Okay look, I have nothing against christianity. Yes I am athiest, but I respect all religon's to have the right to believe what they may. Now that we have that settled, what in the world do you think is wrong with scientology? For example, the incident with Tom Cruise or whoever it was, its no big deal. I can perfectly understand why someone wouldnt want to have such an unfavorable postion brodcast all over the internet. Everyone what they want, who are you to tell them what to believe? tell me!
You speak so much sense. It's slightly scary that there are people out there who would disagree. I really hope there are scis watching this and maybe it will sink in, for the rest of us it is just good, reasonable chat from your friendly neighbourhood Torymagoo!
It is a true story. Scientology's TOTAL Anti-psych is ridiculous as there are people who have been helped by the same people they claim are totally harmful. However, there are stories of horrific people, in every field, psych's being one group---just as in this story.
Google the story---it's far worse than the movie. Best, Tory/Magoo
When i saw Changeling I had to think about how Scientology public rethorics often seem to mirror back attacks on them to other things... for example, they restrict the freedom of speech, so they accuse critics of restricting the freedom of speech... the abuse human rights, so they accuse critics of human rights abuse... they use covert coercion tactics, so they accuse critics of coercion.
That's why I felt the movie "Changeling" could even have a Scientology background.
Tory your channel is excellent, I learn a lot watching you and Wise Beard Man discuss various issues. I was wondering if you saw the Scientology Article in sunday's New York Times. It's an interesting little piece by one of their investigative reporters who was trying to learn more about Scientology.
Yes, Scientology is very sure to label anyone who tells the truth about them as a "hate criminal", "terrorist", "hate group", "sexual pervert", "extortionist", the list goes on and on. It's so incredibly transparent that I'm shocked that anyone falls for it but they do. Ironically Scientology can NEVER confront it's own very real crimes and wrong-doings. If this isn't evil I don't know what is.
There are *many* things you can do besides public statements. Post this YT link on web sites around the net....and invite people to learn a side they'll *never* hear from C of $. That alone would be a huge help. There are more ideas on xenu (dot) net. Check it out :) TLC
Tory, I have followed you and Mark Bunker for several years now, but never commented before. I became interested in Scientology because of an uncle who was involved and South Park. I thought it was funny at first, but now I don't. You are an awesome person, and I really respect what you do! Stay well and keep up the good work!!
Hey welcome and thank you SO much! So your uncle was on South Park? Yeah...people get caught up in the humor. If you haven't watched "The Unfunny Video of Scientology" Check it out in Google. These abuses are why I speak out. Thanks for making the leap-and making a post. I love that :) Tory/Magoo
Google is your friends. Type in Scientology and start reading~ Their side comes up, but plenty of other sites. Hit "Today" and read the latest. It's too much to type out, but let me just say this: WELCOME TO ALLLL WHO HAVE TAKEN BACK THEIR LIVES :) :) :) Tory/Magoo
Great to see you again Tory. Keep speaking up, your words of support will be a great help to people. More people are starting to see what's really going on in scientology.
tory - you admit you were part of the fair game system. youve fessed up, and realize why its wrong to do that. but...youve never actually been punished. at the next protest, we should take turns tickling you as a form of punishment!!!!
I was never part of "Fair Game" that I knew of. As I said here, I thought it had been cancelled. My *first* realization that it wasn't was THE DAY I LEFT and they cancelled my van to the LAX. You obviously haven't listened to my videos, or read much of what I've written. Yes, I opened up those phony accounts, but I was not told what they were used for. Once I found out, soon after I left Scientology forever. Punishment? Ha.
Keep watching ALL videos, learn the facts or you shall be tickled :) TLC
Once again you are right on Tory! Very Well Done on continuing to expose the insidious, lying bastards for what they are. It's a yucky, horrible, money-grubbing cult and you are doing a great job exposing them. Thanks once again!
I've seen the scilon averts where they say 'are you really just ill, or are you under the influence of a supressive person?' They play on people's fear and paranoia and desire to typify people as 'evil' so they'll scapegoat others who don't believe.
@alien8ted Have you ever considered that they believe in something else than the average religion? Im not saying they're all perfect, but neitheir is any religion. Look at the Christian religion, they killed those who spoke out against that religion!
