Fault Lines - Obama's war in Afghanistan - 13 Nov 09 - Pt 1

[Truthforfreedom1]

They call it a war to make it look justified, but infact it is an invasion.

[701shep]

obama has been put in power to bring the u s to its knees and he's doing a good job look what he did to us britsh with our nuclear secrets and the russians if we had done that to the u s it would have ment war im sick of being the american lap dog

[MrStrawhatlegend]

The war in afghanistan is going to last another decade.

[MrBoy219]

How we going to pay for this stupid war..??? mr obam wama

[Realafghany]

She dos't reprasent Afghan, so shut up bich.

[MindMyFist]

Geez, you guys take this shit up the ass. Bottom line is this, we can't win a war against terrorism. Pull the troops out and let them be with their families and come back to their homes so we can all improve our own country. This war is not Obama's fault, it was being fought before he was in office. We all know how is the failure here.

[lucarox123]

did u hear obamas speech not this video wen he was interviewed on jay leno he said that they have been fighting in afgan for more than 6 years now if he pulls them out what has he accoplished NOTHING hes a loser he resigned and lost the war so instead hes going full force and ending it for peace so at the end the arabs will learn there god damn lesson and the troops will come back as heros and winners to save america and to spread peace than after that is done he will pull troops out of iraq

[TbaginANDBuck]

@str8guerillaz You can't just staight up pull the troops out of the Middle East, lol!

[slayyyyn]

mmmm mariam is niceee

[jove04]

Most Americans think it is Obama who runs the country. They are mistaken. The country is run by a shadow government in the background. He is just the from man for them. You want to know who rules America? Check Obama's advisers, the head of the Federal Reserve, The head of the treasury, AIPAC and CFR. What do all have in common? They are all Zionist Jews.

[olejazzman]

First Obama was a naive politician who had the odessity to run for president. During his campaign he was called a liberal, socialist, communist, domestic terrorist, muslim, radical, black nationalist, non citizen, racist, and now he's pals with Zionist Jews. Don't you people understand? First and foremost, he is our leader. Learn to follow him and support him instead of using these mindless attacks.

[8545787875645768]

im a firm believer he is a communist!

[olejazzman]

So what's your point?

[Ome99]

nope, he is just a fucking zionist, who wants to spend your tax money to give to isreal.

[olejazzman]

So, is this the same shadow government that ran Bush and his administration? Check out Bush's advisers, the oil companies, Haliburton, Rush Limbaugh, The Bin Laden family, Dick Cheney, key members of the Federal Reserve, Carl Rove, Madoff and other members of the New World Order. Now you know why the average American is suffering, and the rich keep getting richer. I surely hope you are one of the rich who are enjoying the fruits of the NWO.

[mattydigs]

Seriously how fucking dumb can all of you be? What would WE (the u.s.) do if some other country invaded us? We'd try to kill them!

[fruitsofnews]

Mariam is a graduate of the Georgetown University Law Center (J.D., cum laude 1999), where she served on the editorial board of Law and Policy in International Business and of George Mason University (B.A., International Studies, summa cum laude, 1995), where she was a recipient of the Peat-Marwick, Datatel and John C. Wood scholarships and a White House intern." lol: A WHITE HOUSE INTERN.

[fruitsofnews]

Dont you just love the internet? Well here is who Mrs. Afghan social entrepreneur is: "Mariam is a graduate of the Georgetown University Law Center (J.D., cum laude 1999), where she served on the editorial board of Law and Policy in International Business and of George Mason University (B.A., International Studies, summa cum laude, 1995), where she was a recipient of the Peat-Marwick, Datatel and John C. Wood scholarships and a White House intern." A WHITE HOUSE INTERN.... ha! lol... ooooooook!

[fruitsofnews]

need one say more? not much I presume. Honestly: ... she is smart ... and hot! Bu a representative of the Afghan people... GIMME A BREAK!

[fruitsofnews]

Aviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii­iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii­ii..... this is the type of person you used to fry and eat for breakfast on your canadian show "on the map". How could you not see this unfold before your eyes. You''d better put her up against Malalya Joya in a face to face debate. Thatd settle things quick. Good lord. I understand why you invited her... but puhlease!

[dggfhdfghdf]

actually, I'm Catholic. whats your point?

Now, if Muslims would start acting like human beings, THEN Islam might have a chance.

