Wer als nachgeborener Deutscher vermeintlich ererbte Vermögensansprüche gegen polnische Bürger erhebt und aus dem Schicksal seiner Eltern oder Großeltern Profit schlagen will, der hat aus der Geschichte nichts gelernt. Er schadet den Polen wie den Deutschen, er ist kein guter Nachbar.
Drodzy Niemcy dajcie już spokój z tym gadaniem o powrocie Śląska do Niemiec. Nikt nie zaprzeczy, że przed wojną Śląsk był niemiecki, ale na mocy ustaleń w Jałcie został przekazany Polsce jako zadośćuczynienie za niemieckie zbrodnie. Mija już 66 lat Polskiego panowania na tych terenach i nie możliwe by wróciły do Was, tak samo jak już nikt nie liczy na powrót Lwowa. Wiązało by się to z identyczną tragedia jak ta przeżyta przez naszych przesiedlanych przodków. Czas skończyć z językiem nienawiści.
They were only a short period under polnish leadership as a fief.
For example in the years 1919/21 plebiscites in East Prussia 97.9%, 92.4% in West Prussia, Lower Silesia 97.6% and Upper Silesia, 62% for the whereabouts by the German Empire. The majority of the inhabitanshas clearly shown it and dismantled the Polish claim myth. Slesia is holy germanic/german land and we get it back.
@Kiermanscania te wasserpolnische brudasy to wy jesteście.smród brud i ubóstwo od was bije.śmierdzące familoki kible na całe piętro itp..idź do szkoły,poucz sie i zobaczysz kto zabrał Śląsk niemiaszką;d.Wielki Wódz Józef Piłsudski.ten co powiedział że ma w dupie śląsk i ślązaków.a stalin to był gorszy skurwiel jak adolfek.jakby nie ruscy to by adolfek pogoniony został.powtórka z grunwaldu by była.
@tasiorewicz Gdyby nie ruscy to by nikt już nie wiedział co to jest ta polska, każdy by myślał że to taka pasta do butów. Powinniście ruskich do dziś po dupie całować kundelki (choć wiem że to określenie w stosunku do was obraża wszystkie psy), więc zamknij swą plebejską mordę, narodowa dziwko, bo nie mam ochoty rozmawiać ze swołoczą.
@tasiorewicz Taa wy zabraliście, jak wy jesteście największymi brudasami i nieudacznikami, gyby nie wasz wujek stalin to by was pewnie dzisiaj na tej planecie nie było, polaczki śmieszne!
Slavic tribes and Slavic nationalites exist all over Eastern Europe. We have the Sorbs and Wends who have lived at peace and harmony within our glorious German Reich for centuries. Why must there be so much resentment over Selesian? The Polish are one of many Slavic speaking peoples. Their national pride rests solely upon their adherence to Catholisicm. Poles are nothing more than Catholic Russians. And this is the problem: Why do the Poles hate their Slavic brothers in Russia ? ? ?
@Avalon400 When you look at the history of Poland and Russia you will find that the Russians often betrayed their polish brothers. For example the massacre in Katyn or during the second world war. I regret that.
Slavic tribes and Slavic nationalites exist all over Eastern Europe. We have the Sorbs and Wends who have lived at peace and harmony within our glorious German Reich for centuries. Why must there be so much resentment over Selesian? The Polish are one of the Slavic speaking peoples. Their national pride rests solely upon their adherence to Catholisicm. Poles are nothing more than Catholic Russians. And this is the problem: Why do the Poles hate their Slavic brothers in Russia ? ? ?
Śląsk (eng. Silesia) was from the very beginning of Poland a core Polish province,both nationally and historically.It was inhabitted by Polish tribes,of which the biggestin Silesia was the Ślężans (not Silesians!) and after 2-3 decades,together with other Polish tribes like the pommeranians,Mazovians,Vistulans,Polans andd others,formed the Polish nation.A strictly Polish province since the IXth century.Even in the XVIIIth century Prussian authorities had to make announcements in Polish!
@PolskiNarodowiecND Silingii were an east Germanic tribe, which survived in Nimptsch (Niemcza) until the 9th century AD. Ślężanie were a mix of Silingii, Germanic Vandal remnants and the new invading West Slavic elite and followers who invaded during the Great Migrations in 6th century AD. Before 600 BC, Silesia was also Celtic or proto-Celtic. From 1015 AD, the duchies of Silesia had German settlement and German intermarriage. Saint Hedwig of Silesia was German.
@PolskiNarodowiecND Silesia was 85 % German-speaking in the 18th century. For the 15 % of Silesian-Slavic (Polish) and Silesian-Moravian (Czech) dialect speakers, announcements were in Polish and Czech.
Wird Zeit, das Schlesien wieder heim kommt, unter polnischer Verwaltung wird das nichts. Schlesien war immer germanisch und somit bleibt es deutsches Land und Kulturgut.
@Radagis2 boaa hörst du nicht deine nazi parolen das erzählt dir jeder zweite besessene nazi was du hier mit deiner NAZI Propaganda abziehst.das leben kann doch echt schön sein wirf deinen pc weg u hol dein leben aus DEM KLO dass du dich nicht schämst für deine primitve hass streuung obwohl du dichSICHERselbst schon lächerlich findest xD weil du weist das nicht was du schreibst hand u fuss hast das sind ja die islam-hetzer besser als du mit begründungen töte die anderen weil sie anders denken xD
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO Nazi=National Zionist und mein kleiner polnisch, nationalistischer Khazar, ich habe solches blut nicht in meinen Adern und meine schlesischen Ahnen hatten dies auch nie. Ich bin Antizionist und aus diesen Gründen kann ich schon mal kein Nazi sein, aber dies geht eh nicht in deine Birne. Wo rufe ich zum Hass auf, ich hasse niemanden, denn sowas ist selbszerstörerisch. Ich demontiere jediglich nur eure gefälschte nationalistische, polnische Geschichte, das isenUnterschied :-).
@Radagis2 es ist sinnlos rechts zu sein sowas ist primitiv
vorallem in einem land wie deutschland ist es sinnlos weil du hier sogut wie niemanden findest der keine ausländischen wurzeln hat .
& lass mal die keltischen & ghotischen wurzeln stecken wir können heutzutage von ganz anderen wurzeln der deutschen sprechen also erstmal hat mehr al ein drittel der OFFIZIELLEN deutschen die also einen perso haben AULÄNDISCHE WURZELN dann haben wir hier noch genug millionen RICHTIGE AUSLÄNDER da = 50/50%
Skundloni folksdojcze do Niemiec!Śląsk był,jest i bęzie zawsze rdzennie polską krainą.Od samego początku państwa polskiego takim był a Niemcy mieli swoje siedziby nie na zachód od Odry i Nysy Łużyckiej ale na zachód od Łaby a takie miasta jak Drezno,Chociebyuż,Strzała,Roztoka,Lubeka,Jarobród - ba! - nawet Bralin (Berlin),należały do niezmiernie blisko spokrewnionych z Polakami plemion lechickich.Niech więc Niemcy i ich skundloni folksdjocze nie zaczynają pieprzyć o historii Śląska
Schlesien sowie alle Ländereien welche zur Zeit Polnisch sind werden immer deutsch bleiben, die Polen sind dort nur unwilkommene Gäste auf Zeit. Das Land weiss zu wem es gehört.
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@eisenerkaiser NA WIEDEReinMEETING POINT für NAZI ACCOUNTS die auch noch fast einem irren gehören u der ist so typisch nazi DDR arm dass er sich die NAZI KOMMENTARE auhc nich selbst hochbewerten muss xD dann wird hier auch das typischDREISTE NAZI SYSTEMbenutzt selbstgespräche unter den accounts die sowieso nur einem nazi gehörenDAS VIDEO IST AUCH VON EIN u dem selben OMG ist das eine arme NAZI - SHOW hier !! dann hat die NPD für 2011 pläne noch mehr die INTERNET FORENzuBOMBARDIERENmit PROPAGANDA
Keine Ahnung was du da redest, aber deine Argumente erinnern mich an all die Leute ohne Hirn. Wenn man nicht mehr weiß was man sagen soll dann wirft man einfach mal das Wort "Nazi" in die Runde und kommt mit den immer gleichen Argumenten daher, sowas nenne ich einen richtig armen Mitläufer der untersten Sorte.
Du hältst dich selber als Slavische Überrasse und willst mich als Nazi darstellen, allein daran sieht man wie wenig Hirn du zu besitzen scheinst. **lecherlich**
@eisenerkaiser ACH scheinst mich zu kenne ichKENNE DICH NICHTalso siehst du dass du der internt NAZI bist mit denUNZÄHLIGEN ACCOUNTSjunge es ist fakt was ich schreibe dieNPDversucht alle internet foren zuBEEINFLUSSENgoogle mal bißchen rumSOGARhoheNPDleute sind hier vertretenUM NAZI PROPAGANDA ZU VERBREIT ABER DASweißt du wohl am besten!! u noch was wenn man flieht weil man einen krieg verliert um nicht das sebe zu erleben was die von deutschland überfallenen länder erlebtenIST DAS KEINE VERTRE..
Und was hat das alles mit der NPD zu tun? Die NPD ist eine Rechts orientierte Partei, mit der ich überhaupt nichts am Hut habe, ich bin in keinsterweiße Rechts, also ist das was du da schreibst fürn arsch. Wie ich bereits sagte ist das eine Argumentation die du dir schenken kannst und über so nen Schwachsinn brauch ich erst garnicht Googeln. Ich habe auch keine unzählige Accounts, wie du schon richtig bemerkt hast kennen wir uns nicht! woher willste das also alles wissen?
Und was hat das alles mit der NPD zu tun? Die NPD ist eine Rechts orientierte Partei, mit der ich überhaupt nichts am Hut habe, ich bin in keinsterweiße Rechts, also ist das was du da schreibst fürn arsch. Wie ich bereits sagte ist das eine Argumentation die du dir schenken kannst und über so nen Schwachsinn brauch ich erst garnicht Googeln. Ich habe auch keine unzählige Accounts, wie du schon richtig bemerkt hast kennen wir uns nicht! woher willste das also alles wissen?
@eisenerkaiser ALSO du verhälst dichHAARGENAUnach demINTERNET NAZIverhaltensmuster 1)dreist lügen u leugnen! 2)filme reinstellen u dann mit anderen eigenen nazi accountsDISKUSSIONEN SIMULIERENin richtung rechts orientierter MEINUNGSMACHE ! 3)kommentare selbst hoch bewerten u die anderen spamen! 4)versuchen den eindruck zu erwecken dass hier viele NICHT NUR DU debatierst u aus ganz verschiedenen ecken der welt u WELTANSCHAUNGENwas aber immer nur du bist ! 5) sag niemal das du ein NPD trottel bist
Also 1. Ich lüge und leugne hier in keinster weiße [wenn ja gib Fakten an und Laber nicht immer den gleichen Schund zusammen], 2. Ich simuliere keine Meinungsmache [ auch hier gilt erst überlegen, dann reden!], 3. Wo kommentiere ich meine Sachen selber ? [Gib mir dazu nur ein einziges Beispiel], 4. Musst du besser formulieren, kapier nicht was du mir damit genau sagen willst, 5. Ich weiß sehrwohl das ich "keinem" rechten Lager angehöre! Tipp: ERST FAKTEN SAMMELN, dann schreiben!
