at 3 mins he says he can investagate anybody for anyreason. thats not true! or is it lol? i thought he couldnt stop yu unless yu did anything wrong, thinking about doing anything wrong, or have done anything wrong.
Listen up people. As a current LEO, let me give you some free advice. Never, ever engage my questions. PERIOD!!!! If I'm not investigating a crime, then you can leave, SO LEAVE. If I am investigating a crime, invoke your 5th. I don't have to marandize you to ask you questions. I only have to marandize you when I detain you. So why give me fodder by talking to me?Anything you say CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU, not FOR YOU. By law, you can't use what you say to me to help you, so shut up, say nothing.
@FrankDekal Agreed. Unfortunately here, when he asked if he could leave, was told he was being detained, and had no recourse against the constitution violating officers. Here, even had he immediately not engaged, as you suggest, he would have almost certainly been detained then too, considering as soon as he tried he was anyways. Your solution only works with officers who follow the law. You can't win when dealing with criminals who power trip when they wear a badge.
@3Skitz1Production3 Who am I? I am a citizen, lawfully exercising his God given right to keep and bear arms. The beautiful thing about God given rights is that they are unqualified; meaning they need no standard of excellence or justification in order to exercise. Like God, they simply are.
As long as I exercise my rights in a lawful and safe manner the police should be silent on such matters. We are citizens and thus sovereign, not subjects to be bullied or intimidated.
@3Skitz1Production3 Imagine instead that a LEO saw me going into two different houses of worship on the same day and upon entering the second house of worship he demands to know why I need to worship twice in one day at two different locations. That is the very essence of what he did to me only I was exercising my 2nd Amendment right instead of my 1st Amendment right.
As a LEO, I have to admit, I found the LEO's heard here offensive, and tyrannical. Some free advice. The only thing you should say is, "Are you investigating a crime?" That's it, period. Unless they, the badge wearer/s, answer in the affirmative, then go about your business, LEAVE!!! Research/Google "Brown vs Texas". Question- If I as a LEO, have the right to ID you, why would I ask for it? Ummmm, because if YOU give it to me, then YOU have no civil suit for violation of your 4th, right?
@FrankDekal I've tried that and the LEOs simply sidestep the question by asking a different question. If I had tried to leave after they refused to answer my question they wouldve said I was fleeing and elduing and I wouldve been arrested.
I gave him my ID because he had to write me a ticket for the bicycle license. Are you saying I should've still refused to submit my ID?
@cmdriceman71 No, that's not what I'm saying. Always invoke your 5th. You can't be charged for fleeing if you are not the subject of a crime. Hence, the question. Are you investigating a crime? That bicycle ticket was a BS thing to get around their invasion of your rights, as you found out later. If it were me, I ask the question. If they don't answer in the affirmative, I walk away. You didn't walk away. You engaged them, made them mad, so they wrote you an ATTITUDE TICKET.
cops r not supposed to ask about the gun if they see it. they r not supposed to treat u like a criminal. that is the law. i wish more law biding people would carry. in detroit better to get caught with it then with out it
It seems to me that this guy was minding his own business, and policeman was trolling trying to get the guy to do something stupid. If the cop's suspicion was that this guy was a felon and could show probable cause, then his actions would have been justified. I am a law abiding citizen, however I don't see why I can't stand up for my constitutional right to remain silent, or open carry. The policeman seemed to want to harass giving a (Bogus) bike Lic ticket. Lucky this guy was recording.
@DeLaguna Thanks for your support. If a LEO has "probable cause" that means they now have enough evidence to make an arrest. "Reasonable Suspicion" means that they have enough hard, factual, and articulative evidence of criminal activity to stop and detain you for further questioning. In my case the LEOs had neither, they went on an unwarranted "fishing expedition," holding my liberty and property hostage until they found something.
@cmdriceman71 Normally I would point out that you are arguing semantics, however in this case those semantics are the finer points of the matter at hand. Good point. This is why I support CCW's over Open carry. Also better to have the element of surprise when defending yourself rather than the enemy knowing exactly how much force they have to use.
@DeLaguna If you’ve been accosted by a criminal pointing his gun at your vitals then you have already been surprised and thus youre already behind the defensive curve and need to catch-up. A gun in an openly carried holster is better than one drawn and dispensing bullets; concealed carry forces the latter. An OCed pistol serves as a powerful visual deterrent so that the criminal chooses another victim.
@DeLaguna You assume that a criminal is somehow made miraculously braver because he has a gun in his possession and he will knowingly engage an armed citizen. At their core, most criminals are cowards; the last thing they want is a fair fight where they could possibly be injured or killed. They desire a safe working environment just like any other person. CCers are attacked all the time BECAUSE they look unarmed like everyone else, OCers not so much.
@cmdriceman71 .. hiya,.. that is possibly The Best Explanation I've Ever Stumbled Across Concerning Open Carry Rights.. Very well spoken/typed/..... ah hell ya know what I mean..
That Damned Georgia Skool Sistumn scarred me fer Life.. meaning, I learned sumpthin, & enjoyed it..
Did I miss a big news story on the repeal of the Second and Fourth Amendements or something?! Exercising our rights has become so taboo, that when people do it, the poor cops don't know how to accept it.
excellent. You could have handled it better. Cop could have handled it better. You did what the officer accused you of, you didn't answer the questions. You could have refused to answer the questions initially but instead lectured the cop. Could have just explained that you was exercising the right to answer only those questions required to by law and left the lectures to the lawyers. You didn't do that until you finally said "no comment".
Explain to me this moron, how do the cops know who is a convicted felon who shouldn't be in possession of a firearm, unless they make contact with persons choosing to open carry. The cops went above and beyond being courteous to you, when in reality they should have given you a wood shampoo.
It's apparent that you're looking to incite some type of response by the cops. You think you're doing some type of integrity test, but in reality you're acting like an asshole. Next, it is NOT a God given right to carry a firearm. Firearms came a few days after Gods created the Constitution (Jackass).
I can stop anybody anytime I want. It is sad that the police really believe this. For some reason right to travel has been ignored as a constitutional right in America. The police have to suspect you have committed a crime or are about to commit a crime to stop you. It saddens me to see people stopped for nothing and thinking just because the police are being courteous you should cooperate. It is also sad that police think you should be grateful they are being nice to you.
@jonguyton1 How is this sad? Im very happy to see the Police Officers doing their jobs by stopping and asking people questions. How is this harming someone? Its not. The people that get upset over it are the people that have nothing better to do. How do you think people get caught at Airports trying to smuggle drugs and such? Many of them by random searches. I've been stopped for speeding, showed the Officer my CCP and was on my way in 10 minutes..no big deal, no skin off my back.
@cowboy82272 We have a constitutional right to travel. The founding fathers knew that there had to be a line drawn or the government would go further and further every year, what starts out as local police randomly stopping people today ends up with federal troops kicking in your door tomorrow.Every year the government is pushing for more power, it is time we pushed back by demanding justice for even the smallest infractions on our rights.
The Police Officers were very kind and courteous, but you sir are a jerk! I agree with your right to open carry but unfortunately people like you make things much harder than they need to be.
@cowboy82272 The police do not have the authority to hold your liberty and property hostage in exchange for your privacy (i.e. name) when you have done nothing wrong. At that point they have become nothing more than terrorists with a badge. I do not negotiate or “cooperate” with terrorists. As agents of the State the burden of proof is upon the officer(s) to articulate (within a legal framework) why they are taking any of those aforementioned items away - in my case they failed to do so.
@cmdriceman71@cmdriceman71 Then you sir should move to another country. Im perfectly fine with being asked a question or two, doesn't hurt me a bit. If you feel threatened by being asked your name or how you're doing, then you obviously have deeper issues. I support Open Carry when done in a responsible manner and done by intelligent people. You sir, don't fit that description.
@cowboy82272 "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences of attending too much liberty than those attending too small degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
When you read the words of our Founding Fathers it becomes apparent that the problem isn’t that I should move to another country, it’s that my country has moved away from me. It has lurched politically Leftward toward tyranny.
