the reaction time it takes to Shoryuken-> fadc -> Ultra on command is impressive. Not to mention this full combo is only possible after a counter hit(full ultra version that is). I would pressume he new he got the counter hit just by watching honda and not the pop up that says "counter hit". Edma is the best ken player ive seen.
@retnuHDJ looks to me like ken didn't quite clear honda with his short tatsu, and the honda did his wakeup command grab, and whiffed, because ken jumped.
@howtoread I just had a great show idea. So, a well-known player/team of players randomly chooses a group Youtube viewers who say they suck in a game to play against them in said game. If it's an OCV, the Youtubers lose their privilege to say shit ever again...or something like that. In this case, a team of Mike Ross & Ed Ma vs. Lol, that would be a truly fantastic show.
Counter hit fierce DP > FADC > Ultra will give you all of the hits.
If you were paying attention, you'd notice that Edma delayed the uppercut after two low jabs in order to bait a poke, so he could CH it and get the full Ultra. Don't just assume it was luck, far from it.
He still has a long way to go though, but I hope he grows.
Yea, I enjoyed edma's ken to, just because there so little good kens. Everyone uses akuma, so its not even that fun watching them anymore. Its also hard being the best lol.
But yea, its a good choice for him. And he wants to be serious and win competitions now so yea
I agree but Ken has way too many bad matchups. For example against Sagat, it's like 7-3 whereas w/ Akuma the matchup is 5-5. The switch was smart, it got him 3rd place at Evo.
That was a close match. I think you can tell that Edma was getting nervous near the end when he decided to end it with a safe sweep rather than a combo. Also, surprised at the effectiveness of the wake up head butt.
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This is a really good Ken, most ppl underrate him becuz of his uppercut. In the right hands hes better than Ryu hands down. Dragon Boy is still the best Ken out there tho.
I know I took back my original saying..it was wrong...I was just an old school player from 1994 arcade where throwing had a cheap idea around it..made the leap all the way to SF4...so I learned the new ways of playing...I admit I was wrong cause I'll throw a player like a mother fucker if I have to
Yeah, if the first shinshoryuken hit misses, it is just a shinshoryuken like from SF3, but not as damaging. If you see, he times it right so that instead of launching into the ultra right after, he waits until honda drops a little to be caught in that first hit.
dats not true. you only get the full ultra when u COUNTER HIT the opponent, EX shoryuken or not,although u do have to FADC on the second hit of the fierce/EX shoryuken
ken can only juggle into full ultra on a counterhit while ryu can do it whenever he wants. He also can do it off an anti-air SRK or sometimes off trading SRK. He ALSO has other combos like EX TATSU in corner to super.. ken has none of those. ken also doesn't have the same fireball game... ..AT ALL... that RYU has.
sajid is right. You are close but wrong Papa. NORMALS build meter as you described. specials will build meter no mater what.. but they build more on hit than on whiff.
Just cause a lot of noobs play ken doesn't make him noob friendly. He's just one of the original common characters everyone thinks about when they hear street fighter. Just like Ryu. There are noobs of every character u idiot. And not a lot of people play ken online. I haven't played against a lot of kens.
ive noticed alot more different ppl use alot more different characters. i mainly face more ryus than ken's than when da game came out.i think its just as time goes on,ppl become better at the game and therefore want to be better with other characters.like me i was a ken user,i am now both a ken and rufus =]
whats the flowchart of ken? the lotsa hadouken then shoryukens? there are alot off ken/ryu players online who can fight you "decently" u just need to find em. dont use the word "everyone" ur already generalizing. and if anyone fights u like a noob try to forget any "advance" way of fighting u know cus most of the time it dosnt work against spammers just do basic stuffs ^_^ plus fighting alot of ken/ryu should mean u wont have any problems against them.
flowchart of ken,and the battle begins.... FIGHT!!.. jump back, hadoken, shoryuken, miss, another shoryuken, lets do it 5 more times. grab and shoryuken its annoying. naw i have no problems against them you actually gotta see the flowchart... lately theres been lots of vegas and balrogs.. im on xbox live maybe its different for ps3
i think it also depends on the country cus where im from i usually fight alot of sagats more than anyone. yeah ive been seeing alot of balrogs recently
i believe its because special moves build up ex meter
most pros try to do special moves of any kind in "down" time so they can have the edge. e.g. daigo jumping backwards and before landing doing tatsu, just small things like that
no... that was the case in 3rd strike, but in SFIV it only works if the special move hits the opponent (even if its blocked, but it has to hit their body). instead, they made your ultra bar rechargeable by taking hits while charging your focus attack. notice when honda absorbs hadoukens his ultra bar goes up. not that many people know this yet, but its a great way to build up ur ultra bar before the battle has even started if u can be careful about it.
