I was in the 307th on the run way laying TNT for the simulated machine gun fire.I ended up on guard duty that night on the drop zone while the investigators were going thru it. My squad leader Sgt. Callahan got some footage too.
awful :( what made it worse was you were looking at somebodies elbow most of the video. i hope you understand what i mean in a good way. I never wanted to watch this. R.I.P
I was there when I was about 8 years old. Me and my dad went every year until then. That was a very sad and traumatic day. May the crew rest in peace and may God have mercy on the souls who find humor in this video.
Good Lord, the ignorance here astounds me. This is a LAPES "drop". The plane flies into the extraction zone at approx 5' AGL and 130KIAS at 50% flaps. The crew on that plane were friends of mine, and I would have been there had I not gone to instructor school a couple weeks prior. The pilot HAD done heavy loads before, including the 35K pound Armored Fighting Vehicle here. Ceilings were low so they did a radar approach until they got below the clouds (to be continued...)
They remained higher than normal to visually align with the EZ. There was no equipment malfunction...here's what went wrong: The pilot approached the EZ with a nose down attitude, when the pilot chute was deployed, the drag dumped the nose further. Unfortunately at that point he was in an unrecoverable sink rate and impacted the ground. The flight control cables snapped and the pilot maintained centerline control with differential thrust from the engines. (to be continued...)
What really killed everybody was the trees at the end of the extraction zone...a hazard I had pointed out for almost 2 years (those two lanes were closed after the accident). Had the trees not been there, the only fatality would have been one of the loadmasters who was killed on impact. The ensuing fire killed the additional 3 crewmembers. The pilot was not a "hot dog", he flew an aggressive escape profile (pulling nose up to min control speed as he was taught...which looks aggressive.
I was a few miles away from this when it happened...my father and i were scoping out hunting areas for the upcoming season....we did not see or hear anything until we got home
all systems check did u check the gauges check did u check the fuel check did u check if there was anythin rong with parachute for the tank :0 crap TOMMY STOP THE TANK damn too late WE COULD HAVE SAVED THAT ONE damn thats my 3rd mishap this week
the lapes drop of the tank was perfect.The pilot was the reason for this crash.He was used to droping traing blocks that weigh 10,000.This was his first tank And last .It weighs in at 45.000.Maybe you can hotdog and get away with it with 10,000.But not the real deal.
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I think the reason the load didn't come out properly, even though the locks were disengaged was because of the extreme nose down attitude. As soon as the plane leveled off, the tank came out as it was supposed to, but by that time the a/c was out of control, especially all that weight leaving the a/c, dropping the nose even further.
Well what he done was just stupid because doing a touch and go tank drop cant be done do to the fact of the weight shift and while coming into land he has the flaps at landing and it takes a full 15 seconds for the flap to change to takeoff he would never have enough time to get the speed back up to take off again its just plain stupid on his part for even trying that stunt.
Well what he done was just stupid because doing a touch and go tank drop cant be done do to the fact of the weight shift and while coming into land he has the flaps at landing and it takes a full 15 seconds for the flap to change to takeoff he would never have enough time to get the speed back up to take off again its just plain stupid on his part for even trying that stunt.
@HillbillyHell100 Ever heard of LAPES (Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System), bubba? Didn't think so....this is done all the time.....trouble with this attempt is that he was a little too nose down.....he's got to come down and flare it for landing......................
I was at this crash site when it happened. I was at the end of the runway to take pictures just before the ordeal and I moved after my LTC (that I was driving for) went into the bleachers to talk with some other officers. It was a horrific scene and there was nothing that could be done once that pilot hit the trees........the cause was the FAILURE of a/some securing straps inside the plane that were not disconnected and caused the plane to loose air-speed when the larger chutes deployed.
@mudmaster8 WRONG. The cause was the FAILURE of an overly-aggressive pilot. I too was at this crash site when it happened... flying behind in formation in the #2 slot. Had I not refused to fly with the same pilot the day prior in the CAPEX practice run, the FE would have been me, rather then Tony Holmes.
@mudmaster8 I've seen this same sort of thing happen at 1,500 feet, dropping a load from a C-141. The load started out of the plane, but there was a tie down device in the way....the load stopped and the main chutes started to deploy, inside the a/c. When that happened, the load came up on its back end and went out of the plane that way, taking about 20-30 feet of rollers with it. This happened at night and the guys on the drop zone said you could hear the rollers hitting the ground
I was stationed at Bragg when this happened, actually I was part of the live fire exercise at OP1. We didn't know about this until people who were at Sicily DZ started showing up and telling us about it. This brings back alot of memories
A lot of people speculating on something they have little idea about, arm chair experts, there could be any number of factors that we don't know about, even ones an inquiry could miss, so lets try to keep an open mind and show a little respect for the dead.
I, too, was there when it happened. I would like to get in touch with the camera operator in the red cap in this particular posting. What happened to your film of this accident? Would like to utilize it for training purposes. Please post if possible.
@koponenii Oh, I understand that......I'm not exactly sure of the timing of the extraction in relation to the attitude of the a/c with L.A.P.E.S., but, if they retracted the locks too soon, with any nose dow attitude, the load would have rolled forward, only going out the back when the extraction chute deployed the a/c settled in more of a level attitude. I'm not sure who releases the locks and deploys the chute during LAPES, but in higher altitude drops with the C-141, it's the navigator's job.
@Deltoid71 At 28 feet the extraction parachutes are hardly small and there is three of them. On drops at altitude the extraction parachute also serves as the pilot/deployment parachute to deploy the primary parachutes. During at LAPES drop the pilot/deployment parachute only deploys extraction parachutes.
@TruthIsScary .......well, "small" is a relative term.........when we were doing altitude drops from the C-141, the main chutes were 68 ft. in diameter, each.........so, an extraction chute of 28 feet is small, in relation. I had no idea, however, that the extraction chute used in LAPES was that large. I think the one we used was on about 15 ft. in diameter.
HillbillyHell is an idiot tho, for not realizing that this is not a "stunt" but a normal, operational method for doing drops.
Seeing this shit makes me so happy, just knowing that there were people on board this plane. i hope nobody survived this. It would be funny if these men perished a slow terrible death.