@eisenerkaiser u wie immer ist das dieTYPISCHE DREISTE NAZI ANTWORTvon dir u es gibt kein fakten für denen müll den du behauptest das ist ales nazikompatibel zusammengeblogen u gelogen DAS DUMMST U ein punkt woran man gleich die nazi ecke bei youtube erkennt ist das dumme gequatsche von derBRD GmbH das ist soein kindischer müllES IST UNGLAUBLICHwas angeblich erwachsenen "menschen" alles dummes labbern können deutsche u deutschland sollte sich damslnur nicht IMMER aus dem fenster lehnen wie immer
Ah, naja aber wenn du vo deinen Worten so überzeugt bist müsstet du ja auch ein Nazi sein, denn wenn du ein polnischer Patriot bist ist das für mich nichts anderes. Ich bin auch nur ein Stück weit patriotisch, mehr nicht. Ich hab nicht einmal irgendwas in richtung Nazi-Propaganda gesagt, deshalb kapier ich nicht warum du immer wieder das Wort mit reinbringst. Du bist doch dann genauso, eben nur ein Polnisches Rechtsradikales Schwein!
@eisenerkaiser Der schreibt auf fast allen Seiten das gleiche und scheint den Wortlaut nur zu kopieren, einen jeden der nicht seiner Ansicht ist, unterstellt er viele accounts zu haben, weil er selber viele hat. Außerdem versucht er die Deutschen untereinder aufzuhetzen verbündet sich mit jedem Deutschenhasser usw..
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO Ich brauche nur einen Account du möchtegern polnischer Nationalist und wenn ihr nicht spurt bekommt ihr von den Russen wieder eins vor den Latz und dies muss nicht mal miliärisch sein ;-).
@eisenerkaiser was für fakten du hast glück des es überhaupt nochmal ein deutschland gab !! du nazi mit den anti polnischen accounts !! geh weg u tarn dich nicht so billig !
heute DIE DEUTSCHE MÖREDER 23.30 uhr auf ARD die deutschen MÖRDER "Hitlers POLIZEI" wie sie mit allen andern mördern wie SA u SS unter einer decke steckten u mit der WHERMACHT !
schande schande alles was ihr deutsche nazis her bei YT veranstaltet
Ich empfehle dir das Buch "POLEN NICHT NUR OPFER, Die Verschwörung des Verschweigens" !
Allein das diese TV Sendung die du Ansprichst in einem Deutschen Sender gezeigt wird zeit sehr gut das WIR DEUTSCHEN uns mit unserer dunklen Vergangenheit auseinandersetzen, was man von den Polen nicht behaupten kann, hier wir wie immer die Schuld nur bei den anderen gesucht, nicht jedoch bei sich selbst. Deshab lese das Buch und denk mal über deine scheiße nach die du hier rumlaberst!!
@eisenerkaiser HEY DU INTERNT NAZI PROPAGANDIST verzieh dich einfach u nimm deine NAZI HETZ "LITERATUR"mit ach u diene Anti-polnischen ACCOUNTS könntest du auch löschen !!
@eisenerkaiser das erzählst du mit jedem account DU BIST EIN KRANKES DEUTSCHES ARMES OST NAZI SCHWEIN das die ANTI polnische internet front am leben erhält !!
DU MUSST DICH BEHANDELN LASSEN ! ! echt obwohl duseone armes ungebildetets ostler-stück bist TUST DU MIR i-wie leid ich habe sogar kommentare von dir AN ALLEN FEIERTAGEN GESEHEN du arme wurst OMG lass dir helfen und NOCH EIN tipp guck dir deutschland mal an VO DEN KRIEGEN u AUCH NACH DEN kriegen ES WAR NIE SO wie du ES GERNE HÄTTESTxD
@eisenerkaiser von welchem nazi verlag ist das buck vom kopp verlag oder welchem ? DAS NAZI LITERATUR im osten deutschland vorallem ständig gedrückt wird u NOCH HEUTE ist mir klar xDDD(DER TITEL SAG SCHON ALLES xD)OMG liest du da nicht schon den anti-polonimus raus ? es gibt auch internt seiten die angeblich polnische nachrichten auf deutsch sein sollen wie POLSKAWEB das aber eine REIN deutsche nazi seite ist die ANTI-POLNISCH STIMMEN SOLL u das impressum ein fake ist die seite kommt aus BLN usw
Du machst dich hier durch deine billigen und völlig unbegründeten, immer gleichen Antworten total lächerlich. Schiebst dich selbst total ins Abseits. Denk doch wie du es willst, aber wenn du dich wirklich mal etwas mehr informieren würdest und nicht immer nur mit dem Wort Natzi argumentieren würdest dann wären deine Aussagen auch näher an der Realität.
Schlesien ist und bleibt Deutsch !!!!! Meine Oma wurde aus Schlesien verjagt , ihr wurde das Haus weggenommen. Die Frauen in der Nachbarschaft wurden vom IVAN vergewaltgt und geschlagen , einige auch umgebracht weil sie ihr hab und gut schützen wollten. Meine Oma konnte nichts dafür das Krieg war. Eines Tages ist Schlesien wieder fest in Deutscher Hand und dafür kämpfe ich !!!!!
@PkkFreedomFighter2 und was wuerdest du tun ? Noch ein Krieg beginnen? Ist euch ja nicht genug so viele leute zu mordern und eignen Land zerstoeren zu lassen ? Uberlege es mal, bevor du noch was zum Thema Schlesien sagst. Pyrsk
@vtgbart wir ermordet feinde du bogel wir tötten die leute die seit hudnerjahren mind.300.tasuend ziivle kurdemn ermordet haben ,wir töten nur feindliche türk.terorist-"soldaten2"! also sei leise wen du keine ahnung hast ,du gucks wohl zu viel tv. tv ist nicht gleich realität !
@PkkFreedomFighter2 Im meinem Kommentar meinte ich Schlesien, nicht Kurdistan. Sag mir mal nur: was fuer ein Anspruch hat du auf meinem Land wenn du Kurde bist und bestimmt kein Ahnung hast was Schlesien war und ist?
@PkkFreedomFighter2 Im meinem Kommentar meinte ich Schlesien, nicht Kurdistan. Sag mir mal nur: was fuer ein Anspruch hat du auf meinem Land wenn du Kurde bist und bestimmt keine Ahnung hast was Schlesien war und ist?
halts maul du kanacke, ich bin schelsier und habe das recht zu sagen, dass schlesien schlesien und nicht deutschland ist... verpiss dich nach kurdistan wir wollen euch nicht hier, und noch weniger in oberschlesien!
Meine Mutter kommt aus Neisse ps: Meine Familie hat zwar "nur" eine 250 Jährige geschichte in Schlesien aber ich denke genauso wie du !, davor sind sie von Böhmen dort hingezogen, ich verstehe mich trotzdme als stolzer OBERschlesier
Ach unser schönes schlesisches Land! Hoffentlich wirst du einmal wieder deutsch! Grüss aus dem Teil Schlesiens, das momentan in tschechischer Verwaltung ist!:-)
NeuKulm is Chelmno. The Jews were not part of the Wartheland expulsion. They were sent to Chelmno- a death camp that predated Oswiecim. The PBS TV narrator was VolkesDeutsche, not Jewish or Polish.West Prussia was renamed Wartheland because it incorporated areas of Poland that were never part of Prussia. Somehow Lodz was absorbed into Reich as "Litzmannstadt"
In short... Silesia was to be split beacuse Germany lost the war and Entente forced her to ackonowledge minority rights. And Upper Silesia had a conscious pro-Polish Catholic movement since 1860s. It was far far ahead from Ermland and Masuren. Silesian Plebiscite democratically split the territory into more less what was ethnic-majority bounduary
Enclaves remained, but then there were big population shifts on both sides. The point is. People after 150 years of germanisation were given choice.
In Wartheland, by 1939 there were some 6% Germans. Those that remained often grassed their Polish neighbours to Gestapo. Some even oficially participated in Nazi courts, like in Leszno, and denounced Polish professors, activists and teachers selecting them for executions. Some half a million people from Wartheland were expropriated and expelled in cattle wagons into GG to make room for German settlers from Baltic countries. 400 000 Jews from Wartheland were murdered. So WTF are you comparing???
@Gattamella Wartheland is a 1940 term. In 1939 the term Provinz Posen was still used. In 1919, 38 % was still German in Provinz Posen. Some border villages like Bomst and Fraustadt (Wschowa) held most German ethnic population and remained inside Germany's Grenzmark Posen-West Prussia in 1920. Until 1941, many Poles and Jews fled to the Soviet Zone. Many Poles evacuated to Britain and USA via Romania. And 1919-1929 28 % of Germans in Posen were forbibly impoverished by Polish state confiscations!
1. What confiscations??? You are out of your mind. Polish state did not even expell or confiscate the property of German colonists brought in by the Prussian Comission for Colonisation. Only some big land estates of landowners were bought off to make place for poorer farmers. Nothing was confiscated. Most Germans left for Germany out of their own free will. Only garrison soldiers, policemen and administration and individuals responsible for germanisation had to leave.
2. 38% was the number of German-speakers, and this number includes German garrisons, German clerks and administration, Jews (who were German speaking) and also a fraction of bilingual Poles. Not to mention some 150 000 colonists who were settled in 1890s and 1900s and had little to do with Greater Poland historically. The real number of German was several percent lower than that.
And anyway, Nazis exterminated some 500 000 Polish citizens of Wartheland, and expelled yet more.
@IustitiaPax - you are mixing up two things. Polish soldiers from X 1939 who left via Romania have nothing to do whatsoever with 500 000 civilians exterminated in mass-executions, concentration and labour camps. Or with those who were forcibly expelled to GG via cattle trains to make room for Germans from Latvia and Estonia. They had 2 hours to leave and could take as much as they could hold... This has nothing to do with evacuation of Polish soldiers, These are two totally different things.
Germany lost the war and was impoverished. But that is hardly a price for occupying, colonising and forcefully germanising Polish domains of Pomerelia (West Prussia) and Greater Poland which they took by 1795.
You are either nuts or a complete ignorant. Hitler's "Wartheland" in the Nazi-occupied Poland was of no comparison to Upper Silesia. People were shot by 100s in every major city and town by Einsatzkommandos and Einsatzgruppen with a specific aim of eliminationg Polish intelligentsia.
3. Today, it is estimated that there are about 10 000 - 15 000 Ermlanders and Masurians left in Poland. From the number Ermlanders constitute probably about 5000 people. The numbers are hard to establish because of higher mixing in Ermland. Anyway, this means that 16%-20% Ermlanders remained.
Now those who left, did so for various reasons. Some had family in Germany, some considered themselves German, some were traumatised by Soviets, and some simply did not want to stay in communist Poland.
1. Many, probably nor majority, Ermlanders had a strong pro-Polish sentiment. Several thousands had to flee after 1921 because of those sentiments and German terror. 5-10 thousand people fled from East Prussia to Poland in that time.
2. After the war noona knows how many Polish-speaking Ermlanders remained. But definitely not more than 36 000, probably much less due to germanisation. Of those many intermarried after 45 with Polish immigrants. In 1948, 15% marriages in Allenstain were mixed.
When looking on the votes from kreis Allenstein consider that while the countryside was inhabited by the Polish-Speaking Warmiacy (47% 35,000 in 1905, about 33 000 in 1921), the city had a substantial German majority.
