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In life, we all in one way or another face a Kobyashi Maru. A no win scenario, being trying to get a career, find love, get a new car, or even survive a disease such as cancer or pnemonia. Some people don't come out of any of the scenarios/situations that I have just meantioned, there is no way that anyone can cheat death. One can only postpone it, if they are even that lucky. Live for the here and now, live for you and your loved ones. For you never know when you'll take that forever sleep.
Clearly some of you have never played a video game. Perhaps they're just simulacrums of real life, but it's perfectly easy to feel fear or suspense/anxiety from a video game. At least to some extent. Though I know some people are just naturally emotional rocks...
Besides, I think it was more "fear of failure" than anything else.
Nice video! I've come back to it a few times during the last two days because I just want to see it again :).
Star Trek is an amazing fantasy but our U.S. Navy and Sub Fleet is REAL and completely awesome. Do you know anyone who has earned their Dolphins, Trident or Wings? Watch the History Channel, TLC and Discovery to learn just some of what our men and women go through to serve our country as part of the U.S. Navy...
@loner1878 Stale is a matter of taste...literally. Star Trek is not about whether or not it's EXCITING or OH BOY Explosions. It's about true adventure, the adventure of the human condition. Just because you did not like the TNG movies does not mean their junk. The last one was not as good as Generations, But all of the TNG films are true Star Trek. This last one was Star Wars episode (-3), it even had the magical folding swards. True Trekkers love Trek for the thought provoking stories.
Roddenberry himself did say Star Trek was a lot about action as well as being intellectual. The new Star Trek was exactly what was needed to re-energize the series. The sequels are supposed to be more in line with traditional themes of the film though.
@loner1878 Wrong again. Roddenberry never said anything about action regarding Star Trek. In fact the screen plays he wrote (Star Trek The motion Picture, TNG: Encounter at Far Point and The Cage) lacked the kind of action you expect from a movie. The new film killed Star Trek. And if you believe the lie "The sequel will have a moral" You’re really in for a shock! Star Trek was perfect the way it was it did not need "fixing". It was not “reenergized” it was mutilated.
Nope, lol, you're wrong. In an interview right here on youtube Roddenberry said: "One can over-intellectualize what we did on Star Trek but we always told stories of action/adventure." (Gene Roddenberry Interview 2:30). Want me to send it to you?
The new movie was exactly what it needed to be and it was great. I've been a Trek fan most of my life and loved it, as did many of my friends who are Trek fans.
@loner1878 To see Gene's definition of action watch his movie Star Trek The Motion Picture, or the premiere episode of Earth Final Conflict. They are slow movies without lame ass allergy and farm sex jokes. The science was dead accurate for their times, and Hollywood had little to do with what went on the screen. The new Trek is just the opposite of what it needed, and if you were a true fan you would know that I am right.
I am a true fan (you seem to be under the mistaken impression I give a shit about your opinion about me) and strongly believe Roddenberry would have enjoyed the new movie.
If you bother to really look at the film, you'll see its central theme is all about "choices." It might not be the most cerebral Star Trek ever written but it has re-energized the franchise and given it the re-boot it was in need of.
@loner1878 You are what we real true fans call fans of the name only. You will watch, buy and read anything with the name Star Trek on it as long as Paramount and CBS released it or sells it. "Choices" is a Care Bears’ movie moral. And it backed fired. Kirk chose to be an ass hole, he chose to cheat, steel, and sleep his way to the top of the class in school (not Death). When he did not get what he wanted he manipulated Dr. Zoidberg to get aboard the Enterprise. The film makes no sense.
LOL @ your pathetic insult attempts. You have a very high opinion of yourself, don't you? But you're what normal people call a snob.
Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are two of the biggest Star Trek fans out there and they wrote the film, so try and make excuses for that. I hope you're aware Kirk cheated on the Kobayashi Maru in the original series too? "Choices" have been a near-constant theme in all the Star Trek series, be careful before dismissing it as a "care bears" moral.
For Spock it was when he chose between the Starfleet or the Vulcan Science Academy, where he is told he’s been accepted despite the handicap of being half human. Even Nero had the option of being saved or be killed. So, in the end it is the individuals who weigh the options, who deny fate, and take control of their own destiny who come out ahead. Those who are slaves to the past get crushed in black holes.
Since you think I go for anything with the name "Stra Trek" on it, explain to me why I can't stand "Deep Space Nine", all but a handful of "Voyager" and the last few episodes of "Enterprise." Cos that's been bugging me.
@loner1878. I stand corrected you must be the explosions only fan, or the corny explosion only fan. You probable secretly like the last episodes of DS9 because of the immense battle scenes. If I'm wrong than it makes no sense that you like the new movie, because it is almost identical to both Enterprise and DS9 when it comes to bad story ideas. But when it comes to bad Screen plays STXI is the worst of all Trek. Heck its worst than "Plan 9 from outer Space".
Making up more bs, how suprising. I've never been able to sit through an episode of DS9 (not interesting at all) and have no idea what the last episodes were about. Nice try, but FAIL.
Enterpise and DS9 had little substance and the characters were hard to like (but I think if the Enterprise series had been the way it was in season 3 from the start it might have been better).
Keep on whining about the film, but know that no one cares what you think. Sequels are on the way! :)
@loner1878 You obviously care or you would not be trying so hard to change my mind. PS season 3 of Enterprise was the start of its down fall. There are only three good episodes of Enterprise; the premiere, The One with the Klingon bullies, and the mirror universe one.DS 9 had two solid good years then it started to decline. Voyager was the opposite of DS9, it started with a very poor first 2 seasons than got better. The only good Star Trek is the original cast and TNG.
@loner1878 ST:XI in 400 characters or less...Bad guy comes from the future seeking revenge on events that have not happened. Hoodlum Kirk gets on board the enterprise. Vulcans say: “We have no emotions...You Humans are STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! Punk ass Kirk gets command by fighting with superior officers and forcing them to obey him. Kirk's ill conceived plan to defeat the bad guy miraculously works and everyone forgets his uncouth behavior and gives him command of their flag ship.
