Thank you Angie for being strong and sharing your message! It is women like you who speak out and continue to support choice who really make a difference. Abortion will NEVER be illegal in this great country of ours, and I thank you for reiterating that! HOORAY for choice! All the anti-choice people out there can toot their horn and bitch all they want, the fact is the law is in favor of choice and will remain that way in our country forever. =0)
"TESTES AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE!" That was great. I lol'd. I'm glad you lived! Goofy as that may sound, I'm truly glad we live in a land where a woman has the right to protect and decide for her own body.
You already feel guilty and ashamed (statistics on depression amongst women who have abortions supports this). You no doubt will deny this but you cant be trusted you murdered a baby. You say the government shouldn't hinder women from having abortions because it's your uterus, but what about you hindering another human from living I mean it's their life right miss hypocrisy? BE CONSISTENT REMEMBER. As for your analogy about the headache, let's just say I can see where your son get's his autism.
@jcwatch23 Why should a woman feel guilty for aborting a zygote/embryo/fetus inside her when it probably improved her quality of life and enabled her to care better for the born child she already has? And as has been pointed out, yes, everyone has the right to life, but not at the expense of another persons body against their will. No, we don't own the unborn, but we do own our wombs and we can evict something out of it if we don't want it there.
@Karenthedoggroomer So you knew, 100% that she was going to die if she had that baby?
No one knows 100%. That is the risk you take when you have unprotected sex.
You own your wombs huh? Sure, but thats reason enough to abort?Thats like saying I own this house, but I dont want this kid living here so im going to evict him.
@Zaruk5678 If her own doctor advised her that the pregnancy would be dangerous, then why should she trust your word over their's? Why force women and girls to risk their health and lives as punishment for unprotected sex?
@Zaruk5678 Then you can stop replying if you want.
Like it or not though, it's true. People can be evicted, from buildings or land if they are bad tenants and/or can't afford rent, or from women's bodies if the woman doesn't want them inside her. As you said, bad things happen to good people, we all suffer at one point or another, that goes for zygotes/embryos/fetuses too.
@Zaruk5678 Sorry, I don't believe in "Satan". Anyway, that concept came from other religions. And this discussion is about abortion. Don't like it or believe in it? Then nobody can force you to get one. If you're a male, then that should be easy.
@Zaruk5678 well once that kid turns 18 you can evict him. But as law requires, if you bring a child into this world and don't put it up for adoption you must provide shelter and food for it. It's not the same thing because that child is already here.
@Zaruk5678 says:You own your wombs huh? Sure, but thats reason enough to abort?Thats like saying I own this house, but I dont want this kid living here so im going to evict him.
~~~~~~~~~~ hahaha, you kids have RIGHTS NOT to be evicted...a fetus has NO rights. A women OWNS her fetus AND her womb. You cant have either, get your won. read it and weep. Arent you embarrassed by your ignorance?? Oh right, youre a probirther who had NO self esteem..lolol
@Zaruk5678 That's perfectly fine. I encourage pro-lifers to come up with a fetus bill of rights and petition government to recognize the rights of an unborn baby; outlawing abortion. I'm not sure you will get the government to pass laws restricting what a woman chooses to do with her own body but good luck.
Continued: If you need to talk to me about this program, but choose not to talk here, please private message me and I can get you ALL the information you need. As an OB/GYN I give advice all the time, so I am used to it. This program will find your baby a good home with loving parents before your child is born. It will cost you nothing. Abortion DOES cost! Please go to the americanadoptions website to find more information.
For any woman or teen that may be reading this that has an unplanned pregnancy, please listen. There is another option for you that costs you NOTHING! It is called pre-birth adoption. I have worked with this program for a long time and it DOES work. It allows the birth mother to find parents for her child BEFORE it is born. That means that after birth the child goes to the new parents. It costs the birth mother NOTHING! Please visit americanadoptions to find out more.
If you need to talk to me about this program, but choose not to talk here, please private message me and I can get you ALL the information you need. As an OB/GYN I give advice all the time, so I am used to it. This program will find your baby a good home with loving parents before your child is born. It will cost you nothing. Abortion DOES cost! Please go to the americanadoptions website to find more information.
For any woman or teen that may be reading this that has an unplanned pregnancy, please listen. There is another option for you that costs you NOTHING! It is called pre-birth adoption. I have worked with this program for a long time and it DOES work. It allows the birth mother to find parents for her child BEFORE it is born. That means that after birth the child goes to the new parents. It costs the birth mother NOTHING! Please visit americanadoptions to find out more.
the poverty argument is obnoxious. what about how most of the world is in poverty? should they all get abortions too? guess what.. they wont. they like having lots of kids, and they don't demand all the things we have in America. and if they have less kids, that won't help them out of poverty either! it's much more complicated than that.