@cowboy82272 Moreover, given that you have no problem with answering a question or two by police then you should really watch the youtube videos “Don’t Talk to Cops Part 1 & 2”
@cowboy82272 How can you confuse the illegal stop, search and interrogation of an innocent person with the goal of extorting money from him or kidnapping and caging him with kindness and courtesy? At least highway robbers are honest about what they do, which is more that we can say about these officers. Be honest, cowboy. You don't support his open-carry right, otherwise you would not support the officers unlawfully harassing him for it.
@tmoallen How is this an illegal stop? The officer kindly asked how he was doing and immediately he went on the defensive by asking if he was being "detained". The officer was very respectful to him but for some reason he didn't reciprocate, so that leads us to believe he got what he was looking for...a confrontation. To me, thats a big "red flag" and Im glad the officer pursued it further.
@cowboy82272 It became an illegal stop the moment he officer said that he was not being detained but was not free to go. If you are not being detain by law you are free to go. To detain an officer must have REASONABLE SUSPICION that a crime has been or is about to be committed. Hunches, "red flags", or lawful actions(open-carry) do not constitute reasonable suspicion, nor does respect or lack of, although I have a hard time seeing how a cursing officer is showing respect. Educate yourself, sir.
i applaud you for standing up to one of the most corrupt police departments in michigan! i live just north of detroit and thats the reason i do not go into the city! thanks brother and lets all keep oc'ing1
@MrRiceman187 you have a clouded view of what ur civil rights really are. No one should have the right to stop u for no reason. If u were on your way to work and an officer pulled u over and asked for your DL and then gave it back and drove away would u think that his stoppage was ok??? Thats what they do to people who OC. its a violation of privacy and a violation of your civil rights to force you into a conversation with them.
@cmdriceman71 I wanna thanku for doing what ur doing. When OCing we should all where a recorder and video if possible because the leos in this state and especially this city trained to be ignorant tyrants. just this year alone i've spent over 200 hours incarcerated because of open carry stops by cops who had nothing better to do thabn to "go fishing" instead of doing some real police work.
Pure Harassment by the officer!!! BULLSHIT!!!!! you fuckin cops better knock off violating peoples con. rights!!! ur asking for trouble from he general public!!
You are hero this is comming from a redneck in Florida keep up the work. Just be careful of wire tap law but I'm sure your state in one party consent. Good job you handled the situation well. I also suject carry a lawyer card with you this what my friends do in AZ.
To be honest.. I think u really tried to provoke the police to make a stop. when does a person go around with a tape recorded so he can record the events of an investigation with police... to be honest u wanted to be stop.. u wanted more to happen so u can be a superstar...
So note u do have right for open carry... I would not be worried about the police cause that is not why u carrying.... You need to be worried about Poo Poo and Ray Ray on the street
@MrRiceman187 If after listening to the events that unfolded on this open carry experience you still do not realize why it is wise to record oneself when armed then you are too dumb for me to bother explaining the reasons why such a thing would be prudent.
@MrRiceman187 so he asked the police to harass him because he is LEGALLY CARRYING? your point is moronic! the police had NO BUSINESS bothering this guy. would you mind if the police pulled you over just to see if you have a license to drive?
Wow, that officer was a pretty big asshole, lol. He wasn't friendly...he was faking it; he's not nice. This guy was just riding his bike, getting some exercise, and enjoying Detroit. Smh.
Correct me if I'm wrong... , if you are out in public, Police Officers have the right to ask you to state your business, regardless of your conduct. If you had cooperated with the police they would have left you alone. I know not every COP is honest, but you have to take a chance when you are open carrying. Get your CCW and ride around on your bike, they'll never know you have a weapon.
There is no doubt that you have the RKBA, but you also have to prove that you have peaceful intentions.
You are a Cop cruising down a street. You see a guy wearing belts full of ammo and several guns. The law states you have no right to talk to him and you pass by. 30 mins later you respond to a shooting. The guy you saw earlier went into a business and killed every employee. Does this outcome surprise you? Is THAT reasonable? IS THAT THE LAW?
Anyone can take a sentence and interpret it advantageous to themselves. You simply cannot know if the guy next to you is a nut ready to kill everyone by looking at them.
Consider this; you have NO RIGHT to police protection and you are innocent until proven guilty.
So unless they can prove you are breaking the law or about to it does not matter.
It would be like buying hydroponic growing equipment. There is a record of it the police track purchases like that and then they bust down your door for growing 'weed' when you were not growing weed. By your logic it would be reasonable to bust down your door for buying hydroponics eq.
@Freedom1man I agree with you 100%. But don't you see how you brought this onto yourself by buying this equipment? You and I both know what it is [more often than not] used for.
By the same token, I agree to be searched at the airport because I do not want to be blown up or flown into a building
The point is that it's not illegal to own, buy, and/or use that equipment. Who cares what the most commonly viewed use is. I have not purchased hydroponics equipment BTW it was just a part of my argument to make a point. I can build most of it myself anyhow without it being labeled as hydro equipment.
If you believe that those airport searches protect the safety of anyone then you are ill informed. ALL of the 'terrorists' after 2001 were put on the planes by agents.
@Freedom1man "Who cares what the most commonly viewed use is" - that's like saying racism isn't real. I care. The point it to prove that this is a misconception, then everyone wins.
@ginolevino The two quotes below from this nations’ Founding Father succinctly sums up where you and I disagree, they get right to the crux of the matter. What does the term "liberty" mean to you?
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences of attending too much liberty than those attending to small a degree of it.” - Thomas Jefferson
“Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.” - Thomas Jefferson
@ginolevino Hence, that tempestuous sea of liberty means letting the man wearing belts full of ammo and several guns on his way. Sure, the police can stop him, engage him in consensual casual conversation and see what he is doing but they may not detain him or his property without reasonable suspicion of a crime. Heck, they can even follow him overtly. That sir, is life in a truly free and liberty-loving society. You sir do not wish reside in such a place - I do.
Finally what makes you think I didn’t already possess a concealed pistol license when I was detained? Did it ever occur to you that I went outside with the intention to bear arms. "A right not exercised is a right eventually lost." Like good little sheeple, already too many Americans are all too happy to exercise conceal carry thinking this privilege is the best thing since toilet paper and sliced bread not realizing it is a political sop, a concession, a bribe or pacifier, a mere trinket.
To make it worse most states require a license or permit either way permission to carry concealed making concealed carry a privilege not a right. So it's worse than a bribe because you have to get finger printed, background checked, (in some states) explain why you want one, AND pay a fee to have this done to you.
So open carry is the only right that you have in most states. Then when you do the cops want to stop and harass you.
@ginolevino The police do not have the authority to hold your liberty and property hostage in exchange for your privacy (i.e. name) when you have done nothing wrong. At that point they have become nothing more than terrorists with a badge. I do not negotiate or “cooperate” with terrorists. As agents of the State the burden of proof is upon the officer(s) to articulate (within a legal framework) why they are taking any of those aforementioned items away - in my case they failed to do so.
Remember in 2001 it was stated that the Terrorist are the ones who want to take away your rights and we are supposed to be fighting the terrorists.... Food for thought.
@ginolevino Furthermore as a law-abiding citizen you have a right to privacy, a right to anonymity, and the presumption of innocence - in short you do not have to prove anything; the State must prove your guilt.
Some states are “stop and identify” states, however Michigan isn’t one of them. It’s true a LEO can engage a citizen in casual conversation in an attempt to further “investigate” so as to ascertain whether criminal activity is afoot. But until officers have facts rising to the level of reasonable articulated suspicion of criminal activity they do NOT have the power to DETAIN a law-abiding citizen. In short they cannot hold you for 20 mins while they go on an unwarranted fishing expedition.
@ginolevino Concealed carry IS the best thing for me since I do NOT attract any attention. I can go into a known bad area and appear same as the next "sheeple" to those that pray on peaceful citizens, as well as appear to mean no harm to the citizens themselves.