I was at the far right in the bleachers when this happened. (9th Psyop BN, 4th Gp, 1SOCOM). I still remember it like it was yesterday. You could feel the heat of the explosion in the bleachers. I had friends that were pilots, but none on that plane. It was not a good day at Sicily DZ
@Psywar64 I was with 4th Psyops Strategic Dissemination Company videotaping that day..... I was right at the beginning of the runway, waiting to interview Gen. Lindsey.
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Im amazed how ppl are stupid here, the C130 had to show off by dropping off the tank ( they do the same with other vehicles ) and the pilot just went to fast and a bit to low, so he dropped the tank and then the plane somehow crashed ( pilots fault ) and the tank safely landed and the c130 rolled off the airstrip and crashes ( u cant see the plane cuz trees are blocking it )
@Aaidas2 your ignorance truly shines through.The plane was not showing off,he was doing a maneuver called a LAPES,low altitude parachute extraction.His angle was too steep and he bounced.Yes, it was pilot error,but he was definitely not showing off.
I Saw pics of a Canadian C-130 in the 70's I think, same thing, but his cargo didn't release. The Herc stalled out, rolled over and died, in front of a huge crowd.
@u452u my problem is youre here complaining at me and i seoirusly dont give two shits about your opinion, back the fuck up, and why are you saying ''big deal?'' if your the one bitching about it, offensive**
@FPVsean I'm not bitching about anything, I never asked you to remove that comment, I never said your an asshole, all i said is that it's offensive to those who had died in that crash. I said "Big deal" because your spazing out at the simplest thing.
I was in 4/325, over at OP5 for the live fire demo. Our Family Support Group wives were over at Sicily with front row seats. When saw that smoke over at Sicily, and immediately heard over the Range Control freq that there was a crash, you can imagine the anxiety of the married guys. I friend, a pilot at Pope, told me that the aircraft commander was just too damn overconfident and flew it into the ground. Day before the crash, after rehearsal, one of his crew refused to fly with him.
Wouldnt the tank getting dropped from that kind of speed break the tracks, spin the bearings and basically just fuckup The whole drive system let alone heave it all hold together? anyone answer me? Becuase their top speed is like 45mph, Getting dropped at 90 seems a little to hard on those all metal tracks, and wheels.
they sent us to another show- we couldn't go back to our cars and go home. and i remember it seemed like he was headed for us in the bleachers and kind of turned off as he got close. maybe that was intentional, i don't know
Until tonight I had never seen this video. I was part of the detail from the 2/325 that prepped this aircraft all night, the night before. We had been assigned to actually be on the flight the next day to help with the deployment, but since we had worked all night, we were sent back to the barracks. The C.Q. Sgt was going nutz banging on doors up and down the hall looking for us. WOW. Another dodged bullet thanks to the good LORD!
That's so sick kid, seriously. go check into a nuthouse, that is in no way a funny or cool comment, thats the kinds of thing a future serial killer says. that was so inapproriate, i feel sorry for your parents, having to raise a devil child.
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hahaha, I hope you die slowly because you wife's jaw is going to get stuck while giving you a blowjob and she will bite off your cock and you will bleed to death waiting for a doctor at the hospital and your children and your parents will be laughing and crying at the same time watching you die..... LOL
This accident was at the sicily drop zone at Ft. Bragg. The C130 crew was TDY from Dyess AFB, TX. I flew C-130's at Pope AFB for 6 years. Got there in 88' and this crash was still the talk of the base. Loadmaster and co-pilot lived. These LAPES drops (Low altitude parachute extraction system) are fun but risky. Great video on how not to do a LAPES drop. The most dangerous cargo to drop of course is the M1 tank dropped in this video. From the moment the pilot pitched nose over...doomed!
I was at this demonstration. The tank in question is a M551 Sheridan, the only tank the 82nd was able to air drop or L.A.P.E.S. About 17 tons as opposed to about 67 tons on the M1.
I have to assume that the pilot has enough experience already. The question is why? It doesn't look like the pilot is correcting anything, but they is something wrong with this approach. The plane is coming to fast, it is well visible, but the parachute looks strange coming out...
Loadmaster error? no way my best friend was there and worked with the crew...the pilot was misinformed about where the load was to be droped and was trying to correct during his desent.
I was a member of the 3/73 armor abn and this was my tank (sheridan) and it was during camp all american an rotc event that members of division supported. I knew the staff duty nco who had taken the jeep to the other end of the strip to take photos. he was killed. and the show continued but not at the DZ sicily dz to be exact. the show moved to the ranges. No one posting here knows what they are talking about. Thunder bolts...HOOAH.
I was a Member of the 317th Oms , This was my best friends Acft , and I knew and had flown with all these Men at one time or another . So I would appreciate some respect here for them .
even tho it was pilot error it wasnt becasue he was bad, he was doing a move called a lapse(sorry if i spelled that wrong), he was heavier thna he thought and when he went to pull up he hit the ground and the spine of the c-130 broke, making recovery impossible
Part 2: The extraction seemed sloppy during practice, but he explained that the pilot could touch and go. Well, we all saw the result. Don't know if pilot error or loadmaster error was to blame. 2 airmen on the plane survived. That's a fact because they came to Alpha Company to talk to us weeks later, very scarred I should add. Jeeps were hit on the ground not HUMMERS. Dont' remember the show continuing as one poster said. I remember the remainder being canceled. Alpha Co. 1/325th AIR; Let's Go!
Part 1: A lot of facts and a lot of BS has been posted about this crash. I was with 1/325th AIR assigned to a mock door on the ground (one of the small wood-framed "shacks"). Our job was to demonstrate on the ground exactly what was happening on the planes carrying jumpers that were to come a few minutes later. We had practiced this the day before (maybe 2 days before) and I questioned one of my NCO's (I was a Specialist 4) about what would happen if the plane slammed the ground.
So many experts...how amazing. As a member of this unit here's the story. The weather that day was below minimums (it should have been 1500/3 but was more like 900/3). The nav had to do a radar directed run in to get below the weather. They were slightly misaligned and high when they saw the zone. Instead of calling it off (they knew the Sq/CC would be displeased) they pushed too far. Gary dropped the nose to get down to the zone but when the drogue came out it dropped the nose further...
