I've been a student of judo for nearly 40 years. I have been fortunate to call Dr Sachio Ashida (9th dan/Kodokan) my sensei. In my humble opinion this is Uchimata or at the very least a variation of it. I've worked the technique this way myself when working with members of the US Olympic team. Not really that uncommon. Like many throws in the Nagewaza people tailor techniques to what works best for them...they make the throw their own.
@yohei6370 NO. First off it's Hane, not Hani. Hane Goshi is a springing hip throw. There is no "bounce" in Kosei Inoue's Oikomi or Tobikomi Uchimata. It may "look" like Hane because of the rising leg hitting the outside leg, but what makes Hane Goshi has nothing at all to do with leg placement. Leg placement in Hane couldn't matter less. It's about bouncing them in the air with your hips. Inoue never does/did Hane Goshi. This is Uchimata through and through.
you can either attack the right or left leg with uchi mata, hence inoue's fighting films dvd where he describes his EIGHT variations of uchi mata. trust me, having been submitted to it first hand on a course, it is DEFINITELY uchimata!
Uchi mata its an inner thigh thorw if the leg doesnt sweep/reap the inner thigh how could it be an uchi mata(inner thigh) throw...just asking by the way not bashing anyone...cause certainly its not a koshi waza technique....
@AJDevilx there's no mention of reap or sweep in the english translation of uchi mata! As long as the leg is raised between the legs! (either leg) and it is in the inner thigh area then it will be classed as Uchi Mata!
@monchthekid If you could see it slow-mo, especially on his DVD, his leg is going straight backwards, simply providing a higher fulcrum for the opponent to fall over. He isn't really pushing any part of the leg with his leg. He's allowing the hips to do that uprooting. It does look very similar to Harai, because he's using his leg only as a follow through, but his Harai looks pretty different than his Uchimata. You're definitely not wrong though. It's still Uchimata though.
In uchi-mata you can "reap/harai" either the close or far leg. Kosei's uchimata reap the far leg, and then his hips come into contact with uke, but it does not change it to a hip throw, it is incidental. In hane-goshi, the hip must spring from bellow and lift up uke, and it is not a reaping motion. There is no springing of the hips in this throw, ergo, it is not hane-goshi. I'll not even comment on the harai-goshi suggestion.
Well explained, loudenvier. I do uchimata in a similar way to Inoue in the sense that I reap the far leg as well. Though, my uchimata is not nearly as nice.
Haraigoshi and Taiotoshi are impossible to mix together. One is a sweeping hip throw where you go to one leg. The other is a hand throw where you need to drop your base and stay heavy on two feet. It's not possible to combine those two principles.
"My harai almost look like taio toshi so i combine them"
If your Harai Goshi looks like Tai Otoshi mdol88 then either you have no understanding of Harai Goshi or no understanding of Tai Otoshi. Neither of the two throws look at all like each other.
Mdol and Rywen you both are incorrect. Mdol, hanegoshi has NOTHING to do with a bent leg. It has to do with a "springing hip". There's no springing hip here. Rywen, this is part of a series of Judoka's favorite throw. Inoue favorite throw is Uchimata, and this is his favorite version. If you speak read Japanese you would see thr Kanji for Uchimata in the top right corner.
Ur incorrect. Wtf you mean its nothing to do with bent leg??? go look at tutorial of hanegoshi... im 6ft 2 and i've been practicing uchimata +harai+ taiotoshi+ hanegoshi for more than 10years now. That one right there is a harai. Maybe he calls it uchimata because its his own throw. whatever works for him. My harai almost look like taio toshi so i combine them
I don't need to look at a tutorial. It's my tokuiwaza and I've traveled the country and world to work on it. Google "judoforum inoue uchimata" and you can see a discussion of this there. There are countless guys that have trained with Inoue himself was well as Yamashita, Koga, etc. All agree this is Uchimata, because.... it is.