[MrSamKool]

I don't get it. I'm a little confused now. You seem to direct your own anger on someone who does not have total control to change the lives of thousands in Afghanistan.

The woman was just giving her perspective. I don't think she was there to make changes or enlighten us. You have to understand and I'm sure you do, that people will express their side or their view regardless if people agree with them or no. I think you should give the woman a chance as opposed to attacking her.

[MrSamKool]

Your right that she has some weakness about the subject matter and that she's lacking accurate understanding about the situation in Afghanistan.

But I think you shouldn't show this much anger and emotion just because someone has expressed their version of how they see it. But I do agree where your coming from. I just don't think you should get this angry about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion in this country and that's a given fact.

[dggfhdfghdf]

salami,

of course no harm can reach us, evrey attack you losers plan gets thwarted! lol

It's a joke. You idiots ruin the good name of Islam. Congratulations, and may Christ help you.

[MrSamKool]

I agree with you, but I just like her cuz she looks so good. She doesn't have brains but the looks. LOL!

[Ome99]

LOL, that woman doesnt know shit, THERE WAS A CIVIL WAR IN AFGHANISTAN in the 70s, originally, there was socialist uprising in the mid 70s, they tried to implement communist strategies like taking land from rich to poor, and obviously that lead to civil war between socialist giverment plus mujahidden, then 1979, the second n hand overthrows the socialist leader, kremlin fear he turns to US for military support, since USSR refused to implement its own prevously to crush mujahiden, NOW they invade

[Ome99]

bush was an iraq fail, obama is gunna be an afghanistan fail, and if you think those terrorists are gunna limit themsleves to one battlefield and time, then you are wrong, stabilize afghanistan, IF you can, and there pops another country, maybe iran, who knows?

[holytemplar]

ya. i agree with ome99!

[Mirwaise88]

Maryam we didn`t need USA to help us fight and you saying that they help with weapons not with man power!And we could have one without USA help.

[Mirwaise88]

Maryam you don`t fuckin know nothing!Matthew is talkin sense i know becze i am Afghan my self.

[pamirzaad]

the afghans have no story of welcoming any foreign troops under any circumstances. the bitch is just bluffing and she has no other choice coz she advocates the current afghan administration.

on second thought she advocates an high class prostitute than the afghan "voice"

[aelffin]

Why they hell are there any Americans on this panel at all? The only people who have any business commenting on Afghanistan are Afghans.

[TVACdotCA]

What a great program. Just the start of what would be necessary for the American and international public to really understand the history and contours of this war and occupation.

Three cheers to Avi Lewis and Fault Lines. Terrific!

[aceone1988]

This lady dose not represent the majority view of Afghans but she try to acts like she has her own agenda.

[sleeplessintokyo]

great stuff by ALJ.. Jeremy Scahill is as usual unstoppable with his facts.

[burdamoden]

USA real wish in Afghanistan is to establish country loyal to USA, and which will conduct USA interests in that important region. Its neighbors are All central Asian countries, which are all developed with literacy rate higher than in USA, rich with natural recourse but poor in life, China - important, Pakistan - important, India and Russia as neighbors to Afghan neighbors. This is pure geopolitics. USSR build all the buildings, schools and hospitals that right now exist in Afghanistan.

[burdamoden]

After withdrawal of USSR, Dr. Najibullah and Afghans government stayed in power for another three years, do you think that Karzai will last for more than 2 months if USA withdraw troops?

Afghan Lady sound ridiculous and typically American, with perfect American English, which led me to think that she lives in USA most of her years hence cannot be deemed expert in Afghanistan questions.

[burdamoden]

Comment: USSR invaded Afghanistan because it wanted to secure his borders and modern Afghanistan. Pakistan was afraid by the speed of USSR & India relationship growth, hence easily agreed to support guerrillas (mujaheddin) with USA supply of military staff, USA helped guerrillas not because they loved Afghans, but because they were afraid that USSR will build modern Afghanistan, do the same with Pakistan and develop socialistic bridge on entire Asian subcontinent. This is quick analysis.

[TRUTHvsDECEPTION]

Too much Human Blood has been spieled in Afghanistan.

World please stop the War.

Utilize half of the War money to rehab Afghan's that are devastated for 35 years of Wars.

[KhanZazai]

this lady is a donnut. Aljazeera must bring someone with political aptitude.

