@TheCapBerry Not sure what your getting at sir. I do know that personally, I find the message of Love, which Jesus so perfectly demonstrated is magnified and extended beautifully though NOOMA and the work of Rob Bell. He tells us that its not a matter of believing in Jesus and still acting in accord with selfishness and deceit its a matter of walking in faith in the Almighty - such that Gods love may be made manifest though us, as in feeding the poor, living with love and service, like Jesus did
I really loved this Nooma. This is what I got from it:
I believe that his point was about the song. But that the song is God, who is played to everyone.
I believe his main point was that can you hear the song, can you hear God? And to encourage us to be in tune with God by listening to Him and reading His Word and living how Jesus lived.
By listening to Rob Bell, I think of God in new ways. He cites parts of the Bible, sometimes that I had not previously heard. His first video, Rain, helped me understand why suffering exists in the world. In the long history of time, the greater good becomes quite complex, and some pretty scary things can be necessary for it. God used Rob Bell as a vessel to reach me. His teachings may not all be perfect, but this is definitely a Christian man.
Nowadays, there is everywhere a message that seems Christian, but it is not. It is a humanist message, a Christianity without the cross, where sin and its consequences are not told, where what matters is "love", "mercy" and “happiness” above the truth and holiness of God. This does Rob Bell.
But without the Cross, we have no communion with God, neither salvation.
The Bible does not compare God, or relates to God with a song. A song itself has no moral component, while God does, He is Holy.
Rob Bell says that the song (in this case, his concept of God) "is written on our hearts and all play the song." That's not true. God only dwells in the hearts of His children, those who have believed and received Christ as Savior and Lord.
All those virtues of which Rob spoke, also in some way could be found outside Christianity. There are many people who do not have Christ and are "good" people. Hell is full of these people.
He never once mentioned what is really important: that sin is what separates man from God and that only through Christ, God forgives sins.
@ovibent i think at the same time its important to realize maybe that part of Christianity, justification, is not the point of this video. also i think that his point about the song being on all hearts isn't necessarily communicated as that but rather we are all made in the image of God but whether we come to accept and believe is another factor. fyi ive never been to his church
@jbiz1234 I believe that his point was about the song. But that the song is God, who is played to everyone.
I believe his main point was that can you hear the song, can you hear God? And to encourage us to be in tune with God by listening to Him and reading His Word and living how Jesus lived.
When he says those virtues and the people who struggle to have relationship with God he's saying they're in tune with the aspects of God, the things Jesus did. No where does he say that they'll go to heaven but that they've caught on to something, something good, something that some Christians don't have. I think the message itself is not directed towards non-Christians. And who are you to judge someone's (rob bell's) relationship with God?
Rob Bell's false teaching has embraced paganism and merged it into postmodernism, an anti-Christian philosophy teaching the impossibility of absolute truth. He doesn't preach the whole Word of God, he just seems to twist the Bible into an alternate theology. So, you would have to conclude there is nothing Christian about this person.
@summa1129 based on other talks by rob bell i have to completely disagree with the statement of "there is nothing Christian about this person". even if he wasn't thats a HUGE statement to make with tremendous room for error since morality is often confused with Christianity and its an easy mistake to make if he was osteen as one example
The God of Fundamentalistic Christianity is, in my personal opinion, a stupid depiction of God. Rob Bell honestly makes a very valid point that shows what God really is. This is truly an amazing video.
Now, I am pretty sure of everything I typed, and I'm fairly confident I never typed that nor that I believed that. God is love, yes. However, he is not limited to love. He is also a God of wrath and judgement at the same time. He is love in the context of the gospel. For those outside of that context, they must atone for their own sin, as they do not trust on christ's work to save them.
I love these videos. I always end up seeing them or hearing about one when I really need them. God IS real people. I promise. I really do believe in Him
@jesusfreakrkg not necessarily, it is all interpretation, just as long as we are worshiping him and praise him thats all that matters, as long as it is right
true, I don't know your situation, or how (?) you've been hurt. But I do know that no matter WHO (the church is made up of non-perfect people too :P ) or what has hurt you, God always love. Loves you. Hate and God can never mix.
Cheer up, your fearfully and wonderfully made by someone who <3's you :)
If you were describing to someone God, Christianity, and what this means for our lives ... how would you do this? What is the simplist way that allows that person to open their hearts to the idea of a loving God?
How would you describe what Jesus sacrifice for us and what he taught in a way that that person would feel at peace with your answer?
This is a question that takes time and has no definitative answer.
If you were describing to someone God, Christianity, and what this means for our lives ... how would you do this? What is the simplist way that allows that person to open their hearts to the idea of a loving God?
How would you describe what Jesus sacrifice for us and what he taught in a way that that person would feel at peace with your answer?
This is a question that takes time and has no definitative answer.
I answered your question by pointing to the promise that we have in the death and resuurection of Christ and how that through faith brings us into a right relationship with God, and all you could do was put your little thumbs down. So what exactly do you diasagree with?? That God sent Jesus to die for our sins?? Do you disagree that through faith in Christ alone we are brought into a right relationship with God? I am not trying to be snarky I would like to know what you disagree with.
Cleary we have different views of what it means to be a Christian. OK, then fine why not engage in conversation with me? I apologize if anything I wrote offended you. But I also must say that I think your reufasal to engage in conversation with me is not very reflective of the emergent teaching that you embrace. I think Bell would say that you should celebrate the opportunity to be in conversation with someone who doesn't share your assumptions.
So you're not going to respond to my comments you're just going to put your little thumbs down.