And SOME anonymous went "YOU want to threaten ... ME!? hah... AHah...AHahahHAhahh... HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA MAAAAANNN THE HAAARRRPOOOONNNNS!!!!" and started to ruin the lives of the private investigators, at least that's what happened a few times in 2008 XD
@laserofjustice May I ask you something? D oyou personnally know someone who is/was a believer in scientology? How can you be sure that they are such without experiencing it?
@DCIstampede Feel free to ask! Yes, I know someone born into $cientology, quite a number of ex-$cientologists, have seen the weirdness of some current $cientologists and one freezoner who still believes in the "tech" but protests the "church of $cientology". I have also, very briefly met Tory in London!
@laserofjustice But one has to admit, that certainely not all of the $cientologists are bad people. In fact, probably >50% of them arent quite that insane. Its just like calling all Islamist's terrorists, just because of the group al-Qaeda. One easily gets carried away with all the media surrounding them and forgets that they are still compassionate people, they just beleive something different. For example, I have very discrimintated against friends who are Neo-Pagan. they're still human!
@DCIstampede I agree, many $cientologists are not bad people, why do you think so many ex-$cientologists protest the cult? Having been taken in by it then gradually discovering the con, they want to stop others falling for the con. I feel sad when I see good people taken in by this malicious con and famillies split up, unfortunately the cult has a way of turning good people into zombies who are detached from normal human emotions and behavior. Cults remove the good leaving hollow people.
Re: Changeling - The irony of that movie is that I assumed it was the very narrative of Sci and it's view of what mental health used to be, the protests, the use of aggressive lawsuits for getting "justice" for the communications specialists. I thought it was Sci propaganda. If the church in that film represented Sci, it seems to be a really romanticized version of what I hear about on this vlog. Interesting that you have the opposite view, Tory. :) I will rewatch. LOVE your vlog - inspiring!
No...it's (Changeling) a true story about one woman, taking on the LA police Dept when they tried to lie about her son. It had nothing to do with Scientology, except I mentioned it, due to the minister who was the voice for Ms. Collins, when she was being put away by both the cops and they putting her in a psych ward run by a loon-a-tick. That's not Scientology propaganda, that's based on a true story.
Yes, re-watch it and let me know what you think. Best :) Tory/Magoo
how is it that scientology is able to have "power" to secretly find out info on people.....this has confused me as they have no more legal authority to find info than I do
It has nothing to do with "Power". It's a matter of this mafia-like organization hiring Private Investigators who creep around, photograph people and report about them. (I found one tonight, photographing someone else and I nailed him for it, on the spot. He quickly ran off).
Anyone can hire PI's. It's just more proof of how non-religious this "Church" really is.
@DCIstampede but that dont give you IRS info or criminal records, credit rating......Scientology is able to find out alot more that whats displayed on facebook ect.......they seem to get PERSONAL info. I just wonder where/how they get that info
@Trruckker I cant rmember it off the top of my head, but there is a website that a freind of mine was warnign poeple about on facebook that took everysingle thing that you posted on a networking site. So all you need is a decent hacker and...
Tory I will say something for all of us, well at least some, as some believe in angels, I believe I just found one, you learnt to fly when you found the truth which you know is what is closest to your heart as are the victims of this evil in our world.
Love it Tory!!! Another hit for the playlist I made for you!!! Also sounds like some of the lulz that I have been experiencing on Youtube. Well I love your videos and strength and I won't stop supporting what is right. You are awesome!!
Thank you for mentioning the harm of delaying REAL treatments by the pseudoscience of Scientology. Vitamins do NOT cure cancer and this needs to be repeated over and over again.
Watch AGP's latest video, at the end where the scientologist vitamin pusher immediately suggests a dose 5X the RDA limit, without asking why the person needs it. /watch?v=3fIybRcPdxQ
FEAR in life is a bad bad thing it effects your life chances and choices i found accepting the truth can give you strength to move on from their great video tory video's like this inspire people so well done to you
I have a medical condition where if I'm not on the right meds I become very sick very quickly. If I were in Scientology, I'd probably be dead now. Hurry for medical science, and down with Scientology!
