if they would have been reading the smoke they would have know it would flash and ventialtion should have done above the fire and not in the univloved section of the house
MORALEJA: Si a va a efectuar ataque interno es una casa, la cual arde violentamente en porción importante y no hace destechar paralelamente (necesario para ventilar inteior y prevenir un flashover), antes de entrar, rompa TODAS las ventanas.....
unfortunatly the people responsible for the 9 deaths are too stupid to realize that they did anything wrong... it pisses me off more every time i think or hear about it... chiefs on scene were socially promoted,,, first engine in rolled wrong,,, i could go on and on... bottom line is they were in there because someone who was too scared to pull a ceiling because it might damage a piece of furniture... it never should have happened...
@MIKCURIE yes if you dont cool the space enough... before flash hoods we could tell if it was getting too hot when our ears started to burn... then we would cool the space again ...but yes, spaces can flach more than once..
thank you... just write me a note and illl answer whatever i can... i retired soon after the fire so im not too familure with the new programs that have been implimented but they are radically different from the way we operated while i was there...the training and equipment has improved along with the uniforms and required ppe...
Everything I saw here was a "How not to do it".... unbelievable...... And texasdad, Some of the worst stuff I've ever seen in "How not to do" videos were from full time paid departments. I know there are some lousy volunteer dep as well but don't forget "Super Sofa Fire" was a paid dep
@ramdslpwr why do you have to bring up the sofa super store???yes, we made our mistakes but noone is perfect...9 brothers died because of it ... we learned so please show some respect,,,
@93CFD Sorry I mean no disrespect. I was simply responding to the comment made by somebody that was degrading volunteer departments as the ones who pull stunts like this one. I belong to a small rural all volunteer department and resent the implication. Most of the training videos I watch of fire fighter bloopers are from paid departments so stop it with the class warfare. No one is perfect. We all learn everytime.
And sorry but we do need to talk about things like the S.S.S. fire to learn.
WOW!! Thats not the way to do it. This structure is screaming for vertical ventilation the whole time and who vents a window on the opposite side of the fire? Please take truck company operations to learn to vent and make it a lot easier on everybody. I've been doing this for 12 years not trying to rag on volunteers or this department but fighting fire this way will get somebody hurt or killed.
Got to get a hold of the fire before doing much ventilation or you wull get a very fast flashover. I am so glad the fireman made it out of this one safely. This will make a good "what not to do in a fire" training video
... jeeze... Have any idea the temp of that entire first floor? The venting was proper.
NO one is living on that first floor! It's anywhere between 400 to 800 deg f @ floor level! 900+ deg f @ 15" above floor level... Verticle ven... shit c'mon! Too many teevee shows...
I've seen a lot of comments about the woman firefighter on this video. For those of you that think women should not be firefighters are pathetic. I know a few women firefighters that would give you a run for your money. Unless you are on that department and know that woman personally , dont judge her.
@westfire507 im sure you are right,,, some women firefighters are ok but ive been yet to see one... i guess im just pathetic then although ive been called worse...stay safe bro...
Whoever made the decision the ventilate the front of this structure should have their ass kicked and never be allowed back on a truck. The damn thing had already vented itself out the back. Someone being just flat out stupid almost crispered several brothers.
thanks for the video..i have a question for you ff: if there s a fire in a flat, and one decides to kick the door (provided is cool)cause there s a person trapped inside, is this wise to first crash a window (maybe throwing a stone from distance and possibly choosing a "smoky " one) before getting in, to avoid fire quicly spreading towards the rescuer????thanks
the only time you throw a stone throuth a window from a distance is if you think it is a backdraft situation...and in that case, by the book you should be cutting a hole in the roof...if the door is cool, open it cautiously and go put out the fire and do a search. ventilate asap...it all comes with experience.. you after a while will get with a company where everyone knows their job and all necessary steps will be done without even thinking about it... experience is all you need and common since
very kind of u ..actually i m not gonna be a firefighter(but i m gonna learn CPR ) and i only asked cause in the country i live in there are some situations (isolated areas far from ff station) in which some times u have to choose between a desperate attempt, as a civilian, of trying to rescue a victim (especially non-cooperating, e.g. child) and witnessing a death.but i guess that, in case a flashover is about to happen, it s not likely to have any alive person in there. thank you!!
maybe they should've been sent back to fire one and re learned positive pressure ventilation. at least they could've been smart enough to know they shouldn't open every dam window you see it jus fuels he fire!
Wow back to the recruit academy... that was a poor job. Going interior before the positive pressure, sending a line in the vent... A good training video for what not to di
this house could of been saved but there was poor communication.. trying to vent in the front where there was no fire showing could have prevented the flash over.. it was just heavy smoke. the fire was on the b/c side of the house. this is why we train.
they did vent from the front. thats why they were breaking out windows. unfortunatly that is what caused the flash over because they gave the hot gases air which enabled the gases to ignite
My house was next door to that fire and if my husband weren't home my home would off burn as well. The fire Department was very slow in responding to this fire.
@93CFD Seriously?!? That early ventilation drew the fire into the unburned A side of the house. Had there been anyone inside the building it could have been drastic. We can just be satisfied with "the fire went out" when our safety can be jeopardized
if he and another ff would've had a 1 3/4 in. hand line, and made entry threw the front door instead of venting (because it already vented itself) I feel that it would've had a more successful out come.
@frhwk03 i dont believe in pushing fire... yes, the front room flashed when he broke the window but its not because he pulled the fire, that room must have been super hot to begin for it to flash like that... by breaking the window,, yes he did quicken the inevitable but the fire would have vented itself soon... its just theory,,, fires and electricity are both theories, not sciences...
garryd1 boy are you right they forgot the golden rule ,they did not use the water cannon on the pumper,nor did they use a ladder truck at all.They know full well that they should use those types of equipment at all majour fires,plus dont ever get on a weakend roof thats a good way to get hurt badly.
