I didn't know boxing yourself into a small room was considered freedom. framework is only the standard forwhich you mesure things through fixed orientation. atheism is the way in which your free to look at things objectively, taking into account of the good... and the bad. From that develops individual moral views. by extension, atheism grows moral standards based upon adaptative perception.
atheism can offer freedom from ignorance. by definition, atheism is the lack of a belief, yet somehow you expect that it should be able to offer some sort of answer. And theist doesn't ALWAYS find some sort of emotional or psychological comfort from religion, don't always presume that religion would effect everyone in an optimum way. the greatest minority is the individual.
"Atheism offers me nothing because it doesn't need to. Because I never asked it to. You don't need religion or to have faith. You just want it because you need to feel safe. I want to feel reality and nothing more. Atheism offers everything, that religion has stolen before." Atheism Offers Nothing To Me, by Nesren.
"Atheism offers me nothing because it doesn't need to. Because I never asked it to. You don't need religion or to have faith. You just want it because you need to feel safe. I want to feel reality and nothing more. Atheism offers everything, that religion has stolen before." Atheism Offers Nothing To Me, by Nesren.
How can a framework have any room for freedom ?? It is a framework... how stupid can you get then that? Try to understand the meaning of framework and when you do you will realize oh shit there are no rooms for freedom here.... We atheist don't need a stupid framework to guide freedom...
people are prisoners of society chained by democracy and religion, these are the things people need to obey. atheists are not chained by religion and some would be happy if they would cut loose from democracy, because when that happens a human is free! no corrupt society and brainwashing religions! Atheism is the first step to freedom, we dont believe, but we hope that someday humans will return where they belong, not controlled by democracy and religions! you are mindfucked bro!
Thanks for clearing that atheism has no framework. This is to say that any one that lives any life can be an atheist. It also means that an atheist has no world views to follow-- except for disbelief in a deity. A frame is a boundary, meaning you are not free. Consider being a pig in a pen, unable to escape. Those of a lower mind might consider themselves free, but anyone that understands crap could see that they aren't. Now consider that you set the pen up yourself.
Exactly...there is no framework or authority..therefore giving you the freedom to believe what you wish..
A true Atheist will admit that they don't know how the world was formed or what happens after we die...a Theist will claim that they do know the answer--and will not venture out of that already set framework to explore other possibilities
I'll take the kind of freedom that is opposite to what religious monarchies have to offer.
It's freedom of thought because most religious followers and cult members police their own thoughts. Not in all cases but, once they leave, they feel free to think about things they at one time were afraid to.
Most atheist have a framework rooted in some other non religious idealology or ways of thought. The best way to put it is that it would be a [insert first name] ism. I mostly agree with your assessment, however, as i said in a similar video; calling ones self an atheist forces the person to create their own framework, which can be tougher in our society if you choose not to use a preset religious dogma. It takes work to recognize each piece. some don't know so they just say atheism.
You need to read the book "The Abolition of Man" by C.S Lewis. It greatly expands and adds to what you already say here.
I'm gonna send you a video of an audio-lecture given by a Christian theologian, who expounds on the book "The Abolition Of Man". This will make you see much further than what you already know. The audiobook of "The Abolition of Man" itself is on YouTube.
@mona8ify Yeah ok stupid ass. We are law abiding citizens who are held to the same moral standards as everyone else. A lot more theists in jail aren't there?
Who else agrees here that Scientology is the dumbest thing ever thought of, i mean the guy who came up with it was science fiction writer, F u tom cruise
Yet, Atheist have to live in a cold worldview that evolved into creation, for no reason, only expecting to die alone from the illusions of what was once called the universe
Atheist have to believe that life is all one big fucking delusion
Call that freedom, ok? but you surely can't call that valid happiness
I call it imprisoned to human will, cause thats all you have, theres no way for you to look beyond the framework of life.
@COREYBASSE The framework of life is all there is until you can prove otherwise. You are held to the same processes of existence they are whether you choose to believe that or not. Just because they don't accept your delusions doesn't make your life any more meaningful.
@COREYBASSE Ok, I sort of read what you said on my page before you removed it. My point is that even if it brings you comfort there is no real reason to believe in it. Also, other human beings exploit such needs and use it for evil things i.e. organized religion.
@ajax515 If we were just evolved to fail to exist, why would this realization for longing be built in us, to wonder, if I'm wrong, and I fail to exist in the end. My falsehood beliefs wouldn’t matter, because life didn’t matter, but the framework of life assures me, there is a major possibility for purpose, simply because I long for it. Is that reasoning? If not, I was made to be lost, and if your right, and we don’t exist in the end, we won't even know that life happened. So why give a shit.
@COREYBASSE I'm not sure what you meant by that first statement. If you are referring to the human imagination it exists through the human mind, which I admit is an awe inspiring thing. Sure there is a possibility for purpose, but not a certainty. The reason that I give a shit is that we have to live in the present. If this is the only life we get that doesn't make it any less valuable, if anything it makes it infinitely more. The practicality of Atheism is to live for this life, not the next.
@COREYBASSE Yeah, should I have gone on for several minutes about how interesting it is? Was that not a fitting tribute? Good grief indeed. There is also a possibility of a flying spaghetti monster as well which has been the point of some more famous Atheists. Well, if that is enough evidence for you to make an assumption fine for you. For us we keep a skeptic mind since many theists like to control others based on their interpretation of this hypothetical possibility.
you need to re asses what you think the word FREEdom means. free is the key part of this word. you talk about a framework. you are not free, within a framework. a framework sets boundaries, just like the walls of a prison does. atheism takes you out of that framework, and sets you free to think whatever.
@SatAdventures I attended a christian youth residentail (yes, im only 14) where we talked about this so I'll try and explain this as best as I can. God knows that people will fail him but the reason he created them in the first place is to give them the choice to live and choose to either follow him or not. It would be unfair to not give them that choice. Plus, he created people to love him and for him to love back so there cannot be love if there isn't an alternative?
To make a video about atheism you really only need to make it as long as it takes for you to utter the short definition of atheism, then you can stop the video and get on with life, rather than continuing on a 6-minute diatribe. You don't know by what framework atheist lives their lives, which values they hold, what they believe, what they offer themselves or anyone else. So what's the point of rambling on over a big straw man? It's just plain idolatry to devote so much time on it.
Most atheists have been trying to tell you Christians ALL ALONG that atheism really has no content, no framework, and doesn't tell you what to do. It's been CHRISTIANS that have tried to deem atheism a belief system, a religion — even one that leads to genocide (i.e. The Holocaust) — and attach more to it than what its definition entails. But atheism does give you the freedom to reject god, which in turns gives freedom to reject the chain-and-ball religions that are associated with gods. Easy.
A lot of religious people choose their believes based on what the religions "offer". Buddhism offers reincarnation, Scientology offers superpowers and Christianity offers heaven. In this specific sense, Atheism offers nothing. No afterlife, no psychic powers. And why should it? Why should "I'd like that to be true" have any relevancy for the actual truth of something?
the "frame work" of freedom is a way to control us u can say somthing but if u do somthing u can get arrested and i am free of religous practaces cuz i never let it control me freedom is dyeing
I'm an atheist, and you're completely correct. Atheism doesn't offer anything. It simply means you don't believe in gods. That's *it*. I almost hate calling myself an atheist, because so many atheists co-opt the word to mean their own personal life-philosophy. Atheism isn't even anti-religion; some Buddhists are atheists. It doesn't mean you're smart or rational. You can be an atheists for irrational reasons (maybe you believe an invisible unicorn told you gods don't exist).
Okay so your argument is that Atheism doesn't offer freedom because it doesn't have a framework? What kind of Orwellian doublespeak is that? It's like saying wild animals aren't free because they don't have cages.
Atheism, by definition, is the belief that there is no god. By this freedom is granted as you are not binded by religion. You are completely free to do whatever you want.
Christianity doesn't allow complete freedom, as if you don't follow the rules of the entire bible, then you (from the bible, not me) go to hell and suffer for all eternity, which i believe is firstly bullshit and secondly not free in the slightest.
By its very definition atheism gives freedom, Christianity prohibits freedom.
No religion, government, civil structure, anything with framework, country, etc. offers freedom. They only offer more or less restrictions than the others. Anarchy is the only 100% true freedom.
do you know what the word freedom means? How does Christianity offer freedom? Christianity has rules you must follow, thus that's not pure freedom. Atheism has pure freedom because there are no rules.
The entire Christian premise is for Earth to be destroyed to build Gods kingdom. Destructive, negative, and a stupid primitive savage murderer, that's you if you are Christian !
You are a liar. Christianity is mental slavery and is dangerous. Christianity causes death and misery. All of my family were killed by the maniacs, except for me, and attempts were made on my life by Christian zealots, unleashed upon us by my minister uncle who wanted all of the inheritance.It's a dangerous cult, Jim Jones, Heavens Gate, Westboro Baptist, all Christians are dangerous sociopaths.
@ArchhereticK Free thought?? Tell me what about existence informed you about this 'free thought' stuff?
Atheism allows for free thought? That doesn't even make sense. Your comparison of atheism with a specific religion or world view is nonsensical. A better fit would be atheism compared to theism. Neither of which have an inherit framework per se.
@TogetherForPeace Fair enough, you are completely correct. How about change atheism for non-religious.
Being non-religious allows for free thought. Not subscribing to a pre-concieved set of ideals allows for free thought.
But becoming non-religious for that specific reason would be disinegnuous. One can only be convinced of their beliefs by evidence or lack belief becuase of lack of evidence. Willfully changing ones belief becuase of what it "offers" is quite odd to say the least.
@TogetherForPeace Free thought = ability to question. You cannot, or will not, question god, the bible, or even his authority figures like the apostles. You cannot do that, because if you do, you no longer have faith or trust, or whatever label is being put to it now.
You have the freedom to question everything, even yourself, and what you thought about something last week.
Atheism doesn't give you these things, it's simply the absence of the constraints of religion.
-Can you define 'freedom' in the context of this video?
-Why are frameworks necessary for freedom?
-What should Atheism be more than a mere disbelief in the supernatural?
In the video you say that modern-day Atheism is apathetic because it only professes a disbelief in gods. Can you recall a time when it meant more than that? If so, what did it mean?
You little know-it-all! Irrespective of whether or not I believe in a higher being, both of my German born parents understood themselves to be atheistic “free-thinkers” (humanists). One consequence thereof was that they rejected the “Christian” antisemitic culture that they grew up in, helping, in more than one incidence the persecuted Jews in their country. Therefore, I as a German-American feel insulted by your blanket irrational hatred of non-believers. If heaven exits my parents are saved!
@scottwilks And yet there are some people that try to go over bord with it saying oh athiesim is the only religion. As well as other people saying well atheism has no limmits. Oh come on, its all about personal preffrence. Think about it, diffrent people that have diffent opions want to add something to a group or religion and find that there are others like that person. Would you want to just join in or leave well enough alone to your own ways?
There is something in what you're saying here - a lack of belief in god does not necessitate any particular position, it doesnt imply rational thought (there are many people who lose faith for illogical and irrational reasons), it doesnt "offer" freedom either.
But neither does christianity (or islam, which I found to be a comical example) - your belief comes down to "I have freedom because the boss says so" (hitchens paraphrase), that is not freedom.
True, atheism is *not* a belief system; however, to say atheists do not have belief systems themselves would be wholly inaccurate. Not all belief systems are theistic. Buddhism, Taoism, and secular humanism are all atheistic in nature.
I've got to agree with you here Jack, but only partly. Atheism can offer you freedom from a belief, as in rejecting it, but it offers no positive claims or framework of thought or philosophy.
I like to consider myself a sceptic who is also an atheist, because there are many atheists out there who are not sceptics, Bill Maher for example and then there's the new age believers who may not believe in a god. Good video.
Atheism merely gives one the freedom to let go of past superstitions that can hold people back from many things. Many theist are often limited to their own form of theism and any differences they hold against their own particular theism leads them from either contradiction their beliefs or denying themselves the things that may make them happy or better off. Its like the catholic who uses bc or is frustrated that they can't have sex b/c they aren't ready to be parents or can have more children.
You´re talking about freedom like it was a static condition, where you can chose to be free or not.... But maybe we must ask ourselves if that´s actually freedom... I mean, maybe under your specific system of ideas you´re defining the freedom as a condition that is given by an external source. Why not think that we are condemned to be free? Free to create or believe what ever we compromise with? When i choose something, even a simple idea, im choosing myself.
'...or any set view on the human condition.' Surely that's precisely why it offers freedom - because rather than presenting a stolid, uncompromising world view, it allows us to choose our own philosophy. I'm sure that some Christians can explore within their religion, but for others it prevents any philosophical thought, and it's to them that atheism offers freedom.
The lack of framework is the greatest feeling of freedom one will ever encounter. One does not need a framework to be rational, one does not need a framework to be free, in fact, the opposite is true.
That's fucking retarded - I feel far more liberated (free) as an agnostic than I ever had while grappling with Catholicism (the way I was raised) and Christianity. I no longer feel afraid for NOT knowing. I just believe that no God would INSIST that you believe and put so many obstacles in the way which would make you question or doubt his existence.
@twochordcool did He put those obstacles there..or are they obstacles that exist simply for us being in this mortal body? There is no requirement God has made of us to simply live out our lives.
If we transgress in this life (a fellony or even a misdemeanor)...is there not a road that must be travelled to arrive back at a place that society will accept us again? If anyone wants forgiveness...it takes effort. If you'd rather be free conciously...just don't care...you'll also reap what you sow.
You lose the right to decide how you feel about the actions and story of Jesus when you become Christian. Likewise for Mohammed. Haha, Islam literally means submission, BTW, which is kind of a funny thing to say that submission is freedom. Let the religious make sense of that.
In any case, the founding fathers rejected Christianity by and large and that is the reason the USA has freedom.
Lastly, from our perspective, you are just like us, except subject to the rules established in a book.
@countertreason I can understand where freedom can be a concept of submission. Lets say for instance that your heart yearns for a loving relationshiip with somebody. You have known them for years & it hurts to be apart from them. You have never told them your love for them but have always been there for them. Your heart keeps pulling you towards them but your mind keeps resisting. You submit one day & speak of your love for them. Your submission to love is the freedom of your heart.
@hexusziggurat Well, that all assumes that Nietzsche is wrong when he speaks of self-tyranny. Admittedly he says all people tyrannize themselves with one overriding instinct; further that he speaks out consistently against Christianity and hence is biased on our side.
In any case, that sounds to me like some form of lesser instincts tyrannizing them human spirit. I suppose for a 'romantic', that this may seem laudable. For me it sounds shameful and weak. No offense.
@twochordcool Haha, you have fallen in love with me. Everybody, this guy used my profile to follow me from another video to this one. Were you that hurt? Are you so ashamed of yourself? I don't blame you, don't get me wrong, but I wonder why you don't just change yourself instead of being so wretched and hating others for pointing it out?
@countertreason well i wasn't trying to offer a "bulletproof solution" ...even if weak or shameful...it would still qualify under the brainstorming process of finding a suitable example. I wasn't trying to be romantic but merely thinking of a qualifier...i'm sure there'd be more but that was the first that came to mind.
@countertreason True! I don't think emotion has a place in the word of "cold" science as it were. Though things such as faith, honor, love, forgiveness definately have a solid place in the world even when they have no place in scientific process.
@hexusziggurat Alright. Religion can be viable on that level I suppose then. Or atleast the proposition that submission is freedom and this fella and possibly yours religious' beliefs.
Plus, to say you don't need to be an atheist to be free from a particular set of beliefs and religious practices is recurring, because any other religion you are on too ALSO has its set of beliefs and religious practices. Only atheism offers you freedom, definitely, from any set of beliefs and religious practices, any world view, any unquestionable supposed truths, any ways of living your own life. Atheism does not offer freedom, it offers ALOT of freedom
What the heck are you talking about?? Freedom is not about providing a framework or a set of rules, nor changing the definition of freedom to: living a kind of life. You're talking as if to give you freedom, I'd have to give you something to do. Do you know what is freedom? To say I'm FREE from something? I'm FREE from religious rules? FREE from oppressed religious "truths"? To say you're free from something, is all but to say that this something entails you to something, you are... WRONG WAY
many atheists (though not all) like to boast that atheism is always associated with logic and rationality, (which it can be in some cases) BUT really this is just a cop out. Logic and rationality come independantly of beliefs or lack thereof. Some atheists indeed ARE rational and others aren't. Some theists (meaning theism the umbrella term that covers Islam and christianity, not general theism) are NOT rational and some ARE. we should stop asserting that atheism comes with logic and rationality
There are alternatives to religion and atheism. I agree with Bill Hicks and David Icke who say/said that we are all one consciousness having different experiences. As for 9/11 - absolute inside job!
How is a non-belief in anything not FREEDOM from a belief in that thing? While I agree that Atheism makes few positive assertions about "man's search for meaning" - POSITIVE ASSERTIONS occupy a very small minority of what makes me me. If you draw a circle on a sheet of paper and put all of the believers (irrespective of their religion) that you know within that circle - when I say that I am Atheist, I instantly put myself outside of your circle. I am at that moment FREE OF YOUR CIRCLE.
I agree with you. I'm tired of all of this stupid "rationality" business as a part of the atheist argument. They accuse us of telling others what is right and wrong and shoving it down people's throats, when in reality they are telling US what's rational and what's not rational. Wha???? That's not freedom. God gave us free will, it's what we do with that free will that determines our character.
Atheism is just an concept. It doesn't have a book telling you what you can or cannot do. Your freedoms are then given to you by society. Basically it gives you the freedom to choose any freedom you want.
"The belief itself means nothing" maybe to you. It doesn't have a framework but individual atheists have their own beliefs. Your belief in god isn't exactly the same as every other christian.
Your really defensive when other people express their beliefs. God forbid anyone try to take the word "god" out of the pledge though.
Like what i said this atheist are the one who make worst to all religions because they are attacking with their non-sense words to claim their is no God. What a sick lame atheist. We have been united already to God and who here?! the idiot monkey atheist are the sick of all religions. Now, all of you who have faith in God beware this apes atheist they have a monkey business in you.
@theoriginal001 Yeah just like Christians go around linching gays and blacks. Your describing the fanatics of the group and its not really fair to the group itself.
If you think all atheists are like that, you obviously don't know many. All i ever see from Christians on youtube is them getting defensive about their beliefs and spreading lies about atheism. It would still be foolish to assume they are all like that.
Not really there is no real freedom i am sorry but that just isnt really true. Atheistism is lack belief in god and leads to a open mind too learn anything but your christians views dont allow you too learn other doctrine your stuck with one book one sorce of information and reject others so whos free here exactly not you comrade i would love to debate you on this.
Do you even know the definition of the word Freedom? Or is this guy airing this video on opposite day or some shit?
Example A: You know why i have more freedom then you? Because i can yell out FUCK JESUS CHRIST at anytime i want and there will be no rule saying i cannot.
@ProgressiveGuitarist Lol that was exactly what came to my mind!! Opposite day! Let's keep it coming: I am free from work when I work because my work offers me things to do and goals to follow. Not being on work offers me nothing so it doesn't offer me any freedom at all. Hey! We're fucked: Prisonners are free because their prisons offers them space in which to live in, whereas not being a prosonner offers you NOTHING by itself, how can it offer me freedom, if it offers me nothing?? AAHHHH!
@TogetherForPeace i would have to agree.Christianity does have frame work. it is a life style. atheism does not = freedom. its a life style. there belief is that there is no god... but their ideas fluctuate according to how they feel during a set time. you know i get this shit all the time " Christianity is oppression and blindness and following .." well my understanding is that i dont allow my self to be led. people who join the military allow themselves to be led.its ones own choice to be led-
@TogetherForPeace many people believe that its for the right choices. people join the military because they have this assumption that its the right thing to do. i play this series of games called Metal Gear Solid. in M.G.S. 3 i learned that soldiers only have one thing in mind and can count on that one thing to always be true. that truth is " The Mission". i am an atheist. i live my life according to what I .. think is right. does it equal freedom, no. it offers freedoms but not freedom itself
Freedom? Like the freedom to kill your daughter if she isn't a virgin on wedding night? Or freedom to kill your neighbor if he works on the Sabbath Day? The only reason atheists say they have freedom is because they aren't constrained by religious rules and its supposed "Absolute Morality." I wish people like this (obviously intelligent individuals) would put their mind to the greater good of humanity, rather than sponsoring a storybook of myths which only threatens eternal damnation.
Offers freedom, yup... and it makes sense. You aren't forced to believe that some creature controls your future, although it can't control our actions?!... we do what we want to, shouldn't we free our minds from what the fucking society want us to be? Freedom is found in atheism... because you are able to think for yourself, be good or be bad at your own risk, and just be a NORMAL human being without the physcological chains that are enforced with religions.
Sure, atheism is only a word indicating that you are not a theist. There is no ideology or method attached that describes why or how this is rationalized. And just as theism doesn't have a "purpose" neither does atheism. However, when an atheist says "Atheism offers freedom" and means freedom from the external restraints imposed by various applications of theism, they are correct. This is also the only logical way to define "freedom" in the atheistic context.
Just because you don't have the capacity to see the truth because of all the lies you were told as a kid that you can't live without because that ruins your whole view on how you are better than someone else. The only reason you do all this is because you want people to know that you are a devout Christian, you want people to know that you are going to heaven and we are not. You know you aren't going to change any atheists minds, so your are coming on here and telling lies to help you sleep.
So atheism doesn't give you freedom in itself but it doesn't hinder you as you can be hindered by religion --- and I would really like to see what "rational thought" is found in theism that is absent from an atheist ...
So theism in any sort has frameworks that prescribe action and behavior - but that in your view offers MORE freedom than being free from such restraints -- in itself atheism doesn't give freedom - but it doesn't restrain it as theism does to varying extent
and you can't have your own definition of "theism" and apply it to the common definition
i also agree with JollSSter about how islam does NOT offer freedom whatsoever, what is the penalty of apostasy in the islam? DEATH! so how can you possibly call that freedom? very simple... it can NOT!
"it doesnt offer rational thought it doesnt offer intellectual thought" ???? are you kidding me? did you know the story of jesus is similar to alot of other stories of different figures in the ancient times? how can you possibly say it doesnt offer rational thinking? so christianity offers rational and intellectual thought? when alot of things can not even be proven.. im done watching your vids.. you have already debunked yourself by those words..
Atheism does offer freedom. It offers the freedom to question the ideals of various religions. It offers freedom from the life guidelines that tell YOU what to do. For example the ten commandments (although in the right place morally) guide and tell you what you can and can not do. That is a restriction in essence. Atheists are free of things like this. Whether they choose to keep good morals in doing so will vary obviously from person to person. That, however is not strictly applied to atheists
So, not having a framework makes someone less free? So, only cattle in holding pens are free? I just don't seem to see logic in saying that NOT being forced to do things in a set way and NOT having a framework that is, at best, counter-productive, can be defined as anything but freedom... Just a thought.
So, not having a framework makes someone less free? So, only cattle in holding pens are free? I just don't seem to see logic in saying that NOT being forced to do things in a set way and NOT having a framework that is, at best, counter-productive, can be defined as anything but freedom... Just a thought.
As people evolve and intelligence grows, the concept of Gods will continue to become less relevant. You'll see that atheism is growing in direct association with advances in science and technology. That's not a coincidence. Unfortunately, it'll take two or three generations to wash out this delusion, just like bigotry and racism isn't completely gone, but it's not as bad as it was two generations ago. Patience.
Atheism is the wrong word to use for this question, since it is only describes non belief with regards to a god claim. It wouldnt make much sense to say, what does not playing golf offer me?
You could ask what does philisophical naturalism or secular humanism offer, because these are positive descriptions rather than a negative response to a belief claim.
I don't have to go to church, I don't have to be scared to go to hell. I don't have to pray. I can stand against others' views instead of being focused on "my god is the right thing" and "nothing else".
I'm free from a lot of things people with religion are bound to by "rules".
OK, I am an Atheist. I am free from the fear of "burning in hell" for the smallest things. I am free from being judged by a "God" who tells you not to judge others. There is a view of humanity, it's called being a Humanist. We see people as just that, people we do not see boarders, we do not see colours, we do not see class.
if theism suppresses one's freedom only then can be said that atheism offers freedom. if a muslim woman who isn't free to wear jeans pant became an atheist, she would certainly be freer because she can wear it as an atheist...countless other examples exist about religion suppressing freedom...so y can't one say atheism offers freedom wherever religion suppresses freedom?
Your whole concept of freedom here is pretty much abstract. Sorry to say.
Freedom is not relative to a religion or belief.
No religion, or lack of it, can offer freedom in any way. Freedom is primarily related to who you are and how much will and inteligence you have to make your own life become something enjoyable, despite the political system you live in.
And no one is imprisoned in the 911 conspiracy. That doesn't even make sense.
How can you drive the point that atheists try to impose positive values onto atheism and yet you have a problem with atheists having apathy, that they dont care about anything? These are contradictory points.
Disagree. Lets take your example. Okay, there is no framework, so yes I can make my own framework and I can design my own house. In a theistic environment you are given that framework and then your told to break it is a sin or going against the divine law. I think that's the freedom some atheist consider, the ability to make your own framework, that's more freedom in my opinion. But I'm interested on what you think on that point.
While interesting, you keep making the mistake over and over again which completely undermines your assertion.
That is you claim atheism is a positive belief. It is not. It is merely a lack of a belief in a god or gods. That is all. There are some strong atheists who will say there is no God (and will provide evidence to back up that assertion) but they are not the norm.
Atheism is a lack of belief not a belief. As such it frees the atheist to make their own mind up, unencumbered by belief.
You're a bit of a bummer dude. Though your thoughts are technically correct in many regards, you should try to focus on the positives of what atheism has to offer. Atheism doesn't offer rational thought, but that said most atheists do think rationally in my humble experience, and see the world more clearly then those looking through the lens of religion.
Atheism offers freedom from negative states of mind imposed by other religions (but Christianity mostly); freedom from the guilt of beliving that you're a sinner. Freedom from the hope of heaven and the fear of hell. Freedom from incredulity, believing in and dedicating your life to something for no good reason.
and ask some of the prisoners of war in israel during the crusades or now whether atheism would make them free - well if they were atheists themselves it wouldn't make them free but if humanity was atheistic i think these wars wouldn't happen /have happend and they wouldn't be in prison = freedom
Atheists who claim atheism offers freedom are probably referring to freedom of thoughts that religious beliefs tend to restrict. Freedom from fear of divine judgement, or Hell if you stray. I've witnessed these fears weigh heavy on Christians that thought they were not doing God's will.
I'm an atheist, but I agree, simply saying atheism offers freedom is not a well thought out statement to make. Atheism is lack of belief in deities and religious dogma. Nothing more.
Is this supposed to make sense? You're free because your religion tells you how to be free? This is honestly one of the most idiotic arguments I've ever heard.
What does this have to do with 9/11 conspiracy crap?
Some of us have the ability to provide our own meaning and motivation, we don't need a big daddy in the sky to tell us how to be human.
@Zepher50 so your telling me i have no morals and i am evil? i think i can say what is right and wrong. i don't need a religion to gain morals. My freedom is only restricted by the government. unlike a religious person, yours is by religion and government. no disrespect. i have respect for all religions across this globe but i just have a hard time believing it all. my life has been good with out a religion so far.
I never said you were evil and I never said you didn't have morals. I said you can't have absolute morals.
What I'm saying is you have no absolute morals. An atheist's morals can only be based on what the majority of people (or the atheist as an individual) beleives in at the moment. Since beleifs are almost always subject to change the idea of an atheists layng claim to unchanging morals can't be obtained because it becomes an opinion not a fact. I am limited to church and state if I choose.
@Zepher50 And this absolute moral is that important. things are always subject to change. i base whats right and wrong on personal experience and what is happening at the time. but i do agree some morals should be absolute morals but not all.
@Zepher50: There are no 'absolute morals.' Morals are endemic to the culture you live in. There are some universal ideas of morality, such as killing is wrong, but even that is subjective to some cultures.
Its not moral relativism either. Its what Michael Shermer calls "Provisional Morality" in "Mind of the Market". That is, for most people, most of the time, across time and culture, there are some shared morals (shaped by evolution) - killing is wrong, stealing is wrong, sharing is good etc. There are time when it is ok to do these things - self defence, when you are starving, when you are being coerced to share etc.
Anything the theist thinks is a absolute morality is the result of evolution
Believing in something you have NO PROOF of is stupid.
TheUberAtheist 2 months ago
I didn't know boxing yourself into a small room was considered freedom. framework is only the standard forwhich you mesure things through fixed orientation. atheism is the way in which your free to look at things objectively, taking into account of the good... and the bad. From that develops individual moral views. by extension, atheism grows moral standards based upon adaptative perception.
Manguneshane 3 months ago
atheism can offer freedom from ignorance. by definition, atheism is the lack of a belief, yet somehow you expect that it should be able to offer some sort of answer. And theist doesn't ALWAYS find some sort of emotional or psychological comfort from religion, don't always presume that religion would effect everyone in an optimum way. the greatest minority is the individual.
MrSoleyn 4 months ago
"Atheism offers me nothing because it doesn't need to. Because I never asked it to. You don't need religion or to have faith. You just want it because you need to feel safe. I want to feel reality and nothing more. Atheism offers everything, that religion has stolen before." Atheism Offers Nothing To Me, by Nesren.
elgmalone 5 months ago
"Atheism offers me nothing because it doesn't need to. Because I never asked it to. You don't need religion or to have faith. You just want it because you need to feel safe. I want to feel reality and nothing more. Atheism offers everything, that religion has stolen before." Atheism Offers Nothing To Me, by Nesren.
elgmalone 5 months ago
So belief should be based on what it offers you, regardless of the facts? Even if it's not real?
elgmalone 5 months ago
How can a framework have any room for freedom ?? It is a framework... how stupid can you get then that? Try to understand the meaning of framework and when you do you will realize oh shit there are no rooms for freedom here.... We atheist don't need a stupid framework to guide freedom...
Blackjuicez 5 months ago
people are prisoners of society chained by democracy and religion, these are the things people need to obey. atheists are not chained by religion and some would be happy if they would cut loose from democracy, because when that happens a human is free! no corrupt society and brainwashing religions! Atheism is the first step to freedom, we dont believe, but we hope that someday humans will return where they belong, not controlled by democracy and religions! you are mindfucked bro!
troodon2 5 months ago
So, a prison also offers freedom because it has a very specific framework???
Meresortsitar 5 months ago
@Meresortsitar thats exactly what he explained. this guy is so ignorant.
troodon2 5 months ago
Thanks for clearing that atheism has no framework. This is to say that any one that lives any life can be an atheist. It also means that an atheist has no world views to follow-- except for disbelief in a deity. A frame is a boundary, meaning you are not free. Consider being a pig in a pen, unable to escape. Those of a lower mind might consider themselves free, but anyone that understands crap could see that they aren't. Now consider that you set the pen up yourself.
Xreaper2070 6 months ago
Exactly...there is no framework or authority..therefore giving you the freedom to believe what you wish..
A true Atheist will admit that they don't know how the world was formed or what happens after we die...a Theist will claim that they do know the answer--and will not venture out of that already set framework to explore other possibilities
23zzip 7 months ago
I'll take the kind of freedom that is opposite to what religious monarchies have to offer.
It's freedom of thought because most religious followers and cult members police their own thoughts. Not in all cases but, once they leave, they feel free to think about things they at one time were afraid to.
politicsthatmatter 9 months ago
oh wait.. i'm pretty sure Christians enslaved/burned/beheaded/tortured people over the centuries.. lol who needs freedom or life anyway...
werty302 9 months ago
Most atheist have a framework rooted in some other non religious idealology or ways of thought. The best way to put it is that it would be a [insert first name] ism. I mostly agree with your assessment, however, as i said in a similar video; calling ones self an atheist forces the person to create their own framework, which can be tougher in our society if you choose not to use a preset religious dogma. It takes work to recognize each piece. some don't know so they just say atheism.
Animeabe 9 months ago
You need to read the book "The Abolition of Man" by C.S Lewis. It greatly expands and adds to what you already say here.
I'm gonna send you a video of an audio-lecture given by a Christian theologian, who expounds on the book "The Abolition Of Man". This will make you see much further than what you already know. The audiobook of "The Abolition of Man" itself is on YouTube.
mishakol129 10 months ago
Why is this crap FEATURED on my video list?
Christianity is a prison of the mind. /story
ABitOfTheUniverse 10 months ago
atheist are just DOGS, coz they wana freedom of committing sin... simple !
mona8ify 10 months ago
@mona8ify Yeah ok stupid ass. We are law abiding citizens who are held to the same moral standards as everyone else. A lot more theists in jail aren't there?
ajax515 10 months ago
Well there is humanism, that is essentially atheism with some kind of framework.
Enzo012 11 months ago
Who else agrees here that Scientology is the dumbest thing ever thought of, i mean the guy who came up with it was science fiction writer, F u tom cruise
SuperStreetG 11 months ago
Atheism = FREEDOM FROM DELUSION
vozuluzov 11 months ago
@vozuluzov DELUSION?
Yet, Atheist have to live in a cold worldview that evolved into creation, for no reason, only expecting to die alone from the illusions of what was once called the universe
Atheist have to believe that life is all one big fucking delusion
Call that freedom, ok? but you surely can't call that valid happiness
I call it imprisoned to human will, cause thats all you have, theres no way for you to look beyond the framework of life.
COREYBASSE 11 months ago
@COREYBASSE DANG corey! you just shut him down!
SuperStreetG 11 months ago
@COREYBASSE The framework of life is all there is until you can prove otherwise. You are held to the same processes of existence they are whether you choose to believe that or not. Just because they don't accept your delusions doesn't make your life any more meaningful.
ajax515 10 months ago
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COREYBASSE 10 months ago
@COREYBASSE Ok, I sort of read what you said on my page before you removed it. My point is that even if it brings you comfort there is no real reason to believe in it. Also, other human beings exploit such needs and use it for evil things i.e. organized religion.
ajax515 10 months ago
@ajax515 If we were just evolved to fail to exist, why would this realization for longing be built in us, to wonder, if I'm wrong, and I fail to exist in the end. My falsehood beliefs wouldn’t matter, because life didn’t matter, but the framework of life assures me, there is a major possibility for purpose, simply because I long for it. Is that reasoning? If not, I was made to be lost, and if your right, and we don’t exist in the end, we won't even know that life happened. So why give a shit.
COREYBASSE 10 months ago
@COREYBASSE I'm not sure what you meant by that first statement. If you are referring to the human imagination it exists through the human mind, which I admit is an awe inspiring thing. Sure there is a possibility for purpose, but not a certainty. The reason that I give a shit is that we have to live in the present. If this is the only life we get that doesn't make it any less valuable, if anything it makes it infinitely more. The practicality of Atheism is to live for this life, not the next.
ajax515 10 months ago
@ajax515 "human mind, which I admit is an awe inspiring thing"
yep, just an awe inspiring thing, right? thats all it is?good grief.
"Sure there is a possibility for purpose"
well that possibility is enough for me to believe in.
COREYBASSE 10 months ago
@COREYBASSE Yeah, should I have gone on for several minutes about how interesting it is? Was that not a fitting tribute? Good grief indeed. There is also a possibility of a flying spaghetti monster as well which has been the point of some more famous Atheists. Well, if that is enough evidence for you to make an assumption fine for you. For us we keep a skeptic mind since many theists like to control others based on their interpretation of this hypothetical possibility.
ajax515 10 months ago
you need to re asses what you think the word FREEdom means. free is the key part of this word. you talk about a framework. you are not free, within a framework. a framework sets boundaries, just like the walls of a prison does. atheism takes you out of that framework, and sets you free to think whatever.
joryja 1 year ago
@SatAdventures my question is, if choosing God is life, and not choosing God is death, why do people continue to do it?
PHXGirl23 1 year ago
@SatAdventures I attended a christian youth residentail (yes, im only 14) where we talked about this so I'll try and explain this as best as I can. God knows that people will fail him but the reason he created them in the first place is to give them the choice to live and choose to either follow him or not. It would be unfair to not give them that choice. Plus, he created people to love him and for him to love back so there cannot be love if there isn't an alternative?
10mattthew10 1 year ago
@10mattthew10 ;-)
PHXGirl23 1 year ago
To make a video about atheism you really only need to make it as long as it takes for you to utter the short definition of atheism, then you can stop the video and get on with life, rather than continuing on a 6-minute diatribe. You don't know by what framework atheist lives their lives, which values they hold, what they believe, what they offer themselves or anyone else. So what's the point of rambling on over a big straw man? It's just plain idolatry to devote so much time on it.
Boy192 1 year ago
Most atheists have been trying to tell you Christians ALL ALONG that atheism really has no content, no framework, and doesn't tell you what to do. It's been CHRISTIANS that have tried to deem atheism a belief system, a religion — even one that leads to genocide (i.e. The Holocaust) — and attach more to it than what its definition entails. But atheism does give you the freedom to reject god, which in turns gives freedom to reject the chain-and-ball religions that are associated with gods. Easy.
Boy192 1 year ago
A lot of religious people choose their believes based on what the religions "offer". Buddhism offers reincarnation, Scientology offers superpowers and Christianity offers heaven. In this specific sense, Atheism offers nothing. No afterlife, no psychic powers. And why should it? Why should "I'd like that to be true" have any relevancy for the actual truth of something?
lagerbaer 1 year ago
@SatAdventures becuz christians r crazy
tgiacin435 1 year ago
the "frame work" of freedom is a way to control us u can say somthing but if u do somthing u can get arrested and i am free of religous practaces cuz i never let it control me freedom is dyeing
tgiacin435 1 year ago
I'm an atheist, and you're completely correct. Atheism doesn't offer anything. It simply means you don't believe in gods. That's *it*. I almost hate calling myself an atheist, because so many atheists co-opt the word to mean their own personal life-philosophy. Atheism isn't even anti-religion; some Buddhists are atheists. It doesn't mean you're smart or rational. You can be an atheists for irrational reasons (maybe you believe an invisible unicorn told you gods don't exist).
balios1 1 year ago
9/11 where did tha come from?
Had you Fucked a waman yet, you idtiot?
Is this Tea Party Christian Logic logic?
What School of Philosophy you get you degree from.
JerezJulio 1 year ago
Okay so your argument is that Atheism doesn't offer freedom because it doesn't have a framework? What kind of Orwellian doublespeak is that? It's like saying wild animals aren't free because they don't have cages.
BraninT 1 year ago
i agree with the idea but not necessarily the philosophical implications.
Christianity .. (good) --------------(bad) people operate within the limits and try to lean toward good
Islam... (good) -----------(bad) again, people will operate within the confines of the islamic view of morality, trying to be on the "good" side
atheism. (right) -------------(wrong) seems to be the left/right view, with people operating within law.
destin325 1 year ago
Leaving aside your utter incromprehension of atheism and what it offers, here's a thought: IT DOESN'T MATTER.
Truth isn't determined by which belief gives the bestest perks. It's determined by what is - wait for it - real.
A belief in Santa offers me free presents every year, while non-belief does not. According to you, I suppose I should start believing, then.
Kaderie 1 year ago
Atheism, by definition, is the belief that there is no god. By this freedom is granted as you are not binded by religion. You are completely free to do whatever you want.
Christianity doesn't allow complete freedom, as if you don't follow the rules of the entire bible, then you (from the bible, not me) go to hell and suffer for all eternity, which i believe is firstly bullshit and secondly not free in the slightest.
By its very definition atheism gives freedom, Christianity prohibits freedom.
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
You can't be serious.
BuiikiKaesu69 1 year ago
Atheism offers freedom from perverted structure of religion. It's that simple.
blackcloak666 1 year ago
No religion, government, civil structure, anything with framework, country, etc. offers freedom. They only offer more or less restrictions than the others. Anarchy is the only 100% true freedom.
dtsbmx 1 year ago
nothing can give you freedom, it can only be taken...any religion that offers you freedom is handing you a shackle.
Hexdoll 1 year ago
You have no idea what you're talking about. Your argument makes no sense and is completely self-defeating.
"Practicing" religion according to any "authority" inherently defeats the idea of being free.
Your just rambling and irrational.
slycotto66 1 year ago
do you know what the word freedom means? How does Christianity offer freedom? Christianity has rules you must follow, thus that's not pure freedom. Atheism has pure freedom because there are no rules.
luv4drums1 1 year ago
The entire Christian premise is for Earth to be destroyed to build Gods kingdom. Destructive, negative, and a stupid primitive savage murderer, that's you if you are Christian !
TheRealACvideos 1 year ago
You are a liar. Christianity is mental slavery and is dangerous. Christianity causes death and misery. All of my family were killed by the maniacs, except for me, and attempts were made on my life by Christian zealots, unleashed upon us by my minister uncle who wanted all of the inheritance.It's a dangerous cult, Jim Jones, Heavens Gate, Westboro Baptist, all Christians are dangerous sociopaths.
TheRealACvideos 1 year ago
It doesn't offer free thought, it allows for it. Every religion has a framework, a world view that you have to obey, you have to obey.
Atheism does not suffer from any such nonesense.
ArchhereticK 1 year ago
@ArchhereticK Free thought?? Tell me what about existence informed you about this 'free thought' stuff?
Atheism allows for free thought? That doesn't even make sense. Your comparison of atheism with a specific religion or world view is nonsensical. A better fit would be atheism compared to theism. Neither of which have an inherit framework per se.
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace Fair enough, you are completely correct. How about change atheism for non-religious.
Being non-religious allows for free thought. Not subscribing to a pre-concieved set of ideals allows for free thought.
But becoming non-religious for that specific reason would be disinegnuous. One can only be convinced of their beliefs by evidence or lack belief becuase of lack of evidence. Willfully changing ones belief becuase of what it "offers" is quite odd to say the least.
ArchhereticK 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace Free thought = ability to question. You cannot, or will not, question god, the bible, or even his authority figures like the apostles. You cannot do that, because if you do, you no longer have faith or trust, or whatever label is being put to it now.
You have the freedom to question everything, even yourself, and what you thought about something last week.
Atheism doesn't give you these things, it's simply the absence of the constraints of religion.
losghost 5 months ago
@TogetherForPeace Your comment makes no sense...
offwithurhead 2 months ago
@TogetherForPeace A few questions:
-Can you define 'freedom' in the context of this video?
-Why are frameworks necessary for freedom?
-What should Atheism be more than a mere disbelief in the supernatural?
In the video you say that modern-day Atheism is apathetic because it only professes a disbelief in gods. Can you recall a time when it meant more than that? If so, what did it mean?
Asganoth 2 months ago
You little know-it-all! Irrespective of whether or not I believe in a higher being, both of my German born parents understood themselves to be atheistic “free-thinkers” (humanists). One consequence thereof was that they rejected the “Christian” antisemitic culture that they grew up in, helping, in more than one incidence the persecuted Jews in their country. Therefore, I as a German-American feel insulted by your blanket irrational hatred of non-believers. If heaven exits my parents are saved!
alantjost 1 year ago
Im tired of people comparing athiesm as if it were a faction . it is simply the personal belief that god doent exists.
scottwilks 1 year ago
@scottwilks And yet there are some people that try to go over bord with it saying oh athiesim is the only religion. As well as other people saying well atheism has no limmits. Oh come on, its all about personal preffrence. Think about it, diffrent people that have diffent opions want to add something to a group or religion and find that there are others like that person. Would you want to just join in or leave well enough alone to your own ways?
Peter4101 1 year ago
Thumbed up (way too negative rated).
There is something in what you're saying here - a lack of belief in god does not necessitate any particular position, it doesnt imply rational thought (there are many people who lose faith for illogical and irrational reasons), it doesnt "offer" freedom either.
But neither does christianity (or islam, which I found to be a comical example) - your belief comes down to "I have freedom because the boss says so" (hitchens paraphrase), that is not freedom.
EnglishTMTB 1 year ago
You mention freedom within the context of a framework that includes some kind of overarching authority. WTF?
JamesMorlan 1 year ago
True, atheism is *not* a belief system; however, to say atheists do not have belief systems themselves would be wholly inaccurate. Not all belief systems are theistic. Buddhism, Taoism, and secular humanism are all atheistic in nature.
satanicwatermelon 1 year ago
I've got to agree with you here Jack, but only partly. Atheism can offer you freedom from a belief, as in rejecting it, but it offers no positive claims or framework of thought or philosophy.
I like to consider myself a sceptic who is also an atheist, because there are many atheists out there who are not sceptics, Bill Maher for example and then there's the new age believers who may not believe in a god. Good video.
dominictemple 1 year ago
Software is debugged to free it from failing.
thymefromti 1 year ago
Atheism merely gives one the freedom to let go of past superstitions that can hold people back from many things. Many theist are often limited to their own form of theism and any differences they hold against their own particular theism leads them from either contradiction their beliefs or denying themselves the things that may make them happy or better off. Its like the catholic who uses bc or is frustrated that they can't have sex b/c they aren't ready to be parents or can have more children.
Boudiga 1 year ago
"It offers nothing" nor does "it" purport to.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@BillKiernan
Well said. And that was the entire point of this video.
dominictemple 1 year ago
Then how do you explain that the vast majority of scientists are atheist?
panterguy 1 year ago
Has anyone ever noticed that religious people always have this "mildly insane" look about them?
Like a mild broken, manic sadness in their eyes.
Sad to see a broken mind in practice.
Treyb3yond 1 year ago
freedom isn't authority
authority doesn't offer you freedom thats oxymoron
curiositygun93 1 year ago
Hi!
You´re talking about freedom like it was a static condition, where you can chose to be free or not.... But maybe we must ask ourselves if that´s actually freedom... I mean, maybe under your specific system of ideas you´re defining the freedom as a condition that is given by an external source. Why not think that we are condemned to be free? Free to create or believe what ever we compromise with? When i choose something, even a simple idea, im choosing myself.
AlejandrovskiV 1 year ago
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AlejandrovskiV 1 year ago
'...or any set view on the human condition.' Surely that's precisely why it offers freedom - because rather than presenting a stolid, uncompromising world view, it allows us to choose our own philosophy. I'm sure that some Christians can explore within their religion, but for others it prevents any philosophical thought, and it's to them that atheism offers freedom.
PrawnSticks 1 year ago
The lack of framework is the greatest feeling of freedom one will ever encounter. One does not need a framework to be rational, one does not need a framework to be free, in fact, the opposite is true.
GaseousAnomaly001 1 year ago
That's fucking retarded - I feel far more liberated (free) as an agnostic than I ever had while grappling with Catholicism (the way I was raised) and Christianity. I no longer feel afraid for NOT knowing. I just believe that no God would INSIST that you believe and put so many obstacles in the way which would make you question or doubt his existence.
twochordcool 1 year ago
@twochordcool did He put those obstacles there..or are they obstacles that exist simply for us being in this mortal body? There is no requirement God has made of us to simply live out our lives.
If we transgress in this life (a fellony or even a misdemeanor)...is there not a road that must be travelled to arrive back at a place that society will accept us again? If anyone wants forgiveness...it takes effort. If you'd rather be free conciously...just don't care...you'll also reap what you sow.
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
You lose the right to decide how you feel about the actions and story of Jesus when you become Christian. Likewise for Mohammed. Haha, Islam literally means submission, BTW, which is kind of a funny thing to say that submission is freedom. Let the religious make sense of that.
In any case, the founding fathers rejected Christianity by and large and that is the reason the USA has freedom.
Lastly, from our perspective, you are just like us, except subject to the rules established in a book.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason I can understand where freedom can be a concept of submission. Lets say for instance that your heart yearns for a loving relationshiip with somebody. You have known them for years & it hurts to be apart from them. You have never told them your love for them but have always been there for them. Your heart keeps pulling you towards them but your mind keeps resisting. You submit one day & speak of your love for them. Your submission to love is the freedom of your heart.
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
@hexusziggurat Well, that all assumes that Nietzsche is wrong when he speaks of self-tyranny. Admittedly he says all people tyrannize themselves with one overriding instinct; further that he speaks out consistently against Christianity and hence is biased on our side.
In any case, that sounds to me like some form of lesser instincts tyrannizing them human spirit. I suppose for a 'romantic', that this may seem laudable. For me it sounds shameful and weak. No offense.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason But you're still a moron.
twochordcool 1 year ago
@twochordcool Haha, you have fallen in love with me. Everybody, this guy used my profile to follow me from another video to this one. Were you that hurt? Are you so ashamed of yourself? I don't blame you, don't get me wrong, but I wonder why you don't just change yourself instead of being so wretched and hating others for pointing it out?
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason well i wasn't trying to offer a "bulletproof solution" ...even if weak or shameful...it would still qualify under the brainstorming process of finding a suitable example. I wasn't trying to be romantic but merely thinking of a qualifier...i'm sure there'd be more but that was the first that came to mind.
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
@hexusziggurat Fair enough. I suppose it is an exception... though I accept it rather grudgingly.
I certainly don't believe it to be compatible with a scientific/reasonable approach to the world in any case.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason True! I don't think emotion has a place in the word of "cold" science as it were. Though things such as faith, honor, love, forgiveness definately have a solid place in the world even when they have no place in scientific process.
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
@hexusziggurat Alright. Religion can be viable on that level I suppose then. Or atleast the proposition that submission is freedom and this fella and possibly yours religious' beliefs.
countertreason 1 year ago
@hexusziggurat I stand corrected!
countertreason 1 year ago
Plus, to say you don't need to be an atheist to be free from a particular set of beliefs and religious practices is recurring, because any other religion you are on too ALSO has its set of beliefs and religious practices. Only atheism offers you freedom, definitely, from any set of beliefs and religious practices, any world view, any unquestionable supposed truths, any ways of living your own life. Atheism does not offer freedom, it offers ALOT of freedom
2CSST2 1 year ago
What the heck are you talking about?? Freedom is not about providing a framework or a set of rules, nor changing the definition of freedom to: living a kind of life. You're talking as if to give you freedom, I'd have to give you something to do. Do you know what is freedom? To say I'm FREE from something? I'm FREE from religious rules? FREE from oppressed religious "truths"? To say you're free from something, is all but to say that this something entails you to something, you are... WRONG WAY
2CSST2 1 year ago
Stupid Christian in denial.
metallicrazy8891 1 year ago
many atheists (though not all) like to boast that atheism is always associated with logic and rationality, (which it can be in some cases) BUT really this is just a cop out. Logic and rationality come independantly of beliefs or lack thereof. Some atheists indeed ARE rational and others aren't. Some theists (meaning theism the umbrella term that covers Islam and christianity, not general theism) are NOT rational and some ARE. we should stop asserting that atheism comes with logic and rationality
Sophiethefembot 1 year ago
There are alternatives to religion and atheism. I agree with Bill Hicks and David Icke who say/said that we are all one consciousness having different experiences. As for 9/11 - absolute inside job!
boogaloo80 1 year ago
How is a non-belief in anything not FREEDOM from a belief in that thing? While I agree that Atheism makes few positive assertions about "man's search for meaning" - POSITIVE ASSERTIONS occupy a very small minority of what makes me me. If you draw a circle on a sheet of paper and put all of the believers (irrespective of their religion) that you know within that circle - when I say that I am Atheist, I instantly put myself outside of your circle. I am at that moment FREE OF YOUR CIRCLE.
nephyrias 1 year ago
Why arent you a Muslim already?
UmuAbdullah 1 year ago
I agree with you. I'm tired of all of this stupid "rationality" business as a part of the atheist argument. They accuse us of telling others what is right and wrong and shoving it down people's throats, when in reality they are telling US what's rational and what's not rational. Wha???? That's not freedom. God gave us free will, it's what we do with that free will that determines our character.
fruitikay 1 year ago
Goddamn it Jack. Just goddamn it.
GallusSapien 1 year ago
Atheism is just an concept. It doesn't have a book telling you what you can or cannot do. Your freedoms are then given to you by society. Basically it gives you the freedom to choose any freedom you want.
AllAtheism 1 year ago
Very uncool man
If you can die for your country..........before you allowed alcohol
THAT is not FREEDOM
Atheism is not an organized thing man SO how on earth can it have
a framework man,their is NO BOX man....Religion is inside the Box
swinewarrior 1 year ago
What the F*ck does Atheism have to do whit freedom
And no country is free they only have rules and rights
TheBrotherOfSisters 1 year ago
"The belief itself means nothing" maybe to you. It doesn't have a framework but individual atheists have their own beliefs. Your belief in god isn't exactly the same as every other christian.
Your really defensive when other people express their beliefs. God forbid anyone try to take the word "god" out of the pledge though.
videosfromderelix 1 year ago
Like what i said this atheist are the one who make worst to all religions because they are attacking with their non-sense words to claim their is no God. What a sick lame atheist. We have been united already to God and who here?! the idiot monkey atheist are the sick of all religions. Now, all of you who have faith in God beware this apes atheist they have a monkey business in you.
theoriginal001 1 year ago
@theoriginal001 Yeah just like Christians go around linching gays and blacks. Your describing the fanatics of the group and its not really fair to the group itself.
If you think all atheists are like that, you obviously don't know many. All i ever see from Christians on youtube is them getting defensive about their beliefs and spreading lies about atheism. It would still be foolish to assume they are all like that.
videosfromderelix 1 year ago
Not really there is no real freedom i am sorry but that just isnt really true. Atheistism is lack belief in god and leads to a open mind too learn anything but your christians views dont allow you too learn other doctrine your stuck with one book one sorce of information and reject others so whos free here exactly not you comrade i would love to debate you on this.
wachnathan 1 year ago
Do you even know the definition of the word Freedom? Or is this guy airing this video on opposite day or some shit?
Example A: You know why i have more freedom then you? Because i can yell out FUCK JESUS CHRIST at anytime i want and there will be no rule saying i cannot.
Me: 1 You: 0
ProgressiveGuitarist 1 year ago
@ProgressiveGuitarist exactly!
wachnathan 1 year ago
@ProgressiveGuitarist Lol that was exactly what came to my mind!! Opposite day! Let's keep it coming: I am free from work when I work because my work offers me things to do and goals to follow. Not being on work offers me nothing so it doesn't offer me any freedom at all. Hey! We're fucked: Prisonners are free because their prisons offers them space in which to live in, whereas not being a prosonner offers you NOTHING by itself, how can it offer me freedom, if it offers me nothing?? AAHHHH!
2CSST2 1 year ago
Stupid Christian in denial.
0rangeFlamingo 1 year ago
@0rangeFlamingo No I'm not ...no I'm not!! lol :)
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace Yes you are ... yes you are!! lol :)
0rangeFlamingo 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace i would have to agree.Christianity does have frame work. it is a life style. atheism does not = freedom. its a life style. there belief is that there is no god... but their ideas fluctuate according to how they feel during a set time. you know i get this shit all the time " Christianity is oppression and blindness and following .." well my understanding is that i dont allow my self to be led. people who join the military allow themselves to be led.its ones own choice to be led-
hellsingorg2 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace many people believe that its for the right choices. people join the military because they have this assumption that its the right thing to do. i play this series of games called Metal Gear Solid. in M.G.S. 3 i learned that soldiers only have one thing in mind and can count on that one thing to always be true. that truth is " The Mission". i am an atheist. i live my life according to what I .. think is right. does it equal freedom, no. it offers freedoms but not freedom itself
hellsingorg2 1 year ago
Freedom? Like the freedom to kill your daughter if she isn't a virgin on wedding night? Or freedom to kill your neighbor if he works on the Sabbath Day? The only reason atheists say they have freedom is because they aren't constrained by religious rules and its supposed "Absolute Morality." I wish people like this (obviously intelligent individuals) would put their mind to the greater good of humanity, rather than sponsoring a storybook of myths which only threatens eternal damnation.
hannonja 1 year ago
Ignorance at it's worst.
Rational20 1 year ago
it is not an assertion.
but i agree. it doesnt offer anything but it doesnt have to.
Menla1 1 year ago
Offers freedom, yup... and it makes sense. You aren't forced to believe that some creature controls your future, although it can't control our actions?!... we do what we want to, shouldn't we free our minds from what the fucking society want us to be? Freedom is found in atheism... because you are able to think for yourself, be good or be bad at your own risk, and just be a NORMAL human being without the physcological chains that are enforced with religions.
gianinline 1 year ago
Sure, atheism is only a word indicating that you are not a theist. There is no ideology or method attached that describes why or how this is rationalized. And just as theism doesn't have a "purpose" neither does atheism. However, when an atheist says "Atheism offers freedom" and means freedom from the external restraints imposed by various applications of theism, they are correct. This is also the only logical way to define "freedom" in the atheistic context.
drakeghoul2 1 year ago
Just because you don't have the capacity to see the truth because of all the lies you were told as a kid that you can't live without because that ruins your whole view on how you are better than someone else. The only reason you do all this is because you want people to know that you are a devout Christian, you want people to know that you are going to heaven and we are not. You know you aren't going to change any atheists minds, so your are coming on here and telling lies to help you sleep.
Mgoodwin14 1 year ago
Oh my this guy is a nut...
America does have a framework that offers freedom.
Freedom for the separation of church and state for one. This freedom was set down by the founding fathers who knew the dangers of the church.
Look it up!
Roper122 1 year ago
...cont...
So atheism doesn't give you freedom in itself but it doesn't hinder you as you can be hindered by religion --- and I would really like to see what "rational thought" is found in theism that is absent from an atheist ...
symelian 1 year ago
So theism in any sort has frameworks that prescribe action and behavior - but that in your view offers MORE freedom than being free from such restraints -- in itself atheism doesn't give freedom - but it doesn't restrain it as theism does to varying extent
and you can't have your own definition of "theism" and apply it to the common definition
... cont...
symelian 1 year ago
Atheism offers the freedom to use one's intelligence without superstition. You fail.
Lars0n 1 year ago
WoW....Just WoW.
You are the epitimy of a walking contradiction.
rattlehead66666 1 year ago
I don't need religion to construct my own framework.
JokinJoe 1 year ago
i also agree with JollSSter about how islam does NOT offer freedom whatsoever, what is the penalty of apostasy in the islam? DEATH! so how can you possibly call that freedom? very simple... it can NOT!
gr4ndhustle 1 year ago
"it doesnt offer rational thought it doesnt offer intellectual thought" ???? are you kidding me? did you know the story of jesus is similar to alot of other stories of different figures in the ancient times? how can you possibly say it doesnt offer rational thinking? so christianity offers rational and intellectual thought? when alot of things can not even be proven.. im done watching your vids.. you have already debunked yourself by those words..
gr4ndhustle 1 year ago
Atheism does offer freedom. It offers the freedom to question the ideals of various religions. It offers freedom from the life guidelines that tell YOU what to do. For example the ten commandments (although in the right place morally) guide and tell you what you can and can not do. That is a restriction in essence. Atheists are free of things like this. Whether they choose to keep good morals in doing so will vary obviously from person to person. That, however is not strictly applied to atheists
DJDanzzEdit 1 year ago
Atheism offers freedom to think.. i find it insulting how you say that islam offers freedom, it does not.
you would understand if you were born as a women in irak .. nabb
JollSSteR 1 year ago
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So, not having a framework makes someone less free? So, only cattle in holding pens are free? I just don't seem to see logic in saying that NOT being forced to do things in a set way and NOT having a framework that is, at best, counter-productive, can be defined as anything but freedom... Just a thought.
war0cloud 2 years ago
So, not having a framework makes someone less free? So, only cattle in holding pens are free? I just don't seem to see logic in saying that NOT being forced to do things in a set way and NOT having a framework that is, at best, counter-productive, can be defined as anything but freedom... Just a thought.
war0cloud 2 years ago
As people evolve and intelligence grows, the concept of Gods will continue to become less relevant. You'll see that atheism is growing in direct association with advances in science and technology. That's not a coincidence. Unfortunately, it'll take two or three generations to wash out this delusion, just like bigotry and racism isn't completely gone, but it's not as bad as it was two generations ago. Patience.
fallenone202 2 years ago
also, religion = voluntary slavery (you'll get paid when your dead)
legion2k 2 years ago
wow you're more twisted up then a balloon animal.
You're not free if there is a frame work around your life.. You see there is life and there is life with religion. So, life is free without religion.
Keep that in mind at all times.
legion2k 2 years ago
Atheism is the wrong word to use for this question, since it is only describes non belief with regards to a god claim. It wouldnt make much sense to say, what does not playing golf offer me?
You could ask what does philisophical naturalism or secular humanism offer, because these are positive descriptions rather than a negative response to a belief claim.
mbouw21 2 years ago
You sound like Christopher Walken.
A really really wrong Christopher Walken.
meshumekha 2 years ago
I don't have a religion.
I don't have to go to church, I don't have to be scared to go to hell. I don't have to pray. I can stand against others' views instead of being focused on "my god is the right thing" and "nothing else".
I'm free from a lot of things people with religion are bound to by "rules".
TowelDynasty 2 years ago
OK, I am an Atheist. I am free from the fear of "burning in hell" for the smallest things. I am free from being judged by a "God" who tells you not to judge others. There is a view of humanity, it's called being a Humanist. We see people as just that, people we do not see boarders, we do not see colours, we do not see class.
I am an Atheist. And I am proud of it.
Wingers413 2 years ago
What matters is not what atheism offers, or what theism offers. What matters is what is true. Whether it offers us anything or not.
mrrnr1956 2 years ago
This guy is wasting everyones time. He offers no evidence for anything, only personal opinion. what an idiot
doubledyll 2 years ago
if theism suppresses one's freedom only then can be said that atheism offers freedom. if a muslim woman who isn't free to wear jeans pant became an atheist, she would certainly be freer because she can wear it as an atheist...countless other examples exist about religion suppressing freedom...so y can't one say atheism offers freedom wherever religion suppresses freedom?
sh00008 2 years ago
Drugs offer freedom. And the solutions they bring are just as hollow as those resulting from religion.
SmoothInstigator 2 years ago
that really makes lil sense. how you define freedom and how do drugs provide that? really if you say this you need to be more specific.
adzug 2 years ago
religion constrains people to particular frameworks.
Atheism allows people do decide on the basis of their reason without such restraints.
it is as Richard Dawkins put it perhaps, like "trying to herd cats".
Atheism does not enlighten you, but it is enlightened.
not believing basing decisions on un-falsifiable knowledge and myths is rational.
whatever else people decide, at least it will not be based on dogmatic thinking.
marsCubed 2 years ago
Your whole concept of freedom here is pretty much abstract. Sorry to say.
Freedom is not relative to a religion or belief.
No religion, or lack of it, can offer freedom in any way. Freedom is primarily related to who you are and how much will and inteligence you have to make your own life become something enjoyable, despite the political system you live in.
And no one is imprisoned in the 911 conspiracy. That doesn't even make sense.
Your concept of freedom is totaly screwed...
Peace.
skaruts 2 years ago
frame work is being boxed in.
no1saphead 2 years ago
How can you drive the point that atheists try to impose positive values onto atheism and yet you have a problem with atheists having apathy, that they dont care about anything? These are contradictory points.
The truth unites, misunderstandings divide.
thymefromti 2 years ago
Disagree. Lets take your example. Okay, there is no framework, so yes I can make my own framework and I can design my own house. In a theistic environment you are given that framework and then your told to break it is a sin or going against the divine law. I think that's the freedom some atheist consider, the ability to make your own framework, that's more freedom in my opinion. But I'm interested on what you think on that point.
OskyATL 2 years ago
While interesting, you keep making the mistake over and over again which completely undermines your assertion.
That is you claim atheism is a positive belief. It is not. It is merely a lack of a belief in a god or gods. That is all. There are some strong atheists who will say there is no God (and will provide evidence to back up that assertion) but they are not the norm.
Atheism is a lack of belief not a belief. As such it frees the atheist to make their own mind up, unencumbered by belief.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
You're a bit of a bummer dude. Though your thoughts are technically correct in many regards, you should try to focus on the positives of what atheism has to offer. Atheism doesn't offer rational thought, but that said most atheists do think rationally in my humble experience, and see the world more clearly then those looking through the lens of religion.
mooky1977 2 years ago
Atheism offers freedom from negative states of mind imposed by other religions (but Christianity mostly); freedom from the guilt of beliving that you're a sinner. Freedom from the hope of heaven and the fear of hell. Freedom from incredulity, believing in and dedicating your life to something for no good reason.
CHamlin86 2 years ago
and ask some of the prisoners of war in israel during the crusades or now whether atheism would make them free - well if they were atheists themselves it wouldn't make them free but if humanity was atheistic i think these wars wouldn't happen /have happend and they wouldn't be in prison = freedom
am i right?
daggerGforcefahrer 2 years ago
nothing offers freedom - there R just things which reduce freedom
if u R christian u mustnot have more than 1 wife (for example)
if u R muslim u mustnot eat meat from a pig
and so on
daggerGforcefahrer 2 years ago
Atheists who claim atheism offers freedom are probably referring to freedom of thoughts that religious beliefs tend to restrict. Freedom from fear of divine judgement, or Hell if you stray. I've witnessed these fears weigh heavy on Christians that thought they were not doing God's will.
I'm an atheist, but I agree, simply saying atheism offers freedom is not a well thought out statement to make. Atheism is lack of belief in deities and religious dogma. Nothing more.
SillyCyban 2 years ago
Is this supposed to make sense? You're free because your religion tells you how to be free? This is honestly one of the most idiotic arguments I've ever heard.
What does this have to do with 9/11 conspiracy crap?
Some of us have the ability to provide our own meaning and motivation, we don't need a big daddy in the sky to tell us how to be human.
Sorry, but your argument is idiotic.
tctheunbeliever 2 years ago
What freedom do you have that, I as an Atheist do not have? come back to me on that one.
darkbladex080 2 years ago
Without absolute morals on loses the freedom to choose between good and evil.
One loses the opportunity to say anything is right or wrong (not to be confused with correct and incorrect.)
This is what Atheists do not have.
Zepher50 2 years ago
@Zepher50 so your telling me i have no morals and i am evil? i think i can say what is right and wrong. i don't need a religion to gain morals. My freedom is only restricted by the government. unlike a religious person, yours is by religion and government. no disrespect. i have respect for all religions across this globe but i just have a hard time believing it all. my life has been good with out a religion so far.
darkbladex080 2 years ago
I never said you were evil and I never said you didn't have morals. I said you can't have absolute morals.
What I'm saying is you have no absolute morals. An atheist's morals can only be based on what the majority of people (or the atheist as an individual) beleives in at the moment. Since beleifs are almost always subject to change the idea of an atheists layng claim to unchanging morals can't be obtained because it becomes an opinion not a fact. I am limited to church and state if I choose.
Zepher50 2 years ago
@Zepher50 And this absolute moral is that important. things are always subject to change. i base whats right and wrong on personal experience and what is happening at the time. but i do agree some morals should be absolute morals but not all.
darkbladex080 2 years ago
If there is no such thing as divinity how can anything be absolute? It simply cannot because there is no absolute morality.
Zepher50 2 years ago
@Zepher50: There are no 'absolute morals.' Morals are endemic to the culture you live in. There are some universal ideas of morality, such as killing is wrong, but even that is subjective to some cultures.
Christheatheist1 2 years ago
Thats only if you're an atheist. A non-atheist could lay claim to absolute morals.
Zepher50 2 years ago
Its not moral relativism either. Its what Michael Shermer calls "Provisional Morality" in "Mind of the Market". That is, for most people, most of the time, across time and culture, there are some shared morals (shaped by evolution) - killing is wrong, stealing is wrong, sharing is good etc. There are time when it is ok to do these things - self defence, when you are starving, when you are being coerced to share etc.
Anything the theist thinks is a absolute morality is the result of evolution
johnycannuk 2 years ago