This is the most depressing YT video I've ever seen. Nevertheless, wishing you many happy abortions in the future! Hey, wait a minute...you could have avoided this whole situation if your mom had an abortion! I wonder why she didn't choose to "exercise her abortion rights." At any rate, it's a Brave New World out there, so get out there and exercise your reproductive rights again! You owe it to yourself!
@Zaruk5678 Here's some news for you kiddo- not all women regret their abortions. If I got pregnant I would have an abortion and I would dance out of the clinic.
Women can have sex without wanting to be parents. Deal with it and mind your business.
@Zaruk5678 Um no. The contents of someone else's uterus is not your business. It is indeed a shot at women- NO human has the right to use another person's body without continuing consent. You cannot grant a fetus rights that no born person has. Don't you have your own uterus to worry about?
@Bumblybee256 Ah you resort to insults. That doesn't make your point anymore valid. So you are saying that a fetus has less rights than a born person has? Why? It is still a person. Do you not believe in equal rights? It is NOT a shot at women. If men were the ones who got pregnant instead, I would be discussing this just the same.
Just because that life inside the womb does not fit in your current lifestyle and because 'you dont want it' doesn't mean its right to just end it.
@Zaruk5678 Um- point out where I insulted you. i believe I asked you a question which you seem to be unable to answer. No, I am saying a fetus has exactly the same right to use another person body that everyone else has- absolutely none. Actually, a fetus is not a person but even if it ws it's irrelevant. It is a shot at women- you can't give a fetus 'extra rights' without removing women's basic rights. The reasons for abortion aren't really your business and change nothing.
@Zaruk5678 Also- if we're worried about 'the unborn' here, at what stage do I get a say over how your body is used? Many environmental and lifestyle factors can negatively impact sperm quality which may then negatively affect the survival of a fetus. Do I get an input on your reproductive healthcare?
@Bumblybee256 Wrong. Anyone who claims its their right.. which in this case boils down to 'I dont want it', is completely NULL when compared to a life or death situation of a human being.
Rights only go so far, but when they start compromising human LIFE, that is when the line needs to be drawn.
@Bumblybee256 Thankfully, there are kind people out there who donate their organs and blood so that others may live. Unlike some people. Other than that, I don't see how your last comment furthers the arguement. Your going on a completely different level. I suspect probably because you are running out of answers or getting tired of arguing.
@Zaruk5678 Actually people die every year waiting for donated organs. Surely this could be remedied by having legal requirements for people to donate blood and organs if they are a match? The point here being that life does NOT trump autonomy at any stage elsewhere in our legal system so why should it for pregnant women? Who own a woman's uterus? Lol, you wish kiddo- you're the one ignoring my questions- when do I get an input on your healthcare?
@Bumblybee256 You make a good point about organs, but you are walking on a WHOLE different level here and using a much broader problem in order to secure your reasoning. And why are you bringing up the legal system? It is filled with ever changing laws that are flawed half the time. WE are talking about morals here, not laws and regulations.
@Zaruk5678 We are talking about the right to autonomy vs the right to life so actually it is very much relevant. In what other instance do you think it's ok to force someone to have their body used against their will to keep someone alive? Laws reflect society and protect rights, these laws affect MY life.
@Bumblybee256 That is null and you know it! That woman made a clear decision to engage in sex. What does sex cause?? Pregnancy! Take responsiblity for your actions. And according to your agrument, this woman stabbed her own liver and expected a liver transplant.
@Zaruk5678 Abortion is taking responsibility. As I have just typed sex is NOT just for procreation. People take risks and put others at risk all the time- it doesn't mean you revoke the right to your own body. *sigh* no, my analogy is very clear- you don't have the right to live at the expense of other people's body autonomy. I'm still waiting for your answer to my healthcare question.
@Bumblybee256 This isn't about organ donations. If you want we can discuss that too.
This is about a woman who had sex (what else is sex if not to have children) and not taking responsiblity for it and taking the easy way out because she didn't want it.
Not all people stab their own liver and expect a liver transplant.
@Zaruk5678 It is about organ donation. Women OWN their organs. We can choose to use them to have sex but not grant their use to a fetus. Sex is not just to have children, it has and never will only be used for procreation. Primates use sex for bonding and simply for fun too. Do you intend to only ever have sex for procreative purposes? It seems you are concerned with judging women rather than fetuses. WHEN do I get an input on your healthcare?
@Bumblybee256 This involves women because they are the ones who bear children. If men bore children, this I would be talking about them. Yes. I judge women. I also judge men, police officers, politicians, and preachers.
From what I got from your statement, is that you believe that women own the human being grown inside of them and they can do whatever they want with it. No one owns a human being. Now your getting into slavery. You believe in slavery? And why are you bringing up primates?
