Bad medicine 1/5 - The human cost of animal experiments

[lavi20111]

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[nwordplease]

Cruelty in any form is very evil. I firmly believe that God will punish the cruel. Why would any sane person choose to be cruel? It is, I believe, the mystery of iniquity. Normal human nature dictates when you see a baby, an animal or something fragile you think awww what a cutie! You want to hug it and be kind and soft. Medical schmedical!

[ListerStormz]

@Veganius uhuh, c'est vrai? Je pense que tu a besoin de beaucoup de étudier. C'est vrai que je suis un chimiste mais "la secte des scientifiques".... lol! C'est dommage que tu a pas l'intelligence de comprendres et que tu a peur de me reprondre en anglais.

Quelle connard!

[uching]

i would put the life and welfare of my cat above any human life.

i like and my cat more then i like most humans.

[vvillem9]

@uching lol, crazy cat lady

[uching]

@vvillem9 a crazy cat lady has dozens of cats and lives in filth and hoards out their property, i lived across the road from woman like that as a child and she continues to do it to this day.

i keep a very clean home and i have one cat who is vet cared for, flea free and vaccinated every year, who is spayed and won't breed endless kittens.

you are proof as to why i prefer my cats company most times over random human company, i stand by my earlier statement, and you need to grow up.

[quantitron]

At the 1:31 it s terrible.

[niemamskarpet]

@quantitron I agree... :(

[hummelundpanda]

Go vegan!

[MLTogether]

I just wanna take a Shotgun and kill these Motherfuckers.......

[TheSquirrelymel]

ive said it before and i'll say it again USE INMATES THAT KILLED PPL! they deserve to die anyway that way you can see if it works on humans thats what ur testing for any way human use of the drugs. kill those a**holes not the animals!!! stupid scientist

[conzor9898]

@TheSquirrelymel if I ever see you I promise, I will beat you up.

[MsDizzl3]

That is sick :/

[raventakayama]

Watched plenty of these videos recently. Well, sorry to voice my unpopular opinion here but surgical experimentation on animals is quite necessary. I did a review on paralysis and the use of cats to lay out the specifics of paralysis and cure it. So they paralyzed some cats and studied how the damage related to their physical response. Some of the cats even regained functionality later on but most did not. However what was learned there is being applied in medicine today. It is science people.

[ThePeixes03]

Malditos sejam estes humanos desgraçados que causam dor, sofrimento e humilhaçao aos animais. Deviam estudar era o cú da propria mae. Mas nao pensem que vao ficar impunes. Um dia, estejam certos disto, todos vao pagar. O sangue derramado de cada animal ha de clamar e cobrar por JUSTIÇA. Todos voces estao AMALDIÇOADOS. Todas as pragas do Egito estejam sobre todos voces.

[noratmedicine]

If you make a drug that's effective against HIV, sometimes it works against SIV and sometimes it doesn't. So that basically devalues SIV as an animal model for doing experiments involved with developing drugs…The slight problem (with using monkeys as an animal model for AIDS in humans) is the monkeys don't go on to develop AIDS, they don't get sick. Dr Paul Bieniasz of the Rockefeller University in New York. Quoted in Scientists make HIV that can infect monkeys, Reuters, 3/3/09

[raventakayama]

@noratmedicine In aids testing the sickness isn't being tested. Its the receptors on the T-cells that are being tested. The AIDS vaccine or potential AIDS vaccine (its not truly done yet) was derived from the idea that if we could forcefully remove specific receptor expression on the surface of CD4 cells the virus would be rendered dormant due to the inability to bind to such receptors. You can do this in vitro, but test tube experiments don't give the same results as living organisms.

[noratmedicine]

@raventakayama # 80 AIDS vaccines have failed in human trials following success in primates.

# Again, everything we know about HIV and AIDS has been learned by studying people, through epidemiology and in vitro research on human blood cells.

# In the French blood scandal in the 1980s, thousands of people contracted HIV through contaminated blood – given to patients because it was safe in chimps.

[raventakayama]

@noratmedicine Actually no. The things we know about aids is a compilation of info from many different sources. I don't understand why people don't understand that science is messy. Its not uniform, there's a lot of guess work. So-called scientific facts are dismissed as years go by and science text books change. That is the world of science. Its an experiment because we want to see what happens. The latest aids vaccine does its intended purpose we just don't know enough about it yet.

[noratmedicine]

@raventakayama So, the other 80 vaccines which worked in monkeys failed in humans but this one is good. I hope you are not absing that claim on monkey data. Unfortunately there are impediments to change, money and vested interests are 2 big ones. The call for evidence based medicine must be heeded

[raventakayama]

@noratmedicine Cont' Rubella, polio, smallpox, and many other vaccines were derived DIRECTLY from animals. All of these vaccines were cultivated in animals and tested on animals and they all work. There's a number of scientific discoveries derived from animal research. Anyone who thinks NOTHING good comes from animal research is living in a world of absolutes. Nothing is absolute especially in science. You cite papers against animal testing there's a number of papers that are pro-animal testing.