The Vulcans make it clear they have emotions but choose to control them. Vulcan-human drama was common the series, let me remind you.
And that plot sums up a lot of Star Trek episodes. The captains' or some crew member's plan just miraculously works. You're just badmouthing the whole series now.
@loner1878 No I’m bad mouthing the new movie! There were no "miraculously working plans" in the original series. Everything had a solid reason in it and not every plan of Kirk's worked, and none of them had his desired out come. Do you really think that Kirk planed to save Spock at the last minute in Doom's day Machine, or to get infected with spores so that he can figure out how to defeat them? This Kirk planed to rescue Pike and have Spock blow up the ship, and it went off without a hitch.
Yes, there were many "miraculous plans" in the series. If you want to turn a blind eye and play dumb, fine. Kirk and the crew actually planned out the rescue and knew that the odds were agaisnt them. I could apply your argument to Picard being rescued from the Borg. That went off without a hitch too.
@loner1878 Riker's plan was well thought out and was not last minute. He took Shelby's plan and adjusted it to retrieve the Captain. In that episode everything is timed to the last second. The movie (XI) Kirk ran off half cocked with no clear plan. He was using the FORCE. And how the hell did Spock manage to drive a space ship 100 years more advanced than anything he had ever seen without training? In the show they at least had a couple of hours to learn how to use advanced Tech.
If you bother to remember the film you'd know Kirk and crew did plot out the plan quite extensively. Obviously luck factored in but that happens all the time in Star Trek.
@loner1878 You obviously are remembering it through rose color glasses. There was no extensive plan. Kirk had no solid plan, he improvised the whole rescue. Sorry but that's Star Wars/ Indiana Jones not Star Trek. PS. It was not luck that save rescued Picard it was skill. And all of the real Kirk's and Spock's plans were skill not luck. It was not luck that saved the earth in ST:TMP or ST:IV, it was Skill. Watch them again. But Even the "luck" in this movie was just plain impossible.
You're the one who puts on rose colored glasses whenever it comes to the Star Trek series. Many times spur-of the moment plans or extremely lucky breaks would save the crew. Deny it all you want, but thats the fact.
@loner1878 Sometimes not Many times and none of them started with a half baked plan like in this movie. Also in the original series-Voyager no one was forgiven for their insubordination just because they saved the day (Kirk did not need to be demoted in order to have a command). And no cadet was ever given command or graduated from the academy with the rank of Captain, Not even Taylor Scott (Conspiracy).
You want to chicken out, fine. That was some seriously pathetic reasoning on your part.
Funny, I was just watching TNG last night ("The Host") and saw exactly the plotline I'd been poinitng out to you. What kept the plot going? Luck, luck luck. (Humans can be hosts for the alien parasite, Riker surives a parasitic host intatct, negotiations are myseriously successful off camera despite how incredibly sick "Riker" is, depsite travel delays a new host arrives just in time).
As for "choices" in the film characters are repeatedly faced with choices shaping not only the direction of their own lives but also the direction of the entire world around them.
For Kirk the moment of truth came after the bar fight. He could continue on the self-destructive path his life has taken as a result of his father’s death, or make something of himself by joining the Starfleet. During the Kobayashi Maru, Kirk choose to reprogram the computers to get the choice of victory.
when I was in my 20's I thought that "Return to Oz" and "Highlander" was fantastic film making. Then I took writing courses and scientific theories. I discovered that the root to bad films being a success was fooling people to think that it's "what is needed"; by using flashy lights, explosions, childish jokes and corny dialog. PS. I stand corrected. But that just means Gene's definition of action was different from yours. For you it's EXPLOSIONS! For Gene it was Drama.
@loner1878 Also the characters were all morons. Did you not notice that Scotty (A warp expert) say that "I did not realize that it was space that was moving, not the ship"? That's the first rule of warp mechanics. McCoy was a quack of a Doctor. Did you not realize that he was injecting Kirk with full doses of drugs without checking to see if Kirk was allergic to them first? How about the fact that a helmsman does not know how to drive? The movie looks more like a bad parody than Star Trek.
You cant experience fear from a simulation? Tell that to those who serve in our U.S. sub fleet. Those simulations are very realistic and they are taught what to do and how to respond to nearly every situation. The responses become automatic, without hesitation or they wash out of the program...
I was part of a Simulater (Christa McCallif space center) It's a star trek theme. I was captain, it wa veary frightning... I geuss I'm gind of a nerd.
Placing Kirk and Spock together is really not a far reach if you are a fan and know the backstory of the two. Spock is half human and half vulcan and really didn't fit in to his culture just as Kirk was born into a life without a strong father figure. They both were living on the fringes of their respective cultures and never really fit in. Sooo... I think the writers drew upon the alienation of the two and they developed a kindredship due to their mutual understanding of each other's life.
In this movie, (spoiler alert) Spock tells Kirk that the Kobayashi Maru was a test to see how he'd react in the face of fear - fear of certain death... and later Spock steps down as captain because of his own inability to deal with 'fear' - and the inability to control his own emotion.
The beginning was just mind boggling great job in capturing the attention and then holding it. I have loved this song for some time and I am glad it was applied to this movie. GREAT FREAKING JOB!
This was amazingly good. So much so that I had to check to see if this track was on the soundtrack. I'm amazed that it wasn't! It's incredibly perfect for the kismetic relationship between Kirk and Spock whether or not anything more than a friendship is being read into it.
This is so beautiful and poetic. You tell a heckuva story with picture and sound! I can't stop watching. :)
Depends on how realistic the simulation is I suppose.
Everyone knows computer games aren't real and just simulations yet some can get so into them that they can jump when a zombie comes out of nowhere, feel absolute joy when defeating a formidable boss and have a sense of accomplishment.