As far your question. No definitive answer?? Are you kidding me?? Are you seriously saying that there is no definitive answer to the question of what it means to be a Christian?? Well let's see I could sit here and contemplate my navel, as you seem to suggest or I could, oh I don't know, go to God's Word.
OK I am done reflecting. In Romans 5, Paul writes that we are justified by faith and that gives us peace with God through our Lord Jesus. To be justified to God means to be brought into a right relationship with God. And that through faith we have access to God's grace. He speaks of endurance producing character and character producing hope. He writes that God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit.
And Paul writes of how while we were still weak Christ died for us.
What it means to be a Christian is to recognize that we are sinners on need of forgiveness; but then to repent and believe upon the Lord Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and to receive eternal life. And then to go forth and love and serve our neighbor in joyful response to what has been done fo for us.
Finally, in spite of what Bell might like you to think, or maybe he even believes it, he is not teaching anything revolutionary. He is simply offering up the same enthusiasm-based heresy that the church has been contending with for centuries-long before Bell or Brian McLaren or any of the others came around. It may be packaged a little differently but at the end of the day, it's the same ehthusiasm based heresy.
See the problem with Bell isn't so much what he says, but what he doesn't say. He never quite gets to the Gospel. He may get close sometimes, but I have yet to see him bring it back to forgiveness of sin. He talks about God's love but doesn't really talk about what God's love means for us; the forgiveness of our sin because of the life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. This is what John ultimately breaks God's love down to, both in His Gospel and his first epistle.
Bell and his band of heretics love the beatitudes but they conveniently ignore the passages that come after that where Jesus says that anger against your brother makes one just as guilty as if they had commited murder, or looking with lust upon someone is as bad as actually committing adultery. Bell tries to act so profound by acting like how to be in relationship with Jesus is a mystery, when Jesus makes it perfectly clear; repent and believe upon Him. But to Bell that's putting God is a box.
I said nothing that would indicate that I don't acknowledge that Jesus is love or that He came to save and not to condemn. Quite to the contrary I rejoice over that and acknowledge that the love that Jesus is and brings and the salvation that He brings goes way deeper than Bell's "I'm OK, you're OK" emergent clap-trap. Of course Jesus came to save. What did He come to save from?? Sin, death and the devil. But you don't hear that from Bell because he doesn't want to talk about sin.
Sure, Bell has his version of Jesus as a Mystic/Theosophical Jewish Rabbi that spoke profound things - but Jesus Christ is so much more than that; and shame on you Rob Bell for NOT declaring Him as Lord & Saviour!
Why does Robbie Bell Bell keep acting like we can't know Almighty GOD? John 14:7 clearly has Jesus saying, "If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him" [KJV] The conclusion could be that Little Rob Rob does not know the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Exactly!!!! These emergent teachers can't deal with a God who reveals Himself to us on His terms. They can't deal with sin and redemption and they cant accept that we don't bring God to us, but that God comes to us purely on His terms in the form of His Son Christ Jesus. God is outside of us, but He comes to us from outside of us in His Word. Bell tries to act like he's inspiring people to get closer to God, but the truth is he is just teaching them to run further away from God, to themselves.
What does how many people you can get to disagree with me have to do with anything? I know a lot more than 20 people who would disagree with Bell. But that has nothing to with this. What this is about is Bell distorting fundamental Christian truths and doctrine so he can form God in a way that suits him. You tactic of pointing out that Jesus is love and that He came to save and not to condemn is typical emergent straw-man false-dicohotomy reasoning.
No, thats not a serious error. God has not shown us everything. He has only shown us part of his true creation and himself. We can comprehend some of what he has showed us, but not all of it. If we can barely comprehend some of the things he has shown us, how are we to comprehend what he hasn't shown us?
.....And so Jesus came to show to us how to live in tune with the song, like that He is the way, the truth and the life. It isn't a statement that one religion is better than all the other religions. That's the last thing Jesus came to do is start a new religion.
If anyone reads through the whole transcript or the full video, Rob implies Jesus Christ is not necessary to salvation. That contradicts one of the most important solas of reformation- Salvation by Christ alone. Any religion is fine as long as you are not an atheist!
1) Bell does NOT imply that Christ isn't necessary for salvation in the film.
2) Even if he did, it would not be a new idea--the Jews of the Old Testament had a very simple means of personal salvation without Christ. It comes from the Hebrew word "t'shuvah," meaning "to turn." We would say "repent." Throughout the prophets, all the Jews had to do was "turn" to God to be saved, redeemed, restored, and made whole. It's in the Bible.
You are right on in your assessment. You can see clearly bro. It is very scary the stuff that he is saying. Many good teachers are missing these points and using Bell's stuff.
PRAY FOR THEM AND KEEP SHOWING THEM WHAT HE IS SAYING.
Video Transcript Part 1a: There have always been people say there is no song but deny the music. But the song keeps playing. And so Jesus came to show to us how to live in tune with the song, like that He is the way, the truth and the life. It isn't a statement that one religion is better than all the other religions. That's the last thing Jesus came to do is start a new religion.
Part 1b: He came to show us reality at it's raw. He came to show us how things are. Jesus is like God taking on flesh and blood and so in his generosity and his compassion; that's what God's like. He is telling us the truth. That's what God's like, telling us the truth, forgiveness, sacrifice.
Part 2: That's what God's like. That's who God is. That's how the song goes. Some people know all sorts of stuff about music. They know about pitch, mode, key, and instruments. They can hear things may be other people don't. They hear subtlety and nuance may be other people don't. They appreciate things that other people miss. They also could be so caught up in the technical aspects of the song that you miss the simple pure enjoyment of the song.