It is reasonable to assume that me walking down the street in the subdivision I live in, with guns showing, while kids run around and neighbors walk their dogs, would rise suspicion and calls to police would be made.
Likewise, I would have no problems explaining my business to the responding officers - I have nothing to hide.
We do not live in the "wild wild west". We do not have to fend from gangs trying to take our chickens and women. While it IS our right to bear arms, you have to do so WITHOUT disturbing peace. I cannot do that in my neighborhood. The old ladies peeking out the window won't even let me park my trailer in the driveway for one day (has to go on the side of the house)
@ginolevino concealed carry is right for u but u cant knock another person's choice of carry. You asked about walking through your subdivision and them calling the police on you, well my answer to this sir is that their not your neighbors. These people are just strangers who live in close proximity to you. I personallly oc in my neighborhood which is aproximately a total of 8 blocks long and 5 blocks wide and have no problems cause the people know me and are real neighbors.
@ginolevino I was there. This guy had on a Police Like reflective jacket,gun belt over the jacket across his back,2 guns on his back riding a bike.The 12th precinct has 2 parking lots he rode his bike back and forth for 45 min and when the police did not stop him he flipped his bike upstide down on the side walk next to front doors for 25 min. Finally when the police did not stop him he attempted to walk inside the precinct armed with 2 loaded guns. Hes unstable and appears mental.
@TheBecksterburnie I posted a long story about this guy this morning and just looked, it was erased. If you are going to post a story like this dont edit the audio tape and stop erasing negitive messages. Stop looking for a lawsuit.
Good job standing up for your rights brother. Knowledge is definitely power.
Also, I think all these negative comments may come from those who have hidden feelings and agendas towards certain groups of American citizens rights to bear arms. These peoples hatred clouds their ability to see a true patriot at work;standing up for his constitutional rights. Sad but true.
@TheBlinked1 Thank you for your support, it means a great deal to me. And yes, youre correct in that some citizens simply do not understand how important it is to stand up for one's rights. Rarely are a people's rights taken away in one fell swoop.
You held up very well considering the gross intimidation, asking questions instead of answering them. Masters ask questions, subjects answer. Always ask questions, avoid answering them. Check out "theAntiTerrorist" videos here on YouTube.
@akaknocksville I presented my I.D. only because I was under the impression that I'd broken the law by riding a bicycle without a license. I presented my I.D. so he could write me a ticket for that, but I never presented my I.D. for openly carrying handguns.
However instead of hurling insults, I am more interested in what you would've done. You now have the luxury of knowing how things would turn out; I did not.
There has been talk about registering bicycles in different cities in my state. It would not a be license for the rider only for the bike. However it would, in effect, make it illegal for anyone from outside the city to ride through those cities.
So what does a the testing for a license to ride a bicycle entail?
@Freedom1man it entails a new world order that is going to be here, soon. we gotta stand up for our damn rights. people like me and you are tryin to make people aware.
So you've seen my videos then, I take it. Many people are upset by my actions. I guess I need to go a for a 2nd Amendment bike ride next time. I've done 2nd Amendment walks already. The police hate me for it.
@guntpunch "When the people fear the government you have tyranny……
When the government fears the people you have liberty." - President Thomas Jefferson
The very cowardice that you exhibit in your aforementioned comment is how and why politicians have become so emboldened as to continue to usurp citizens’ God-given right to keep and bear arms. Too many Americans exercise their rights as if they were privileges bestowed by the government.
@cmdriceman71 You have so much faith in the Second Amendment to prevent a tyrannical takeover. Yet so LITTLE faith in the REST of the Constitution which guarantees, through a rather ingenious system of checks and balances proposed by Locke and embraced by our Founding Fathers, that no such takeover will EVER occur in the United States.
You're a damn Hollywood-watching fool if you think it's YOUR guns and not OUR CONSTITUTION which prevent such an occurrence.
@cmdriceman71 I'm sorry but these officers exercised enormous restraint and trust when they realized that a holstered open carry firearm is probably the least of your worries, and treated you respectfully with non-confrontational questions in response to 911 calls about a man with a gun. They knew what was up, and if you had extended the same courtesy as professional and human beings, there wouldn't have been any confrontation.
You give gun owners a bad name and that includes me.
@guntpunch First Obama can't take away all our gun rights, because it is in the Constitution. Second if he did it wouldn't be because of Open Carry advocates exercising there God given right, it would be because the were going to take them away anyway. You need to make more sense when you talk. Open Carry is legal in most states period. These cops where violating this guys rights and harassing him.
The policemen did take my guns and they ran the serial numbers to ensure they were registered and belonged to me. The problem with that is that they had no reasonable suspicion of a crime. In the state of Michigan, as long as citizens are conducting themselves in a lawful manner police don’t have the authority to detain them or demand I.D.. In short citizens have a right to anonymity. Research the 4th Amendment and the history behind it and then you’ll see "what’s wrong with that."
I agree with the statement you were trying to make but clearly you were probing for a reaction from the police seeing as your riding around with two handguns and some type of audio recorder. I could see one but two? Its really not practical in a self defense situation and probably will cause more harm but anyways i suppose you always have an audio recorder because you dont trust the police and blah blah
@penguinfarm3 Read: "The Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry" - by Massad Ayoob pages 200-202 "Seven Rational Reasons to Carry A Back Up Gun."
The police record themseleves with dashboard cameras so as to preempt any second guessing by prosecutors or defense attorneys when they have to use their weapon. When my life is hanging in the balance in a court of law after a self-defense shooting, my recording may be the only thing that's keeps me from going to prison. How is that impractical?
@penguinfarm3 Do you live in detroit? didnt think so...If you lived here you would understand that two guns is completely practical for self defense...
Nothing wrong for excising your right to bear arms by open carrying but was it worth going through all that hassle??? i bet you dont open carry anymore while rideing your bike
@sectorzero2010 You have bet wrong then. Too many people have died over the centuries fighting for the rights you and I now enjoy. What kind of man would I be to exhibit cowardice in the face of tyranny and casually toss aside the sacrfices of all those who came before me because it might be not be worth the hassle?
@carp1844 Lmao. You jest now about a breathing license, but if we dont push to have our senators and congressional representatives get rid of the EPA your joke could one day become a sobering reality.
I have mad respect for Detroit police. HOWEVER If you are openly carrying 1, 2, or even 3 pistols the police do not have a right to stop you unless they feel you are in the "wrong doing" a guy riding his bike simply openenly carrying is not "doing wrong" I disagree this officer he is just being a total dick. If you have a CPL you have to identify it upon police presence. If he said no then the officer should presume that he does not. AND you DO NOT have to have ID. UNLESS you are driving.
@rbrice15 MCL 28.425f (3) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol and who is carrying a concealed pistol and who is stopped by a peace officer shall immediately disclose to the peace officer that he or she is carrying a pistol concealed upon his or her person or in his or her vehicle.
It was clear from the beginning I wasn't carrying a concealed pistol, even the officers who stopped me said as much, thus the aforementioned statute didn't apply to me.
5:04 No, you don't need to have an ID on you. You only need to have an ID when you are operating a motor vehicle. You're on a bike, ergo, you don't need any form of ID. All you're legally bound to do (as far as I know) is state your name. Nothing more.
5:35 He should not be able to issue you a citation even if there is some crazy bike license law on the books. He had no probably cause to stop and search you. (I did see that the bike license was repealed 2+ yrs ago).
@ghotioutofh2o If I can recall a few years ago there was talk in Detroit about making it a crime if you were over the age of 18 and did not carry some form of I.D. within the city limits. However this didnt mean you had to actually present it to a LEO when stopped without reasonable suspicion, but you at least had to be in possession of said I.D.
@ghotioutofh2o What's more, "probable cause" is when a LEO has enough evidence to make an arrest while "reasonable suspicion" is when a LEO has some hard or factual evidence (that can be presented or articulated in a court of law) that a crime has happened, is currently happening or is imminent. I already knew that the officers in question had neither.