Okay look, I have nothing against christianity. Yes I am athiest, but I respect all religon's to have the right to believe what they may. Now that we have that settled, what in the world do you think is wrong with scientology? For example, the incident with Tom Cruise or whoever it was, its no big deal. I can perfectly understand why someone wouldnt want to have such an unfavorable postion brodcast all over the internet. Everyone what they want, who are you to tell them what to believe? tell me!
DCIstampede 1 year ago
You speak so much sense. It's slightly scary that there are people out there who would disagree. I really hope there are scis watching this and maybe it will sink in, for the rest of us it is just good, reasonable chat from your friendly neighbourhood Torymagoo!
twobitsworth 2 years ago 4
the changeling movie has this psychiatry-bashing element though, which is highly suspicious to me in other ways...
transfixedtornado 2 years ago
It is a true story. Scientology's TOTAL Anti-psych is ridiculous as there are people who have been helped by the same people they claim are totally harmful. However, there are stories of horrific people, in every field, psych's being one group---just as in this story.
Google the story---it's far worse than the movie. Best, Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
it's cool.. and it's the best thing ever that you are speaking out about it all, and so consequently and consitently!!
<3 TFT
transfixedtornado 2 years ago 5
p.s. I guess I meant to say "persistently" - but "consistently" is correct, too :)
transfixedtornado 2 years ago
When i saw Changeling I had to think about how Scientology public rethorics often seem to mirror back attacks on them to other things... for example, they restrict the freedom of speech, so they accuse critics of restricting the freedom of speech... the abuse human rights, so they accuse critics of human rights abuse... they use covert coercion tactics, so they accuse critics of coercion.
That's why I felt the movie "Changeling" could even have a Scientology background.
transfixedtornado 2 years ago
Tory your channel is excellent, I learn a lot watching you and Wise Beard Man discuss various issues. I was wondering if you saw the Scientology Article in sunday's New York Times. It's an interesting little piece by one of their investigative reporters who was trying to learn more about Scientology.
kernira 2 years ago 6
Changeling took place in LA not Chicago.
russwelday 2 years ago 4
Correct~ I tried to post a correction, but thanks for mentioning it. Weren't those cops the worst? Best, Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
Yes, Scientology is very sure to label anyone who tells the truth about them as a "hate criminal", "terrorist", "hate group", "sexual pervert", "extortionist", the list goes on and on. It's so incredibly transparent that I'm shocked that anyone falls for it but they do. Ironically Scientology can NEVER confront it's own very real crimes and wrong-doings. If this isn't evil I don't know what is.
MrWinston1984 2 years ago 4
There are *many* things you can do besides public statements. Post this YT link on web sites around the net....and invite people to learn a side they'll *never* hear from C of $. That alone would be a huge help. There are more ideas on xenu (dot) net. Check it out :) TLC
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
Tory, I have followed you and Mark Bunker for several years now, but never commented before. I became interested in Scientology because of an uncle who was involved and South Park. I thought it was funny at first, but now I don't. You are an awesome person, and I really respect what you do! Stay well and keep up the good work!!
dnstest 2 years ago 5
Hey welcome and thank you SO much! So your uncle was on South Park? Yeah...people get caught up in the humor. If you haven't watched "The Unfunny Video of Scientology" Check it out in Google. These abuses are why I speak out. Thanks for making the leap-and making a post. I love that :) Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
LOL, no I got interested after my uncle dabbled in Scientology, and because of the South Park episode. :)
Maybe someday I will be able to make it out and picket with you all!
dnstest 2 years ago 2
Hey 0d12m23! Anyone can help by 1) Getting informed, 2) Telling friends and family to protect them.
Otherwise protest in a big group and keep a mask on - that'll protect you from Fair Game.
CarterUSP 2 years ago 2
What is the latest thing they have done that has made the news? I don't really watch the local news of Florida...
darthspeaks 2 years ago
Google is your friends. Type in Scientology and start reading~ Their side comes up, but plenty of other sites. Hit "Today" and read the latest. It's too much to type out, but let me just say this: WELCOME TO ALLLL WHO HAVE TAKEN BACK THEIR LIVES :) :) :) Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
friends=friend.
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
Great to see you again Tory. Keep speaking up, your words of support will be a great help to people. More people are starting to see what's really going on in scientology.