Part 3: There are people who talk as if they know everything about being a Christian. They can seem to way out of tune. And there are others they don't know much about the Christian faith and they can seem very in tune with the song. I have met lots of people who struggle with what it means to have a relationship with God, but they haven't lost faith in love, and hope, truth, compassion, justice, and generosity.
Video transcript: Part 4: You may be have this sense that you don't have this relationship with God because of all these things you have been told about what it is and what it isn't. Infinite, massive, invisible God. That's kind of hard to get our minds around. But truth, love, grace, mercy, justice, compassion. The way that Jesus lived. I can see that. I can understand that. I can relate to that. I can play that song.
How sad is it, that if the disciples, pre-Jesus, showed up on the world today, that most churches folks would avoid them? The church needs to wake up. I am glad someone is doing it, aren't you?
This is why we struggle with living for GOD all the time -- because we build our God-view as an "old man with a white beard," using words like "cometh" and "goeth." What this video is reminding us is that God IS. He is not a God of the past, but a God of TODAY. God's will is in motion NOW. My job is to chose to be "in tune" with the melody of his plan.
Have anyone stopped to consider that the audience for which this video was intended was not "unsaved souls," but for Christians wanting to develop a deeper understanding of God? Last I checked words like "cometh" don't register with most Christians.
Because Mr. Bell never preaches the Word of God. At least not in this video. All he has to do is quote more scripture in his talks and preach it with real conviction. Then at least the word of God has a chance to penetrate the hearts and minds of those who are spiritually dead.
You've obviously never listened to Bell's preaching. This is a man who is spending Sunday gatherings at their church going through Phillipians verse by verse. Exegesis every Sunday...and its not the first time he's done it. Stop assuming. It's tiresome and destructive to the Body.
The point being made by jesusfreakrkg is that "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." And right now I'm not hearing the word of God coming out of Mr. Bell's mouth. If an unsaved soul comes across this video would he/she be convicted of their sins? Would they be moved to repent and turn to Christ? Not likely.
I think its funny cuz people on here who say they are Christian are judging and saying he wrong, but how is that Christian of you. Im sry but I have to agree with Rob Bell, his videos are amazing and true. and if you dont agree, maybe you should read the bible more or something. idk Im not trying to be mean, cuz thats not the way. but still, just dont say anything if all it is, is negative thoughts.
hey! im new 2 dis argument so would some1 please care 2 explain why Rob is from satan?iv seen alot of his stuff, and The Lord has spoken 2 me through them...so how is this wrong??
whats the problem with "new age" Christianity. Following Jesus is following Jesus. There shouldn't be any two ways about it. The fact that nowadays many Christians choose to worship and learn about God Via the media shouldn't affect a thing. its just like how Jesus spoke using parables, because people of his time were often agricultural workers, so he spoke using imagery of sowing seeds for example. Its just the same
if you study some of the "emerging church" which the Nooma project is apart of the say that God didnt know the fall of man would happen and that once it did He had to put a plan in place the sacrifice of Jesus to redeem sinners, basicaly they dont believe he is all knowing, so no matter who is teaching or preaching and no matter how much you like or dislike them match what they say up with scripture
fyi... i saw the video many times in full. i see nothing about grace in the video. just about how "people may not know the song but always sing" what does this mean? that they do not know Christ, yet they are doing what God would want them to do? Is singing the song worshiping God? How does an unregenerate worship God? Does this mean that those who don't know the song will go to Heaven? Is the song God, or the relationship with God? or something else? It makes NO logical sense.
the Torah was about law... but also about showing that we cannot be saved by the law-- only by God's atoning sacrifice for his chosen people saves. As "a way to live?" hmmm... so there are other ways that are valid? I would have at least said "the way." True, faith without works is dead... but the works come as a result of the faith, not to further the faith nor is our faith as a result of works. By the way... all other ways ARE wrong. John 14:6. you use scripture much friend?
Along with Dust and Breathe, this is one of my favorite Noomas. There is a lot of propaganda out there that tells people to ignore and hate Rob without really listening to what he's saying. When you see the sort of thing he and his Church are doing, you can't deny that God is with them. You just can't. When you see the hungry fed and oppressed cared for you just know that they are in tune with God.
so Hindus and Muslims and Buddhists who are feeing the hungry and "carring" for the oppressed, they are living 'in tune with God'? LOL!! that's rich. how about they are enemies of God? Romans 5:10. Someone living in his sinful nature cannot be 'in tune with God' by being a "good person." Romans 3:9-20
Firstly, you are taking those verses out of context. Rms3:9-20 is part of a discourse on weather or not you should be boastful or arrogant in your faith. Rms5:10 is part of a discussion on original sin. You know, it is possible for those who don't believe in God to actually do something that is right. Paul even says that it people without the Torah often do things required by the Torah. It IS possible for someone who doesn't call themselves a Christian to do something Christ-like.
who cares if they do? it doesn't save them. Galatians 2:21... or am i taking that text out of context too? (sarcasm) they are sinners bound to sin. saying they are "in tune with God," whatever the crap that means, implies God approves of them and does not have a problem with them or their lifestyle. works don't save man joel.
