I just got my MC and was given two dvds to watch that were produced from eaton on how to use the RR Gearbox and yes the clutch has to be used although at 21 yrs of age im not using the clutch but yes the dvds from eaten say you must use the clutch to maximise gearbox life! anyway top vid!
I cant ever remember ever seeing a User Manual that said you only have to use the clutch in this Truck to go from Lo to Hi range etc. I have never had a driving instructor ever say to me, "Dont use the clutch unless its to go between the Hi and Low Boxes"....
all you guys crack me up ....... you guys are real good man ....... any truck driver that tells you that he never miss a gear is full of shit ..... it just happens from time to time
I still miss them from the time, I figure they are in there somewhere!. its usually when you have someone with you or someone's watching lol! Usually it happens when I go from the RR 18 speed to the Mack 18 speed. The bloke driving this (hello Davey!!) is just a shit driver!!!........ I'm sure i'll get a phone call after that comment, God help us if he ever becomes a driving instructor..........lol!
@E9525 HaHa yeah.. whenever I miss a gear its normally at the WORST fuckin time possible, either going up or down a grade ... orrr in front of a bunch of hot chicks... now thats the fuckin worst kind.
what do you reckon the crunch was from? The only times i ever hear a quick grating noise is when i try to put into a gear that im doing the incorrect speed for
um wabbles323 mate i know this truck an i know that driver an he dont have fuck all wieght on.. an if you know anything about driving you will know that once your moving you dont need your clutch(i have 750,000 k under my belt doing triple work) so i think i would know
I know the truck, I know the driver and I know how much weight (GVM 116-120T)we have never seen you in our lives at 85. The clutch is for taking off and stoping with a mack 18 or road ranger.
@625acert well have 750k under your belt doesnt really make you a veteran of the industry considering most drivers average 1 million km every 3 years.
autoshifts are the same as the manual box and they dont use clutch to shift, so there you go, that shows that if you know what your doing its not going to damage your box
an eaton auto shift, its the exact same box as the normal road ranger, but there is a computer connected instead of a gear stick and the computer does the shifts. its connected to the engine ECM and controls the revs so that it can get the changes right without grinding gears. the driver has to use the clutch to start and stop, thats all.
well im not familiar with the BMW lol. but i think the eaton ultra shift is the same idea as the auto shift but the ultra doesnt have a clutch pedal so it might be like that. like the volvo I shift
clutchless shifting can't be as bad on the tranny as any other way of shifting...trust me i'm a mecanic and i experienced it myself grinding gears even with double clutching...it's all a matter of syncronizing engine rev, actual speed and what gear you want to drop it in...a guy who really knows his truck could drive clutchless all his life and not break anything
hey mate when i started driving i was in a b double mack , i had to double clutch him and he had the twin sticks, then i was in an r model mack for about 5 years and never used to clutch on it , never grinded and gears as long as you have the revs up it will be fine , just dont slam the gears in let em slide in , now im in a t904 kenworth , i wouldnt even dare to change gears clutchless because its got a synchro , lol the good ole days...
yeah i guess the more modern trannies are picky if you don't use the clutch...especially spicers but eatons are not really fussy but then again like you said if you're banging in the gears and whatnot it's garranted you're gonna screw everything up
@MackvsKenworth 904 guessing eaton 18 speed manual?? should be able to change without clutch.. the only synchro should be high low range synchronizer clutch.
As per usual any army vehicle on the road is a pain in the arse and they can't drive a nail into a piece of wood. Stop wasting my taxes and harden up.
Forget all the excuses you blokes.. that guy is as rough as guts on the entire driveline, and the sooner he gets an auto, the better. A good driver needs to know alot more than just smooth gear changes.... he needs to know how to put on a good load that is well secured, keep it straight on skinny roads, manage his fatigue, and most of all look after the gear and behave like a professional... all of which are as important as each other.
That would be about right, typical car drivers view of trucks, mate you try driving a truck let alone a triple roadtrain, you ignorant bastards really need to stop giving truck drivers so much crap, these blokes stay awake all night and break laws so they can provide you with all the things you want and need, sure theyre are a few cowboys out there but hey, there are ALOT of stupid car drivers out there. So what if they grind a few gears, id like to see you clutchless change.....