So I guess, even when there's a simulation you can still feel things such as fear and other emotions.
I agree with LordReserei01. I'm an avid RPG gamer, and I can become greatly involved in them - including emotionally. If a MOVIE can do that to a person, why not an interactive exerience; so much more involved than a mere movie.
The fear is that you may wash out of the academy if you don't pass the simulation. In academic situations, I've known of people who threw up before they went into their oral exams with their doctoral committees, they were so scared.
@merakhagen Well, try playing some PC horror games at night alone at home with the lights turned off. Then you'll experience fear... and it's just a video game on a PC, not a futuristic simulator.
@merakhagen Fear of failure or fear of making the wrong decision is what I thought they were trying to bring out with the KM simulation. I agree the whole fear of death in a safe simulation is a laughable idea. I think Abrams screwed up putting that line in there.
The fear of not only failing the test, but knowing a sitation just like it could take place, a no-win scenario where they and their crew could be killed. Its no different from flight simulation tests in the air force or law enforcment firearm training videos - I've done the latter and even though I know it was a fake scenario it was still nerve-wracking.
@loner1878 Nerve wracking because you may look like a fool in front of peers and losing your life or your comrades next to you is different, people who have been in that position know and usually do not bring it up, those who have not have no choice but experience a close as possible scenario such as a simulator or just go on youtube and pretend to. :)
@loner1878 Yes, because you can only go through REAL LIFE NERVE WRACKING experiences aboard a starship.. and since you obviously have 0 knowledge in any of the previously mentioned situations *except your claimed open to the public fire a gun with local law enforcement officials day that your father took you to when you were 12* you should sit back and observe these conversations..
@Burnz2much >"Nerve wracking because you may look like a fool in front of peers"
You know, unless you've been in some sort of graded, vital, training simulation situation yourself, you should think twice before assuming and stating as "embarrassment" as the sole cause of being "nerve wracked" in that situation. Plenty of things go through people's minds in that state. "Looking like a fool" is usually the least of their concerns.
@RingSight91 First off you commented to the wrong person fool.. reread the conversation, second if I was never in a life threatening situation I would not have commented to begin with, which is why i responded in the first place because other's do not have the same restraint and want to be perceived as "cool".
@Burnz2much I commented to the right person, fool. It's YOUR "interpretation" of why fear in a simulation is different from fear in a real situation that I dispute. You seem to imply that people in sims would trip simply because they might "fear looking foolish in front of their peers". That you've got wrong.
And since you want to talk about "restraint", how about applying the same if you haven't been in any military simulations yourself?
@merakhagen It's a test of character as no simulation can ever match reality completely. However, if the simulation/training scenario is well thought out, you will feel fear. Real world militaries, police, and firefighting companies train with methods and scenarios that can, at times, be harder than the reality.
I would imagine that for each cadet the scenario is different and designed to test everything they've learned at the academy given that it is a final exam.
@merakhagen If you've been part of a medical emergency drill, or had a ride on a rollercoaster,
or seen some of the doctor training simulations - you can have "safe" simulations that still can create an atmosphere that isn't calming! Not sure about fear - but I think you can get semi-realistic intense pressure at the least.
@AeronPeryton That and the Kobayashi Maru test is always being updated (WOK). A cadet never knows what he's going to get when he goes in the test...unless you're James T. Kirk.
@merakhagen I think it's the fear of failure, more than the fear of actual death, that they expect you to overcome (and apparently inevitably fail) in the test.
well spock (not sure which timeline i am basing this on) was faced with that same situation in 'wrath of khan' and he found a solution. but supporting your statement, spock should have been a bit more logical in his approach.
Quinto's younger Spock is very much like Ioan Gruffud's version of young English Seagoing gentleman Horatio Hornblower in the A & E Network's Horatio Hornblower TV Movies. In those Great Films Young Horatio matures over the years . Horatio is always like a Bloc kof Steel, controlling his emotions especially Fear while doing his Duty in Great Danger.
Young Hornblower always works to hide his Great feelings of Friendship and Loyalty for his comrades even when he must order them into Mortal Danger
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Simon Pegg was horribly Mis cast as Scotty.
Mr. Scott was written as a serious character that had to be like a Serious Rock 24 / 7.
His character became larger than life because he Literally was the Power Source of the Starship Enterprise.Without him, Nothing worked. He was teh serious guy who was funny because he cracked a one liner afetr doing the Superhuman impossible task at hand. he had unintentional Humor with really can bring the House down.
This is a very cool song. WOW.... I just love how you pieced this together. The voice in the begging was great!. I made one about Spock and Kirk you may like that. I wanted to show Kirks Father, and Spocks Mother. How they are very much the same in so many ways. How they become who they are and what they lost. I really like you video.
Great vid. I love the use of the Placebo song. You did such a fantastic job of editing the vid to fit the song. I really loved how you used scenes of them as kids at the lyric "Tell me we both matter." That was really stirring. Good job! Five stars.
Wooow. ._. This song is one of my favorites. I especially like the way you made Spock's speech meld together with the clips. The "your father." part blows me away. < 3
commented on the lj but watching it again, I have to say that I love the parallelism and how you snuck it in on multiple occasions. And this song--perfect for this.
This is really fucking awesome, just to let you know. :) I find most fanvids to suffer from a lack of creativity and good timing; yours however was superb on all counts. Even my boyfriend, who is appalled by the fact that I pair Spock and Kirk together, liked the vid, and he is even more critical than I am. Good job, and I'll be looking for more from you.