I'm not saying that works save; I'm just saying that it IS possible for people to do the right thing from time to time. To dismiss everything everyone else says as wrong is just foolish and silly. If Christians go around saying 'I'm saved, I don't have to do anything' then they have abolished the Torah, as the Rabbis say. God didn't give the Torah for Salvation, but as a WAY to live. It was the sacrifices that made atonement; the rest of the Torah was about LIVING in God's rule and reign
according to the nut bell? yeah. i hope that was sarcastic though... being a christian is not about doing "good things" that is salvation by works. it is about being made right with God and witnessing to others about how they are SINNERS and need to be saved from SIN, not only saved from Hell (though that is true) or saved to make this your BEST LIFE NOW or to live with "purpose" blah on the "modern gospel" the emergents and "evangelicals" have created... Galatians 1:6-9
i think wat fresh soup is sayin is not the how hindus/ muslims do better deeds than Christians sometimes but rather how some people take the title of being a Christian but really dont care, if u watched the full version of this video, youd see what he was tryin to say
that is the nature of emergent. crap. they take a poor view of scripture and mix in anything they can to meet people's "felt needs" and present a social gospel that is contrary to what Jesus taught. They deny absolute truth and are fixated on "the ultimate reality." crap.
If God is not like a song, then why is the Torah a poem? A lot of the Biblical writings are poems or songs. God is so massive and beyond what we can see and perceive that the writers of the Bible had to use what they had to convey this being to people. What is more beautiful? A poem or a cold account? Rob is looking at the ancient view that to think of God requires our full creativity. If we think of living in tune with God then we are thinking in the same way that the writers of the Bible were
Roby is looking at God in a way that is a mockery on the Word. if we take away the cool camera angles and filters and hypnotic melodic music and hot girl playing guitar on the stage... what he's saying LITERALLY makes NO sense whatsoever. Saying there is "God's reality" and then there are other realities...what is that? Oh yeah... Hinduism. Everything that is not atman is maya. Just another example of the Emergent blending YHWH worship with Baal...I mean Brahman...
If Rob is making a mockery of the world, then so is the book of Genesis.
Rob uses 'reality' to try to express more 'point of view' you might say. There is how God sees things and how God intended things to be, and then there is how humans see things and want things. Just saying that another religion does something similar doesn't make it automatically wrong. Paul, in the Bible, quotes from Greek and Cretan Prophets, people who don't even believe in God, yet he says that what they said was true
Awesome video... You really need to watch it twice tho, First time i watched i was incredibly distracted by the soundtrack and the instrumentalists- The song is Moonlight Instrumental by David Vandervelde if your interested
Pause at 1:58 and read. Explains the overall theme for this thought-provoking short.
4ourty5ive 2 months ago
Great video.
theNCGstudios 8 months ago 3
Such a high quality teacher
cheshirealleycat 1 year ago
@cheshirealleycat
no love for Carl Sagan.........
TheCapBerry 3 months ago
@TheCapBerry Not sure what your getting at sir. I do know that personally, I find the message of Love, which Jesus so perfectly demonstrated is magnified and extended beautifully though NOOMA and the work of Rob Bell. He tells us that its not a matter of believing in Jesus and still acting in accord with selfishness and deceit its a matter of walking in faith in the Almighty - such that Gods love may be made manifest though us, as in feeding the poor, living with love and service, like Jesus did
cheshirealleycat 3 months ago
I really loved this Nooma. This is what I got from it:
I believe that his point was about the song. But that the song is God, who is played to everyone.
I believe his main point was that can you hear the song, can you hear God? And to encourage us to be in tune with God by listening to Him and reading His Word and living how Jesus lived.
liljojjopeppi 1 year ago
By listening to Rob Bell, I think of God in new ways. He cites parts of the Bible, sometimes that I had not previously heard. His first video, Rain, helped me understand why suffering exists in the world. In the long history of time, the greater good becomes quite complex, and some pretty scary things can be necessary for it. God used Rob Bell as a vessel to reach me. His teachings may not all be perfect, but this is definitely a Christian man.
mh6571 1 year ago
Nowadays, there is everywhere a message that seems Christian, but it is not. It is a humanist message, a Christianity without the cross, where sin and its consequences are not told, where what matters is "love", "mercy" and “happiness” above the truth and holiness of God. This does Rob Bell.
But without the Cross, we have no communion with God, neither salvation.
caromi07 1 year ago
The Bible does not compare God, or relates to God with a song. A song itself has no moral component, while God does, He is Holy.
Rob Bell says that the song (in this case, his concept of God) "is written on our hearts and all play the song." That's not true. God only dwells in the hearts of His children, those who have believed and received Christ as Savior and Lord.
ovibent 1 year ago
All those virtues of which Rob spoke, also in some way could be found outside Christianity. There are many people who do not have Christ and are "good" people. Hell is full of these people.
He never once mentioned what is really important: that sin is what separates man from God and that only through Christ, God forgives sins.
Rob Bell is simply a humanist.
ovibent 1 year ago
@ovibent i think at the same time its important to realize maybe that part of Christianity, justification, is not the point of this video. also i think that his point about the song being on all hearts isn't necessarily communicated as that but rather we are all made in the image of God but whether we come to accept and believe is another factor. fyi ive never been to his church
jbiz1234 1 year ago
@jbiz1234 I believe that his point was about the song. But that the song is God, who is played to everyone.
I believe his main point was that can you hear the song, can you hear God? And to encourage us to be in tune with God by listening to Him and reading His Word and living how Jesus lived.
liljojjopeppi 1 year ago
@ovibent Who are you to judge someone's relationship with God?
liljojjopeppi 1 year ago
@ovibent
When he says those virtues and the people who struggle to have relationship with God he's saying they're in tune with the aspects of God, the things Jesus did. No where does he say that they'll go to heaven but that they've caught on to something, something good, something that some Christians don't have. I think the message itself is not directed towards non-Christians. And who are you to judge someone's (rob bell's) relationship with God?
liljojjopeppi 1 year ago
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caromi07 1 year ago
Rob Bell's false teaching has embraced paganism and merged it into postmodernism, an anti-Christian philosophy teaching the impossibility of absolute truth. He doesn't preach the whole Word of God, he just seems to twist the Bible into an alternate theology. So, you would have to conclude there is nothing Christian about this person.
summa1129 1 year ago
@summa1129 This is absolutly true
caromi07 1 year ago
@summa1129 based on other talks by rob bell i have to completely disagree with the statement of "there is nothing Christian about this person". even if he wasn't thats a HUGE statement to make with tremendous room for error since morality is often confused with Christianity and its an easy mistake to make if he was osteen as one example
jbiz1234 1 year ago
this song is awesome.....i can play the piano like that....
aznkent29 1 year ago
The God of Fundamentalistic Christianity is, in my personal opinion, a stupid depiction of God. Rob Bell honestly makes a very valid point that shows what God really is. This is truly an amazing video.