@frhwk03 The A side was not unburned, it was at ignition temperature, it just didn't have enough oxygen to produce flame. The ventilation was too early, the hose line should have been manned and charged, but it would have flashed regardless. They just wouldn't have the "Oh Shit" moment.
@frhwk03 it wasnt the fact that it was "early ventalition" but horizontal ventilation. These clowns just break windows in heavy smoke conditions causing flashovers. This department has no type of operation, and poor decision making. That truck needs to be on the roof cutting. Look how slow these guys are, you have heavy smoke and fire showing, and these guys are taking their time and just sizing up the building.
Let us not forget that poor decision making and poor tactics can lead to becoming part of the problem and not part of the solution. Some questions to ask yourself, where is the truck crew and why is vertical ventilation not being accomplished? Why are we venting windows away from the fire? Do we want to draw the fire toward this area? An understanding of fire behavior and fire dynamics would tell us not to do this! There is much to be learned from this video.....learn what not to do!
Clear this is a defensive fire from first twenty seconds. People entering an IDLH not masked up until in the IDLH, returning interior after a clear abandon signal from command, half the dept surrounding the fire not in full PPE, bystanders walking through the scene. And why is anyone operating under an overhang of a building that has 10' flames coming out every window let alone cutting holes on the roof?. Clearly this is a "learn from our mistakes kind of video"
Officers aren't wearing their SCBA's...nobody sounded the roof...and the ladder isn't 3-5 rungs above the roof....nobody butting the ladder....the roof hooks aren't deployed either...who was that in a t shirt on the fireground?? bahhh
to anyone who says this is a backdraft, in my opinion it is a flashover. In a backdraft, 1. you'll have puffing smoke like the fire is breathing. 2. Typically a backdraft occurs after a flashover when the fuel has been nearly depleted. you can clearly see during the flashover the super-heated gases in the smoke lighting up and then afterwards, everything in the room on fire because of the flash.
Hell yea man. My department just paid for us to go, I had prior obligations but apprently the people that went learned alot and many simple ways to judge fire by taking a sec to look at the smoke. Those classes are very educational and now days, i think it should be a requirement for getting a FF. cert. just my 2 cents tho =D
Whoever thinks that setting up a fan on a fire like this does not deserve to be called a firefighter. The breaking out of the window was not a smart idea at all either, but why do you think setting up a fan would be better. How much air do you think a fan is going to introduce 1opperattorrigger. Think!
it was a flashover you morons....it was the officer's fault for taking the front windows...this department is a joke and so are the rest of you idiots leaving comments...especially wolverine you god damn nerd.
That was piss poor ventilation on both the OVM and Commands part maybe if they opened the roof it would have prevented the flash. I feel for that hose team getting there ass kicked by poor vent methods.
who is running this show ???? it looks like the pressure on the line is so high .. it takes less then 150 psi to have a great stream and on stright bore nozzles even half that also wher eis the secound and third line and where is the roof vent???? I have been to nmany fire where the first line in controls the fire but come on lets do it right and get home safe
Of course they're chasing it. I only see one attack line and about 8 guys on it with about 4 "officers" telling them what to do. Granted we can't see it all but it looks pretty piss poor. It's a damn loss at this point, surround and drown! And for god sakes take half the men off the line and start another. It happens everywhere though.
i guess its easy for us to set back and sat what we'd do if we was there bu we wasnt.And so i say keep on keeping on.and my hats off to the interior crew at that job!!!!!!!!!!
God, firemen are so brave, in England (im sure its the same in US) that if i heard the word "Fire Service" id just think of the odvious fire stopping, but they also need to deal with car crashes. i certainly couldnt do that
I know it's easy to comment when you're not there, but it's sad to see that even in the 21st century firefighters are using such unsafe and poor fireground tatics. Those guys were nearly killed. What a mess. Anyone who who romantisizes about being in a flashover is a complete idiot, and God help us if they ever get to become a firefighter. People like that get themselves killed, and even worse, may kill others. Review your training and tactics I say!
somebody beat the guy with the radio that had the firefighter break the window.he almost killed the interior crew! He shouldve set up a positive pressure fan and kicked the guy with the radio in the nuts!!!!!!
comes with experience.. watch how it behaves. is it chugging out? is it looking like the house is breathing. etc.... look upp other vids. you,ll see what i,m saying
look at it..when its puffing out the window like that, and its black, there's fire!! thats how you read smoke..fuck, i know that, and i just graduated about 3 yrs ago from the academy!
nice language, you show your age and i still hope you burn bad and live in a flashover so when you are in a hospital bed with 80 % of your skin burnt off and peeling that you can tell me how much fun flashovers are.....
you are so right that i couldnt have said it better myself. i still with you could experience one first hand and be cought in the middle. flashovers arent always fun. what dont you get? that was an extremely juvinile thing for you to say. go to your black magik church and leave the talking to the real firefighters...and look how stupid your comment was. people die in flashovers all the time. they are not at all fun.
People in Flash overs do not survive! Been in more than a few fires where it was so hot I was face down on the floor almost dead, that was before it flashed and got out seconds before that Temperature reached the ground and the whole room combusted! My job is not to be a hardcore balls to the wall at any fire! My job is to think, rescue, and put the fire out. My goal is to save lives and see my wife in the morning, Glory gets u killed! I have seen a few fires in the past 18 years with the FDNY
and why was this given like 4 thumbs down. people are so dumb. and yes, the fireground tactics at this fire were pretty poor. life safety needs to be number 1 priority at all times.
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Yeah, thumbs down for going home alive, lol..... People are idiots on here! I doubt they are even real firemen. The best thing is "RalphFDNY4Life" is a New York City Firman, I think his opinion matters, and deserves a little RESPECT!!!
This was a very good video showing a flashover...and what not to do when you have "guys" on the inside. The fire was already vented on the side of the house. I saw no reason to break the windows on the front porch...almost caused some serious injuries or fatalities. If they wanted to vent, why not try the roof?