I think this was one of my more boyfriend friendly fan creations. I like to think that it could be gen if you squint and look at it kind of sideways - because Kirk/Spock are just so obviously meant to be. *grins*
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sek17514 1 month ago
In life, we all in one way or another face a Kobyashi Maru. A no win scenario, being trying to get a career, find love, get a new car, or even survive a disease such as cancer or pnemonia. Some people don't come out of any of the scenarios/situations that I have just meantioned, there is no way that anyone can cheat death. One can only postpone it, if they are even that lucky. Live for the here and now, live for you and your loved ones. For you never know when you'll take that forever sleep.
Chance72007 1 month ago
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SuperHaddockman 4 months ago
Clearly some of you have never played a video game. Perhaps they're just simulacrums of real life, but it's perfectly easy to feel fear or suspense/anxiety from a video game. At least to some extent. Though I know some people are just naturally emotional rocks...
Besides, I think it was more "fear of failure" than anything else.
Nice video! I've come back to it a few times during the last two days because I just want to see it again :).
TheCanoness 5 months ago 2
Great video. Also, a very cool cover of "Running Up That Hill" by Placebo, originally done by one of my favorite artists - Kate Bush.
hossola77 5 months ago 2
screw star wars!!!!!, and why are a buncha u guys fighting? just enjoy the fanvid and write a funny comment!
riggamourtusfriend 6 months ago
i want to see how batman deals with this test
RayquazaZer 6 months ago
Don't feed the trolls.
finalfrontier1701 7 months ago
Star Trek is an amazing fantasy but our U.S. Navy and Sub Fleet is REAL and completely awesome. Do you know anyone who has earned their Dolphins, Trident or Wings? Watch the History Channel, TLC and Discovery to learn just some of what our men and women go through to serve our country as part of the U.S. Navy...
Xeliaely 9 months ago
@Xeliaely The New movie is junk! It's not even "an amazing fantasy". They took a classic series and turned it into STAR WARS.
P.S. GOD BLESSES OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM!
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
The more recent Star Trek films are junk. You'd have the Star Trek series stay stale and die out.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 Stale is a matter of taste...literally. Star Trek is not about whether or not it's EXCITING or OH BOY Explosions. It's about true adventure, the adventure of the human condition. Just because you did not like the TNG movies does not mean their junk. The last one was not as good as Generations, But all of the TNG films are true Star Trek. This last one was Star Wars episode (-3), it even had the magical folding swards. True Trekkers love Trek for the thought provoking stories.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
Roddenberry himself did say Star Trek was a lot about action as well as being intellectual. The new Star Trek was exactly what was needed to re-energize the series. The sequels are supposed to be more in line with traditional themes of the film though.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 Wrong again. Roddenberry never said anything about action regarding Star Trek. In fact the screen plays he wrote (Star Trek The motion Picture, TNG: Encounter at Far Point and The Cage) lacked the kind of action you expect from a movie. The new film killed Star Trek. And if you believe the lie "The sequel will have a moral" You’re really in for a shock! Star Trek was perfect the way it was it did not need "fixing". It was not “reenergized” it was mutilated.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
Nope, lol, you're wrong. In an interview right here on youtube Roddenberry said: "One can over-intellectualize what we did on Star Trek but we always told stories of action/adventure." (Gene Roddenberry Interview 2:30). Want me to send it to you?
The new movie was exactly what it needed to be and it was great. I've been a Trek fan most of my life and loved it, as did many of my friends who are Trek fans.
loner1878 8 months ago
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BondFreek 8 months ago
@loner1878 To see Gene's definition of action watch his movie Star Trek The Motion Picture, or the premiere episode of Earth Final Conflict. They are slow movies without lame ass allergy and farm sex jokes. The science was dead accurate for their times, and Hollywood had little to do with what went on the screen. The new Trek is just the opposite of what it needed, and if you were a true fan you would know that I am right.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
I am a true fan (you seem to be under the mistaken impression I give a shit about your opinion about me) and strongly believe Roddenberry would have enjoyed the new movie.
If you bother to really look at the film, you'll see its central theme is all about "choices." It might not be the most cerebral Star Trek ever written but it has re-energized the franchise and given it the re-boot it was in need of.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 You are what we real true fans call fans of the name only. You will watch, buy and read anything with the name Star Trek on it as long as Paramount and CBS released it or sells it. "Choices" is a Care Bears’ movie moral. And it backed fired. Kirk chose to be an ass hole, he chose to cheat, steel, and sleep his way to the top of the class in school (not Death). When he did not get what he wanted he manipulated Dr. Zoidberg to get aboard the Enterprise. The film makes no sense.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
LOL @ your pathetic insult attempts. You have a very high opinion of yourself, don't you? But you're what normal people call a snob.
Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are two of the biggest Star Trek fans out there and they wrote the film, so try and make excuses for that. I hope you're aware Kirk cheated on the Kobayashi Maru in the original series too? "Choices" have been a near-constant theme in all the Star Trek series, be careful before dismissing it as a "care bears" moral.
loner1878 8 months ago
@BondFreek
(contiued)
For Spock it was when he chose between the Starfleet or the Vulcan Science Academy, where he is told he’s been accepted despite the handicap of being half human. Even Nero had the option of being saved or be killed. So, in the end it is the individuals who weigh the options, who deny fate, and take control of their own destiny who come out ahead. Those who are slaves to the past get crushed in black holes.
loner1878 8 months ago
@BondFreek
Since you think I go for anything with the name "Stra Trek" on it, explain to me why I can't stand "Deep Space Nine", all but a handful of "Voyager" and the last few episodes of "Enterprise." Cos that's been bugging me.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878. I stand corrected you must be the explosions only fan, or the corny explosion only fan. You probable secretly like the last episodes of DS9 because of the immense battle scenes. If I'm wrong than it makes no sense that you like the new movie, because it is almost identical to both Enterprise and DS9 when it comes to bad story ideas. But when it comes to bad Screen plays STXI is the worst of all Trek. Heck its worst than "Plan 9 from outer Space".
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
Making up more bs, how suprising. I've never been able to sit through an episode of DS9 (not interesting at all) and have no idea what the last episodes were about. Nice try, but FAIL.
