Neil kinnocks working class respect for women, stopped him from truly going for the Jugular with her.. Wish That Healey would have been the leader and then she would have been , please excuse the language, pissing her pants at the dispatch box!
Mrs Thatcher never knew that Neil Kinnock would be the classic 'socialist' European Unionist traitor politician making £millions from our taxes via the hopelesly corrupt and criminal led European Union project. Thanks to Thatcher, Heath and various other Tory dimwits selling our country down the river to EEC membership we're now well embroiled with the scumbag led European Union project that the EEC has now become. Shame on them all !!!!!
Arrogant cunt Thatcher ; you weren't saying this in November 1990 when you were out on the doorstep leaving and crying like a pussy !. When Thatcher dies I'm going to throw a week long party, Lol
@TheKenfig She had right to be arrogant - Neil Kinnock was a laughing stock. She left Downing Street in 1990 with the knowledge that, thanks to her, Britain was a better place than it was in 1979. Thatcher is the only PM to be honoured with a statue in the House of Commons whilst still alive - a testament to her legacy. No socialist PM can ever rightfully be as proud of themselves as she can.
@OfMiceandTransmen No one has the right to be arrogant as a public servant. It is what the entire population thinks of her that counts, not what she thinks of herself. Who gives a shit about a statue put up by some elitists ?. Who are you to say that no socialist PM be rightfully proud of themselves as she is ?. You've not been a PM and you're a Thatcherite so you would say that
@TheKenfig Because no socialist PM has ever done as much good as Thatcher did - that's why. Thatcher raised the living standards of both the rich and poor, which is something the socialist has never achieved.
@OfMiceandTransmen Rubbish, I remember unemployment being higher than it is now with her ; it was over 3 million. Then she destroyed the miners and their proud communities built on years of blood,sweat and tears, made the war in the Falklands through being arrogant and ignoring defence advice THEN having the cheek to capitalise on the propaganda of war and win a second election. Then she brought civil unrest with the outrageous poll tax and even her party thought her a liability. Tyrant despot
@TheKenfig She made a lot of unpopular, but necessary decisions. She destroyed the miners because she HAD TO. They and the trade unions were causing civil unrest with their constant strikes, and thus had to be sorted out. She focused on tackling inflation at the expense of full employment, but the end result was that the GDP increased for all. As for the poll tax, that was scrapped when she realised how strongly everyone felt about it.
@OfMiceandTransmen Tory Sun propaganda used to brainwash susceptible people into believing it. Supporters of Hitler said groups needed 'sorting out' if I remember. Inflation ?.Glib excuse : inflation was always transient and under Thatcher it was 18% in 1980 after it had been down to 8% in 1978 ; AND it increased 1984 / 85 after falling temporarily and went up again steadily to almost 10% by 1990 ; all of which are far higher than it has been this last 10 years.She scrapped PT cos she was scared
@OfMiceandTransmen You wrote: "As for the poll tax, that was scrapped when she realised how strongly everyone felt about it". You need to read up on your history. The poll tax was still in place when she left office and wasn't scrapped until April 1991 largely at the insistence of Michael Heseltine and the Council Tax was brought in. Thatcher left office still stubbornly clinging to the poll tax - it was one of the reasons for her demise.
If socialism worked, it would be great; but it doesn't, and I'm a practical person so I vote Tory.
Labour believe that a utopia of equality can exist and subsequently their trademark policies are geared toward reducing inequality. While admirable from a narrow theoretical point of view, there is a great deal of natural inequality which is, in fact, equitable.
This leads me to my point: most arguments I hear about equality fail to consider the crucial factor that is equity.
@LFCzeppelin8 I agree that socialism hasn't worked so far, but not because of the argument you've put forward. Some greedy, self-centred socialists ruin socialism and some greedy, self-centred communists ruin communism but what is it that ruins capitalism? The very naivety of it, they believe that the free market will take care of employment, but to put it plainly in hard times private companies are not going to hire more workers in a culture of cuts. There is more naivety too.
@TheJmax1998 I think you missed my point: if there was a perfect system, there would be no politics. I just think there are better systems than socialism and better systems than those which are put forward by Labour.
So because capitalism doesn't provide jobs, the state should? I don't see any reason for that - it's also unsustainable if pursued (the consequences of which we are now seeing).
I'm not saying capitalism doesn't have shortcomings. But it's the "least worst" system (stolen quote)
@LFCzeppelin8 - the reason that benevolent Capitalism came about through philanthopic actions which was soon followed by State Philanthropy (Socialism) was due to "fear of the mob". The "mob" consisted of those left behind by Capitalism who lived in squalor, slums and poverty breeding crime and discontent directed towards the winners of the system. Unaddressed this leads to an extremely divided society which is deemed uncivilised. Yes, we still have that but without Socialism it'd be worse.
@LFCzeppelin8 I would disagree with that, if there was perfect socialism there would still be people arguing for a free market, and thus, still politics. Moreover, Labour, in its current form, is not a socialist party, a mistake that is made by so many these days. You would see the reason for state intervention in the jobs market, if a private company had laid you off and you joined a dole queue of 4 million under an obtusely capitalist Government.
@LFCzeppelin8 The only consequences we are seeing, is of a banking system allowed to lend what it wants, that indeed, an unregulated system, is a capitalist idea, it matters not that Labour, a supposedly socialist party implemented the system.
@LFCzeppelin8 - I vote Tory too due to the principles of personal responsibility and independence being the foundations of freedom. Socialism can encourage dependency.
But the Social Democracy that exists in Scandinavian using the Nordic Economic Model (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland an Finland) has led to some of the world's highest living standards. It doesn't appear to stifle business (look at the successful major international companies of SAAB, Ericsson, IKEA, Nokia, Electrolux, LEGO)
@Enerjee I don't believe the causality you're implying - that social democracy caused strong businesses. Just because 2 things occur together doesn't mean that they are causally related..
@LFCzeppelin8 - maybe not, but you can't escape the fact that Nordic Model economics has delivered extremely high living standards for those countries. They have private wealthcreating industries, relatively high taxes and perhaps the most comprehensive welfare systems in the world. The high tax policies don't appear to stifle capitalist entrepeneurialism.
In Norway's case you could argue that North Sea oil has paid for a lot of it, because it was largely nationalised. Sweden etc though?
@setabretsam - you're right there mate, I do ! But, as your name suggests, it takes one to know one and it would appear that you like to use the "back hand".
Margaret Thatcher was a very significant leader. However she was also very lucky in her opponents. The bottom line is Neil Kinnock and indeed Michael Foot were just not up to the job of being Prime Minister. Had Thatcher faced someone like Healey or Harold Wilson in his prime she would have come off worse. Mrs Thatcher never faced a Labour leader who could match her at the despatch box or in the country. Her significance is undermined by the quality of her opponents whilst PM.
I'm more to the left on the spectrum but she was magnificent! I'm sure if I was British I'd be using some more choice adjectives to describe her, but she yanked the UK off the path of statist stagnation and put it onto a path of economic prosperity that helps pay for things like the NHS still today.
@shmoker2010 - you say you're "more to the left on the spectrum", yet you then go on to praise Thatcher's right wing Adam Smith approach to economics. Are you sure you're still more to the left or are you deluding yourself?