Once the nose dropped, there was no way to pull out of that decent with a 35,000# Sheridan. A major contributing factor was the design of the extraction zones at Sicily. The one that this plane was using had trees just past the departure end and I always knew they would be a problem (these 2 lanes were closed after this accident leaving the 3 in the middle of sicily). Had the trees not been there only 1 crewmember would have died (the trees ripping off the wings caused the explosion)
God Bless there souls. I Was standing less that 50 ft away when this happened back in 1987. I was a ground soldier stationed at Fort Bragg. I t did not now it then, but 6 years later I ended up becoming a C-130 pilot myself, I remember this crash every time I do any sort of low flying in C-130.
On an ideal LAPES pass, the desired wheel height is 5 feet AGL. Each C-130 squadron at Pope AFB (this was a Pope crew) kept 2 crews LAPES qualified.
The aircraft commander in this video had a bad habit of flying steep LAPES approaches. His copilot got fed up with his steep approaches and went to the squadron Ops Officer ( #2 guy in the unit after the Squadron CO) and demanded to be replaced as he thought the guy was dangerous. He was replaced and the A/C nearly killed the replacement.
Good post. I was the Flight Engineer on the practice flight for this capabilities exercise with Capt Bardo. The copilot, who you spoke of and I, refused to fly with him afterwards. Our replacements, Marc Lenke (copilot) and Tony Holmes (Flight Engineer) were nearly killed during the actual demonstration as you mentioned.
Part 2: The heat was INTENSE and we were not allowed to leave the grandstand area at first. Finally, the spectators were then told to return to the buses. You couldnt look skyward for the fine particles of debris that rained down on you. Once back on the buses, weassumed that we would be sent back to the parking lots to leave. But they continued with the remainder of the show! They had no business continuing on after a tragedy of that magnatude had just been witnessed by so many civilians.
Part I: Having been a specator in the crowd that day and at the same exercise the year prior....there were defintiely differences in the pilots approach. The year before, the plane did not descend via a nosedive like in the this footgae. I was in the far end of the grandstands beside where the plane veered toward and exploded .
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Acft: Lockheed Skunk Works C130 68-10945 c/n 4325 (has 8-10 Etienne, 23, 45), Fort Bragg (brag and GG) Sicily, CAPEX = ex capo, or cape, cowl (hair), M561 Gamma goat (Roger Gamount) so,goat, roger, gar, mount. + Ling-Temco-Vought LTV, Associated = not by coincidence. Means planned or arranged, specifically. Each time. Which means total awareness. So much that all interactions of coordination may be achieved to obtain results desired. On time on schedule. Yes. Uuhuh, yep, aha, why yes, exactly.
0:240:29 elbow closeup, it then moves, red hat near blue shirt, blue shirt swipes head + grimace + abrupt move, 0:25 lady in pink shirt + male in camo & red beret & camera aligned w left frame moves in sync w blue shirt; 0:32 first full view mushroom cloud, smoke, human remains, Lockheed C-130, dirt. +parachute extraction of *something* + harm as a result of that parachute extraction. murder. No question.
Again, the cause of this crash was the pilot establishing an excessive sink rate which resulted in the aircraft impacting the ground and subsequent loss of control. There was no problem with the parachutes
The wheels are always lowered for this maneuver, because once in awhile they (lightly) touch the LAPES zone. They aren't supposed to, but it's better for the tires to touch rather than the bottom of the plane, obviously.
I worked as a crash rescue specialist for the 119th AVN company
( in those days 51M20) at Miller army airfield, Pope AFB and camp McCall army airfield from 1975-78.
After seeing many such practice runs and also reviewing the film many, many times and further not being a pilot, I was wondering if perhaps the chute was not deployed too soon and brought down the pilots airspeed too much to pull up flat. Any pilots out there feel that might be feasible? Thank you for your input.
I'm no expert but the decent did look very steep but it didn't blow when it hit the ground, only after it had run for some time, so maybe it wasn't the impact that caused the problem??
Its obvious that this is a straight case of pilot error as he trys to show off and it back fires. You can see his approach was way to steep, no one to blame but the pilot in this one
im not convinced as it seems to drop as soon as the shoot is relased and fills u can see he reacts to it by pulling up so once again i ask is the release controlled by the pilot or by another member of the crew
if the pilot released the shoot and 4 some reason the tank was still clamped so to speek to the floor this would explain the events that transpire thing is i cant see that the approch was to steep it looks perfectly fine to me untill the shoot event
or is what im saying just simply not possible with the size of shoot compared to the enursia of the plane
in this type of drop do they do a touch down and lift off ? coz that to would explain it ya know he just sorta aimed it a lil bit wrong an whack !! oh dear i ballsed that up
the loadmaster is repsonsible for everything dropped out of the aircraft, he is the one that releases the load, the pilot just gets the loadmaster on target. the shoot was only big enough to drag out the load. ive never seen them touch the ground and a drop like that but im not sayin its not possible. i agree though it all looks ok until the shoot comes out but at the same time thats when the pilot makes his mistake.
at least he got the job done...RIP!
BrianBuckShot 3 weeks ago
I was in the 307th on the run way laying TNT for the simulated machine gun fire.I ended up on guard duty that night on the drop zone while the investigators were going thru it. My squad leader Sgt. Callahan got some footage too.
12b1p 4 weeks ago
i was there!!! i still remember that day like it was yesterday!!! thanks for the vid post!!!!
MrHippie17 1 month ago
Best elbow footage I ever saw!
woodbinedrinker 1 month ago
at 0:09 look on the far left, my dad was in that plane in the army.
shadow93333 1 month ago
@bugio22 What part was still rolling at the end? Im not an expert on plans, but was that supposed to come off?
ColinDell1998 2 months ago
Go tank FTW
HaterBoy49779 2 months ago
Least he dropped the care package.
