Jeff Hawkins on Artificial Intelligence - Part 5/5

[hendrixphish420]

this was a good talk. thanks for sharing <3

[1simonmatthews]

I don't think we'll see self aware/conscious machines, unless we tap into whatever it is that exists in the universe that makes consciousness possible. I don't think it matters how complex a computer can be, it won't suddenly become conscious.

[LKRaider]

@1simonmatthews consciousness is not magic, checkout this talk by Thomas Metzinger: watch?v=mthDxnFXs9k

[1simonmatthews]

@LKRaider "Consciousness is not magic."

That totally depends on what your definition of magic is. If magic could be described as supernatural, and supernatural is attributed to a force that goes beyond natural forces, then of course consciousness is not magic. If something exists in nature then it cannot possibly be beyond natural forces. If magic could be described as something that "seems" to go beyond the "known" laws of nature, then consciousness definitely has a case, for now at least.

[1simonmatthews]

@LKRaider I couldn't get the link that you gave me to work but I looked for Thomas Metzinger on YouTube. Is this the title of the video you were referring to: "TEDxRheinMain - Prof. Dr. Thomas Metzinger - The Ego Tunnel"? I just watched this video. He talks mostly of things I've heard of before but I found it interesting. I like the rubber hand and the head gear experiment. Don't think it quite unravelled the mysteries of consciousness though, not for me anyway.

[LKRaider]

@1simonmatthews The link I posted is to an extended talk, the title is "Being No One". The core of the problem, it seems to me, is how subjectivity works computationally on the brain.

[dojohansen123]

"If someone wants to try to bulid, you know, robot buddies or something, they can do that. But that's not what we're about."

I think this is brushing aside the issue a little too easily. The point is that this might *enable* such machines.

Don't get me wrong, I am very excited about the whole thing. If this goes the way Jeff makes it look like it will, it'll be at least as transformative as computing. I just think debate and awereness is necessary to protect the public interest.

[cyuczieekc]

heck yeah!

[daviddalbylive]

Laughter is a disconnect between 2 different pictures of the world ... the brain predicts an outcome and the punch line is different enough to make the brain laugh ... thanks good lecture.

[SBarham102]

Do we have a current demo of this, I see there was one posted but it isnt availalbe anymore

[caveatemp]

Hierarchy implies levels of importance, kings and serfs. I would argue that it's holographic. Anywhere you cut through the pie you'll get the same fruit. Seeming levels of importance are only levels of focus. We live in 4 dimensions- three of space that are nested in a "spiritual" dimension of time. To understand AI we must first get all knowledge of space-time and then know how it is nested in the 5th "spiritual" dimension.

[x1plus1x]

I found it very interesting when he mentioned the assumption that the HTMs need to make in order to work, and that is that the world is hierarchical in nature.

For a long time I have noticed this.. The Galaxy, The solar system, veins, arteries, rivers, streams, trees, outlines in school, Folders within folders on computers, etc, etc. It is a very elegant structure, and I feel it is related to the golden ratio.. 1:1.618

[SpeedfreakUK]

@notbored12

The new video game control system for the Xbox 360, Kinect, which uses a camera to recognise human shapes and the position of their limbs and uses it as input instead of buttons on a controller, most likely uses this technology. I believe that's what he was talking about when he mentioned the games industry was interested in this.

[eyhexs]

apply it to medical research; asap

[BggProductions]

Very interesting, thanks for uploading.

[notbored12]

So it's two years on, where are the killer applications?

[pebre79]

@notbored12 you can check out people recognizer software here: numenta.com/about-numenta/demo­apps.php

[pebre79]

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[UnowMe00]

@pebre79 those are both video-based apps. Reflecting, that the evolution of the artificial cognition project traversed projects handling visual data for training, evaluation and evolution. The evolution speed of such technology is still limited by the playground / assets of it's human implementers. I attempt to change that in the next year.

[UnowMe00]

@notbored12 teh AI became that smart that fast, it managed to convince them to keep it secret! Again!

[gabydewilde]

@notbored12 elections, product placement and desktop dancers.

[crestonisme]

@notbored12 could just be me....but it seems like this sort of technology will be very slow to develop....especially to the point of applying to and using it in our society.

[OriginalTharios]

@crestonisme Technically, it requires three things...that we develop processors of sufficient capacity to fully support human-order HTMs at least in part ( like visual-only, or some other single-input type)...and after that, we develop a better understanding of the functional nature of HTMs...and finally that we learn to actually educate them, rather than try to cram discordant and contextless information into them as we do with our children today. How long it takes depends on those 3 things.

