They just don't get it at all. They only see things on the surface. They don't take the time to look underneath. You can't just say no, he didn't love H.W. It's way deeper then that. Nothing in this movie is black and white.
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the music was done by Jonny Greenwood, who is a guitarist in Radiohead, not the lead singer. Good review though. I didn't know the characters were based on real people.
Very nice review, I like that you know so much about the material used for the movie, for instance that Upton was a socialist, really sheds a new light on the movie.
Daniel Plainview has a really defined character arc. He goes from good guy to villain. Normally in hollywood movies the hero goes from a loser to a hero and makes a journey. But no one ever said that a hero shouldn't make an other journey. From decent guy to evil guy. It was to me verry satisfying and the character arc is defenitely there.
This was actually a pretty good review! Nice work! There were a couple of things that were a bit off (the guitarist from Radiohead did the score, not the lead singer), but it doesn't hurt the review. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
The Panhandle Plains museum in Canyon, Texas has a reconstructed full size drilling rig from that era inside the museum. They have a movie on the oil boom & a lot of interesting design features, with old oil trucks,an old gas station, valves & pipes everywhere, oil field tools, etc. It's worth a visit if you're interested in that sort of thing & if you're ever getting down I-40 thru Amarillo. Canyon is about 25 miles south, not a huge detour when you take the south loop at Amarillo.
Daniel Plainview's arc, to me, seemed to be the depths in which he sank. At first he seems to be a dedicated, hard working oil prospector. Then he reveals some two-faced traits. And as the movie goes on you realize that he's not only two-faced but just completely vile. He has an uncanny ability to exploit people's weaknesses and, by the last twenty minutes of the film, you realize that he has no problem using that ability either. I think that, as a character study, it is in a class of it's own.
Daniel had no character arc after the first 20 mins? What about the fact that a lot of it studies him as a character. You are supose to think about why he does what he does. And he is a bad character but he sometimes seems like a compassionate man if only for short moments. For instance when H.w. is deafened during the oil explosion. This is a deep character, not just a "bad guy". That old wanker is a contradicting perv.
Being a deep character and having a character arc are two different things. He simply means that after the first 20 minutes, the character doesn't really change. Hamlet is also a deep character, but he has almost no character arc until the very end of the play. Hamlet is a stagnant character in many ways--but that makes him no less deep. Daniel is the same way.
Do they like any films at all? Most of their reviews concerning dramas have complaints about how brutal and dark the movies are. Yes. The world is can be a dark, brutal place, and these films address that.
And also, the music was done by Jonny Greenwood, the guitarist for Radiohead, not the lead singer. That's Thom Yorke.
jeez give the guy a break!!! At least he knows about Radiohead and that they are an alternative avant gard band. That's saying a lot for someone his age!!! And of course they like movies... Lorenzo Semple he was hailed by the Writers Guild of America as a Living Legend. Ever heard of "The Parallax View" or "Three Days of the Condor?" Marcia Nasatir is a famous Hollywood producer...I think she "likes" films.
I was so happy when the oilman finally killed the religious nut in the bowling alley. It would have been better if he had burned him alive though. And then found a way to bring him back and burn him alive again. And then repeat that for eternity.
I believe Plainview at least had an affinity for H.W., and even H.W.'s soon to be wife.The scene where Daniel confronts her with the decadence of her relationship with her father affirms that he wasn't quite a fiend after all;he did care-and perhaps her reluctance to pray elicited a bond between them.I believe his atheism clashed with the townspeople,thereby making him a misanthropist.He wanted the townspeople to "thrive" and the children educated,but Eli acted as anintolerablehindrancetohisplan
there acting, you do know then when people get old... they dont all go crazy... they can still act. that what this is... with that... this stufff is wonderfull. i love it.
great film, but i think it was abit of a fraud, it looks nice, and trys extremely hard to be hard hitting, and very political, but the story was Danny Day Lewis, not of the oil and the climate of tension about finding the oil and making a killing from it.
though i do think in my books it was level pegging with No Country For Old Men, a 9.5/10 in my books. great performances made it, which anyother actors woulda killed the film dead in the water.
I disagree with the old geezer that Daniel didnt love H.W. What he told H.W. at the end was out of anger. Im sure there was some truth to him using H.W. as a cute face for a sales pitch, but I think that the "cute face thing" came a little latter. He originaly took him in because he belonged to a man that died while working with him. You can see the love for him when Daniel has flashbacks after he calls H.W. the "bastard from a basket". Im not sure how the old geezer couldnt see that
Jonny Greenwood, the GUITARIST from Radiohead, wrote the majority of the music, except of course, for that great Brahms piece during the end credits. However, you get credit for even knowing about Radiohead, being that both you guys are pretty damn old. Respect!
Nice review, although I don't agree with everything you said, it was a joy to watch, you are both very pleasant to listen to, and good at expressing your opinions. :)
If I may offer a correction, Jonny Greenwood is a /member/ of Radiohead, mainly known for his guitaring and keyboarding but very multi-talented. Thom Yorke, who had nothing to do with TWBB, is the lead singer, and is pretty famous on his own, such as working with Bjork.
I liked what this woman said about him being a sympathetic character. It's hard to see, but he's definitely not totally calloused...for example, when that man died in the well, I thought it important to note Daniel's reaction...the sad, disappointed look, with him saying "when we go down into the well, we tell other people..yes?"...I don't think that was meant to show just his business-minded point of view. Or the other time, when he told the little Sunday girl: "No hitting, right?"
I agree with you 100%. I also found him to be a sympathetic character. Even towards the end of the movie when he is talking to his son. He obviously became angry and emotionaly detached at this point, but I dont think the content upset H.W. as much as the fact that he saw his Father drifting further and further away with each and every hateful word.
His downfall wasn't his selfishness, but rather his own paranoia and distrust of everyone. Throughout the film, Daniel is looking for some kind of human connection. That's what I liked about the movie...it didn't present Daniel as a one-dimensional, conniving character like Upton Sinclair did in "Oil!"..it was realistic and human.
I just want to clear something up. The kid DOESN'T try to kill his father. He recognized that the man who claims to be Plainview's brother is an impostor, and he lights up a trail of oil that leads to this impostor's bed.
This is awesome. You guys definitely know your stuff. The only quirk I noticed is that Johnny Greenwood is the guitar player for Radiohead. That's pretty minor, though.