Enterpise and DS9 had little substance and the characters were hard to like (but I think if the Enterprise series had been the way it was in season 3 from the start it might have been better).
Keep on whining about the film, but know that no one cares what you think. Sequels are on the way! :)
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 You obviously care or you would not be trying so hard to change my mind. PS season 3 of Enterprise was the start of its down fall. There are only three good episodes of Enterprise; the premiere, The One with the Klingon bullies, and the mirror universe one.DS 9 had two solid good years then it started to decline. Voyager was the opposite of DS9, it started with a very poor first 2 seasons than got better. The only good Star Trek is the original cast and TNG.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
lol, when did I try to change your mind? Nice try. I'm just having fun here.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 ST:XI in 400 characters or less...Bad guy comes from the future seeking revenge on events that have not happened. Hoodlum Kirk gets on board the enterprise. Vulcans say: “We have no emotions...You Humans are STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! Punk ass Kirk gets command by fighting with superior officers and forcing them to obey him. Kirk's ill conceived plan to defeat the bad guy miraculously works and everyone forgets his uncouth behavior and gives him command of their flag ship.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
The Vulcans make it clear they have emotions but choose to control them. Vulcan-human drama was common the series, let me remind you.
And that plot sums up a lot of Star Trek episodes. The captains' or some crew member's plan just miraculously works. You're just badmouthing the whole series now.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 No I’m bad mouthing the new movie! There were no "miraculously working plans" in the original series. Everything had a solid reason in it and not every plan of Kirk's worked, and none of them had his desired out come. Do you really think that Kirk planed to save Spock at the last minute in Doom's day Machine, or to get infected with spores so that he can figure out how to defeat them? This Kirk planed to rescue Pike and have Spock blow up the ship, and it went off without a hitch.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
Yes, there were many "miraculous plans" in the series. If you want to turn a blind eye and play dumb, fine. Kirk and the crew actually planned out the rescue and knew that the odds were agaisnt them. I could apply your argument to Picard being rescued from the Borg. That went off without a hitch too.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 Riker's plan was well thought out and was not last minute. He took Shelby's plan and adjusted it to retrieve the Captain. In that episode everything is timed to the last second. The movie (XI) Kirk ran off half cocked with no clear plan. He was using the FORCE. And how the hell did Spock manage to drive a space ship 100 years more advanced than anything he had ever seen without training? In the show they at least had a couple of hours to learn how to use advanced Tech.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
If you bother to remember the film you'd know Kirk and crew did plot out the plan quite extensively. Obviously luck factored in but that happens all the time in Star Trek.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 You obviously are remembering it through rose color glasses. There was no extensive plan. Kirk had no solid plan, he improvised the whole rescue. Sorry but that's Star Wars/ Indiana Jones not Star Trek. PS. It was not luck that save rescued Picard it was skill. And all of the real Kirk's and Spock's plans were skill not luck. It was not luck that saved the earth in ST:TMP or ST:IV, it was Skill. Watch them again. But Even the "luck" in this movie was just plain impossible.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
You're the one who puts on rose colored glasses whenever it comes to the Star Trek series. Many times spur-of the moment plans or extremely lucky breaks would save the crew. Deny it all you want, but thats the fact.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 Sometimes not Many times and none of them started with a half baked plan like in this movie. Also in the original series-Voyager no one was forgiven for their insubordination just because they saved the day (Kirk did not need to be demoted in order to have a command). And no cadet was ever given command or graduated from the academy with the rank of Captain, Not even Taylor Scott (Conspiracy).
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
How many cadets saved the entire planet? And this is an alternate timeline, so one cadet did.
Plently of half-baked plans happened in the original series.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 And now the argument has gone full circle. This tells me that it is over and you will never get facts to support your opinion.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek
You want to chicken out, fine. That was some seriously pathetic reasoning on your part.
Funny, I was just watching TNG last night ("The Host") and saw exactly the plotline I'd been poinitng out to you. What kept the plot going? Luck, luck luck. (Humans can be hosts for the alien parasite, Riker surives a parasitic host intatct, negotiations are myseriously successful off camera despite how incredibly sick "Riker" is, depsite travel delays a new host arrives just in time).
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 pfft... nerd
critThreat 6 months ago
@critThreat
Thank you :)
loner1878 6 months ago
@BondFreek
As for "choices" in the film characters are repeatedly faced with choices shaping not only the direction of their own lives but also the direction of the entire world around them.
For Kirk the moment of truth came after the bar fight. He could continue on the self-destructive path his life has taken as a result of his father’s death, or make something of himself by joining the Starfleet. During the Kobayashi Maru, Kirk choose to reprogram the computers to get the choice of victory.
loner1878 8 months ago
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when I was in my 20's I thought that "Return to Oz" and "Highlander" was fantastic film making. Then I took writing courses and scientific theories. I discovered that the root to bad films being a success was fooling people to think that it's "what is needed"; by using flashy lights, explosions, childish jokes and corny dialog. PS. I stand corrected. But that just means Gene's definition of action was different from yours. For you it's EXPLOSIONS! For Gene it was Drama.
BondFreek 8 months ago
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@loner1878 Also the characters were all morons. Did you not notice that Scotty (A warp expert) say that "I did not realize that it was space that was moving, not the ship"? That's the first rule of warp mechanics. McCoy was a quack of a Doctor. Did you not realize that he was injecting Kirk with full doses of drugs without checking to see if Kirk was allergic to them first? How about the fact that a helmsman does not know how to drive? The movie looks more like a bad parody than Star Trek.
BondFreek 8 months ago
You cant experience fear from a simulation? Tell that to those who serve in our U.S. sub fleet. Those simulations are very realistic and they are taught what to do and how to respond to nearly every situation. The responses become automatic, without hesitation or they wash out of the program...