@Zaruk5678 That's not what I asked you- men's reproductive health also has an effect of the wellbeing/survival of a fetus- so would you be happy with me making choices about your healthcare options? I have not once said I own the fetus. I DO however own my uterus and I can evict anything I don't want using it. Actually- your belief that it's ok to force women to have their bodies use in a way they don't want= slavery. Because we are primates. Duh.
@Bumblybee256 You have a problem with bringing up other things that have nothing to do with this arguement and then molding them to make your point more valid than mine. Its like arguing with a child. Im done with this. Im getting no where and im wasting my time.
@Zaruk5678 Dear boy, you have not made a single valid point. Life does not trump autonomy- THAT was the point. You cannot demonstrate that it does. Off you go with your tail between your legs.
@ryanr20091 Do you have some sort of caps lock issue? It is of course about the woman because the fetus is using her uterus. There is no circumstance where t's ok to use another person's body without consent. Consent to sex is not consent to gestation. I don't think you ought to be describing children as a 'consequence', every child deserves to be wanted. I'm training to be an abortion provider and I'm very proud.
@ryanr20091 Your opinion really doesn't matter, I hate men who think they have the right to control women's bodies. You don't. Rape is NOT by any means rare and if you force a rape victim to carry a rapist baby you are every bit as bad as he is. You have aligned yourself with rapists- well done. Btw- have you any idea how many kids are waiting around in care.
@ryanr20091 There is no way of accurately gauging pregnancies by rape since not all rapes are reported, coercive relationships may not be counted etc. Even if was rare it would make no difference- these women exist and they have the basic human right to control their own bodies. Nope- we do not have the rights to use others bodies and neither do fetuses. Sorry dear, men are not the experts in this arena. You're in over your head.
@ryanr20091 It's not a gender war but it is about gender eqality with regards to autonomy. It's not just about the fetus, the fetus directly affects the woman's body. You are NOBODY to tell me not to be selfish- you will never live this yourself and are completely ignorant of the reality. AGAIN- WHEN do I get a say over your reporductive healthcare?
@ryanr20091 You believ it's ok to force your view on a woman's body- just as a rapist does. Lol, it as nothing to do with hating babies and frankly the way you talk about them is creepy. Do you only ever have sex for procreation? I asked you a question - WHEN do I get a say in your healthcare?
Nope not coldhearted- just matter of fact about rights.
Right- so you intend to have sex only for pleasure but women should only have sex if they are prepared to be a parent? You are like a rapist- women's autonomy is negligible to you.
@Bumblybee256 okay im sorry and to be honest your right i have no say in a womans body . to answer your healthcare question . i cant answer that . im sorry . i was nad because my girl had an abortion and it made me resent the whole idea . so i apologized im really a nice person.
@ryanr20091 Lol, I don't go for men who are in the same category as rapists. No self respecting woman would have sex with you. I'll take it you can't answer my question - you can't fathom the idea that YOUR autonomy is subject to other people because you're a hypocrite. I won't be wasting anymore time reading your drivel. Try not to let the uterus envy get to you.
@Zaruk5678 It's not the female rape victims fault either. If she doesn't want to carry and give birth to her rapists spawn, then why punish her and make her suffer further?
And it's not our job to provide babies for childless people. Look around further thenwhere you live and you'll see plenty of already born kids waiting to be adopted. Worry about them before zygotes/embryos/fetuses.
@Karenthedoggroomer Bad things happen to good people. We all suffer at one point or another. You can call it the 'rapists spawn' to make it look grotesque all day long, but the baby doesn't know what or who. Its just a baby. A human life.
And why are you telling me to only worry about the unadopted? My mind is plenty capable of worrying about multiple things thank you very much.
@Zaruk5678 It's not your place to make decisions about what goes on in anyone elses body and womb though. It makes more sense to deal with the problem of already born children who are still waiting to be adopted rather then zygotes/embryos/fetuses. And no rape victim should have further suffering inflicted on her by being forced to carry the pregnancy against her will. How would you force that anyway?
@ryanr20091 Lol. No, I simply care about women. Are you aware that there is more money to be made in the 'birth industry'? Incidentally, do I get a say in your reproductive healthcare? The other little boy couldn't answer that, maybe you can.
@Bumblybee256 The other little boy coudn't answer that.. your only throwing those out because you can't seem to come up with any valid reasoning!
What do you want? You think men and women are the same as far as anatomy? Sure if men had human life inside of them and one of them wanted to get an abortion we can have this disussion alllll the same. Go ahead. Im waiting.
@Bumblybee256 I didn't go off with my tail between my legs. I went to go spend time with my family. My god. This is why I stopped my arguement. You resort to insults because you think it makes your points more valid and to cover up the fact that you know nothing.
This all comes down to morals to me. Good or evil. Ive said my peace.