I personally loved this movie, and I can definitely tell you guys liked it too.
Johnny Greenwood is a composer as well as the lead-GUITARIST of Radiohead...and he's not that avante garde, some of the songs he recorded years ago for another movie score called "bodysong" (the scene where the derrick blows up for example)
I think you guys are a little bit out of touch. Plainview was somewhat sympathetic and there was a cheer in the theatre when Plainview bonked Eli on the head.
Just FYI, Jonny Greenwood is not the lead singer of Radiohead. He's the lead guitarist. Thom Yorke is the lead singer. Just thought you might like to know.
I think it's left open to debate if he loved the boy or not. It's arguable that he was incapable of love and was more concerned with loyalty. He was guilty about his own disloyalty when he sent the boy away and became enraged when the boy decides to strike out on his own, because he sees that as disloyalty as well.
The trouble is that loyalty thematically does not work with the whole film. The common thread in the film is family--fathers, sons, brothers, mothers. it's a movie about BLOOD (hence the title)...Daniel, I believe, loves HW but denies that instinct because he's never known the love of a mother and father himself, and HW is not biologically his
Everyone Daniel has known through blood relations has betrayed him. So he is wary of loving others. But HW squeaked into a few vulnerable crevices.
I think he did love him. You can't raise a young child to adulthood and not deep down inside. The scene where HW leaves and Daniel sits on the stairs with a look of concentration and has flash backs of HW as a child, that is proof enough within the movie that he did love him, he just loved money and "oil" more.
That may be true for you or me, but that doesn't mean it's true for Daniel Plainview. I think his character's humanity was in question throughout the film. Lots of people raise children and don't love them. They are called sociopaths and his behavior throughout the film fits the bill. That's what I meant by "incapable of love.
To me, it wasn't just about loyalty. He didn't "need" a business partner when he took in the man he thought was his brother...the conversations with that man actually showed Daniel open up and feel comfortable and be generous and genuine, until he found out he was being deceived.
How does taking in someone who he thinks is his brother show he's not concerned with loyalty? If anything, that strengthens my point. It wasn't about love, he did what he thought a loyal brother would do.
The fact that he killed him so easily showed his true nature; disconnected from humanity. Incapable of real relationships.
no. Boogie Nights came second. His first film, known as 'Sydney' or 'Hard Eight', starred, among others, John C. Reilly, Samuel L Jackson, and that one from Seven who looses her head. Nobody went to see it though. including myself.
Not to be a complete dork, but "Oil!" isn't literally narrated by the son, but is told in limited omniscient from his point of view. (Okay, so I'm a complete dork)
I think he loved his son about as much as a self-centered psycho could, however, his entire motivation for even adopting the child was to use him to melt the hearts of his would-be victims. Great film.
I read in an interview that the final scene in the movie when he kills Eli (which many said was unnecessary for the film) represented the capitalist always winning over religion.
the movie ended the way it did to open up the obvious need for a sequel. the son/orphan went on to do his own oil driling, and don't forget about paul with his wells, maybe will seek revenge for killing his brother.
and even though he lashed out at him at the end, i dont think that meant he didnt love him, he was just angry, and said something that he would probably forget later on.
That's what I got from it too. He spent time reading over the diary, and that night the event happened. I didn't read the book, but I also thought that H.W., after his traumatic experience had seen Daniel pulling away, the both no longer able to communicate after they had been so close. He may have seen Henry as someone to replace him, which Henry did. A book usually explains things much better.
@err2005 Don't lie you cheated and Wiki it. I did too. I didn't get it at first.. If you did actually get it on your own. Touche. I knew he wasn't trying to kill Daniel but I didn't understand why he did that.
THERE WILL BE BLOOD was amazing. WONDERFUL MOVIE. Watch it. Brilliant performance. Daniel Day Lewis is a vastly different character here than ever before!!
oh no, don't get me wrong, i love movies of all sorts. I did just watch it the night before i posted the last comment, so i probably over exagerated how poor the film was. The acting was great, the cinematography was great. The only thing I didn't like was the story. I built up pretty good like something was gonna happen, and then it just didn't. There wasn't really a climax. They should taken poetic license and made the story go somewhere. That's all. I won't read the book.
The climax was Plainview's killing of the preacher. It was his full descent into madness. It was his conversation with his son. I thank God that this film is not a pattern follower.
But drama IS a pattern! Drama should not imitate reality. Drama is only entertainment. And for it to be good drama, it must be dramatic, which is something that I thought the film lacked. The audience is forced to create the drama for themselves, based on events. I think, like "birebire", the film failed to do what good drama must: reflect reality enough so that the audience is able to relate to the story, but not to IMITATE reality; if drama was exactly like reality, it would not entertain us.
You're right, but I just love the way the movie played out. I didn't create the drama for myself. I prefer realism over melodrama. This isn't 1950s Hollywood. I think that movies and drama change and evolve, or at least should. I love movies like "American Psycho" and this movie.
Trust me, I detest melodrama, but what I meant when I said "the audience is forced to create the drama for themselves" is not that the emotions of characters are not presented, but that I didn't think that there isn't any real conflict at the end. The only conflict that real existed was the Daniel vs. Eli showdown, but the conflict didn't reflect a more general idea of Plainview's character; we already know how menancing he is. In fact, i thought Day-Lewis' performance was a little melodramatic.
its next to impossible to meet a guy like DDLewis portrais in real life but some of us did so i think this movie is just close to being as true as it possible
I wish they would get their facts straight before reviewing. Greenwood is not the lead singer of Radiohead... I don't think HW was trying to set his father on fire (this was pre-"abandoning")-- he saw something in the "brother" that didn't quite fit and tried to eliminate him from their lives. Even if you don't accept that theory, you can also say HW was threatened by the fact that the "brother" could possible take his place.
I have to agree with Lorenzo about this movie especially the fact that Daniel Day Lewis very obsessed with his role it is almost scary to watch especially at the end where lose himself completely.