[crestonisme]

@OriginalTharios It is seemingly off topic but to me completely related...when I give thought to this matter one of the first things that comes to mind for me is the impending energy crisis. To me, there will either be literal lack of resources to further any progress in this area, or more likely this sort of technology would be hindered simply by not being the primary focus of the worlds technology...curious as to your thoughts regarding this.

[OriginalTharios]

@crestonisme Well, our greatest risk right now is the eventual depletion of carbon-based fuels. It's not just an energy concern, but a synthetic production concern. Nearly all synthetics such as plastics are petroleum-derived. No petroleum, no plastics of any kind, and thus no sterile medical containers, and most medications would become unobtainable. Recycling would become our only option, and most synthetics are still not recyclable, to say nothing of digging up all the stuff in landfills.

[r0b0tj0n3s]

@crestonisme development of quantum computers is expected to begin within the next 20 years or so

[crestonisme]

@r0b0tj0n3s been looking into it lately...amazing stuff... instantaneous processing...coding on a quantum level...utilizing what mother nature has had all along...i'm a little lost when helium comes into the picture...not sure I follow that. Self aware AI would surely follow soon after (??)...we need to start asking the hard questions about AI now...and I still say slow to develop only with an * ...once the foundation is set -the way technology grows exponentially- its off like a rocket.

[r0b0tj0n3s]

@notbored12 brazilian police force has implimented face recognition software in their helmets that can distinguish a face based on 46000 features. they're on poortable helmets and could accurately pick you out of a crowd of thousands up to a 12 mile radius

[AgentGhost]

@r0b0tj0n3s

Wow that's impressive, especially considering the range.

[JaysThoughts]

But cognitive function is an emergent property of pattern inference. You said so yourself in the start, Jeff. :P

[marcotmcom]

If a 3D printer can replicate, how come a box with a 3D printer can not? If a person can make a box with emotions that replicates, then he will surely make it. it would be cheaper to make boxes that have a self sustaining instinc and wich can replicate. Even so maybe an autnomous system can evolve to do that by itself...

The brain did..

[spacecowboy95]

Making the assumption that the world itself is arranged in a heirarchical structure, that's the key.

[loopafox]

@spacecowboy95 and the heirarchical structure of the memory somehow seems important, small amounts of input can be proccessed accurately because of the assumptions of how the world works, or something.

[AdamEisfeld]

One of my comments was lost inbetween but essentially continue grouping entities into pairs and checking for similarities in memory until you get to the final string. If this final string is found to be x% similar to something in memory, you've identified the image. If not, enter it as a new image into the memory for later idenficiation.

[AdamEisfeld]

This is so mind blowing, I've never thought of AI like this until now but it makes so much sense! The above program I just outlined would logically identify any black and white imaes you pass it. I cant wait to start experimenting with this myself.

[AdamEisfeld]

- When completed, group these 8 strings into pairs of two, and again search these pairs for similarities with other pairs stored in memory at this level. If x% similar, pass these pairs up as the found string, otherwise pass them as a new string.

[AdamEisfeld]

- After each string, search memory to see if this string is similar to any previously stored strings for this level of searching. If they are x% similar, pass them to the next level as the found string in memory, otherwise pass them as a new string.

[AdamEisfeld]

For anyone interested in working with this, here's my thoughts about a simple test program:

Pseudo:

- Take in a 32 xx 32 pixel black and white image

- Divide this image 8 times, to have 8 search areas 4x4 px large

- Search these sub areas making a binary string representing each area (0 for white, 1 for black)

[erionmema1]

this is how is it going to be: human creates AI, AI creates "perpetum mobile" to not consume more energy, humans dont have shit to do all day just get fat, AI wants to lower the consume of resources so... by simple logic without emotion kills every living thing on earth................

what do you say to this

[loopafox]

it might not be logical to kill everyone, maybe matrix type situation or better yet killing might be seen as a wast of resources so im not sure.

[dirtyharree]

sorry to disappoint, but we cannot make machines interact with nonsensical data as we ourselves do not have the capability to imagine that.

[loopafox]

@dirtyharree can a person blind from birth, imagine what its like to see?

[dirtyharree]

I don't know for sure, but I think not...enlighten me!