Clutchless changing over time will eventually cause more wear and tear to the gearbox than using the clutch... That's why they installed a clutch in the first place
Clutchless gear changing... Its all in the timing, listening to the revs,load of the engine and knowing the road speed ( and what slot to put the gear stick in) Not feeling the love guys! What have I started? Army will go auto soon, no doubt you will see more broken army trucks on the back of tow trucks on a highway near you......
Seems alot of broken down Army trucks are piggybacked by civvies now.... guess it makes some drivers peeved off that they get less time/experience behind the wheel???
Some of them are rebuilt ones, end of the day its up to the movers how they want them shifted from A to B. The old Macks and unimogs are hell on a long trip!
reasons drivers dont double clutch(lazy) drivers who have never ground a pound(none)drivers who know it all(all)why drivers drive cause no one wants to work with a lazy know it all
first off we dont dubble clutch becouse were lazy,most of us dont use it at all unless we have to. and yes there are some that THINK they know it all, and also i drive becouse i love being out on tha open road,except for dealing with dumbasses like your self who think that drivers are so bad. were just doing our job and providing for our kids..like you do i would assume.....
whoa whoa whoa all the haterd its tongue in cheek it must be nice to drive trks that are new and your the only operator where i work you might have 3/4 people who climb into em we have to move fert trks 10 wheelers so everone relax drive like you like this is no call for sectarian violence bless be to all
how the hell do you miss gears on the flat with mack box, they're so slow compared to a road ranger, and yep pretty rough of the army to have a 470 pullin triples, poor little truck. haha
Bullshit. Only a incompetent mechanic would say that. Just to blame the driver for everything that goes wrong, when its his own fault. I forgot how to double clutch ten years ago, and I do haul heavy/oversize loads. Not that I want to be a trucker, its hard to do anything else anymore
now not to cause trouble but the clutch is there... use it! If you wernt supposed to use it it wouldnt be there. but i guess its all personal preference! and i know how it is once ya start drivin its hard to get away from it. it runs in my familly. Hey good luck to ya though... and hay im 10 10 on the side.
No offense, but the clutch is there to shift out of neutral into first or reverse. You dont need to grind any gears to shift at all. In my experience, those that insist on double clutching every shift are amateurs anyways. They wreck the transmission or wreck the truck. Priorities in the wrong place.
yup, and you cant really go far without the clutch without the gearbox fucking up... coz you have to get the revs in 25-30 hundred to shift up without the clutch and even then your fucked over
Looks like you know everything! Glad I didnt take offence LMAO
Why is it that a lot of the truckies you see "double clutch" when changing full gears?? It is because the gearboxes are designed to be changed that way. Match road speed with RPM and the gears will change smoothly.
This happens sometimes, i idouble clutch most of the time with heave loads but the mack im in desnt got a synchro so , double clutching in the r model is not realy needed. lol
He drives for the bloody ARMY - transporting armoured vehicles - one would think he would know what he's doing... but then again... looks like your right...
18 speed Mack box or T2180b, with the back to front splitter, sorry no syncro. The shift he messed up on was the low to high range and split change. which is always fun when the range syncro plays up. At least he wasn't Jake changing like some of the Cowbays i've seen!
Just cleanin' the teeth haha
slickstrings 2 months ago
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kayodayo12 3 months ago
They are not hard to find...they are in a box
pyrofella 5 months ago
happens to the best of us
chrisbristol 6 months ago
grind it till it fits!
zipper390 8 months ago
I just got my MC and was given two dvds to watch that were produced from eaton on how to use the RR Gearbox and yes the clutch has to be used although at 21 yrs of age im not using the clutch but yes the dvds from eaten say you must use the clutch to maximise gearbox life! anyway top vid!
JuniorT950 9 months ago
@JuniorT950 and i say, to maximize human knee life, minimize clutch use!
teamwounder 8 months ago
so how does yelling help him?
codenamecordon 11 months ago
He found em, he was just trying to round em.