Marcia was partially correct about Doheny being one of the influences for a character in the movie. It was actually Daniel Day Lewis' character Daniel whom was inspired by this real life historical figure.
i remembered half way through that it was Jonny Greenwood(fukin genius) and couldn't ignore the music from then on. I liked the film a lot but it pisses me off that slow thoughtfull films are only credited when they are big budget American films when there are many foreign films just as good, they miss that the point of the Lewis charicter slowly disappoints you more and more through the film so you are as a viewer you are like the son. Love films where they don't talk for the first 30 mins
The geezers said the score was done by the lead singer of radiohead, and that is incorrect. Thom York is the lead singer; Jonny Greenwood is the lead guitarist, and he produced the score for the film.
just one thing i wanted to say, i think daniel loved HW. the side of daniel that insulted HW wasn't really daniel's true self. he was driven to distraction by the fact that the boy was betraying him, and we know that daniel has a really volatile personality which makes it rational that he would do that.
I've said it once i'll say it again these two old people are fools. H.W. doesen't try to set Daniel on fire he tried to set his phoney brother on fire. Although it was interesting that he praised RadioHead.
the plot of this movie, if cut down is actually alot like Sweenie Todd directed by Tim Bourtin. the movie starts with the main charactor "sweenie" as a very nice family man small person barber with a small newborn child and a loving wife who gets stolen from him by an evil judge. this turns sweenie into an evil and twisted man who kills innocent people. the move was over done, to much gore, very depressing, but beautifly done visually.
Incorrect he is digging for silver when he accindently stumbles upon oil. Plainview is a sympathetic character and I found my self loathing Eli Sunday.
i believe that he tries to set "Henry" on fire because he discovers that he isn't really his brother... Plainview love HW wholeheartedly, but he break his own heart with his cruel personality
I disagree with the thoughts on Plainview never loving H.W, I think he did very much. Such as when he runs out to find D.W when the oil erupts from the ground. Plainview can't handle H.W's sickness at all, which is were his trouble starts. In the end of the film, you can see that as the phrase 'bastard from a basket' he hooks onto it, and repeats it over and over to devasting effect, because I believe Plainview is actually hurt at this lost, and the only way he can protect himself is to hurt HW.
I agree with Lorenzo that the film is highly flawed. I think Paul Anderson tried to depoliticize "There Will Be Blood" as much as possible and the film suffers as a consequence. I don't think it's about capitalism and religion as much as it is about two shallow "crazy" characters pretending to be deep. The films lacks all of the complexity of the novel. "Hard Eight" & "Boogie Nights" are much better films & I think "Boogie Nights" is both about atypical type of family AND beautiful girls.
Plainview and Eli just had WAY too many BTs left unaudited for me to take them seriously. Heh heh heh. -- I did like the first 45 minutes but it's just too intellectually shallow for my taste, especially considering the source material.
Holy shit, u compared Radiohead to Philip Glass..I never knew anyone else who listens to Philip Glass besides me and my one friend who are fans of particularly fucking weird music
I see this film as an allegory for capitalism which takes no sides. Industry vs mysticism, efficiency vs spirituality, profit vs prayer, secularism and ruthless capitalism against naivity and the old world.
I like the way it takes neither side.
Loved it when he smacks the religious kid about though.. aha..
This guy loves Boogie Nights but doesn't think it's about family? Whaaaat? That's the major theme of it: Family! It's like thinking There Will Be Blood's theme has nothing to do with greed.
plainview's son doesnt try to set him on fire, he try's to set his fake brother on fire. and i would disagree with the man, i forget his name, but anderson doesn almost almost always have family as a theme in his films, and it is certainly a theme in boogie nights. It's definitely not just about naked chicks, which there arent that many anyway.
each review i've watched of these 2 they get things wrong from the films in terms of what they think scenes meant... no country and TWBB, so i don't care to watch anymore heh
The lead singer from Radiohead had nothing to do with the music of this movie it was the guitarist. I'm sure it's been said already but I didn't feel like checking 107 comments.
Nice Philip Glass + Fredo reference. I've been checking out your various reviews and although this personally is my new favorite film, even ahead of Felinni's 8 1/2, I feel as though you have contributed a fantastic review and video.
No, he didn't love the boy. He used the boy, and he throws him out when he feels threatened by him. That's not love. I can't believe how defensive some of you are over their opinions. Did you help produce the film? Did you help write or direct it? No, you didn't, you just watched it. So let people have their opinions and you can have yours. These guys know their stuff, and if you don't like it don't watch, don't tell them to shut their mouths though.
you are wrong. did you just see the ending where he says he didn't love him? he only says that to hurt him. if he didn't care for the boy, why would he tuck him in, cook for him, show affection. he was heartbroken and hurt when his son was hurt. you take things too literally. your personal life must suck if you can't read people and their emotions. lonely bastard.
Jesus man settle down. Did you forget the part where he puts him on a train alone and leaves him there? Thats not love. Sure he cared for the boy, like someone cares for a pet, but he used the boy to humanize him. Oh and did you notice he kept giving him whiskey? Even as a baby? Plainview was a monster, not capable of something like love. You can't just say someone can't read emotions if they disagree with you about a character, perhaps they saw something differently then you. So calm down.
did you forget that he ordered him goat's milk. that he kept asking for goat's milk? know your history. it is was not uncommon for children to have whiskey then. it was believed to be medicinal. "sure he cared for the boy" is your quote. that is all i said. so stop backtracking and mellow out.
oh your a clever one aren't you. Hey heres a 'radical notion' for you, why don't you go get the flu then chug down on some whiskey and goats milk, see if that makes you feel better!
you're not your. but anyways...milk and goat's milk would not be good for a flu. I am not a licensed physician but I do have extensive medical knowledge. Hope your Saturday improves and you don't have to respond to me anymore.
Almost a licensed physician you say? Oh well at least you're a licensed asshole, that's not something everybody accomplishes. Well I hope you have a great Saturday friend, no harsh feelings. Keep studying that 19th Century Medicine textbook and go for the gold! good luck on the phd!
i minored in history for your information with an emphasis on the old west. i actually consulted in shitty straight to video sequel of westworld. thanks for your support.
Wow, you guys both have overreacted. You're both fighting for the right to have your own opinion while completely putting down the other person's opinion. And the personal attacks... Really? Are you serious? Why call someone a "lonely bastard" with a personal life that "must suck" because of their opinion of a character in a movie (no matter how great the movie is)?
I agree that Daniel's love for H.W. is worthy of discussion. But it's not at all worthy of a fight! That's ridiculous!
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you talk about overreactions..and putting people down...then call us ridiculous. if you meant what you said you wouldn't bother. don't throw stones from your house made of glass and hypocrisy you little faggot. fuck you!