Xeliaely 9 months ago
I was part of a Simulater (Christa McCallif space center) It's a star trek theme. I was captain, it wa veary frightning... I geuss I'm gind of a nerd.
FooScorpia 10 months ago
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FooScorpia 10 months ago
if you pause it at 0:24 the blast on the right is shaped like a heart.
momanddad64 11 months ago 2
LOL and this coming from a non-combat MOS headquarters wana be.. careful of those paper cuts, they can be fatal...
Burnz2much 1 year ago
I love how all the arguments remind me of Spock and Kirk.
hestergolem13 1 year ago
Placing Kirk and Spock together is really not a far reach if you are a fan and know the backstory of the two. Spock is half human and half vulcan and really didn't fit in to his culture just as Kirk was born into a life without a strong father figure. They both were living on the fringes of their respective cultures and never really fit in. Sooo... I think the writers drew upon the alienation of the two and they developed a kindredship due to their mutual understanding of each other's life.
patriot91dsrtstrm 1 year ago 2
very good
julie5558 1 year ago
This song is done better by Chromatics.
MessiahComing 1 year ago
This is honestly brilliant.
winglessangel4ever 1 year ago
I've always liked this song, but could never really understand the lyrics..until now. Great job on this. Live long, and prosper.
WiseGuy5674 1 year ago
I love your video. It's AWSOME!!
danger0Robertson 1 year ago
...Perfect song & video...
SteveSabbai 1 year ago
I can't even express how awesomely fantastic this video is! Fabulous work!
FutureMovieMaker93 1 year ago
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In this movie, (spoiler alert) Spock tells Kirk that the Kobayashi Maru was a test to see how he'd react in the face of fear - fear of certain death... and later Spock steps down as captain because of his own inability to deal with 'fear' - and the inability to control his own emotion.
workstrength 1 year ago
This is realy well done, love the track used. This is a cover of a brilliant Kate Bush song. Thanks for posting this. : )
LoriCiani 1 year ago
Holy shit-sticks! This is the best fanvid I've ever had the pleasure of watching.
{clicks on replay}
Now excuse me as I melt from overexposure to awesomeness. ;D
chappy360 1 year ago
Normally, I don't like Placebo but this is pretty amazing
Bartman954 1 year ago
AMAZING vid. Great job!<3<3<3!
AmaraEmme 1 year ago
Okay, that video was too short! BRILLIANT work!
kamwrites 1 year ago
Azishome has got it right I think. In star trek the federation is life to these cadets. To think they might be thrown out is the true fear.
MrRedhead232 1 year ago 13
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OshSmoshBGosh 1 year ago
killer video
LadyBeth24 1 year ago 2
The beginning was just mind boggling great job in capturing the attention and then holding it. I have loved this song for some time and I am glad it was applied to this movie. GREAT FREAKING JOB!
CCA03 1 year ago 4
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LOL Spock with a lisp! Yeah right that's quite believable. Couldn't they find an actor who at least can speak?
sondano 1 year ago
I LOVE YOU! OMG, I wanna hug you!!! I love this song and I've been wanting to see a Star Trek XI video with it!!
GOOD JOB!
fullmetalgirl 2 years ago
I love this song, and I LOVE how you started this vid.
It's FRIGGIN WICKED. :D
Howlertabby 2 years ago 3
This was amazingly good. So much so that I had to check to see if this track was on the soundtrack. I'm amazed that it wasn't! It's incredibly perfect for the kismetic relationship between Kirk and Spock whether or not anything more than a friendship is being read into it.
This is so beautiful and poetic. You tell a heckuva story with picture and sound! I can't stop watching. :)
somethinguncreative 2 years ago 3
How can you experience fear from a simulation that everyone know it is a safe simulation? The whole concept is preposterous.
merakhagen 2 years ago 52
Depends on how realistic the simulation is I suppose.
Everyone knows computer games aren't real and just simulations yet some can get so into them that they can jump when a zombie comes out of nowhere, feel absolute joy when defeating a formidable boss and have a sense of accomplishment.
So I guess, even when there's a simulation you can still feel things such as fear and other emotions.
LordReserei01 2 years ago 4
I agree with LordReserei01. I'm an avid RPG gamer, and I can become greatly involved in them - including emotionally. If a MOVIE can do that to a person, why not an interactive exerience; so much more involved than a mere movie.
thedragonguru 1 year ago 2
The fear is that you may wash out of the academy if you don't pass the simulation. In academic situations, I've known of people who threw up before they went into their oral exams with their doctoral committees, they were so scared.
Azishome 2 years ago 2
@merakhagen
Programator of Kobayashi Maru is Vulcac...I dont uderstand it too.
stargayt 1 year ago
@merakhagen You've never served in the military, have you? We do that all the time.
rabthe45bravo 1 year ago
@merakhagen Well, try playing some PC horror games at night alone at home with the lights turned off. Then you'll experience fear... and it's just a video game on a PC, not a futuristic simulator.
adaseth 1 year ago 7
@merakhagen Fear of failure or fear of making the wrong decision is what I thought they were trying to bring out with the KM simulation. I agree the whole fear of death in a safe simulation is a laughable idea. I think Abrams screwed up putting that line in there.
Fbueller129 1 year ago
@merakhagen Then what of the horror movie?
heyharlot 1 year ago
@merakhagen
The fear of not only failing the test, but knowing a sitation just like it could take place, a no-win scenario where they and their crew could be killed. Its no different from flight simulation tests in the air force or law enforcment firearm training videos - I've done the latter and even though I know it was a fake scenario it was still nerve-wracking.
loner1878 1 year ago 4
@loner1878 Nerve wracking because you may look like a fool in front of peers and losing your life or your comrades next to you is different, people who have been in that position know and usually do not bring it up, those who have not have no choice but experience a close as possible scenario such as a simulator or just go on youtube and pretend to. :)
Burnz2much 1 year ago
@Burnz2much
Your point is? So you've been in command of a starship? Or just trying to show off on youtube?