hell yea dude i thought everyone knew about it. but you cant absorb to many fireballs to the point where half your life is regenerating then you get cocky get hit and your at 40 or 30 percent life. lol i made that mistake when i first started playing
i could have sworn the reason ken wasnt high tier was cause he couldnt fadc into ultra. so 2:15 really didnt happen ROFL. Why is ryu better again? lets not forget you could link super into ultra with ken neither(has to be against the wall, unless you can dash really fast).
I was using Boxer and started an Ultra after a whiffed Ken shoryuken (he was at the top coming down from fierce shoryuken)and somehow he not only his the ground, but shoryukened me out of the ultra. I have no idea how he did that being in mid air with me right up on him ready to juggle with the Kick(KKK) ultra
fucking seriously, That was hondas ultra alll fucking day long. What i notice though is that it only does that shit for fuckin ryu and friends, if it was chun li or guile it would have hit. Funny thing is i was playing last nite with a friend and he ultra'd with balrog to juggle me in the air(i was jumping in with akuma) and the game paused for a quick second and warped me to the fuckin ground so i can block. It sounds crazy yea but how come ONLY ryu and friends get away with that bullshit.
Japanese and Americans have very different play styles. Neither is better or worse, just different. Being in another region of America or Japan can give you a different play style. You learn from the people you fight. Seeing the competition on Street Fighter 4 from around the world this year, it can be anyones guess as to who will win. I've seen Korea's Poongko and he is incredibly versatile with a variety of characters. His execution of combos are very good too. It's a good year for SF!
Well played Honda. The odds were against Honda seeing as his weakness are Shotos. He seemed to get around the fireballs with relative ease. The Ken though punished Honda's mistakes very well and kept the pressure up. Being a Honda player myself, It's understandable that he has a lot less he can use to punish mistakes. Using him takes a lot of predicting the other character and using moves that leave him open. If he guesses wrong, he eat a combo. Ken has more options. Very close and good matches.
Japanese people tend to be better players due to their culture in japan, a pro gamer in america is way different than a pro gamer in japan. in japanese culture someone who devotes their life to becoming the best street fighter playever in existence is supported and encouraged, while in america if someone brought the idea of devoting their life to a video game they would most likely be laughed at. not to mention most video games were born in japan or anything.
Both of you have made valid points, but i wouldnt go so far as to say all Japanese players are better than American players.
There is reason to be impressed by the fast paced play styles, solely because it shows how familiar the players are with the character of choice.
However, there is a point to the fact that most of the top ranked players are Japanese, and that until they are beaten, Americans cant really say otherwise.
I would like to see more E.Honda players though. =)
You sure? From watching this vid, it seems like Ed's getting free f+mk after headbutt. But even when he's down to a sliver of life, he still does it? Maybe being the smartest player isn't as important as being the most patient.
yea but this is the first year japan has usa players in there top 10. like justin wong gootecks edma and mike ross... sooo yea u can respond when ever u want but usa is fierce this year bra.
You should probably take the time to find out WHY the Japanese were better in past games. It's not just because they are Japanese and have some natural Street Fighter skills we don't have in America. SF4 is a new game, and I think the US has a good chance of beating Japan.
Well I didn't really mention why they are better, but if you look at why, then I think it will support even moreso that Japan would easily win. The competition on Japan is so incredibly fierce, the gameplay displayed here was already surpassed in maybe the first week of the game's release in Japan. Now of course, since this is 3 months old, these players improved but then look at HOW many elites are in Japan and how much those guys would have improved? The odds are so incredibly stacked.
you have no idea what you're talking about, the only reason you think the japanese are superior is because you see far more aggressive gameplay and assume it's better because its more fast paced
there is such a thing as cultural style in street figher. im not making a judgement either way but you don't even have reasons why you think japan is better. "hurk a durk look at why dey r better even tho i dont no hurk a durk"
I didn't think it was necessary to provide a reason for something so obvious. It also doesn't have much to do with the fast paceness of the matches, though it is definitely true that those players are far better critical thinkers and can act more quickly with the correct counter to the situation.