Sorry to be pedantic. But i think 'Oil!' is written by Upton Sinclair, not Sinclair Lewis.
aDemiurge 4 months ago
They just don't get it at all. They only see things on the surface. They don't take the time to look underneath. You can't just say no, he didn't love H.W. It's way deeper then that. Nothing in this movie is black and white.
CobainLennon8094 6 months ago
Daniel Day Lewis's character doesn't learn the error of his ways because this movie is a tragedy. It couldn't have ended any other way.
ketchupdespot 7 months ago
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the music was done by Jonny Greenwood, who is a guitarist in Radiohead, not the lead singer. Good review though. I didn't know the characters were based on real people.
EricSharp 8 months ago
Very nice review, I like that you know so much about the material used for the movie, for instance that Upton was a socialist, really sheds a new light on the movie.
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nachoking54 1 year ago
Daniel Plainview has a really defined character arc. He goes from good guy to villain. Normally in hollywood movies the hero goes from a loser to a hero and makes a journey. But no one ever said that a hero shouldn't make an other journey. From decent guy to evil guy. It was to me verry satisfying and the character arc is defenitely there.
Fapsamup 1 year ago
There Will Be Blood is such an old-fashioned movie, in the way it's made, that it makes sense these two like it.
Toonami2 1 year ago
I just love the part where Daniel looks on as HW's sign language interpreter flaps his hand around...:)
maxrome67 1 year ago
this is really good!!!
diegorosd 1 year ago
This was actually a pretty good review! Nice work! There were a couple of things that were a bit off (the guitarist from Radiohead did the score, not the lead singer), but it doesn't hurt the review. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
michaeljamesmccabe 1 year ago
Who lets these two review movies? Jesus christ...
leftfootrightfoot23 1 year ago
the old man is an idiot!
watch the movie again and you'll understand it more!
i agree with u err2005!
phptank008 1 year ago
conceited wiseacre
sitiosanguinem 2 years ago
The boy tried to kill the brother, not Daniel.
Nimnoms 2 years ago
The Panhandle Plains museum in Canyon, Texas has a reconstructed full size drilling rig from that era inside the museum. They have a movie on the oil boom & a lot of interesting design features, with old oil trucks,an old gas station, valves & pipes everywhere, oil field tools, etc. It's worth a visit if you're interested in that sort of thing & if you're ever getting down I-40 thru Amarillo. Canyon is about 25 miles south, not a huge detour when you take the south loop at Amarillo.
sistermitzi 2 years ago
she's great, even though she gets some details a bit wrong. He's an annoying know-it-all.
cwcpr 2 years ago
Daniel Plainview's arc, to me, seemed to be the depths in which he sank. At first he seems to be a dedicated, hard working oil prospector. Then he reveals some two-faced traits. And as the movie goes on you realize that he's not only two-faced but just completely vile. He has an uncanny ability to exploit people's weaknesses and, by the last twenty minutes of the film, you realize that he has no problem using that ability either. I think that, as a character study, it is in a class of it's own.
gangstasmurf06 2 years ago
Daniel had no character arc after the first 20 mins? What about the fact that a lot of it studies him as a character. You are supose to think about why he does what he does. And he is a bad character but he sometimes seems like a compassionate man if only for short moments. For instance when H.w. is deafened during the oil explosion. This is a deep character, not just a "bad guy". That old wanker is a contradicting perv.
NZfootballfan666 2 years ago
Being a deep character and having a character arc are two different things. He simply means that after the first 20 minutes, the character doesn't really change. Hamlet is also a deep character, but he has almost no character arc until the very end of the play. Hamlet is a stagnant character in many ways--but that makes him no less deep. Daniel is the same way.
simplicitytheatre 2 years ago
Do they like any films at all? Most of their reviews concerning dramas have complaints about how brutal and dark the movies are. Yes. The world is can be a dark, brutal place, and these films address that.
And also, the music was done by Jonny Greenwood, the guitarist for Radiohead, not the lead singer. That's Thom Yorke.
saxonsnowredux 2 years ago
jeez give the guy a break!!! At least he knows about Radiohead and that they are an alternative avant gard band. That's saying a lot for someone his age!!! And of course they like movies... Lorenzo Semple he was hailed by the Writers Guild of America as a Living Legend. Ever heard of "The Parallax View" or "Three Days of the Condor?" Marcia Nasatir is a famous Hollywood producer...I think she "likes" films.
jayflo92008 2 years ago
@saxonsnowredux He's a dinosaur man. At least he knows who Radiohead is. lol
dowhat93 1 year ago
lol the old dude thinks he knows everything about films cause hes 108
Aphasia17 2 years ago
this was a masterpiece....the old guy's wrong
yellowwasp09 2 years ago
That old man is a dick.......
RottenTreat 2 years ago
CAN ANYONE SPELL ALZHEIMER?!
just kidding, love you both.
armyofmeisbliss 2 years ago
I was so happy when the oilman finally killed the religious nut in the bowling alley. It would have been better if he had burned him alive though. And then found a way to bring him back and burn him alive again. And then repeat that for eternity.
onebaud 2 years ago 3
Actually, it is Doheny. :)
TemplarReturns 2 years ago
I believe Plainview at least had an affinity for H.W., and even H.W.'s soon to be wife.The scene where Daniel confronts her with the decadence of her relationship with her father affirms that he wasn't quite a fiend after all;he did care-and perhaps her reluctance to pray elicited a bond between them.I believe his atheism clashed with the townspeople,thereby making him a misanthropist.He wanted the townspeople to "thrive" and the children educated,but Eli acted as anintolerablehindrancetohisplan
Floorsnarl 2 years ago
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Floorsnarl 2 years ago
6:40 How could somebody perceive an American masterpiece to be nearly indistinguishable from a total fraud.
Floorsnarl 2 years ago
this may also be older people who love films... godbless them..
leechdom 2 years ago 2
there acting, you do know then when people get old... they dont all go crazy... they can still act. that what this is... with that... this stufff is wonderfull. i love it.
leechdom 2 years ago
Very insightful. Good points.
jonnystranger 2 years ago
LOL
it wasnt the singer XD
dilson1 2 years ago
Irrelevant. He did make a good point about how Radiohead's weird, almost avant-garde and nightmarish-at-times style fit the film perfectly.