@ghotioutofh2o if you listen to the beginning of the clip this was an open and close case i find that several citizens openly carry just to create situations like such. when faced with situation like this i just ask a few probing questions to find out the mental/emotional capacity (which is well within reason) and provided the civilian cooperates I engage in no further investigation. But yes you are required by law to posses a valid State ID and present it to law enforcement upon request.
@detroitundertaker "...you are required by law to posses a valid State ID and present it to law enforcement upon request." Perhaps the carrying of ID varies by state. I'll give you that one.
By your own implications, the open-carrying people that you encounter are guilty until proven innocent. I don't know what they taught you LEO school, but that's not the way the US works [or should work].
I may be misunderstanding you. Please use proper punctuation to help avoid confusion.
@ghotioutofh2o Lol, my apologies, using mobile device. However, all im saying is its my job to investigate abnormal situations. Yes civilians are innocent, but proper investigation should take place. Putting yourself in the position of a potential victim if you are taking your child out of the car and someone on a bike harms you and your child, but no more than five minutes ago a police officer came in contact with the perp and didn't even bother to investigate him how would you take that
I would take that as the victim should be aware of his surroundings and should be carrying too.
What you are trying to accomplish with these random "investigations" is taking away liberty for the [false] sense of security. And as we know, those who give up the former for the latter deserve neither.
Correction: more than half the violence in the city of Detroit could be prevented if more law-abiding citizens were armed.
@ghotioutofh2o I truly enjoy this dialogue as i welcome other perceptions. Abiding by the laws is not abnormal however certain laws do impede safety. A man walking down the street with an AR-15 is legal but abnormal to see and just as an LEO i would investigate.
@ghotioutofh2o Just as if someone driving a car swerves just a little an LEO may initiate a stop just to investigate the state of the driver although an occasional swerve is not against the law. Although it doesn't stop crime it gives police presence it tells criminals that the police are out looking and citizens that we are making an attempt.
Although i whole heatedly support cpl licensing i don't think in fact i know that more cpl holders would not prevent crime.
@ghotioutofh2o My father (who is LE) and mother were robbed at gun point my two individuals who her spotted by they were on them to quick to draw his weapon and his good judgement of not drawing possible saved my mothers life.Im not so sure although citizens a re legally caring that they have that good judgement variable ive seen fist have numerous situations gone bad a cpl holder shot because he is trying to draw after the perp is already on him. So maybe more bodies would just start turning up
@ghotioutofh2o more than half of the violence in the city of Detroit could be prevented if LE was allowed to do more proactive maintenance i can't tell you how many times I seen a situation where i KNEW it was gonna go bad but we couldn't do anything because of a law or something impeding real police work (arresting a child support case, while a child rape is in progress) it pisses me off !!!
@ghotioutofh2o law enforcement officers are put in place to look for abnormal situations and investigate carrying two gun open is not normal. People always say someone is being killed while we are harassing but a simpleton trying to prove a point tied up a unit. because by law we should be out investigating its called being proactive. How would i feel as LE if i just waved to a guy with to guns then later on a call comes across of a violent crime committed buy the same guy
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im not tryin to be no butthole!
TheRealestEver 1 day ago
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TheRealestEver 1 day ago
and lol they did yu dirty on that bike licence shit....
jay4201203461003 3 days ago
at 3 mins he says he can investagate anybody for anyreason. thats not true! or is it lol? i thought he couldnt stop yu unless yu did anything wrong, thinking about doing anything wrong, or have done anything wrong.
jay4201203461003 3 days ago
And also, how does a cop not know why someone is carrying a gun in DETROIT.. it's DETROIT.. that's why
Adeptmind 6 days ago
They let that chris rock wannabe be a cop? lol
Adeptmind 1 week ago
this is why people hate cops.
pete5668 1 week ago
If I had a cop AX me anything, I'd be nervous as hell.
oldstock1607 1 week ago
@oldstock1607 ax lol dat nigga be on a powa trip yo
pete5668 1 week ago
Cop or ganbanger WTF
TheDouglebutt 1 week ago
Detroit cops are clueless.. The only thing they ever care about is who the hoe is blowing on 8-mile and Woodward.
likeabull1 2 weeks ago
@likeabull1 Wrong that's your Warren, Eastpointe, and Hazel Park police...
keepthapinit 5 hours ago
@keepthapinit I am originally from Warren... Glad to be out of that shit hole.
likeabull1 5 hours ago
Listen up people. As a current LEO, let me give you some free advice. Never, ever engage my questions. PERIOD!!!! If I'm not investigating a crime, then you can leave, SO LEAVE. If I am investigating a crime, invoke your 5th. I don't have to marandize you to ask you questions. I only have to marandize you when I detain you. So why give me fodder by talking to me?Anything you say CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU, not FOR YOU. By law, you can't use what you say to me to help you, so shut up, say nothing.
FrankDekal 2 weeks ago
@FrankDekal Agreed. Unfortunately here, when he asked if he could leave, was told he was being detained, and had no recourse against the constitution violating officers. Here, even had he immediately not engaged, as you suggest, he would have almost certainly been detained then too, considering as soon as he tried he was anyways. Your solution only works with officers who follow the law. You can't win when dealing with criminals who power trip when they wear a badge.
bones343 3 days ago
A bicycle license? WTF!
buttflyzzz 2 weeks ago
who the fuck are you tomb raider? i open carry but why two guns? thats like you expect to get harrased
3Skitz1Production3 2 weeks ago
@3Skitz1Production3 Who am I? I am a citizen, lawfully exercising his God given right to keep and bear arms. The beautiful thing about God given rights is that they are unqualified; meaning they need no standard of excellence or justification in order to exercise. Like God, they simply are.
As long as I exercise my rights in a lawful and safe manner the police should be silent on such matters. We are citizens and thus sovereign, not subjects to be bullied or intimidated.
cmdriceman71 2 weeks ago
@3Skitz1Production3 Imagine instead that a LEO saw me going into two different houses of worship on the same day and upon entering the second house of worship he demands to know why I need to worship twice in one day at two different locations. That is the very essence of what he did to me only I was exercising my 2nd Amendment right instead of my 1st Amendment right.
cmdriceman71 2 weeks ago
@3Skitz1Production3 Hahah...True statement.
cowboy82272 2 weeks ago
As a LEO, I have to admit, I found the LEO's heard here offensive, and tyrannical. Some free advice. The only thing you should say is, "Are you investigating a crime?" That's it, period. Unless they, the badge wearer/s, answer in the affirmative, then go about your business, LEAVE!!! Research/Google "Brown vs Texas". Question- If I as a LEO, have the right to ID you, why would I ask for it? Ummmm, because if YOU give it to me, then YOU have no civil suit for violation of your 4th, right?
FrankDekal 3 weeks ago
@FrankDekal I've tried that and the LEOs simply sidestep the question by asking a different question. If I had tried to leave after they refused to answer my question they wouldve said I was fleeing and elduing and I wouldve been arrested.
I gave him my ID because he had to write me a ticket for the bicycle license. Are you saying I should've still refused to submit my ID?
cmdriceman71 2 weeks ago
@cmdriceman71 No, that's not what I'm saying. Always invoke your 5th. You can't be charged for fleeing if you are not the subject of a crime. Hence, the question. Are you investigating a crime? That bicycle ticket was a BS thing to get around their invasion of your rights, as you found out later. If it were me, I ask the question. If they don't answer in the affirmative, I walk away. You didn't walk away. You engaged them, made them mad, so they wrote you an ATTITUDE TICKET.
FrankDekal 2 weeks ago
@FrankDekal Thanks for the advice, next time after invoking my 5th, I'll be silent as stone and see how that works out for me.
cmdriceman71 2 weeks ago
Wow that cop is annoying. Cop was talking to you like a goddamn comedian, totally unprofessional.