@TheJmax1998 - many of her speeches were class acts. Many people didn't like her, but they did respect her because she set out a vision and aimed for it ruthlessly. She knew she could only please some of the people some of the time.
As with anyone who has power for too long they become dictatorial and feel superior and invincible (elected or not). That's what happened to her. The Tory MPs who eventually ousted her will tell you that by 1989 she didn't listen to cabinet and was a dictator.
Wow, are dupes here really pining for the unrepentant communists of Old Labour? not that "Nulabour" has been much better, but at least they ditch the communism.
arrogant, nasty humor..if you can call it humor. What happened to her again? Wasn't she disposed of by all those wets sat next to her on the platform? Why was that again?
@mellowNdark Greed is human nature. And it is what makes the world go round. And it is dam good to have an element of greed. It is not the governments job to impose fairness in such a way that is theft (socialism,) that is the ultimate moral wrongdoing.
Even listening to her makes me angry. I look at her and I can't help but think of how she drove Britain into the ground - drove millions of families into poverty just because of a vendetta against communism. She promoted a morally corrupt system of treading on your fellow man to get yourself to the top. And if you people hate socialism then feel free to stop using the free healthcare afforded by it and all of our free public schools.
@HyakuShiki1993 Hey old buddy old pal listen :- Look at the growth of the economy after her reforms, the tax rates for working class familes, the increase in home ownership etc etc. Now FREE HEALTHCARE AND FREE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, hey THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO MONEY OF ITS OWN IT COMES FROM EVERYONE WHO PAYS TAXES!!!!!!!! given your name you would be 17 or maybe 18????? Please read about pre 1979 in every aspect then contrast it with 1990 Thatcher didn't get everything right, but she was a great PM.
@paulieeee: Why are you watching videos like this then? Go and watch some Labour propaganda instead. It's masochism to watch videos you don't like, jut to comment that you hate what they present.
Intelligence. Its hits you between the eyes. And not only that but savage truth. She was always a fighter but when your talking from the heart and the brain you don't even know how amazing you are. She top of my list of real women. Thank you Maggie.
@LORDMCHUGH You must have forgotten the 1983 election when the Torries had a majority of 144 seats and a vote share of 42% to Labour`s 27%. Bit of a landslide really just like the 1997 election
@cookerldc Very similar indeed... the 1997 election had the lowest ever turnout for an election! No one wanted labour, they were just sick of John Major. You fool.
@JONATHANJARRETT95 Maybe that's why Labour got the largest landslide... ever? (in the last 100 years, at least). No, you're getting the facts wrong. Blair appealed to everyone because he was a dashing young politicians that women liked. Unfortunately, that's how stupid the public is. That's ultimately why Brown lost the general election this year.
@mellowNdark: People are biologically determined to be selfish. It is no invention of any government, not to mention one particular politician. People are always selfish, even when they sacrifice for others, because when they do it, they do it only because it pleases them. People who happen to be altruists are altruist for they possess altruistic genes and perhaps they even received altruistic education from their parents, which reinforced their natural tendencies.
I hope she dies screaming in agony with cancer and then the millions of people she fucked over and lives she destroyed can queue up and piss on her grave.
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE THE MOTHER OF A 1000 DEAD?
@Vanoccupanther comments like that show how great she was.,,.. and how little bitter people like u are very very small indeed. if u really feel the need to piss on her grave... by all means go for it. she still won. her policys live on. u and your kind are wrong... and remember this... no one would ever want to piss on your grave. u r nothing
@thatcheritescot She was a murdering bitch who had no feelings. Come and tell the miners of south wales your thoughts, go on come down here and you'll go back home in a fucking box.
"From taking the milk out of childrens mouth, sending our kids to a worthless war in the Falklands to murder another countries kids,... decimating the mining industry, killing our national health service, making millions unemployed with no hope of a future." That's hardly a balanced or fair view.
As for death threats - get real. In the words of Bill Maher: "You can't bring that sh*t to the big city.."
@tdp1909 She ruined my country (Wales) and the communities within. The effects of it are still there to see. People killed themselves as they lost everything because of her, there was no future - she destroyed that.
She was also 'buddies' with that other war criminal Ronald Raygun who she gladly accepted to put his missiles on british soil making the whole of the UK an even nuclear bigger target. A cruise missile is the closest she'll ever get to having a penis just like every other man.
@Vanoccupanther I don't think she 'ruined' bits of the country deliberately - that was just the way the cookie crumbled. As far as the miner's go, that was Scargill's Marxist idiocy just as much as her rigidity, along with 50 years of economic featherbedding.
Besides even Wales is better off now thanks to her market reforms...
@thatcheritescot not bitter BETTER and no one would piss on my grave because I am not a murderer or a liar or a thief - Thatcher was. From taking the milk out of childrens mouth, sending our kids to a worthless war in the Falklands to murder another countries kids, sinking the Belgrano in cold blood, decimating the mining industry, killing our national health service, making millions unemployed with no hope of a future.
@thatcheritescot socialist policies still live on, conservative policies live on, many policies live on but that doesnt make it right. Thatcher destroyed the lives of thousands, maybe millions. Just because it wasnt bad for you, doesnt mean it wasnt the worst time ever for others.
@binstig: She didn't destroy anything, she just set the market free. If socialists were longer in power, then the people who were made unemployed during the thatcherism time would become unemployed anyway, because socialistic policies are unsustainable, sooner or later the country falls into a huge debt and it has horrendous consequences for the whole nation. This is exactly when we happen to be now. We just have to wait for the proper ramifications of our current debt.
@ToaJoe: Really? I thought the history of USSR or the current situation in Cuba or the problems that France and other greatly indebted countries now face, should give a lesson to all fanatical supporters of socialism. I guess I was too naive to believe that rational arguments and facts can speak to them. (Btw, I'm not a conservative.)
@asmodeus585 You're such a fucking fool. Using the USSR as an example for why you think Labour sucks is like me comparing the Tories with the Nazi party. Grow up.
@ToaJoe: So nice of you to be vulgar. ;) I may be a fool, but I'm not sure about you being a genius either. Where did I say anything about Labour? I was referring to Socialism in general. And USSR and was but a one example I gave. There are plenty more - much more recent and prominent. Even in Scandinavia they think of reforming their systems now.
@asmodeus585 - I'm puzzled when people say socialist policies lead to ruin. You can't ignore the fact that the Nordic Economic System of Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Iceland works and leads to very high standards of living. There may be other factors involved, such as low populations, but those countries have thriving industries such as SAAB, Nokia, Ericsson, Volvo, Stora Enso, Carlsberg, IKEA, and other exports. The Nordic model also maximises labour force participation.
@Enerjee: As far as I know Scandinavians are already reforming their system in order to make to more flexible, it isn't such a paradise as you might think. Besides, we don't know if the Nordic model would work in Anglo-Saxon countries, where the work culture is completely different. There is no one sort of socialism or capitalism, in fact each country and its nation invents their very own version of one of these two systems. USSR was different from Cuba.
@asmodeus585 - Much of what you say may be true, but I've been to Iceland and Norway and both seem more of a paradise than the UK.