I was explaining the point of having a fake simulation like the Kobayashi Maru to begin with, genius, a real life example wouldn't exactly fit.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 Yes, because you can only go through REAL LIFE NERVE WRACKING experiences aboard a starship.. and since you obviously have 0 knowledge in any of the previously mentioned situations *except your claimed open to the public fire a gun with local law enforcement officials day that your father took you to when you were 12* you should sit back and observe these conversations..
Burnz2much 1 year ago
@Burnz2much
Yeah, did your psychic abilities deduce that? You don't know shit but seem to like talking big on youtube. Don't get your panties in a bunch, dude.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 I state facts, you fold when your lack of knowledge is evident.. do not try to hide behind your passive aggressiveness, lmao.
Burnz2much 1 year ago
@Burnz2much
Ha, you're one to talk about a lack of knowledge. Go pick a fight on some other vid.
loner1878 1 year ago
@Burnz2much >"Nerve wracking because you may look like a fool in front of peers"
You know, unless you've been in some sort of graded, vital, training simulation situation yourself, you should think twice before assuming and stating as "embarrassment" as the sole cause of being "nerve wracked" in that situation. Plenty of things go through people's minds in that state. "Looking like a fool" is usually the least of their concerns.
RingSight91 1 year ago
@RingSight91 First off you commented to the wrong person fool.. reread the conversation, second if I was never in a life threatening situation I would not have commented to begin with, which is why i responded in the first place because other's do not have the same restraint and want to be perceived as "cool".
Burnz2much 1 year ago
@Burnz2much I commented to the right person, fool. It's YOUR "interpretation" of why fear in a simulation is different from fear in a real situation that I dispute. You seem to imply that people in sims would trip simply because they might "fear looking foolish in front of their peers". That you've got wrong.
And since you want to talk about "restraint", how about applying the same if you haven't been in any military simulations yourself?
RingSight91 1 year ago
@RingSight91 You are right, i grow tired of arguing with people who have no clue, the original post still stand's.. lol
Burnz2much 1 year ago
@merakhagen It's a test of character as no simulation can ever match reality completely. However, if the simulation/training scenario is well thought out, you will feel fear. Real world militaries, police, and firefighting companies train with methods and scenarios that can, at times, be harder than the reality.
I would imagine that for each cadet the scenario is different and designed to test everything they've learned at the academy given that it is a final exam.
dixievfd55 1 year ago
@merakhagen If you've been part of a medical emergency drill, or had a ride on a rollercoaster,
or seen some of the doctor training simulations - you can have "safe" simulations that still can create an atmosphere that isn't calming! Not sure about fear - but I think you can get semi-realistic intense pressure at the least.
surfsidet0m 10 months ago
@merakhagen Getting a failing grade on a final exam at Starfleet Academy is probably the fear Cadets are instilled with during such a simulation.
AeronPeryton 10 months ago
@AeronPeryton That and the Kobayashi Maru test is always being updated (WOK). A cadet never knows what he's going to get when he goes in the test...unless you're James T. Kirk.
SpockNation 9 months ago
@merakhagen I think it's the fear of failure, more than the fear of actual death, that they expect you to overcome (and apparently inevitably fail) in the test.
sakurakeiji 5 months ago
@merakhagen
well spock (not sure which timeline i am basing this on) was faced with that same situation in 'wrath of khan' and he found a solution. but supporting your statement, spock should have been a bit more logical in his approach.
chorister20002000 5 months ago
This song fits them wonderfully! I really like this video and enjoy how you had Spock say "One and together". I agree with finalfrontier1701!
10/5
Awesome editing!
Forgivemymesyroom 2 years ago 2
Quinto's younger Spock is very much like Ioan Gruffud's version of young English Seagoing gentleman Horatio Hornblower in the A & E Network's Horatio Hornblower TV Movies. In those Great Films Young Horatio matures over the years . Horatio is always like a Bloc kof Steel, controlling his emotions especially Fear while doing his Duty in Great Danger.
Young Hornblower always works to hide his Great feelings of Friendship and Loyalty for his comrades even when he must order them into Mortal Danger
Roadracer987654321 2 years ago 3
@Roadracer987654321 Hornblower was Roddenberry's inspiration for Kirk. Heard him say in an interview many years ago.
pisces196949 2 years ago
i so love thsi video it so cool an dsweet
kissmrule 2 years ago
This song was actually composed by Kate Bush. This version is performed by Placebo
123fork 2 years ago
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Simon Pegg was horribly Mis cast as Scotty.
Mr. Scott was written as a serious character that had to be like a Serious Rock 24 / 7.
His character became larger than life because he Literally was the Power Source of the Starship Enterprise.Without him, Nothing worked. He was teh serious guy who was funny because he cracked a one liner afetr doing the Superhuman impossible task at hand. he had unintentional Humor with really can bring the House down.
Mr. Scott also had dark brown hair !
Roadracer987654321 2 years ago
that was a good video
Leylaashley 2 years ago
I've watched this vid about 40 times.... I love it. it's fantasstic.
Lunarflare14 2 years ago 3
my spelling? not so much.
Lunarflare14 2 years ago
I like the subtle "...one and together..." line from Spock Prime at 3:03.
Great vid! You edited it perfectly!
finalfrontier1701 2 years ago 4
Excellent video. Some brilliant editing choices! Love the music, the pace, everything.
JKVmanVideo 2 years ago 3
This is a very well done tribute to the 2009 movie and to the Kirk and Spock characters
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inkedful 2 years ago
I had no idea Placebo did a version of Running up That Hill :'O
Treemeadow 2 years ago
That's really a great vid. Thanx for creating. ^-^
comen83 2 years ago 3
that was very impressive. I've never seen such a slow and calm song, touching as it is, used so effectively for an action movie
beldamsel 2 years ago 3
I LOVE this video so much.