36 000 people voted in k.Allenstein. Polish-speakers were probably minority (less than 47%). By those standards - 4800 votes for Poland cast in Kreis Allenstein could be as high as 30% of all Polish-speaking Ermlanders that took the vote... Less propaganda, more facts.
@Gattamella Yes, Polish-speaking Ermländer (only living in the district of Allenstein, as Kreis Rößel, Kreis Bischofsburg, Kreis Braunsberg never had non-German minorities) voted for Poland about 30 %. This is true, but also due to Kulturkampf. Despite Kulturkampf, most voted for Germany, despite Kulturkampf (anti-Catholic mostly under Bismarck) even most Upper Silesians in the participating districts voted.... to remain within Germany.
@IustitiaPax - They (Masuren&Ermlanders) voted to remain in EAST PRUSSIA, their traditional, historical homeland. Not Germany. In 1921 the sense of national belonging was far less Germanocentric than than it became in the 30s, and later, as a result of WW II + Soviet invansion
As for Silesians - many voted for Germany yes. BUT PLEBISCITE WAS HELD TO GIVE THOSE THAT FELT POLISH A CHANCE TO JOIN POLAND. This was the whole point of the plebiscite!!!! Silesia was to be split, That was the point.
In whole 4-5 villages Poland gained majority however they could not be incorporated since they were enclaves separated from Poland by the Masurian belt.
@Gattamella Only in the Landkreis Allenstein, where 14th century and especially 18th century Polish immigrants lived in the most southern villages. Only in villages where one priest, Fr. Walenty Barczewski, preached actively for Polish nationalism. (Which he should not have done.) Brąswałd (Braunswalde), Jaroty (Jomendorf), Gietrzwałd (Dietrichswalde). As for loyalties: since 1990 most Warmiacy have emigrated to Germany as Spätaussiedler (Late Emigrants). So much for their "Polish' sympathy.
And THIS ENFORCED GERMANISATION was the reason for which some Prussian Silesians voted for Germany. They simply were uprooted. For comparsion in former Austrian Silesia (Cieszyn), where there was no forced colonisation and germanisation, most Polish-speaking Silesians considered themselves as Poles.
And Iustita is wrong. 45% Silesian Parishes voted for Poland. Of these vast majority were rural parishes. Cities, which had German majority or were 50:50 Silesian : German, voted for Germany.
@Gattamella Since when is 40.6 % suddenly "45 %". You falsify history. You spread lies. It is the typical and Childish Polish version of history. Not "some", but a clear majority of Upper Silesians voted for Germany in 1921. Germany. Only Rybnik, Pleß and some villages in the gmina of Groß Strehlitz voted for Poland in majority. All the rest: for Germany.
1. 45% is the result of the vote by Parish - which was the only way of plebiscite voting acknowledged by the Paris Peace Treaties, 45% parishes voted for Poland.
2. Majority of Upper Silesians voted for Germany, but not majority of Polish-speaking Silesians.
3. Majority of Upper Silesians voted for Germany and majority of the area remained in Germany. Those areas where the countryside had a clear pro-Polish majority were ceded to Poland on the grounds of ethnic majority.
@Gattamella Ad 2. Democratic rights are not only for Polish-speaking Silesians. This is like the thing the Polish historians now complain about: discrimination of Poles in the Wartheland. A majority was Polish there, and a majority German in Silesia. But neither rights were respected. The Polish people is not sacred. It does not have more rights than German citizens.
"The Polish people is not sacred. It does not have more rights than German citizens."
oday, indeed. Today, our accounts are balanced. But in those days, the accounts are unbalanced. Second Republic was less than the First Republic. Was owed compensation for 100% of the liquidation of the country. Does the size of Wielkopolska and Royal Prussia is the same as the time of the Silesian Voivodeship during Second Republic?
@AZsaturn The Second Republic of Poland unlike the Polsko-Litewska Rzeczpospolita was a 1919 founded and approved ethnic nation-state. I explained it to you often enough. The multi-ethnic monarchy of the Rzeczpospolita pierwszy is not a legal predecessor of the 2nd Republic. Ethnic nation-states are 19th and 20th century concepts. Unlike previous republics like Venice (Italian + Slovenian + Croat + Albanian) and Switzerland etc. The First Republic was partitioned never "liquidated".
"The Second Republic of Poland unlike the Polsko-Litewska Rzeczpospolita was a 1919 founded and approved ethnic nation-state. I explained it to you often enough."
That I explained to you very often, this the fact is for our concept is 100% void.
@IustitiaPax - First Republic was forcefully liqudated and its legal system scrapped Prussian administration was by far the worst in its policy of germanisation. Prussia was also the only occupying state which emabrked on large-scale colonisation.
German civilians were of no problem until XXth century when they actively started supporting germanisation. They forgot about their neighbours whom they scorned as second class Slavic mischvolk. And they forgot whose soil it was in the first place.
@IustitiaPax I`ve said you once before a state is a common property of all the citizens and not nations. Only nazis and other chauvinists are still spreading propaganda about national states. The second Polish Republic is a natural successor to the first Polish Republic.
@RitterDesHimmels1 I don´t understand your objection against the "national state" very well. It is the "state" which is the organization of people belonging to a "nation". What´s there "nazi" or "chauvinistic" about it ? What exactly is your objection against what you call "nazi" ?
@kolkrabe19 It is the organization of people belonging to the citizens - not to a nation. What do you think Serbs or Jews which have the German citizenship live in Germany and care for this country are inferior than Germans?
1. "A nation", going by the meaning of the word, is the collection of people of a common "national" heritage. They are the legitimate citizens of the state that was created by the people belonging to that nation.
2. What do you mean by "German citizenship" ? The FRG has no "citizens", only personnel, therefore Germans carry a "Personalausweis".
3. Jews care for Germany ? You are making a joke ?
@kolkrabe19 A state is a common property of all the citizens. Regardless if they are Serbs, Poles, German or Jews. National minorities have the same rights as all the other citizens.
"What do you mean by "German citizenship" ?" - Deutsche staatsagehörigkeit.
People can have more than 1 citizenship. Just like Tadeusz Kościuszko - a Polish-French-American citizen.
@RitterDesHimmels1 "Citizenship" and "Staatsangehörigkeit" is the same thing. There is no "Staatsangehörigkeit" "FRG"/"BRD". There is a Staatsangehörigkeit "Deutsches Reich", though. It is true that people can have multiple legal citizenships. I wouldn´t call the state the "property" of its citizens, the state apparatus is the organization of the state´s citizenry, working for the common good, hopefully. National minorities may or may not be granted equal rights by the majority population.
@RitterDesHimmels1 I don´t know. EU is doing away with sovereignty of its nations, which means EU citizens are losing what was left of their national sovereignty to the European government in Brussels. If an immigrant gets what is fraudulently called "German citizenship", i.e. an "Einbürgerung" and a "Personalausweis", he/she has "equal rights" with all other "citizens of the FRG", a thing that cannot legally exist, though, as I said. The Danish minority in Schleswig-Holstein has "equal rights".
@kolkrabe19 You can read German constitution: all citizens are equal according to low, no matter if they are Serbs, Poles or Germans but of course they must remain loyal to the German state. You can also say Germans lost their national sovereignty in 1871.
@AZsaturn In 1919 and 1945 the monarchy of Prussia, which alongside the tsarist Romanov dynasty and the Habsburg dynasty, was responsible for the 1772-1795 partitions of Poland-Lithuania (due to internal corruption and division), was no longer existent. Emperor Wilhelm II died in 1941. The German civilians could not be responsible for monarchical decisions in 18th century. Nor was Napoleon III (19th century) responsible for 1793 decapitation of saintly King Louis XVI of France.
Every state is legal personality. Every heads of states are representatives of specified legal personality. Because, state no have body, is not natural person. Natural persons who related which legal personality, acquires all rights, debts and obligations of a legal person. Kingdom of Prussia and they succesors was great debtor.
@Gattamella The eastern Upper Silesian areas ceded to Poland only in some cases had pro-Polish minority: Pleß, Loslau, Rybnik, Landkreis Kattowitz. In the other cases: the cities Lublinitz and Kattowitz had pro-German majorities, as did Königshütte (Krolewska Huta). I just mention bishop Walter Mixa, born in Königshütte, to parents who always lived there. Pro-German majorities were not observed. Poland took most coal mines and iron ore mines. Germany was impoverished by Versailles etc.
To nie my zabraliśmy Wrocław. Nie zabrali Wrocławia nawet Rosjanie. Prusacy pozbawili siebie prawa do tego miejsce. Poprzez swoje zbrodnie. Należna rekompensata.
@IustitiaPax - Greifswald was built on Pomeranian Slavic soil by the Germans. Wrocław was built on Polish Slavic by the Slavs, settled by the Slavs who constituted a minority until XX century. It remained mixed for long centuries. So no... Wroclaw is not and has never been as German as Greifswald, and most certinaly not as Dresden.
@Gattamella Yes, everything is "Slavic soil". Paris is Polish too, Dresden is Polish, Rostock is Polish. Everything. Breslau was always German since its foundations as a true city.
4. So read about the plebiscite and stop accusing me of lying when you are spreading lies yourself.
5. Wroclaw - what is "foundation as a true city"? A large city was already there since early feudal times in Xth century. It was the seat of a local bishopcy founded by the duke of Poland in 1000. The city was lated "founded" or rather granted a German law and settled with Germans in XII-XIIIth century. That does not mean it wwas "always German" . That is complete bullshit.
@IustitiaPax Problem polega na tym, że sami Niemcy nie chcą odzyskać Wrocławia i Śląska. Poznałem jednego kolesia z Bawarii który powiedział, iż w innym niemieckim bundeslandzie traktowany jest prawie jak obcokrajowiec. Nie mówiąc już nawet o podziałach na Ossi i Wessi.
Powiedz jesteś chrześcijaninem dlaczego więc szerzysz nienawiść na youtubie?
@RitterDesHimmels1 Nienawidzę nikt i nic. Uwielbiam polskiej kultury i narodu polskiego. Ale potępiają nacjonalizm skrajnych patriotów polskich. Istnieje mnóstwo Niemców, którzy powrócili do Wrocławia i Królewca. Ale Allied masy psychologii PSYOPS utrzymuje ich strach. Ale uwaga niemieckiej telewizji: ciągły serii Prus Wschodnich i Śląska.
@IustitiaPax Właśnie na tym polega twoja taktyka mówisz, że uwielbiasz polską kulturę a mimo to szerzysz roszczenia terytorialne, nienawiść wobec Polski i Polaków, kłamstwa oraz pospolite chamstwo. Widać, że nie jesteś Niemcem - oni takich rzeczy nie wyprawiają.
@IanHunedoara8 - you got some? Please do. But those fanatics will never bother to read it. Their wrongly understood sense of "patriotism" wants them to believe in a simple picture. There is no sense in building up your patriotism at the expense of facts.