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suchAnoob 3 years ago
great film, but i think it was abit of a fraud, it looks nice, and trys extremely hard to be hard hitting, and very political, but the story was Danny Day Lewis, not of the oil and the climate of tension about finding the oil and making a killing from it.
though i do think in my books it was level pegging with No Country For Old Men, a 9.5/10 in my books. great performances made it, which anyother actors woulda killed the film dead in the water.
rorrt 3 years ago
I disagree with the old geezer that Daniel didnt love H.W. What he told H.W. at the end was out of anger. Im sure there was some truth to him using H.W. as a cute face for a sales pitch, but I think that the "cute face thing" came a little latter. He originaly took him in because he belonged to a man that died while working with him. You can see the love for him when Daniel has flashbacks after he calls H.W. the "bastard from a basket". Im not sure how the old geezer couldnt see that
mkutz007 3 years ago 2
Jonny Greenwood, the GUITARIST from Radiohead, wrote the majority of the music, except of course, for that great Brahms piece during the end credits. However, you get credit for even knowing about Radiohead, being that both you guys are pretty damn old. Respect!
dickin585 3 years ago
Nice review, although I don't agree with everything you said, it was a joy to watch, you are both very pleasant to listen to, and good at expressing your opinions. :)
If I may offer a correction, Jonny Greenwood is a /member/ of Radiohead, mainly known for his guitaring and keyboarding but very multi-talented. Thom Yorke, who had nothing to do with TWBB, is the lead singer, and is pretty famous on his own, such as working with Bjork.
Like I said, though, nice review! :D
Caleb9849 3 years ago 3
bravo!
headcrabzombie 3 years ago
I liked what this woman said about him being a sympathetic character. It's hard to see, but he's definitely not totally calloused...for example, when that man died in the well, I thought it important to note Daniel's reaction...the sad, disappointed look, with him saying "when we go down into the well, we tell other people..yes?"...I don't think that was meant to show just his business-minded point of view. Or the other time, when he told the little Sunday girl: "No hitting, right?"
joshdesk 3 years ago
Interesting you say that - I thought that during the well scene he looked more inconvenienced than disappointed
tommyray18 3 years ago
No, Id have to disagree with you. He was upset. He obviously shows it in a different way
mkutz007 3 years ago
I agree with you 100%. I also found him to be a sympathetic character. Even towards the end of the movie when he is talking to his son. He obviously became angry and emotionaly detached at this point, but I dont think the content upset H.W. as much as the fact that he saw his Father drifting further and further away with each and every hateful word.
mkutz007 3 years ago
His downfall wasn't his selfishness, but rather his own paranoia and distrust of everyone. Throughout the film, Daniel is looking for some kind of human connection. That's what I liked about the movie...it didn't present Daniel as a one-dimensional, conniving character like Upton Sinclair did in "Oil!"..it was realistic and human.
joshdesk 3 years ago
I've never seen these guys b4, great chemistry together. Very amusing , not sure though how they intend to be perceived...
Ozbeatle 3 years ago
fantastic review. These kids should have their own TV show.
murrayftw 3 years ago
these oul dears need to watch the movie another couple of times before trying to review it
kevycanavan 3 years ago
I just want to clear something up. The kid DOESN'T try to kill his father. He recognized that the man who claims to be Plainview's brother is an impostor, and he lights up a trail of oil that leads to this impostor's bed.
coasterman16 3 years ago 5
These old geezers give some pretty good movie reviews. Good job.
XXLpinut 3 years ago
This is awesome. You guys definitely know your stuff. The only quirk I noticed is that Johnny Greenwood is the guitar player for Radiohead. That's pretty minor, though.
I personally loved this movie, and I can definitely tell you guys liked it too.
Ghoulunatix 3 years ago
you damn geezers!
Johnny Greenwood is a composer as well as the lead-GUITARIST of Radiohead...and he's not that avante garde, some of the songs he recorded years ago for another movie score called "bodysong" (the scene where the derrick blows up for example)
I think you guys are a little bit out of touch. Plainview was somewhat sympathetic and there was a cheer in the theatre when Plainview bonked Eli on the head.
icefox98 3 years ago
He trys to kill Henry not his father with the fire.He knows hes a phoney but cant voice it,then comes the fire.
MIKEPRESL 3 years ago 2
I think that Daniel is gay. It would explain a lot. Also, what do you think "bastard from a basket" means? Is it refering to a basket orphan?
Ipetratz 3 years ago
Just FYI, Jonny Greenwood is not the lead singer of Radiohead. He's the lead guitarist. Thom Yorke is the lead singer. Just thought you might like to know.
emulsiondown 3 years ago
im glad he didnt change it would have
TheShadowNebula 3 years ago
1st, I love you guys, but you missed a few things:
1. Daniel really does love HW, but later feels betrayed by him
2. Like HW, Daniel too is an orphan, abandoned by his mother who died in child birth and a dad who marries another woman and fathers another son
3. HW tries to kill Henry (not Daniel) b/c he knows Henry's a phony, HW tries to warn his dad, but can't b/c he's unable to properly communicate this
4. Daniel IS a sympathetic character throughout
5. I agree this is a movie about family
vronica03 3 years ago
You are absolutle right on #3.Good job!
MIKEPRESL 3 years ago
I think it's left open to debate if he loved the boy or not. It's arguable that he was incapable of love and was more concerned with loyalty. He was guilty about his own disloyalty when he sent the boy away and became enraged when the boy decides to strike out on his own, because he sees that as disloyalty as well.
ProudAnselmo 3 years ago
The trouble is that loyalty thematically does not work with the whole film. The common thread in the film is family--fathers, sons, brothers, mothers. it's a movie about BLOOD (hence the title)...Daniel, I believe, loves HW but denies that instinct because he's never known the love of a mother and father himself, and HW is not biologically his
Everyone Daniel has known through blood relations has betrayed him. So he is wary of loving others. But HW squeaked into a few vulnerable crevices.
vronica03 3 years ago
See? I told you it was arguable.
ProudAnselmo 3 years ago
I think he did love him. You can't raise a young child to adulthood and not deep down inside. The scene where HW leaves and Daniel sits on the stairs with a look of concentration and has flash backs of HW as a child, that is proof enough within the movie that he did love him, he just loved money and "oil" more.
heatmiser86 3 years ago
That may be true for you or me, but that doesn't mean it's true for Daniel Plainview. I think his character's humanity was in question throughout the film. Lots of people raise children and don't love them. They are called sociopaths and his behavior throughout the film fits the bill. That's what I meant by "incapable of love.