[noratmedicine]

@raventakayama Polio...""... prevention was long delayed by the erroneous conception of the nature of the human disease based on misleading experimental models of the disease in monkeys."

Sabin, Albert, MD statement before the subcommittee on Hospitals and Health Care, Committee on Veterans Affairs, House of Representatives, April 26, 1984 serial no. 98-48.

A 29 year delay in fact! Your claims rely on a fallacious form of argument knows as the post hoc fallacy. I'll resp. to others later

[raventakayama]

@norat This is how it works. 1. take virus denature its protein coat. 2. inject denatured virus into animal cells. 3. denatured virus replicates. 4. test attenuated virus on animals. 5. if tests on animals pass do clinical trials on HUMANS. 6. If human testing passes gain FDA approval. 7. Sell product. That's how most vaccines are made and tested. There was a delay on understanding human response to hypersensitivity reactions and humans were used in that research. Took 20+ years to understand it

[raventakayama]

@noratme How can anyone determine a scientific delay? Science is not absolute and no one could say "if we did it this way we would have gotten results faster". Science is experimental. No one knows how fast the results will come until the experiments are done. Claiming a delay in scientific discovery based upon pure speculation is unscientific. Plus you people misunderstand research. Animal antibodies have been used since the observation of cowpox stopping the spread of smallpox. It works period

[noratmedicine]

@raventakayama Science is absolute, predictive, projectable, reliable. Animal experimentation is none of these things because it is not science.

[raventakayama]

@norat What science is absolute? Name any field of science and I can show you the flaws. Astronomy, we mathematically figure that earth like planets exists. Been looking for 50 years haven't decisively found one yet. Human Anatomy, we just recently mapped the human Genome with a 99.9^10 accuracy. However, we still can't explain many genetic variations. Chemistry, this science is still in its era of discovery with new compounds being formulated constantly. Some of which we don't understand.

[noratmedicine]

@raventakayama There is a big difference between something which is not even correct 50% of the time and the fields you refer to here. No animal is predictive for humans even 50% of the time, that is a long way from being 'not absolute' and nothing can be done to make any species predictive for humans in the future

[raventakayama]

@noratmedicine LMAO Astronomy isn't correct 25% of the time. They are even rethinking the big bang theory, which was accepted as true for well over 50 years. The one thing you see in space that's all around you is dark matter. Its the most common material in all of space and scientist can't even begin to understand what it is or even prove that it's tangible. All science is incomplete. Science in itself is discovery. No form of discovery is absolute and animal research is the same way.

[conzor9898]

@raventakayama actually the most common thing in the universe is Dark energy. The big bang theory was always a theory, it was never proven to be true.

[conzor9898]

@raventakayama Earth like planets have been discovered

[raventakayama]

@conzor9898 You know until we actually visit these so called earth like planets they aren't really earth like. They are speculated to be earth like but they aren't proven to be so. Maybe earth like in size and relative location to a star, but that doesn't mean it has water, a similar climate and geology. So until that is known there's no proven earth like planets just speculated.

[conzor9898]

@raventakayama ahhh, good point ;)

[noratmedicine]

1983

The great majority of perinatal toxicological studies seem to be intended to convey medico-legal protection to the pharmaceutical houses and political protection to the official regulatory bodies, rather than produce information that might be of value in human therapeutics. Prof Hawkins, Drugs and Pregnancy: Human Teratogenesis and Related Problems, p 41-49 (publ. Churchill Livingstone). curedisease. net

[littlequeen64]

The people are being experimented on everyday with out permission.The whole Pharmaceutical genre.

[SonsoftheProphets]

I hate one-sided arugments

[rtc5196]

I LOVE TO SEE ANIMALS BEING TORTURED , THANKS U SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS ON YOU TUBE

[vgman94]

@rtc5196 Faggots like you should be raped and tortured by other inmates. If you have some sort of fetish for torture, then torture yourself, sick fuck.

[oliviamulgrew]

evil basteds i curse these people and wish them the same fate as they inflict on these living creatures mote it be

[oliviamulgrew]

man is evil

[bikerhustler]

Most animals are so loyal and would do anything for the nearest human. But the stupid, non-empathetic THICK human beings on this video just don't realise that non-human animals have emotions and feelings to, they CAN be scarred, they CAN be tormented and they CAN suffer.

[SirSirRobin]

@vleon1012 Are you suggesting that eating meat altogether is immoral, or that the manner in which major food corporations manufacture meat is immoral?

[flyingcobra18]

this is horrible

[samroxmisox]

This video is biased and poorly done.

The narrator totally takes the side of anti-animal research, and rarely does he give any light to the side of the supporters.

[SleepySkeptic]

The side of the supporters is this: the ends justify the means. That's it. Of course it's biased, because the alternative doesn't deserve to be considered in an ethical society.