Who was that female firefighter? She looked pretty darn hot to say the least!
i love woman firefighters . i think every station should have one i had one in my company and i had to book her for refusing to raise a ladder during drill time because her nails were still wet. they are definatly a trip as long as they dont try to push your buttons and play the sexual harassment bull on you like she did. she was very obedient after i booked her though and personell laughed at her sexual harassment claim.
Correct me if I'm wrong, that looked like more of a backdraft, no? Oxygen presented to pressurized gases, heat, and smoke = Kaboom? I can see the evidense of flashover ( fire licking along roof, ect.. ) and I can see there was lots of fire up until then, but didn't seem to be all that crazy up until oxygen was presented.
nobody is perfect. you never know, maybe releasing that heat saved their lives. who knows. an old saying where i used to work. if your aunt had nuts sheda been your uncle. ie, woulda shoulda coulda. one day i hope to be as wise as you to post such a comment
I lived a block away from this house when the fire happened, and I still think that the crazy lady down the street had something to do with this. Her boyfriend was a meth cooker, and she'd been out messing around that house in the middle of the night, supposedly looking for her dog.
How do you call our operation a surround and drown when crews were doing an interior attack? The tactics went to defensive then offensive again. Has your department ever had a transitional attack? At what point were civilians in the way or in danger? I think it's hard to assume that with the angle of the camera especially since it's zoomed. At what time in the video do you see civilians in the way? I have never said everything went right. Do you have anything better?
Say's who? The first arriving was not 100% sure that the house was unoccupied. Though things didn't go as planed this is a bread and butter operation for us. This is an older house with dimensional lumber; it will withstand the effects of fire. The camera didn't catch the condition's when the first engine arrived. They evaluated the situation and went interior. Am I saying an abandoned house is worth a firefighter? No, but they made a decision to attack and no one got hurt. Job Done!
I run with the First West Chester Fire Company-Station 51 which is part of the West Chester Fire Department in Chester County, PA. This is how we would handle this type of situation:
1) A RIT assignment would be standing by on scene.
2) Evacuate the building (evacuation tones/5 air horn blasts).
3) Exterior attack and master stream will be utilized.
Man you boys are hard core with all that book talk. lol im kidding we do stuff a little different, and I know you guys are aware of that. In our hood it seems we are always walking up flights and flights of stairs, lol
We still use horn blasts in addition to radio evacuation. We do not have the best radio coverage so a redundant notification is the best for our dept. Our packs are low profile 4500 psi, 30 min Draeger SCBA. I can't argue the comment about pulling the deuce. I also will not argue with the decision of the first in officer because they arrived about 5 minutes before the video started so to be fair the conditions were not the same at that point. Interior construction also had a role in the events.
Nice job. Glad no one was injured. Couple of comments. I have been through a similar situation, and the only thing that might have helped was the use of a bigger initial hand line. 2 1/2. Big fire, Big Water. The house was going to flash regardless, the guy on the porch just sped it up a little, no harm done.
Who's in charge here? is it the guy in the gray golf shirt? You see him running around. Also before the guy vents the window you do see behind him the other windows self vents (00:42)
17 years and complete moron. i think my last firefighter before i retired on disability actually used that name when i put out a room and content with a booster hose. the fire went out so he ate his words.... great scale..good job guys/girls.i guess after 15 months out im a has been also... hahaha....
Thank you for the comments. Its been a while since Ive viewed this so Ive not responded lately. Instead of typing more rebuttals please take the time to read my posts when the video was first posted. There are several posts answering questions. Those posts should clear up a lot of questions about why this was done versus something else. I will say this.
Water was being put on the fire, the apartment was a duplex and the initial hose team was in the CD corner extinguishing fire. Another important point is that the Ladder was dispatched approx. 4 minutes after the initial alarm. So the truck Co. was trying to play catch up. Was mistakes made? Yes! Reading the first posts should clear up questions!
For the brothers / sisters who continue to use name calling as a way to add grit to your argument Grow Up Just for reference here is how our name progression goes.
0-5 years Scholar, 5-10 years know it all, 10-15 years Idiot, 15-20 years moron, 20-25 years has been, 25+ years brain dead! I will say, in my nine years as a career FF, Ive learned a lot from the Has beens and the Brain Deads!
It looks like a backdraft the a flashshover to me... If you notice only after he busted the window and introduce a fresh supply of air for the fire to breath did it react like that.
Here in Finland we use put smoke fan to front door and break windows from back of the building. Then we start fan and open the door. Fan pushes heat, smoke and flammable gases out from windows.
This makes interior attack easyer and safer, due to good visablity and less chance of flahsover.
I have seen meny videos which shows that yuo guys go into building whit out a hose, why?
If something unexpected happens you got yuor hose ready to defend yourself. ( Here in Finland )
In America, at my Fire Department we use a method of ventilation called "Cutting a hole in the roof" My department is a very small department outside of L.A. City, and it is a new concept where I work LOL ......... Fans and opening windows is for unattended food, not all hands working fires.
H&L companies ventilate the roof so the heat and steam have a place to go up and away when the E&H companies mount an interior attack. This does not add oxygen to the fire. Improper ventilation such as windows on or below the fire level before there is water on it can cause a flashover or sudden backdraft.
BTW this structure must have had heck and half of a fire load inside to cook like that. Smart, safe attack and heck of job on a though one by the THFD.
you know this is sad that some1s house is burning down and all you can do is pull out a video camera?!? What if some1 put your house burning on youtube 0/5 very bad mate u should be ashamed
What do you want the person to do....video can be very helpful in lessons learned, without video you can't improve on your training. It's sad when my ballteam can't learn how to throw to a hitter, but with video I can learn what to throw and when to throw..figure it out MATE!
if they would have been reading the smoke they would have know it would flash and ventialtion should have done above the fire and not in the univloved section of the house
ANDY13865 1 month ago
David W. Dodson...might be good to look up some of his smoke reading material!..Stay safe!
JoshyBallz4 2 months ago
MORALEJA: Si a va a efectuar ataque interno es una casa, la cual arde violentamente en porción importante y no hace destechar paralelamente (necesario para ventilar inteior y prevenir un flashover), antes de entrar, rompa TODAS las ventanas.....
kasgasna 4 months ago
unfortunatly the people responsible for the 9 deaths are too stupid to realize that they did anything wrong... it pisses me off more every time i think or hear about it... chiefs on scene were socially promoted,,, first engine in rolled wrong,,, i could go on and on... bottom line is they were in there because someone who was too scared to pull a ceiling because it might damage a piece of furniture... it never should have happened...
93CFD 8 months ago
9 DEAD I DONT KNOW IF I COLUD LIVE WITH MY SELF AFTER THAT MISTAKE
grizzleybearz282004 8 months ago
Can an area fashover more than once
MIKCURIE 9 months ago
@MIKCURIE yes if you dont cool the space enough... before flash hoods we could tell if it was getting too hot when our ears started to burn... then we would cool the space again ...but yes, spaces can flach more than once..
93CFD 9 months ago
how do fires start in the middle of the night if people arent awake to accidently start them?
TheWaynelds 9 months ago
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how fucking stupid are you
zachysteve 9 months ago
thank you... just write me a note and illl answer whatever i can... i retired soon after the fire so im not too familure with the new programs that have been implimented but they are radically different from the way we operated while i was there...the training and equipment has improved along with the uniforms and required ppe...
93CFD 10 months ago
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93CFD 10 months ago
Everything I saw here was a "How not to do it".... unbelievable...... And texasdad, Some of the worst stuff I've ever seen in "How not to do" videos were from full time paid departments. I know there are some lousy volunteer dep as well but don't forget "Super Sofa Fire" was a paid dep
ramdslpwr 11 months ago
@ramdslpwr why do you have to bring up the sofa super store???yes, we made our mistakes but noone is perfect...9 brothers died because of it ... we learned so please show some respect,,,
93CFD 10 months ago
@93CFD Sorry I mean no disrespect. I was simply responding to the comment made by somebody that was degrading volunteer departments as the ones who pull stunts like this one. I belong to a small rural all volunteer department and resent the implication. Most of the training videos I watch of fire fighter bloopers are from paid departments so stop it with the class warfare. No one is perfect. We all learn everytime.
And sorry but we do need to talk about things like the S.S.S. fire to learn.
ramdslpwr 10 months ago
this can't be 1819
Crazy1Dudez 11 months ago
poor poor poor they call themselves pros
demodog02 11 months ago
WOW!! Thats not the way to do it. This structure is screaming for vertical ventilation the whole time and who vents a window on the opposite side of the fire? Please take truck company operations to learn to vent and make it a lot easier on everybody. I've been doing this for 12 years not trying to rag on volunteers or this department but fighting fire this way will get somebody hurt or killed.
texasdad7 1 year ago
Yeah that was definitely a flashover. Hope no one got hurt
DarkMagik0 1 year ago
Now that's a fire I want to fight.
hoopdancer417 1 year ago
what is the honking for...is that the sign to get the hell outta there?
ZanderZavier 1 year ago
@ZanderZavier honking of the horns mean evacuate immediately
UJustR4pedMe 1 year ago
Got to get a hold of the fire before doing much ventilation or you wull get a very fast flashover. I am so glad the fireman made it out of this one safely. This will make a good "what not to do in a fire" training video
sabethafiredept 1 year ago
... jeeze... Have any idea the temp of that entire first floor? The venting was proper.
NO one is living on that first floor! It's anywhere between 400 to 800 deg f @ floor level! 900+ deg f @ 15" above floor level... Verticle ven... shit c'mon! Too many teevee shows...
SittingMooseShaman 1 year ago
I've seen a lot of comments about the woman firefighter on this video. For those of you that think women should not be firefighters are pathetic. I know a few women firefighters that would give you a run for your money. Unless you are on that department and know that woman personally , dont judge her.
westfire507 1 year ago
@westfire507 im sure you are right,,, some women firefighters are ok but ive been yet to see one... i guess im just pathetic then although ive been called worse...stay safe bro...
93CFD 1 year ago
Whoever made the decision the ventilate the front of this structure should have their ass kicked and never be allowed back on a truck. The damn thing had already vented itself out the back. Someone being just flat out stupid almost crispered several brothers.
sprinklegator 1 year ago
also way to SHOVE the fire from the first floor into the attic! really way to goo. this is an embarrassment to firefighting.
matheny51 1 year ago
thanks for the video..i have a question for you ff: if there s a fire in a flat, and one decides to kick the door (provided is cool)cause there s a person trapped inside, is this wise to first crash a window (maybe throwing a stone from distance and possibly choosing a "smoky " one) before getting in, to avoid fire quicly spreading towards the rescuer????thanks
fmstudent 1 year ago
the only time you throw a stone throuth a window from a distance is if you think it is a backdraft situation...and in that case, by the book you should be cutting a hole in the roof...if the door is cool, open it cautiously and go put out the fire and do a search. ventilate asap...it all comes with experience.. you after a while will get with a company where everyone knows their job and all necessary steps will be done without even thinking about it... experience is all you need and common since
93CFD 1 year ago
very kind of u ..actually i m not gonna be a firefighter(but i m gonna learn CPR ) and i only asked cause in the country i live in there are some situations (isolated areas far from ff station) in which some times u have to choose between a desperate attempt, as a civilian, of trying to rescue a victim (especially non-cooperating, e.g. child) and witnessing a death.but i guess that, in case a flashover is about to happen, it s not likely to have any alive person in there. thank you!!
fmstudent 1 year ago
I think I would have someones rear on this one!
firebulldog21 1 year ago
One prime example of why you don't start busting windows just because YOU feel it is the thing to do. What an idiot!
firebulldog21 1 year ago
maybe they should've been sent back to fire one and re learned positive pressure ventilation. at least they could've been smart enough to know they shouldn't open every dam window you see it jus fuels he fire!
mikebvos 1 year ago
that was one damn good fine display of a horrible job
johnnydep08 1 year ago
One more question?, what in the world are you venting theres flames coming out every hole in that house. Thinks it's time for some training
philfire3 1 year ago
Good thing all the ones with no gear on didnt get hurt and whatever happened to "3 bells" I bet they pulled those horns tilt they were out of air
philfire3 1 year ago
Why are the horns going off? Is taht a signal? What does it mean?
Lindenu10 1 year ago
The horns mean evacuate the building.
Firemantrk 1 year ago
@Lindenu10 That means get the hell out. You hear the horns going and you drop what you are doing. Hose and all and get out NOW.
RyanD175 1 year ago
when they blow the horns its means gtfo of there now or your either gonna die cuz it flashed or its gonna collapse
mikebvos 1 year ago
Shitty job and crummy firefighting....do these guys not train????
xtreme7935 1 year ago
Wow back to the recruit academy... that was a poor job. Going interior before the positive pressure, sending a line in the vent... A good training video for what not to di
missselective2 2 years ago
Shitty ass job.....wtf i mean really....poor fd
xtreme7935 2 years ago
this house could of been saved but there was poor communication.. trying to vent in the front where there was no fire showing could have prevented the flash over.. it was just heavy smoke. the fire was on the b/c side of the house. this is why we train.
shayshaynj29 2 years ago
they did vent from the front. thats why they were breaking out windows. unfortunatly that is what caused the flash over because they gave the hot gases air which enabled the gases to ignite
LTDJ1 2 years ago
at 00:46 HOLY SHIT THAT WUS CLOSE
weiserbud67 2 years ago
My house was next door to that fire and if my husband weren't home my home would off burn as well. The fire Department was very slow in responding to this fire.
TheSweetRican 2 years ago
lol
JoshyBallz4 2 years ago
they found the red stuff, sprayed it with the wet stuff and the fire went out. how can we argue tactics when we just saw their way work?
93CFD 2 years ago
@93CFD Seriously?!? That early ventilation drew the fire into the unburned A side of the house. Had there been anyone inside the building it could have been drastic. We can just be satisfied with "the fire went out" when our safety can be jeopardized
frhwk03 2 years ago 4
@frhwk03 there were four (4) firefighters inside. watch around 1:20 the right side of the screen. they all come piling out of a doorway.
Come on guys! The tactics displayed here are scary. we cant be pushing fire throughout the house!
Jahr30 1 year ago
@frhwk03
if he and another ff would've had a 1 3/4 in. hand line, and made entry threw the front door instead of venting (because it already vented itself) I feel that it would've had a more successful out come.
matheny51 1 year ago
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matheny51 1 year ago
@frhwk03 i dont believe in pushing fire... yes, the front room flashed when he broke the window but its not because he pulled the fire, that room must have been super hot to begin for it to flash like that... by breaking the window,, yes he did quicken the inevitable but the fire would have vented itself soon... its just theory,,, fires and electricity are both theories, not sciences...
93CFD 1 year ago
garryd1 boy are you right they forgot the golden rule ,they did not use the water cannon on the pumper,nor did they use a ladder truck at all.They know full well that they should use those types of equipment at all majour fires,plus dont ever get on a weakend roof thats a good way to get hurt badly.
garrydouglas1 1 year ago
@frhwk03 FlashOver!!!
hullygully123 1 year ago
@frhwk03 There were people inside the building. Look at 1:08 thru 1:11 you see all the guys come running outside, at least four of them.
DeltaFoxtrotWhiskey3 9 months ago
@frhwk03 The A side was not unburned, it was at ignition temperature, it just didn't have enough oxygen to produce flame. The ventilation was too early, the hose line should have been manned and charged, but it would have flashed regardless. They just wouldn't have the "Oh Shit" moment.
ffjsb 9 months ago
@frhwk03 it wasnt the fact that it was "early ventalition" but horizontal ventilation. These clowns just break windows in heavy smoke conditions causing flashovers. This department has no type of operation, and poor decision making. That truck needs to be on the roof cutting. Look how slow these guys are, you have heavy smoke and fire showing, and these guys are taking their time and just sizing up the building.
KillYouOFF 5 months ago
Let us not forget that poor decision making and poor tactics can lead to becoming part of the problem and not part of the solution. Some questions to ask yourself, where is the truck crew and why is vertical ventilation not being accomplished? Why are we venting windows away from the fire? Do we want to draw the fire toward this area? An understanding of fire behavior and fire dynamics would tell us not to do this! There is much to be learned from this video.....learn what not to do!
ohiosnowrider 2 years ago 8
garrydouglas1 your not kidding,infact where the hell is the ladder truck? did they not want to use it,or do they not have one.
garrydouglas1 1 year ago
IDLH is immediatly dangerous to life and health
fullthrottlecaudle 2 years ago
what is idlh?????
93CFD 2 years ago
Clear this is a defensive fire from first twenty seconds. People entering an IDLH not masked up until in the IDLH, returning interior after a clear abandon signal from command, half the dept surrounding the fire not in full PPE, bystanders walking through the scene. And why is anyone operating under an overhang of a building that has 10' flames coming out every window let alone cutting holes on the roof?. Clearly this is a "learn from our mistakes kind of video"
RFD864 2 years ago
that was on my firends bday
fredii101 2 years ago
9:00 I would like to bend her over and change her bottle to!!!!!!!!
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bigmlt3 2 years ago
Officers aren't wearing their SCBA's...nobody sounded the roof...and the ladder isn't 3-5 rungs above the roof....nobody butting the ladder....the roof hooks aren't deployed either...who was that in a t shirt on the fireground?? bahhh
knightsaber67 2 years ago
to anyone who says this is a backdraft, in my opinion it is a flashover. In a backdraft, 1. you'll have puffing smoke like the fire is breathing. 2. Typically a backdraft occurs after a flashover when the fuel has been nearly depleted. you can clearly see during the flashover the super-heated gases in the smoke lighting up and then afterwards, everything in the room on fire because of the flash.
Cheatman1342 2 years ago
smarch1337, that was a flashover, no doubt about it. Just by watching the smoke it was going to happen even if the window wasn't open!
arsninvestigator 2 years ago
are you really an arson investigator? or do you just play one on youtube
93CFD 2 years ago
What fireguye4 says is absolutely correct, every firefighter needs to take a class on reading smoke.
arsninvestigator 2 years ago
Hell yea man. My department just paid for us to go, I had prior obligations but apprently the people that went learned alot and many simple ways to judge fire by taking a sec to look at the smoke. Those classes are very educational and now days, i think it should be a requirement for getting a FF. cert. just my 2 cents tho =D
bigmlt3 2 years ago
Whoever thinks that setting up a fan on a fire like this does not deserve to be called a firefighter. The breaking out of the window was not a smart idea at all either, but why do you think setting up a fan would be better. How much air do you think a fan is going to introduce 1opperattorrigger. Think!
arsninvestigator 2 years ago
My question below was sincere. Did the stairs get burned out?!?
frhwk03 2 years ago
it looks like a single story dwelling. the attic was probably only accessable with a drop ladder from the ceiling...
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
it was a flashover you morons....it was the officer's fault for taking the front windows...this department is a joke and so are the rest of you idiots leaving comments...especially wolverine you god damn nerd.
abyss0489 2 years ago
There is visible fire throughout which rules out backdraught.
It is a fire gas ignition.
Though most of the fire phenomena are very much interlinked and it may well be no one description but a combnation.
wolverine77jlb 2 years ago
You guys knocked that fire down pretty fast. Great work!
lightpaws25 2 years ago
I believe that was a smoke explosion not a flashover. Fire was too rich, then he vented and introduced oxygen.
clayson187 2 years ago
It's called a backdraft
dandoosh90 2 years ago
One question. Why are so many firefighters and officers in this video not in full gear?
larrywanders 2 years ago
Just out of curiosity, why did they take a hoseline to the roof of the first floor and put it out through the window? Were the stairs burned out?
frhwk03 2 years ago
i never claimed to be the sharpest pencil in the box, but im not the dullest either.
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
on 8th street in Monroe??
uifp 2 years ago
terre haute indiana...where did u get monroe??
xxtaintdxx 2 years ago
cuz we have a 8th street here in Monroe and u have a lot of houses/Traler's buren
uifp 2 years ago
That was piss poor ventilation on both the OVM and Commands part maybe if they opened the roof it would have prevented the flash. I feel for that hose team getting there ass kicked by poor vent methods.
ladder10312 2 years ago
1 in, 8 out?
tornadoguy2006 2 years ago
good jog jr duhhh i wonder why it flashed?????
lennydcfd 2 years ago
I am sure this fire god I hoep this fire is not what they do on house or structure fires
bugguy905 2 years ago
who is running this show ???? it looks like the pressure on the line is so high .. it takes less then 150 psi to have a great stream and on stright bore nozzles even half that also wher eis the secound and third line and where is the roof vent???? I have been to nmany fire where the first line in controls the fire but come on lets do it right and get home safe
bugguy905 2 years ago
gecontroleerd uit laten branden, in Nederland dan he !! :)
Snauwert 2 years ago
Of course they're chasing it. I only see one attack line and about 8 guys on it with about 4 "officers" telling them what to do. Granted we can't see it all but it looks pretty piss poor. It's a damn loss at this point, surround and drown! And for god sakes take half the men off the line and start another. It happens everywhere though.
verona887 2 years ago
Who the hell was in charge of this ? I have seen some dangerous operators before but this would be the worst example I have ever seen.
Whoever was in charge should be tied up to a post and publicly flogged for severe endangerment of the crew.
Bad Bad Bad, but a great lessons learnt clip
simonjevan 2 years ago
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Coasterrider210 2 years ago
The dragon has lost this one
Stringerphotographer 2 years ago
i guess its easy for us to set back and sat what we'd do if we was there bu we wasnt.And so i say keep on keeping on.and my hats off to the interior crew at that job!!!!!!!!!!
1opperattorrigger 2 years ago
Thats funny cause you were talking shit in another video.
YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE!
RBs2THEGRAIN 2 years ago
Boy, they are chasing that fire all over the place.
pilot4life15 2 years ago
God, firemen are so brave, in England (im sure its the same in US) that if i heard the word "Fire Service" id just think of the odvious fire stopping, but they also need to deal with car crashes. i certainly couldnt do that
rorrt 2 years ago
I know it's easy to comment when you're not there, but it's sad to see that even in the 21st century firefighters are using such unsafe and poor fireground tatics. Those guys were nearly killed. What a mess. Anyone who who romantisizes about being in a flashover is a complete idiot, and God help us if they ever get to become a firefighter. People like that get themselves killed, and even worse, may kill others. Review your training and tactics I say!
wellynzso 2 years ago
my hats off to all of your firefighters regardless of gender i hope to one day be called a firefighter
SteelEagle33 2 years ago 2
somebody beat the guy with the radio that had the firefighter break the window.he almost killed the interior crew! He shouldve set up a positive pressure fan and kicked the guy with the radio in the nuts!!!!!!
1opperattorrigger 2 years ago
always read the smoke
fireguye4 2 years ago 3
how do you read smoke?
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
comes with experience.. watch how it behaves. is it chugging out? is it looking like the house is breathing. etc.... look upp other vids. you,ll see what i,m saying
fireguye4 2 years ago 2
look at it..when its puffing out the window like that, and its black, there's fire!! thats how you read smoke..fuck, i know that, and i just graduated about 3 yrs ago from the academy!
HookandLadderFilms 2 years ago
WOW! Flashovers are always fun...
DarkMagik0 2 years ago
i hope you are lucky enough to get cought in the middle of one and burn. then say how fun it is. they are not fun you ass hole. real flashovers kill.
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
Jesus christ, I was just expressing an opinion. There's no need to be a fuckin jackass about it.
And I have seen one and the only one who agreed with you were the home owners. So fuck you
DarkMagik0 2 years ago
nice language, you show your age and i still hope you burn bad and live in a flashover so when you are in a hospital bed with 80 % of your skin burnt off and peeling that you can tell me how much fun flashovers are.....
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
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DarkMagik0 2 years ago
you are so right that i couldnt have said it better myself. i still with you could experience one first hand and be cought in the middle. flashovers arent always fun. what dont you get? that was an extremely juvinile thing for you to say. go to your black magik church and leave the talking to the real firefighters...and look how stupid your comment was. people die in flashovers all the time. they are not at all fun.
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
and why are you even talking to me if i am not even worth your prayers. im just a stupid burnt out firefighter. nothing more, nothing less.
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
People in Flash overs do not survive! Been in more than a few fires where it was so hot I was face down on the floor almost dead, that was before it flashed and got out seconds before that Temperature reached the ground and the whole room combusted! My job is not to be a hardcore balls to the wall at any fire! My job is to think, rescue, and put the fire out. My goal is to save lives and see my wife in the morning, Glory gets u killed! I have seen a few fires in the past 18 years with the FDNY
RalphFDNY4life 2 years ago
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WRCATFISH 2 years ago
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Rule #1. Everybody goes home!
megasully 2 years ago
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Very good rule!
RalphFDNY4life 2 years ago
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and why was this given like 4 thumbs down. people are so dumb. and yes, the fireground tactics at this fire were pretty poor. life safety needs to be number 1 priority at all times.
teamgiffin 2 years ago
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Yeah, thumbs down for going home alive, lol..... People are idiots on here! I doubt they are even real firemen. The best thing is "RalphFDNY4Life" is a New York City Firman, I think his opinion matters, and deserves a little RESPECT!!!
LAcoFIREguy 2 years ago
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teamgiffin 2 years ago
if by fun you mean extremely dangerous and a hazard we must, as firefighters, learn to notice the signs of then yes it's really "fun".
i give you the benefit of the doubt though and assume you're being sarcastic
thebleedenator 2 years ago
didnt look like they were to concerned about the neighboring houses either
kimiluvsya 2 years ago 2
This was a very good video showing a flashover...and what not to do when you have "guys" on the inside. The fire was already vented on the side of the house. I saw no reason to break the windows on the front porch...almost caused some serious injuries or fatalities. If they wanted to vent, why not try the roof?
Who was that female firefighter? She looked pretty darn hot to say the least!
firemedic417 2 years ago
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guess they lost that house and i guess the guys on the front porch masks were not working i did notr see any on them.
lennydcfd 2 years ago
guess they lost that house and i guess the guys on the front porch masks were not working i did notr see any on them.
lennydcfd 2 years ago
gosh... im speechless it wasnt that long ago when my house went up in a burning blaze it sucked really bad
MyPinkRainbow 2 years ago
i love woman firefighters . i think every station should have one i had one in my company and i had to book her for refusing to raise a ladder during drill time because her nails were still wet. they are definatly a trip as long as they dont try to push your buttons and play the sexual harassment bull on you like she did. she was very obedient after i booked her though and personell laughed at her sexual harassment claim.
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, that looked like more of a backdraft, no? Oxygen presented to pressurized gases, heat, and smoke = Kaboom? I can see the evidense of flashover ( fire licking along roof, ect.. ) and I can see there was lots of fire up until then, but didn't seem to be all that crazy up until oxygen was presented.
smarch1337 2 years ago
what the hell is that woman doing there...worthless...women shouldnt be fire fighters unless they juice
sittinheavy 2 years ago
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Watch it, I am a woman firefighter.
draft2916 2 years ago
6 lives that ff almost took breaking that window
rockinfireman95 2 years ago
nobody is perfect. you never know, maybe releasing that heat saved their lives. who knows. an old saying where i used to work. if your aunt had nuts sheda been your uncle. ie, woulda shoulda coulda. one day i hope to be as wise as you to post such a comment
WRCATFISH 2 years ago
Man!!! I can't wait to fight one of those ones. Cool video.
hoopdancer417 3 years ago
Glad to see everyone got out when it flashed!!!!!!!!
XD40JO 3 years ago
I lived a block away from this house when the fire happened, and I still think that the crazy lady down the street had something to do with this. Her boyfriend was a meth cooker, and she'd been out messing around that house in the middle of the night, supposedly looking for her dog.
jynnantonix 3 years ago
wow, this is a great video
eng112ine 3 years ago
i lived across the street when that happened
austing93 3 years ago
Do they wear ear protection for that chainsaw I think I'm hearing?
utopiapraxis 3 years ago
No we do not wear hearing protection when operating the saw at a fire.
sdalton295 3 years ago 2
damn..what caused that fire in the 1st place?
QClubs 3 years ago
arson
sdalton295 3 years ago
Your bread and butter is a surround and drown! and get the F#$%'n civilians outa the damn way!
tw72062 3 years ago 2
How do you call our operation a surround and drown when crews were doing an interior attack? The tactics went to defensive then offensive again. Has your department ever had a transitional attack? At what point were civilians in the way or in danger? I think it's hard to assume that with the angle of the camera especially since it's zoomed. At what time in the video do you see civilians in the way? I have never said everything went right. Do you have anything better?
sdalton295 3 years ago 3
Remember, the risk isn't worth the benefit in this situation.
1STWC1stin 3 years ago
Say's who? The first arriving was not 100% sure that the house was unoccupied. Though things didn't go as planed this is a bread and butter operation for us. This is an older house with dimensional lumber; it will withstand the effects of fire. The camera didn't catch the condition's when the first engine arrived. They evaluated the situation and went interior. Am I saying an abandoned house is worth a firefighter? No, but they made a decision to attack and no one got hurt. Job Done!
sdalton295 3 years ago
I run with the First West Chester Fire Company-Station 51 which is part of the West Chester Fire Department in Chester County, PA. This is how we would handle this type of situation:
1) A RIT assignment would be standing by on scene.
2) Evacuate the building (evacuation tones/5 air horn blasts).
3) Exterior attack and master stream will be utilized.
1STWC1stin 3 years ago
Man you boys are hard core with all that book talk. lol im kidding we do stuff a little different, and I know you guys are aware of that. In our hood it seems we are always walking up flights and flights of stairs, lol
RalphFDNY4life 3 years ago
haha i love the guys reaction when the fire flashes... like, "OH HOLY CRAP!!!!!!" lol
TFDEXP 3 years ago
We still use horn blasts in addition to radio evacuation. We do not have the best radio coverage so a redundant notification is the best for our dept. Our packs are low profile 4500 psi, 30 min Draeger SCBA. I can't argue the comment about pulling the deuce. I also will not argue with the decision of the first in officer because they arrived about 5 minutes before the video started so to be fair the conditions were not the same at that point. Interior construction also had a role in the events.
sdalton295 3 years ago
your air packs look small, what size are they?
pocketofcash 3 years ago
they are still 30 minute bottles but they are the old steel cylinders. very heavy and a pain in the butt
RETCFD 3 years ago
im sorry, they might be the new very light composit cylinders. they are either 2216 or the hour cylinder. not sure...
RETCFD 3 years ago
i love to see a good interior attack. nice job guys..
RETCFD 3 years ago
Nice job. Glad no one was injured. Couple of comments. I have been through a similar situation, and the only thing that might have helped was the use of a bigger initial hand line. 2 1/2. Big fire, Big Water. The house was going to flash regardless, the guy on the porch just sped it up a little, no harm done.
Again great job.
bonerack154 3 years ago
That comment was intended for the FINLAND fire guy who claims a ram fan will clear up ur fire problems before a interior attack..........
LA29PM 3 years ago
Who's in charge here? is it the guy in the gray golf shirt? You see him running around. Also before the guy vents the window you do see behind him the other windows self vents (00:42)
jdjr1276 3 years ago
17 years and complete moron. i think my last firefighter before i retired on disability actually used that name when i put out a room and content with a booster hose. the fire went out so he ate his words.... great scale..good job guys/girls.i guess after 15 months out im a has been also... hahaha....
cowrunfar 3 years ago
holy cow they were in that when it flashed over??
chikotube 3 years ago
Guys / Gals:
Thank you for the comments. Its been a while since Ive viewed this so Ive not responded lately. Instead of typing more rebuttals please take the time to read my posts when the video was first posted. There are several posts answering questions. Those posts should clear up a lot of questions about why this was done versus something else. I will say this.
sdalton295 3 years ago
Water was being put on the fire, the apartment was a duplex and the initial hose team was in the CD corner extinguishing fire. Another important point is that the Ladder was dispatched approx. 4 minutes after the initial alarm. So the truck Co. was trying to play catch up. Was mistakes made? Yes! Reading the first posts should clear up questions!
sdalton295 3 years ago
For the brothers / sisters who continue to use name calling as a way to add grit to your argument Grow Up Just for reference here is how our name progression goes.
0-5 years Scholar, 5-10 years know it all, 10-15 years Idiot, 15-20 years moron, 20-25 years has been, 25+ years brain dead! I will say, in my nine years as a career FF, Ive learned a lot from the Has beens and the Brain Deads!
sdalton295 3 years ago
It looks like a backdraft the a flashshover to me... If you notice only after he busted the window and introduce a fresh supply of air for the fire to breath did it react like that.
JNS70 3 years ago
anyone know why the three blasts from the air horns on the trucks?
urbusted1112 3 years ago
it is noitice to evacuate the building for any FF's inside.
redooh8 3 years ago
do some departments still use the air horns? i always thought hi-los were pretty common
yamaharacer2323 3 years ago
Here in Finland we use put smoke fan to front door and break windows from back of the building. Then we start fan and open the door. Fan pushes heat, smoke and flammable gases out from windows.
This makes interior attack easyer and safer, due to good visablity and less chance of flahsover.
I have seen meny videos which shows that yuo guys go into building whit out a hose, why?
If something unexpected happens you got yuor hose ready to defend yourself. ( Here in Finland )
Glemenza 3 years ago
In America, at my Fire Department we use a method of ventilation called "Cutting a hole in the roof" My department is a very small department outside of L.A. City, and it is a new concept where I work LOL ......... Fans and opening windows is for unattended food, not all hands working fires.
LA29PM 3 years ago
Good call, PPV post fire is the safest way.
ugyfd 3 years ago
you are all right....
h8painting 3 years ago
why no water on the fire only after it flashed
tigerman999999 3 years ago
H&L companies ventilate the roof so the heat and steam have a place to go up and away when the E&H companies mount an interior attack. This does not add oxygen to the fire. Improper ventilation such as windows on or below the fire level before there is water on it can cause a flashover or sudden backdraft.
BTW this structure must have had heck and half of a fire load inside to cook like that. Smart, safe attack and heck of job on a though one by the THFD.
firebear4 3 years ago
positive pressure in-service with heavy smoke pushing from the attic and also fire visible from the rear?why was this done?
fmartinjr 3 years ago
i couldnt beleive there were still people in there after it started flashin
deflep86 3 years ago
you know this is sad that some1s house is burning down and all you can do is pull out a video camera?!? What if some1 put your house burning on youtube 0/5 very bad mate u should be ashamed
Gamefreak1308 3 years ago
What do you want the person to do....video can be very helpful in lessons learned, without video you can't improve on your training. It's sad when my ballteam can't learn how to throw to a hitter, but with video I can learn what to throw and when to throw..figure it out MATE!
wresqu 3 years ago
I don't understand why you guys knock holes in the house providing more oxygen to the fire...is this helpful?
dmatt10635 3 years ago