DuchessandHammer 2 months ago
ok chute out, dive ...and pull puuuuull puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull oh oh oh oh.shit did u say tank drop....... ?
nolifemerc 3 months ago
where was this?
theMagicMan555 4 months ago
awful :( what made it worse was you were looking at somebodies elbow most of the video. i hope you understand what i mean in a good way. I never wanted to watch this. R.I.P
Itchiest 5 months ago
50!!! RETARD! RETARD! 10!!!!. DING, KLANG, ZING, KABOOOOM
InODependanceSyndrom 6 months ago
At least the tank made it out ok.
kaos3124 6 months ago
I was there when I was about 8 years old. Me and my dad went every year until then. That was a very sad and traumatic day. May the crew rest in peace and may God have mercy on the souls who find humor in this video.
favre4prezident1 6 months ago 7
Good Lord, the ignorance here astounds me. This is a LAPES "drop". The plane flies into the extraction zone at approx 5' AGL and 130KIAS at 50% flaps. The crew on that plane were friends of mine, and I would have been there had I not gone to instructor school a couple weeks prior. The pilot HAD done heavy loads before, including the 35K pound Armored Fighting Vehicle here. Ceilings were low so they did a radar approach until they got below the clouds (to be continued...)
5blkblts 7 months ago
They remained higher than normal to visually align with the EZ. There was no equipment malfunction...here's what went wrong: The pilot approached the EZ with a nose down attitude, when the pilot chute was deployed, the drag dumped the nose further. Unfortunately at that point he was in an unrecoverable sink rate and impacted the ground. The flight control cables snapped and the pilot maintained centerline control with differential thrust from the engines. (to be continued...)
5blkblts 7 months ago
What really killed everybody was the trees at the end of the extraction zone...a hazard I had pointed out for almost 2 years (those two lanes were closed after the accident). Had the trees not been there, the only fatality would have been one of the loadmasters who was killed on impact. The ensuing fire killed the additional 3 crewmembers. The pilot was not a "hot dog", he flew an aggressive escape profile (pulling nose up to min control speed as he was taught...which looks aggressive.
5blkblts 7 months ago
@5blkblts
Outstanding reply, May your Friends rest in peace.
marmaladekamikaze 7 months ago
I was a few miles away from this when it happened...my father and i were scoping out hunting areas for the upcoming season....we did not see or hear anything until we got home
paulfultz41 7 months ago
all systems check did u check the gauges check did u check the fuel check did u check if there was anythin rong with parachute for the tank :0 crap TOMMY STOP THE TANK damn too late WE COULD HAVE SAVED THAT ONE damn thats my 3rd mishap this week
34ization 8 months ago
все потому что мало опыта у пилота, он должен был готов к тому что после сброса танка нос самолета поднимет вверх, да и скорость большая была...
pro100dim 8 months ago
pilot : nose up! nose up! NOSE UP!!
co pilot : oh you mean the plane!?
trippedonamidget 9 months ago
no way you can see the tank chute deployed way to early and too high, thats what pulled the plan on approach.
australianmade74 9 months ago
....Your Emergency Airdrop was denied.....
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....Just saying...
ElPINGAS9000 9 months ago
the lapes drop of the tank was perfect.The pilot was the reason for this crash.He was used to droping traing blocks that weigh 10,000.This was his first tank And last .It weighs in at 45.000.Maybe you can hotdog and get away with it with 10,000.But not the real deal.
TimU2Cool 9 months ago
why was there a tank?
milandroidii 10 months ago
I was there that day as well -- it was an awful, traumatic event.
GreytMuse 10 months ago
I was in 307th Engineers at the time and witnessed this from the bleachers at the DZ. May the souls of all who passed that day rest in peace.
johntheinstigator 11 months ago 4
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Send them american soldiers to the front to be killed,while Grmany is persuing its long time fight for world domination
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wwwtotalitaerde 11 months ago
it looks like there are bullets shooting at it
abcabcabdfg 1 year ago
@abcabcabdfg your a twat!
OTULP62 11 months ago
@tombee2 If it was such a bad design, I doubt if the design would have lasted as long as it has.....almost 50 years, now?
Look up the video on here of the C-130 taking off from AND landing on the aircraft carrier, U.S.S. Forrestal if you want to see something amazing.
Deltoid71 1 year ago
I think the reason the load didn't come out properly, even though the locks were disengaged was because of the extreme nose down attitude. As soon as the plane leveled off, the tank came out as it was supposed to, but by that time the a/c was out of control, especially all that weight leaving the a/c, dropping the nose even further.
Deltoid71 1 year ago
I was there on the drop zone when this happened at Ft. Bragg
avgblkbro 1 year ago
Well what he done was just stupid because doing a touch and go tank drop cant be done do to the fact of the weight shift and while coming into land he has the flaps at landing and it takes a full 15 seconds for the flap to change to takeoff he would never have enough time to get the speed back up to take off again its just plain stupid on his part for even trying that stunt.
HillbillyHell100 1 year ago
@HillbillyHell100
You have never flown a C130 hey ?
Flaps at a low pass or touch & go speed have no point of reality with a take off set.?
15 seconds ????
Are you timimg that of FSX.LOL
skinimp 1 year ago
@HillbillyHell100
Learn the true deffinition of STOL.
skinimp 1 year ago
@HillbillyHell100 you are retarded.
dicksoncider 1 year ago
Well what he done was just stupid because doing a touch and go tank drop cant be done do to the fact of the weight shift and while coming into land he has the flaps at landing and it takes a full 15 seconds for the flap to change to takeoff he would never have enough time to get the speed back up to take off again its just plain stupid on his part for even trying that stunt.
HillbillyHell100 1 year ago
@HillbillyHell100 Ever heard of LAPES (Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System), bubba? Didn't think so....this is done all the time.....trouble with this attempt is that he was a little too nose down.....he's got to come down and flare it for landing......................
Godspeed to those that died in this crash.