DrummerBoyz95 3 weeks ago
were you questioned by 36 mafia?
theantinignog 3 weeks ago
cops r not supposed to ask about the gun if they see it. they r not supposed to treat u like a criminal. that is the law. i wish more law biding people would carry. in detroit better to get caught with it then with out it
enewton313 3 weeks ago
these cops are stupid. my man knows the law n they dont "why you need to carry these" because detroit has more murders then anywhere
enewton313 3 weeks ago
did i hear that right bicycle licence really like peddle really lol dam note stay on the west side of the state lol
sk8starr2000 3 weeks ago
It seems to me that this guy was minding his own business, and policeman was trolling trying to get the guy to do something stupid. If the cop's suspicion was that this guy was a felon and could show probable cause, then his actions would have been justified. I am a law abiding citizen, however I don't see why I can't stand up for my constitutional right to remain silent, or open carry. The policeman seemed to want to harass giving a (Bogus) bike Lic ticket. Lucky this guy was recording.
DeLaguna 4 weeks ago
@DeLaguna Thanks for your support. If a LEO has "probable cause" that means they now have enough evidence to make an arrest. "Reasonable Suspicion" means that they have enough hard, factual, and articulative evidence of criminal activity to stop and detain you for further questioning. In my case the LEOs had neither, they went on an unwarranted "fishing expedition," holding my liberty and property hostage until they found something.
cmdriceman71 2 weeks ago
@cmdriceman71 Normally I would point out that you are arguing semantics, however in this case those semantics are the finer points of the matter at hand. Good point. This is why I support CCW's over Open carry. Also better to have the element of surprise when defending yourself rather than the enemy knowing exactly how much force they have to use.
DeLaguna 2 weeks ago
@DeLaguna If you’ve been accosted by a criminal pointing his gun at your vitals then you have already been surprised and thus youre already behind the defensive curve and need to catch-up. A gun in an openly carried holster is better than one drawn and dispensing bullets; concealed carry forces the latter. An OCed pistol serves as a powerful visual deterrent so that the criminal chooses another victim.
cmdriceman71 2 weeks ago
@DeLaguna You assume that a criminal is somehow made miraculously braver because he has a gun in his possession and he will knowingly engage an armed citizen. At their core, most criminals are cowards; the last thing they want is a fair fight where they could possibly be injured or killed. They desire a safe working environment just like any other person. CCers are attacked all the time BECAUSE they look unarmed like everyone else, OCers not so much.
cmdriceman71 2 weeks ago
@cmdriceman71 .. hiya,.. that is possibly The Best Explanation I've Ever Stumbled Across Concerning Open Carry Rights.. Very well spoken/typed/..... ah hell ya know what I mean..
That Damned Georgia Skool Sistumn scarred me fer Life.. meaning, I learned sumpthin, & enjoyed it..
But don't tell anybody..
I have a reputation to uphold..
Wrongway1965 2 weeks ago
Did I miss a big news story on the repeal of the Second and Fourth Amendements or something?! Exercising our rights has become so taboo, that when people do it, the poor cops don't know how to accept it.
johnwilburn 1 month ago
excellent. You could have handled it better. Cop could have handled it better. You did what the officer accused you of, you didn't answer the questions. You could have refused to answer the questions initially but instead lectured the cop. Could have just explained that you was exercising the right to answer only those questions required to by law and left the lectures to the lawyers. You didn't do that until you finally said "no comment".
topcatken1 1 month ago
Explain to me this moron, how do the cops know who is a convicted felon who shouldn't be in possession of a firearm, unless they make contact with persons choosing to open carry. The cops went above and beyond being courteous to you, when in reality they should have given you a wood shampoo.
NJRockHead 1 month ago
It's apparent that you're looking to incite some type of response by the cops. You think you're doing some type of integrity test, but in reality you're acting like an asshole. Next, it is NOT a God given right to carry a firearm. Firearms came a few days after Gods created the Constitution (Jackass).
NJRockHead 1 month ago
These cops sound like street thugs... is this the kind of trash they hire for Law Enforcement in Michigan..?
younwhosarmy 1 month ago
A bicycle license? What are we coming to?
jonguyton1 1 month ago
I can stop anybody anytime I want. It is sad that the police really believe this. For some reason right to travel has been ignored as a constitutional right in America. The police have to suspect you have committed a crime or are about to commit a crime to stop you. It saddens me to see people stopped for nothing and thinking just because the police are being courteous you should cooperate. It is also sad that police think you should be grateful they are being nice to you.
jonguyton1 1 month ago 2
@jonguyton1 How is this sad? Im very happy to see the Police Officers doing their jobs by stopping and asking people questions. How is this harming someone? Its not. The people that get upset over it are the people that have nothing better to do. How do you think people get caught at Airports trying to smuggle drugs and such? Many of them by random searches. I've been stopped for speeding, showed the Officer my CCP and was on my way in 10 minutes..no big deal, no skin off my back.
cowboy82272 4 weeks ago
@cowboy82272 We have a constitutional right to travel. The founding fathers knew that there had to be a line drawn or the government would go further and further every year, what starts out as local police randomly stopping people today ends up with federal troops kicking in your door tomorrow.Every year the government is pushing for more power, it is time we pushed back by demanding justice for even the smallest infractions on our rights.
jonguyton1 4 weeks ago
I use to live in Highland Park, Go there and try to open carry lol
zackaryjames 1 month ago
The Police Officers were very kind and courteous, but you sir are a jerk! I agree with your right to open carry but unfortunately people like you make things much harder than they need to be.
cowboy82272 1 month ago
@cowboy82272 The police do not have the authority to hold your liberty and property hostage in exchange for your privacy (i.e. name) when you have done nothing wrong. At that point they have become nothing more than terrorists with a badge. I do not negotiate or “cooperate” with terrorists. As agents of the State the burden of proof is upon the officer(s) to articulate (within a legal framework) why they are taking any of those aforementioned items away - in my case they failed to do so.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
@cmdriceman71 @cmdriceman71 Then you sir should move to another country. Im perfectly fine with being asked a question or two, doesn't hurt me a bit. If you feel threatened by being asked your name or how you're doing, then you obviously have deeper issues. I support Open Carry when done in a responsible manner and done by intelligent people. You sir, don't fit that description.
cowboy82272 4 weeks ago
@cowboy82272 "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences of attending too much liberty than those attending too small degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
When you read the words of our Founding Fathers it becomes apparent that the problem isn’t that I should move to another country, it’s that my country has moved away from me. It has lurched politically Leftward toward tyranny.
cmdriceman71 4 weeks ago
@cowboy82272 Moreover, given that you have no problem with answering a question or two by police then you should really watch the youtube videos “Don’t Talk to Cops Part 1 & 2”
cmdriceman71 4 weeks ago
@cowboy82272 How can you confuse the illegal stop, search and interrogation of an innocent person with the goal of extorting money from him or kidnapping and caging him with kindness and courtesy? At least highway robbers are honest about what they do, which is more that we can say about these officers. Be honest, cowboy. You don't support his open-carry right, otherwise you would not support the officers unlawfully harassing him for it.
tmoallen 4 weeks ago
@tmoallen How is this an illegal stop? The officer kindly asked how he was doing and immediately he went on the defensive by asking if he was being "detained". The officer was very respectful to him but for some reason he didn't reciprocate, so that leads us to believe he got what he was looking for...a confrontation. To me, thats a big "red flag" and Im glad the officer pursued it further.
cowboy82272 4 weeks ago
@cowboy82272 It became an illegal stop the moment he officer said that he was not being detained but was not free to go. If you are not being detain by law you are free to go. To detain an officer must have REASONABLE SUSPICION that a crime has been or is about to be committed. Hunches, "red flags", or lawful actions(open-carry) do not constitute reasonable suspicion, nor does respect or lack of, although I have a hard time seeing how a cursing officer is showing respect. Educate yourself, sir.
tmoallen 4 weeks ago
@cowboy82272
Agree. Open carry people can be the biggest jerks around!!
flyboyvet1119 3 weeks ago
i applaud you for standing up to one of the most corrupt police departments in michigan! i live just north of detroit and thats the reason i do not go into the city! thanks brother and lets all keep oc'ing1
mustangcobratim2 1 month ago
@mustangcobratim2 Please DPD is mild compared to the MSP aka (KKK)...
keepthapinit 5 hours ago
@MrRiceman187 you have a clouded view of what ur civil rights really are. No one should have the right to stop u for no reason. If u were on your way to work and an officer pulled u over and asked for your DL and then gave it back and drove away would u think that his stoppage was ok??? Thats what they do to people who OC. its a violation of privacy and a violation of your civil rights to force you into a conversation with them.