Japan's yomi is on a whole different level compared to the US. Their execution is vastly superior, their k nowledge, their reaction. If you don't see this, then you are deluded.
Another thing is that the LAYERS of mindgames far exceed that of American gameplay, and the reason for this is that the Japanese know how to(and are able to) counter far more things than the American players can. This allows mindgames to exceed to much higher levels.
at 0:45. did the game automatically switch the direction of the ultra or is there some way to keep the charge and pull of a move in the other direction?
the game has a really relaxed input timing. you can input the commands for a flying headbutt and if you're getting crossed up the game will auto-correct it for you.
no what happens is...u holding back with your charge attack gives you your charge....when they jump over ur charge is turned into the opposite direction so the other player does the other motion you jus hold back and press punch
First, it's called 'karathrowing'. It was also in 3rd strike.
second, between jumping, techs, and reversals, there's no imbalance there. Ken's the worst shoto in the game. People are saying dan could seriously be better.
That Ken player is a beast!
Kajoshiki 9 months ago
the reaction time it takes to Shoryuken-> fadc -> Ultra on command is impressive. Not to mention this full combo is only possible after a counter hit(full ultra version that is). I would pressume he new he got the counter hit just by watching honda and not the pop up that says "counter hit". Edma is the best ken player ive seen.
illskill6 1 year ago
Am i crazy or Ken tried Raging Demon at 4:33 ?
BananaMate 1 year ago 2
@BananaMate he just tried to bait honda. they do it to look like they're throwing a fireball or something
hundredprizm 1 year ago
@BananaMate
no its just because some normals can counter hondas headbutt. if he does the headbut, he gets punished by a simple light punch or something else.
TheManowarBabsi 1 year ago
chuck norris woulda done it faster
sephiroth12345678 1 year ago
Mike Ross's honda looks like trash in this vid.
jmonkey21 1 year ago 2
@jmonkey21
it doesnt help that he always faces shotos, which are usually hondas worst match up
Deluster1 1 year ago
@jmonkey21
but monkey is right... what about those random ultras?... WTF
TheManowarBabsi 1 year ago
Wow, that ken really mixes his game plans pretty damn good.
Hayse1q1 1 year ago
Edma Ken has a great mixed game, insert srk cancel to ultra seamlessly
aFasterGun 1 year ago
not enough HHS
jacko12345 1 year ago
0:41 - Can anyone tell me what happened there? They seemed to switch sides very quickly...
retnuHDJ 1 year ago
@retnuHDJ looks to me like ken didn't quite clear honda with his short tatsu, and the honda did his wakeup command grab, and whiffed, because ken jumped.
lordteejay89 1 year ago
Ah ok. I thought ken had switched sides with the short tatsu, then suddenly he was back on the other side again. It was confusing :P
retnuHDJ 1 year ago
Fast switch, can only be done vs Sagat Vega and Honda
aFasterGun 1 year ago
Thanks man, never knew that! Never had a Ken do that to my Honda... Obviously haven't faced any decent Ken players yet! :D
retnuHDJ 1 year ago
1:18 best fake out ever!
Splurgendii 2 years ago 3
Mike has gotten better than this since then.
That 19 Hit combo finished with Ultra from Ken was ILL.
AlexOFranco 2 years ago
1:15 the bane of my existence.. E.Honda's dreaded command grab.
Splurgendii 2 years ago
lol at people saying Ed Ma and Mike Ross are bad players
howtoread 2 years ago 20
@howtoread I just had a great show idea. So, a well-known player/team of players randomly chooses a group Youtube viewers who say they suck in a game to play against them in said game. If it's an OCV, the Youtubers lose their privilege to say shit ever again...or something like that. In this case, a team of Mike Ross & Ed Ma vs. Lol, that would be a truly fantastic show.
CNRhKXtreme 1 year ago
@howtoread erm lol at you mate
Mature 1 year ago
What's a link match?
CantThinkOfANameTbh 2 years ago
Ah it's at the arcade.
CantThinkOfANameTbh 2 years ago
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Well same old ken as soon as u come within 3 feet of him, the players like OMG! quik a dragon punch
luchador888 2 years ago
wats the matter, been jumping in on shoto's alot and just pissed off?
maybe i missed something, but im fairly sure most of his srk's hit
pikachu1070 2 years ago
his honda is too reckless
shinwoodley 2 years ago
His Honda is best in the States.
IamTheMaximum 2 years ago 6
Maybe NOW it is, but back in January when this was recorded he's a pretty bad honda.
wDawks 2 years ago
Yes it's I should know best I've lost to Mike Ross. ^_^
DarkestStealth 2 years ago
2:13 was a beauty
biggnoobb 2 years ago 2
sadly, more like luck : (
it never lands the first 3 hits like that.
RobCardIV 2 years ago
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crazedmodder 2 years ago
Counter hit fierce DP > FADC > Ultra will give you all of the hits.
If you were paying attention, you'd notice that Edma delayed the uppercut after two low jabs in order to bait a poke, so he could CH it and get the full Ultra. Don't just assume it was luck, far from it.
LeftyHangsLower 2 years ago
1:19
How did he do that? Does that move just naturally cancel into oichi throw?
papermarkis 2 years ago
it can cancel into any special move
3sPwner 2 years ago
its honda's kara throw.
vikas 2 years ago
nice cancel and ultra combo (ken)
Honmaru74 2 years ago
@ 4:15 that was a moment for wakeup ultra
Qurash 2 years ago
he wasted it already
BlitzWing553 2 years ago
I wish there was an option to auto hide video length. Once you see someone win set 1 at half time remaining, it gives away the rest.
razorcloud 2 years ago 32
Just watch fullscreend and don't move the mouse :D
vnvmonz 2 years ago 2
youtube wasn't made for fighting game matches.
philboiSRK 2 years ago
Its called full screening it.
accelerate08 2 years ago
@razorcloud
a) Fullscreen auto-hides it after a few seconds
b) It's not "who won" that matters, but "how they won". Then again, my perspective.
DemihumanGosu 1 year ago
@razorcloud If you just full screen it the time remaining won't be showing at all.
r0q 1 year ago
@razorcloud what i do is full screen it, don't touch my mouse, so you don't know who wins
sparty007 1 year ago
WTF at 1:58, that was bullshit!
iFail2 2 years ago
ya it was a good switch for him just miss his ken magic, least we got dr.chaos to dazzle us still
wanttoseeafight 2 years ago
He still has a long way to go though, but I hope he grows.
Yea, I enjoyed edma's ken to, just because there so little good kens. Everyone uses akuma, so its not even that fun watching them anymore. Its also hard being the best lol.
But yea, its a good choice for him. And he wants to be serious and win competitions now so yea
BryanV4 2 years ago
I myself like honda, but unfortunately, hes a one trick pony. Even mike ross himself stated everyone knows his tricks and he moved onto balrog.
brandonk129 2 years ago
its a shame ed ma switched to maining akuma. Akuma is awesome but watching his ken was just more fun.
wanttoseeafight 2 years ago
I agree but Ken has way too many bad matchups. For example against Sagat, it's like 7-3 whereas w/ Akuma the matchup is 5-5. The switch was smart, it got him 3rd place at Evo.
ieodksnw787 2 years ago
Absolutey brilliant. Edma is an amazing Ken player.
woodlandbunny484 2 years ago 2
great ass games
OGRedWill 2 years ago
anybody who hates on charge characters can suck a dick
OGRedWill 2 years ago 7
good fight between two good players!
I miss when Honda was scary from a distance :(
dasrik 2 years ago 2
Funny thing is he isn't scary at a distance or up close - Ken has a million ways of dealing with Honda up close.
Merknilash 2 years ago
I know ;_;
dasrik 2 years ago
That was a close match. I think you can tell that Edma was getting nervous near the end when he decided to end it with a safe sweep rather than a combo. Also, surprised at the effectiveness of the wake up head butt.
FlyThruDAir 2 years ago
Honda's ultra not hitting at 0:48 was total bullshit.
Merknilash 2 years ago 4
It is definately too hard to land. Has too much start up I think.
Sucks that some characters have much more useful ultras than others :/
retnuHDJ 2 years ago 2
It has a stupid amount of startup - if you catch someone in mid air they will have time to land and block even if they're right next to you.
Merknilash 2 years ago
agreed
ninjachipzanuff 2 years ago
I Agree
Shoryuken25 2 years ago
its why he's rocking the bottom tier baby
ninjachipzanuff 2 years ago
damn! that fierce shoryuken cancel to a ultra was crazy!
Wizdood 2 years ago
HOLY SH** 1:20 INSANE Kara pecial Throw, just insane.
malgab 2 years ago
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This is a really good Ken, most ppl underrate him becuz of his uppercut. In the right hands hes better than Ryu hands down. Dragon Boy is still the best Ken out there tho.
blackdude107 2 years ago
damn this is some good ass quality
simdon13 2 years ago
the ken is so sick
tonaaaaay 2 years ago
Intense match nice Ken
SideshowBob44 2 years ago
respect to mike ross from SF4 Australia.
maoriassassin187 2 years ago
is it true mike ross is mentally handicapped
kyanz43 2 years ago 6
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Legit253 2 years ago
1:20 was the shit
aznboikyle 2 years ago
True that.
realbodizzle 2 years ago
damn mike ross is off the hinges
GrettelsObsession 2 years ago
Ken's kara throws are plain sick. so many setups once you get the range down.
ieodksnw787 2 years ago
nothing rong with it at all but Ed Ma does throw a hel of a lot of times
ModernNosferatu 2 years ago
because karathrows are hard to see coming.
Pandaman64 2 years ago 6
Throwing too much doesn't exist in SFIV
DJRedrumofEPG 2 years ago 4
I agree
ModernNosferatu 2 years ago
it never did.
ryoaska1 2 years ago
Throwing too much is a concept of the past, when it seems like an abuse because people wouldn't know how to play and counter them. Tech them !
kraalizec 2 years ago
thats like saying "hes throwing too many hadokens"
T3hS14ppy 2 years ago
I know I took back my original saying..it was wrong...I was just an old school player from 1994 arcade where throwing had a cheap idea around it..made the leap all the way to SF4...so I learned the new ways of playing...I admit I was wrong cause I'll throw a player like a mother fucker if I have to
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squarez 2 years ago
throwing was cheap back on the original games lol, throw a couple low punches on a wake up and throw LMAO..
im bout to go play SF2 Hyper fighter right now lol
th3major 2 years ago
siiiiiick. i didn't know you could cancel sumo stomp into oicho
ZeroSumJ1 2 years ago
Both great players. Nice match.
DigitalShaolin 2 years ago
WTF! How did Edma get the whole ultra from ken? I thought it just did the shitty week one with just the shinryuken? That was some crazy shit!
dibdib012 2 years ago
it has to be a counter shoyruken to do the full ultra
moe5000 2 years ago
im not sure but i dont think thats tru. i think if you time it right. the opponent will be low enough to land a full one. im not sure though
iAMsanad123 2 years ago
ok cool thanks dude
dibdib012 2 years ago
maybe cus its on arcade cus i heard some things on arcade are different than console
davc41 2 years ago
oh ok
dibdib012 2 years ago
Yeah, if the first shinshoryuken hit misses, it is just a shinshoryuken like from SF3, but not as damaging. If you see, he times it right so that instead of launching into the ultra right after, he waits until honda drops a little to be caught in that first hit.
emperor1337 2 years ago
Ok cool
dibdib012 2 years ago
Combo only works on counter hit if you do it off hp shoryuken FADC i believe.
ZhangHe2369 2 years ago
Yeah I think youre right
emperor1337 2 years ago
EX dragon punch, cancel after second hit, focus dash, full Ultra
snizzsmkr 2 years ago
dats not true. you only get the full ultra when u COUNTER HIT the opponent, EX shoryuken or not,although u do have to FADC on the second hit of the fierce/EX shoryuken
MaceAce7 2 years ago
yeah you just do the fierce shoryuken 2nd hit fadc ultra. dont really need to do ex
AbuzzCriminal 2 years ago
1:57 what the crap? That's some huge hitbox
OrochiDomingo 2 years ago
haha!
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lolyougotpwned 2 years ago
ken can only juggle into full ultra on a counterhit while ryu can do it whenever he wants. He also can do it off an anti-air SRK or sometimes off trading SRK. He ALSO has other combos like EX TATSU in corner to super.. ken has none of those. ken also doesn't have the same fireball game... ..AT ALL... that RYU has.
sajid is right. You are close but wrong Papa. NORMALS build meter as you described. specials will build meter no mater what.. but they build more on hit than on whiff.
littlebopepe 2 years ago 3
it takes a good player to play ken. nuff said.
mgabruha 2 years ago
no it doesn't... ken is one of the most noob friendly players in the game.
chhrischin 2 years ago 5
no. you sound intelligent with your mouth shut.
mgabruha 2 years ago
lol you probably use ken right? tell me why the majority of players on SF4 online are ken noobs? because they all are noobs.
chhrischin 2 years ago
While ken is an easy pick up for noobs, takes a skilled player to stand a chance agaisnt the Hi tiers.
Narkomanden 2 years ago
and one of the weakest, so it isnt easy to play ken.
dibdib012 2 years ago
Just cause a lot of noobs play ken doesn't make him noob friendly. He's just one of the original common characters everyone thinks about when they hear street fighter. Just like Ryu. There are noobs of every character u idiot. And not a lot of people play ken online. I haven't played against a lot of kens.
xXRoxasKH2Xx 2 years ago
Not a lot of Ken's online? Are you sure we're playing the same game? :P:P:P
Seriously, at least 7 out of 10 matches are against Ken. (Thankfully mostly noobs and not beasts like Edma...lol)
leidbringer 2 years ago 5
lol not a lot of kens online.. your lucky.. but everyone who uses ken online just follows the flowchart.
AbuzzCriminal 2 years ago
ive noticed alot more different ppl use alot more different characters. i mainly face more ryus than ken's than when da game came out.i think its just as time goes on,ppl become better at the game and therefore want to be better with other characters.like me i was a ken user,i am now both a ken and rufus =]
MaceAce7 2 years ago
whats the flowchart of ken? the lotsa hadouken then shoryukens? there are alot off ken/ryu players online who can fight you "decently" u just need to find em. dont use the word "everyone" ur already generalizing. and if anyone fights u like a noob try to forget any "advance" way of fighting u know cus most of the time it dosnt work against spammers just do basic stuffs ^_^ plus fighting alot of ken/ryu should mean u wont have any problems against them.
assmasin6 2 years ago
flowchart of ken,and the battle begins.... FIGHT!!.. jump back, hadoken, shoryuken, miss, another shoryuken, lets do it 5 more times. grab and shoryuken its annoying. naw i have no problems against them you actually gotta see the flowchart... lately theres been lots of vegas and balrogs.. im on xbox live maybe its different for ps3
AbuzzCriminal 2 years ago
i think it also depends on the country cus where im from i usually fight alot of sagats more than anyone. yeah ive been seeing alot of balrogs recently
assmasin6 2 years ago
thats the noobs flowchart good players are not so predictable
darknessredefine 2 years ago 4
and yet. you still lose.
mgabruha 2 years ago
No, you don't just "forget" your advanced stuff. Most of the time that kills newer players.
Crossups on a beginner are hilarious. One knockdown= WIN
DJRedrumofEPG 2 years ago
Does anybody know why mike ross does ochio wiff after ex headbutt?
Xenokaze 2 years ago
i believe its because special moves build up ex meter
most pros try to do special moves of any kind in "down" time so they can have the edge. e.g. daigo jumping backwards and before landing doing tatsu, just small things like that
sajidnoob 2 years ago 2
no... that was the case in 3rd strike, but in SFIV it only works if the special move hits the opponent (even if its blocked, but it has to hit their body). instead, they made your ultra bar rechargeable by taking hits while charging your focus attack. notice when honda absorbs hadoukens his ultra bar goes up. not that many people know this yet, but its a great way to build up ur ultra bar before the battle has even started if u can be careful about it.
PapaLeGrand 2 years ago
many chun li's use that focus absorbing technique.
however, when i usually play as ryu, i spam lp shoryukens so i can build my meter in down time. just try it.
sajidnoob 2 years ago
hell yea dude i thought everyone knew about it. but you cant absorb to many fireballs to the point where half your life is regenerating then you get cocky get hit and your at 40 or 30 percent life. lol i made that mistake when i first started playing
rgustore 2 years ago
Wrong and bad.
Case and point: Pick Gief and spam KKK Lariat on the other side of the screen.
Flowend 2 years ago
cuz he kicks ass
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trayviongu 2 years ago
i could have sworn the reason ken wasnt high tier was cause he couldnt fadc into ultra. so 2:15 really didnt happen ROFL. Why is ryu better again? lets not forget you could link super into ultra with ken neither(has to be against the wall, unless you can dash really fast).
thejunkmanlives 2 years ago
I was using Boxer and started an Ultra after a whiffed Ken shoryuken (he was at the top coming down from fierce shoryuken)and somehow he not only his the ground, but shoryukened me out of the ultra. I have no idea how he did that being in mid air with me right up on him ready to juggle with the Kick(KKK) ultra
jdigitalseven 2 years ago
atleast its not only me seeing shit like that. Only with ryu and friends, i sear im about to test it lol.
thejunkmanlives 2 years ago
.47 is BS at its purest.. Ken already has top priority moves, guess he might as well have a psuedo air block as well.
jdigitalseven 2 years ago
fucking seriously, That was hondas ultra alll fucking day long. What i notice though is that it only does that shit for fuckin ryu and friends, if it was chun li or guile it would have hit. Funny thing is i was playing last nite with a friend and he ultra'd with balrog to juggle me in the air(i was jumping in with akuma) and the game paused for a quick second and warped me to the fuckin ground so i can block. It sounds crazy yea but how come ONLY ryu and friends get away with that bullshit.
thejunkmanlives 2 years ago
Gootecks Forums represent!
lolfreudian 2 years ago 2
Japanese and Americans have very different play styles. Neither is better or worse, just different. Being in another region of America or Japan can give you a different play style. You learn from the people you fight. Seeing the competition on Street Fighter 4 from around the world this year, it can be anyones guess as to who will win. I've seen Korea's Poongko and he is incredibly versatile with a variety of characters. His execution of combos are very good too. It's a good year for SF!
otakumoe 2 years ago
Well played Honda. The odds were against Honda seeing as his weakness are Shotos. He seemed to get around the fireballs with relative ease. The Ken though punished Honda's mistakes very well and kept the pressure up. Being a Honda player myself, It's understandable that he has a lot less he can use to punish mistakes. Using him takes a lot of predicting the other character and using moves that leave him open. If he guesses wrong, he eat a combo. Ken has more options. Very close and good matches.
otakumoe 2 years ago
Japanese people tend to be better players due to their culture in japan, a pro gamer in america is way different than a pro gamer in japan. in japanese culture someone who devotes their life to becoming the best street fighter playever in existence is supported and encouraged, while in america if someone brought the idea of devoting their life to a video game they would most likely be laughed at. not to mention most video games were born in japan or anything.
abcd286 2 years ago 2
ed is the best period. i wanna see and edma vs daigo match
DXIanXD 2 years ago 3
Both of you have made valid points, but i wouldnt go so far as to say all Japanese players are better than American players.
There is reason to be impressed by the fast paced play styles, solely because it shows how familiar the players are with the character of choice.
However, there is a point to the fact that most of the top ranked players are Japanese, and that until they are beaten, Americans cant really say otherwise.
I would like to see more E.Honda players though. =)
crasong 2 years ago
it would seem karate is still stronger then sumo!
fatezor 2 years ago
1:20 - You can cancel the stomp into an Oichi Throw??
kevincow25 2 years ago
mike ross is the smartest sf4 player. peroid
Proteq1 2 years ago 3
You sure? From watching this vid, it seems like Ed's getting free f+mk after headbutt. But even when he's down to a sliver of life, he still does it? Maybe being the smartest player isn't as important as being the most patient.
Mysticspyrall 2 years ago
lol
His honda is good but he is no Jap...The Japanese are by far the smartest players in the world.
Emillll 2 years ago
i think this year for street fighter we take it.
Proteq1 2 years ago
I'll respond to this video in September when the US gets blown out of SBO first round like what practically happens every year.
Emillll 2 years ago
yea but this is the first year japan has usa players in there top 10. like justin wong gootecks edma and mike ross... sooo yea u can respond when ever u want but usa is fierce this year bra.
Proteq1 2 years ago
You should probably take the time to find out WHY the Japanese were better in past games. It's not just because they are Japanese and have some natural Street Fighter skills we don't have in America. SF4 is a new game, and I think the US has a good chance of beating Japan.
JReyes624 2 years ago
Well I didn't really mention why they are better, but if you look at why, then I think it will support even moreso that Japan would easily win. The competition on Japan is so incredibly fierce, the gameplay displayed here was already surpassed in maybe the first week of the game's release in Japan. Now of course, since this is 3 months old, these players improved but then look at HOW many elites are in Japan and how much those guys would have improved? The odds are so incredibly stacked.
Emillll 2 years ago
you people are so full of shit
you have no idea what you're talking about, the only reason you think the japanese are superior is because you see far more aggressive gameplay and assume it's better because its more fast paced
there is such a thing as cultural style in street figher. im not making a judgement either way but you don't even have reasons why you think japan is better. "hurk a durk look at why dey r better even tho i dont no hurk a durk"
idiot
springbeak 2 years ago
I didn't think it was necessary to provide a reason for something so obvious. It also doesn't have much to do with the fast paceness of the matches, though it is definitely true that those players are far better critical thinkers and can act more quickly with the correct counter to the situation.
Japan's yomi is on a whole different level compared to the US. Their execution is vastly superior, their k nowledge, their reaction. If you don't see this, then you are deluded.
Emillll 2 years ago
Another thing is that the LAYERS of mindgames far exceed that of American gameplay, and the reason for this is that the Japanese know how to(and are able to) counter far more things than the American players can. This allows mindgames to exceed to much higher levels.
Emillll 2 years ago
Great performance from two top of the line players
TheTrueRex 2 years ago
at 0:45. did the game automatically switch the direction of the ultra or is there some way to keep the charge and pull of a move in the other direction?
KelgarNW 2 years ago
Edma's ken is relentless... and his command of that kara throw is amazing
datriadx18 2 years ago 4
Damn, Mike Ross makes Honda look sick.
Ever since SF4's been out, I've NEVER played against a Honda.
Peetar 2 years ago
E.Honda : wats up Sanosuke ! (headbutt)
petrovik 2 years ago
Wats up sanosuke i'll sit on U
lmfao
petrovik 2 years ago
holy fuck, @ 2:14 EdMa fucking shoryu > FADC > FULL!? Ultra?
Insane.. i must practice that.
jello1985 2 years ago 6
must counter hit in order to get full ultra...
shindavid07 2 years ago
seems like it works only on the counter hit on the fierce SRK
after4ffect 2 years ago
how do u charge attack someone in the right direction despite being crossed up?
sleepnabox 2 years ago
the game has a really relaxed input timing. you can input the commands for a flying headbutt and if you're getting crossed up the game will auto-correct it for you.
impur1ty 2 years ago
wow...dunno if that sucks or not...i guess it is what it is.
sleepnabox 2 years ago
IMHO: it sucks. takes the skill out of defending cross-ups. but sometimes you gotta roll with the punches
impur1ty 2 years ago
no what happens is...u holding back with your charge attack gives you your charge....when they jump over ur charge is turned into the opposite direction so the other player does the other motion you jus hold back and press punch
BStokes06 2 years ago
AH! so simple, i'm mad it went over my head. It just never seemed to happen b4. i guess (or i haven't seen it happen in other street fighters)
thanks.
sleepnabox 2 years ago
Why is it that no one likes sakura?
Mario59870 2 years ago
shes not in arcade ..yet
thisguyisdope 2 years ago
honda stomp to ochio that shit was dope
knowskill5 2 years ago 2
Well of course Dan is better, after all, he uses SAIKYO!!! XD
xchaosx97 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"sliding throw" is kinda bug which game creaters didnt expect.
specially for ken,
do throw as soon as "6 mK"(moving foward middle kick) motion started...
for most KEN players,they do below loop:
jump kick>down small kick>puch> if (hit) = shoryuken;if (not hit) = jump kick again, or sliding throw...
boring n imba n no need tech n kick ass,i know.but accept it cos they r not gonna fix it,and the over-powered sagat...
tallplay7777 2 years ago
lol... boring and IMBA!!! u say?... lol...
SundownPnP 2 years ago 2
First, it's called 'karathrowing'. It was also in 3rd strike.
second, between jumping, techs, and reversals, there's no imbalance there. Ken's the worst shoto in the game. People are saying dan could seriously be better.
Pandaman64 2 years ago 2