Besides. Some of the old Japanese greats like do Hane with a STRAIGHT leg. What matters is the springing hip. The leg is just a guide or pendulum, bent or not. 9/10 Shodans-Sandans do hane Goshi incorrectly. Besides, the Kanji at the top of the video says UCHIMATA plainly. It's Inoue's tokuiwaza and this series is a part of famous Judokas best throws. There is NO spring in this throw, and Inoue clearly sweeps up along the inside of the far leg, just like Sugai in the masterclass series of books
This technique is absolutely uchi-mata. The hip is deeper than the kata style of uchi-mata, but is a technically correct uchi-mata and definitely not hane-goshi. Just touching the far leg does not make a throw hane-goshi.
No vento it isn't. The kanji in the upper right says Uchimata. This is Inoue's favorite Uchimata. There's also NO springing hip, so it can't be Hane Goshi. It's an Uchimata that attacks the far leg, but it is NOT Hane Goshi. No problem tho. Most think Hane is determined by the sweping legs placement. It isn't.
It is very easy to get confused though. Send me a message I can findsome very good Judo clips that show a GOOD Hane Goshi. It's the least understood and most poorly taught throw in udo today. 9/10 Youtbe clips sowing Hane are wrong. And 7/10 teachers do it wrong. That sounds mean but it's true. Hane Goshi is THE most diffucult throw to get rightand understand in the entire Judo syllabus.
Yeah i actually got into this conversation with my Sensei last night. It looks like Hane goshi at the onset, but because the hip is used for rotation and not for 'spring' it is definitely uchimata
Admittedly he doesn't fully reap the leg back (straight) but he's still coming into contact with the inner thigh on the uke.
L'uchi mata è diretto alla coscia e non al piende, sfruttando una leva corta come quella della coscia. Infatti la gamba che prima viene mandata avanti imprime, alla coscia, l'energia cinetica necessaria a contrastare la coscia di tori che è ferma !
No Uchimata. There's no springing hip. The kanji in the upper right also says Uchimata. Inoue does more of a Taka or O Uchimata as opoosed to Ko Uchimata.
This is not "UCHI MATA" technic, but "HANE GOSHI" technic, my special when I was judoka
Axatapa 3 months ago
@Axatapa so... your trying to correct sensei Inoue? HAHAHAHA
crossfire1129 2 months ago
I've been a student of judo for nearly 40 years. I have been fortunate to call Dr Sachio Ashida (9th dan/Kodokan) my sensei. In my humble opinion this is Uchimata or at the very least a variation of it. I've worked the technique this way myself when working with members of the US Olympic team. Not really that uncommon. Like many throws in the Nagewaza people tailor techniques to what works best for them...they make the throw their own.
USAli4er 4 months ago
Hello nice video, can someone please let me know what video is this?, I mean the source DVD for this clip, thanks a lot
emm589 8 months ago
Ashi guruma, perhaps?
timo235711 8 months ago
This is Hani Goshi.... theres low mid and high Hani goshi
yohei6370 1 year ago
@yohei6370 NO. First off it's Hane, not Hani. Hane Goshi is a springing hip throw. There is no "bounce" in Kosei Inoue's Oikomi or Tobikomi Uchimata. It may "look" like Hane because of the rising leg hitting the outside leg, but what makes Hane Goshi has nothing at all to do with leg placement. Leg placement in Hane couldn't matter less. It's about bouncing them in the air with your hips. Inoue never does/did Hane Goshi. This is Uchimata through and through.
WhtMike2006 10 months ago
mdol88 "haraigoshi that looks like taiotoshi"
Perhaps you are imitating ashiguruma?
newazajunkie 1 year ago
Some judoka may do judo a long time but still don't know uchimata when they see it!
This is ouchimata!
Ashiwaza!
Thanks for posting.
newazajunkie 1 year ago
you can either attack the right or left leg with uchi mata, hence inoue's fighting films dvd where he describes his EIGHT variations of uchi mata. trust me, having been submitted to it first hand on a course, it is DEFINITELY uchimata!
Grove2000 2 years ago
Uchi mata its an inner thigh thorw if the leg doesnt sweep/reap the inner thigh how could it be an uchi mata(inner thigh) throw...just asking by the way not bashing anyone...cause certainly its not a koshi waza technique....