Fighterofwars 11 months ago
I cant ever remember ever seeing a User Manual that said you only have to use the clutch in this Truck to go from Lo to Hi range etc. I have never had a driving instructor ever say to me, "Dont use the clutch unless its to go between the Hi and Low Boxes"....
Wrahns 11 months ago
/shiftem with the ethel pedel /oh and play warbirds online
1dogeez 1 year ago
how the hell can that thing pull it? where comes the porwer from?
123hardcoretyp 1 year ago
well 625ecert iv got 5.5 million ks under my belt with quad rd and triple rd
wabbles323 1 year ago
no good havin teeth if ya can't clean em.
MrAussietruckie 1 year ago
grind it till you find it
roberdude12345 1 year ago
all you guys crack me up ....... you guys are real good man ....... any truck driver that tells you that he never miss a gear is full of shit ..... it just happens from time to time
E9525 1 year ago 15
@E9525
I still miss them from the time, I figure they are in there somewhere!. its usually when you have someone with you or someone's watching lol! Usually it happens when I go from the RR 18 speed to the Mack 18 speed. The bloke driving this (hello Davey!!) is just a shit driver!!!........ I'm sure i'll get a phone call after that comment, God help us if he ever becomes a driving instructor..........lol!
bigredmonstatruck 1 year ago
@E9525 HaHa yeah.. whenever I miss a gear its normally at the WORST fuckin time possible, either going up or down a grade ... orrr in front of a bunch of hot chicks... now thats the fuckin worst kind.
oscarfish38 4 months ago
pretty badass
ilovemyford09 1 year ago
what do you reckon the crunch was from? The only times i ever hear a quick grating noise is when i try to put into a gear that im doing the incorrect speed for
TheRooSkittler 1 year ago
um wabbles323 mate i know this truck an i know that driver an he dont have fuck all wieght on.. an if you know anything about driving you will know that once your moving you dont need your clutch(i have 750,000 k under my belt doing triple work) so i think i would know
625acert 1 year ago
I know the truck, I know the driver and I know how much weight (GVM 116-120T)we have never seen you in our lives at 85. The clutch is for taking off and stoping with a mack 18 or road ranger.
bigredmonstatruck 1 year ago
@bigredmonstatruck um yeah thats cause i dont drive a green truck that a tax payer paid for so i can grind gears i have my own which i paid for....
625acert 1 year ago
@bigredmonstatruck just because you aint seen me dont mean i dont know who is driving.
625acert 1 year ago
@625acert what u on mate?this shit dont make sence u dnmb ass
bonzoAU 1 year ago
@625acert aww mate 750,000km your only still a L-plater every person knows you dont need a clutch when driving a truck
menz308 1 year ago
@625acert well have 750k under your belt doesnt really make you a veteran of the industry considering most drivers average 1 million km every 3 years.
crakrz17 1 year ago
@crakrz17 dude 1 million every 3 years i find that a lil hard but i know a few who have done it.. maybe 625 is a novice who cares
texast600 10 months ago
because with so much weight you need the clutch to change gears or youll tear the gearbox to shit
wabbles323 1 year ago
don't even know why you'd bother with that amount of weight using the clutch just pull it in and out of gear easier that way XD
TheRooSkittler 1 year ago
haha, good work cobba!!
ausroadtrain 2 years ago
that gotta hurt.
bradarel22 2 years ago
whats a clutch :)
powderfinger206 2 years ago
eaton fuller recomend ya dont use the cluch to change a full gear ,and a man from eaton told me that
britdemo 2 years ago
go to my page and see how they reccomend you drive. my videos beat your man from eaton.
baldymp3 2 years ago
yall are a bunch of pussies until you can float a quatbox
FireFighterrock24 2 years ago
They're all in there somwhere, just trap 'em in the corner before you grind the teeth off them
nigelandbozena 2 years ago
powerful
jamalakj 2 years ago
woooow,that was awesome
MrBentube 2 years ago
finest of our country's army haha
Truckaholic123 2 years ago
what do you expect from a 470 hp lol
linfox01 2 years ago
"HEY!" ????
xXP3CXx 2 years ago
that poor mack
bigpete405 2 years ago
is that a snorkel where a second stack would be?