Afghans are the ones who will decide the result of the war. USA is not fighting anyone else but afghans. You may make Plans but Allah is the Best Planner.

[xxashyy]

"Crusie missle liberals" LOL Excellent. "That about describes the Clinton wing of the democrat party on this issue.

[wka656]

this war is not obamas war...its Americas war and our war and we must fight it to protect our values, our freedom and our sovereignty....and to get back what we have lost ..not only since Clinton but since Hoover and FDR...he was an idiot !!!

[Mahmood42978]

what does being in another country have to to with protecting your values?

wouldn't you have to be in your OWN country to do that?

get your own house in order before trying to meddle with someone elses

[AFGHANVIEW]

brainwashed zombie

[churchmn]

Jeremy Scahill is right. The Northern Alliance are drug dealers, and Hamid Karzai is a Unocal lackey who was put there to pave the way for an oil pipeline to be built from the Caspian Basin through Afghanistan to an export terminal in Pakistan. Those plans have been updated to avoid the area of Waziristan (which is Taliban controlled), but too many Afghans are joining the Taliban to get the US out of their country. Anyone who thinks we went there to get Osama Bin Laden needs to do some research.

[AFGHANVIEW]

the so called afghan woman is out of her mind.she is a tool.

mathew hoh and the otherguy make more sense and are more pro afghan that her and the fat face.

[Mahmood42978]

her name name is Nawabi, the Nawabi family who are the Mohmadzai's foreign minister's group, they have always been desperate for foreign support because that's what maintained their power structure

[AFGHANVIEW]

i dont care who she is and it certainly has nothing to do with ahnadzai or muhamadzai.

she doesnt talk for afghans here but for invaders of afghanistan.

[Mahmood42978]

well you have to understand the historical power structure of Afghanistan and how it relates to certain families, Nawabi being one of those families

so it does have to do with it, I know we don't want to admit that because we want to promote unity, and that's a good thing, but we also can't live blindly and turn a blind eye

[seenote0]

This war in iraq is unjust and racist aswell! This so called president obama needs to resign! Including the generals!

[ealiasn]

This lady has no idea what she is talking about... clearly she has her own agenda in wanting the us forces there...money

[galaxyjaz]

It's quite disturbing how brainwashed some people are. Personally I see this war as a second Iraq war, its not going to end well and it shouldn't have started, I agree with the guy on the left, its all about the money, the US govts cover up story that they are helping the Afghan people or want to stop al-Qaeda or the Taliban (i dont even know what they're after anymore!) is just ridiculous. If they really did want to help them they wouldn't be killing innocent civilians and sending more troops.

[8492troop]

the war in irac reminds me of the song '"Emty Walls''by Serj Tankian

[bararistheman]

Thank you for leaving the comments open AJ.

[zapproowsdower]

general's "patriotism" is disgusting. He has twisted his rationality into a knot, confusing love of one's country with love of one's government.

[micahgee]

Shes a puppet indeed

[nayabingi100]

who's war this is

[breaks0]

My sense is Niwabi (is that her name?) is full of crap. She claims to speak for the Afghan people in saying that they ever wanted the American presence there? Who asked for that? Say what you will about the Soviet occupation and Najibullah's regime, but taking CIA and American arms in the 80s doesn't at all mean that most of the Afghan population ever wanted American military or paramilitary forces occupying their country either. The Mujahedeen and Karzai aren't any more progressive anyway.

[setoraetoile]

I wish that afghani people will resist to western occupation. God bless you people of Afghanistan, pray for our afghani borthers and sisters.

[Pokhton]

and karzai was never voted by the afghan people ,he is a unicon Oil company worker used by the family of bush,the same tactic the english empire tried in afghanistan ,they sendet the afghans a SHAH SHUJA same puppet like karzai to hold the pashtun resistance back

[Pokhton]

the americans are helpless in the pashtun areas of afghanistan the new plan is and i couldnt not stop to laugh when i saw it on tv is,they wanna pay the taliban to stop the war against american soldiers.afghanistan-the lokal people dont know luxus most of them are farmer and they are very religous and traditional people they would lose their names when they drop the weapons for dollars these fighters are no pakistani or nothernaliance,they are pashtun and they have a codex called pashtunwali

[fruitsofnews]

it is the technocratic front. It stands for: "If you see a problem anywhere in the world from africa to latin america to afghanistan: throw western heuristics, western epistemology and loads of freetrade marketmania and authoritative executive bureaucracy at it untill the entire population is programmed and dumfold-. The only thing is this: Look at how she was dressed. Lol... Thats what? 2 % of the afghan population right there. Elite-ocracy. Nothing to do with the people. Ahh.. I could cry.