ProudAnselmo 3 years ago
To me, it wasn't just about loyalty. He didn't "need" a business partner when he took in the man he thought was his brother...the conversations with that man actually showed Daniel open up and feel comfortable and be generous and genuine, until he found out he was being deceived.
joshdesk 3 years ago
How does taking in someone who he thinks is his brother show he's not concerned with loyalty? If anything, that strengthens my point. It wasn't about love, he did what he thought a loyal brother would do.
The fact that he killed him so easily showed his true nature; disconnected from humanity. Incapable of real relationships.
ProudAnselmo 3 years ago
great review. good balance between being informative/helpful and intelligent discussion. i'm subscribing!
tuttidog 3 years ago
You guys rock!!!! Would you please be my adoptive grand parents!! haha Thanks for posting!
wrnchhead76 3 years ago
Boogy Nights came first
Nextdirector123 3 years ago
no. Boogie Nights came second. His first film, known as 'Sydney' or 'Hard Eight', starred, among others, John C. Reilly, Samuel L Jackson, and that one from Seven who looses her head. Nobody went to see it though. including myself.
roryphelan 3 years ago
These are the coolest old people ever! :)
and at that a great duo, very different viewpoints and excellent reviewing. And funny.
kayakmac08 3 years ago
Not to be a complete dork, but "Oil!" isn't literally narrated by the son, but is told in limited omniscient from his point of view. (Okay, so I'm a complete dork)
katotheother 3 years ago
and he drinks milk shakes, he drinks them up!
mikemoair 3 years ago 2
Not just milkshakes.
YOUR MILKSHAKE.
ooberpwnage 3 years ago
I agree with Marcia about Boogie Nights.
Goldhelmriel 3 years ago
I think he loved his son about as much as a self-centered psycho could, however, his entire motivation for even adopting the child was to use him to melt the hearts of his would-be victims. Great film.
Goldhelmriel 3 years ago
I read in an interview that the final scene in the movie when he kills Eli (which many said was unnecessary for the film) represented the capitalist always winning over religion.
Maxnned 3 years ago
the movie ended the way it did to open up the obvious need for a sequel. the son/orphan went on to do his own oil driling, and don't forget about paul with his wells, maybe will seek revenge for killing his brother.
youebutr1 3 years ago
No sequel, I predict, it ends like that because it hints at the coming oil conflict.
OzymandiasD 3 years ago 3
Works of art don't have sequels.
LoveMeSomeComedy 3 years ago 2
the godfather had sequels..
strangola1234 3 years ago
Touche. But I think that was a planned thing, whereas in this case a sequel would be just one of those that was shelled out for the money.
LoveMeSomeComedy 3 years ago
good review except how can you say its either a brillint movie or a fraud
soccerboysteve78 3 years ago
Of course Daniel loved his son. He wanted to love but he could not.
GrampawUniverse 3 years ago
i belive that daniel actually loved his son
and even though he lashed out at him at the end, i dont think that meant he didnt love him, he was just angry, and said something that he would probably forget later on.
Atomicpunks22 3 years ago
right he loved him the whole time but when HW said he wanted to leave Daniel was offended so he said somethings he probably regreted
sta1emate 3 years ago
Johnny Greenwood, the artist from Radiohead who made the music, is NOT the lead singer of Radiohead!! Thom Yorke is.
fargoisgr8movie 3 years ago 2
These guys dont know much
Jadabh2 3 years ago
Two things. a) was the music composed by the lead singer or the guitar player of Radiohead?
b) Upton Sinclair used to live in my hometown. woot.
peanut18544 3 years ago
Guitar player. Johnny Greenwood.
onehundreddollars 3 years ago
Nice!
drawbar888 3 years ago
5:52...
hahaha!
analfrost 3 years ago 2
Great Review!!! very insightful.
MyUTubeUSRNME 3 years ago
h.w. didnt set the fire to try to kill daniel, he was trying to kill henry because he figured out that henry was a fraud.
err2005 3 years ago 11
That's what I got from it too. He spent time reading over the diary, and that night the event happened. I didn't read the book, but I also thought that H.W., after his traumatic experience had seen Daniel pulling away, the both no longer able to communicate after they had been so close. He may have seen Henry as someone to replace him, which Henry did. A book usually explains things much better.
rustyquoin 3 years ago
@err2005 That's a interesting insight. Could you go into it a little more for me.
MrDurcon 1 year ago
@err2005 Don't lie you cheated and Wiki it. I did too. I didn't get it at first.. If you did actually get it on your own. Touche. I knew he wasn't trying to kill Daniel but I didn't understand why he did that.
CobainLennon8094 6 months ago
"He makes movies about family relationships..."
"I DONT BELIEVE THAT!"
Hahahhaha nice guys keep doing this
montejack 3 years ago 2
I don't think these guys are particularly insightful. They are pretty off with a lot of their analysis, but i respect their opinions anyway.
ElBonPistachio 3 years ago
I've watched a couple of the geezer's reviews and they review a movie as well as anybody I've seen.
Minnexyz 3 years ago
THERE WILL BE BLOOD was amazing. WONDERFUL MOVIE. Watch it. Brilliant performance. Daniel Day Lewis is a vastly different character here than ever before!!
Spooly 3 years ago 3
i thought the movie was kinda boring, but for some reason i want to see it again... weird.
ismokereefer 3 years ago 2
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it was the most boring movie.... can't imagine what the book is like...
birebire 3 years ago
If you find it boring, then I'm sorry, but... you have no brain for movies.
zaorulesmetal 3 years ago 9
oh no, don't get me wrong, i love movies of all sorts. I did just watch it the night before i posted the last comment, so i probably over exagerated how poor the film was. The acting was great, the cinematography was great. The only thing I didn't like was the story. I built up pretty good like something was gonna happen, and then it just didn't. There wasn't really a climax. They should taken poetic license and made the story go somewhere. That's all. I won't read the book.
birebire 3 years ago
The climax was Plainview's killing of the preacher. It was his full descent into madness. It was his conversation with his son. I thank God that this film is not a pattern follower.