GLIKEGUNS 1 month ago
@cmdriceman71 I wanna thanku for doing what ur doing. When OCing we should all where a recorder and video if possible because the leos in this state and especially this city trained to be ignorant tyrants. just this year alone i've spent over 200 hours incarcerated because of open carry stops by cops who had nothing better to do thabn to "go fishing" instead of doing some real police work.
GLIKEGUNS 1 month ago
@GLIKEGUNS You sir are a hero as well given that you have spent the equivalent of over 8 days deep inside the belly of the beast for lawful conduct.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
I guess these cops weren't taught how to be professional
LawStudent73 1 month ago
@LawStudent73 The officers were very professional, I even heard him say "Please" several times.
cowboy82272 1 month ago
License for riding a bicycle...? That's retarded.
1911GreaterThanALL 1 month ago
@1911GreaterThanALL
Michigan law requires anything with wheels to be licensed...
keepthapinit 5 hours ago
Its not a police state so you don't need id to just simply walk the streets of America! I hope you sue these 2 dumbfuck cops!
TheBigfoot425 1 month ago
the cops in this are assholes!
TheBigfoot425 1 month ago
cops are a bigger threat to ones personal safety than any "criminal". in my opinion they should be given no quarter.
At the end the officer says "I'll see you again", that's a veiled threat if I've ever heard one... I would certainly seek legal advice...
ob08 1 month ago
This is crazy!
bodine1966 1 month ago
That COP was breaking the law AND THREATENING YOU, SUE !!!
You do not HAVE to carry an I.D.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
laztek1 1 month ago
Pure Harassment by the officer!!! BULLSHIT!!!!! you fuckin cops better knock off violating peoples con. rights!!! ur asking for trouble from he general public!!
mygunismyid 1 month ago
suguest
silverton7777 1 month ago
suguest
silverton7777 1 month ago
You are hero this is comming from a redneck in Florida keep up the work. Just be careful of wire tap law but I'm sure your state in one party consent. Good job you handled the situation well. I also suject carry a lawyer card with you this what my friends do in AZ.
silverton7777 1 month ago
LMAO IT SOUNDS LIKE CHRIS TUCKER COP LMAO
policedan 1 month ago
To be honest.. I think u really tried to provoke the police to make a stop. when does a person go around with a tape recorded so he can record the events of an investigation with police... to be honest u wanted to be stop.. u wanted more to happen so u can be a superstar...
So note u do have right for open carry... I would not be worried about the police cause that is not why u carrying.... You need to be worried about Poo Poo and Ray Ray on the street
MrRiceman187 1 month ago
@MrRiceman187 If after listening to the events that unfolded on this open carry experience you still do not realize why it is wise to record oneself when armed then you are too dumb for me to bother explaining the reasons why such a thing would be prudent.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
@MrRiceman187 so he asked the police to harass him because he is LEGALLY CARRYING? your point is moronic! the police had NO BUSINESS bothering this guy. would you mind if the police pulled you over just to see if you have a license to drive?
TheBigfoot425 1 month ago
Oh, did you file a civil lawsuit for them searching and seizing your weapon?
epohnopulse 1 month ago
What type of cops talk like that? So unprofessional. Damn. May I ask what type of audio recording device you are using?
epohnopulse 1 month ago
Wow, that officer was a pretty big asshole, lol. He wasn't friendly...he was faking it; he's not nice. This guy was just riding his bike, getting some exercise, and enjoying Detroit. Smh.
meny311 1 month ago
@meny311 Obviously you don't know a thing about DPD...
They don't fuck with you, unless you're doing something stupid, or provoking them...
keepthapinit 5 hours ago
open season on Detroit police
PoliticalSmackdown 1 month ago
@PoliticalSmackdown You better not say that... A dude tried that last year on the westside precient right off Plymouth and got killed...
keepthapinit 5 hours ago
No comment haha!
TheSaneRider 1 month ago
The police appear to have investigated this person without a reason to suspect him of crime. I find this unacceptible.
jaysonness 1 month ago
Correct me if I'm wrong... , if you are out in public, Police Officers have the right to ask you to state your business, regardless of your conduct. If you had cooperated with the police they would have left you alone. I know not every COP is honest, but you have to take a chance when you are open carrying. Get your CCW and ride around on your bike, they'll never know you have a weapon.
There is no doubt that you have the RKBA, but you also have to prove that you have peaceful intentions.
ginolevino 1 month ago
@ginolevino
You are wrong. The police have no right to harass you. The courts are corrupt and allow it to happen though.
Freedom1man 1 month ago
@Freedom1man Take this for example:
You are a Cop cruising down a street. You see a guy wearing belts full of ammo and several guns. The law states you have no right to talk to him and you pass by. 30 mins later you respond to a shooting. The guy you saw earlier went into a business and killed every employee. Does this outcome surprise you? Is THAT reasonable? IS THAT THE LAW?
ginolevino 1 month ago
Anyone can take a sentence and interpret it advantageous to themselves. You simply cannot know if the guy next to you is a nut ready to kill everyone by looking at them.
ginolevino 1 month ago
@ginolevino
Consider this; you have NO RIGHT to police protection and you are innocent until proven guilty.
So unless they can prove you are breaking the law or about to it does not matter.
It would be like buying hydroponic growing equipment. There is a record of it the police track purchases like that and then they bust down your door for growing 'weed' when you were not growing weed. By your logic it would be reasonable to bust down your door for buying hydroponics eq.
Freedom1man 1 month ago
@Freedom1man I agree with you 100%. But don't you see how you brought this onto yourself by buying this equipment? You and I both know what it is [more often than not] used for.
By the same token, I agree to be searched at the airport because I do not want to be blown up or flown into a building
ginolevino 1 month ago
@ginolevino
The point is that it's not illegal to own, buy, and/or use that equipment. Who cares what the most commonly viewed use is. I have not purchased hydroponics equipment BTW it was just a part of my argument to make a point. I can build most of it myself anyhow without it being labeled as hydro equipment.
If you believe that those airport searches protect the safety of anyone then you are ill informed. ALL of the 'terrorists' after 2001 were put on the planes by agents.
Freedom1man 1 month ago
@Freedom1man "Who cares what the most commonly viewed use is" - that's like saying racism isn't real. I care. The point it to prove that this is a misconception, then everyone wins.
(I won't get into 911 debate)
ginolevino 1 month ago
@ginolevino The two quotes below from this nations’ Founding Father succinctly sums up where you and I disagree, they get right to the crux of the matter. What does the term "liberty" mean to you?
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences of attending too much liberty than those attending to small a degree of it.” - Thomas Jefferson
“Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.” - Thomas Jefferson
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
@ginolevino Hence, that tempestuous sea of liberty means letting the man wearing belts full of ammo and several guns on his way. Sure, the police can stop him, engage him in consensual casual conversation and see what he is doing but they may not detain him or his property without reasonable suspicion of a crime. Heck, they can even follow him overtly. That sir, is life in a truly free and liberty-loving society. You sir do not wish reside in such a place - I do.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
Finally what makes you think I didn’t already possess a concealed pistol license when I was detained? Did it ever occur to you that I went outside with the intention to bear arms. "A right not exercised is a right eventually lost." Like good little sheeple, already too many Americans are all too happy to exercise conceal carry thinking this privilege is the best thing since toilet paper and sliced bread not realizing it is a political sop, a concession, a bribe or pacifier, a mere trinket.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
@cmdriceman71
To make it worse most states require a license or permit either way permission to carry concealed making concealed carry a privilege not a right. So it's worse than a bribe because you have to get finger printed, background checked, (in some states) explain why you want one, AND pay a fee to have this done to you.