nachos1990 2 years ago
there goes out ARMY boys.Where was this filmed?
bonzoAU 2 years ago
pressure, pressure pressure!
bet he's not missed a gear for months, then along comes a camera and oooopps!!
do2morenomatterwhat 2 years ago 2
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking too! Isn't that how it always works? LOL!!!
mongo5888 2 years ago
hey mackvskenwirth you are a wanker you never drove trucks in your life go back too school boy
TheKasual1 2 years ago
get back to them diamond reos hahaha
TheKasual1 2 years ago
typical 85 flogbaggs
TheKasual1 2 years ago
Jelous...
bigredmonstatruck 2 years ago 3
better build railway :)
KubikCv 2 years ago
the next challenge is getting it into the mcdonalds parking lot...
Butterfinger109 2 years ago
autoshifts are the same as the manual box and they dont use clutch to shift, so there you go, that shows that if you know what your doing its not going to damage your box
sgtdicko 2 years ago
when you say auto shift what do you exactly mean?? an automatic transmission???
detroitmansilver92 2 years ago
an eaton auto shift, its the exact same box as the normal road ranger, but there is a computer connected instead of a gear stick and the computer does the shifts. its connected to the engine ECM and controls the revs so that it can get the changes right without grinding gears. the driver has to use the clutch to start and stop, thats all.
sgtdicko 2 years ago
okay thanks for the info
detroitmansilver92 2 years ago
Similar to an smg trans in a BMW, but no clutch is needed to start/stop. :)
evoteck 2 years ago
well im not familiar with the BMW lol. but i think the eaton ultra shift is the same idea as the auto shift but the ultra doesnt have a clutch pedal so it might be like that. like the volvo I shift
sgtdicko 2 years ago
clutchless shifting can't be as bad on the tranny as any other way of shifting...trust me i'm a mecanic and i experienced it myself grinding gears even with double clutching...it's all a matter of syncronizing engine rev, actual speed and what gear you want to drop it in...a guy who really knows his truck could drive clutchless all his life and not break anything
detroitmansilver92 2 years ago 2
hey mate when i started driving i was in a b double mack , i had to double clutch him and he had the twin sticks, then i was in an r model mack for about 5 years and never used to clutch on it , never grinded and gears as long as you have the revs up it will be fine , just dont slam the gears in let em slide in , now im in a t904 kenworth , i wouldnt even dare to change gears clutchless because its got a synchro , lol the good ole days...
MackvsKenworth 2 years ago
yeah i guess the more modern trannies are picky if you don't use the clutch...especially spicers but eatons are not really fussy but then again like you said if you're banging in the gears and whatnot it's garranted you're gonna screw everything up
detroitmansilver92 2 years ago
@MackvsKenworth 904 guessing eaton 18 speed manual?? should be able to change without clutch.. the only synchro should be high low range synchronizer clutch.
Signaturegen2 1 year ago
As per usual any army vehicle on the road is a pain in the arse and they can't drive a nail into a piece of wood. Stop wasting my taxes and harden up.
ztmgtmmtm 2 years ago
Ahh pish posh!
bigredmonstatruck 2 years ago
Awsome grinding
jdyck4real 2 years ago
mog comes under medium rigid
redevils69 2 years ago
Forget all the excuses you blokes.. that guy is as rough as guts on the entire driveline, and the sooner he gets an auto, the better. A good driver needs to know alot more than just smooth gear changes.... he needs to know how to put on a good load that is well secured, keep it straight on skinny roads, manage his fatigue, and most of all look after the gear and behave like a professional... all of which are as important as each other.
robaveley 2 years ago 2
Most new trucks are going auto/synchro anyway...