Claramata 2 years ago
Your use of dialogue from the movie, your editing and matching of action with song lyrics really was fantastic. Wow.
katmatally 2 years ago 4
AWESOME!
FacultyFan 2 years ago
Love the song. It's a Kate Bush cover.
Tony211169 2 years ago 2
It looks like someone bit Kirk's eye. x3
But this vid makes me cry, it's every emotional. =o
kannastarr 2 years ago 2
I agree! It does look like somebody bit him!!! XD
I also agree about the crying. I cry every single time I watch it.
HyugaYukiko 2 years ago
xD Right?
Tchh, I woke up and I realized my playlist was still on and this came on as I came into the room, and I started bawling.
lullz.
kannastarr 2 years ago
Never bring up Daddy, Spock...
Iareyme 2 years ago 48
It's ok though, Kirk got him back.
shutterflie 2 years ago
@Iareyme SAME WITH SPOCK MOM
queenginbell 1 year ago
one of the best star trek videos i've seen
caigadressage 2 years ago 2
great video and love love the movie, I surprise that I would love it and Spock is my fav... :) thanks for making.
yocat31 2 years ago 2
God, this song just twists my hear every time and it's great with Star Trek... Ugh. Wonderful!!
nimoy42 2 years ago 2
I love the song, the movie, and the video!!!!! Amazing!!! Favoriting!!!!
MidnightWolv 2 years ago
This video was amazing, you did a great job!
Norphes 2 years ago 2
G.O.R.G.E.O.U.S.
hogwartsianhobbit 2 years ago 3
Fantastic! This video really does suite the movie and the relationships between the characters. Awesomely done!
rockker2010 2 years ago 2
absolutely wonderful. the beginning was just breathtaking
padsblack 2 years ago 5
This was breathtaking!!!
I loved it so much =]
One of the best Spork video's I've seen!
Amazingly edited, put together beautiufully
SparkledBeauty 2 years ago
Really well done, nice editing and a great song
yutu34 2 years ago
Awesome video. Very well put together - and the song makes perfect sense.
This is the only time i've liked any cover of this Kate Bush original.
cuttersboi08 2 years ago
brilliantly thought out!
freebrook 2 years ago
wow if you acutally look and pay attention to the ending that was extremely sad! good job.
RenoLoverX3 2 years ago
Literally, the best fanvid I've ever seen. Well done.
onceknownas 2 years ago
This is a very cool song. WOW.... I just love how you pieced this together. The voice in the begging was great!. I made one about Spock and Kirk you may like that. I wanted to show Kirks Father, and Spocks Mother. How they are very much the same in so many ways. How they become who they are and what they lost. I really like you video.
Bellenight 2 years ago
NICE !!
spokar1 2 years ago
I really love the way you mixed this..
mdevile 2 years ago
Awesome!!
Tilantelcontar 2 years ago
Great video!
Faie003 2 years ago
Wow! This was awesome! Brilliant editing and placement of dialogue!
dreamcatchr2006 2 years ago 3
Spock's dialog in the beginning really fits I think. Good job!
chinadoll27 2 years ago
I can sort of see how people would place Kirk and Spock together since they where close friends. BUt I love this video :D
TheVampireLover1901 2 years ago
I am one of those Star Trek fans that absolutely cannot see the the Kirk/Spock pairing
but I admit I do LOVE their bromance
hell, they practically sum up what bromance is ! XD
LOVE this video, it really is amazing.
well done!
amy2171987 2 years ago 7
OMG Im in love! that is an amazing job, the vid and the song match perfectly....
seerdahn 2 years ago
Brilliant!
nicelil 2 years ago
they picked the right guy to play kirks dad. He made that opening scene!
islanumblar 2 years ago 5
I'm addicted. I love it.
shutterflie 2 years ago
Beautiful timing and mood, overall. I absolutely love this song--it fits them better than I thought it would. :>
AkitoTsubaki 2 years ago
Perfect, just perfect! Thanks so much for sharing this.
SolarasInc 2 years ago
This is so...addictive. I can't stop watching.
I used to skip videos with this song, but your's has changed my mind entirely.
Awesome.
DevynRose 2 years ago 3
Great vid. I love the use of the Placebo song. You did such a fantastic job of editing the vid to fit the song. I really loved how you used scenes of them as kids at the lyric "Tell me we both matter." That was really stirring. Good job! Five stars.
BlancheDavidian 2 years ago 2
they are really dynamic, and I can learn so much from this friendship.
RabbitDance 2 years ago
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FebruaryLullaby 2 years ago
Dark and... perfect! The voice of Spock at the beginnig is mesmerising.
FebruaryLullaby 2 years ago 4
Wow, very nice.
Genoire 2 years ago
Awesome. Really awesome video.
The song is.......AMAZING!!
mydavevotional 2 years ago
Amazing.
Wooow. ._. This song is one of my favorites. I especially like the way you made Spock's speech meld together with the clips. The "your father." part blows me away. < 3
Like I said before,
Amazing.
Mirokiki 2 years ago
Gorgeous song, well matched to some great moody visuals = one very cool vid.
optine 2 years ago
5 stars!!
Disneyfan9 2 years ago
commented on the lj but watching it again, I have to say that I love the parallelism and how you snuck it in on multiple occasions. And this song--perfect for this.
mementovitabrevis 2 years ago
This is really fucking awesome, just to let you know. :) I find most fanvids to suffer from a lack of creativity and good timing; yours however was superb on all counts. Even my boyfriend, who is appalled by the fact that I pair Spock and Kirk together, liked the vid, and he is even more critical than I am. Good job, and I'll be looking for more from you.
misermeaku 2 years ago 4
I think this was one of my more boyfriend friendly fan creations. I like to think that it could be gen if you squint and look at it kind of sideways - because Kirk/Spock are just so obviously meant to be. *grins*
psychifangirl 2 years ago