All the best to you :)
musicgeniusno1 2 years ago 5
Correction: Changeling occurred here in Los Angeles, not Chicago. :) T
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
tory - you admit you were part of the fair game system. youve fessed up, and realize why its wrong to do that. but...youve never actually been punished. at the next protest, we should take turns tickling you as a form of punishment!!!!
jas22 2 years ago
I was never part of "Fair Game" that I knew of. As I said here, I thought it had been cancelled. My *first* realization that it wasn't was THE DAY I LEFT and they cancelled my van to the LAX. You obviously haven't listened to my videos, or read much of what I've written. Yes, I opened up those phony accounts, but I was not told what they were used for. Once I found out, soon after I left Scientology forever. Punishment? Ha.
Keep watching ALL videos, learn the facts or you shall be tickled :) TLC
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
Once again you are right on Tory! Very Well Done on continuing to expose the insidious, lying bastards for what they are. It's a yucky, horrible, money-grubbing cult and you are doing a great job exposing them. Thanks once again!
shawnjohnandemma 2 years ago 3
I've seen the scilon averts where they say 'are you really just ill, or are you under the influence of a supressive person?' They play on people's fear and paranoia and desire to typify people as 'evil' so they'll scapegoat others who don't believe.
alien8ted 2 years ago 3
@alien8ted Have you ever considered that they believe in something else than the average religion? Im not saying they're all perfect, but neitheir is any religion. Look at the Christian religion, they killed those who spoke out against that religion!
DCIstampede 1 year ago
Great video. Thank you for sharing Tory.
Goldowolf 2 years ago
I wonder what Scientology's stance is on things like getting the flu shot?
treetopteresa 2 years ago
CCHR thinks it's poison.
Simanda 2 years ago 2
Big hug Tory, another great video. Your message here is both guiding and motivating. Good Job!
AngelsInMyHair 2 years ago 2
And SOME anonymous went "YOU want to threaten ... ME!? hah... AHah...AHahahHAhahh... HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA MAAAAANNN THE HAAARRRPOOOONNNNS!!!!" and started to ruin the lives of the private investigators, at least that's what happened a few times in 2008 XD
Stonehawk 2 years ago
you need to see Schizopolis, tory. its based around scientology
pippigladstone 2 years ago 2
Keep on exposing the insideous, power crazed manipulations of the cult of $cientology, the best disinfectant is the bright light of truth.
$cientology- we're doing something about it.
laserofjustice 2 years ago
@laserofjustice May I ask you something? D oyou personnally know someone who is/was a believer in scientology? How can you be sure that they are such without experiencing it?
DCIstampede 1 year ago
@DCIstampede Feel free to ask! Yes, I know someone born into $cientology, quite a number of ex-$cientologists, have seen the weirdness of some current $cientologists and one freezoner who still believes in the "tech" but protests the "church of $cientology". I have also, very briefly met Tory in London!
laserofjustice 1 year ago
@laserofjustice But one has to admit, that certainely not all of the $cientologists are bad people. In fact, probably >50% of them arent quite that insane. Its just like calling all Islamist's terrorists, just because of the group al-Qaeda. One easily gets carried away with all the media surrounding them and forgets that they are still compassionate people, they just beleive something different. For example, I have very discrimintated against friends who are Neo-Pagan. they're still human!
DCIstampede 1 year ago
@DCIstampede I agree, many $cientologists are not bad people, why do you think so many ex-$cientologists protest the cult? Having been taken in by it then gradually discovering the con, they want to stop others falling for the con. I feel sad when I see good people taken in by this malicious con and famillies split up, unfortunately the cult has a way of turning good people into zombies who are detached from normal human emotions and behavior. Cults remove the good leaving hollow people.
laserofjustice 1 year ago
Re: Changeling - The irony of that movie is that I assumed it was the very narrative of Sci and it's view of what mental health used to be, the protests, the use of aggressive lawsuits for getting "justice" for the communications specialists. I thought it was Sci propaganda. If the church in that film represented Sci, it seems to be a really romanticized version of what I hear about on this vlog. Interesting that you have the opposite view, Tory. :) I will rewatch. LOVE your vlog - inspiring!
jrcash27 2 years ago
No...it's (Changeling) a true story about one woman, taking on the LA police Dept when they tried to lie about her son. It had nothing to do with Scientology, except I mentioned it, due to the minister who was the voice for Ms. Collins, when she was being put away by both the cops and they putting her in a psych ward run by a loon-a-tick. That's not Scientology propaganda, that's based on a true story.
Yes, re-watch it and let me know what you think. Best :) Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
ROCK ON TORY!
dynamynx 2 years ago 5
Nice video, Tory. And me, too I hope that the abuses who are around because of that "tech" will stop soon.
mollie2810 2 years ago 2
how is it that scientology is able to have "power" to secretly find out info on people.....this has confused me as they have no more legal authority to find info than I do
Trruckker 2 years ago
It has nothing to do with "Power". It's a matter of this mafia-like organization hiring Private Investigators who creep around, photograph people and report about them. (I found one tonight, photographing someone else and I nailed him for it, on the spot. He quickly ran off).
Anyone can hire PI's. It's just more proof of how non-religious this "Church" really is.
Best :) Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
@Trruckker Facebook, Google, Youtube accounts, There are many different ways to find it
DCIstampede 1 year ago
@DCIstampede but that dont give you IRS info or criminal records, credit rating......Scientology is able to find out alot more that whats displayed on facebook ect.......they seem to get PERSONAL info. I just wonder where/how they get that info
Trruckker 1 year ago
@Trruckker I cant rmember it off the top of my head, but there is a website that a freind of mine was warnign poeple about on facebook that took everysingle thing that you posted on a networking site. So all you need is a decent hacker and...
DCIstampede 1 year ago
Tory I will say something for all of us, well at least some, as some believe in angels, I believe I just found one, you learnt to fly when you found the truth which you know is what is closest to your heart as are the victims of this evil in our world.
DanceWithStrangers 2 years ago 2
scientologists are reading my mind!
minusblame 2 years ago
Love it Tory!!! Another hit for the playlist I made for you!!! Also sounds like some of the lulz that I have been experiencing on Youtube. Well I love your videos and strength and I won't stop supporting what is right. You are awesome!!
Huggs
Cameo
CameoCollections 2 years ago 3
Is it true about Dan Murnan?
Avery1now 2 years ago
God Bless..!!!
hangover71 2 years ago 2
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SuperMegaCyrus 2 years ago
Unless $cientologists are good with the Japanese language there isn't much they can do to me.
JapanAnonymous 2 years ago 2
We luv ya too, tory!
cheappassion 2 years ago 2
the only way to defeat fear is to look it in the face and fight it till you either win or fall.
If a scientologist found out who i was and came after me, i think the biggest change i could see was my protesting without a mask.
also, cause im trying to get my independent filmmakers cert. i think i would have to make a documentary about it.
simply put, a scientologist finds me, i will not hid. i will instead make them regret it as best i (legally) can
qwerty42a000000 2 years ago 2
oh, and of course, thank you again for another great video
qwerty42a000000 2 years ago
Thank you for mentioning the harm of delaying REAL treatments by the pseudoscience of Scientology. Vitamins do NOT cure cancer and this needs to be repeated over and over again.
Watch AGP's latest video, at the end where the scientologist vitamin pusher immediately suggests a dose 5X the RDA limit, without asking why the person needs it. /watch?v=3fIybRcPdxQ
gnssengr 2 years ago 5
FEAR in life is a bad bad thing it effects your life chances and choices i found accepting the truth can give you strength to move on from their great video tory video's like this inspire people so well done to you
ducksoup2007 2 years ago 2
I have a medical condition where if I'm not on the right meds I become very sick very quickly. If I were in Scientology, I'd probably be dead now. Hurry for medical science, and down with Scientology!
nonew3 2 years ago 3
Does $cientology remind anyone else of a star trek convention that got evil and way out of hand?
soulinite 2 years ago 3
OMG TORY U ARE MY HERO! HAIL XENU LOL
lolfaggotry 2 years ago 3
Did you listen to this video, soulinite? If so,
what do you actually think about it. I'd really
like to hear your response to the video. Thanks for being here! Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
Hail Xenu!
soulinite 2 years ago 4