Deltoid71 1 year ago
Must have been a woman pilot huh? *slaps arm*
ninjasquirrelsrock 1 year ago
I was at this crash site when it happened. I was at the end of the runway to take pictures just before the ordeal and I moved after my LTC (that I was driving for) went into the bleachers to talk with some other officers. It was a horrific scene and there was nothing that could be done once that pilot hit the trees........the cause was the FAILURE of a/some securing straps inside the plane that were not disconnected and caused the plane to loose air-speed when the larger chutes deployed.
mudmaster8 1 year ago
@mudmaster8 WRONG. The cause was the FAILURE of an overly-aggressive pilot. I too was at this crash site when it happened... flying behind in formation in the #2 slot. Had I not refused to fly with the same pilot the day prior in the CAPEX practice run, the FE would have been me, rather then Tony Holmes.
rgdyk 1 year ago
@mudmaster8 I've seen this same sort of thing happen at 1,500 feet, dropping a load from a C-141. The load started out of the plane, but there was a tie down device in the way....the load stopped and the main chutes started to deploy, inside the a/c. When that happened, the load came up on its back end and went out of the plane that way, taking about 20-30 feet of rollers with it. This happened at night and the guys on the drop zone said you could hear the rollers hitting the ground
Deltoid71 1 year ago
did the pilot forget the flaps, speed brakes, descended too rapidly or just because of the bouncing?
GTAstuntman101 1 year ago
My bad!
Vyppaaa11 1 year ago
I was stationed at Bragg when this happened, actually I was part of the live fire exercise at OP1. We didn't know about this until people who were at Sicily DZ started showing up and telling us about it. This brings back alot of memories
BravoBull1 1 year ago
A lot of people speculating on something they have little idea about, arm chair experts, there could be any number of factors that we don't know about, even ones an inquiry could miss, so lets try to keep an open mind and show a little respect for the dead.
redrosecounty 1 year ago
I, too, was there when it happened. I would like to get in touch with the camera operator in the red cap in this particular posting. What happened to your film of this accident? Would like to utilize it for training purposes. Please post if possible.
z7470110 1 year ago
Stupid ass mistake from a incompetent pilot.
FutureTechSpace 1 year ago
@FutureTechSpace IF the air was stabile it was.. but we cant see it ..and that small parashute..was it bit too early out.. whos job is use it ?
koponenii 1 year ago
@koponenii That small extraction chute is what pulls the load out of the a/c
Deltoid71 1 year ago
@Deltoid71 Yes but i talked abt timing of it :)
koponenii 1 year ago
@koponenii Oh, I understand that......I'm not exactly sure of the timing of the extraction in relation to the attitude of the a/c with L.A.P.E.S., but, if they retracted the locks too soon, with any nose dow attitude, the load would have rolled forward, only going out the back when the extraction chute deployed the a/c settled in more of a level attitude. I'm not sure who releases the locks and deploys the chute during LAPES, but in higher altitude drops with the C-141, it's the navigator's job.
Deltoid71 1 year ago
@Deltoid71 At 28 feet the extraction parachutes are hardly small and there is three of them. On drops at altitude the extraction parachute also serves as the pilot/deployment parachute to deploy the primary parachutes. During at LAPES drop the pilot/deployment parachute only deploys extraction parachutes.
TruthIsScary 1 year ago
@TruthIsScary .......well, "small" is a relative term.........when we were doing altitude drops from the C-141, the main chutes were 68 ft. in diameter, each.........so, an extraction chute of 28 feet is small, in relation. I had no idea, however, that the extraction chute used in LAPES was that large. I think the one we used was on about 15 ft. in diameter.
HillbillyHell is an idiot tho, for not realizing that this is not a "stunt" but a normal, operational method for doing drops.
Deltoid71 1 year ago
@FutureTechSpace Interesting remark. How many flight hours do you have, and what ratings do you hold?
PopppaBlue59 1 year ago 2
@PopppaBlue59 You dont need to be a pilot to see that this is stupid in my honest opinion.
MRjesseNL 1 year ago
ive been in one of those planes ...im 15
dildodill13 1 year ago
wow
213Algeria 1 year ago
R.I.P
sicwhitt 1 year ago
That was a long time ago. I was there. I still have bad dreams
jadams2768 1 year ago
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Seeing this shit makes me so happy, just knowing that there were people on board this plane. i hope nobody survived this. It would be funny if these men perished a slow terrible death.
utballplayer2116 1 year ago
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trolling to the max!
TimidALFONS0 1 year ago
I was at the far right in the bleachers when this happened. (9th Psyop BN, 4th Gp, 1SOCOM). I still remember it like it was yesterday. You could feel the heat of the explosion in the bleachers. I had friends that were pilots, but none on that plane. It was not a good day at Sicily DZ
Psywar64 1 year ago
@Psywar64 I was with 4th Psyops Strategic Dissemination Company videotaping that day..... I was right at the beginning of the runway, waiting to interview Gen. Lindsey.
jmayon 1 year ago
"Just too steep." Understatement of the year? Until the second before he hit, he was diving nose-first into the bloody ground.
BenMcCormack91 1 year ago
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arplmech54 1 year ago
fail
Flabbbe 1 year ago
they should've all jumped on the tank.... they would've survived =/
nip2121 1 year ago
C-130 YMC-130H
chris34boss 1 year ago
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pilot tryna be a smart ass
chris34boss 1 year ago
pilot tryna be a smart ass
chris34boss 1 year ago
rest in peace
:(
ciutarobby 1 year ago
I was there. At the end of the runway. near the explosion. I still see it today.
orhenkle 1 year ago
well..., umm at least the tank came out...
KidThatDoesEverythin 1 year ago
damn! sad...
DJ12Ema 1 year ago
he tipped the nose down just after the pilot-chute opend, like he lost speed becouse of it. Did it have anything to do with it?
blidderbla 1 year ago
God Dman, the Pilots cockpits need to be reinforced, RIP all crew that died, no one deserved to die in a metal bird!