TCFan25 2 years ago
That would be about right, typical car drivers view of trucks, mate you try driving a truck let alone a triple roadtrain, you ignorant bastards really need to stop giving truck drivers so much crap, these blokes stay awake all night and break laws so they can provide you with all the things you want and need, sure theyre are a few cowboys out there but hey, there are ALOT of stupid car drivers out there. So what if they grind a few gears, id like to see you clutchless change.....
teamakita 2 years ago
Clutchless changing over time will eventually cause more wear and tear to the gearbox than using the clutch... That's why they installed a clutch in the first place
TCFan25 2 years ago
ha ha,,it s alll good,,he may be a rookie
kala4200 2 years ago
typical army jerks they cant drive for shit
goliathtoad 2 years ago
Clutchless gear changing... Its all in the timing, listening to the revs,load of the engine and knowing the road speed ( and what slot to put the gear stick in) Not feeling the love guys! What have I started? Army will go auto soon, no doubt you will see more broken army trucks on the back of tow trucks on a highway near you......
bigredmonstatruck 2 years ago
Seems alot of broken down Army trucks are piggybacked by civvies now.... guess it makes some drivers peeved off that they get less time/experience behind the wheel???
TCFan25 2 years ago
Some of them are rebuilt ones, end of the day its up to the movers how they want them shifted from A to B. The old Macks and unimogs are hell on a long trip!
bigredmonstatruck 2 years ago
Does a Unimog come under Medium Rigid or Heavy rigid licence code (civvy).
Also why did the Army change the bonnet shape on the old Macks to a half octagon shape, as opposed to the square shape???
Are you Army?
TCFan25 2 years ago
reasons drivers dont double clutch(lazy) drivers who have never ground a pound(none)drivers who know it all(all)why drivers drive cause no one wants to work with a lazy know it all
wiccianway 2 years ago
first off we dont dubble clutch becouse were lazy,most of us dont use it at all unless we have to. and yes there are some that THINK they know it all, and also i drive becouse i love being out on tha open road,except for dealing with dumbasses like your self who think that drivers are so bad. were just doing our job and providing for our kids..like you do i would assume.....
my3406cat 2 years ago
geez u really sound like a ahhh knowitall. oh and just for your information, most drivers dont double clutch because its not necessary.
baldymp3 2 years ago
whoa whoa whoa all the haterd its tongue in cheek it must be nice to drive trks that are new and your the only operator where i work you might have 3/4 people who climb into em we have to move fert trks 10 wheelers so everone relax drive like you like this is no call for sectarian violence bless be to all
wiccianway 2 years ago
I thought the military used automatics anyways. Just so that there were less things to distract the driver in wartime conditions
tld5500 2 years ago
The yanks rely heavily on autos (ie. Deuce, Humvee etc.)... Besides they're fleet is aging and trucks are basically WWII/Vietnam design...
TCFan25 2 years ago
Not at all. The new MAN trucks are full auto :(
Quite a few more vehicles will be auto that the Army are getting within the next couple of years.
Sixes350 2 years ago
i love APCs :D and wtf.. 6 of them on 1 road-train? o.O
Ollie1405 2 years ago
Automatics are becoming quite common these days.
tld5500 3 years ago
army wanker just can not drive
phillatdili 3 years ago
haha,first time i ever heard that phrase,thank you,funny as hell
FlamingTightyWhiteis 3 years ago
what a fuck?:D
lecsoman 3 years ago
No point having teeth if you dont brush them now and then lol
2sneezels 3 years ago 2
how the hell do you miss gears on the flat with mack box, they're so slow compared to a road ranger, and yep pretty rough of the army to have a 470 pullin triples, poor little truck. haha
stewy967 3 years ago
anyone who uses the clutch to shift shouldnt be drivin a truck
fnkdrmr86 3 years ago
ya keep that shit up youl blow that f***in trani out real darn fast
theoriginaltigar2 3 years ago
Bullshit. Only a incompetent mechanic would say that. Just to blame the driver for everything that goes wrong, when its his own fault. I forgot how to double clutch ten years ago, and I do haul heavy/oversize loads. Not that I want to be a trucker, its hard to do anything else anymore
tld5500 3 years ago
now not to cause trouble but the clutch is there... use it! If you wernt supposed to use it it wouldnt be there. but i guess its all personal preference! and i know how it is once ya start drivin its hard to get away from it. it runs in my familly. Hey good luck to ya though... and hay im 10 10 on the side.
theoriginaltigar2 3 years ago
No offense, but the clutch is there to shift out of neutral into first or reverse. You dont need to grind any gears to shift at all. In my experience, those that insist on double clutching every shift are amateurs anyways. They wreck the transmission or wreck the truck. Priorities in the wrong place.
tld5500 3 years ago
yup, and you cant really go far without the clutch without the gearbox fucking up... coz you have to get the revs in 25-30 hundred to shift up without the clutch and even then your fucked over
18WoSHaulinCrew 2 years ago
So what about the old dog boxes? You have to double clutch them (like the old Mack R series). Either that or use no clutch when shifting.