First one needs to understand that Prussia took Silesia from the Habsburg Empire where it rightufully belonged. Then Prussian government embarked on ruthless germanisation through acculturaion ( legal discrimination) and blood (colonisation).
do you german people who claims that silesia is german even live in silesia ? have you ever been there?
do you know somthing about the silesian uprsings against germany?
doesn't seem like that . Silesia will never be german cuz we don't see ourselfs to be germans we are Silesian and our languages is Silesian. wich is a slavic languages
and after all who give a fuck it is all Europe, is just sad that you still are so ignorant
@noraswe The Silesian Uprisings were done by Polish troops and volunteers from Masovia, and by some "Silesian" Polish miner immigrants living in Rybnik, Sosnowitz, Lublinitz and Loslau. The Silesians themselves hardly participated, and most opposed the Uprisings. But you will never be told that in Polish szowinist "historical education".
What was the cause of the Silesian Uprisings? We were very bored with the role of perpetual victims. Unimaginable delight was to swap roles. Autonomous Silesia Voivodeship was very smaller than the Prussian booty after partitioned. Why we should not have anything in compensation?
@IustitiaPax Col. Iwanski was one of Korfanty's leutanants who chronicled the conflicts from the Polish side was a Kattowitz native and not an "import from Mazovia" as you claim. German claims extended far beyond Kattowitz as you well know even the Junkers and pro=Kaiser militarists demanded a return of Posen district and all of West Prussia. Ethnicity is not blood but how you feel. I am Aromanian Vlakh whose family was always loyal to Greece
@IustitiaPax Polish troops didn`t participated in the 2`nd Silesian uprising because they were engaged in the Polish-Soviet war. Some Poles helped us during the third uprising because we (Silesians) didn`t had experienced commanders so we would lost the uprising against Germans. During the first world war Silesians were always inferior in the German army.
@IanHunedoara8 Nonsense. Defence of Silesian citizens is "brutal"? The Freikorps were a legitimate border defence, and even the League of Nations approved of their actions in retrospect. Like in the Memelland, in Silesia the vast majority wanted to remain in Germany. It was the Polish side who enacted terrorism, even terrorism against voters in all French-controlled parts of Upper Silesia.
@IustitiaPax - terrorism was insitgated by German militias beating and hunting down pro-Polish activists. After 150 years of colonisation and enforced ruthless germanisation, Prussian nationalists were still reluctant to concede that 45% Upper Silesian citizens (NOT UPPER SILESIANS), voted for Poland.
@IustitiaPax There were some 20 000 indigenous Silesian fighting for the Poles. Have you actually read any publicaton on the subject?
By the way, showing plebiscite results by city is hardly objective as cities were mostly German enclaves in what was predominantly Polish Silesian countryside.
@Gattamella The Polish invading forces were terrorists and considered like that by British and Italian occupation troops in eastern Upper Silesia. The Plebiscite was well founded, and most Slavic Silesian farmers voted for Germany. Rural entirely German-speaking communities were excluded from the Plebiscite already (Grottkau, Neisse etc.). Most "Silesian" Polish terrorists were children of Wielkopolska immigrants to Rybnik, Lubliniec, Loslau, Krolewska Huta. Not natives.
@IustitiaPax - These were no terrorists but Sileisan insurgents fighting for inclusion in Poland.
45%, 693 parishes voted for Poland in Upper Silesia. Cities voted predominantly for Germany, Countryside voted for Poland. So don't bullshit that most Slavic Silesians voted for Germany. That is nonsense..
@IustitiaPax - So no. 20 000 Silesians fighting for Poland were no terrorists. Just like 45% Sielsian Parishes were not terrorists. They were indigenous Catholic Silesians - terrorised, discriminated against and germanised in their own country by the Protestant Prussian government and its ill-fatef "Kulturkampf".
Silesia was no Masurenland and Silesian Plebiscite was no East Prussia Plebiscite. Read some elementaty literature (like Davies) and stop spreading bullshit about plebiscite's score.
@Gattamella "Catholic" Silesians from Masovia? Defying the interdict of Adolf Cardinal Bertram, archbishop of Breslau, who forbade political assassinations and political separatism against the fatherlands and common peace? The Silesian Plebiscite was a complete disaster for the Polish invaders. They terrorized voting locations, but still only received 59.6 % of all votes. Indeed, some minority of formerly pro-German Silesians voted for Poland, because of Catholicism. Masuren: 99 % for Germany!
@IustitiaPax I mean, they received 40.4 % of the votes, despite terror. And the German parts of Upper Silesia (Neisse O.S., Grottkau, Bauerwitz, Brieg etc.) were not even taking part in the Plebiscite, because the Poles knew they would loose.
@IustitiaPax - you completely misunderstand what a plebiscite is and why it is held.
The Plebiscite 1921 was not a this-or-that collective decision of all Silesian, but an individual decision each Upper Silesian PARISH. It was held in Polish-speaking regions because the Partis Peace Treaties ensured that each occupied nation had the right to vote according their national allegiance and join their respective nation/state on the grounds of local ethnic majority. 45% Parishes voted Poland.
@IustitiaPax - There was no Polish terror prior to the Plebiscie. Poland was tied fighting the Red Army, some 1 mln strong. You are talking utter nonsense.
@IustitiaPax I am not going to discuss this with a pro-Prussian fanatic whose family most likely originates from German Schlesingers. No. Silesians were not pro-German since Germans degraded them, discriminated against them and banned their mother tongue and traditions from public life.
Silesians were Catholic and were not pro-German, nor pro-Prussian. 45% Silesian Parishes voted for Poland. Period, That is a fact. Your interpretations, and slandering the Poles do not interest me.
@IustitiaPax - You little liar. Not 99% for Germany but for EAST PRUSSIA! Which was menat to have a great degree of autonomy. Masurians were cheated and that was the reason for their separatism. In Masuren/Ermland German wild terror before Plebiscite forced some 10 000 indigenous Polish-speakers to flee for their lives. Germans beating up Polish voters, and using organised armed terror cowed people into submission. Germans would force people out of land, jobs and property for voting for Poland.
@Gattamella I know many Warmiacy, who consider themselves Germans, but whose ancestors were Catholics and spoke Polish and thus considered themselves pro-Polish. A small minority of about 11 % in the Landkreis (district) of Allenstein. 18th century Polish Masovian immigrants. The mostly Lutheran Masurians all voted for Germany. The NSDAP in the Kreis Lyck obtained 76 % of all votes in 1932. They had Polish-speaking Nazi Party rallies in Masuria.
Man kann dieses Video nur voll und ganz unterstützen !
Schlesien ein deutsches Land wie Westfalen!
Wehrburg 5 days ago
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Wer als nachgeborener Deutscher vermeintlich ererbte Vermögensansprüche gegen polnische Bürger erhebt und aus dem Schicksal seiner Eltern oder Großeltern Profit schlagen will, der hat aus der Geschichte nichts gelernt. Er schadet den Polen wie den Deutschen, er ist kein guter Nachbar.
Für die deutsch-polnische Freundschaft!!!
1992DirtyDevil 2 weeks ago
Śmierdzi tu zdechłym szkopem buhahaha
POLSKARZECZPOSPOLIT 3 weeks ago
Drodzy Niemcy dajcie już spokój z tym gadaniem o powrocie Śląska do Niemiec. Nikt nie zaprzeczy, że przed wojną Śląsk był niemiecki, ale na mocy ustaleń w Jałcie został przekazany Polsce jako zadośćuczynienie za niemieckie zbrodnie. Mija już 66 lat Polskiego panowania na tych terenach i nie możliwe by wróciły do Was, tak samo jak już nikt nie liczy na powrót Lwowa. Wiązało by się to z identyczną tragedia jak ta przeżyta przez naszych przesiedlanych przodków. Czas skończyć z językiem nienawiści.
darekdarekn 1 month ago
They were only a short period under polnish leadership as a fief.
For example in the years 1919/21 plebiscites in East Prussia 97.9%, 92.4% in West Prussia, Lower Silesia 97.6% and Upper Silesia, 62% for the whereabouts by the German Empire. The majority of the inhabitanshas clearly shown it and dismantled the Polish claim myth. Slesia is holy germanic/german land and we get it back.
Radagis2 1 month ago
Polaczki jebane jeszcze sie z wami rozliczymy :) Naród Ślonski boł je i bydzie !!!
MrSwce 2 months ago
@MrSwce 1 2 3 4 już się rozliczyłeś buhahahah
POLSKARZECZPOSPOLIT 3 weeks ago
Jestem Ślązakiem, dumnym z bycia Polakiem :]
Wendigo2150 3 months ago
@Kiermanscania te wasserpolnische brudasy to wy jesteście.smród brud i ubóstwo od was bije.śmierdzące familoki kible na całe piętro itp..idź do szkoły,poucz sie i zobaczysz kto zabrał Śląsk niemiaszką;d.Wielki Wódz Józef Piłsudski.ten co powiedział że ma w dupie śląsk i ślązaków.a stalin to był gorszy skurwiel jak adolfek.jakby nie ruscy to by adolfek pogoniony został.powtórka z grunwaldu by była.
tasiorewicz 3 months ago
@tasiorewicz Gdyby nie ruscy to by nikt już nie wiedział co to jest ta polska, każdy by myślał że to taka pasta do butów. Powinniście ruskich do dziś po dupie całować kundelki (choć wiem że to określenie w stosunku do was obraża wszystkie psy), więc zamknij swą plebejską mordę, narodowa dziwko, bo nie mam ochoty rozmawiać ze swołoczą.
Kiermanscania 3 months ago
Jeszcze gebelsy oddacie reszte ziem słowiańskich i będziemy kwita ! Śląsk jest Polski!!!
88wandalizator14 4 months ago
Ich kommen aus Schlesien (Neusalz) Wir wollen zurückkommen zu Deutschland !
maniakerso2 4 months ago 4
żal dupke gebelsy ściska że My wam zabrali?
tasiorewicz 4 months ago
@tasiorewicz Taa wy zabraliście, jak wy jesteście największymi brudasami i nieudacznikami, gyby nie wasz wujek stalin to by was pewnie dzisiaj na tej planecie nie było, polaczki śmieszne!
Kiermanscania 3 months ago
first track please
Izzalohn4life 5 months ago
Es ist eine Schweinerei, das 11 Mio. Deutschen ihre Heimat, unsere Ostgebiete, genommen wurden!!!!
vadervavo 6 months ago
47 Polen wollen es nicht kapieren, dass sie Besatzer der Urdeutschen Gebiete sind.
Radagis2 6 months ago
Schlesien Deutsch für immer!! TO JEST DEUTSCHE HEIMAT
SZLESIEN NIEMEC, NASZE HEIMAT NA ZAWSZE
Elberiver11 6 months ago
Slask dobre !!!!!
Schlesien gut !!
Elberiver11 6 months ago
a scheenes land, scheene sprache, alles so vertraut! i quatsch blosz so, will einfach dasz Frieden dort herrscht für alle!
6000mikesch 6 months ago
Silesia, separated from Poland, would be one of the richest countries in Europe.
fanaber70 6 months ago
@Wasser190 Du bist so unnötig. Schlesien ist Schlesien. Schlesien gehört weder Deutschland noch Polen.
1992DirtyDevil 6 months ago
Es wird noch lange dauern bevor die Deutschen ihrer verlorene Ostteilen wieder bekommen.
Avalon400 6 months ago
Non Polonus, non Germanus - Silesius!
KudlatyKSG 7 months ago
Slavic tribes and Slavic nationalites exist all over Eastern Europe. We have the Sorbs and Wends who have lived at peace and harmony within our glorious German Reich for centuries. Why must there be so much resentment over Selesian? The Polish are one of many Slavic speaking peoples. Their national pride rests solely upon their adherence to Catholisicm. Poles are nothing more than Catholic Russians. And this is the problem: Why do the Poles hate their Slavic brothers in Russia ? ? ?