HMSDaring1 1 year ago 7
i was there.
jjjazzycraig 1 year ago
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BitnikGr 1 year ago
"pulled out just too late"
you know...that's how babies are made.
taterfamine 1 year ago
Im amazed how ppl are stupid here, the C130 had to show off by dropping off the tank ( they do the same with other vehicles ) and the pilot just went to fast and a bit to low, so he dropped the tank and then the plane somehow crashed ( pilots fault ) and the tank safely landed and the c130 rolled off the airstrip and crashes ( u cant see the plane cuz trees are blocking it )
Aaidas2 1 year ago
@Aaidas2 your ignorance truly shines through.The plane was not showing off,he was doing a maneuver called a LAPES,low altitude parachute extraction.His angle was too steep and he bounced.Yes, it was pilot error,but he was definitely not showing off.
rjmara 1 year ago
Im confused. I see a C-130 crash but no C-130 remains. I just see a Tank. Could someone tell me where all the pieces go.
mahlekTV 1 year ago
all i see is a plane crashing then the remains of a tank. When i see plane crashes i expect to see plane remains not a tank... kinda confused
mahlekTV 1 year ago
@mahlekTV
the tank was inside the plane when the plane, hit the ground the tank came out of the plane
DJ12Ema 1 year ago
I Saw pics of a Canadian C-130 in the 70's I think, same thing, but his cargo didn't release. The Herc stalled out, rolled over and died, in front of a huge crowd.
ErnieL40 1 year ago
it disinigrated? (idk how to spell) omg...
Bubbletoes777 1 year ago
@Bubbletoes777 govmint skools..... lmao
whb1965 1 year ago
"Decent too steep"
No shit.
ZombieDawgs 1 year ago
did the pilot die?
hockeyking61396 1 year ago
They all died. The whole crew. I know because my father was stationed at Fort Bragg when this happened.
gorn9146 1 year ago
o thats sad
hockeyking61396 1 year ago 18
see if that c-130 was not carrying that tank but if the plane was carrying fuel all thos people would be nothing but fried chicken lol
bill197100 2 years ago
WORLDS FASTEST TANK...
FPVsean 2 years ago 67
@FPVsean: Funny but, in poor taste IMO.
gorn9146 1 year ago
@FPVsean Hahaha
dawnofwar92 1 year ago
@FPVsean lol a tank you call that a tank?! ITS A FUCKIN FORTRESS!
sultankraver 1 year ago
@FPVsean im sorry, but i find that really offencive to those who died in that plane
u452u 1 year ago
@u452u fuck off moralfag
FPVsean 1 year ago
@FPVsean what the is your problem? so i said thats offencive to those who died in that crash, big deal?
u452u 1 year ago
@u452u my problem is youre here complaining at me and i seoirusly dont give two shits about your opinion, back the fuck up, and why are you saying ''big deal?'' if your the one bitching about it, offensive**
FPVsean 1 year ago
@FPVsean I'm not bitching about anything, I never asked you to remove that comment, I never said your an asshole, all i said is that it's offensive to those who had died in that crash. I said "Big deal" because your spazing out at the simplest thing.
u452u 1 year ago
I had to work the event that day. I was in the 1/325. It was easy to see when the c130 was coming in that it was going to crash.
kd6sxa 2 years ago
stfu dont lie. you sad fuck
mavbadger 2 years ago
I was in 4/325, over at OP5 for the live fire demo. Our Family Support Group wives were over at Sicily with front row seats. When saw that smoke over at Sicily, and immediately heard over the Range Control freq that there was a crash, you can imagine the anxiety of the married guys. I friend, a pilot at Pope, told me that the aircraft commander was just too damn overconfident and flew it into the ground. Day before the crash, after rehearsal, one of his crew refused to fly with him.
4325air 2 years ago
Wouldnt the tank getting dropped from that kind of speed break the tracks, spin the bearings and basically just fuckup The whole drive system let alone heave it all hold together? anyone answer me? Becuase their top speed is like 45mph, Getting dropped at 90 seems a little to hard on those all metal tracks, and wheels.
technineriderTEH 2 years ago
The are chained down to skids so they theoretically never touch the ground till you unchain them.
sikofu2 2 years ago
oh right, that makes sense thanks!
technineriderTEH 2 years ago
i personally think that plane was going in way to fast which must have been a cause for it to crash
Telemachus1112 2 years ago
@technineriderTEH they are generally on tied to a base plate that takes most of the abuse...and one it stops moving the tank drives off
fsland 2 years ago
they sent us to another show- we couldn't go back to our cars and go home. and i remember it seemed like he was headed for us in the bleachers and kind of turned off as he got close. maybe that was intentional, i don't know
hman2092 2 years ago
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was that pilot a total idiot?
jordyboy321 2 years ago
Until tonight I had never seen this video. I was part of the detail from the 2/325 that prepped this aircraft all night, the night before. We had been assigned to actually be on the flight the next day to help with the deployment, but since we had worked all night, we were sent back to the barracks. The C.Q. Sgt was going nutz banging on doors up and down the hall looking for us. WOW. Another dodged bullet thanks to the good LORD!
frankin8tor 2 years ago
your a fucking idiot
Etern4lSlay3r 2 years ago
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i hope these people didnt die on impact..but slowly died while laying in a hospital bed with their crying wives and children right next to them..
utballplayer2116 2 years ago
That's so sick kid, seriously. go check into a nuthouse, that is in no way a funny or cool comment, thats the kinds of thing a future serial killer says. that was so inapproriate, i feel sorry for your parents, having to raise a devil child.
808gamerhawaii 2 years ago
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hahaha, I hope you die slowly because you wife's jaw is going to get stuck while giving you a blowjob and she will bite off your cock and you will bleed to death waiting for a doctor at the hospital and your children and your parents will be laughing and crying at the same time watching you die..... LOL
av7447 2 years ago
@utballplayer2116 i hope u tell a military serviceman this, and he beats the shit out of you until you pass away... shit for brains..
whb1965 1 year ago
This accident was at the sicily drop zone at Ft. Bragg. The C130 crew was TDY from Dyess AFB, TX. I flew C-130's at Pope AFB for 6 years. Got there in 88' and this crash was still the talk of the base. Loadmaster and co-pilot lived. These LAPES drops (Low altitude parachute extraction system) are fun but risky. Great video on how not to do a LAPES drop. The most dangerous cargo to drop of course is the M1 tank dropped in this video. From the moment the pilot pitched nose over...doomed!
Tampaslice 2 years ago
I was at this demonstration. The tank in question is a M551 Sheridan, the only tank the 82nd was able to air drop or L.A.P.E.S. About 17 tons as opposed to about 67 tons on the M1.