AscendantJustice1308 2 years ago
i love rob bell
ajmandii 2 years ago 7
Now, I am pretty sure of everything I typed, and I'm fairly confident I never typed that nor that I believed that. God is love, yes. However, he is not limited to love. He is also a God of wrath and judgement at the same time. He is love in the context of the gospel. For those outside of that context, they must atone for their own sin, as they do not trust on christ's work to save them.
jesusfreakrkg 2 years ago
I love these videos. I always end up seeing them or hearing about one when I really need them. God IS real people. I promise. I really do believe in Him
iloveronweasley09 2 years ago
God is real. Sadly, the god who is depicted by Bell's theology is not the God revealed in Scripture.
jesusfreakrkg 2 years ago
@jesusfreakrkg not necessarily, it is all interpretation, just as long as we are worshiping him and praise him thats all that matters, as long as it is right
Spartanfanatic 1 year ago
What you just said about one human life is not proven concept actually nothing more than dogma:-))))) so what is this you talk about ?hahaha!
redzisan 2 years ago
Rob Bell's Stupid theology!
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
just because you don't understand it
you call it stupid. ask yourself what is stupid meditate with it?
redzisan 2 years ago
What is the song name?
donovanrules123123 2 years ago
@donovanrules123123 moonlight instrumental by david vandervelde. he also did the song at the end of the rob bell trees video
hippiehippiehoorah1 1 year ago
i've seen this... and it is not the faith of the Apostle Paul, Peter, or the early church.
jesusfreakrkg 2 years ago
Idk why people are thumbs'ing jesusfreakrkg down. He made a valid point. This is an Evangelistic perspective of the Christian faith.
DefineDeath090 2 years ago
but god hate me ::(
DCSBOY01 2 years ago
lies
Guitarking40 2 years ago
you dont understand i lost my rel with god
DCSBOY01 2 years ago
true, I don't know your situation, or how (?) you've been hurt. But I do know that no matter WHO (the church is made up of non-perfect people too :P ) or what has hurt you, God always love. Loves you. Hate and God can never mix.
Cheer up, your fearfully and wonderfully made by someone who <3's you :)
Guitarking40 2 years ago
but i have gotin some of it back
DCSBOY01 2 years ago
To all Christians
If you were describing to someone God, Christianity, and what this means for our lives ... how would you do this? What is the simplist way that allows that person to open their hearts to the idea of a loving God?
How would you describe what Jesus sacrifice for us and what he taught in a way that that person would feel at peace with your answer?
This is a question that takes time and has no definitative answer.
Musicpuzzle 2 years ago
To all Christians
If you were describing to someone God, Christianity, and what this means for our lives ... how would you do this? What is the simplist way that allows that person to open their hearts to the idea of a loving God?
How would you describe what Jesus sacrifice for us and what he taught in a way that that person would feel at peace with your answer?
This is a question that takes time and has no definitative answer.
Musicpuzzle 2 years ago
I answered your question by pointing to the promise that we have in the death and resuurection of Christ and how that through faith brings us into a right relationship with God, and all you could do was put your little thumbs down. So what exactly do you diasagree with?? That God sent Jesus to die for our sins?? Do you disagree that through faith in Christ alone we are brought into a right relationship with God? I am not trying to be snarky I would like to know what you disagree with.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
Cleary we have different views of what it means to be a Christian. OK, then fine why not engage in conversation with me? I apologize if anything I wrote offended you. But I also must say that I think your reufasal to engage in conversation with me is not very reflective of the emergent teaching that you embrace. I think Bell would say that you should celebrate the opportunity to be in conversation with someone who doesn't share your assumptions.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
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Musicpuzzle 2 years ago
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Musicpuzzle 2 years ago
So you're not going to respond to my comments you're just going to put your little thumbs down.
As far your question. No definitive answer?? Are you kidding me?? Are you seriously saying that there is no definitive answer to the question of what it means to be a Christian?? Well let's see I could sit here and contemplate my navel, as you seem to suggest or I could, oh I don't know, go to God's Word.
Well let me reflect on this.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
OK I am done reflecting. In Romans 5, Paul writes that we are justified by faith and that gives us peace with God through our Lord Jesus. To be justified to God means to be brought into a right relationship with God. And that through faith we have access to God's grace. He speaks of endurance producing character and character producing hope. He writes that God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit.
And Paul writes of how while we were still weak Christ died for us.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
What it means to be a Christian is to recognize that we are sinners on need of forgiveness; but then to repent and believe upon the Lord Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and to receive eternal life. And then to go forth and love and serve our neighbor in joyful response to what has been done fo for us.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
Finally, in spite of what Bell might like you to think, or maybe he even believes it, he is not teaching anything revolutionary. He is simply offering up the same enthusiasm-based heresy that the church has been contending with for centuries-long before Bell or Brian McLaren or any of the others came around. It may be packaged a little differently but at the end of the day, it's the same ehthusiasm based heresy.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
See the problem with Bell isn't so much what he says, but what he doesn't say. He never quite gets to the Gospel. He may get close sometimes, but I have yet to see him bring it back to forgiveness of sin. He talks about God's love but doesn't really talk about what God's love means for us; the forgiveness of our sin because of the life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. This is what John ultimately breaks God's love down to, both in His Gospel and his first epistle.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
Bell and his band of heretics love the beatitudes but they conveniently ignore the passages that come after that where Jesus says that anger against your brother makes one just as guilty as if they had commited murder, or looking with lust upon someone is as bad as actually committing adultery. Bell tries to act so profound by acting like how to be in relationship with Jesus is a mystery, when Jesus makes it perfectly clear; repent and believe upon Him. But to Bell that's putting God is a box.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
I said nothing that would indicate that I don't acknowledge that Jesus is love or that He came to save and not to condemn. Quite to the contrary I rejoice over that and acknowledge that the love that Jesus is and brings and the salvation that He brings goes way deeper than Bell's "I'm OK, you're OK" emergent clap-trap. Of course Jesus came to save. What did He come to save from?? Sin, death and the devil. But you don't hear that from Bell because he doesn't want to talk about sin.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
beautiful!
cristinamejia 2 years ago
can someone tell me what this song is called please?? thanks :]
AshesIN4beauty 2 years ago
I completely agree. I was frustrated because it wasn't the whole thing.
chaynsaw21 3 years ago
true
ryourhm 3 years ago
Sure, Bell has his version of Jesus as a Mystic/Theosophical Jewish Rabbi that spoke profound things - but Jesus Christ is so much more than that; and shame on you Rob Bell for NOT declaring Him as Lord & Saviour!
pockmarkedbuttocks 3 years ago
Why does Robbie Bell Bell keep acting like we can't know Almighty GOD? John 14:7 clearly has Jesus saying, "If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him" [KJV] The conclusion could be that Little Rob Rob does not know the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
pockmarkedbuttocks 3 years ago
Exactly!!!! These emergent teachers can't deal with a God who reveals Himself to us on His terms. They can't deal with sin and redemption and they cant accept that we don't bring God to us, but that God comes to us purely on His terms in the form of His Son Christ Jesus. God is outside of us, but He comes to us from outside of us in His Word. Bell tries to act like he's inspiring people to get closer to God, but the truth is he is just teaching them to run further away from God, to themselves.
MackLeeGreen 3 years ago
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Musicpuzzle 2 years ago
What does how many people you can get to disagree with me have to do with anything? I know a lot more than 20 people who would disagree with Bell. But that has nothing to with this. What this is about is Bell distorting fundamental Christian truths and doctrine so he can form God in a way that suits him. You tactic of pointing out that Jesus is love and that He came to save and not to condemn is typical emergent straw-man false-dicohotomy reasoning.
MackLeeGreen 2 years ago
we watch this in class 2day!! amazing!
SierraSyd08 3 years ago
livinfree 123, If we could understand God himself, he wouldn't BE God.
4ourty5ive 3 years ago
These videos make things clear to me and they all really make sense!
nate2000111 3 years ago
No, thats not a serious error. God has not shown us everything. He has only shown us part of his true creation and himself. We can comprehend some of what he has showed us, but not all of it. If we can barely comprehend some of the things he has shown us, how are we to comprehend what he hasn't shown us?
homievader 3 years ago
Remember this is only a portion of the whole video. He later goes on and explains how a true relationship with God and Christ is made.
ablass19 3 years ago
Not only is Bell a heretic but his voice gets SO enjoying after a while!
centeredonchrist 3 years ago
Here is what Bell says in this video;
1 The writers of the Bible were more interested in talking about what God is not that He exists - wrong!
2 - God didnt come to the earth to say that one religion is better then the other - wrong
3 Jesus was like God - wrong - He is!
4 People who no little about Christianity are more in tune because they do good things - wrong
5 - Every one is playing the same song. - Wrong - Even the Serpent can appear as an Angel of Light.
blessttube 3 years ago
I love the music. Where can I find it besides iTunes?
Aadj00705 3 years ago
I love his guy, he is so cool!!! :)
pepperonipizza101 3 years ago
i love listening to this guy. he so easy to listen to and understand.
fallenangel9 3 years ago
.....And so Jesus came to show to us how to live in tune with the song, like that He is the way, the truth and the life. It isn't a statement that one religion is better than all the other religions. That's the last thing Jesus came to do is start a new religion.
satish2k2 4 years ago
If anyone reads through the whole transcript or the full video, Rob implies Jesus Christ is not necessary to salvation. That contradicts one of the most important solas of reformation- Salvation by Christ alone. Any religion is fine as long as you are not an atheist!
satish2k2 4 years ago
1) Bell does NOT imply that Christ isn't necessary for salvation in the film.
2) Even if he did, it would not be a new idea--the Jews of the Old Testament had a very simple means of personal salvation without Christ. It comes from the Hebrew word "t'shuvah," meaning "to turn." We would say "repent." Throughout the prophets, all the Jews had to do was "turn" to God to be saved, redeemed, restored, and made whole. It's in the Bible.
theycallmeju 4 years ago
You are right on in your assessment. You can see clearly bro. It is very scary the stuff that he is saying. Many good teachers are missing these points and using Bell's stuff.
PRAY FOR THEM AND KEEP SHOWING THEM WHAT HE IS SAYING.
blessttube 3 years ago
hey i watched this at hebron
davidwoo9194 4 years ago
i like this vid... i watched it in church... i also watched the one about silence.. cool stuff... btw.. wads the name of the song?
ianttyang 4 years ago
Moonlight instrumental by David Vandervelde
satish2k2 4 years ago
thanks :D
ianttyang 4 years ago
Video Transcript Part 1a: There have always been people say there is no song but deny the music. But the song keeps playing. And so Jesus came to show to us how to live in tune with the song, like that He is the way, the truth and the life. It isn't a statement that one religion is better than all the other religions. That's the last thing Jesus came to do is start a new religion.
telugu2k3 4 years ago
Part 1b: He came to show us reality at it's raw. He came to show us how things are. Jesus is like God taking on flesh and blood and so in his generosity and his compassion; that's what God's like. He is telling us the truth. That's what God's like, telling us the truth, forgiveness, sacrifice.
telugu2k3 4 years ago
Part 2: That's what God's like. That's who God is. That's how the song goes. Some people know all sorts of stuff about music. They know about pitch, mode, key, and instruments. They can hear things may be other people don't. They hear subtlety and nuance may be other people don't. They appreciate things that other people miss. They also could be so caught up in the technical aspects of the song that you miss the simple pure enjoyment of the song.
telugu2k3 4 years ago
Part 3: There are people who talk as if they know everything about being a Christian. They can seem to way out of tune. And there are others they don't know much about the Christian faith and they can seem very in tune with the song. I have met lots of people who struggle with what it means to have a relationship with God, but they haven't lost faith in love, and hope, truth, compassion, justice, and generosity.
telugu2k3 4 years ago
Video transcript: Part 4: You may be have this sense that you don't have this relationship with God because of all these things you have been told about what it is and what it isn't. Infinite, massive, invisible God. That's kind of hard to get our minds around. But truth, love, grace, mercy, justice, compassion. The way that Jesus lived. I can see that. I can understand that. I can relate to that. I can play that song.
telugu2k3 4 years ago
How sad is it, that if the disciples, pre-Jesus, showed up on the world today, that most churches folks would avoid them? The church needs to wake up. I am glad someone is doing it, aren't you?
salty320th 4 years ago
WHATS THE NAME OF THE DAM SONG !!!!
kloop2 4 years ago
This is why we struggle with living for GOD all the time -- because we build our God-view as an "old man with a white beard," using words like "cometh" and "goeth." What this video is reminding us is that God IS. He is not a God of the past, but a God of TODAY. God's will is in motion NOW. My job is to chose to be "in tune" with the melody of his plan.
bsc02a 4 years ago
Have anyone stopped to consider that the audience for which this video was intended was not "unsaved souls," but for Christians wanting to develop a deeper understanding of God? Last I checked words like "cometh" don't register with most Christians.
bsc02a 4 years ago
Because Mr. Bell never preaches the Word of God. At least not in this video. All he has to do is quote more scripture in his talks and preach it with real conviction. Then at least the word of God has a chance to penetrate the hearts and minds of those who are spiritually dead.
RemyCT63 4 years ago
You've obviously never listened to Bell's preaching. This is a man who is spending Sunday gatherings at their church going through Phillipians verse by verse. Exegesis every Sunday...and its not the first time he's done it. Stop assuming. It's tiresome and destructive to the Body.
incorruptablecrown 3 years ago
The point being made by jesusfreakrkg is that "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." And right now I'm not hearing the word of God coming out of Mr. Bell's mouth. If an unsaved soul comes across this video would he/she be convicted of their sins? Would they be moved to repent and turn to Christ? Not likely.
RemyCT63 4 years ago
whats the name of the song in the background??
kloop2 4 years ago
Anyone know where i can find a track of the background music by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra?
INURSHADOW 4 years ago
You can find the song on iTunes - it's called Moonlight (Instrumental) by David Vandervelde.
amo1o1n 4 years ago
I think its funny cuz people on here who say they are Christian are judging and saying he wrong, but how is that Christian of you. Im sry but I have to agree with Rob Bell, his videos are amazing and true. and if you dont agree, maybe you should read the bible more or something. idk Im not trying to be mean, cuz thats not the way. but still, just dont say anything if all it is, is negative thoughts.
julieannethomas 4 years ago
hey! im new 2 dis argument so would some1 please care 2 explain why Rob is from satan?iv seen alot of his stuff, and The Lord has spoken 2 me through them...so how is this wrong??
superpigeontrading07 4 years ago
moonlight instrumental :)
you were almost right
FreshSoup 4 years ago
nooma's good for like college age people. my youth group has a video program called YOUTHBYTES. it's kewl
kriftinkrain 4 years ago
i belive in god
ilovecolesprouse777 4 years ago
whats the problem with "new age" Christianity. Following Jesus is following Jesus. There shouldn't be any two ways about it. The fact that nowadays many Christians choose to worship and learn about God Via the media shouldn't affect a thing. its just like how Jesus spoke using parables, because people of his time were often agricultural workers, so he spoke using imagery of sowing seeds for example. Its just the same
dannypp1 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
new age infiltrating Christianity sucks. at least i know the true church will remain faithful.
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
Does anyone know where to get this song/if they went further and recorded it?
Phantompork 4 years ago
if you study some of the "emerging church" which the Nooma project is apart of the say that God didnt know the fall of man would happen and that once it did He had to put a plan in place the sacrifice of Jesus to redeem sinners, basicaly they dont believe he is all knowing, so no matter who is teaching or preaching and no matter how much you like or dislike them match what they say up with scripture
jdcs1528 4 years ago 2
fyi... i saw the video many times in full. i see nothing about grace in the video. just about how "people may not know the song but always sing" what does this mean? that they do not know Christ, yet they are doing what God would want them to do? Is singing the song worshiping God? How does an unregenerate worship God? Does this mean that those who don't know the song will go to Heaven? Is the song God, or the relationship with God? or something else? It makes NO logical sense.
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
"people may not know the song but always sing..." he is saying that God is there for those people, but they do not recognize him for who he is.
macronaria 4 years ago
this one is my favorite nooma video...♥
IchigoKisu4077 4 years ago
the Torah was about law... but also about showing that we cannot be saved by the law-- only by God's atoning sacrifice for his chosen people saves. As "a way to live?" hmmm... so there are other ways that are valid? I would have at least said "the way." True, faith without works is dead... but the works come as a result of the faith, not to further the faith nor is our faith as a result of works. By the way... all other ways ARE wrong. John 14:6. you use scripture much friend?
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
Along with Dust and Breathe, this is one of my favorite Noomas. There is a lot of propaganda out there that tells people to ignore and hate Rob without really listening to what he's saying. When you see the sort of thing he and his Church are doing, you can't deny that God is with them. You just can't. When you see the hungry fed and oppressed cared for you just know that they are in tune with God.
JoelCornah 4 years ago
so Hindus and Muslims and Buddhists who are feeing the hungry and "carring" for the oppressed, they are living 'in tune with God'? LOL!! that's rich. how about they are enemies of God? Romans 5:10. Someone living in his sinful nature cannot be 'in tune with God' by being a "good person." Romans 3:9-20
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
Firstly, you are taking those verses out of context. Rms3:9-20 is part of a discourse on weather or not you should be boastful or arrogant in your faith. Rms5:10 is part of a discussion on original sin. You know, it is possible for those who don't believe in God to actually do something that is right. Paul even says that it people without the Torah often do things required by the Torah. It IS possible for someone who doesn't call themselves a Christian to do something Christ-like.
JoelCornah 4 years ago
who cares if they do? it doesn't save them. Galatians 2:21... or am i taking that text out of context too? (sarcasm) they are sinners bound to sin. saying they are "in tune with God," whatever the crap that means, implies God approves of them and does not have a problem with them or their lifestyle. works don't save man joel.
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
I'm not saying that works save; I'm just saying that it IS possible for people to do the right thing from time to time. To dismiss everything everyone else says as wrong is just foolish and silly. If Christians go around saying 'I'm saved, I don't have to do anything' then they have abolished the Torah, as the Rabbis say. God didn't give the Torah for Salvation, but as a WAY to live. It was the sacrifices that made atonement; the rest of the Torah was about LIVING in God's rule and reign
JoelCornah 4 years ago
There are some Muslims/Hindus who are better Christians than we are.
FreshSoup 4 years ago
according to the nut bell? yeah. i hope that was sarcastic though... being a christian is not about doing "good things" that is salvation by works. it is about being made right with God and witnessing to others about how they are SINNERS and need to be saved from SIN, not only saved from Hell (though that is true) or saved to make this your BEST LIFE NOW or to live with "purpose" blah on the "modern gospel" the emergents and "evangelicals" have created... Galatians 1:6-9
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
i think wat fresh soup is sayin is not the how hindus/ muslims do better deeds than Christians sometimes but rather how some people take the title of being a Christian but really dont care, if u watched the full version of this video, youd see what he was tryin to say
Custard 4 years ago
i have seen the full video... and it is mindless emergent crap.
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
how is it crap
Custard 4 years ago
that is the nature of emergent. crap. they take a poor view of scripture and mix in anything they can to meet people's "felt needs" and present a social gospel that is contrary to what Jesus taught. They deny absolute truth and are fixated on "the ultimate reality." crap.
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
He is preaching another gospel. It is NOT one that will save.
randyl74 4 years ago
this man promotes a gospel apart from what Christ proclaimed.
God is NOT A SONG! This man is a lunatic... "the depth of reality"??? this man does not know scripture.
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
If God is not like a song, then why is the Torah a poem? A lot of the Biblical writings are poems or songs. God is so massive and beyond what we can see and perceive that the writers of the Bible had to use what they had to convey this being to people. What is more beautiful? A poem or a cold account? Rob is looking at the ancient view that to think of God requires our full creativity. If we think of living in tune with God then we are thinking in the same way that the writers of the Bible were
JoelCornah 4 years ago
Roby is looking at God in a way that is a mockery on the Word. if we take away the cool camera angles and filters and hypnotic melodic music and hot girl playing guitar on the stage... what he's saying LITERALLY makes NO sense whatsoever. Saying there is "God's reality" and then there are other realities...what is that? Oh yeah... Hinduism. Everything that is not atman is maya. Just another example of the Emergent blending YHWH worship with Baal...I mean Brahman...
jesusfreakrkg 4 years ago
If Rob is making a mockery of the world, then so is the book of Genesis.
Rob uses 'reality' to try to express more 'point of view' you might say. There is how God sees things and how God intended things to be, and then there is how humans see things and want things. Just saying that another religion does something similar doesn't make it automatically wrong. Paul, in the Bible, quotes from Greek and Cretan Prophets, people who don't even believe in God, yet he says that what they said was true
JoelCornah 4 years ago
It does not say he is a song, but that he is like one. Besides its a METAPHOR, a comparison. He isn't literally saying God is a song.
macronaria 4 years ago
i love his videos so awesome
vinnyscoolname 4 years ago
Awesome video... You really need to watch it twice tho, First time i watched i was incredibly distracted by the soundtrack and the instrumentalists- The song is Moonlight Instrumental by David Vandervelde if your interested
rawplug89 4 years ago
yeh i love it, except all his other songs are totally different
kerodean 4 years ago
Hey thanx! I've always wondered what song that was.
eclipsetank 4 years ago
I love this sermon. This man knows what to say.
MissWhatever99 4 years ago