zaorulesmetal 3 years ago 3
But drama IS a pattern! Drama should not imitate reality. Drama is only entertainment. And for it to be good drama, it must be dramatic, which is something that I thought the film lacked. The audience is forced to create the drama for themselves, based on events. I think, like "birebire", the film failed to do what good drama must: reflect reality enough so that the audience is able to relate to the story, but not to IMITATE reality; if drama was exactly like reality, it would not entertain us.
rubberducky113 3 years ago
You're right, but I just love the way the movie played out. I didn't create the drama for myself. I prefer realism over melodrama. This isn't 1950s Hollywood. I think that movies and drama change and evolve, or at least should. I love movies like "American Psycho" and this movie.
zaorulesmetal 3 years ago
Trust me, I detest melodrama, but what I meant when I said "the audience is forced to create the drama for themselves" is not that the emotions of characters are not presented, but that I didn't think that there isn't any real conflict at the end. The only conflict that real existed was the Daniel vs. Eli showdown, but the conflict didn't reflect a more general idea of Plainview's character; we already know how menancing he is. In fact, i thought Day-Lewis' performance was a little melodramatic.
rubberducky113 3 years ago
I kept thinking the music was going to give me a hard attack!
leoraac 3 years ago
I love these two!!
Medication102 3 years ago 3
insightful i enjoyed the review.
boomhauer78 3 years ago 3
its next to impossible to meet a guy like DDLewis portrais in real life but some of us did so i think this movie is just close to being as true as it possible
arjdsm 3 years ago
This is a great series. Watching old people talk about pretty much anything is entertainment altogether.
pacificvibe 3 years ago 4
Just a heads up, "Oil!" was written by Upton Sinclair not Sinclair Lewis.
foda23 3 years ago
Watch their full review. They pointed that out themselves 5 seconds after the slip of Sinclair Lewis.
Spooly 3 years ago
I wish they would get their facts straight before reviewing. Greenwood is not the lead singer of Radiohead... I don't think HW was trying to set his father on fire (this was pre-"abandoning")-- he saw something in the "brother" that didn't quite fit and tried to eliminate him from their lives. Even if you don't accept that theory, you can also say HW was threatened by the fact that the "brother" could possible take his place.
cromwellian13 3 years ago
2:32
mrp92a 3 years ago
Yep!
sawmonkey 3 years ago
Brilliant! This is one of the best webseries!! Congradulations!
brandybora2000 3 years ago
ok, i'm corny, but I wish this old fella was my grandfather.
wasteland70 3 years ago
I have to agree with Lorenzo about this movie especially the fact that Daniel Day Lewis very obsessed with his role it is almost scary to watch especially at the end where lose himself completely.
drcoxcentral 3 years ago 2
Marcia was partially correct about Doheny being one of the influences for a character in the movie. It was actually Daniel Day Lewis' character Daniel whom was inspired by this real life historical figure.
OceanbornAngel 3 years ago
Anderson has said himself that all his movies come down to family.
justsumdude899 3 years ago
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This movie looks and sounds astonishingly dull.
Whenever people gush about a movie and it wins all these awards , it's usually shit.
I loved Boogie Nights , though. That movie was fucking ace.
kelsmart 3 years ago
I think the only movie villain that is on par with Javier Bardem's character is Dennis Hopper's Frank Booth in Blue Velvet.
noonthat 3 years ago
i remembered half way through that it was Jonny Greenwood(fukin genius) and couldn't ignore the music from then on. I liked the film a lot but it pisses me off that slow thoughtfull films are only credited when they are big budget American films when there are many foreign films just as good, they miss that the point of the Lewis charicter slowly disappoints you more and more through the film so you are as a viewer you are like the son. Love films where they don't talk for the first 30 mins
keflar5 3 years ago
Yeah dude, right after I got done seeing it I downloaded the soundtrack right away. It's terribly intriguing music.
happyjack229 3 years ago
I opt for the gorgeous naked girls explanation...
Miryr 3 years ago
The geezers said the score was done by the lead singer of radiohead, and that is incorrect. Thom York is the lead singer; Jonny Greenwood is the lead guitarist, and he produced the score for the film.
wolfeman6805 3 years ago
just one thing i wanted to say, i think daniel loved HW. the side of daniel that insulted HW wasn't really daniel's true self. he was driven to distraction by the fact that the boy was betraying him, and we know that daniel has a really volatile personality which makes it rational that he would do that.
banjodeluxe 3 years ago
daniel was a villain and that was his true self there was no good in him and any sort of good he showed was used to fulfill his greed
matt141989 3 years ago
I think he actually liked the boy but when he goes deaph he loses interest
Miryr 3 years ago
I've said it once i'll say it again these two old people are fools. H.W. doesen't try to set Daniel on fire he tried to set his phoney brother on fire. Although it was interesting that he praised RadioHead.
RaoulDuKe313 3 years ago
the plot of this movie, if cut down is actually alot like Sweenie Todd directed by Tim Bourtin. the movie starts with the main charactor "sweenie" as a very nice family man small person barber with a small newborn child and a loving wife who gets stolen from him by an evil judge. this turns sweenie into an evil and twisted man who kills innocent people. the move was over done, to much gore, very depressing, but beautifly done visually.
xmcrxromancexx 3 years ago
Incorrect he is digging for silver when he accindently stumbles upon oil. Plainview is a sympathetic character and I found my self loathing Eli Sunday.
Wjrchadwick 3 years ago
i believe that he tries to set "Henry" on fire because he discovers that he isn't really his brother... Plainview love HW wholeheartedly, but he break his own heart with his cruel personality
therevEJW 3 years ago
Right about setting Henry on fire because he learned that he was a pretender. These 'geezers' are not attentive enough.
recidivists 3 years ago
I disagree with the thoughts on Plainview never loving H.W, I think he did very much. Such as when he runs out to find D.W when the oil erupts from the ground. Plainview can't handle H.W's sickness at all, which is were his trouble starts. In the end of the film, you can see that as the phrase 'bastard from a basket' he hooks onto it, and repeats it over and over to devasting effect, because I believe Plainview is actually hurt at this lost, and the only way he can protect himself is to hurt HW.
MarkTeePee 3 years ago
I agree with Lorenzo that the film is highly flawed. I think Paul Anderson tried to depoliticize "There Will Be Blood" as much as possible and the film suffers as a consequence. I don't think it's about capitalism and religion as much as it is about two shallow "crazy" characters pretending to be deep. The films lacks all of the complexity of the novel. "Hard Eight" & "Boogie Nights" are much better films & I think "Boogie Nights" is both about atypical type of family AND beautiful girls.
Xenu 3 years ago
Xenu WOULD dislike this fantastic movie.
omgwtfwhoami 3 years ago
Plainview and Eli just had WAY too many BTs left unaudited for me to take them seriously. Heh heh heh. -- I did like the first 45 minutes but it's just too intellectually shallow for my taste, especially considering the source material.
Xenu 3 years ago
Holy shit, u compared Radiohead to Philip Glass..I never knew anyone else who listens to Philip Glass besides me and my one friend who are fans of particularly fucking weird music
herschaft 3 years ago
I see this film as an allegory for capitalism which takes no sides. Industry vs mysticism, efficiency vs spirituality, profit vs prayer, secularism and ruthless capitalism against naivity and the old world.
I like the way it takes neither side.
Loved it when he smacks the religious kid about though.. aha..
tomsega 3 years ago
This guy loves Boogie Nights but doesn't think it's about family? Whaaaat? That's the major theme of it: Family! It's like thinking There Will Be Blood's theme has nothing to do with greed.
Freepablo 3 years ago
plainview's son doesnt try to set him on fire, he try's to set his fake brother on fire. and i would disagree with the man, i forget his name, but anderson doesn almost almost always have family as a theme in his films, and it is certainly a theme in boogie nights. It's definitely not just about naked chicks, which there arent that many anyway.
johnnondrowsyd 3 years ago
Wrong person to mention from Radiohead but props for at least saying the score was great. Reel Geezers, you are awesome.
MehTube 3 years ago
You guys are one of the best movie reviewers on youtube! Great work!
ElmoWillDie 3 years ago
these must be the only old people i know who can use youtube!
EdMajinLee199999 3 years ago
dont forget geretic!
codykingo 3 years ago
each review i've watched of these 2 they get things wrong from the films in terms of what they think scenes meant... no country and TWBB, so i don't care to watch anymore heh
SpringSauce23 3 years ago
Maybe the boy set the fire because he didn't trust the fake brother.
omgwtfwhoami 3 years ago
People keep saying that, but I really thought he was frustrated by his lack of communication with his father and was lashing out at him.
bryonpav 3 years ago
Yeah that's most likely what made him act out. It was misleading how the fire went right to the dude.
omgwtfwhoami 3 years ago
Greenwood, not Yorke, was responsible for the music.
JuicestainMedia 3 years ago
The lead singer from Radiohead had nothing to do with the music of this movie it was the guitarist. I'm sure it's been said already but I didn't feel like checking 107 comments.
CrazyJustin2006 3 years ago
Nice Philip Glass + Fredo reference. I've been checking out your various reviews and although this personally is my new favorite film, even ahead of Felinni's 8 1/2, I feel as though you have contributed a fantastic review and video.
MoonlinerPictures 3 years ago
These two are hilarious together!
toddmg 3 years ago
The music was composed by Jonny Greenwood, the guitarist of Radiohead.
SEWERJACK 3 years ago
No, he didn't love the boy. He used the boy, and he throws him out when he feels threatened by him. That's not love. I can't believe how defensive some of you are over their opinions. Did you help produce the film? Did you help write or direct it? No, you didn't, you just watched it. So let people have their opinions and you can have yours. These guys know their stuff, and if you don't like it don't watch, don't tell them to shut their mouths though.
dablunt 3 years ago
Of course he loved him. It broke his heart when the boy lost his hearing and he didn't know how to cope with it.
gucker07 3 years ago
you are wrong. did you just see the ending where he says he didn't love him? he only says that to hurt him. if he didn't care for the boy, why would he tuck him in, cook for him, show affection. he was heartbroken and hurt when his son was hurt. you take things too literally. your personal life must suck if you can't read people and their emotions. lonely bastard.
RadicalNotion 3 years ago
Jesus man settle down. Did you forget the part where he puts him on a train alone and leaves him there? Thats not love. Sure he cared for the boy, like someone cares for a pet, but he used the boy to humanize him. Oh and did you notice he kept giving him whiskey? Even as a baby? Plainview was a monster, not capable of something like love. You can't just say someone can't read emotions if they disagree with you about a character, perhaps they saw something differently then you. So calm down.
dablunt 3 years ago
did you forget that he ordered him goat's milk. that he kept asking for goat's milk? know your history. it is was not uncommon for children to have whiskey then. it was believed to be medicinal. "sure he cared for the boy" is your quote. that is all i said. so stop backtracking and mellow out.
RadicalNotion 3 years ago
No you mellow out!
dablunt 3 years ago
he said as he shouted
RadicalNotion 3 years ago
GOD I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU!
dablunt 3 years ago
well I understand why you might think I am omnipotent, but I am not God. I created God.
RadicalNotion 3 years ago
oh your a clever one aren't you. Hey heres a 'radical notion' for you, why don't you go get the flu then chug down on some whiskey and goats milk, see if that makes you feel better!
dablunt 3 years ago
you're not your. but anyways...milk and goat's milk would not be good for a flu. I am not a licensed physician but I do have extensive medical knowledge. Hope your Saturday improves and you don't have to respond to me anymore.
RadicalNotion 3 years ago
Almost a licensed physician you say? Oh well at least you're a licensed asshole, that's not something everybody accomplishes. Well I hope you have a great Saturday friend, no harsh feelings. Keep studying that 19th Century Medicine textbook and go for the gold! good luck on the phd!
dablunt 3 years ago
i minored in history for your information with an emphasis on the old west. i actually consulted in shitty straight to video sequel of westworld. thanks for your support.
RadicalNotion 3 years ago
Wow, you guys both have overreacted. You're both fighting for the right to have your own opinion while completely putting down the other person's opinion. And the personal attacks... Really? Are you serious? Why call someone a "lonely bastard" with a personal life that "must suck" because of their opinion of a character in a movie (no matter how great the movie is)?
I agree that Daniel's love for H.W. is worthy of discussion. But it's not at all worthy of a fight! That's ridiculous!
lnelson 3 years ago
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you talk about overreactions..and putting people down...then call us ridiculous. if you meant what you said you wouldn't bother. don't throw stones from your house made of glass and hypocrisy you little faggot. fuck you!
RadicalNotion 3 years ago