MrTonywarner 2 years ago
I have to assume that the pilot has enough experience already. The question is why? It doesn't look like the pilot is correcting anything, but they is something wrong with this approach. The plane is coming to fast, it is well visible, but the parachute looks strange coming out...
tswjxeem 2 years ago
Chwila zapomnienia i zamiast pieknego pokazu "Łubudu". Kazdy ma prawo sie pomylić!
Agrmons 2 years ago
Loadmaster error? no way my best friend was there and worked with the crew...the pilot was misinformed about where the load was to be droped and was trying to correct during his desent.
flatblacktrueno 2 years ago
I was a member of the 3/73 armor abn and this was my tank (sheridan) and it was during camp all american an rotc event that members of division supported. I knew the staff duty nco who had taken the jeep to the other end of the strip to take photos. he was killed. and the show continued but not at the DZ sicily dz to be exact. the show moved to the ranges. No one posting here knows what they are talking about. Thunder bolts...HOOAH.
mdfiremedic 2 years ago
As I remember, everyone from the DZ were bus back to the Main Post and of course--the show must goes on
rwaldo1962 2 years ago
thats funny i was on the drop zone waiting to cut the tank free, and i also live in maryland.
johnnylaw1048 2 years ago
I was a Member of the 317th Oms , This was my best friends Acft , and I knew and had flown with all these Men at one time or another . So I would appreciate some respect here for them .
Paladin0862 2 years ago
would the word "oopsie" be appropriate here?
speeddemon1092 2 years ago
That's what you get when pilots think theyre god.
Rip.
tastyryan 2 years ago
even tho it was pilot error it wasnt becasue he was bad, he was doing a move called a lapse(sorry if i spelled that wrong), he was heavier thna he thought and when he went to pull up he hit the ground and the spine of the c-130 broke, making recovery impossible
gopherhockeyfreak 2 years ago
Part 2: The extraction seemed sloppy during practice, but he explained that the pilot could touch and go. Well, we all saw the result. Don't know if pilot error or loadmaster error was to blame. 2 airmen on the plane survived. That's a fact because they came to Alpha Company to talk to us weeks later, very scarred I should add. Jeeps were hit on the ground not HUMMERS. Dont' remember the show continuing as one poster said. I remember the remainder being canceled. Alpha Co. 1/325th AIR; Let's Go!
wolfepak2009 2 years ago
Part 1: A lot of facts and a lot of BS has been posted about this crash. I was with 1/325th AIR assigned to a mock door on the ground (one of the small wood-framed "shacks"). Our job was to demonstrate on the ground exactly what was happening on the planes carrying jumpers that were to come a few minutes later. We had practiced this the day before (maybe 2 days before) and I questioned one of my NCO's (I was a Specialist 4) about what would happen if the plane slammed the ground.
wolfepak2009 2 years ago
I was just a child when my grandfather took me to ft Bragg to see this. I just can't believe I found this video. Thankyou for posting
Hertlcm 2 years ago
5blkblts... are you LAPES qualified...
have you ever been...
--Mike
RedOcktober 2 years ago
The major contributing factor to this crash was pilot error. Extraction zone design was of no consequence.
rgdyk 2 years ago
So many experts...how amazing. As a member of this unit here's the story. The weather that day was below minimums (it should have been 1500/3 but was more like 900/3). The nav had to do a radar directed run in to get below the weather. They were slightly misaligned and high when they saw the zone. Instead of calling it off (they knew the Sq/CC would be displeased) they pushed too far. Gary dropped the nose to get down to the zone but when the drogue came out it dropped the nose further...
5blkblts 2 years ago 3
Once the nose dropped, there was no way to pull out of that decent with a 35,000# Sheridan. A major contributing factor was the design of the extraction zones at Sicily. The one that this plane was using had trees just past the departure end and I always knew they would be a problem (these 2 lanes were closed after this accident leaving the 3 in the middle of sicily). Had the trees not been there only 1 crewmember would have died (the trees ripping off the wings caused the explosion)
5blkblts 2 years ago 3
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nice drop
lepivert 2 years ago
3rd btn 4th ada this happened on the day of my ets..thoughts to all as usual
rgd82abn 2 years ago
God Bless there souls. I Was standing less that 50 ft away when this happened back in 1987. I was a ground soldier stationed at Fort Bragg. I t did not now it then, but 6 years later I ended up becoming a C-130 pilot myself, I remember this crash every time I do any sort of low flying in C-130.
waaomailjen 2 years ago
what year was this C-130 crash. Anyone know the exact date
skyflyer43 2 years ago
July 1, 1987 at approx 10:15am at Fort Bragg, NC on Sicily Drop Zone. The flight crew were from the 40th TAS, stationed at nearby Pope AFB.
rgdyk 2 years ago 2
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stupid camera man! he was in the freaken way and i was so exited to see that explosion! BUT NO! I HAD TO SEE THE SMOKE!
i feel the same bluddy way the bitch fron hell
HeatherJadeEreeBlad 2 years ago
are you crazy people died in this.Stupid limey
messycanstink 2 years ago
hey guy in red hat, thanx for ruining the vid duece
a7xfreak114 2 years ago
Wow! what a trip! I saw this happen live. Was stationsed at Bragg with the 27th eng bat.
cchristman1 2 years ago
I too was there that day, and had been in the 27th for only a couple of weeks. Being the FNG I got assigned to pull medic duty on that fateful day.
interptexas 2 years ago
On an ideal LAPES pass, the desired wheel height is 5 feet AGL. Each C-130 squadron at Pope AFB (this was a Pope crew) kept 2 crews LAPES qualified.