@Sueezee2 How is killing your unborn child not considered to be child abuse? I am a mother with two daughters and I am proud of them. I could have never killed them. Abortion in my eyes is child abuse. Pre-birth adoption is successful. I ought to know as I have worked with the program for about three years with a lot of success. If one does not want a child, take birth control. It isn't brain surgery!
Is that not what you just said in the paragraph below? You are sounding incredibly two faced. You just said abortion is taking responsibility and then you said abortion in my eyes is child abuse. So which is it???
@Zaruk5678 says: You just said abortion is taking responsibility and then you said abortion in my eyes is child abuse.
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LMAO...show me where i said "abortion is child abuse in MY eyes". You CANT. It didnt happen. Youre either a liar, or you cant comprehend what you read...im assuming both. STOP THE PROBIRTH LIES.
@Zaruk5678 And a fetus compromised her life, she took self-defense and removed it. Now, I'd think more people would be for keeping it alive AFTER it is removed from the woman, instead of forcing her to birth it just because it's alive.
@Roxas131413 Wow really, self defense? This isn't an armed robbery. The woman here brought herself in this situation and needed to take responsiblity for her actions in which she took the easy way and the wrong way.
And null. Its dead now thanks to this uncaring person. Always protect yourself first right? Selfish. Just a bloody excuse to protect yourself. Go ahead. Feel good about that.
@Zaruk5678 Armed robbery? Not really armed, but it does rob you of lots of things while it literally leeches off of your insides.
I would feel good knowing that I could still take care of my family, instead of making it a living hell for them by bringing another person into the world to suffer, or is it better to live a shitty life, rather than a good one?
Because I have lived the shitty life, and no way in hell am I going to force it onto someone else just because they have human DNA
@Zaruk5678 says:because 'you dont want it' doesn't mean its right to just end it.
~~~~~~ But, its alright to have it?? Do you know what happens to unwanted kids. In one study, unwanted children were found less likely to have had a secure family life. As adults they were more likely to engage in criminal behavior, be on welfare, a& receive psychiatric servs.Onefound that children who were unintended by their mothers had lower self-esteem than their intended peers 23 years later.
@Bumblybee256 How wonderful! I am so glad that you would DANCE out of the clinic where you just MURDERED your baby. I am a mom, an OB/GYN, and pro-life. I cannot understand how that anyone could say an abortion would make them happy. I love my two daughters with all my heart. I would literally die for them. I was born in a very conservative home. my father is a minister. I did not get pregnant, (nor have sex), until I was married. If one does not want a baby, take BIRTH CONTROL!!!
@bluemoondiscount I know right? How can someone do that? Only a person who would get an abortion in the first place. Are you really that surprised that they are happy about it?
Like I said before, this issue boils down to morals. Good, evil, or simple stupidity.
@Zaruk5678 says: And you shouldn't have made the mistake of getting pregnant in the first place.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Keep your nose out of vaginas that arent yours...unless you like it there and thats what all this is about for you~! Uless we can have ours in YOURS! deal?
@mylittlekittens ..Then you haven't read her blog from early in January of this year. Yes, just last month, she said she wished she were dead..Read it. She's not happy
@lonardozee Exactly! Angie did say she wished she were dead. Does that sound like the statement of a happy person? Abortions do cause severe depression. In a recent poll my clinic did last year (2011), we discovered that over 83% of the women that participated said they experienced extreme depression right after the abortion. More than 68% say they were still suffering depression ad regret three years later. Some are actually using anti-depressants. Abortion does NOT make one happy.
@bluemoondiscount ..I know..Why don't these Pro-Abortionists want to protect women from Post Abortion Syndrome? They don't even want them warned of it. They always say the woman comes before the baby. Seems kind of insincere, since the only thing they care about is killing babies.
@lonardozee is ALSO bluemoondiscount and a few other user names,. he dosent have the back bone to stand up as one person. Weak & whimpy, he need to make up other liars to help him..lol
@HomelessOnline Right. People who get an abortion often think of the implications after the fact. Its easy to decide 'I dont want this baby' when people don't think of the freakin future. Many people only see things at the present - thats why they say 'oh its not a life its not a life' how can you say that when they, themselves, were inside the womb? Doesn't matter what you call it, fetus, embryo, unborn, the fact that its a living thing inside a womb.
@Zaruk5678 says: hats why they say 'oh its not a life its not a life' h
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LOLOL, who in the hell says it not a life? What do you think women believe they are doing when they become pregnant, consider abortion, make the appointment and keep it? Getting a damned tune up on the uterus? Who taught you that women were stupid? your mom?
@Zaruk5678 says: People who get an abortion often think of the implications after the fact. Its easy to decide 'I dont want this baby' when people don't think of the freakin future.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ The same thing happens when you decide to HAVE the baby. But..THAT is fine with you, isnt it? Do you ever have a critical thought in your head?
@Zaruk5678 says: If men were the ones who got pregnant instead, I would be discussing this just the same.
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Ohhhhh, so youre a male?? Now its all making sense. You have womb envy ( & breast feeding, vagina, and chidlbirth envy as well...they go together) . YOu want to have babies, but you cant, so demand all women to do it for you, so you can live vicariously through them!
@mylittlekittens This "procedure" is MURDER! The most important thing is that if the woman did not want to get pregnant in the first place she should have visited her OB/GYN and gotten birth control. If she NEVER wants a baby, then get a tubal ligation. If the woman had not decided to throw all sense of responsibility out the window and have unprotected sex her life would not have been off track in the first place. There is no excuse for abortion, NONE!
@bluemoondiscount ..Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. I hope you don't either. You're input is VERY valuable. Other teens/women may need your help..Someone is still flagging your comments. It's making me so mad! Someone obviously feels threatened by your message..That means you have the right message!
@lonardozee ooh that was clever. just to let you know, i've never gotten pregnant, let alone had an abortion. just because i support her right to make her own decisions, and probably know more about the subject and the bible than you do, doesn't mean i'm a baby-killing murderer, and frankly, neither is she.
Congratulations! As long as you're alive, well, that's all that matters. Come to think of it, why do firemen run into burning buildings? Don't they realize their lives are more important than anything else?
Your unborn child is looking upon you in heaven wishing that you would ask for forgivness. Please take in consideration!!! He would love to meet his mother anyway :)
@TheAbeTate Her unborn baby is dead...hence the word "unborn". She doesnt need forgiveness. if your god existed why did he make it so that that child would kill his/her mother???
@rickross22 ..That "unborn baby" was alive, before it was killed..Indeed, we can't make our journey into heaven until we have died. That unborn baby was a Human Being. On a different note,you may want to question Angie's sincerity since she never names the "condition", yet tells us everything else.She states other reasons for the abortion,so she would've had it anyway.It's a sympathy ploy & gives her defenders a talking point.Too bad her son will know she gleefully killed his sibling
@Zaruk5678 i get that... still not answering why your god (or the person i was originally replying to) put a baby in her that will kill her. They said its not too late to ask for forgiveness. i say fuck you she had reasons
@Zaruk5678 says: 'unborn' doesn't mean it isn't alive and a freakin HUMAN BEING!
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LOL, YES, it does, oh uneducated one!! If a fetus was a human being, abortion wold be illegal and a fetus is NOT "alive" in the law. Why dont you take any pride in yourself & the things you say? Dont have any, huh??LOL
@TheAbeTate says: Your unborn child is looking upon you in heaven wishing that you would ask for forgivness.
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hahahahahah, if you cant get them with intelligence , go for their Disney World heart!! Sorry sweetie, abortion is a clinical decision and your sentimental dramatics mean nothing.
@Zaruk5678 says: Just because its a 'clinical decision' doesn't make it right
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WHAT??? Who in the hell said being clinical made it right OR wrong?? lerarn to comprehend what you read, dumbass. It was regarding sentimental BS from a poster. My kingdom for ONE intelligent probirther.
@Roxas131413 Yes you did. How can you forget something you typed less that 2hrs ago? Let me repeat what you said (in caps no less) "I hate abortion??? I hate war, I hate abuse, and I hate Hypocrites". That was your quote. I don't get the abortion part of your statement though. So, in summary, You used caps & then criticized me for using caps. You accused me of changing the "topic from abortion to hate", when it was YOU. Do you forget what you just said? Scroll down.I responded to you
@lonardozee 'I could careless if you hate me because I have no admiration for you. I care about the unborn babies that are being slaughtered, that don't yet have a voice.'
That's my point.
I was 'saved' by people like you, and you loved me so much *then*.
But *now*? I have a voice of my own and my life is suddenly worthless. Hypocrisy is the word for that.
@Roxas131413 There you go again putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. I never said I hate you. I never would say that, so don't accuse me of saying something that I never would. It nullifies your comment in its entirety.
@Roxas131413 Show me my comment where I said I hate you, which is what you're basing your whole argument off of. I said I didn't care if you hated me, because I didn't Admire you. Huge difference. Huge
If your abortion was medically necessary and a direct risk to your life, then you have nothing to be ashamed of. Anything outside that, rape, or incest, is disgusting and should be illegalized.
This is disgusting,I see where you are coming from, but have you have thought, a couple more weeks this baby could live outside of me, some woman who would kill for a child but cannot have one could take care of and love this baby, this baby could be the child I have now that I love so much, think about the kid you have and picture someone sucking out his brain. And also think about how around this time, that fetus brain has begun to create memory, they have videos of fetus' trying to get away
@zoey8572 Yes, the "Silent Scream" video narrated by the co-founder of N.A.R.A.L. Bernard Nathanson. His organization was instrumental in the passage of Roe v Wade & admits to lying to the justices.This gives him even more credibility, because he saw the UGLY side of abortion,He couldn't live w/himself. He's trying to repair some of the damage he's caused to so many babies & women.He knows what happens behind the scenes & he exposes the ugly TRUTH. It's authentic & oh so sad.
@Roxas131413 I never ignore kitten. I just haven't seen the comments you're referring to. I've been busy doing something else. I'll search for them now. Stay tuned...
its sad that you look at it like that.."im still alive" that baby that u killed could have had a bigger impact or reason to live then you know, that could have meant for you to pass away. look at it this way, if your son, in order to live needed your heart, which would end you life for him to live, would you do it?...its easy, wear protection, dont sleep around...yes i believe abortion is murder and selfish..im not trying to start an immature argument with you, im just simply stating my opinions
@lonardozee If abortion isn't politically correct, why is it legal? You tend to generalize all abortionists from a select group. Look at the person in this video. She's fine and happy. Her abortion went fine, so why don't you ever talk about that. There are complications with pretty much every medical surgery.
@bluemoondiscount That's what they get paid for. It's a legal job. And it's perfectly safe if the person does it correctly. Are you going to tell me that under no circumstances, abortion is okay? What if the mother was raped? What if the condom had a hole or broke? What if the baby will kill the mother?
@lonardozee What makes a human better than animals? A doctor can remove someone from life support when the family asks. Kinda like how a doctor can abort a baby when the mother asks. I never called the fetus a clump of cells. What you consider it is up to you. But what right do you have to tell a stranger that they need to keep a baby they don't want.
@toonytown2 I'm probably a bigger animal lover than you probably, I don't even kill spiders. I cry when a fish is caught. I volunteered at animal shelters until I developed debillitating migraines due to the sadness I felt every time I left the animals. That being said, Humans are on a higher plain than animals, although I know many humans that I believe an animal would be superior to. Just not as a specie.It is wrong to brutally kill a new developing human being
@mylittlekittens Angie IS responsible for the Death of her baby. That's a FACT. You originally responded to the poster that said Angie killed her baby. You said "No she didn't". YES SHE DID.
If you find yourself unexpectedly pregnant, do not go to an OB/GYN that calls women that have sex out of wedlock "whores." Mmmmmm.... I remember bluemoondiscount making such comments.
Thank you Angie for being strong and sharing your message! It is women like you who speak out and continue to support choice who really make a difference. Abortion will NEVER be illegal in this great country of ours, and I thank you for reiterating that! HOORAY for choice! All the anti-choice people out there can toot their horn and bitch all they want, the fact is the law is in favor of choice and will remain that way in our country forever. =0)
ShineandDine 6 hours ago
"TESTES AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE!" That was great. I lol'd. I'm glad you lived! Goofy as that may sound, I'm truly glad we live in a land where a woman has the right to protect and decide for her own body.
SmoochySweet 8 hours ago in playlist Feminism
You already feel guilty and ashamed (statistics on depression amongst women who have abortions supports this). You no doubt will deny this but you cant be trusted you murdered a baby. You say the government shouldn't hinder women from having abortions because it's your uterus, but what about you hindering another human from living I mean it's their life right miss hypocrisy? BE CONSISTENT REMEMBER. As for your analogy about the headache, let's just say I can see where your son get's his autism.
jcwatch23 10 hours ago
@jcwatch23 Why should a woman feel guilty for aborting a zygote/embryo/fetus inside her when it probably improved her quality of life and enabled her to care better for the born child she already has? And as has been pointed out, yes, everyone has the right to life, but not at the expense of another persons body against their will. No, we don't own the unborn, but we do own our wombs and we can evict something out of it if we don't want it there.
Karenthedoggroomer 9 hours ago
@Karenthedoggroomer So you knew, 100% that she was going to die if she had that baby?
No one knows 100%. That is the risk you take when you have unprotected sex.
You own your wombs huh? Sure, but thats reason enough to abort?Thats like saying I own this house, but I dont want this kid living here so im going to evict him.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 If her own doctor advised her that the pregnancy would be dangerous, then why should she trust your word over their's? Why force women and girls to risk their health and lives as punishment for unprotected sex?
And sorry, but in reality people do get evicted.
Karenthedoggroomer 9 hours ago
@Karenthedoggroomer 'And sorry, but in reality people do get evicted'
I've heard enough out of you. That one line put bile in my mouth.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Then you can stop replying if you want.
Like it or not though, it's true. People can be evicted, from buildings or land if they are bad tenants and/or can't afford rent, or from women's bodies if the woman doesn't want them inside her. As you said, bad things happen to good people, we all suffer at one point or another, that goes for zygotes/embryos/fetuses too.
Karenthedoggroomer 9 hours ago
@Karenthedoggroomer Satan.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Sorry, I don't believe in "Satan". Anyway, that concept came from other religions. And this discussion is about abortion. Don't like it or believe in it? Then nobody can force you to get one. If you're a male, then that should be easy.
Karenthedoggroomer 8 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 well once that kid turns 18 you can evict him. But as law requires, if you bring a child into this world and don't put it up for adoption you must provide shelter and food for it. It's not the same thing because that child is already here.
illahham 9 hours ago
@illahham Well that depends soley on whether you belief that the unborn is a living human being or not.
I see the child that is 'already here' as the same importance to the unborn.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 **of the unborn**
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says:You own your wombs huh? Sure, but thats reason enough to abort?Thats like saying I own this house, but I dont want this kid living here so im going to evict him.
~~~~~~~~~~ hahaha, you kids have RIGHTS NOT to be evicted...a fetus has NO rights. A women OWNS her fetus AND her womb. You cant have either, get your won. read it and weep. Arent you embarrassed by your ignorance?? Oh right, youre a probirther who had NO self esteem..lolol
Sueezee2 10 minutes ago
@jcwatch23 I agree.
EVEN if what pro choice say is true.. Say that a fetus is not a living thing, say its just a stub of flesh.
Then what the F*** is it in 9 months?? A human baby.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 I say it's a living thing and I'm pro choice. But as the U.N. Human Bill of Rights says, Article 1. All humans are BORN free and equal
illahham 9 hours ago
@illahham Im sorry. I don't give a damn what that article sais.
It is a living, human being and deserves a chance!
Like YOU deserved a chance when YOU were a fetus! Like I deserved a chance when I was a fetus!
LOOK AT WHAT WE BECAME! That is what an unborn child will soon be.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 It has a chance, but that chance is dependent on the mother since she is the only one that must carry it inside her for 9 months.
illahham 9 hours ago
@illahham I disagree with that.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 That's perfectly fine. I encourage pro-lifers to come up with a fetus bill of rights and petition government to recognize the rights of an unborn baby; outlawing abortion. I'm not sure you will get the government to pass laws restricting what a woman chooses to do with her own body but good luck.
illahham 8 hours ago
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Continued: If you need to talk to me about this program, but choose not to talk here, please private message me and I can get you ALL the information you need. As an OB/GYN I give advice all the time, so I am used to it. This program will find your baby a good home with loving parents before your child is born. It will cost you nothing. Abortion DOES cost! Please go to the americanadoptions website to find more information.
bluemoondiscount 10 hours ago
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For any woman or teen that may be reading this that has an unplanned pregnancy, please listen. There is another option for you that costs you NOTHING! It is called pre-birth adoption. I have worked with this program for a long time and it DOES work. It allows the birth mother to find parents for her child BEFORE it is born. That means that after birth the child goes to the new parents. It costs the birth mother NOTHING! Please visit americanadoptions to find out more.
bluemoondiscount 10 hours ago
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If you need to talk to me about this program, but choose not to talk here, please private message me and I can get you ALL the information you need. As an OB/GYN I give advice all the time, so I am used to it. This program will find your baby a good home with loving parents before your child is born. It will cost you nothing. Abortion DOES cost! Please go to the americanadoptions website to find more information.
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Lucky10279 11 hours ago
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For any woman or teen that may be reading this that has an unplanned pregnancy, please listen. There is another option for you that costs you NOTHING! It is called pre-birth adoption. I have worked with this program for a long time and it DOES work. It allows the birth mother to find parents for her child BEFORE it is born. That means that after birth the child goes to the new parents. It costs the birth mother NOTHING! Please visit americanadoptions to find out more.
Lucky10279 11 hours ago
you need therapy so bad !! you have a lot of issues going on in your mind!!
salajadam 12 hours ago
the poverty argument is obnoxious. what about how most of the world is in poverty? should they all get abortions too? guess what.. they wont. they like having lots of kids, and they don't demand all the things we have in America. and if they have less kids, that won't help them out of poverty either! it's much more complicated than that.
TheLaLasProductions 14 hours ago
@TheLaLasProductions Hell! Send the kids down where I live to be adopted! People are waiting patiently to adopt kids here.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
This is the most depressing YT video I've ever seen. Nevertheless, wishing you many happy abortions in the future! Hey, wait a minute...you could have avoided this whole situation if your mom had an abortion! I wonder why she didn't choose to "exercise her abortion rights." At any rate, it's a Brave New World out there, so get out there and exercise your reproductive rights again! You owe it to yourself!
HomelessOnline 17 hours ago
@HomelessOnline Sarcasm noted :D I agree with this. Im glad to see that there are good people out there.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
I have something else to say on here:
If abortion is murder, adoption is human trafficking.
Roxas131413 18 hours ago
@Roxas131413 - Then what is pet adoption?
HomelessOnline 17 hours ago
@HomelessOnline Animal trafficking. It's not uncommon, I mean, did the animal consent to being sold or taken away from it's mother?
Roxas131413 16 hours ago
@HomelessOnline Animal trafficking. It's not uncommon.
Roxas131413 16 hours ago
@HomelessOnline Animal Trafficking.
Roxas131413 16 hours ago
I watched the video. It made me sick. Not only are you snide about your reasons and condescending, but your glad? Sick!
And you shouldn't have made the mistake of getting pregnant in the first place. You are the worst kind of people.
Zaruk5678 18 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Here's some news for you kiddo- not all women regret their abortions. If I got pregnant I would have an abortion and I would dance out of the clinic.
Women can have sex without wanting to be parents. Deal with it and mind your business.
Bumblybee256 17 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 This is my business. That was a human life she took. This isn't a shot towards women, this is a defense for humanity.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Um no. The contents of someone else's uterus is not your business. It is indeed a shot at women- NO human has the right to use another person's body without continuing consent. You cannot grant a fetus rights that no born person has. Don't you have your own uterus to worry about?
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 Ah you resort to insults. That doesn't make your point anymore valid. So you are saying that a fetus has less rights than a born person has? Why? It is still a person. Do you not believe in equal rights? It is NOT a shot at women. If men were the ones who got pregnant instead, I would be discussing this just the same.
Just because that life inside the womb does not fit in your current lifestyle and because 'you dont want it' doesn't mean its right to just end it.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Um- point out where I insulted you. i believe I asked you a question which you seem to be unable to answer. No, I am saying a fetus has exactly the same right to use another person body that everyone else has- absolutely none. Actually, a fetus is not a person but even if it ws it's irrelevant. It is a shot at women- you can't give a fetus 'extra rights' without removing women's basic rights. The reasons for abortion aren't really your business and change nothing.
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Also- if we're worried about 'the unborn' here, at what stage do I get a say over how your body is used? Many environmental and lifestyle factors can negatively impact sperm quality which may then negatively affect the survival of a fetus. Do I get an input on your reproductive healthcare?
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 Wrong. Anyone who claims its their right.. which in this case boils down to 'I dont want it', is completely NULL when compared to a life or death situation of a human being.
Rights only go so far, but when they start compromising human LIFE, that is when the line needs to be drawn.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Nope. We don't have forced organ or blood donation- even if you hurt the person. No one has rights to use anyone else's body.
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 Thankfully, there are kind people out there who donate their organs and blood so that others may live. Unlike some people. Other than that, I don't see how your last comment furthers the arguement. Your going on a completely different level. I suspect probably because you are running out of answers or getting tired of arguing.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Actually people die every year waiting for donated organs. Surely this could be remedied by having legal requirements for people to donate blood and organs if they are a match? The point here being that life does NOT trump autonomy at any stage elsewhere in our legal system so why should it for pregnant women? Who own a woman's uterus? Lol, you wish kiddo- you're the one ignoring my questions- when do I get an input on your healthcare?
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 You make a good point about organs, but you are walking on a WHOLE different level here and using a much broader problem in order to secure your reasoning. And why are you bringing up the legal system? It is filled with ever changing laws that are flawed half the time. WE are talking about morals here, not laws and regulations.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 We are talking about the right to autonomy vs the right to life so actually it is very much relevant. In what other instance do you think it's ok to force someone to have their body used against their will to keep someone alive? Laws reflect society and protect rights, these laws affect MY life.
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 That is null and you know it! That woman made a clear decision to engage in sex. What does sex cause?? Pregnancy! Take responsiblity for your actions. And according to your agrument, this woman stabbed her own liver and expected a liver transplant.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Abortion is taking responsibility. As I have just typed sex is NOT just for procreation. People take risks and put others at risk all the time- it doesn't mean you revoke the right to your own body. *sigh* no, my analogy is very clear- you don't have the right to live at the expense of other people's body autonomy. I'm still waiting for your answer to my healthcare question.
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
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~~~~~~~~~~ WHOSE morals? Yours or mine? How can it be a moral isssue when there is not one set of moral rules for everyone to follow?
Sueezee2 16 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 This isn't about organ donations. If you want we can discuss that too.
This is about a woman who had sex (what else is sex if not to have children) and not taking responsiblity for it and taking the easy way out because she didn't want it.
Not all people stab their own liver and expect a liver transplant.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 It is about organ donation. Women OWN their organs. We can choose to use them to have sex but not grant their use to a fetus. Sex is not just to have children, it has and never will only be used for procreation. Primates use sex for bonding and simply for fun too. