#53 Working HHO vacuum pump!

[heycolslaw]

I understand that you take the stress off the engine by implosion( the principal of vacuum) better now that you explained it,zero! You are a treasure, my friend!

[pv544in1964]

You should NOT put your finger over the output of an air compressor! It is possible to inject air into your finger and get an air embolism. People have actually died from this sort of thing!

[ApostleRon]

I have a video warning against useing inline check valves to prevent flash return to the hydrogen. I made a hose with 3 in-line ball bearing check valves and still blew up my quart jar. Only things I found to work so far are a cigarette filter and inline water stone for a fish tank Careful.

[justazoo81]

Have you considered using an air conditioner pump? Most vehicles, whether equipped with ac or not, will factory location to mount the pump and they can produce quite a bit of vacuum.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I did but found it unnecessary. This pump allowed me to conduct the testing I needed. No need to go further in the wrong direction.

[lpo146]

I would like to know how i could get ahold of you via email, because i have some questions that I would like to have answered and also how I could adapt one of these systems to my 1966 buick Skylark GS 455 stage 1 haha i think im going to need a few cells for that bad boy haha!

[veryfuck]

what is HHO? i would really want to know what you are working on,

you explain very well.

[getagiftnow]

you may already know, but i will say it anyway. It is dangerous to blow any air onto your skin! Let alone plug a high pressure outlet with any part of your body. Air can be blown into your blood and you will suffer a heartattack. It is what it is, just a friendly reminder.

[samoht1977]

what you said is true, but you need INCREDIBLY high pressures to acheive the effect you described before (air passing into your blood through your skin).

[Masterfixalot]

To test the thing, I simply placed the wire on top of the double sided tape and pushed. Contact remained pretty constant. But I prefer something more solid when hooking it up for good. The third Vid shows how I hooked them up proper.

[Masterfixalot]

Don't sweat the idiots ZF, I've had a few emails of the same kind myself. We're all gonna crack it wide open Brother, so keep pluggin along and sharin the info. Check out my Platters and see what you think. Comments from you would be welcome. JW.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I did. How the hell did you attach the wires?

[TurboD16z6]

keep up the good work... i'm learning and working on my hho cell

[lanker45]

Hello All. I really enjoyed the reply that 4freengr left Zero.F.F., in hes/its complete knowledge on the subject of HHO production, he seems to point out errors to try and belittle others w/his superior knowledge. Yet, he doesn't even have the class in his ass to try and even put forth any positive remarks on the subject. Of course you know this dude only joined 2/24/08 with no other posts of his own. Now it seems to me, this Fuck Head is employed by Big Oil which bla bla bla Keep Up Good Work

[ZeroFossilFuel]

ROFLMAO!!! Okay, now that the tears of laughter are wiped from my eyes, Thanks for that. :-)

[IdiotSlapper]

Um... Your engine is a vacuum pump...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Um... Yes, I know. The point of this experiment was to create a controlled environment and find out if I should be feeding HHO before or after the plenum butterfly valve. Please finish watching the series before making premature and idiotic comments.

[4freenrg]

Nice! An uppity moron. Here is your first clue, you are producing H2O2 not HHO. If you had even a slight grasp on reality you would know that.

Not going to teach you how it is done but you are like most Meyer followers, clueless.

Lastly, the notion that anyone would "watch the series" is laughable. You fell for the counter intel aspect of the Meyer saga. It is called poisoning the well and you not only drank the water, you serve it to others. A useful idiot if there ever was one

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Thanks. Not sure about the H2O2 statement though. That's the formula for hydrogen peroxide.

What actually happens is if x density of HHO is produced at atmospheric, 1/2x density is produced at 1/2atm but looks like 2x the volume. Same amount of molecules. It just comes off the plates more violently.

Conversely, if HHO is allowed to build pressure within a cell it looks like less but the number of molecules produced is also the same but looks like less because it's compressed and more dense.

[sabriath]

I think 4freenrg was trying to say that "2H2O molecules break into 2H2 and O2 molecules", he slammed them together making 2H2O2 in statement and forgetting to place the proper quotient on the front, revealing the H2O2 relation. What he failed to realize is that the experiment breaks 1 molecule of water at a time, producing H H O, at some point in time all atoms are actually separated before the HH becomes H2, but you can't put H2O because that's water, so you put HHO to denote the difference.

[dougie350]

what you mean is H420*, the star represent the nuclear reaction your trying to describe, working on it myself.

[sabriath]

I said what I meant actually, I'm quick to fix my mistakes if found, but I've read the original from 4freenrg and myself and found none in its entirety. 4freenrg stated "It is H2O2" but H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide (HOOH), if quotiented properly as 2H2 + O2 and smashed together as 2H2O2 (without +) and forgetting the quotient, you get H2O2 improperly. H420...that's not even a chemical, maybe a pothead term though (420). Good try though.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

LOL! Excellent comment.

[lozory]

very interested in this because i have seen some here on youtube look like getting great results applying a vacuum to their HHO generator. but you reckon thats just the same number of molecules expanded?

buti thought that hydrogen is unable to be compressed very much?

do you know if anyone has done any mpg tests to prove a difference with or without vacuum?

[gnatsum64]

And they say Hydrogen cars are impossible. Ha!!! I don't believe it for one second. Keep up the work. I have been experimenting a little too, but I don't have any vids and I'm not as far along as you are, but gas just hit $3.50gal so I think it's time to hit the garage.

[beaumec242]

what's the purpose of all of this if you can't run your car on water.

You should give up because all your vids are just blablabla,just talking.

Don't take it seriously,i wrote this few lines under, well, heavy shit.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

The end game *IS* to run a car on water! You are an asshole. No more posts from you here.

[mygor]

You could try a propane canister (1LB) harbor freight sell a tank refill coupler called MacCoupler that you may be able to convert for use with this.

[matt9741399]

Please don't give yourself an air embolism! It made me cringe when you put your finger over the air outlet.

[christiandusk]

Good tip for driving your vacuum pump. Ive tried the same and its works great releasing much more hydrogen.

Try to wath the Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor here in Youtube. Its a electric motor using very little amps and not using more amps when working hard.

[heartwind321]

What about taking the cell and turning it upside down? as the bubble rise... and the bubbles are forced down? wouldn't this help?

[danman2991]

im thinking probably not. my impression was you want to get the bubbles out as fast as possible to keep the surface area in the cell free therefore letting more reactions take place

[jdtrickster]

It wouldn't be counter productive in cooling the reaction?

[rodrick4500]

i need to know more about pumping process on your valve

[hawtwired]

Pretty kool...

I've been thinking of doing the same thing with the compressor (old two-cylinder design) that USED to be for the A/C on a '64 Dodge 330's polyshpherical 318.

Your videos are inspiring, man!

~Mark~

[sn1pe352]

captain zero , he's our hero , gonna bring bad guys down to zerooo!

[Sasham4]

AFAIK, according to standard academia, which is conservative and backward, electrolysis will be <100% efficiency. So, the amount of energy you put in from your alternator will be less than you get from burning of the gases. So I am just curious on your take on it.

Limit showing your neighbourhood or roads, or detailed information on stores and products you buy, and cash only always :) I feel silly saying this as you know it, I would just hate to see any trouble come your way.

[Sasham4]

Hello ZeroFossilFuel,

I just created a google youtube account for sole purpose to thank you. I have watched all of your 52 videos, including tentative work on magnets.

Keep up the good work, and if I may say, just as a precaution (please don't get paranoid, just careful), as I am sure you are anyway..

[SmartScarecrow]

There is some danger with what you are doing. The type device you got there generates a good bit of heat and static electricty. I cant imagine how you are going to avoid getting some gas sucked into the compressor. There are oiless, diaphram and rotory vane type vacuum pumps that would do the job better/safer. But the darn things aint cheap. Wear your stainless steel underware or put the compressor well away from you just to be safe.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I'm going to create a 2nd bubbler so there will be one immediately before and after the pump. That way, if it does pop, that's all it will do. This pump us as rugged as an ICE. I would not be concerned even if it does pop inside the chamber.

That said, I did run it several times on the cell and watch how much faster gas passed through the outlet tube by observing the bubbles passing through it. No trouble yet.

[SmartScarecrow]

I want to see this work. Am hoping you are right and I am wrong. I think pressure is the way to go but am much concerned about putting this stuff under pressure. I have experimented with blowing up containers at 10-20 psi and you really dont want to go there. So stick with the program and lets see if vacuum works.

[baw1baw]

Go the digital video! Maybe a little tripod to?

You should be able to steal a DV camera after Christmas, some places cut prices bigtime after Christmas. Love to help with a donation but busted right now. Merry Christmas from OZ.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Working on it. Want tapeless with external mic input so I can still use the headset.

[HTwoGo]

Hi Zero,

if you are looking to use a compressor containing oil, to pump (compress or evacuate) high concentration of oxygen 33% I believe that you will be looking for trouble, the oil is lightly to spontaneously combust in the O2 add to this the H2 and you have a explosion, I was looking to do just this using a vane vacuum pump and regulator but got cold feet, I,m going with a peristaltic for now, or a water filter pump for development.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Well, if that's true, were all about to find out. I disagree with ddanvos68 100% about vacuum not producing more gas and were about to fint that out too. Thank you all for your concerns. I will take extra precautions, but also know this; NOTHING is going to desway me from these experiments. If I am correct, and it does produce OU HHO, I will prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt. If it turns out not to be OU, I will prove that too. One of these is true. I believe the former, not the latter.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

question I have now is are there any synthetic lubricants that I could replace in the pump crankcase that are less or nonflammable?

[baw1baw]

Came across a lubricant developed by the Russians called Bitron, cant comment on it's flammability but once it's coated the engine parts you could drain the sump and drive a couple of hundred miles without damage. Maybe that would provide you a margin of safety for testing. It was an MLM distribution network thing, I was pretty keen on it but lost my supplier.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

... Zero taking notes.

[skeeterb2006]

I have a similar idea to you man. But instead of all of it being pushed out of the system into the engine, some of it is recycled back into the cell. That way a positive pressure is kept in the system.

[InvalidMemberAccount]

you know a vacuum pump is used in refrigeration service to remove (boil) water from inside a system. I do not understand how pressure would cause an increase in hho production. Also, it seems to me that you would want to vary the hho production according to what the accelerator pedal is doing instead of the vacuum in the manifold.

-just and unsolicited opinion-

keep up the good work..

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Pressure does not cause increased HHO, absence of pressure does. Because of the stored vacuum in the cell and bubbler, it's going to be best to keep that constant and vary the HHO volume by way of a PWM. Otherwise there will be severe throttle lag.

All will become clear in my next video or two. Don't touch that dial!

Zero

[Snopy2005]

Hi Zero, you are my hero! Been following your great discoverys since Overunity thread, great findinggs and progress. Cince you promote PWM, can you ore PWM say anything about the recomended size of dte frequence device, he has a hole bunch I donnt want to by the wrong one.... (And do he sell overseas?? Like Norway...)

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I did write to Tom to tell him not to over sell. A 20A PWM should be more than adequate for a MPG booster. If you plan to run entirely on HHO, 40-50 amps might be needed but I'm not there yet. There are also some engine modifications that you will need to make which, again, I have not explored.

I'd say the 10-20KHz range would be fine. The only thing I would recommend to buyers as an add-on is an external input for a throttle actuated potentiometer if he offers one.

[Vitotesta]

I see that you are concerned with the ratings but to the average layman (me) it is not entirely clear what you are doing here or have 'done'. You switch on a motor then put your finger over a vacuum port? Mostly it seems as though you are commenting on the price of parts. No malice intent from me just wondering what it is you're doing?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

No offense taken. But, you need to watch the videos that preceed this one to grasp where I'm going with it, and read my comments with each one.

And yes, I am excited about the price of parts. I want those who have contributed to my work to know I am not squandering the money.

[83Marine]

One common concern is that water will boil at lower temps at higher altitudes. When I was in the Marines we had an altitude chamber that could reach 102,000 feet. We could make water boil in a Styrofoam cup from 70,000 to 102,000 feet. An Internet article says this corresponds from about 1.5 inHg to 0.2 inHg, still not that much of a vacuum. I know that the water vapor is helpful, but can you test the output with and without current to the cell please.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

At those altitudes, 1.5"Hg - 0.2"Hg is absolute pressure, not vacuum. These numbers translate roughly to 28.5-29.8"Hg vacuum. I'm pulling 25-26"Hg. BP will be far greater than 130*F. I will demonstrate on the next video.

[pwmpower]

I'm upset, forgot to mention our deal in this video too :( pwmpower dot com

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Oops. I'll see if I can remix the video later.

For the rest of you who actually read these posts, Tom at pwmpower. com is splitting all of his net profits now through the end of January with the ZeroFossilFuel research fund. A PWM will be essential to install my system in a car. If you can't build one on your own, Tom is an expert. Get your orders in now before he's too backordered.

[itwasthedog]

Did you check the actual current draw of the motor against the name plate running amps (FLA or RLA)? If the motor is drawing more than the FLA, you´re overloading the motor and need a smaller motor shaft pulley. If the current draw is lower, you can go bigger if you want, and run the compressor faster for more flow, but I´m probably telling you something you already knew.

Good luck and have fun!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

It's pretty clear that someone with a serious BUG UP THEIR ASS is following my video series and giving it a poor rating every chance they get.

To everyone else who DOES have a clue, PLEASE BE SURE TO RATE MY VIDEOS AND GIVE THEM THE RATING YOU SINCERELY BELIEVE THEY DESERVE to offset that jackass.

Zero

[ddanvos68]

They are called regenerative blowers. Look them up on ebay. I discovered that years ago. Check out my video of hydrogen burner.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Thanks Dan. I will look up the regenerative blowers. Just watched all your videos. Saw the torch flame. Is that the one?

Are you generating the HHO in this vid from the HV arc method in the other vid? What's your source for the HV? Neon sign supply?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Just looked up regen blowers. Quite expensive and not capable of nearly enough vacuum.

[ddanvos68]

Also in all my years of working on this I am almost completly deaf in my right ear from 3 explosions. Browns gas cannot be sent through a compresser safely because of pressure, static . It may work and it may not. I tryed the exact same thing and I had many explosions from it. I am working on a cell that separates the 2 gases, That is the only way to suceed at this whole thing.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Why do so many people here think I am about to compress the HHO?

What part of placing the cell under VACUUM have I not made clear???

[sabriath]

I think what ddanvos is saying, the device doesn't create a vacuum, what it does is move air through decompressing the cylinder with valve 1 open, and then compressing with valve 2 open. It may seem trivial since the overall compression is close to 0, but quantum physics states there will be places where gas can get trapped and be compressed. Just be careful, we don't need to see an accident!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Okay, I'll take that under advisement. I can see how it might be true. I'll put a bubbler on the output side too. Should it ever pop it will be localized to the pump only. The pump itself should easily contain it. Static buildup should not be a problem as the motor housing and the pump body are at Earth potential.

[ddanvos68]

Also a vacuum will not produce more gas. I tried it. Under a vacuum it looks like more gas is being made in a clear container but its simply expanding the hho gas. Once in atmosphere it will reteurn to the normal size. Sabriath, thats exactly what I am talking about. I think thats what caused my expolions on my cell.

[viking1au]

None- You did state that.!

[viking1au]

Maybe a small Tesla pump could be used for the vacuum?????

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Never heard of a Tesla pump. What's that?

[viking1au]

Mr Zero. You are going great guns. -- Not sure though how all this is installed in car.-- More info would be nice.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

More info is coming. All will be revealed.

[thinkofwhy]

A real video recording device? Praise the YouTube gods. It'll all be clear to us then.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yeah, yeah, I know. All the world's a critic. And yet so few step up to donate to make it happen. It's time for people to put their money where their keyboard is.

[Hidalgo014]

You can pick up a car auto vacuum canister, its about 4"x 8". It builds up vacuum at high RPM and stores it until you need it. and its does this on its on. Same way with power bakes.Pick up at a junk yard $15 buck.This is what i use on one of my cells

Good work,Doc

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Thanks, Marty.

[InvalidMemberAccount]

the down side is that it is storing hho- a flash back problem gets worse.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

There is always HHO in the system so I don't quite get your point. How is this worse?

The bubbler is placed just before the pump. One can be placed after it too if desired. I still don't see the point.

[SmartScarecrow]

I forgot about those. He is absolutely right. Ones I remember are like an old fashioned steel 3 lb coffee can with a one way valve on it. That might just work for you when it goes under the hood. Its another piece to test though. I have no idea if they store adequate vacuum for what you are talking about. Might could make some similar though and avoid having to use a pump.

[rewindyourpants]

you should put a small heater in there

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I HAVE a small heater in there! >:-(

[rewindyourpants]

o, must be very cold then

anyway,

i was wondering what exactly the vacuum does with the cell.

does it produce more gas or what?

[AnotherMetalHead]

Great finds! I'm looking forward to the next vid!