AJDevilx 2 years ago
@AJDevilx there's no mention of reap or sweep in the english translation of uchi mata! As long as the leg is raised between the legs! (either leg) and it is in the inner thigh area then it will be classed as Uchi Mata!
imajeed2 1 year ago
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thats a hane goshi..
spacejordie 2 years ago
no its not
feralheartbg 2 years ago
@feralheartbg yes it is
corux 1 year ago
This is Uchimata my friend. Learn some Judo and learn how to read japanese.
WhtMike2006 1 year ago
@WhtMike2006 Dude it really kinda looks like Harai. My Uchi Mata is really between the legs. His is like pushing the leg with his calf.
monchthekid 1 year ago
@monchthekid If you could see it slow-mo, especially on his DVD, his leg is going straight backwards, simply providing a higher fulcrum for the opponent to fall over. He isn't really pushing any part of the leg with his leg. He's allowing the hips to do that uprooting. It does look very similar to Harai, because he's using his leg only as a follow through, but his Harai looks pretty different than his Uchimata. You're definitely not wrong though. It's still Uchimata though.
WhtMike2006 1 year ago
In uchi-mata you can "reap/harai" either the close or far leg. Kosei's uchimata reap the far leg, and then his hips come into contact with uke, but it does not change it to a hip throw, it is incidental. In hane-goshi, the hip must spring from bellow and lift up uke, and it is not a reaping motion. There is no springing of the hips in this throw, ergo, it is not hane-goshi. I'll not even comment on the harai-goshi suggestion.
loudenvier 2 years ago
Well explained, loudenvier. I do uchimata in a similar way to Inoue in the sense that I reap the far leg as well. Though, my uchimata is not nearly as nice.
droman30 2 years ago
In fact, if you listen to the first words the narrator says you should be able to pick up him saying "Uchi mata to wa..."
sincewhen1990 2 years ago
It says Uchi-mata (内股) in the top right of the screen.
sincewhen1990 2 years ago
Definetively is not Harai Goshi, looks close to Hane Goshi, but we could say it is Uchi Mata
otapiaro 2 years ago 2
He showed me his uchi mata not long ago...it is VERY similar to hanegoshi. Well at least the way i do hanegoshi.
turismogamer 2 years ago
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is harai goshi no uchi mata
judokatenis 2 years ago
If it was goshi was gonna be Hane, not Harai, but is Kosei Inoue's uchi mata.
feralheartbg 2 years ago 2
what does the pointers say? i can't read japanese:D
jakelledo 2 years ago
i can't read the pointers!! help!!:D
jakelledo 2 years ago
Haraigoshi and Taiotoshi are impossible to mix together. One is a sweeping hip throw where you go to one leg. The other is a hand throw where you need to drop your base and stay heavy on two feet. It's not possible to combine those two principles.
WhtMike2006 2 years ago 7
"My harai almost look like taio toshi so i combine them"
If your Harai Goshi looks like Tai Otoshi mdol88 then either you have no understanding of Harai Goshi or no understanding of Tai Otoshi. Neither of the two throws look at all like each other.
anjonesuk 2 years ago 9
Maybe he mixed up the names, theres a shitload of them and I do that too sometimes
Jade3liphant 2 years ago
Inoue is the great!
bigfutbigfut 2 years ago
This is O-Uchimata, some might say Taka-Uchimata. But certainly not harai Goshi or Hane Goshi.
WhtMike2006 2 years ago
Mdol and Rywen you both are incorrect. Mdol, hanegoshi has NOTHING to do with a bent leg. It has to do with a "springing hip". There's no springing hip here. Rywen, this is part of a series of Judoka's favorite throw. Inoue favorite throw is Uchimata, and this is his favorite version. If you speak read Japanese you would see thr Kanji for Uchimata in the top right corner.
WhtMike2006 2 years ago
Ur incorrect. Wtf you mean its nothing to do with bent leg??? go look at tutorial of hanegoshi... im 6ft 2 and i've been practicing uchimata +harai+ taiotoshi+ hanegoshi for more than 10years now. That one right there is a harai. Maybe he calls it uchimata because its his own throw. whatever works for him. My harai almost look like taio toshi so i combine them
mdol88 2 years ago
I don't need to look at a tutorial. It's my tokuiwaza and I've traveled the country and world to work on it. Google "judoforum inoue uchimata" and you can see a discussion of this there. There are countless guys that have trained with Inoue himself was well as Yamashita, Koga, etc. All agree this is Uchimata, because.... it is.