Avalon400 7 months ago
@Avalon400 When you look at the history of Poland and Russia you will find that the Russians often betrayed their polish brothers. For example the massacre in Katyn or during the second world war. I regret that.
1992DirtyDevil 6 months ago
Slavic tribes and Slavic nationalites exist all over Eastern Europe. We have the Sorbs and Wends who have lived at peace and harmony within our glorious German Reich for centuries. Why must there be so much resentment over Selesian? The Polish are one of the Slavic speaking peoples. Their national pride rests solely upon their adherence to Catholisicm. Poles are nothing more than Catholic Russians. And this is the problem: Why do the Poles hate their Slavic brothers in Russia ? ? ?
Avalon400 7 months ago
Śląsk (eng. Silesia) was from the very beginning of Poland a core Polish province,both nationally and historically.It was inhabitted by Polish tribes,of which the biggestin Silesia was the Ślężans (not Silesians!) and after 2-3 decades,together with other Polish tribes like the pommeranians,Mazovians,Vistulans,Polans andd others,formed the Polish nation.A strictly Polish province since the IXth century.Even in the XVIIIth century Prussian authorities had to make announcements in Polish!
PolskiNarodowiecND 8 months ago
@PolskiNarodowiecND Silingii were an east Germanic tribe, which survived in Nimptsch (Niemcza) until the 9th century AD. Ślężanie were a mix of Silingii, Germanic Vandal remnants and the new invading West Slavic elite and followers who invaded during the Great Migrations in 6th century AD. Before 600 BC, Silesia was also Celtic or proto-Celtic. From 1015 AD, the duchies of Silesia had German settlement and German intermarriage. Saint Hedwig of Silesia was German.
IustitiaPax 8 months ago 4
@PolskiNarodowiecND Silesia was 85 % German-speaking in the 18th century. For the 15 % of Silesian-Slavic (Polish) and Silesian-Moravian (Czech) dialect speakers, announcements were in Polish and Czech.
IustitiaPax 8 months ago
Wird Zeit, das Schlesien wieder heim kommt, unter polnischer Verwaltung wird das nichts. Schlesien war immer germanisch und somit bleibt es deutsches Land und Kulturgut.
Radagis2 9 months ago
@Radagis2 boaa hörst du nicht deine nazi parolen das erzählt dir jeder zweite besessene nazi was du hier mit deiner NAZI Propaganda abziehst.das leben kann doch echt schön sein wirf deinen pc weg u hol dein leben aus DEM KLO dass du dich nicht schämst für deine primitve hass streuung obwohl du dichSICHERselbst schon lächerlich findest xD weil du weist das nicht was du schreibst hand u fuss hast das sind ja die islam-hetzer besser als du mit begründungen töte die anderen weil sie anders denken xD
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 8 months ago 2
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO Nazi=National Zionist und mein kleiner polnisch, nationalistischer Khazar, ich habe solches blut nicht in meinen Adern und meine schlesischen Ahnen hatten dies auch nie. Ich bin Antizionist und aus diesen Gründen kann ich schon mal kein Nazi sein, aber dies geht eh nicht in deine Birne. Wo rufe ich zum Hass auf, ich hasse niemanden, denn sowas ist selbszerstörerisch. Ich demontiere jediglich nur eure gefälschte nationalistische, polnische Geschichte, das isenUnterschied :-).
Radagis2 7 months ago
@Radagis2 es ist sinnlos rechts zu sein sowas ist primitiv
vorallem in einem land wie deutschland ist es sinnlos weil du hier sogut wie niemanden findest der keine ausländischen wurzeln hat .
& lass mal die keltischen & ghotischen wurzeln stecken wir können heutzutage von ganz anderen wurzeln der deutschen sprechen also erstmal hat mehr al ein drittel der OFFIZIELLEN deutschen die also einen perso haben AULÄNDISCHE WURZELN dann haben wir hier noch genug millionen RICHTIGE AUSLÄNDER da = 50/50%
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 7 months ago
Ślonsk boł niemiecki, boł polski, ale teraz stowo coroz bardz Ślonski i dzienki Bogu...
pioslo61 9 months ago
Slask zawsze byl, jest i bedzie Polski!
1979prawdziwypolak 9 months ago
@1979prawdziwypolak Szowinizmu. Szowinista. Ślonsk do Niemiec!
IustitiaPax 8 months ago
@IustitiaPax
Skundloni folksdojcze do Niemiec!Śląsk był,jest i bęzie zawsze rdzennie polską krainą.Od samego początku państwa polskiego takim był a Niemcy mieli swoje siedziby nie na zachód od Odry i Nysy Łużyckiej ale na zachód od Łaby a takie miasta jak Drezno,Chociebyuż,Strzała,Roztoka,Lubeka,Jarobród - ba! - nawet Bralin (Berlin),należały do niezmiernie blisko spokrewnionych z Polakami plemion lechickich.Niech więc Niemcy i ich skundloni folksdjocze nie zaczynają pieprzyć o historii Śląska
PolskiNarodowiecND 8 months ago
@1979prawdziwypolak
Racja bracie.I żadni raśowi buntownicy tego nie zmienią.A jak będą chcieli to my zmienimy ich bezczelne facjaty w mordy psó bokserów.
PolskiNarodowiecND 8 months ago
Wacht auf !!
Europa gehört zum Römischen Reich. Lasst nicht zu, dass Europa den Römern weggenommen wird !
Verkündet die Wahrheit !!
kingofuganda 9 months ago
Nie rozumiem takich filmów, kto je montuje? Obrażają mnie i moją Polskość - ten film to rynsztok który truje współprace między Polską i Niemcami.
szkudi 10 months ago
Schlesien war und wird immer germanisch sein.
Radagis2 10 months ago
Schlesien sowie alle Ländereien welche zur Zeit Polnisch sind werden immer deutsch bleiben, die Polen sind dort nur unwilkommene Gäste auf Zeit. Das Land weiss zu wem es gehört.
eisenerkaiser 10 months ago
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@eisenerkaiser NA WIEDEReinMEETING POINT für NAZI ACCOUNTS die auch noch fast einem irren gehören u der ist so typisch nazi DDR arm dass er sich die NAZI KOMMENTARE auhc nich selbst hochbewerten muss xD dann wird hier auch das typischDREISTE NAZI SYSTEMbenutzt selbstgespräche unter den accounts die sowieso nur einem nazi gehörenDAS VIDEO IST AUCH VON EIN u dem selben OMG ist das eine arme NAZI - SHOW hier !! dann hat die NPD für 2011 pläne noch mehr die INTERNET FORENzuBOMBARDIERENmit PROPAGANDA
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 10 months ago
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO
Keine Ahnung was du da redest, aber deine Argumente erinnern mich an all die Leute ohne Hirn. Wenn man nicht mehr weiß was man sagen soll dann wirft man einfach mal das Wort "Nazi" in die Runde und kommt mit den immer gleichen Argumenten daher, sowas nenne ich einen richtig armen Mitläufer der untersten Sorte.
Du hältst dich selber als Slavische Überrasse und willst mich als Nazi darstellen, allein daran sieht man wie wenig Hirn du zu besitzen scheinst. **lecherlich**
eisenerkaiser 10 months ago
@eisenerkaiser ACH scheinst mich zu kenne ichKENNE DICH NICHTalso siehst du dass du der internt NAZI bist mit denUNZÄHLIGEN ACCOUNTSjunge es ist fakt was ich schreibe dieNPDversucht alle internet foren zuBEEINFLUSSENgoogle mal bißchen rumSOGARhoheNPDleute sind hier vertretenUM NAZI PROPAGANDA ZU VERBREIT ABER DASweißt du wohl am besten!! u noch was wenn man flieht weil man einen krieg verliert um nicht das sebe zu erleben was die von deutschland überfallenen länder erlebtenIST DAS KEINE VERTRE..
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 10 months ago
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO
Und was hat das alles mit der NPD zu tun? Die NPD ist eine Rechts orientierte Partei, mit der ich überhaupt nichts am Hut habe, ich bin in keinsterweiße Rechts, also ist das was du da schreibst fürn arsch. Wie ich bereits sagte ist das eine Argumentation die du dir schenken kannst und über so nen Schwachsinn brauch ich erst garnicht Googeln. Ich habe auch keine unzählige Accounts, wie du schon richtig bemerkt hast kennen wir uns nicht! woher willste das also alles wissen?
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@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO
Und was hat das alles mit der NPD zu tun? Die NPD ist eine Rechts orientierte Partei, mit der ich überhaupt nichts am Hut habe, ich bin in keinsterweiße Rechts, also ist das was du da schreibst fürn arsch. Wie ich bereits sagte ist das eine Argumentation die du dir schenken kannst und über so nen Schwachsinn brauch ich erst garnicht Googeln. Ich habe auch keine unzählige Accounts, wie du schon richtig bemerkt hast kennen wir uns nicht! woher willste das also alles wissen?
eisenerkaiser 10 months ago
@eisenerkaiser ALSO du verhälst dichHAARGENAUnach demINTERNET NAZIverhaltensmuster 1)dreist lügen u leugnen! 2)filme reinstellen u dann mit anderen eigenen nazi accountsDISKUSSIONEN SIMULIERENin richtung rechts orientierter MEINUNGSMACHE ! 3)kommentare selbst hoch bewerten u die anderen spamen! 4)versuchen den eindruck zu erwecken dass hier viele NICHT NUR DU debatierst u aus ganz verschiedenen ecken der welt u WELTANSCHAUNGENwas aber immer nur du bist ! 5) sag niemal das du ein NPD trottel bist
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 10 months ago
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO
Also 1. Ich lüge und leugne hier in keinster weiße [wenn ja gib Fakten an und Laber nicht immer den gleichen Schund zusammen], 2. Ich simuliere keine Meinungsmache [ auch hier gilt erst überlegen, dann reden!], 3. Wo kommentiere ich meine Sachen selber ? [Gib mir dazu nur ein einziges Beispiel], 4. Musst du besser formulieren, kapier nicht was du mir damit genau sagen willst, 5. Ich weiß sehrwohl das ich "keinem" rechten Lager angehöre! Tipp: ERST FAKTEN SAMMELN, dann schreiben!
eisenerkaiser 10 months ago
@eisenerkaiser u wie immer ist das dieTYPISCHE DREISTE NAZI ANTWORTvon dir u es gibt kein fakten für denen müll den du behauptest das ist ales nazikompatibel zusammengeblogen u gelogen DAS DUMMST U ein punkt woran man gleich die nazi ecke bei youtube erkennt ist das dumme gequatsche von derBRD GmbH das ist soein kindischer müllES IST UNGLAUBLICHwas angeblich erwachsenen "menschen" alles dummes labbern können deutsche u deutschland sollte sich damslnur nicht IMMER aus dem fenster lehnen wie immer
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 10 months ago
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO
Ah, naja aber wenn du vo deinen Worten so überzeugt bist müsstet du ja auch ein Nazi sein, denn wenn du ein polnischer Patriot bist ist das für mich nichts anderes. Ich bin auch nur ein Stück weit patriotisch, mehr nicht. Ich hab nicht einmal irgendwas in richtung Nazi-Propaganda gesagt, deshalb kapier ich nicht warum du immer wieder das Wort mit reinbringst. Du bist doch dann genauso, eben nur ein Polnisches Rechtsradikales Schwein!
eisenerkaiser 10 months ago
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@eisenerkaiser Der schreibt auf fast allen Seiten das gleiche und scheint den Wortlaut nur zu kopieren, einen jeden der nicht seiner Ansicht ist, unterstellt er viele accounts zu haben, weil er selber viele hat. Außerdem versucht er die Deutschen untereinder aufzuhetzen verbündet sich mit jedem Deutschenhasser usw..