[micahgee]

I believe my country has two ways of dealing with other countries, bribery or warfare =S

Either you accept our money and military bases in your country and give us access to your land, sea and air OR we will bomb you into the ground.

Its armed thuggery on a massive scale similar to Roman imperialism.

Why is the bullet and the dollar so powerful? While the diplomatic pen, the cultural connection, the NGO remain unused =(

The fundamental problem is how Americans view themselves and the world!

[setoraetoile]

USA is controlling the gas pipeline, coming from Central Asian former USSR countries? This pipeline is passing in Afghanistan. If you are curious, make search, and you'll see that all american military basis are situated on this pipeline route. The pity is: population of these Central Asian countries don't have totally access to gas. So, notihing is new, it is basic control of natural wealth, it is typical of USA and of his friends, like France.

[Pokhton]

and there no schools no hospitals in afghanistan just in KABUL there are no jobs ,the resistance in afghanistan growing from day to day .karzai and america had just the power over kabul but in other provinces of afghanistan not.there some places in afghanistan still controlled by the taliban.the american mades the situation in afghanistan worster than in the taliban time!

[Pokhton]

the civil war began with the invasion of the english empire in afghanistan and never stopt habib kalakani was a tajik waterboy a thief supportet by the english empire they made him to a king in afghanistan to stop the pashtun march against the imperialistic british invaders.from this time the civil war becan ,this woman dont speaks for the afghan people she is even not a afghan.she dont live in afghanistan the people in afghanistan dont want the american soldiers there !

[jimed]

there is a mistake, both parts have in the title part 2!

[REVOLTbydesign86]

you just want foreign money dumb slut, the retired general just wants his future pipeline, the guy on the far left uses his brain matthew hoh is an american hero. whats the difference from slaughter entire villages or sneaking into a country telling them its in there best interest to go along with what we say or else, setup a puppet government dependent on the us.

[fruitsofnews]

Why weren't you on the stage goddamit?????? Thats what this panel should have been debating. UNOCAL etc... China and Russia pumping cash into the insurgency through kasachstan. You think the kgb won't do onto obama(read zbigniew) as zbigniew did unto them? lo"L"! search for Jack Keane in the archive of the real news network dot c o m. Avi got the panel spot on. But he sabotaged our poor undercharismatic Hero Hoh... a REAL diplomat from his antics and all lol... he needs to grow activist teeth

[micahgee]

shes has an obvious interest in painting an impossibly rosy picture of Afghanistan

[REVOLTbydesign86]

MATTHEW HOH KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT THESE OTHER people are stupid and misinformed, i trust the man on the ground not some dumb ass woman. the civil war he is talking about is, the religious secular against the modern younger liberals.

[fruitsofnews]

apot on brother. Spot on. But Scahill was on point aswell. But well... we're casting pearls before the abyss... to stay polite ;-)

[wka656]

I am sorry and ashamed that none or few no how to stand up for America and its founding fathers belief system which is what has made this great and powerful country !! We have ignorant or cowardly Theologians who cant stand up for the truth of Gods word !! The Muslims started the Crusade Wars not the Christians !!!

[TEHREEKeINSAFP]

u idot crusades happened in middeleast not in europe

[wka656]

I claim that jesus is Lord over THE UNited States of America, not Obama and not his Islam or his Marxist Socialism or the this Satan Alla !! We do not accept your religion but if you need freedom then you are welcome here...leave your religion where ever you came from...this includes false Christian beliefs like Catholosism, Jehovah Witness, Mormons etc etc....Your satanic cults and thats all they are!! If your not happy with this then go live in Iran !!!

[AYEMAQ]

jesus pbh never said i am lord

never said i am God

stop claiming something he never claimed

stop accusing him of something that he never said

no where in the bible he says I AM GOD WORSHIP ME

non of his followers worshiped him

but he had a lord himslf a creator

and he worshiped the creator not himslf

so stop accusing him plz

[Ristar85]

America's founding fathers were christians?