WhtMike2006 2 years ago
Oh yea, when you google it, click the 2nd link that pops up. It's a 3 page discussion.
WhtMike2006 2 years ago
Besides. Some of the old Japanese greats like do Hane with a STRAIGHT leg. What matters is the springing hip. The leg is just a guide or pendulum, bent or not. 9/10 Shodans-Sandans do hane Goshi incorrectly. Besides, the Kanji at the top of the video says UCHIMATA plainly. It's Inoue's tokuiwaza and this series is a part of famous Judokas best throws. There is NO spring in this throw, and Inoue clearly sweeps up along the inside of the far leg, just like Sugai in the masterclass series of books
WhtMike2006 2 years ago
Oohhhhhh you think it's harai? How can it be Harai if the sweeping leg is on the INSIDE of the outside leg as opposed to OUTSIDE the far leg?
WhtMike2006 2 years ago
its not hanai... its more like his style of harai goshi... hanai is the inner thigh similar to uchimata but bent leg.
mdol88 2 years ago
That's hane goshi and that's not a correct assessment at all.
Rywen 2 years ago
im with you.. harai all the way! Uchimata requires raising the leg .. this is all Harai..
Hector2028 2 years ago
you think that you can teach kosei inoue how to make uchi mata? you must be the best judoka ever
uchimata14 2 years ago 3
This is a odd looking hane goshi
ilope012 3 years ago
ilope, it looks odd because it isn't hane goshi. it's an Uchimata attacking the far leg. There's no springing hip so it can't be Hane Goshi.
WhtMike2006 2 years ago
This technique is absolutely uchi-mata. The hip is deeper than the kata style of uchi-mata, but is a technically correct uchi-mata and definitely not hane-goshi. Just touching the far leg does not make a throw hane-goshi.
MrSeriousBob 2 years ago
What about O Guruma...?
oldmutha 2 years ago
What about it? This throw is definitely not o-guruma either.
MrSeriousBob 2 years ago
it looks like "leg" hane goshi. But of course goshi means Hip, so it is a strange technique anyway.
fairplaynow 3 years ago
this is hane goshi
ventoforte65 3 years ago
No vento it isn't. The kanji in the upper right says Uchimata. This is Inoue's favorite Uchimata. There's also NO springing hip, so it can't be Hane Goshi. It's an Uchimata that attacks the far leg, but it is NOT Hane Goshi. No problem tho. Most think Hane is determined by the sweping legs placement. It isn't.
WhtMike2006 3 years ago 2
It is very easy to get confused though. Send me a message I can findsome very good Judo clips that show a GOOD Hane Goshi. It's the least understood and most poorly taught throw in udo today. 9/10 Youtbe clips sowing Hane are wrong. And 7/10 teachers do it wrong. That sounds mean but it's true. Hane Goshi is THE most diffucult throw to get rightand understand in the entire Judo syllabus.
WhtMike2006 3 years ago
Yeah i actually got into this conversation with my Sensei last night. It looks like Hane goshi at the onset, but because the hip is used for rotation and not for 'spring' it is definitely uchimata
Admittedly he doesn't fully reap the leg back (straight) but he's still coming into contact with the inner thigh on the uke.
tokenshi 3 years ago 2
You're exactly right tokenshi!
WhtMike2006 3 years ago
wow thats pretty
eddiegun 3 years ago
ha ragione step !!! è esattamente un hane goshi !
L'uchi mata è diretto alla coscia e non al piende, sfruttando una leva corta come quella della coscia. Infatti la gamba che prima viene mandata avanti imprime, alla coscia, l'energia cinetica necessaria a contrastare la coscia di tori che è ferma !
cm14655 3 years ago
This guy has the most beautiful Uchi mata.
GingerOreo 3 years ago 2
Arf, c'est vrai qu'en regardant de plus prêt ça ressemble à Hane-Goshi !!
stephbleu 3 years ago
Hane goshi?!
juottavi 3 years ago
No Uchimata. There's no springing hip. The kanji in the upper right also says Uchimata. Inoue does more of a Taka or O Uchimata as opoosed to Ko Uchimata.
WhtMike2006 3 years ago