Radagis2 10 months ago
@Radagis2 hey internet nazi egal mit welchem account du schreibst nimm deinen propaganda accounts u lass die leute in ruhe
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 9 months ago
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO Ich brauche nur einen Account du möchtegern polnischer Nationalist und wenn ihr nicht spurt bekommt ihr von den Russen wieder eins vor den Latz und dies muss nicht mal miliärisch sein ;-).
Radagis2 9 months ago
@eisenerkaiser was für fakten du hast glück des es überhaupt nochmal ein deutschland gab !! du nazi mit den anti polnischen accounts !! geh weg u tarn dich nicht so billig !
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 10 months ago
@eisenerkaiser
heute DIE DEUTSCHE MÖREDER 23.30 uhr auf ARD die deutschen MÖRDER "Hitlers POLIZEI" wie sie mit allen andern mördern wie SA u SS unter einer decke steckten u mit der WHERMACHT !
schande schande alles was ihr deutsche nazis her bei YT veranstaltet
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 9 months ago
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO
Ich empfehle dir das Buch "POLEN NICHT NUR OPFER, Die Verschwörung des Verschweigens" !
Allein das diese TV Sendung die du Ansprichst in einem Deutschen Sender gezeigt wird zeit sehr gut das WIR DEUTSCHEN uns mit unserer dunklen Vergangenheit auseinandersetzen, was man von den Polen nicht behaupten kann, hier wir wie immer die Schuld nur bei den anderen gesucht, nicht jedoch bei sich selbst. Deshab lese das Buch und denk mal über deine scheiße nach die du hier rumlaberst!!
eisenerkaiser 9 months ago
@eisenerkaiser HEY DU INTERNT NAZI PROPAGANDIST verzieh dich einfach u nimm deine NAZI HETZ "LITERATUR"mit ach u diene Anti-polnischen ACCOUNTS könntest du auch löschen !!
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 9 months ago
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO
...gleichfalls du Fascho
eisenerkaiser 9 months ago
@eisenerkaiser das erzählst du mit jedem account DU BIST EIN KRANKES DEUTSCHES ARMES OST NAZI SCHWEIN das die ANTI polnische internet front am leben erhält !!
DU MUSST DICH BEHANDELN LASSEN ! ! echt obwohl duseone armes ungebildetets ostler-stück bist TUST DU MIR i-wie leid ich habe sogar kommentare von dir AN ALLEN FEIERTAGEN GESEHEN du arme wurst OMG lass dir helfen und NOCH EIN tipp guck dir deutschland mal an VO DEN KRIEGEN u AUCH NACH DEN kriegen ES WAR NIE SO wie du ES GERNE HÄTTESTxD
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 9 months ago
@eisenerkaiser von welchem nazi verlag ist das buck vom kopp verlag oder welchem ? DAS NAZI LITERATUR im osten deutschland vorallem ständig gedrückt wird u NOCH HEUTE ist mir klar xDDD(DER TITEL SAG SCHON ALLES xD)OMG liest du da nicht schon den anti-polonimus raus ? es gibt auch internt seiten die angeblich polnische nachrichten auf deutsch sein sollen wie POLSKAWEB das aber eine REIN deutsche nazi seite ist die ANTI-POLNISCH STIMMEN SOLL u das impressum ein fake ist die seite kommt aus BLN usw
OoiKiLLyouNOWoO 9 months ago
@OoiKiLLyouNOWoO
Du machst dich hier durch deine billigen und völlig unbegründeten, immer gleichen Antworten total lächerlich. Schiebst dich selbst total ins Abseits. Denk doch wie du es willst, aber wenn du dich wirklich mal etwas mehr informieren würdest und nicht immer nur mit dem Wort Natzi argumentieren würdest dann wären deine Aussagen auch näher an der Realität.
eisenerkaiser 9 months ago
Schlesien ist und bleibt Deutsch !!!!! Meine Oma wurde aus Schlesien verjagt , ihr wurde das Haus weggenommen. Die Frauen in der Nachbarschaft wurden vom IVAN vergewaltgt und geschlagen , einige auch umgebracht weil sie ihr hab und gut schützen wollten. Meine Oma konnte nichts dafür das Krieg war. Eines Tages ist Schlesien wieder fest in Deutscher Hand und dafür kämpfe ich !!!!!
vogtlandfuchs 10 months ago
ŚLĄSK=POLSKA. Now and forever. SILESIA=POLAND.
antyrezun 10 months ago
schaut wir haben doch jetzt die EU da brauchst doch nimmer das dt. reich, wir vergessen trotzdem nie die menschen in den deutschprachigen gebieten!
6000mikesch 10 months ago
FREE PANslavic CANCER
unfukkkmee 11 months ago
Free Lusatia !!!!!!
leszek0506 11 months ago
SCHLESIEN gehörte seit tausende von jahren den deutschen ...hoffe schlesien wird wieder ei nteil von d-land.
wenn ich deutscher wäre ...hätte das niemals akzeptiert.
PkkFreedomFighter2 11 months ago 2
@PkkFreedomFighter2 und was wuerdest du tun ? Noch ein Krieg beginnen? Ist euch ja nicht genug so viele leute zu mordern und eignen Land zerstoeren zu lassen ? Uberlege es mal, bevor du noch was zum Thema Schlesien sagst. Pyrsk
vtgbart 11 months ago
@vtgbart wir ermordet feinde du bogel wir tötten die leute die seit hudnerjahren mind.300.tasuend ziivle kurdemn ermordet haben ,wir töten nur feindliche türk.terorist-"soldaten2"! also sei leise wen du keine ahnung hast ,du gucks wohl zu viel tv. tv ist nicht gleich realität !
FREE SILESIA
PkkFreedomFighter2 11 months ago
@PkkFreedomFighter2 Im meinem Kommentar meinte ich Schlesien, nicht Kurdistan. Sag mir mal nur: was fuer ein Anspruch hat du auf meinem Land wenn du Kurde bist und bestimmt kein Ahnung hast was Schlesien war und ist?
vtgbart 11 months ago
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@PkkFreedomFighter2 Im meinem Kommentar meinte ich Schlesien, nicht Kurdistan. Sag mir mal nur: was fuer ein Anspruch hat du auf meinem Land wenn du Kurde bist und bestimmt keine Ahnung hast was Schlesien war und ist?
vtgbart 11 months ago
@PkkFreedomFighter2
halts maul du kanacke, ich bin schelsier und habe das recht zu sagen, dass schlesien schlesien und nicht deutschland ist... verpiss dich nach kurdistan wir wollen euch nicht hier, und noch weniger in oberschlesien!
Izzalohn4life 5 months ago
Ich bin stolz ein Schlesier zu sein.
Nur hier bin ich gluecklich, nur hier ist meine Heimat, nur hier ist mein Herz und nur hier moechte ich sterben.
leo1976tg 11 months ago
ich wohne in oberschlesien, ich liebe es! mein heimat ist hier :)
M. Schulz, Polak.
Skansener 1 year ago
"Free Silesia "
RepublicofSilesia 1 year ago
schlesien sterben gleich aus ;) und diese alte Nazi Fraus wird auch bald sterben :D
206ambasador 1 year ago
Polski Śląsk forever :)
michaldee 1 year ago
ich will wieder haben.
DerDeutschee 1 year ago
wie heissen diese lieden die hier gespielt werden??
Lolekziomek92 1 year ago
meine heimat
szafa12 1 year ago
Żaden Schlesien tylko Śląśk żadne Silingowię tylko Ślężanie jebani Naziśći!
MrKamike 1 year ago
God Bless
alevonto 1 year ago
Meine Mutter kommt aus Neisse ps: Meine Familie hat zwar "nur" eine 250 Jährige geschichte in Schlesien aber ich denke genauso wie du !, davor sind sie von Böhmen dort hingezogen, ich verstehe mich trotzdme als stolzer OBERschlesier
RESTAURIERTdasDKR 1 year ago
SCHLESIEN IST NUN MAL SCHLESIEN NICHT POLNISCH NICHT DEUTSCH! ODER WAS AUCH IMMER!
NUR WER SEINE WURZELN SEIT J A H R H U N D E R T E N IN SCHLESIEN HAT KANN SICH AUCH SCHLESIER NENNEN!!! UND DAS IST AUCH GUT SO!!!
poper0069 1 year ago
@poper0069 OBERSCHLESIEN meinst du, nicht wahr?
MrJoergMueller 1 year ago
@MrJoergMueller Ja natürlich meine ich OBERSCHLESIEN bin aus Bowalno bei Oppeln und meine Familie kann auf 700 Jahre Geschichte zurück blicken.
Das könne die zza Buga sicher nicht!
poper0069 1 year ago
God Bless Polish Silesia !
zynio26 1 year ago
frankenstein rules!
MetalWonderWombat 1 year ago
fuckin german pigs.....slask is polish go and fuck yourself or your ugly german womens in fuckin ass
luisvega666 1 year ago
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poper0069 1 year ago
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@luisvega666 Fuck you and your mother and sister!!!
And the other Polish sluts
poper0069 1 year ago
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poper0069 1 year ago
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@luisvega666 Fuck you!!!!!!!!!!
poper0069 1 year ago
Ja mein freund. Der Oberschlessien ist meine Vaterland auch. Das war schwerig
in Polnische zeiten Oberschleisser bleiben
Kokavski 1 year ago 7
Hehehe fajnie - z Katowic pokaz fotek z osiągnięciami II RP i jej dziełami :D :D
Q1977uand 1 year ago
Ach unser schönes schlesisches Land! Hoffentlich wirst du einmal wieder deutsch! Grüss aus dem Teil Schlesiens, das momentan in tschechischer Verwaltung ist!:-)
stolzerschlesier 1 year ago
NeuKulm is Chelmno. The Jews were not part of the Wartheland expulsion. They were sent to Chelmno- a death camp that predated Oswiecim. The PBS TV narrator was VolkesDeutsche, not Jewish or Polish.West Prussia was renamed Wartheland because it incorporated areas of Poland that were never part of Prussia. Somehow Lodz was absorbed into Reich as "Litzmannstadt"
IanHunedoara8 1 year ago
In short... Silesia was to be split beacuse Germany lost the war and Entente forced her to ackonowledge minority rights. And Upper Silesia had a conscious pro-Polish Catholic movement since 1860s. It was far far ahead from Ermland and Masuren. Silesian Plebiscite democratically split the territory into more less what was ethnic-majority bounduary
Enclaves remained, but then there were big population shifts on both sides. The point is. People after 150 years of germanisation were given choice.