So open carry is the only right that you have in most states. Then when you do the cops want to stop and harass you.
I am defending your position. BTW
Freedom1man 1 month ago
@ginolevino The police do not have the authority to hold your liberty and property hostage in exchange for your privacy (i.e. name) when you have done nothing wrong. At that point they have become nothing more than terrorists with a badge. I do not negotiate or “cooperate” with terrorists. As agents of the State the burden of proof is upon the officer(s) to articulate (within a legal framework) why they are taking any of those aforementioned items away - in my case they failed to do so.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
@cmdriceman71
Remember in 2001 it was stated that the Terrorist are the ones who want to take away your rights and we are supposed to be fighting the terrorists.... Food for thought.
Freedom1man 1 month ago
@ginolevino Furthermore as a law-abiding citizen you have a right to privacy, a right to anonymity, and the presumption of innocence - in short you do not have to prove anything; the State must prove your guilt.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
Some states are “stop and identify” states, however Michigan isn’t one of them. It’s true a LEO can engage a citizen in casual conversation in an attempt to further “investigate” so as to ascertain whether criminal activity is afoot. But until officers have facts rising to the level of reasonable articulated suspicion of criminal activity they do NOT have the power to DETAIN a law-abiding citizen. In short they cannot hold you for 20 mins while they go on an unwarranted fishing expedition.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
@ginolevino Concealed carry IS the best thing for me since I do NOT attract any attention. I can go into a known bad area and appear same as the next "sheeple" to those that pray on peaceful citizens, as well as appear to mean no harm to the citizens themselves.
It is reasonable to assume that me walking down the street in the subdivision I live in, with guns showing, while kids run around and neighbors walk their dogs, would rise suspicion and calls to police would be made.
ginolevino 1 month ago
Likewise, I would have no problems explaining my business to the responding officers - I have nothing to hide.
We do not live in the "wild wild west". We do not have to fend from gangs trying to take our chickens and women. While it IS our right to bear arms, you have to do so WITHOUT disturbing peace. I cannot do that in my neighborhood. The old ladies peeking out the window won't even let me park my trailer in the driveway for one day (has to go on the side of the house)
ginolevino 1 month ago
@ginolevino concealed carry is right for u but u cant knock another person's choice of carry. You asked about walking through your subdivision and them calling the police on you, well my answer to this sir is that their not your neighbors. These people are just strangers who live in close proximity to you. I personallly oc in my neighborhood which is aproximately a total of 8 blocks long and 5 blocks wide and have no problems cause the people know me and are real neighbors.
GLIKEGUNS 2 weeks ago
@ginolevino I was there. This guy had on a Police Like reflective jacket,gun belt over the jacket across his back,2 guns on his back riding a bike.The 12th precinct has 2 parking lots he rode his bike back and forth for 45 min and when the police did not stop him he flipped his bike upstide down on the side walk next to front doors for 25 min. Finally when the police did not stop him he attempted to walk inside the precinct armed with 2 loaded guns. Hes unstable and appears mental.
TheBecksterburnie 1 month ago
@TheBecksterburnie I posted a long story about this guy this morning and just looked, it was erased. If you are going to post a story like this dont edit the audio tape and stop erasing negitive messages. Stop looking for a lawsuit.
TheBecksterburnie 1 month ago
Great work, you are a modern day hero.
sonotover 1 month ago
Good job standing up for your rights brother. Knowledge is definitely power.
Also, I think all these negative comments may come from those who have hidden feelings and agendas towards certain groups of American citizens rights to bear arms. These peoples hatred clouds their ability to see a true patriot at work;standing up for his constitutional rights. Sad but true.
TheBlinked1 1 month ago
@TheBlinked1 Thank you for your support, it means a great deal to me. And yes, youre correct in that some citizens simply do not understand how important it is to stand up for one's rights. Rarely are a people's rights taken away in one fell swoop.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago
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slickman911 1 month ago
You held up very well considering the gross intimidation, asking questions instead of answering them. Masters ask questions, subjects answer. Always ask questions, avoid answering them. Check out "theAntiTerrorist" videos here on YouTube.
snowbird29803 1 month ago
There should be IQ tests for cops.
TGLymantaiste 1 month ago
showed them your id... pussy !!
akaknocksville 1 month ago
@akaknocksville I presented my I.D. only because I was under the impression that I'd broken the law by riding a bicycle without a license. I presented my I.D. so he could write me a ticket for that, but I never presented my I.D. for openly carrying handguns.
However instead of hurling insults, I am more interested in what you would've done. You now have the luxury of knowing how things would turn out; I did not.
cmdriceman71 1 month ago 2
License for a BIKE?! WTF!?!?!
That is part of your RIGHT TO TRAVEL!!
Freedom1man 1 month ago
@Freedom1man indeed you are correct sir.
ThunderRyke 1 month ago
@ThunderRyke
There has been talk about registering bicycles in different cities in my state. It would not a be license for the rider only for the bike. However it would, in effect, make it illegal for anyone from outside the city to ride through those cities.
So what does a the testing for a license to ride a bicycle entail?
Freedom1man 1 month ago
@Freedom1man it entails a new world order that is going to be here, soon. we gotta stand up for our damn rights. people like me and you are tryin to make people aware.
ThunderRyke 1 month ago
@ThunderRyke
So you've seen my videos then, I take it. Many people are upset by my actions. I guess I need to go a for a 2nd Amendment bike ride next time. I've done 2nd Amendment walks already. The police hate me for it.
Freedom1man 1 month ago
@Freedom1man yeah great vids! and yes of course they do, they think they ARE the law, not upholding it.
ThunderRyke 1 month ago
Good job.
MCAMETAL 1 month ago
U need a licenses to ride a bike since when lol thats fucked up.
TheGetsome92 2 months ago
What a fuck face cop that's as articulate as a two year old
gunsmoto7 2 months ago
This cop is doing a lot of axing.
withmyeye 2 months ago
You open carry "enthusiasts" are going to cause Obama to take away all of our guns.
guntpunch 2 months ago
@guntpunch "When the people fear the government you have tyranny……
When the government fears the people you have liberty." - President Thomas Jefferson
The very cowardice that you exhibit in your aforementioned comment is how and why politicians have become so emboldened as to continue to usurp citizens’ God-given right to keep and bear arms. Too many Americans exercise their rights as if they were privileges bestowed by the government.
cmdriceman71 2 months ago
@cmdriceman71 You have so much faith in the Second Amendment to prevent a tyrannical takeover. Yet so LITTLE faith in the REST of the Constitution which guarantees, through a rather ingenious system of checks and balances proposed by Locke and embraced by our Founding Fathers, that no such takeover will EVER occur in the United States.
You're a damn Hollywood-watching fool if you think it's YOUR guns and not OUR CONSTITUTION which prevent such an occurrence.
Looking for trouble.
Valyn66 1 month ago
@cmdriceman71 I'm sorry but these officers exercised enormous restraint and trust when they realized that a holstered open carry firearm is probably the least of your worries, and treated you respectfully with non-confrontational questions in response to 911 calls about a man with a gun. They knew what was up, and if you had extended the same courtesy as professional and human beings, there wouldn't have been any confrontation.
You give gun owners a bad name and that includes me.
Valyn66 1 month ago
@cmdriceman71 you are right on
pinghead105 1 month ago
@guntpunch First Obama can't take away all our gun rights, because it is in the Constitution. Second if he did it wouldn't be because of Open Carry advocates exercising there God given right, it would be because the were going to take them away anyway. You need to make more sense when you talk. Open Carry is legal in most states period. These cops where violating this guys rights and harassing him.
pinghead105 1 month ago
The policemen did take my guns and they ran the serial numbers to ensure they were registered and belonged to me. The problem with that is that they had no reasonable suspicion of a crime. In the state of Michigan, as long as citizens are conducting themselves in a lawful manner police don’t have the authority to detain them or demand I.D.. In short citizens have a right to anonymity. Research the 4th Amendment and the history behind it and then you’ll see "what’s wrong with that."
cmdriceman71 2 months ago
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MrNomo7 2 months ago
good job otherwise...
altops 2 months ago
dont open carry because of this , because you become a target for all.
altops 2 months ago
I agree with the statement you were trying to make but clearly you were probing for a reaction from the police seeing as your riding around with two handguns and some type of audio recorder. I could see one but two? Its really not practical in a self defense situation and probably will cause more harm but anyways i suppose you always have an audio recorder because you dont trust the police and blah blah
penguinfarm3 2 months ago
@penguinfarm3 Read: "The Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry" - by Massad Ayoob pages 200-202 "Seven Rational Reasons to Carry A Back Up Gun."
The police record themseleves with dashboard cameras so as to preempt any second guessing by prosecutors or defense attorneys when they have to use their weapon. When my life is hanging in the balance in a court of law after a self-defense shooting, my recording may be the only thing that's keeps me from going to prison. How is that impractical?
cmdriceman71 2 months ago 2
@penguinfarm3 Do you live in detroit? didnt think so...If you lived here you would understand that two guns is completely practical for self defense...
jakeryan1888 2 months ago
nice guns.
MrJoehenry44 2 months ago
Nothing wrong for excising your right to bear arms by open carrying but was it worth going through all that hassle??? i bet you dont open carry anymore while rideing your bike
sectorzero2010 2 months ago
@sectorzero2010 You have bet wrong then. Too many people have died over the centuries fighting for the rights you and I now enjoy. What kind of man would I be to exhibit cowardice in the face of tyranny and casually toss aside the sacrfices of all those who came before me because it might be not be worth the hassle?
cmdriceman71 2 months ago 7
good job, keep working at protecting your rights
vicg1 2 months ago
Are these guys seriously law enforcement officers? Sound like hip hop artists..haha
usamarshal 2 months ago
@usamarshal Thanks for the laugh! lol
cmdriceman71 2 months ago
@usamarshal those stupid ass cops sound like your average hood ass nigger, most detroit cops are
jakeryan1888 2 months ago
Bicycle license? Is that where we are as a nation now? "Let me see your breathing license please or we'll have to take this to another level".
carp1844 2 months ago
@carp1844 Lmao. You jest now about a breathing license, but if we dont push to have our senators and congressional representatives get rid of the EPA your joke could one day become a sobering reality.
cmdriceman71 2 months ago
This cop makes knowledgeable cops look bad. This cop is on stop away from hurting someone real bad.
carp1844 2 months ago
Nice video. Nice pair of .45s also
R1Beowulf 2 months ago
I have mad respect for Detroit police. HOWEVER If you are openly carrying 1, 2, or even 3 pistols the police do not have a right to stop you unless they feel you are in the "wrong doing" a guy riding his bike simply openenly carrying is not "doing wrong" I disagree this officer he is just being a total dick. If you have a CPL you have to identify it upon police presence. If he said no then the officer should presume that he does not. AND you DO NOT have to have ID. UNLESS you are driving.
rbrice15 2 months ago
@rbrice15 MCL 28.425f (3) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol and who is carrying a concealed pistol and who is stopped by a peace officer shall immediately disclose to the peace officer that he or she is carrying a pistol concealed upon his or her person or in his or her vehicle.
It was clear from the beginning I wasn't carrying a concealed pistol, even the officers who stopped me said as much, thus the aforementioned statute didn't apply to me.
cmdriceman71 2 months ago
4:55 A bike license? Really?
5:04 No, you don't need to have an ID on you. You only need to have an ID when you are operating a motor vehicle. You're on a bike, ergo, you don't need any form of ID. All you're legally bound to do (as far as I know) is state your name. Nothing more.
5:35 He should not be able to issue you a citation even if there is some crazy bike license law on the books. He had no probably cause to stop and search you. (I did see that the bike license was repealed 2+ yrs ago).
ghotioutofh2o 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o If I can recall a few years ago there was talk in Detroit about making it a crime if you were over the age of 18 and did not carry some form of I.D. within the city limits. However this didnt mean you had to actually present it to a LEO when stopped without reasonable suspicion, but you at least had to be in possession of said I.D.
cmdriceman71 2 months ago
@cmdriceman71 Did the talk turn into an ordinance?
ghotioutofh2o 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o What's more, "probable cause" is when a LEO has enough evidence to make an arrest while "reasonable suspicion" is when a LEO has some hard or factual evidence (that can be presented or articulated in a court of law) that a crime has happened, is currently happening or is imminent. I already knew that the officers in question had neither.
cmdriceman71 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o if you listen to the beginning of the clip this was an open and close case i find that several citizens openly carry just to create situations like such. when faced with situation like this i just ask a few probing questions to find out the mental/emotional capacity (which is well within reason) and provided the civilian cooperates I engage in no further investigation. But yes you are required by law to posses a valid State ID and present it to law enforcement upon request.
detroitundertaker 2 months ago
@detroitundertaker "...you are required by law to posses a valid State ID and present it to law enforcement upon request." Perhaps the carrying of ID varies by state. I'll give you that one.
By your own implications, the open-carrying people that you encounter are guilty until proven innocent. I don't know what they taught you LEO school, but that's not the way the US works [or should work].
I may be misunderstanding you. Please use proper punctuation to help avoid confusion.
ghotioutofh2o 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o Lol, my apologies, using mobile device. However, all im saying is its my job to investigate abnormal situations. Yes civilians are innocent, but proper investigation should take place. Putting yourself in the position of a potential victim if you are taking your child out of the car and someone on a bike harms you and your child, but no more than five minutes ago a police officer came in contact with the perp and didn't even bother to investigate him how would you take that
detroitundertaker 2 months ago
@detroitundertaker Too bad abiding by the law is abnormal.
I would take that as the victim should be aware of his surroundings and should be carrying too.
What you are trying to accomplish with these random "investigations" is taking away liberty for the [false] sense of security. And as we know, those who give up the former for the latter deserve neither.
Correction: more than half the violence in the city of Detroit could be prevented if more law-abiding citizens were armed.
ghotioutofh2o 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o I truly enjoy this dialogue as i welcome other perceptions. Abiding by the laws is not abnormal however certain laws do impede safety. A man walking down the street with an AR-15 is legal but abnormal to see and just as an LEO i would investigate.
detroitundertaker 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o Just as if someone driving a car swerves just a little an LEO may initiate a stop just to investigate the state of the driver although an occasional swerve is not against the law. Although it doesn't stop crime it gives police presence it tells criminals that the police are out looking and citizens that we are making an attempt.
Although i whole heatedly support cpl licensing i don't think in fact i know that more cpl holders would not prevent crime.
detroitundertaker 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o My father (who is LE) and mother were robbed at gun point my two individuals who her spotted by they were on them to quick to draw his weapon and his good judgement of not drawing possible saved my mothers life.Im not so sure although citizens a re legally caring that they have that good judgement variable ive seen fist have numerous situations gone bad a cpl holder shot because he is trying to draw after the perp is already on him. So maybe more bodies would just start turning up
detroitundertaker 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o more than half of the violence in the city of Detroit could be prevented if LE was allowed to do more proactive maintenance i can't tell you how many times I seen a situation where i KNEW it was gonna go bad but we couldn't do anything because of a law or something impeding real police work (arresting a child support case, while a child rape is in progress) it pisses me off !!!
detroitundertaker 2 months ago
@ghotioutofh2o law enforcement officers are put in place to look for abnormal situations and investigate carrying two gun open is not normal. People always say someone is being killed while we are harassing but a simpleton trying to prove a point tied up a unit. because by law we should be out investigating its called being proactive. How would i feel as LE if i just waved to a guy with to guns then later on a call comes across of a violent crime committed buy the same guy
detroitundertaker 2 months ago
Thank you for doing this Cmdr. We all need to do our part.
dazednconfused75 2 months ago
I hope you sue.
diggingforgold 2 months ago
stupid question maybe, but why in the name of god are you carrying to handguns at the same time?
useless241 2 months ago