[noratmedicine]

@samroxmisox What side? The US National Cancer Institute also undertook a 25 year screening programme, testing 40,000 plant species on animals for anti-tumour activity. Out of the outrageously expensive research, many positive results surfaced in animal models, but not a single benefit emerged for humans. As a result, the NCI now uses human cancer cells for cytotoxic screening. Handbook of Laboratory Animal Science, Volume II Animal Models Svendensen and Hau (Eds.) CRC Press 1994 p4

[Tikaany]

That's why dogs are used the most in experiments. They trust the people and those people treat them terribly in return. Humans are betraying that friendship. God I'm such an animal lover. :P

[Tikaany]

I felt so sick to my stomach when I found out the medicine I was taking for anxiety cost the lives of so many animals. There's no excuse for humans to do that to animals. I understand people's need to pursue new medicines and procedures but they should be giving the animals the fullest comfort that they can but NOT do extreme and bizarre experiments like setting a beagle on fire!

"Well...we wanted to see if our new lotion was fire proof."

Assholes. And we betray dogs too!

[SleepySkeptic]

As long as animal experimentation is accepted, it will never stop. There will always be new diseases. In ten thousand years, nothing will have changed. Which is why activists are now operating outside the law to stop them.

[clk211bu]

thankyou for sharing

[SpamAnn]

Animal testing has to stop. All people reading this: BEFORE YOU BUY anything, make sure it is not tested on animals, look up the brands online. Some examples "l'oreal, gilette, dove, niveau, max factor, maybelline, covergirl..."

[mariacoppola91]

mamma mia non riesco a credere che esista questa gente...poveri piccoli,nemmeno un po di pietà hanno per loro...dovete morire brutti bastardi....

[Pernest63]

ListerStorm: "eating meat is part of a healthy lifestyle"??? Are you out of your mind? Did your meat eating ways totally clog up the blood from going to your brain??? That is the single dumbest comment ever on YouTube (and that's saying a lot). If humans were meant to eat meat they would have canine-like teeth. Those long fangs....how can you eat meat, anyway, with your head up your ass like that?

[ListerStorm666]

Also PETA is evil, just saying. I mean fighting for the end of animal testing and animal cruelty is onething, but harrassing and setting insendiary devices in the houses of the employees of these places is so far beyond what PETA should be doing. As for PETA caring for animals... why is it that they do not have the support from the RSPCA or other respected organisations?

[ListerStorm666]

I'm completely against testing on animals. I do believe it is a cruel method of experimentation. But this video is really biased and full of misinformation and 'false facts'. I was surprised to see a butchers shop arrive along side a cigarette butt when the narrator said "unhealthy lifestyles'. I'm sorry but eating pork and the slow torture of animals are very different. Eating meat is part of a healthy lifestyle... and this "documentary" is simply propoganda.

[SleepySkeptic]

Nope, eating meat as the main course of every meal is not healthy nor sustainable on a worldwide basis. If you eat TINY portions of meat, it is POSSIBLE to be part of a balanced diet. But a vegetarian diet is proven healthier for the vast majority of humans.

[noratmedicine]

@ListerStorm666 Do you have evidence to support your claims? eg...According to the US FDA 92% of new drugs fail in clinical trials, after they have passed all the safety tests in animals. US FDA (2004) "Innovation or Stagnation, Challenge and Opportunity on the Critical Path to new Medical Products" curedisease. net

[jihadforsatan]

@ListerStorm666 eating meat is healthy? man youve been sold! go get the facts pls, and save yourself

[n3kas]

@ListerStorm666 that is another form of cruelty. Expand your horizons. Saying that is better to kill someone with a gun instead of a knife doesn't make you Mr. Merciful. "Is bad to turture, is right to kill. To kill for food because for enjoyment no way. Well maybe bullfighting is a nice show." Open your mind. Evolving should be in the direction of peace, we humans are making it the opposite way because is just the easy and tastefull (sick) one.

[plustheMIC]

@ListerStorm666

To an extent (If we are talking lean organic proteins then yes). I cut all forms of meat out of my diet after learning I was at risk for heart disease and my cholesterol dropped drastically. I used to be on the same train of thought that meat was "essential" but I can tell you it really isn't. I weigh about 215 pounds, weight train. participate in martial arts havent touched an animal product in over 5 years.

[mzcyberbat]

I thought they stopped all these types of tests years ago! How awful.

[craig1377]

I hope this comes to a stop NOW, I hate the people who do these cruel thing's to DEFENSLESS animals sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooo much.

[mykiki123456]

this is the far worst video i have seen how awful it is to use innocent animals for testing i wish i could wish all the evil away they will reap what they sow

[mzcyberbat]

go to the PETA website and look at the fur trade videos. THAT is the worst vid ever.

I sometimes wonder at the general humanity of some scientists. I work in the science field but would never, EVER work in that department. :(

[16zemager00]

Doctors who speak out in favour of vivisection do not deserve any recognition in society, all the more so since their brutality is apparent not only during such experiments, but also in their practical medical lives. They are mostly men who stop at nothing in order to satisfy their ruthless and unfeeling lust for honours and gain. -- Dr. med. Hugo Knecht --

[Veganius]

Really the vivisectionists are more interested in their stock options, they are cold, cruel and very conceited people, the patients do not interest them.

[DavinaFaerie]

@16zemager00 Your comment was awesome! & many people agree 100% with what u have said... :0)