Gattamella 1 year ago
In Wartheland, by 1939 there were some 6% Germans. Those that remained often grassed their Polish neighbours to Gestapo. Some even oficially participated in Nazi courts, like in Leszno, and denounced Polish professors, activists and teachers selecting them for executions. Some half a million people from Wartheland were expropriated and expelled in cattle wagons into GG to make room for German settlers from Baltic countries. 400 000 Jews from Wartheland were murdered. So WTF are you comparing???
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella Wartheland is a 1940 term. In 1939 the term Provinz Posen was still used. In 1919, 38 % was still German in Provinz Posen. Some border villages like Bomst and Fraustadt (Wschowa) held most German ethnic population and remained inside Germany's Grenzmark Posen-West Prussia in 1920. Until 1941, many Poles and Jews fled to the Soviet Zone. Many Poles evacuated to Britain and USA via Romania. And 1919-1929 28 % of Germans in Posen were forbibly impoverished by Polish state confiscations!
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax -
1. What confiscations??? You are out of your mind. Polish state did not even expell or confiscate the property of German colonists brought in by the Prussian Comission for Colonisation. Only some big land estates of landowners were bought off to make place for poorer farmers. Nothing was confiscated. Most Germans left for Germany out of their own free will. Only garrison soldiers, policemen and administration and individuals responsible for germanisation had to leave.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax
2. 38% was the number of German-speakers, and this number includes German garrisons, German clerks and administration, Jews (who were German speaking) and also a fraction of bilingual Poles. Not to mention some 150 000 colonists who were settled in 1890s and 1900s and had little to do with Greater Poland historically. The real number of German was several percent lower than that.
And anyway, Nazis exterminated some 500 000 Polish citizens of Wartheland, and expelled yet more.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - you are mixing up two things. Polish soldiers from X 1939 who left via Romania have nothing to do whatsoever with 500 000 civilians exterminated in mass-executions, concentration and labour camps. Or with those who were forcibly expelled to GG via cattle trains to make room for Germans from Latvia and Estonia. They had 2 hours to leave and could take as much as they could hold... This has nothing to do with evacuation of Polish soldiers, These are two totally different things.
Gattamella 1 year ago
Germany lost the war and was impoverished. But that is hardly a price for occupying, colonising and forcefully germanising Polish domains of Pomerelia (West Prussia) and Greater Poland which they took by 1795.
You are either nuts or a complete ignorant. Hitler's "Wartheland" in the Nazi-occupied Poland was of no comparison to Upper Silesia. People were shot by 100s in every major city and town by Einsatzkommandos and Einsatzgruppen with a specific aim of eliminationg Polish intelligentsia.
Gattamella 1 year ago
3. Today, it is estimated that there are about 10 000 - 15 000 Ermlanders and Masurians left in Poland. From the number Ermlanders constitute probably about 5000 people. The numbers are hard to establish because of higher mixing in Ermland. Anyway, this means that 16%-20% Ermlanders remained.
Now those who left, did so for various reasons. Some had family in Germany, some considered themselves German, some were traumatised by Soviets, and some simply did not want to stay in communist Poland.
Gattamella 1 year ago
1. Many, probably nor majority, Ermlanders had a strong pro-Polish sentiment. Several thousands had to flee after 1921 because of those sentiments and German terror. 5-10 thousand people fled from East Prussia to Poland in that time.
2. After the war noona knows how many Polish-speaking Ermlanders remained. But definitely not more than 36 000, probably much less due to germanisation. Of those many intermarried after 45 with Polish immigrants. In 1948, 15% marriages in Allenstain were mixed.
Gattamella 1 year ago
When looking on the votes from kreis Allenstein consider that while the countryside was inhabited by the Polish-Speaking Warmiacy (47% 35,000 in 1905, about 33 000 in 1921), the city had a substantial German majority.
36 000 people voted in k.Allenstein. Polish-speakers were probably minority (less than 47%). By those standards - 4800 votes for Poland cast in Kreis Allenstein could be as high as 30% of all Polish-speaking Ermlanders that took the vote... Less propaganda, more facts.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella Yes, Polish-speaking Ermländer (only living in the district of Allenstein, as Kreis Rößel, Kreis Bischofsburg, Kreis Braunsberg never had non-German minorities) voted for Poland about 30 %. This is true, but also due to Kulturkampf. Despite Kulturkampf, most voted for Germany, despite Kulturkampf (anti-Catholic mostly under Bismarck) even most Upper Silesians in the participating districts voted.... to remain within Germany.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - They (Masuren&Ermlanders) voted to remain in EAST PRUSSIA, their traditional, historical homeland. Not Germany. In 1921 the sense of national belonging was far less Germanocentric than than it became in the 30s, and later, as a result of WW II + Soviet invansion
As for Silesians - many voted for Germany yes. BUT PLEBISCITE WAS HELD TO GIVE THOSE THAT FELT POLISH A CHANCE TO JOIN POLAND. This was the whole point of the plebiscite!!!! Silesia was to be split, That was the point.
Gattamella 1 year ago
In whole 4-5 villages Poland gained majority however they could not be incorporated since they were enclaves separated from Poland by the Masurian belt.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella Only in the Landkreis Allenstein, where 14th century and especially 18th century Polish immigrants lived in the most southern villages. Only in villages where one priest, Fr. Walenty Barczewski, preached actively for Polish nationalism. (Which he should not have done.) Brąswałd (Braunswalde), Jaroty (Jomendorf), Gietrzwałd (Dietrichswalde). As for loyalties: since 1990 most Warmiacy have emigrated to Germany as Spätaussiedler (Late Emigrants). So much for their "Polish' sympathy.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
And THIS ENFORCED GERMANISATION was the reason for which some Prussian Silesians voted for Germany. They simply were uprooted. For comparsion in former Austrian Silesia (Cieszyn), where there was no forced colonisation and germanisation, most Polish-speaking Silesians considered themselves as Poles.
And Iustita is wrong. 45% Silesian Parishes voted for Poland. Of these vast majority were rural parishes. Cities, which had German majority or were 50:50 Silesian : German, voted for Germany.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella Since when is 40.6 % suddenly "45 %". You falsify history. You spread lies. It is the typical and Childish Polish version of history. Not "some", but a clear majority of Upper Silesians voted for Germany in 1921. Germany. Only Rybnik, Pleß and some villages in the gmina of Groß Strehlitz voted for Poland in majority. All the rest: for Germany.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax
1. 45% is the result of the vote by Parish - which was the only way of plebiscite voting acknowledged by the Paris Peace Treaties, 45% parishes voted for Poland.
2. Majority of Upper Silesians voted for Germany, but not majority of Polish-speaking Silesians.
3. Majority of Upper Silesians voted for Germany and majority of the area remained in Germany. Those areas where the countryside had a clear pro-Polish majority were ceded to Poland on the grounds of ethnic majority.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella Ad 2. Democratic rights are not only for Polish-speaking Silesians. This is like the thing the Polish historians now complain about: discrimination of Poles in the Wartheland. A majority was Polish there, and a majority German in Silesia. But neither rights were respected. The Polish people is not sacred. It does not have more rights than German citizens.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
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@IustitiaPax
"The Polish people is not sacred. It does not have more rights than German citizens."
oday, indeed. Today, our accounts are balanced. But in those days, the accounts are unbalanced. Second Republic was less than the First Republic. Was owed compensation for 100% of the liquidation of the country. Does the size of Wielkopolska and Royal Prussia is the same as the time of the Silesian Voivodeship during Second Republic?
AZsaturn 1 year ago 5
@AZsaturn The Second Republic of Poland unlike the Polsko-Litewska Rzeczpospolita was a 1919 founded and approved ethnic nation-state. I explained it to you often enough. The multi-ethnic monarchy of the Rzeczpospolita pierwszy is not a legal predecessor of the 2nd Republic. Ethnic nation-states are 19th and 20th century concepts. Unlike previous republics like Venice (Italian + Slovenian + Croat + Albanian) and Switzerland etc. The First Republic was partitioned never "liquidated".
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax
"The Second Republic of Poland unlike the Polsko-Litewska Rzeczpospolita was a 1919 founded and approved ethnic nation-state. I explained it to you often enough."
That I explained to you very often, this the fact is for our concept is 100% void.
AZsaturn 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - First Republic was forcefully liqudated and its legal system scrapped Prussian administration was by far the worst in its policy of germanisation. Prussia was also the only occupying state which emabrked on large-scale colonisation.
German civilians were of no problem until XXth century when they actively started supporting germanisation. They forgot about their neighbours whom they scorned as second class Slavic mischvolk. And they forgot whose soil it was in the first place.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax I`ve said you once before a state is a common property of all the citizens and not nations. Only nazis and other chauvinists are still spreading propaganda about national states. The second Polish Republic is a natural successor to the first Polish Republic.
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
@RitterDesHimmels1 I don´t understand your objection against the "national state" very well. It is the "state" which is the organization of people belonging to a "nation". What´s there "nazi" or "chauvinistic" about it ? What exactly is your objection against what you call "nazi" ?
kolkrabe19 1 year ago
@kolkrabe19 It is the organization of people belonging to the citizens - not to a nation. What do you think Serbs or Jews which have the German citizenship live in Germany and care for this country are inferior than Germans?
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
@RitterDesHimmels1
1. "A nation", going by the meaning of the word, is the collection of people of a common "national" heritage. They are the legitimate citizens of the state that was created by the people belonging to that nation.
2. What do you mean by "German citizenship" ? The FRG has no "citizens", only personnel, therefore Germans carry a "Personalausweis".
3. Jews care for Germany ? You are making a joke ?
kolkrabe19 1 year ago
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@kolkrabe19 A state is a common property of all the citizens. Regardless if they are Serbs, Poles, German or Jews. National minorities have the same rights as all the other citizens.
"What do you mean by "German citizenship" ?" - Deutsche staatsagehörigkeit.
People can have more than 1 citizenship. Just like Tadeusz Kościuszko - a Polish-French-American citizen.
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
@RitterDesHimmels1 "Citizenship" and "Staatsangehörigkeit" is the same thing. There is no "Staatsangehörigkeit" "FRG"/"BRD". There is a Staatsangehörigkeit "Deutsches Reich", though. It is true that people can have multiple legal citizenships. I wouldn´t call the state the "property" of its citizens, the state apparatus is the organization of the state´s citizenry, working for the common good, hopefully. National minorities may or may not be granted equal rights by the majority population.
kolkrabe19 1 year ago
@kolkrabe19 But all citzens in European countries have equal rights.
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
@RitterDesHimmels1 I don´t know. EU is doing away with sovereignty of its nations, which means EU citizens are losing what was left of their national sovereignty to the European government in Brussels. If an immigrant gets what is fraudulently called "German citizenship", i.e. an "Einbürgerung" and a "Personalausweis", he/she has "equal rights" with all other "citizens of the FRG", a thing that cannot legally exist, though, as I said. The Danish minority in Schleswig-Holstein has "equal rights".
kolkrabe19 1 year ago
@kolkrabe19 You can read German constitution: all citizens are equal according to low, no matter if they are Serbs, Poles or Germans but of course they must remain loyal to the German state. You can also say Germans lost their national sovereignty in 1871.
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
@RitterDesHimmels1 Why in 1871 ?
kolkrabe19 1 year ago
@kolkrabe19 Because in 1871 Germany was united under Prussian aegis just like Europe was United under Brussels aegis.