Sixes350 2 years ago
Yes. Exactly. I agree with you. I am not an expert, just a driver, who is curious to know the truth.
tld5500 2 years ago
The Fleet liners are a good truck. Would have been better to use something with a bit more grunt pulling the a triple with ASLAV's.
As for the comment, a lot of gearboxes are designed to be double clutched when changing up / down full gears. Splits are different
Sixes350 2 years ago
Looks like you know everything! Glad I didnt take offence LMAO
Why is it that a lot of the truckies you see "double clutch" when changing full gears?? It is because the gearboxes are designed to be changed that way. Match road speed with RPM and the gears will change smoothly.
Sixes350 2 years ago 8
@Sixes350 i agree with yoou if they can't drive the truck then stay out of them.
TheGervarod 5 months ago
why double clutch on heavy loads, cuz it won't go into gear as easily or b/c you'll destroy a gear if you mis-shift under all that weight?
teamwounder 3 years ago
This happens sometimes, i idouble clutch most of the time with heave loads but the mack im in desnt got a synchro so , double clutching in the r model is not realy needed. lol
MackvsKenworth 3 years ago
lol,poor guy
jimsoss 3 years ago
He's probably got arm fatigue cause he's pulling a triple with a 470 CH Mack. Now that would be PAINFUL!
thisoneavailable 3 years ago
Yep, the one element missing out of its requirement for the 120 tonne GCM, HORSEPOWER.......
bigredmonstatruck 3 years ago
geez thats a load
tritty84 3 years ago
Call that grinding? i can grind a constant mash as good as anyone. Any way hes probably double clutching.
austpom333 3 years ago
do you mean he's NOT double clutching?
DirtBikesAustralia 3 years ago
Yer um something like that, i dont have much............experience
austpom333 3 years ago
yeah... well... i also think he was attempting to just do a plain old shift...
not sure if the truck got sychronizing rings but nevertheless it's always best to double clutch...
nice to know we have that good drivers in the defence force hey?
DirtBikesAustralia 3 years ago
Um yer well maby hes been watching to many USA drivers plane shift, or maby he dosnt yet know WTF hes doing like me
austpom333 3 years ago
ha ha...
He drives for the bloody ARMY - transporting armoured vehicles - one would think he would know what he's doing... but then again... looks like your right...
DirtBikesAustralia 3 years ago
18 speed Mack box or T2180b, with the back to front splitter, sorry no syncro. The shift he messed up on was the low to high range and split change. which is always fun when the range syncro plays up. At least he wasn't Jake changing like some of the Cowbays i've seen!
bigredmonstatruck 3 years ago
oh!!! Gotcha!!!
I'm not that experience with Macks - but sounds like you know a thing or two about what your talking about... thanks...
--James-- -DBA-
DirtBikesAustralia 3 years ago
No point having teeth if you don't brush them every now and then.
GoodnightWalter 3 years ago
OMG...I'd love to drive that carting them around!!
KN0MAAD 3 years ago
I know that voice! Tiiimmmmyyyy
How's tricks mate? Still got the big red truck?
bammohammo 3 years ago
One good reason to join the Army. Thrashin cogs.
slypsi 3 years ago
Jeezus Keryste. Good thing they make them Mack boxes strong. Whoever taught him/her needs a good foot up the arse.
sted904 3 years ago
It's good to know that Australia's defence equipment is in such safe hands! LOL
mekarls 3 years ago
crunch-crunch! heeeeeeeeeey!
col58fe 3 years ago
heeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyy lol.
KiechKech 3 years ago
heeeeeeeyyyy
cahitoh 3 years ago