The aircraft commander in this video had a bad habit of flying steep LAPES approaches. His copilot got fed up with his steep approaches and went to the squadron Ops Officer ( #2 guy in the unit after the Squadron CO) and demanded to be replaced as he thought the guy was dangerous. He was replaced and the A/C nearly killed the replacement.
jacquejet 2 years ago 2
Good post. I was the Flight Engineer on the practice flight for this capabilities exercise with Capt Bardo. The copilot, who you spoke of and I, refused to fly with him afterwards. Our replacements, Marc Lenke (copilot) and Tony Holmes (Flight Engineer) were nearly killed during the actual demonstration as you mentioned.
rgdyk 2 years ago 2
Part 2: The heat was INTENSE and we were not allowed to leave the grandstand area at first. Finally, the spectators were then told to return to the buses. You couldnt look skyward for the fine particles of debris that rained down on you. Once back on the buses, weassumed that we would be sent back to the parking lots to leave. But they continued with the remainder of the show! They had no business continuing on after a tragedy of that magnatude had just been witnessed by so many civilians.
christie1124 2 years ago
Did the pilot die?
ihateforigners 2 years ago
Killed were:
Capt Gary Bardo- Pilot
1st Lt John Keiser- Navigator
TSgt Tim Matar- Loadmaster
A1C Al Dunse- Loadmaster
SSgt Doug Hunter- Soldier killed on ground
Injured were:
1st Lt Marc Lenke- Copilot
Sgt Tony Holmes- Flight Engineer
rgdyk 2 years ago 19
RIP
web2baba 2 years ago
Thanks very much for the in-depth and accurate info for this clip.
karadan100 2 years ago
@rgdyk Capt Gary Bardo- Pilot = mass murderer. Simple fact.
AustraliaTwo 1 year ago
@rgdyk
owhh... :(
REST IN PEACE...
mantapTZM 1 year ago
Part I: Having been a specator in the crowd that day and at the same exercise the year prior....there were defintiely differences in the pilots approach. The year before, the plane did not descend via a nosedive like in the this footgae. I was in the far end of the grandstands beside where the plane veered toward and exploded .
christie1124 2 years ago
Note SECOND Lockheed on final. A hint of the Powers U2 flight. Read book thoroughly, it hints at total bogosity in the deployment of the aircraft, & exact history of said aircraft prior to going into Russia. The prime U2 used up all of its allowable flight hours before mandatory maintenance flying back and forth between Turkey & Pakistan (yeah, right) & the backup had *problems* in Japan & flew with its rudder forcing a yaw (off axis). If authors had told the USA, the heads of agencies. No more
drippingcunningrunt 2 years ago
Acft: Lockheed Skunk Works C130 68-10945 c/n 4325 (has 8-10 Etienne, 23, 45), Fort Bragg (brag and GG) Sicily, CAPEX = ex capo, or cape, cowl (hair), M561 Gamma goat (Roger Gamount) so,goat, roger, gar, mount. + Ling-Temco-Vought LTV, Associated = not by coincidence. Means planned or arranged, specifically. Each time. Which means total awareness. So much that all interactions of coordination may be achieved to obtain results desired. On time on schedule. Yes. Uuhuh, yep, aha, why yes, exactly.
drippingcunningrunt 2 years ago
0:24 0:29 elbow closeup, it then moves, red hat near blue shirt, blue shirt swipes head + grimace + abrupt move, 0:25 lady in pink shirt + male in camo & red beret & camera aligned w left frame moves in sync w blue shirt; 0:32 first full view mushroom cloud, smoke, human remains, Lockheed C-130, dirt. +parachute extraction of *something* + harm as a result of that parachute extraction. murder. No question.
drippingcunningrunt 2 years ago
stupid camera man! he was in the freaken way and i was so exited to see that explosion! BUT NO! I HAD TO SEE THE SMOKE! huh. lol
CrazyycclowN 2 years ago
Again, the cause of this crash was the pilot establishing an excessive sink rate which resulted in the aircraft impacting the ground and subsequent loss of control. There was no problem with the parachutes
The wheels are always lowered for this maneuver, because once in awhile they (lightly) touch the LAPES zone. They aren't supposed to, but it's better for the tires to touch rather than the bottom of the plane, obviously.
k5vg 2 years ago 2
I was in the tank. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaa
Struckgold 2 years ago 3
me 2. =)
RicMpt 2 years ago 2
I worked as a crash rescue specialist for the 119th AVN company
( in those days 51M20) at Miller army airfield, Pope AFB and camp McCall army airfield from 1975-78.
After seeing many such practice runs and also reviewing the film many, many times and further not being a pilot, I was wondering if perhaps the chute was not deployed too soon and brought down the pilots airspeed too much to pull up flat. Any pilots out there feel that might be feasible? Thank you for your input.
InteriorCommando 2 years ago
I'm no expert but the decent did look very steep but it didn't blow when it hit the ground, only after it had run for some time, so maybe it wasn't the impact that caused the problem??
bathroomdealer 2 years ago
you need to make a big big big mistake to crash c130.
shaikhdishgan1 2 years ago 2
looks to me that the tank was not released properly and the parashute draged the plane to the ground is this release controlled by the pilot ?
jnewbon00 2 years ago
Its obvious that this is a straight case of pilot error as he trys to show off and it back fires. You can see his approach was way to steep, no one to blame but the pilot in this one
matt7106 2 years ago 5
im not convinced as it seems to drop as soon as the shoot is relased and fills u can see he reacts to it by pulling up so once again i ask is the release controlled by the pilot or by another member of the crew
if the pilot released the shoot and 4 some reason the tank was still clamped so to speek to the floor this would explain the events that transpire thing is i cant see that the approch was to steep it looks perfectly fine to me untill the shoot event
jnewbon00 2 years ago
or is what im saying just simply not possible with the size of shoot compared to the enursia of the plane
in this type of drop do they do a touch down and lift off ? coz that to would explain it ya know he just sorta aimed it a lil bit wrong an whack !! oh dear i ballsed that up
jnewbon00 2 years ago
the loadmaster is repsonsible for everything dropped out of the aircraft, he is the one that releases the load, the pilot just gets the loadmaster on target. the shoot was only big enough to drag out the load. ive never seen them touch the ground and a drop like that but im not sayin its not possible. i agree though it all looks ok until the shoot comes out but at the same time thats when the pilot makes his mistake.
matt7106 2 years ago
Can I get a HUAW!!!???!!!
Kurash77 2 years ago
Ah yes Fort Bragg...I was assigned to 7th SFGA when this happened...memories...
snakeplt 2 years ago
FT. BRAGG, RIGHT