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
@AZsaturn In 1919 and 1945 the monarchy of Prussia, which alongside the tsarist Romanov dynasty and the Habsburg dynasty, was responsible for the 1772-1795 partitions of Poland-Lithuania (due to internal corruption and division), was no longer existent. Emperor Wilhelm II died in 1941. The German civilians could not be responsible for monarchical decisions in 18th century. Nor was Napoleon III (19th century) responsible for 1793 decapitation of saintly King Louis XVI of France.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - that is true. German nation was not responsible. Yet Germans actively took part in:
1. Colonisation of former Polish provinces of Greater Poland (Posen) and Pomorze (West Prussia), and province of Silesia.
2. Germanisation - using the administration, schools, courts and military.
3. Expropriations of Poles and engagement in anti-Polish nationalist organisations like Deutscher Ostmarkenverein.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax
Every state is legal personality. Every heads of states are representatives of specified legal personality. Because, state no have body, is not natural person. Natural persons who related which legal personality, acquires all rights, debts and obligations of a legal person. Kingdom of Prussia and they succesors was great debtor.
AZsaturn 1 year ago
@Gattamella The eastern Upper Silesian areas ceded to Poland only in some cases had pro-Polish minority: Pleß, Loslau, Rybnik, Landkreis Kattowitz. In the other cases: the cities Lublinitz and Kattowitz had pro-German majorities, as did Königshütte (Krolewska Huta). I just mention bishop Walter Mixa, born in Königshütte, to parents who always lived there. Pro-German majorities were not observed. Poland took most coal mines and iron ore mines. Germany was impoverished by Versailles etc.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
Wrocław pozostanie na zawsze częścią Niemiec! Niemieckiego miasta jak Drezno i Greifswald!
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax
To nie my zabraliśmy Wrocław. Nie zabrali Wrocławia nawet Rosjanie. Prusacy pozbawili siebie prawa do tego miejsce. Poprzez swoje zbrodnie. Należna rekompensata.
AZsaturn 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - Greifswald was built on Pomeranian Slavic soil by the Germans. Wrocław was built on Polish Slavic by the Slavs, settled by the Slavs who constituted a minority until XX century. It remained mixed for long centuries. So no... Wroclaw is not and has never been as German as Greifswald, and most certinaly not as Dresden.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella Yes, everything is "Slavic soil". Paris is Polish too, Dresden is Polish, Rostock is Polish. Everything. Breslau was always German since its foundations as a true city.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax -
4. So read about the plebiscite and stop accusing me of lying when you are spreading lies yourself.
5. Wroclaw - what is "foundation as a true city"? A large city was already there since early feudal times in Xth century. It was the seat of a local bishopcy founded by the duke of Poland in 1000. The city was lated "founded" or rather granted a German law and settled with Germans in XII-XIIIth century. That does not mean it wwas "always German" . That is complete bullshit.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax
"Breslau was always German"? Always? I do not believe that the Germans called the city: "Vratislav". The first name of this place.
AZsaturn 1 year ago
Silesia was czech land before Prussians took it thats true. Vratislav is czech name of this city.
spencr68 1 year ago
@spencr68
True. "Breslau" in the slightest degree is not similar to Vratislav.
AZsaturn 1 year ago
@spencr68 no is was bohemian and then the austrians annexed whole bohemia and lost it to prussia after a war.
MaestroFire 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Problem polega na tym, że sami Niemcy nie chcą odzyskać Wrocławia i Śląska. Poznałem jednego kolesia z Bawarii który powiedział, iż w innym niemieckim bundeslandzie traktowany jest prawie jak obcokrajowiec. Nie mówiąc już nawet o podziałach na Ossi i Wessi.
Powiedz jesteś chrześcijaninem dlaczego więc szerzysz nienawiść na youtubie?
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
@RitterDesHimmels1 Nienawidzę nikt i nic. Uwielbiam polskiej kultury i narodu polskiego. Ale potępiają nacjonalizm skrajnych patriotów polskich. Istnieje mnóstwo Niemców, którzy powrócili do Wrocławia i Królewca. Ale Allied masy psychologii PSYOPS utrzymuje ich strach. Ale uwaga niemieckiej telewizji: ciągły serii Prus Wschodnich i Śląska.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Właśnie na tym polega twoja taktyka mówisz, że uwielbiasz polską kulturę a mimo to szerzysz roszczenia terytorialne, nienawiść wobec Polski i Polaków, kłamstwa oraz pospolite chamstwo. Widać, że nie jesteś Niemcem - oni takich rzeczy nie wyprawiają.
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
If I can find the memoirs of Lt. Iwanski who served with Korfanty during the uprising and 1943-4 with the AK I will share with you the reference.
IanHunedoara8 1 year ago
@IanHunedoara8 - you got some? Please do. But those fanatics will never bother to read it. Their wrongly understood sense of "patriotism" wants them to believe in a simple picture. There is no sense in building up your patriotism at the expense of facts.
First one needs to understand that Prussia took Silesia from the Habsburg Empire where it rightufully belonged. Then Prussian government embarked on ruthless germanisation through acculturaion ( legal discrimination) and blood (colonisation).
Gattamella 1 year ago
do you german people who claims that silesia is german even live in silesia ? have you ever been there?
do you know somthing about the silesian uprsings against germany?
doesn't seem like that . Silesia will never be german cuz we don't see ourselfs to be germans we are Silesian and our languages is Silesian. wich is a slavic languages
and after all who give a fuck it is all Europe, is just sad that you still are so ignorant
Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna!
noraswe 1 year ago
@noraswe The Silesian Uprisings were done by Polish troops and volunteers from Masovia, and by some "Silesian" Polish miner immigrants living in Rybnik, Sosnowitz, Lublinitz and Loslau. The Silesians themselves hardly participated, and most opposed the Uprisings. But you will never be told that in Polish szowinist "historical education".
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax
What was the cause of the Silesian Uprisings? We were very bored with the role of perpetual victims. Unimaginable delight was to swap roles. Autonomous Silesia Voivodeship was very smaller than the Prussian booty after partitioned. Why we should not have anything in compensation?
AZsaturn 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Col. Iwanski was one of Korfanty's leutanants who chronicled the conflicts from the Polish side was a Kattowitz native and not an "import from Mazovia" as you claim. German claims extended far beyond Kattowitz as you well know even the Junkers and pro=Kaiser militarists demanded a return of Posen district and all of West Prussia. Ethnicity is not blood but how you feel. I am Aromanian Vlakh whose family was always loyal to Greece
IanHunedoara8 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Polish troops didn`t participated in the 2`nd Silesian uprising because they were engaged in the Polish-Soviet war. Some Poles helped us during the third uprising because we (Silesians) didn`t had experienced commanders so we would lost the uprising against Germans. During the first world war Silesians were always inferior in the German army.
RitterDesHimmels1 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Kapp's Freikorps and the Stahlhelmgruppe were known for their brutality not only in Silesia but in Lithuania as well.
IanHunedoara8 1 year ago
@IanHunedoara8 Nonsense. Defence of Silesian citizens is "brutal"? The Freikorps were a legitimate border defence, and even the League of Nations approved of their actions in retrospect. Like in the Memelland, in Silesia the vast majority wanted to remain in Germany. It was the Polish side who enacted terrorism, even terrorism against voters in all French-controlled parts of Upper Silesia.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - terrorism was insitgated by German militias beating and hunting down pro-Polish activists. After 150 years of colonisation and enforced ruthless germanisation, Prussian nationalists were still reluctant to concede that 45% Upper Silesian citizens (NOT UPPER SILESIANS), voted for Poland.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax There were some 20 000 indigenous Silesian fighting for the Poles. Have you actually read any publicaton on the subject?
By the way, showing plebiscite results by city is hardly objective as cities were mostly German enclaves in what was predominantly Polish Silesian countryside.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella The Polish invading forces were terrorists and considered like that by British and Italian occupation troops in eastern Upper Silesia. The Plebiscite was well founded, and most Slavic Silesian farmers voted for Germany. Rural entirely German-speaking communities were excluded from the Plebiscite already (Grottkau, Neisse etc.). Most "Silesian" Polish terrorists were children of Wielkopolska immigrants to Rybnik, Lubliniec, Loslau, Krolewska Huta. Not natives.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - These were no terrorists but Sileisan insurgents fighting for inclusion in Poland.
45%, 693 parishes voted for Poland in Upper Silesia. Cities voted predominantly for Germany, Countryside voted for Poland. So don't bullshit that most Slavic Silesians voted for Germany. That is nonsense..
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - So no. 20 000 Silesians fighting for Poland were no terrorists. Just like 45% Sielsian Parishes were not terrorists. They were indigenous Catholic Silesians - terrorised, discriminated against and germanised in their own country by the Protestant Prussian government and its ill-fatef "Kulturkampf".
Silesia was no Masurenland and Silesian Plebiscite was no East Prussia Plebiscite. Read some elementaty literature (like Davies) and stop spreading bullshit about plebiscite's score.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella "Catholic" Silesians from Masovia? Defying the interdict of Adolf Cardinal Bertram, archbishop of Breslau, who forbade political assassinations and political separatism against the fatherlands and common peace? The Silesian Plebiscite was a complete disaster for the Polish invaders. They terrorized voting locations, but still only received 59.6 % of all votes. Indeed, some minority of formerly pro-German Silesians voted for Poland, because of Catholicism. Masuren: 99 % for Germany!
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax I mean, they received 40.4 % of the votes, despite terror. And the German parts of Upper Silesia (Neisse O.S., Grottkau, Bauerwitz, Brieg etc.) were not even taking part in the Plebiscite, because the Poles knew they would loose.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - you completely misunderstand what a plebiscite is and why it is held.
The Plebiscite 1921 was not a this-or-that collective decision of all Silesian, but an individual decision each Upper Silesian PARISH. It was held in Polish-speaking regions because the Partis Peace Treaties ensured that each occupied nation had the right to vote according their national allegiance and join their respective nation/state on the grounds of local ethnic majority. 45% Parishes voted Poland.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - There was no Polish terror prior to the Plebiscie. Poland was tied fighting the Red Army, some 1 mln strong. You are talking utter nonsense.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax I am not going to discuss this with a pro-Prussian fanatic whose family most likely originates from German Schlesingers. No. Silesians were not pro-German since Germans degraded them, discriminated against them and banned their mother tongue and traditions from public life.
Silesians were Catholic and were not pro-German, nor pro-Prussian. 45% Silesian Parishes voted for Poland. Period, That is a fact. Your interpretations, and slandering the Poles do not interest me.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax - You little liar. Not 99% for Germany but for EAST PRUSSIA! Which was menat to have a great degree of autonomy. Masurians were cheated and that was the reason for their separatism. In Masuren/Ermland German wild terror before Plebiscite forced some 10 000 indigenous Polish-speakers to flee for their lives. Germans beating up Polish voters, and using organised armed terror cowed people into submission. Germans would force people out of land, jobs and property for voting for Poland.
Gattamella 1 year ago
@Gattamella I know many Warmiacy, who consider themselves Germans, but whose ancestors were Catholics and spoke Polish and thus considered themselves pro-Polish. A small minority of about 11 % in the Landkreis (district) of Allenstein. 18th century Polish Masovian immigrants. The mostly Lutheran Masurians all voted for Germany. The NSDAP in the Kreis Lyck obtained 76 % of all votes in 1932. They had Polish-speaking Nazi Party rallies in Masuria.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago