People need to watch these swing videos solely for its artistic value, not to derive a swing from. You wanna get better? Go see a PGA Professional, orbetter yet, get on the chipping and putting greens. That's where scores go down.
People need to watch these swing videos solely for its artistic value, not to derive a swing from. You wanna get better? Go see a PGA Professional, orbetter yet, get on the chipping and putting greens. That's where scores go down.
Ive changed my swing hundreds of times, even multiple times during a round and I still shoot relatively the same score as the week before and incrimentally improve over time. Point here is that there isn't a magical golf swing out there to dramatically improve your game instantaneiously. Practice, dedication, and persistance will make you good. Along the way you'll find a swing that works best for you where your Muscle memory and mental confidence are all ins sync to shoot great scores
3:18 fail. Hogan is just setting up for a draw, he is not pointing his right toe away from the target. Hogan says in his book that no matter what the right foot should be perpindicular to the target line (never open) and the left foot should be a "quarter turn" open. This whole video goes against what Hogan himself says in his book.
...restrict one's hip turn on the way back makes it even harder. Notice, in this very video, how soon Hogan's hip turn right-ward on the take-away. The restriction was more salient to him because his contemporaries and predecessors (Jones) turned their hips a HUGE amount. Keeping the right foot/knee braced and the left heel on/close to the ground will restrict the hips automatically. Its just very hard for a human to turn their shoulders while restricting their hips simultaneously. Cheers.
...takeaway. When this happens it immediately calls to mind the drawing of Hogan's arms wrapped in rope, and I think I know what he means. Another thing that ALWAYS accompanies this feeling is a good shoulder turn, like I'm really showing my back to the hole, and sort of stretching my shoulder-blades apart. It's worth repeating thought that it almost never works by trying to "keep the arms in front of the chest" -just not a good swing thought for most. Finally, I believe any attempt to...
There is a lot of talk here (and elsewhere) about keep the arms in front of you. It is an extremely valid CONCEPT. All I can say is that I've NOTICED it happening when I'm hitting the ball well. But it's very hard to replicate by trying to actually keep that triangle in front of the chest. It is definitely a feeling of the upper torso and arms as being one unit. Often I notice it is accompanied by a slight but definite feeling of straightening or pushing the arms just before and during....
@17865329 "Hogan. He was long and straight. Very long. He and I used to have driving contests. Arrivederci, man. I put that son of a bitch out there and I would say, "Catch that, you little cocksucker." Boy, and he would—whoosh! Whipped those fucking hands through there—he was the greatest player I ever played with. If he could putt 25 percent as well as Palmer could, he would have won 50 more tournaments. " From Tommy Bolt, a PGA pro with 15 victories. Yes... Hogan would do just fine today.
@LostUpNorth715 Must of been something to play with Hogan. I started playing golf in 1963 at age 10, I am now 57. One thing I wish the commentator would have mentioned is that Hogan, especially with the irons, kept that right foot anchored to the ground through the impact area. The other guy who exemplified that anchored right foot was Moe Norman. I must admit that I did not realize how important that was for accuracy until recently.
@watertonrivers - Can you imagine what it would have been like to be one of those guys watching this little driving range session? It wasn't until videos started showing up on YouTube that I really started to appreciate the beauty of his swing. I would see a video of my swing and fix what I thought was wrong based on articles or the latest power move or swing technique or lesson or whatever. Now I have something that actually defines what "right" looks like. It makes a HUGE difference.
fezziekid - think about what you wrote for a minute - since this video was shot fully 20 years before TW was born - you probably meant TW's follow through looks like Hogan's
it is not what is told it is what is seen------- in this video it is clear that Hogan has found the most important set up position in golf.He does not lean into the ball at set up.He is SLIGHTLY !!!! bent at the hips witch allows him to keep his hands and club traveling on an inside path. JAMES SNYDER Man vs. Golf ( try turning the volume down an study this very closely )
this is fantastic it clearly show that bens body and feet is slightly open not at parralel ,allowing his body to move out of the way of the swing and rotate about his centre providing more power and accuarcy.ben u rok.
Wow For such a short backswing. Look at him load the power up. When he comes down and through that ball there is major acceleration. Look at the extension after impact and the wide arc he creates past the ball. Oh yeah how about the high well balanced finish. Not to shabby.
Wow For such a short backswing. Look at him load the power up. When he comes down and through that ball there is major acceleration. Look at the extension after impact and the wide arc he creates past the ball. Oh yeah how about the high wel balanced finish. Not to shabby.
Powerul Swing. Look at the aceleration down and through the ball for such a short swing back his arc past imact is wide Look at the extension and high finish wow
Getting tired of this tiger hogan comparison.. Have not all sinned? Condemning is not we need to do but we need a Savior Jesus Christ to turn us away from our sins. We have an accuser day and night confess your sins to the Lord Jesus Christ. I say this sincerely to all. May the Lord Bless all who believe in him. Amen
From a down-the-line view, lay a ruler on the shaft of Hogan's club when its halfway back (0:41 here)... it will ALWAYS pass directly through the ball. Same thing halfway down. Consistently perfect.
From a down-the-line view, lay a ruler on the shaft of Hogan club when its halfway back (6:39 here)... it will ALWAYS pass directly through the ball. Same thing halfway down. Consistently perfect.
The best analysis I've ever seen of Ben Hogan's swing (and contrasting with modern golf instruction) is David Leadbetter's book "The Modern Fundamentals of Hogan." Check it out.
This is priceless footage of the great Ben Hogan - I really appreciate Clem being there that day with his camera and having the guts to ask Mr. Hogan if he could "step across the ropes." Having said that, I respectfully wish he would have had a PGA professional narrate (or have no narration at all) this footage. I have this video in VHS and after a few minutes of Clem droning on and on in the background you don't hear what he is saying anymore. (Sorry. Clem, love ya, man)
Is the lateral move part of his backswing or downswing ?? He seems to move laterally and shift his weight forward while the shaft is still moving backwards
Anyone who knows Mr. Hogans swing will tell you his feet were slightly open at address and progressively closed his stance as the club leghthened. He called it a "running start"
@tenillechristine - I just watched the video again in response to your comment, and I'm astounded how you can believe that the commentator knows Hogan's swing. It's funny that what he says literally doesn't even correlate to what we can clearly see in the video at the same time he's speaking.
@jusTice95767 Nope, in 5 lessons he talks about how he could stand in his stance and lift is toes, it is near the balls of the foot, but closer to the heel
This analysis is ok but when he says it takes extraordinary athlectic ability to stay on balance is just not true. If you get in the proper set-up and take a swing under control, it is not dificult to stay balanced. It does help obviously to be in decent shape but I have seen even guys a bit overweight with incredible balance.
@pat52010 I think he meant that it must have taken incredible balance due to how hard Hogan swung. But you're right, balance during the golf swing isn't the hardest thing to do with the swing.
For a long time instructors taught students to have the feeling you were “sitting” on a bar stool. I always believed we should have been teaching people to feel as though you were “leaning” back on a stool. The last thing you would ever want to do is sit in golf. Sitting will cause the golf club to swing too level to the ground in the downswing, and you will have a tendency to hit the ground behind the golf ball. w w w (dot) golferbreak80 (dot) c0m
iv gotta say that this is the first youtube video iv ever seen where people arnt arguing like 3 year olds about things that have nothing to do with the vid. Personally, iv tried this method before (im 15 years old) and its worked out quite well after you get the hang of it, but if you dont take time to get your hands, torso, and legs right it will play hell with your hits. For less experienced golfers (such as myself) i recommend that you stick to what your instructor (if you have one) has said
Yeah that left shoulder isn't open at all(hah) just about 20 degrees.Thats with the long clubs,even more open the shorter they get.This was pre-arranged to help w the hip turn and clearing.
Tiger, are you disguised as mj102919 ?! I'm disgusted at what you did to your family you cheating pig! Ironic that you are watching a clip of a true gentleman....
Interesting comments about the "draw-fade" ball flight. I can honestly say that I have played a draw that reaches pinnacle and falls as a fade. I don't know how or why this happens but it does......but surely not everyday. On days I hit a "FaDraw" (3outof10rounds) as I call it, I always shoot between 63 and 68. On day I can't seem to hit the "FaDraw" (7outof10 rounds), I shoot between 72 and 78. People are shocked to see the ball flight on days I hit it.Wish I knew how so it could be everyday.
@mj102919 This is fascinating. I have hit this shot too, but its rather rare for me. And I've never done it on purpose. I had assumed it must have been the wind (and surely sometimes it is). But I think this may be possible, if the AXIS of rotation of a freely spinning body can ITSELF rotate (think about it for a minute). A spinning top sometimes does this, and not when it is wobbling and about to fall. It spins fast, while at the same time, its axis, if tilting, slowly rotates.
That is Clem Darracott who actually took this video and produced the dvd 'In Pursuit of Perfection" This is the video and unless Bingo received permission from the copyright holder, this posting is a violation of YouTube policy. Its a great video.
@mcctee I bet Clem has made plenty of Hogan's name and golfswing! How about yourself mcctee ? You made plenty right? And your mate Trolio with his single shift swing claiming Hogan's secret!!! Why not let the masses enjoy the great mans swing without you bullshitting money hungry twats being dikwads
You should be ashamed of yourself. I am embarrased that you even call yourself a 'benhoganfan' with this kind of foul mouthed rant. The financial costs of producing something for distribution to fans is enormous and I have no apologies for trying to recover actual costs. Your comments are unacceptable.
The narrator is Clem Darracott, the man who took the video at the 1967 Masters. Mr. Darracott is a gentleman and really did all of us Hogan fans a huge favor in publishing his film.
True, Hogan did have an inside square inside arc. He also played with an open stance from about a 6 iron up which obviously promotes a fade, generally though the plane of his swing allowed the clubhead to come in at a relatively shallow angle which also promotes a lower flight. Hogan played all his standard shots from the same position relative to his left foot, only his right foot moved but note that this is just right about where the clubhead starts on the inside again hence the 'Hogan fade'
Nobody can hit a ' draw fade '. However, Hogan at impact had the club ever so slightly coming back on the inside and ever so slightly open we are talking fractions of a degree here this is what gave hist shots that characteristic low left to right flight. Hogan could play any shot he wanted though, his understanding of the game was phenomenal and i don't believe there were many shots that he didnt have a clear idea in his head how to play and he could execute his ideas beautifully
I agree GangstaYST. I believe if you were to take a close look at Hogan's divot, you would find that it would start pretty square and turn ever so slightly to the left. This insisde to inside path can only happen if one is perfectly on plane. It's no wonder he could hit any shot he wanted. I could too if I swung that well on plane.
BurleyGolf Be satisfied with what you know..I believe you. Others that just try and provoke, are just there to distract you from your intended purpose..be confident and stand....No need to prove yourself to those that don't agree..see ya....
I'm not trying to provoke anyone and what does north texas have to do with a knucklefade? If he wants to sell any books he better prove himself. That said, why is this on the hogan swing page and not on the blakeburleygolf page?.......Hmmm, bet you can't hit it. THE KNUCKLEFADE IS NOT A SECRET.
What ever makes you sleep better @ night.. Show me some proof other than the person you are getting your information up in North Texas is telling you. I've seen Hogan hit it..
I want you to do something for me, please! Before we start to argue go look at some of the videos on Youtube of Hogan, watch where his ball starts and watch whats int he back ground. Rember he could hit any shot, but we are talking baout the shot that made him famous. Let me know what you see, in the other video's
Hogan shot was a shot that started 1 to 2 yards right of the target and looked as if it dre back to flag and fell right at the end. Just in case some people might of thought it started left and came back right. Hogan could hit every shot though, and the shot I described above was the shot that made him famous. Its not a hard shot to hit if you are on proper angles, and achieve low point.
so ur saying he hit a push fade? and yes he did hit a fade...he had the club open at adress and open at the top of the golf swing......he hated left no doubt but his swing was built to draw the ball..if he had not had the face open at adress and at the top of the backswing he would have been a drawer of the golf ball
I'm saying the ball was struck from an inside angle of attack, with an open club face and the ball started right of target line. The shot appeared to draw back and Fade or fall right toward the end of the shot. I talk about this in my new book its called a Shallowett shot made famous by Hogan.
No im not that great @ physics but I am in teaching the some of the best players in the world. Talking to other about Hogan's ball flight whom he played with, and seing Hogan as a kid.. I would say I am on the right track. The ball travels up the plane and as it looses int's spin falls of the plane to the right. You might want to do a little more research on ball flight laws.
Starts right, draws then falls right? No way, at best you are mistaken which implicates your powers of observation. I suggest you learn, observe and properly apply the laws of Physics instead of inflicting the naive with your hogwash.
The knuckle-fade is a simple adjustment, Hogan wasn't the first to use it, just the best. Why?because he was Ben Hogan.
you may be right blake but i have a hard time believing hogan or anybody for that matter hit a draw fade...maby its possible i dont know but ive never seen it done...unfourtunatly im to young to have had the privelage to watch hogan hit inperson i imagine its was spectacular....id love it but all i have is video of him to watch
Atleast we have video, just think if Hogan was before Bobby Jones... We would have nothing but word of mouth. Glade to see younger generation still watching Hogan..
Hogan was the man. That said, a draw fade, as I understand it, does not exist. Without the aid of the wind, a ball can not turn to the left then turn back to the right.
The commentator is the person shooting the 8 mm movie camera - his name is above. He was a dentist. Mr. Hogan let him take these movies without ever realizing how much play they would receive over time. Hogan haunts us all - with his incredible athleticism.
Turn away from the target with the left arm and shoulders, and hit through the ball with the right arm. Hogan said that he wished he had three right arms at impact for more power. The reason he felt that was because he had a delayed release into the ball which gave him that awesome lag into the ball. It is deceivingly a very powerful swing.
Hogan released with his right because if you release w the left you lose the bow in your left hand/wrist and the bend in your right hand /wrist.This also keep the lower case y not a capital Y formed by the hands and arms.
This footage was shot at Augusta National during Masters week in 1966, the year Hogan shot 66 in the third round. He later commented he hit the ball very well during this tournament week.
This clip is from 'In Persuit of Perfection' dvd by Clem Darracutt *narrator, videographer and producer) and was shot in 1967 at the Masters. It is similar to the clips in 'The Ben Hogan Collection' dvd set also filmed in 1967. Great stuff.
Has anyone ever heard that Hogan had a very tight wrist cock.Not a tight grip but a very tight angle in his wrist cock,which was said to create alot of power.
Well said Brown.Elbows close to the body also allwos for better unity along the entire torso;opening to the target with great timing.Not to mention working the ball with your swing not grip.
You know that feeling that U get at the range where your in a zone;no conscious effort,just a feeling U are hitting the ball,then to varying degrees it's lost when you play next.I finnally figured out the key keeping a large degree of this feel.The most consistent golfer have a steeper downswing than their back swing.This is the weight shift to the front and the arms dropping in the slot.Furyk is an extreme example of this,Niclaus,Hogan + Mo less but you wil find it.Just a base for details 2b+
Trust me you can use parts of Hogan's keys for any golf swing such as the lower body(I start my downswing by thinking of my right knee breaking to target). The hands should never be starting the downswing! And a one piece golf swing for me starts with a slight forward press with knees(lower body) and hands...this is one way of getting everything going back together. Alot of pros use this move to produce rythmn.
Nicklaus was a upright two planer meaning he needed to keep the club "in front of him". Hogan is a text book one planer or rotary swinger. Nicklaus' swing requires a more "one piece" takeaway hence he stresses the shoulders and hips before the hands. Hogan swings around his spine angle so the club must work much more inside hence the hands and arms come first. Both methods are valid. If you are an upright swinger than Hogan's method will destroy your swing and vice versa. Know your swing type.
Hogan is moving forward before his backswing finishes,that is his weight transfer begining.This allows him to drop into the slot and then really go at the ball.He actually makes a slide to the left before he rotates his hips.
On another note it's interesting how Nicklaus and Hogan differ on the order of movements in the swing.Hogan says hands,shoulders,hips on the backswing, then the opposite on the downswings.Nicklaus say feet ,hips,shoulders,hands,then the same order in the downswing.
The arm across his chest actually works to rotate his upper body as a single unit.With his arms stuck to the side of his chest the left arm movement created a well positioned arm position in relation to his body.
hogans grip allows hin to make such a nice swing. v of right hand at the chin - you see other great ball strikers in same postion. v at chin means palm of right faces target. his left v points at right eye.
as he said in his book - hand s fit toghter like puzzle pieces. alos, not many today put the club hihg in the hand llike he did.
in front of you not in the sense that it is literally still in front of you but at the top of the swing the left arm has rounded up and the right arm has bent at the elbow. yes that would be the sensation that im describing. if you released your wrist cock it would be in the same position as it was at address, just in front of your chest. Its never literally in front of you or esle you havent taken the club back. its an expression describing the relationship to the body, its in the same spot
keeping the elbows as close as possible reinforces the upper arms staying connected to the torso. listen to the commentator at 4:05. At address i can just about touch my elbows together, but then the inner elbows are pointing up; the elbow joints should be pointing at the hips(per Hogan).
Keeping the arms against the torso does two things; keeps you from overswinging and allows the torso, as it is pulled by the hips, to throw the arms and hands.
Thanks for the reply. I have just started to incorporate it in my swing, and it has worked wonders. If you could have a look at my swing and offer me any pointers that would be great.
the idea he was trying to convey with that image (the drawing of the elbows kept together with rope) was that the proximity of the elbows to each other shouldn't change. When that happens, the hinging of the right arm and hands, relative to each other, will be correct.
No I'm a pro. Look at his follow through just past impact and you will see the club going round faster than his shoulders. Anyone who starts off in the old fashioned Y position and not the K position ends up handsy. You always set up a chain reaction in your golf swing and because of that Y address position your hands have to effectivly catch up with your arms, you then get a slight lag up the top, a classic late hit and your hands and club spinning round frantically to catch up.
i am a pro too-u write all this crap on here like you want p[eople to think your smart-if hogan was handsy-then hell i want to be handsy too-how the fuck do u critisize that swing-u r kidding arent you
So are you saying that the hands and clubhead should lead the turning of the shoulders?I sort of thought of it that way,yet more to keep the rear shoulder from coming out in front.Could U please define the Y position?
The shoulders should start turning as soon as your arms start moving, so in other words hands,arms,shoulders start moving at the same time. The k position is when your left arm and club shaft is in line or as near as damn it. By the way think shoulder rotation not tilting! Always turn against a firm right knee.
its not directly on plane. if you drew a line from adress up through the shaft and into his belly button you would see the club is dead inside of that line then his hands get deap and inside and his left arm is across his chest
what plane you want him on? square, rectangle or what about a circle or maybe just a jet plane.More golf plane theories out there then airplanes ..dont worry i seen them all...point is the ball didn't give a fuck cause hogan got on the jet plane when it mattered
It's true that almost everybody's idea of "on plane" is based on a theoretical model that really isn't performable by the human body. It does bring up the question of how useful an idea of human motion can be, if it can never be anything but theoretical. Modern analyses of the swing have described the plane as "warped" to some extent, or even that there isn't really anything consistent enough to be a "plane" throughout the swing, only a "path" of the clubhead. I don't know.
I think this guys commentry is fine, The world is full of critics,why don't you put your money where your mouth is and show us how well you could do it :)
Hogan club gets deep and behind him. He had so much God given talent that it did not matter. the correct golf swing is when the club stays infront of you because if it gets deep your toast.
uh no, it wasnt given any more talent then the rest of us, if you understand the swing you would know that he did this on purpose, and what it forced him to do was where the consistancy and power came from.
by deep and inside do you mean hogan kept the club directly in front of him and dead on plane, not to mention square to the arc on which he swings? cuz thats what he did. theres no compensation move on the downswing, from his backswing so long as he holds the loft and rotates his left arm down, he cant miss a shot. tiger swings the same way hogan does ( yes i am comparing haney swing to hogan) and i dont know about you, but when i see that club twirl the ball ends up perfect, every time
How did something so critical to the swing ("in front of the body") get discovered only recently?
Actually, I think this jargon is really just another way of saying that swinging your arms without getting power from a coiling motion (or turning your torso, or using the core, or however you want to put it) is bad technique. That is, if you do turn the center of your body well, your arms _will_ appear to be "in front" of the chest, sort of (although that's not entirely true either).
its not recent. its sarcasm and hogan has been writing this in his books since he learned to swing a club. Im not saying that using coiling motion is wrong, in fact the only way you can properly transfer your core energy to the ball is if the club maintains its original relationship to the body established at address, hence the in front of the body. Afterall, its all about returning the club to the EXACT starting position, and if the club never gets behind you, that shouldnt be too hard.
True, the club should never get "behind" you in an extreme sense, but it's impossible to keep the "same" relationship to the rest of the body as at address. I know that "in front of" language has been a big deal for some time, and it's true to a point, but it causes many amateurs to lift the club way out of plane because they don't understand the club does need to move rearward relative to the target line, and across the body (toward the trailing side), arms rotating onto plane.
Another way of putting this "keeping the club in front of you" thing is to say that the torso should support and enable the arm swing and allow it to proceed on the right plane, which is to say the turn is as much to make room for and support a proper arm swing as it is to provide "coil." But the arms, hands, and club do change their relationship to the center of the body somewhat as compared to address.
Well they shouldnt. Tiger Hogan and Immelman all follow a similar theory in the sense that as they go back, their right arm bends at the elbow up and down, not side to side. The club is in the same relationship to your torso, your wrists are cocked and the club is rounded back. It never leaves it's original relationship with the body, im telling you i know this stuff and its in hogans books
I guess it all depends on what you mean by "same" relationship. If you take that literally, the club couldn't set; the butt end would still be looking at your navel or to the lead side of it. And the arms also change their relationship to the body, depending on what you mean by "same."
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easyscore 3 weeks ago
don't forget to keep the cigarette aimed about 3 feet off the left top corner of the ball position.
DCUPtoejuice 4 months ago
People need to watch these swing videos solely for its artistic value, not to derive a swing from. You wanna get better? Go see a PGA Professional, orbetter yet, get on the chipping and putting greens. That's where scores go down.
ProOcho116 4 months ago
People need to watch these swing videos solely for its artistic value, not to derive a swing from. You wanna get better? Go see a PGA Professional, orbetter yet, get on the chipping and putting greens. That's where scores go down.
ProOcho116 4 months ago
This thing is so awesome..it is called Groove Master Golf and it helps me to swing like Ben Hogan
Superlongball01 5 months ago
OK got all that easily enough. But who are the golf babes in the grandstand at 9:20?
bocephusnation0 6 months ago
@bocephusnation0 I froze the frame at that point and everyone in the frame is a guy.... Just saying.
malthuswasright 5 months ago
Sounds like the teacher in Charlie Brown to me.
FatTonyCologino 6 months ago
Ive changed my swing hundreds of times, even multiple times during a round and I still shoot relatively the same score as the week before and incrimentally improve over time. Point here is that there isn't a magical golf swing out there to dramatically improve your game instantaneiously. Practice, dedication, and persistance will make you good. Along the way you'll find a swing that works best for you where your Muscle memory and mental confidence are all ins sync to shoot great scores
Gyro911 6 months ago
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Gyro911 6 months ago
His swing is way to shallow for any amateur golfer to use successfully. He's a pro golfer an perfected his own swing suited for his body frame.
Gyro911 6 months ago
3:18 fail. Hogan is just setting up for a draw, he is not pointing his right toe away from the target. Hogan says in his book that no matter what the right foot should be perpindicular to the target line (never open) and the left foot should be a "quarter turn" open. This whole video goes against what Hogan himself says in his book.
zacharya15 7 months ago
He had a lot more wrist cock at the top than I remember. His swing was WAY ahead of his time. Anyone know how far he hit his driver or irons?
brown55061 7 months ago
...restrict one's hip turn on the way back makes it even harder. Notice, in this very video, how soon Hogan's hip turn right-ward on the take-away. The restriction was more salient to him because his contemporaries and predecessors (Jones) turned their hips a HUGE amount. Keeping the right foot/knee braced and the left heel on/close to the ground will restrict the hips automatically. Its just very hard for a human to turn their shoulders while restricting their hips simultaneously. Cheers.
maxfiglio 9 months ago
...takeaway. When this happens it immediately calls to mind the drawing of Hogan's arms wrapped in rope, and I think I know what he means. Another thing that ALWAYS accompanies this feeling is a good shoulder turn, like I'm really showing my back to the hole, and sort of stretching my shoulder-blades apart. It's worth repeating thought that it almost never works by trying to "keep the arms in front of the chest" -just not a good swing thought for most. Finally, I believe any attempt to...
maxfiglio 9 months ago
There is a lot of talk here (and elsewhere) about keep the arms in front of you. It is an extremely valid CONCEPT. All I can say is that I've NOTICED it happening when I'm hitting the ball well. But it's very hard to replicate by trying to actually keep that triangle in front of the chest. It is definitely a feeling of the upper torso and arms as being one unit. Often I notice it is accompanied by a slight but definite feeling of straightening or pushing the arms just before and during....
maxfiglio 9 months ago
Just not sure Hogan would be long enough, even with today's equipment to be
a dominant player, though he does have a nice swing, and he was a fierce competitor on the course in his day.
17865329 9 months ago
@17865329 "Hogan. He was long and straight. Very long. He and I used to have driving contests. Arrivederci, man. I put that son of a bitch out there and I would say, "Catch that, you little cocksucker." Boy, and he would—whoosh! Whipped those fucking hands through there—he was the greatest player I ever played with. If he could putt 25 percent as well as Palmer could, he would have won 50 more tournaments. " From Tommy Bolt, a PGA pro with 15 victories. Yes... Hogan would do just fine today.
LostUpNorth715 9 months ago
@LostUpNorth715 Must of been something to play with Hogan. I started playing golf in 1963 at age 10, I am now 57. One thing I wish the commentator would have mentioned is that Hogan, especially with the irons, kept that right foot anchored to the ground through the impact area. The other guy who exemplified that anchored right foot was Moe Norman. I must admit that I did not realize how important that was for accuracy until recently.
watertonrivers 9 months ago
@watertonrivers - Can you imagine what it would have been like to be one of those guys watching this little driving range session? It wasn't until videos started showing up on YouTube that I really started to appreciate the beauty of his swing. I would see a video of my swing and fix what I thought was wrong based on articles or the latest power move or swing technique or lesson or whatever. Now I have something that actually defines what "right" looks like. It makes a HUGE difference.
LostUpNorth715 9 months ago
fezziekid - think about what you wrote for a minute - since this video was shot fully 20 years before TW was born - you probably meant TW's follow through looks like Hogan's
31rmw 10 months ago
it is not what is told it is what is seen------- in this video it is clear that Hogan has found the most important set up position in golf.He does not lean into the ball at set up.He is SLIGHTLY !!!! bent at the hips witch allows him to keep his hands and club traveling on an inside path. JAMES SNYDER Man vs. Golf ( try turning the volume down an study this very closely )
jimsnyder1000 10 months ago
this is fantastic it clearly show that bens body and feet is slightly open not at parralel ,allowing his body to move out of the way of the swing and rotate about his centre providing more power and accuarcy.ben u rok.
korbansk84lyf 10 months ago
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Wow For such a short backswing. Look at him load the power up. When he comes down and through that ball there is major acceleration. Look at the extension after impact and the wide arc he creates past the ball. Oh yeah how about the high well balanced finish. Not to shabby.
TheSpiceemon 11 months ago
Wow For such a short backswing. Look at him load the power up. When he comes down and through that ball there is major acceleration. Look at the extension after impact and the wide arc he creates past the ball. Oh yeah how about the high wel balanced finish. Not to shabby.
TheSpiceemon 11 months ago
Powerul Swing. Look at the aceleration down and through the ball for such a short swing back his arc past imact is wide Look at the extension and high finish wow
TheSpiceemon 11 months ago
basicly stack and tilt.
kwonbin7 1 year ago
His hips and shoulders were not parallelle to the target line on several of these shots, stop drinking the koolaide
bluetiege 1 year ago
His head is so still; incredible.
m2b1986 1 year ago
Getting tired of this tiger hogan comparison.. Have not all sinned? Condemning is not we need to do but we need a Savior Jesus Christ to turn us away from our sins. We have an accuser day and night confess your sins to the Lord Jesus Christ. I say this sincerely to all. May the Lord Bless all who believe in him. Amen
johnc12344321 1 year ago
@johnc12344321 amen brother
nickfreije123 1 year ago
@johnc12344321 we evolved-stop promoting fairy tales. Keep em to yourself please
cockywatchman1976 10 months ago
From a down-the-line view, lay a ruler on the shaft of Hogan's club when its halfway back (0:41 here)... it will ALWAYS pass directly through the ball. Same thing halfway down. Consistently perfect.
telescope3 1 year ago
From a down-the-line view, lay a ruler on the shaft of Hogan club when its halfway back (6:39 here)... it will ALWAYS pass directly through the ball. Same thing halfway down. Consistently perfect.
telescope3 1 year ago
Simple looking golf swing (after millions of balls hit).
MikePedersenGolfTips 1 year ago
He was a cheat.
Deano1000000 1 year ago
@Deano1000000 This is Ben Hogan, not Tiger Woods
golfershane 1 year ago
The best analysis I've ever seen of Ben Hogan's swing (and contrasting with modern golf instruction) is David Leadbetter's book "The Modern Fundamentals of Hogan." Check it out.
fayette202 1 year ago
This is priceless footage of the great Ben Hogan - I really appreciate Clem being there that day with his camera and having the guts to ask Mr. Hogan if he could "step across the ropes." Having said that, I respectfully wish he would have had a PGA professional narrate (or have no narration at all) this footage. I have this video in VHS and after a few minutes of Clem droning on and on in the background you don't hear what he is saying anymore. (Sorry. Clem, love ya, man)
fayette202 1 year ago
doesnt look like stack and tilt is reinventing the wheel when you watch hogan.
eddiehamer14 1 year ago
Sorry Clem--open shoulders, open hips, closed stance. Sam Snead, Gary Player, and at times Tiger Woods have all used this same alignment.
nicklaus72 1 year ago
1:38 to 1:43. remind you of anyone? So like TW's follow through, I reckon.
Fezziekid 1 year ago
Is the lateral move part of his backswing or downswing ?? He seems to move laterally and shift his weight forward while the shaft is still moving backwards
FairwayJack 1 year ago
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FairwayJack 1 year ago
Anyone who knows Mr. Hogans swing will tell you his feet were slightly open at address and progressively closed his stance as the club leghthened. He called it a "running start"
123zdl 1 year ago
Poor Clem has no clue!
TheBusiness55 1 year ago
@tenillechristine - I just watched the video again in response to your comment, and I'm astounded how you can believe that the commentator knows Hogan's swing. It's funny that what he says literally doesn't even correlate to what we can clearly see in the video at the same time he's speaking.
ellomikael 1 year ago
@ellomikael well how bout you enlighten us and make a specific example?
tenillechristine 1 year ago
hmmmm
jimsnyder1000 1 year ago
got to try that tomorrow, Hogan Swing!
odanne29 1 year ago
I have to admit...the commentator's analysis really isn't good.
ellomikael 1 year ago
@ellomikael trust me- this commentator knows exactly what he is talking about...
tenillechristine 1 year ago
i agree completly but i am curious about the weight in the front foot at address ,it looks like the weights is in the toes.
jusTice95767 1 year ago
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@jusTice95767 Nope, in 5 lessons he talks about how he could stand in his stance and lift is toes, it is near the balls of the foot, but closer to the heel
AbbyKnightsFtw 1 year ago
Great stuff - best analysis on Hogan that I've seen. Nice work!
djhn 1 year ago 2
I challenge you to watch this entire video without dozing off.
MMAFan2211 1 year ago
@MMAFan2211 I win :-)
Nate2203 1 year ago
@MMAFan2211 I agree - I could watch Hogan all day but It's Clem's monotone that puts me to sleep.
fayette202 1 year ago
This analysis is ok but when he says it takes extraordinary athlectic ability to stay on balance is just not true. If you get in the proper set-up and take a swing under control, it is not dificult to stay balanced. It does help obviously to be in decent shape but I have seen even guys a bit overweight with incredible balance.
pat52010 1 year ago
@pat52010 I think he meant that it must have taken incredible balance due to how hard Hogan swung. But you're right, balance during the golf swing isn't the hardest thing to do with the swing.
GrecoPrawDG 1 year ago
The narrator is clueless, it will do more harm than good if you listen.
AlexCzervic 1 year ago
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lighter902 2 years ago
iv gotta say that this is the first youtube video iv ever seen where people arnt arguing like 3 year olds about things that have nothing to do with the vid. Personally, iv tried this method before (im 15 years old) and its worked out quite well after you get the hang of it, but if you dont take time to get your hands, torso, and legs right it will play hell with your hits. For less experienced golfers (such as myself) i recommend that you stick to what your instructor (if you have one) has said
hhhsks 2 years ago
a master of his craft
golfswagga23 2 years ago
...neither his hips or shoulders were parallel to the target line. -__- I hate when people draw random lines that mean absolutely nothing.
mxlevi456 2 years ago 26
Yeah that left shoulder isn't open at all(hah) just about 20 degrees.Thats with the long clubs,even more open the shorter they get.This was pre-arranged to help w the hip turn and clearing.
secrettogolf 1 year ago
Line drawers are by nature dipshits.
AlexCzervic 1 year ago
@mxlevi456
closed stance
open shoulders
i concur
golfershane 1 year ago
@golfershane he closed his stance when hitting woods and progressively opened it more and more as he went through the bag
McFrosty2014 1 year ago
@mxlevi456 Sir , his hips and shoulders ARE parallel to the target line..his feet are in a closed position ....I do not undersatnd your comments.
paulyrulo 1 year ago
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he was hitting variety of shots fades draws straights so feet position is bound to change
johnc12344321 1 year ago
@mxlevi456 your right in his book it almost seems as if he incourages having a closed stance on a driver.
holyrocnroll 1 year ago
@mxlevi456 He's not a freakin machine! his lines are parallel to his target line. they are not exact.
MrExplosiveTV 11 months ago
Tiger.. You never had to face the likes of Hogan at his prime. he would have waxed your wimpy ass
acershund 2 years ago
Tiger, are you disguised as mj102919 ?! I'm disgusted at what you did to your family you cheating pig! Ironic that you are watching a clip of a true gentleman....
mikenaude 2 years ago
Interesting comments about the "draw-fade" ball flight. I can honestly say that I have played a draw that reaches pinnacle and falls as a fade. I don't know how or why this happens but it does......but surely not everyday. On days I hit a "FaDraw" (3outof10rounds) as I call it, I always shoot between 63 and 68. On day I can't seem to hit the "FaDraw" (7outof10 rounds), I shoot between 72 and 78. People are shocked to see the ball flight on days I hit it.Wish I knew how so it could be everyday.
mj102919 2 years ago
nett
ahnowhere 2 years ago
@mj102919 This is fascinating. I have hit this shot too, but its rather rare for me. And I've never done it on purpose. I had assumed it must have been the wind (and surely sometimes it is). But I think this may be possible, if the AXIS of rotation of a freely spinning body can ITSELF rotate (think about it for a minute). A spinning top sometimes does this, and not when it is wobbling and about to fall. It spins fast, while at the same time, its axis, if tilting, slowly rotates.
maxfiglio 9 months ago
That's hogan talking!!!!
ericld11 2 years ago
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That is Clem Darracott who actually took this video and produced the dvd 'In Pursuit of Perfection" This is the video and unless Bingo received permission from the copyright holder, this posting is a violation of YouTube policy. Its a great video.
mcctee 1 year ago
@mcctee I bet Clem has made plenty of Hogan's name and golfswing! How about yourself mcctee ? You made plenty right? And your mate Trolio with his single shift swing claiming Hogan's secret!!! Why not let the masses enjoy the great mans swing without you bullshitting money hungry twats being dikwads
benhoganfan 1 year ago
You should be ashamed of yourself. I am embarrased that you even call yourself a 'benhoganfan' with this kind of foul mouthed rant. The financial costs of producing something for distribution to fans is enormous and I have no apologies for trying to recover actual costs. Your comments are unacceptable.
mcctee 1 year ago
Anybody know who the narrator is on this video? Sounds like he may have known Hogan personally.
zakmichaeldavid 2 years ago
The narrator is Clem Darracott, the man who took the video at the 1967 Masters. Mr. Darracott is a gentleman and really did all of us Hogan fans a huge favor in publishing his film.
mcctee 1 year ago 21
True, Hogan did have an inside square inside arc. He also played with an open stance from about a 6 iron up which obviously promotes a fade, generally though the plane of his swing allowed the clubhead to come in at a relatively shallow angle which also promotes a lower flight. Hogan played all his standard shots from the same position relative to his left foot, only his right foot moved but note that this is just right about where the clubhead starts on the inside again hence the 'Hogan fade'
GangstaYST 2 years ago
Nobody can hit a ' draw fade '. However, Hogan at impact had the club ever so slightly coming back on the inside and ever so slightly open we are talking fractions of a degree here this is what gave hist shots that characteristic low left to right flight. Hogan could play any shot he wanted though, his understanding of the game was phenomenal and i don't believe there were many shots that he didnt have a clear idea in his head how to play and he could execute his ideas beautifully
GangstaYST 2 years ago
I agree GangstaYST. I believe if you were to take a close look at Hogan's divot, you would find that it would start pretty square and turn ever so slightly to the left. This insisde to inside path can only happen if one is perfectly on plane. It's no wonder he could hit any shot he wanted. I could too if I swung that well on plane.
pcakesxl 2 years ago
BurleyGolf Be satisfied with what you know..I believe you. Others that just try and provoke, are just there to distract you from your intended purpose..be confident and stand....No need to prove yourself to those that don't agree..see ya....
prayerwarr10r 2 years ago
I'm not trying to provoke anyone and what does north texas have to do with a knucklefade? If he wants to sell any books he better prove himself. That said, why is this on the hogan swing page and not on the blakeburleygolf page?.......Hmmm, bet you can't hit it. THE KNUCKLEFADE IS NOT A SECRET.
AlexCzervic 2 years ago
What ever makes you sleep better @ night.. Show me some proof other than the person you are getting your information up in North Texas is telling you. I've seen Hogan hit it..
blakeburleygolf 2 years ago
Are you saying that Hogan basically hit a draw (right to left) that at the end of the shot became a fade (left to right) and dropped right???
That really seems impossible to do with a real ball. I've done it with foam balls without dimples, but I don't believe that is possible.
Please explain.
DeniedHealthCare 2 years ago
I want you to do something for me, please! Before we start to argue go look at some of the videos on Youtube of Hogan, watch where his ball starts and watch whats int he back ground. Rember he could hit any shot, but we are talking baout the shot that made him famous. Let me know what you see, in the other video's
blakeburleygolf 2 years ago
Hogan shot was a shot that started 1 to 2 yards right of the target and looked as if it dre back to flag and fell right at the end. Just in case some people might of thought it started left and came back right. Hogan could hit every shot though, and the shot I described above was the shot that made him famous. Its not a hard shot to hit if you are on proper angles, and achieve low point.
blakeburleygolf 2 years ago
so ur saying he hit a push fade? and yes he did hit a fade...he had the club open at adress and open at the top of the golf swing......he hated left no doubt but his swing was built to draw the ball..if he had not had the face open at adress and at the top of the backswing he would have been a drawer of the golf ball
steelerfn 2 years ago
I'm saying the ball was struck from an inside angle of attack, with an open club face and the ball started right of target line. The shot appeared to draw back and Fade or fall right toward the end of the shot. I talk about this in my new book its called a Shallowett shot made famous by Hogan.
blakeburleygolf 2 years ago
Did you rewrite the laws of physics as well, or did you just appear to?
AlexCzervic 2 years ago
No im not that great @ physics but I am in teaching the some of the best players in the world. Talking to other about Hogan's ball flight whom he played with, and seing Hogan as a kid.. I would say I am on the right track. The ball travels up the plane and as it looses int's spin falls of the plane to the right. You might want to do a little more research on ball flight laws.
BurleyGolf-
blakeburleygolf 2 years ago
Starts right, draws then falls right? No way, at best you are mistaken which implicates your powers of observation. I suggest you learn, observe and properly apply the laws of Physics instead of inflicting the naive with your hogwash.
The knuckle-fade is a simple adjustment, Hogan wasn't the first to use it, just the best. Why?because he was Ben Hogan.
AlexCzervic 2 years ago
Its called a knuckle-fade thats not what happens and thats not how it is struck.
AlexCzervic 2 years ago
you may be right blake but i have a hard time believing hogan or anybody for that matter hit a draw fade...maby its possible i dont know but ive never seen it done...unfourtunatly im to young to have had the privelage to watch hogan hit inperson i imagine its was spectacular....id love it but all i have is video of him to watch
steelerfn 2 years ago
Atleast we have video, just think if Hogan was before Bobby Jones... We would have nothing but word of mouth. Glade to see younger generation still watching Hogan..
blakeburleygolf 2 years ago
Hogan was the man. That said, a draw fade, as I understand it, does not exist. Without the aid of the wind, a ball can not turn to the left then turn back to the right.
pcakesxl 2 years ago
Great video showing how flat but on plane his swing was
becks982 2 years ago
The commentator is the person shooting the 8 mm movie camera - his name is above. He was a dentist. Mr. Hogan let him take these movies without ever realizing how much play they would receive over time. Hogan haunts us all - with his incredible athleticism.
lpgahf9 2 years ago
who is doing the commentary on this?
irish31794 2 years ago
at address his shoulders hips and knees are open.....and his feet are closed........maybe there is a clue there?
11carraghers 2 years ago
Thanks for agreeing with me.
moneygob 2 years ago
everyone does.
moneygob 2 years ago
Turn away from the target with the left arm and shoulders, and hit through the ball with the right arm. Hogan said that he wished he had three right arms at impact for more power. The reason he felt that was because he had a delayed release into the ball which gave him that awesome lag into the ball. It is deceivingly a very powerful swing.
1tontomato 2 years ago
If you do this right, it feels effortless at impact. It feels as if you hit a cotton ball. It's an eye opener.
1tontomato 2 years ago
Hogan released with his right because if you release w the left you lose the bow in your left hand/wrist and the bend in your right hand /wrist.This also keep the lower case y not a capital Y formed by the hands and arms.
secrettogolf 2 years ago
you pull back with the arm that is facing the target for me that is left just like most player........others it is right like phil mickeolson
godzillal123321 2 years ago
This footage was shot at Augusta National during Masters week in 1966, the year Hogan shot 66 in the third round. He later commented he hit the ball very well during this tournament week.
lpgahf9 2 years ago
Hi,
This clip is from 'In Persuit of Perfection' dvd by Clem Darracutt *narrator, videographer and producer) and was shot in 1967 at the Masters. It is similar to the clips in 'The Ben Hogan Collection' dvd set also filmed in 1967. Great stuff.
mcctee 2 years ago
Has anyone ever heard that Hogan had a very tight wrist cock.Not a tight grip but a very tight angle in his wrist cock,which was said to create alot of power.
secrettogolf 2 years ago
doesn any know what year this was?
middie8 2 years ago
was from the video pursuit of perfection at augusta national.
talbotcc 2 years ago
Well said Brown.Elbows close to the body also allwos for better unity along the entire torso;opening to the target with great timing.Not to mention working the ball with your swing not grip.
secrettogolf 2 years ago
if u see his setup from the front his right arm always points to his opened up left foot :D
Farsigh 2 years ago
You know that feeling that U get at the range where your in a zone;no conscious effort,just a feeling U are hitting the ball,then to varying degrees it's lost when you play next.I finnally figured out the key keeping a large degree of this feel.The most consistent golfer have a steeper downswing than their back swing.This is the weight shift to the front and the arms dropping in the slot.Furyk is an extreme example of this,Niclaus,Hogan + Mo less but you wil find it.Just a base for details 2b+
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RyanMcGouirk 2 years ago
Trust me you can use parts of Hogan's keys for any golf swing such as the lower body(I start my downswing by thinking of my right knee breaking to target). The hands should never be starting the downswing! And a one piece golf swing for me starts with a slight forward press with knees(lower body) and hands...this is one way of getting everything going back together. Alot of pros use this move to produce rythmn.
pat52007 2 years ago
Nicklaus was a upright two planer meaning he needed to keep the club "in front of him". Hogan is a text book one planer or rotary swinger. Nicklaus' swing requires a more "one piece" takeaway hence he stresses the shoulders and hips before the hands. Hogan swings around his spine angle so the club must work much more inside hence the hands and arms come first. Both methods are valid. If you are an upright swinger than Hogan's method will destroy your swing and vice versa. Know your swing type.
pcakesxl 2 years ago
Hogan is moving forward before his backswing finishes,that is his weight transfer begining.This allows him to drop into the slot and then really go at the ball.He actually makes a slide to the left before he rotates his hips.
On another note it's interesting how Nicklaus and Hogan differ on the order of movements in the swing.Hogan says hands,shoulders,hips on the backswing, then the opposite on the downswings.Nicklaus say feet ,hips,shoulders,hands,then the same order in the downswing.
secrettogolf 2 years ago
yep it is hogans early weight transfer while still winding his upper body which creates the lag.
youthbus 2 years ago
youthbus, beautifully put, misunderstanding from alot of people that hogan is actually moving forward before his backswing is complete.
jjmquant 2 years ago
The arm across his chest actually works to rotate his upper body as a single unit.With his arms stuck to the side of his chest the left arm movement created a well positioned arm position in relation to his body.
secrettogolf 2 years ago
Karlipbaum - Did U get my email?
secrettogolf 2 years ago
compact flat swing, weak grip, high finish = a beautiful fade. I know because it's exactly what I play, thanks to imitating Hogan.
foamjack 2 years ago
his swing isnt flat though
hes on plain
youthbus 2 years ago
youre a duche bag
snackpac7 2 years ago
nice spelling
foamjack 2 years ago 2
hogans grip allows hin to make such a nice swing. v of right hand at the chin - you see other great ball strikers in same postion. v at chin means palm of right faces target. his left v points at right eye.
as he said in his book - hand s fit toghter like puzzle pieces. alos, not many today put the club hihg in the hand llike he did.
donlarsennn 2 years ago
in front of you not in the sense that it is literally still in front of you but at the top of the swing the left arm has rounded up and the right arm has bent at the elbow. yes that would be the sensation that im describing. if you released your wrist cock it would be in the same position as it was at address, just in front of your chest. Its never literally in front of you or esle you havent taken the club back. its an expression describing the relationship to the body, its in the same spot
agbeck121 2 years ago
nice swing
loren5475 2 years ago
Just a quick question, what do you think of hogans book, where he says that you must aim to keep the elbows together throughout the swing.
rgmmiller93 3 years ago
rgmmiller93
keeping the elbows as close as possible reinforces the upper arms staying connected to the torso. listen to the commentator at 4:05. At address i can just about touch my elbows together, but then the inner elbows are pointing up; the elbow joints should be pointing at the hips(per Hogan).
Keeping the arms against the torso does two things; keeps you from overswinging and allows the torso, as it is pulled by the hips, to throw the arms and hands.
bharnage 3 years ago
Thanks for the reply. I have just started to incorporate it in my swing, and it has worked wonders. If you could have a look at my swing and offer me any pointers that would be great.
rgmmiller93 3 years ago
elbows close to the body allows for the radius of the swing to be shorter which increases the angular acceleration which means club head speed
brown547 2 years ago
actually it allows the arms to fold correctly
11carraghers 2 years ago
ddd
pingbucket 2 years ago
Do everything youve heard about Hogan, then, move your right hand on top of the club, and hit great shots. He never mentioned this key factor.
pingbucket 2 years ago
the idea he was trying to convey with that image (the drawing of the elbows kept together with rope) was that the proximity of the elbows to each other shouldn't change. When that happens, the hinging of the right arm and hands, relative to each other, will be correct.
tenillechristine 2 years ago 2
he was very handsy. Swings like Olazabal.
moneygob 3 years ago
lol...he wasn't handsy, he just produced a lot of lag which made it look handsy, but throughout that swing they are very quiet
Shaitan4 3 years ago
what do u play off ?about 30 sounds like it
shortgamebull 2 years ago
No I'm a pro. Look at his follow through just past impact and you will see the club going round faster than his shoulders. Anyone who starts off in the old fashioned Y position and not the K position ends up handsy. You always set up a chain reaction in your golf swing and because of that Y address position your hands have to effectivly catch up with your arms, you then get a slight lag up the top, a classic late hit and your hands and club spinning round frantically to catch up.
moneygob 2 years ago
i am a pro too-u write all this crap on here like you want p[eople to think your smart-if hogan was handsy-then hell i want to be handsy too-how the fuck do u critisize that swing-u r kidding arent you
shortgamebull 2 years ago
So are you saying that the hands and clubhead should lead the turning of the shoulders?I sort of thought of it that way,yet more to keep the rear shoulder from coming out in front.Could U please define the Y position?
Thanks
secrettogolf 2 years ago
The shoulders should start turning as soon as your arms start moving, so in other words hands,arms,shoulders start moving at the same time. The k position is when your left arm and club shaft is in line or as near as damn it. By the way think shoulder rotation not tilting! Always turn against a firm right knee.
moneygob 2 years ago
Awsome swing, too bad so many experts with so many secrets to sell.
justlikemoe 3 years ago
Hogan's swing is the ultimate motion for golf. The more people study golfswing, more they respect Hogan. Awesome player and a true centleman !
fedorianko 3 years ago
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raina873 3 years ago
Swing is best ever seen. Too bad that commentator is total bull***t.
fedorianko 3 years ago
I have studied Hogan all my life and the guy that commented on Hogan's swing did the best job I have ever heard.
swolny1972 3 years ago 2
Great vid, by the way. Thanks for posting.
emncaity 3 years ago
its not directly on plane. if you drew a line from adress up through the shaft and into his belly button you would see the club is dead inside of that line then his hands get deap and inside and his left arm is across his chest
JohnMVarol 3 years ago
what plane you want him on? square, rectangle or what about a circle or maybe just a jet plane.More golf plane theories out there then airplanes ..dont worry i seen them all...point is the ball didn't give a fuck cause hogan got on the jet plane when it mattered
benhoganfan 3 years ago 2
on his downswing hes perfect on plane
foxysocks24 3 years ago
Believe me Hogan understood plane better than anyone who ever lived. His swing is the model for all-time. It cannot be done any better.
swolny1972 3 years ago
It's true that almost everybody's idea of "on plane" is based on a theoretical model that really isn't performable by the human body. It does bring up the question of how useful an idea of human motion can be, if it can never be anything but theoretical. Modern analyses of the swing have described the plane as "warped" to some extent, or even that there isn't really anything consistent enough to be a "plane" throughout the swing, only a "path" of the clubhead. I don't know.
emncaity 3 years ago
great swing.. boring commentary
dpolchin 3 years ago
I think this guys commentry is fine, The world is full of critics,why don't you put your money where your mouth is and show us how well you could do it :)
diddasterdlyonutube 3 years ago
yea but the guy knows his shit
lhwood777 3 years ago
Hogan club gets deep and behind him. He had so much God given talent that it did not matter. the correct golf swing is when the club stays infront of you because if it gets deep your toast.
JohnMVarol 3 years ago
uh no, it wasnt given any more talent then the rest of us, if you understand the swing you would know that he did this on purpose, and what it forced him to do was where the consistancy and power came from.
cmoney1988 3 years ago
by deep and inside do you mean hogan kept the club directly in front of him and dead on plane, not to mention square to the arc on which he swings? cuz thats what he did. theres no compensation move on the downswing, from his backswing so long as he holds the loft and rotates his left arm down, he cant miss a shot. tiger swings the same way hogan does ( yes i am comparing haney swing to hogan) and i dont know about you, but when i see that club twirl the ball ends up perfect, every time
agbeck121 3 years ago
How did something so critical to the swing ("in front of the body") get discovered only recently?
Actually, I think this jargon is really just another way of saying that swinging your arms without getting power from a coiling motion (or turning your torso, or using the core, or however you want to put it) is bad technique. That is, if you do turn the center of your body well, your arms _will_ appear to be "in front" of the chest, sort of (although that's not entirely true either).
emncaity 3 years ago
its not recent. its sarcasm and hogan has been writing this in his books since he learned to swing a club. Im not saying that using coiling motion is wrong, in fact the only way you can properly transfer your core energy to the ball is if the club maintains its original relationship to the body established at address, hence the in front of the body. Afterall, its all about returning the club to the EXACT starting position, and if the club never gets behind you, that shouldnt be too hard.
agbeck121 3 years ago
True, the club should never get "behind" you in an extreme sense, but it's impossible to keep the "same" relationship to the rest of the body as at address. I know that "in front of" language has been a big deal for some time, and it's true to a point, but it causes many amateurs to lift the club way out of plane because they don't understand the club does need to move rearward relative to the target line, and across the body (toward the trailing side), arms rotating onto plane.
emncaity 3 years ago
Another way of putting this "keeping the club in front of you" thing is to say that the torso should support and enable the arm swing and allow it to proceed on the right plane, which is to say the turn is as much to make room for and support a proper arm swing as it is to provide "coil." But the arms, hands, and club do change their relationship to the center of the body somewhat as compared to address.
emncaity 3 years ago
Well they shouldnt. Tiger Hogan and Immelman all follow a similar theory in the sense that as they go back, their right arm bends at the elbow up and down, not side to side. The club is in the same relationship to your torso, your wrists are cocked and the club is rounded back. It never leaves it's original relationship with the body, im telling you i know this stuff and its in hogans books
agbeck121 3 years ago
I guess it all depends on what you mean by "same" relationship. If you take that literally, the club couldn't set; the butt end would still be looking at your navel or to the lead side of it. And the arms also change their relationship to the body, depending on what you mean by "same."
emncaity 3 years ago