Eventhough France has far more socialism (ie public sector employment) it still manages to support a lot of industry enabling it to maintain a higher standard of living compared to the UK. Margaret Thatcher's aim was to restructure the UK from a manufacturing-based economy into a service industry-based economy, which is why France is growing and the UK's not.
@Enerjee: I wouldn't say that it was her fault and only hers. At least, she was doing what she believed in. Nowadays most politicians are simply fake, no matter which party they belong to. Besides, I would say that the current state of Britain has much more to do with what was happening in the 90s than in the 80s. It's the Nu-Labour that changed Britain so much. Britain is no longer British, there are so many immigrants, it has becoming a melting pot. UK has lost its uniqueness.
@ToaJoe - You thought all Tories went to private schools? No - those who are fortunate enough to be able to afford private education have the option to send their children to a private school. Many Tory voters are in that position, but many of the don't.
However, a great number of socialists are also in the position to be able to privately educate their children and they are gross hypocrites ! Examples are Harriet Harman, Diane Abbott, Ruth Kelly, Tony Benn and many, many more !
@Enerjee I have since changed my political views. I still think Thatcher was a bad PM. Nigel Lawson and Geoffery Howe were the ones who improved our economy, not the economically illiterate Thatcher.
@ToaJoe - inevitably you're right, however, Margaret Thatcher was the leader and catalyst who brought Geoffrey Howe and Nigel Lawson in as Chancellors in order to carry out her beliefs and doctrine.
It's interesting how both of them eventually curbed her excesses by saying her time had been and gone and that she had become dictatorial to the extreme. She was deposed in 1990 after eleven and a half years in power and the difficult job of returning the UK to prosperity was finished.
@ToaJoe - congratulations on having changed your political views. My parents always told me that when you really analyse "Socialists" most of them are really Conservatives underneath. They all want to better themselves and much of their rhetoric is based on envy and jealousy towards richer people.
There are very few true Socialists and, although I disagree with much of what they loudly and fist thumpingly preach, I do respect their right to espouse it..
@Enerjee I'm not a conservative. I think their christian family value social policies are sickening and revolting. I am a liberal. I believe in small government and supply side economics, but I also support equality and progressive taxation. Thatcher was bad PM, all of the merits of her government are owed to Lawson & Howe, who deserve more credit than they get.
Your parents? Always told you?....and 'The Sex Pistols' are the first band on your list? Do you understans Socialism, or Mummy and Daddie's view....get real....understand Dialetical Materialism, the un-Sun version of the world and then see today as it is
@jandismaszilenka - were shouting that loudly and thumping your fist in the air when you wrote that. I don't choose to get my news from the Sun thanks very much. I think you're the one who needs to get real.
Your parents? Always told you?....analyse Socialists and they are Conservatives underneath? Do ypu know how oxymoron that is? Do you understansd Socialism, or Mummy and Daddie's view....? get real....understand Dialetical Materialism, the un-Mummy/Daddy version of the world and then see today as it is
@jandismaszilenka - there are Socialists who want a Socialist State tomorrow. Then there are Socialists who want a Socialist State just as soon as their children have finished their private education
@jandismaszilenka - My parents? Yes, and many other people too (some of them being ex-Socialists). How many "Socialists" do you know who aren't true to their principles? There are a colossal amount of them - scratch the surface.
Yes, t's a paradox to say that most Socialists are Conservatives, because it's true. One could also argue that many Conservatives believe in Socialism, which is also true. Socialism's great. It's how much that's in dispute.
@jandismaszilenka - throughout my contact with true Socialists I've concluded that most of them have become married to it in the same way that a fundamentalist Christian, Muslim or other religious fanatic, becomes consumed by extreme religious doctrine.
I haven't come across many of them that have much of a sense of humour either. They're often bullies who push and cajole their views upon other people.
@Vanoccupanther the longer she's alive the longer she'll burn in hell thats wat my mum said lol at least i can actually find atleast one person who isnt so blindly ignorant to think that what she did was for the good of britain
@Vanoccupanther I must beg to differ and your feelings on Ms. Thatcher can be summed up by this quote from another conservative Prime Minister of considerable noteworthiness, "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill
@Vanoccupanther Not a fan of the women, but that is completely unacceptable. Personally didn't like the way she treated industry in Scotland, in fact destroyed much of it, but many of us forget that we are better of today through her right to buy policy on council housing. Still didn't vote for her, but she can't of messed up that many peoples live when she won 3 consecutive general elections - probably more popular than you & I think. Nevertheless your comment is digusting and offensive.
@davieboy27 In fact I don't want her to die, I want her to suffer like the thousands who suffered under her. Go and tell the families of people who died or were maimed in her filthy Argentinian war, the old age pensioners who could not afford their fuel bills so they died of the cold, tell that to the thousands of men who had their lives ripped apart by having their jobs destroyed and their families ruined. She did all this while making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Greed is disgusting.
@Vanoccupanther: She's gone and there are still the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer. It's a law of nature, it has nothing to do with a particular person. Neither politicians from the left, nor from the right were ever able to change it. Yet, many of the poor nowadays are not quite as poor as the poor 50 or more years ago. They is only greater gap between them and the rich, because the modern rich are proportionally much richer than the ones a few decades before.
@Vanoccupanther Are you really that worthless? Is it fair to blame Margaret Thatcher for you being a waste of skin who doesn't aspire to do anything more than have people pay your way in society?
@aliboioi Tell that to the 1000's of miners and steel workers she dumped on the scrap head and then did nothing at all to help them. For the record I have a very good job, well paid and a job i got under a labour government.
@Vanoccupanther Twenty years later amd you rancid lefties are still going on about it. She was that good!
you whinge about privatisation while enjoying the benifit of choice and competition to keep prices down.
You're still going on about the miners strike but let's face it, if the mines didn't close under Thatcher, New labour would have killed the industry with their health and safety bollocks.
Her kids turned out fine, though. Apart from the the racism on the BBC, and the coup d'etat attempt in Equatorial Guinea. Well done. If only the rest of us we're like her, the world would be a better place. Sorry to cut this short, but my kids want to play with their working class daddy. I have made my boy promise me not to invade a poor, yet mineral rich country, and my beautiful daughter not to fantasise about a very common crystal. Fingers crossed.
People never liked her because so was a strong, take no rubbish woman. Not many were used to such an assertive woman back then. She made big decisions, and got slated fr them, f it was a male PM, they would have been forgotten about a year later. Margaret Thatcher, a credit to women, a credit to our nation. And I voted Conservative, for the Labour dillusionists reading this. The current tories are Thatchers children, get used to it ;)
@PeteGeeza86 Party like a mother fucker you thatcher hating douche bag. You'll see her on the other side someday and the iron lady may take you out. If it were not for her strong defence policies the soviet menace may well be still a threat as islamic terrorism is today bloody fool.
@PeteGeeza86 Selfish? You mean, people actually trying to take care of themselves, and being concerned for their own welfare, instead of sponging off the gov't and other people? If more people were "selfish" as you put it, society would be better off...
@adrian993 - well said. when Maggie came to power, Britain needed her. Even Labour politicians said that the country definitely needed to move towards the market, with less State involvement.
Meh. Kinnock was okay, Fantastic speaker. Realistic leftist. The pre-cursor for Blair really. I think he would have made a good PM. A step up from Major at least...
@flyfifer1982 I'll be buying the whole pub a round of drinks,but not the tory voters. Since May 1997,I have had all of 5 weeks unemployment. Compared with the 15 years previous. THAT BLOODY WOMAN laid waste to everybody but her chosen few. & who decided she should get a state funeral? They'll have to bury her at sea,as all & sundry will be sabotaging her grave otherwise. She'll be costing us megabucks well into the future
What she created was that people who worked for a living should reap the benefits.
She had nothing against the people who were trying to find work, just the scroungers.
She also re - negotiated our stronger position in the EU and made the unions to adopt democratic processes, rather than forcing members to do what the hierarchy wished.
And as much as I can't stand Gordon Brown I have no personal ill will towards him. To wish someone dead is disgusting.
A wonderful woman. Those who wish her dead are just the nothings that were left behind in her wake who have less than nothing in themselves to get up off their lazy backsides and work to make their lives better for themselves. Or perhaps they just hate a strong woman. Either way, the result is the same: she succeeded, where you failed.
im not confused. the fact that u wish her dead.... then u say u r not bitter.... well what would u wish on her if she was bitter? lol u must b a genuine thatcher hater. it comes out in your argument. different points every time with no real point or theme. just hate.... and u say thatcher was bad. lol. take a look at your wicked comments!
@thatcheritescot No they don't. They are more socialist than the English. The elected the Scottish Nazi Party who are as left wing economically as it gets.
I live in the United States and have been a fan of Lady Thatcher for many many years. I've heard "The Iron Lady of Britain" many times since 1979 when Britain began it's journey back to greatness. That "Iron" woman basically says the same as "Iron Lady" so I think I will choose Iron. Without Mrs. Thatcher the soviet menace may well still exist today. But not for her and ol Ronnie, we may face the same threats we experienced for decades before the early 1990's.
Maybe the adjective is 'invincible'. On the other hand that adjective may be a little too "conservative" to come out of Kinnock's mouth at that situation. ;-)
Clearly some of her colleagues didn't share your confidence. Remember she was not flavour of the month at this time, because of things like the poll tax and privatisation of the water companies, her popularity was dwindling. It's hypothetical, but many people, Tories included, believe that they may have narrowly lost in 1992 if she had carried on. You clearly admire Thatcher a great deal, but she was not invincible, nobody is.
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everyone knows that maggie was banging mr kinnock and when he refused to kiss her after she had been sucking eggs she resorted to a really low slagging of a great man..
'THAT WOMAN' HAH
sexckatxx 1 month ago
Gotta Love Thatcher!. Cant wait to see the Iron Lady!
tausti 2 months ago
LOOK UP NIGEL FARAGE, HE HAS BALLS AND SPEAKS THE TRUTH. VOTE AND JOIN UKIP !!!
jimmysfish1 3 months ago
Neil kinnocks working class respect for women, stopped him from truly going for the Jugular with her.. Wish That Healey would have been the leader and then she would have been , please excuse the language, pissing her pants at the dispatch box!
Healey the best leader we never had!
whiskasalpha 4 months ago
Mrs Thatcher never knew that Neil Kinnock would be the classic 'socialist' European Unionist traitor politician making £millions from our taxes via the hopelesly corrupt and criminal led European Union project. Thanks to Thatcher, Heath and various other Tory dimwits selling our country down the river to EEC membership we're now well embroiled with the scumbag led European Union project that the EEC has now become. Shame on them all !!!!!
RedGoblinus 4 months ago
Arrogant cunt Thatcher ; you weren't saying this in November 1990 when you were out on the doorstep leaving and crying like a pussy !. When Thatcher dies I'm going to throw a week long party, Lol
TheKenfig 4 months ago
@TheKenfig She had right to be arrogant - Neil Kinnock was a laughing stock. She left Downing Street in 1990 with the knowledge that, thanks to her, Britain was a better place than it was in 1979. Thatcher is the only PM to be honoured with a statue in the House of Commons whilst still alive - a testament to her legacy. No socialist PM can ever rightfully be as proud of themselves as she can.
OfMiceandTransmen 4 months ago 5
@OfMiceandTransmen No one has the right to be arrogant as a public servant. It is what the entire population thinks of her that counts, not what she thinks of herself. Who gives a shit about a statue put up by some elitists ?. Who are you to say that no socialist PM be rightfully proud of themselves as she is ?. You've not been a PM and you're a Thatcherite so you would say that
TheKenfig 4 months ago
@TheKenfig Because no socialist PM has ever done as much good as Thatcher did - that's why. Thatcher raised the living standards of both the rich and poor, which is something the socialist has never achieved.
OfMiceandTransmen 4 months ago
@OfMiceandTransmen Rubbish, I remember unemployment being higher than it is now with her ; it was over 3 million. Then she destroyed the miners and their proud communities built on years of blood,sweat and tears, made the war in the Falklands through being arrogant and ignoring defence advice THEN having the cheek to capitalise on the propaganda of war and win a second election. Then she brought civil unrest with the outrageous poll tax and even her party thought her a liability. Tyrant despot
TheKenfig 4 months ago
@TheKenfig She made a lot of unpopular, but necessary decisions. She destroyed the miners because she HAD TO. They and the trade unions were causing civil unrest with their constant strikes, and thus had to be sorted out. She focused on tackling inflation at the expense of full employment, but the end result was that the GDP increased for all. As for the poll tax, that was scrapped when she realised how strongly everyone felt about it.
OfMiceandTransmen 4 months ago
@OfMiceandTransmen Tory Sun propaganda used to brainwash susceptible people into believing it. Supporters of Hitler said groups needed 'sorting out' if I remember. Inflation ?.Glib excuse : inflation was always transient and under Thatcher it was 18% in 1980 after it had been down to 8% in 1978 ; AND it increased 1984 / 85 after falling temporarily and went up again steadily to almost 10% by 1990 ; all of which are far higher than it has been this last 10 years.She scrapped PT cos she was scared
TheKenfig 4 months ago
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Now compare government spending between then an now.
seppsters 4 months ago
@OfMiceandTransmen You wrote: "As for the poll tax, that was scrapped when she realised how strongly everyone felt about it". You need to read up on your history. The poll tax was still in place when she left office and wasn't scrapped until April 1991 largely at the insistence of Michael Heseltine and the Council Tax was brought in. Thatcher left office still stubbornly clinging to the poll tax - it was one of the reasons for her demise.
npe1 1 month ago
Alone And Asleep by Oh Sam Bin Laden - controversial new publication.
garyw930 5 months ago
title very misleading
AjLeapz 6 months ago
If socialism worked, it would be great; but it doesn't, and I'm a practical person so I vote Tory.
Labour believe that a utopia of equality can exist and subsequently their trademark policies are geared toward reducing inequality. While admirable from a narrow theoretical point of view, there is a great deal of natural inequality which is, in fact, equitable.
This leads me to my point: most arguments I hear about equality fail to consider the crucial factor that is equity.
LFCzeppelin8 7 months ago
@LFCzeppelin8 I agree that socialism hasn't worked so far, but not because of the argument you've put forward. Some greedy, self-centred socialists ruin socialism and some greedy, self-centred communists ruin communism but what is it that ruins capitalism? The very naivety of it, they believe that the free market will take care of employment, but to put it plainly in hard times private companies are not going to hire more workers in a culture of cuts. There is more naivety too.
TheJmax1998 7 months ago
@TheJmax1998 I think you missed my point: if there was a perfect system, there would be no politics. I just think there are better systems than socialism and better systems than those which are put forward by Labour.
So because capitalism doesn't provide jobs, the state should? I don't see any reason for that - it's also unsustainable if pursued (the consequences of which we are now seeing).
I'm not saying capitalism doesn't have shortcomings. But it's the "least worst" system (stolen quote)
LFCzeppelin8 7 months ago
@LFCzeppelin8 - the reason that benevolent Capitalism came about through philanthopic actions which was soon followed by State Philanthropy (Socialism) was due to "fear of the mob". The "mob" consisted of those left behind by Capitalism who lived in squalor, slums and poverty breeding crime and discontent directed towards the winners of the system. Unaddressed this leads to an extremely divided society which is deemed uncivilised. Yes, we still have that but without Socialism it'd be worse.
Enerjee 7 months ago
@LFCzeppelin8 I would disagree with that, if there was perfect socialism there would still be people arguing for a free market, and thus, still politics. Moreover, Labour, in its current form, is not a socialist party, a mistake that is made by so many these days. You would see the reason for state intervention in the jobs market, if a private company had laid you off and you joined a dole queue of 4 million under an obtusely capitalist Government.
TheJmax1998 7 months ago
@LFCzeppelin8 The only consequences we are seeing, is of a banking system allowed to lend what it wants, that indeed, an unregulated system, is a capitalist idea, it matters not that Labour, a supposedly socialist party implemented the system.
TheJmax1998 7 months ago
@TheJmax1998 Who sets the interest rates ?
tincoffin 5 months ago
@tincoffin The Bank of England.
TheJmax1998 5 months ago
@LFCzeppelin8 - I vote Tory too due to the principles of personal responsibility and independence being the foundations of freedom. Socialism can encourage dependency.
But the Social Democracy that exists in Scandinavian using the Nordic Economic Model (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland an Finland) has led to some of the world's highest living standards. It doesn't appear to stifle business (look at the successful major international companies of SAAB, Ericsson, IKEA, Nokia, Electrolux, LEGO)
Enerjee 7 months ago
@Enerjee I don't believe the causality you're implying - that social democracy caused strong businesses. Just because 2 things occur together doesn't mean that they are causally related..
LFCzeppelin8 7 months ago
@LFCzeppelin8 - maybe not, but you can't escape the fact that Nordic Model economics has delivered extremely high living standards for those countries. They have private wealthcreating industries, relatively high taxes and perhaps the most comprehensive welfare systems in the world. The high tax policies don't appear to stifle capitalist entrepeneurialism.
In Norway's case you could argue that North Sea oil has paid for a lot of it, because it was largely nationalised. Sweden etc though?
Enerjee 7 months ago
one useless woman, the worst thing to happen to the uk , the woman who single handed fucked britain
philchisholm1 8 months ago
@philchisholm1 - She "single-handedly fucked Britain" ? I never knew she was that kind of woman, but each to their own !
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee seems you know all about hand fucking, you wanker!!
setabretsam 7 months ago
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Enerjee 7 months ago
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@setabretsam - you're right there mate, I do ! But, as your name suggests, it takes one to know one and it would appear that you like to use the "back hand".
Not a lot to do in Norway though is there?
Enerjee 7 months ago
Margaret Thatcher was a very significant leader. However she was also very lucky in her opponents. The bottom line is Neil Kinnock and indeed Michael Foot were just not up to the job of being Prime Minister. Had Thatcher faced someone like Healey or Harold Wilson in his prime she would have come off worse. Mrs Thatcher never faced a Labour leader who could match her at the despatch box or in the country. Her significance is undermined by the quality of her opponents whilst PM.
densaner77 9 months ago
I'm more to the left on the spectrum but she was magnificent! I'm sure if I was British I'd be using some more choice adjectives to describe her, but she yanked the UK off the path of statist stagnation and put it onto a path of economic prosperity that helps pay for things like the NHS still today.
shmoker2010 9 months ago
@shmoker2010 - you say you're "more to the left on the spectrum", yet you then go on to praise Thatcher's right wing Adam Smith approach to economics. Are you sure you're still more to the left or are you deluding yourself?
Enerjee 8 months ago
Hasn't that wrinkly old cunt died yet? At least she can't remember the mess the bitch left behind.
kady7869 9 months ago
Politicians only tell the truth when they insult one another.
SiorafasNaCillini 9 months ago
Maggie's not just the boss she's the Iron Lady. I was not happy at all when she resigned. Not happy at all.
88888888BBBBBBBB 10 months ago
Lol " he might have quite a wait"
Dalek1230 10 months ago
I don't like Margaret Thatcher or the Tories but this is a class act.
TheJmax1998 10 months ago
@TheJmax1998 - many of her speeches were class acts. Many people didn't like her, but they did respect her because she set out a vision and aimed for it ruthlessly. She knew she could only please some of the people some of the time.
As with anyone who has power for too long they become dictatorial and feel superior and invincible (elected or not). That's what happened to her. The Tory MPs who eventually ousted her will tell you that by 1989 she didn't listen to cabinet and was a dictator.
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee Oh I know.
TheJmax1998 7 months ago
im going to so happy when this cow is dead
tescoskick 10 months ago
Wow, are dupes here really pining for the unrepentant communists of Old Labour? not that "Nulabour" has been much better, but at least they ditch the communism.
NickB1967 11 months ago
In the North West of England we have a name for such glorious and witty leaders...twats.
dannynjames 11 months ago
MOOOOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
creativebollocks 11 months ago
An evil cow.
Jammers22 11 months ago
arrogant, nasty humor..if you can call it humor. What happened to her again? Wasn't she disposed of by all those wets sat next to her on the platform? Why was that again?
2010dispencer 1 year ago
hooray - saved the country from decline. Get over it you loosers!
Londoner1001 1 year ago
"wonderful"
:)
WizardKing78 1 year ago
@mellowNdark Greed is human nature. And it is what makes the world go round. And it is dam good to have an element of greed. It is not the governments job to impose fairness in such a way that is theft (socialism,) that is the ultimate moral wrongdoing.
Tracywithafacey 1 year ago
she should rot in hell for her crimes!
TheCoon2000 1 year ago
Even listening to her makes me angry. I look at her and I can't help but think of how she drove Britain into the ground - drove millions of families into poverty just because of a vendetta against communism. She promoted a morally corrupt system of treading on your fellow man to get yourself to the top. And if you people hate socialism then feel free to stop using the free healthcare afforded by it and all of our free public schools.
HyakuShiki1993 1 year ago
@HyakuShiki1993 Hey old buddy old pal listen :- Look at the growth of the economy after her reforms, the tax rates for working class familes, the increase in home ownership etc etc. Now FREE HEALTHCARE AND FREE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, hey THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO MONEY OF ITS OWN IT COMES FROM EVERYONE WHO PAYS TAXES!!!!!!!! given your name you would be 17 or maybe 18????? Please read about pre 1979 in every aspect then contrast it with 1990 Thatcher didn't get everything right, but she was a great PM.
99235496 1 year ago
BIGGEST NAZI EVER!
tomika1967 1 year ago
BEST PM EVER
wakeylad81 1 year ago
That woman will be rap*d in hell for all eternity by the lord Satan himself. I cant' even talk to a Tory so don't @
me please
paulieeee 1 year ago 2
That woman will be raped in hell for all eternity. I cant' even talk to a tory so don't @
me please
paulieeee 1 year ago 2
@paulieeee: Why are you watching videos like this then? Go and watch some Labour propaganda instead. It's masochism to watch videos you don't like, jut to comment that you hate what they present.
asmodeus585 10 months ago
WHAT A WOMAN. I LOVE MRS T....LONG MAY SHE THRIVE AND PROSPER
wakeylad81 1 year ago
Intelligence. Its hits you between the eyes. And not only that but savage truth. She was always a fighter but when your talking from the heart and the brain you don't even know how amazing you are. She top of my list of real women. Thank you Maggie.
sharonmyk 1 year ago
@LORDMCHUGH You must have forgotten the 1983 election when the Torries had a majority of 144 seats and a vote share of 42% to Labour`s 27%. Bit of a landslide really just like the 1997 election
cookerldc 1 year ago
@cookerldc Very similar indeed... the 1997 election had the lowest ever turnout for an election! No one wanted labour, they were just sick of John Major. You fool.
JONATHANJARRETT95 1 year ago
@JONATHANJARRETT95 Maybe that's why Labour got the largest landslide... ever? (in the last 100 years, at least). No, you're getting the facts wrong. Blair appealed to everyone because he was a dashing young politicians that women liked. Unfortunately, that's how stupid the public is. That's ultimately why Brown lost the general election this year.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
The most evil woman that ever lived!
llanberis100 1 year ago 2
@mellowNdark: People are biologically determined to be selfish. It is no invention of any government, not to mention one particular politician. People are always selfish, even when they sacrifice for others, because when they do it, they do it only because it pleases them. People who happen to be altruists are altruist for they possess altruistic genes and perhaps they even received altruistic education from their parents, which reinforced their natural tendencies.
asmodeus585 1 year ago
Time is ticking maggie. Die you old decrepid evil warmongering cunt
Vanoccupanther 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther Yes time is ticking, she could be owning you rather then watching the Country go to ruins
gangstamillion 1 year ago
She was right about Kinnock, he did have a long wait..........
Kidsgrove49 1 year ago
can't you do some mock the week cuts in between?
Galacticmaster 1 year ago
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I hope she dies screaming in agony with cancer and then the millions of people she fucked over and lives she destroyed can queue up and piss on her grave.
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE THE MOTHER OF A 1000 DEAD?
Vanoccupanther 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther comments like that show how great she was.,,.. and how little bitter people like u are very very small indeed. if u really feel the need to piss on her grave... by all means go for it. she still won. her policys live on. u and your kind are wrong... and remember this... no one would ever want to piss on your grave. u r nothing
thatcheritescot 1 year ago 26
@thatcheritescot She was a murdering bitch who had no feelings. Come and tell the miners of south wales your thoughts, go on come down here and you'll go back home in a fucking box.
Vanoccupanther 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther Calm down man- she's only one woman!
Why all this vitriol & bile towards her?
"From taking the milk out of childrens mouth, sending our kids to a worthless war in the Falklands to murder another countries kids,... decimating the mining industry, killing our national health service, making millions unemployed with no hope of a future." That's hardly a balanced or fair view.
As for death threats - get real. In the words of Bill Maher: "You can't bring that sh*t to the big city.."
tdp1909 1 year ago
@tdp1909 She ruined my country (Wales) and the communities within. The effects of it are still there to see. People killed themselves as they lost everything because of her, there was no future - she destroyed that.
She was also 'buddies' with that other war criminal Ronald Raygun who she gladly accepted to put his missiles on british soil making the whole of the UK an even nuclear bigger target. A cruise missile is the closest she'll ever get to having a penis just like every other man.
Vanoccupanther 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther I don't think she 'ruined' bits of the country deliberately - that was just the way the cookie crumbled. As far as the miner's go, that was Scargill's Marxist idiocy just as much as her rigidity, along with 50 years of economic featherbedding.
Besides even Wales is better off now thanks to her market reforms...
tdp1909 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot not bitter BETTER and no one would piss on my grave because I am not a murderer or a liar or a thief - Thatcher was. From taking the milk out of childrens mouth, sending our kids to a worthless war in the Falklands to murder another countries kids, sinking the Belgrano in cold blood, decimating the mining industry, killing our national health service, making millions unemployed with no hope of a future.
Vanoccupanther 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot Well put. Although I won't mind pissing on his grave, if i need to take a leak at that juncture.
brianclough 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot socialist policies still live on, conservative policies live on, many policies live on but that doesnt make it right. Thatcher destroyed the lives of thousands, maybe millions. Just because it wasnt bad for you, doesnt mean it wasnt the worst time ever for others.
binstig 1 year ago
@binstig: She didn't destroy anything, she just set the market free. If socialists were longer in power, then the people who were made unemployed during the thatcherism time would become unemployed anyway, because socialistic policies are unsustainable, sooner or later the country falls into a huge debt and it has horrendous consequences for the whole nation. This is exactly when we happen to be now. We just have to wait for the proper ramifications of our current debt.
asmodeus585 1 year ago
@asmodeus585 No, socialist policies are sustainable, but they are always brought down by the policies introduced by conservatives.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe: Really? I thought the history of USSR or the current situation in Cuba or the problems that France and other greatly indebted countries now face, should give a lesson to all fanatical supporters of socialism. I guess I was too naive to believe that rational arguments and facts can speak to them. (Btw, I'm not a conservative.)
asmodeus585 1 year ago
@asmodeus585 You're such a fucking fool. Using the USSR as an example for why you think Labour sucks is like me comparing the Tories with the Nazi party. Grow up.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe: So nice of you to be vulgar. ;) I may be a fool, but I'm not sure about you being a genius either. Where did I say anything about Labour? I was referring to Socialism in general. And USSR and was but a one example I gave. There are plenty more - much more recent and prominent. Even in Scandinavia they think of reforming their systems now.
asmodeus585 1 year ago
@asmodeus585 - you forgot about the massive debts of that other great socialist country, the USA.
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee: You're right, to me the USA is a socialist country in a way. ;)
asmodeus585 8 months ago
@asmodeus585 - I'm puzzled when people say socialist policies lead to ruin. You can't ignore the fact that the Nordic Economic System of Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Iceland works and leads to very high standards of living. There may be other factors involved, such as low populations, but those countries have thriving industries such as SAAB, Nokia, Ericsson, Volvo, Stora Enso, Carlsberg, IKEA, and other exports. The Nordic model also maximises labour force participation.
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee: As far as I know Scandinavians are already reforming their system in order to make to more flexible, it isn't such a paradise as you might think. Besides, we don't know if the Nordic model would work in Anglo-Saxon countries, where the work culture is completely different. There is no one sort of socialism or capitalism, in fact each country and its nation invents their very own version of one of these two systems. USSR was different from Cuba.
asmodeus585 8 months ago
@asmodeus585 - Much of what you say may be true, but I've been to Iceland and Norway and both seem more of a paradise than the UK.
Eventhough France has far more socialism (ie public sector employment) it still manages to support a lot of industry enabling it to maintain a higher standard of living compared to the UK. Margaret Thatcher's aim was to restructure the UK from a manufacturing-based economy into a service industry-based economy, which is why France is growing and the UK's not.
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee: I wouldn't say that it was her fault and only hers. At least, she was doing what she believed in. Nowadays most politicians are simply fake, no matter which party they belong to. Besides, I would say that the current state of Britain has much more to do with what was happening in the 90s than in the 80s. It's the Nu-Labour that changed Britain so much. Britain is no longer British, there are so many immigrants, it has becoming a melting pot. UK has lost its uniqueness.
asmodeus585 8 months ago
@thatcheritescot Her policies live on? Right... Poll Tax eh, what a success
Brayinator 1 year ago
@Brayinator Lol!
ToaJoe 1 year ago
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ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe - You thought all Tories went to private schools? No - those who are fortunate enough to be able to afford private education have the option to send their children to a private school. Many Tory voters are in that position, but many of the don't.
However, a great number of socialists are also in the position to be able to privately educate their children and they are gross hypocrites ! Examples are Harriet Harman, Diane Abbott, Ruth Kelly, Tony Benn and many, many more !
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee I have since changed my political views. I still think Thatcher was a bad PM. Nigel Lawson and Geoffery Howe were the ones who improved our economy, not the economically illiterate Thatcher.
ToaJoe 8 months ago
@ToaJoe - inevitably you're right, however, Margaret Thatcher was the leader and catalyst who brought Geoffrey Howe and Nigel Lawson in as Chancellors in order to carry out her beliefs and doctrine.
It's interesting how both of them eventually curbed her excesses by saying her time had been and gone and that she had become dictatorial to the extreme. She was deposed in 1990 after eleven and a half years in power and the difficult job of returning the UK to prosperity was finished.
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee
At what cost, after Friedman in the US?
jandismaszilenka 8 months ago
@ToaJoe - congratulations on having changed your political views. My parents always told me that when you really analyse "Socialists" most of them are really Conservatives underneath. They all want to better themselves and much of their rhetoric is based on envy and jealousy towards richer people.
There are very few true Socialists and, although I disagree with much of what they loudly and fist thumpingly preach, I do respect their right to espouse it..
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee I'm not a conservative. I think their christian family value social policies are sickening and revolting. I am a liberal. I believe in small government and supply side economics, but I also support equality and progressive taxation. Thatcher was bad PM, all of the merits of her government are owed to Lawson & Howe, who deserve more credit than they get.
ToaJoe 8 months ago
@Enerjee
Your parents? Always told you?....and 'The Sex Pistols' are the first band on your list? Do you understans Socialism, or Mummy and Daddie's view....get real....understand Dialetical Materialism, the un-Sun version of the world and then see today as it is
jandismaszilenka 8 months ago
@jandismaszilenka - were shouting that loudly and thumping your fist in the air when you wrote that. I don't choose to get my news from the Sun thanks very much. I think you're the one who needs to get real.
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee
Your parents? Always told you?....analyse Socialists and they are Conservatives underneath? Do ypu know how oxymoron that is? Do you understansd Socialism, or Mummy and Daddie's view....? get real....understand Dialetical Materialism, the un-Mummy/Daddy version of the world and then see today as it is
jandismaszilenka 8 months ago
@jandismaszilenka - there are Socialists who want a Socialist State tomorrow. Then there are Socialists who want a Socialist State just as soon as their children have finished their private education
Enerjee 8 months ago
@jandismaszilenka - My parents? Yes, and many other people too (some of them being ex-Socialists). How many "Socialists" do you know who aren't true to their principles? There are a colossal amount of them - scratch the surface.
Yes, t's a paradox to say that most Socialists are Conservatives, because it's true. One could also argue that many Conservatives believe in Socialism, which is also true. Socialism's great. It's how much that's in dispute.
An "oxymoron" is a noun by the way.
Enerjee 8 months ago
@jandismaszilenka - throughout my contact with true Socialists I've concluded that most of them have become married to it in the same way that a fundamentalist Christian, Muslim or other religious fanatic, becomes consumed by extreme religious doctrine.
I haven't come across many of them that have much of a sense of humour either. They're often bullies who push and cajole their views upon other people.
Enerjee 8 months ago
@Enerjee
Does not make it right!...Socialits are disgusted by this!
jandismaszilenka 8 months ago
@thatcheritescot "she still won. her policys live on"..........So you're blaming the women you love! Why?
TheSlapdown 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther the longer she's alive the longer she'll burn in hell thats wat my mum said lol at least i can actually find atleast one person who isnt so blindly ignorant to think that what she did was for the good of britain
seanynut 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther I must beg to differ and your feelings on Ms. Thatcher can be summed up by this quote from another conservative Prime Minister of considerable noteworthiness, "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill
BubbyThunder 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther
wonderful comment, she would find it funny, annoying the left, the better.
chris99140 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther Not a fan of the women, but that is completely unacceptable. Personally didn't like the way she treated industry in Scotland, in fact destroyed much of it, but many of us forget that we are better of today through her right to buy policy on council housing. Still didn't vote for her, but she can't of messed up that many peoples live when she won 3 consecutive general elections - probably more popular than you & I think. Nevertheless your comment is digusting and offensive.
davieboy27 1 year ago 2
@davieboy27: You're not a fan of women? That just sounds misogynistic. I'm sure you wanted to write "I'm not a fan of the womAn". ;)
asmodeus585 1 year ago
@davieboy27 In fact I don't want her to die, I want her to suffer like the thousands who suffered under her. Go and tell the families of people who died or were maimed in her filthy Argentinian war, the old age pensioners who could not afford their fuel bills so they died of the cold, tell that to the thousands of men who had their lives ripped apart by having their jobs destroyed and their families ruined. She did all this while making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Greed is disgusting.
Vanoccupanther 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther: She's gone and there are still the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer. It's a law of nature, it has nothing to do with a particular person. Neither politicians from the left, nor from the right were ever able to change it. Yet, many of the poor nowadays are not quite as poor as the poor 50 or more years ago. They is only greater gap between them and the rich, because the modern rich are proportionally much richer than the ones a few decades before.
asmodeus585 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther Are you really that worthless? Is it fair to blame Margaret Thatcher for you being a waste of skin who doesn't aspire to do anything more than have people pay your way in society?
aliboioi 1 year ago
@aliboioi Tell that to the 1000's of miners and steel workers she dumped on the scrap head and then did nothing at all to help them. For the record I have a very good job, well paid and a job i got under a labour government.
Vanoccupanther 1 year ago
@Vanoccupanther Twenty years later amd you rancid lefties are still going on about it. She was that good!
you whinge about privatisation while enjoying the benifit of choice and competition to keep prices down.
You're still going on about the miners strike but let's face it, if the mines didn't close under Thatcher, New labour would have killed the industry with their health and safety bollocks.
usernameofnobody 1 year ago
Her kids turned out fine, though. Apart from the the racism on the BBC, and the coup d'etat attempt in Equatorial Guinea. Well done. If only the rest of us we're like her, the world would be a better place. Sorry to cut this short, but my kids want to play with their working class daddy. I have made my boy promise me not to invade a poor, yet mineral rich country, and my beautiful daughter not to fantasise about a very common crystal. Fingers crossed.
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cold, ill-willed, loathsome, narcissistic, psychologically ill, sadistic, satanic, deeply apathetic, infectiously selfish, bullying, coward of a woman
arronlambert 1 year ago
cold, ill-willed, loathsome, narcissistic, psychologically ill, sadistic, satanic, deeply apathetic, infectiously selfish, bullying, coward of a woman
arronlambert 1 year ago
@arronlambert I assume your talking about Gordon Brown there?
gangstamillion 1 year ago
She was like an accountant. She knew the cost of everything but the value of nothing.
astafford3142 1 year ago
I am so glad Kinnock never became PM of the UK. He would have screwed everything up.
kealyc 1 year ago
always with the CND bashing
jamy30 1 year ago
People never liked her because so was a strong, take no rubbish woman. Not many were used to such an assertive woman back then. She made big decisions, and got slated fr them, f it was a male PM, they would have been forgotten about a year later. Margaret Thatcher, a credit to women, a credit to our nation. And I voted Conservative, for the Labour dillusionists reading this. The current tories are Thatchers children, get used to it ;)
Jackal493 1 year ago
The day Maggie dies...im partying...vile filth!
PeteGeeza86 1 year ago
@PeteGeeza86 Party like a mother fucker you thatcher hating douche bag. You'll see her on the other side someday and the iron lady may take you out. If it were not for her strong defence policies the soviet menace may well be still a threat as islamic terrorism is today bloody fool.
fair66115 1 year ago
"Wonderful"
pellaken 1 year ago
I think the adjective is phenominal!
MRwonderman1 1 year ago
Hope that crazy bitch dies soon.
redface626 1 year ago
I'm fairly sure it was TBW... That Bloody Woman.
However, it should have been Brilliant! :D
FilboFox 1 year ago
BITCH!!
TheLuigi69 1 year ago
Thatcher was vile...and she definately made a lot of people more selfish
PeteGeeza86 1 year ago
@PeteGeeza86 Selfish? You mean, people actually trying to take care of themselves, and being concerned for their own welfare, instead of sponging off the gov't and other people? If more people were "selfish" as you put it, society would be better off...
adrian993 1 year ago
@adrian993 - well said. when Maggie came to power, Britain needed her. Even Labour politicians said that the country definitely needed to move towards the market, with less State involvement.
kealyc 1 year ago
Meh. Kinnock was okay, Fantastic speaker. Realistic leftist. The pre-cursor for Blair really. I think he would have made a good PM. A step up from Major at least...
aceflashheart 1 year ago
Marvellous!
TheRhodeslady 1 year ago
truly awul woman robbed our country sold its assetts at knock down prices to her rich friends treason
timminsmark 1 year ago
i'm having a party when Thatcher dies, you are all invited.
flyfifer1982 2 years ago 2
@flyfifer1982 I'll be buying the whole pub a round of drinks,but not the tory voters. Since May 1997,I have had all of 5 weeks unemployment. Compared with the 15 years previous. THAT BLOODY WOMAN laid waste to everybody but her chosen few. & who decided she should get a state funeral? They'll have to bury her at sea,as all & sundry will be sabotaging her grave otherwise. She'll be costing us megabucks well into the future
andythesoupdragon 1 year ago
Well Gordon brown looks like he had a stroke eh?
MrTORYTOM 2 years ago
I think the Iron lady would say the same to you
MrTORYTOM 2 years ago
"Create the selfish generation?"
What she created was that people who worked for a living should reap the benefits.
She had nothing against the people who were trying to find work, just the scroungers.
She also re - negotiated our stronger position in the EU and made the unions to adopt democratic processes, rather than forcing members to do what the hierarchy wished.
And as much as I can't stand Gordon Brown I have no personal ill will towards him. To wish someone dead is disgusting.
tomaroony 2 years ago 2
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tomaroony 2 years ago
A wonderful woman. Those who wish her dead are just the nothings that were left behind in her wake who have less than nothing in themselves to get up off their lazy backsides and work to make their lives better for themselves. Or perhaps they just hate a strong woman. Either way, the result is the same: she succeeded, where you failed.
powersphincter 2 years ago 2
maggie is boss!!!!
klayed 2 years ago 12
im not confused. the fact that u wish her dead.... then u say u r not bitter.... well what would u wish on her if she was bitter? lol u must b a genuine thatcher hater. it comes out in your argument. different points every time with no real point or theme. just hate.... and u say thatcher was bad. lol. take a look at your wicked comments!
thatcheritescot 2 years ago 8
@thatcheritescot - it's nice to meet a Scot who sees the light.
kealyc 1 year ago 7
@kealyc many scots believe in thatcherism.... the problem is that they usually wont admit it
thatcheritescot 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot yep all those Scots in that one constituency of farmers that voted for them, fucking traitor
murray1234567891011 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot No they don't. They are more socialist than the English. The elected the Scottish Nazi Party who are as left wing economically as it gets.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
lol. bitter? lol. lol. lol. lol. what a sad person u must b. weak weak weak!
thatcheritescot 2 years ago 6
kinnock the cock lol :)
DrGustil 2 years ago
I live in the United States and have been a fan of Lady Thatcher for many many years. I've heard "The Iron Lady of Britain" many times since 1979 when Britain began it's journey back to greatness. That "Iron" woman basically says the same as "Iron Lady" so I think I will choose Iron. Without Mrs. Thatcher the soviet menace may well still exist today. But not for her and ol Ronnie, we may face the same threats we experienced for decades before the early 1990's.
fair66115 2 years ago
Maybe the adjective is 'invincible'. On the other hand that adjective may be a little too "conservative" to come out of Kinnock's mouth at that situation. ;-)
Narrycheni 2 years ago
@Narrycheni invincible i like. lol
thatcheritescot 2 years ago
@thatcheritescot How about Genius?
fair66115 1 year ago
Michael Foot would have been a wonderful Prime Minister, and certainly Clement Attlee was the best Prime Minister Great Britain ever had...
PsychoPunk1965 2 years ago
She didn't last long after this speech did she?
flymogram 2 years ago
perhaps so. but her legacy lives on and is still here today.... and it certainly was not kinnock who finished her off!
thatcheritescot 2 years ago
Not it wasn't Kinnock, it was some of the people sat a few metres away from her at this conference!
flymogram 2 years ago
indeed thats my point. labour could never have defeated her!
thatcheritescot 2 years ago
Clearly some of her colleagues didn't share your confidence. Remember she was not flavour of the month at this time, because of things like the poll tax and privatisation of the water companies, her popularity was dwindling. It's hypothetical, but many people, Tories included, believe that they may have narrowly lost in 1992 if she had carried on. You clearly admire Thatcher a great deal, but she was not invincible, nobody is.
flymogram 2 years ago
Why is she hating this speech so much? During the applause she looks like she's going to cry. When's this from?
SERVANTOFSET 2 years ago
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everyone knows that maggie was banging mr kinnock and when he refused to kiss her after she had been sucking eggs she resorted to a really low slagging of a great man..
maggiesucks1 2 years ago
aye very good dc!
thatcheritescot 2 years ago