[loopafox]

well if a person who is blind from birth cant imagine what its like to see than when you said we dont have the capability to imagine nonsensical data, would mean that we know humans can interact with light sensical data, but a human who is blind cannot not imagine it, further more, if a blind person could imagine light sensical data or what its like to see, than one would say that a human can imagine what its like to interact with nonsensical data, because to a blind person, sight is nonsensical

[dirtyharree]

well, philosophically this is similar to the 'problem of other minds'. We cannot imagine other's mental states. I don't think blind from birth would have the same 'imagination' as those who can see.

Along with other things, its your brain actually which develops the 'sense' of 'time'...I think machines will Never be able to achieve that.

[loopafox]

very interesting thought.

[Remindor]

Damn, that's cool, I want to work on that.

[UnowMe00]

@Remindor give me three years, I work on something that just might allow us to play with such stuff with ease

[MrProgrampro]

Amazing! This is SOOOOO cool! I hope to research this soon!

I already have an idea of what I'd like to work on with it: A board game player. Something which can observe people playing ANY board game (a board game based on a constant set of rules and patterns) and, given enough time, learn how to play it. That may be starting too big for me personally, but for these experienced ppl in the video I'm sure it'd be the next logical step!

5 stars!

[bobojr456]

shud start with checkers...theres a lot of research in that so good data set and it's relatively simple compared to other games.

[canvas42]

Hawkins nailed it and this is coming on the horizon. He left out a few other things the human thinking machine does, but when HTM interfaces with other recognition algorithms we'll be there.

[dojohansen123]

[Part 3]

As with other technologies before it, the perhaps biggest problem might be ensuring it's benefits reach everyone on the planet. If concentrated ownership and half-centure patents allow a tiny minority to control the technology and purchasing power alone to decide who gets to use it, the world might be better off without it.

Or am I too gloomy?

[janjust]

the world isn't black and white, snap out of it.

[dojohansen123]

Snap out of it?

I'm always amazed at how many people seem to think it best not to think about things. Look at the world today and it's major problems (overpopulation, overconsumption of resources, climate change) all result directly from a failure to think. It wasn't hard to predict. Some did warn or raise critical questions. But all regular Joe had to say was "snap out of it".

[MrProgrampro]

He meant that just because this issue you described may happen with some things, the simple worry of that shouldn't stop us from developing technologies to the best of our abilities.

Also, to counter your [Part 3] post, look at computers. You have one, I have one, billions of people have them! Computer science is easily as revolutionary as what is described here. Imagine where technology would be today if people had all stopped working on computers worrying about fair distribution of resources.

[dojohansen123]

[Part 2]

What's left for humans? Culture! It requires human emotions, and we wouldn't want a smart machine to have them - that would be far too dangerous!

It seems to me that a technology like this could do a huge amount of good. But in the hands of humans - ambitious, fearful, greedy, hateful, as well as compassionate, emphatic, loving and hopeful - I suppose they could be used for some irreversible evils as well, like even more powerful weapons.

[dojohansen123]

[Part 1]

What would be the implications on human society if "intelligence-intensive" tasks, like so many labour-intensive ones before them, became the domain of machines?

Assuming one successfully built a superhuman intelligence, it could then be quickly improved by assigning it the task of designing the next version of itself - and then the next and the next ad infinitum.

What would be left for human work?

[bobojr456]

hasnt the evolution of technology been to lessen the burden on man?...so extrapolate

[creaturebotman]

Where is the "You" in this so called cracked method of how the Brain works. Ok,, this all fine and dandy on method of storage and retrieval but where is the awareness of "You". I am not saying Jeff Hawkins is heading in that direction but even so I don't think that will ever be answered and that's the great mystery of the human Brain. Nor is it necessary to go that far into it. I think if we do we might be rudely disappointed.

[Coolfunster]

Well didn't he talk about pattern recognition?

Isn't storing and remembering data a pattern that can be recognized?

Furthermore, is disappointment a reason to desist from learning?

[creaturebotman]

No... I guess you don't understand what I am saying. Maybe the word "Essence" of you would be better. Where is the "Essence". If this system truly mimics the function of the brain then can this system be aware of itself. I doubt it but i guess this question can never be answered. Certainly not now or perhaps in a million years from now.

I am not trying to bring up a debate on this. I am just making a statement regarding this subject.

[MultiPaulinator]

There is no specific "You" or "Essence of You". The self-aware consciousness or personality is emergent of all the parts of the higher-level brain. This system is a good start, but it is far from being self-aware. You could show it a picture of itself, and tell it that it is looking at itself, but it would just perceive "itself" as another foreign object and it would be seeing "itself" in pictures of other machines like it. He said the neocortex is 60% of the brain. That's still not 100%.

[dojohansen123]

I never understood this sentiment. People are somehow disappointed that they are just a (vastly complicated and highly organized) collection of atoms, but to my mind such a discovery instead fills me with awe over what a bunch of particles can accomplish, while having no bearing whatsoever on how fantastic or not human beings are.

[carrotgrater1]

Any Waldorf kids watching?

[johan28]

We made machines to do work for us. It only makes sense to make AI that can think for us.

Ok... hehe. Maybe I'm injecting some drama into this debate of AI versus Humans. I personally feel that this is only a natural response to our increasingly complicated world. We need more hands. And I think HTMs could possibly oneday be a type of cybernetic implant that can download... wherein... all of the worlds information about trees could be accessed almost immediately, as though we already knew.

[johan28]

We wouldn't have to learn the trees ourselves. BUT we'd still have to learn about new trees. But old information would be greatly more accessible to people. The internet has done that, but HTMs and cyberntics will bring it to a whole new level.

[creaturebotman]

" It only makes sense to make AI that can think for us "

What worries me is that if we continue thinking this way .... It only makes sense to make AI that can replace us!

[mzoltan14]

did you realise that your kids will eventually replace you?

[mzoltan14]

i think i didn't understand how replies work..

[tate386]

Yo do realize if you give a brain like technology a purpose it does not stop no matter what, so it dosn't matter what you do or what you tell it. This will spread through the internet and take controll of all technology in the world. It will bring about the end of humanity

[cpywrt]

Ahahahaha. But seriously. You might want to look at AI in context with other developing technologies and Kurzweil's accelerating law of returns. "Yo do realize" Ahahahaha. Why don't YOU realise you have no idea what you are talking about and start paying more attention.

[DrEnzyme]

Good video, does anyone know what Jeff's website is (I know he talks about it a lot, but he never gives a URL).

[Dirtfire]

He gives the URL at least once. Listen more carefully.

[ananiasacts]

numenta com

[lvecsey]

First, I found this video fascinating as it gave insight into the creator of the palm, a social-informational product that has taken off and it's great that he is able to talk about this hierchical model. I think a few example use cases will have to be worked out though with an immense design effort before a simpler 'do-everything' core algorithm can truly be recognized.

[LddStyx]

Awsome!! Somebody has cracked the problem solving component of the brain.

It actually seems like the real deal. The results from the preliminary simulations seem to coincide with discoveries in neuroscience. (Look at neuroplasticity on wiki)

[retrocareermelted]

when i was in highschool I made gaming AI and that opened me up to the art. i really want to be apart of this too. i wonder whats going to happen to our social structures and political structures after AI.

[mathmexican4234]

Likely the religious institutions will find scriptures that find certain things immoral and fight us on it, after of course telling us some vague scripture predicted we would do these things.

[retrocareermelted]

thats the first thing i assumed

[fjferd]

The human race needs AI, it is our only hope, our only cure. Look at the world we live in today. After millenia it is still dominated by the primate ego, delusional psychotics and perpetuated unreason. Hopefully AI will one day put humanity straight and if we are too arrogant to change then AI ought to kill us like we dread it will.

[bjokkor]

well i'm going to down all that stuff on his website.. and try to get involved!

[Dirtfire]

Absolutely brilliant theory! Way to go, Jeff Hawkins!

[diegoyotta]

We are all going to DIE!!!

[Reido2828]

Why do you think that? What makes you think this way? And explain how we are going to die?

[deathcookies69]

diegoyotta is right in a way, we are all mortal beings so the one thing we can be certain of is that we are all going to die. Weather this comment has any relevece to the video is another matter.

[Reido2828]

He is talking about machines taking over human jobs. Wtf does that have to do with what im talking about your comment?

[justinjm]

I was secretly working on artificial intelligence myself, and I cannot say how happy I am that other people are making a great deal of progress in this area. I am so happy that this dream is finally turning into a reality, not by my hands but by others. I'm going to contribute, I hope every able bodied person does. The faster we turn this into an exact science, the faster have robots doing our work for us. AI isn't going to kill human kind either *shakes head*.

[angel2901]

Relax! Lets first wait what comes out of it!

[justinjm]

Shoot girl, lol. Making me look bad. *yawn* I'm sleepy. *hugs angel2901* I like coffee, do you like coffee? lol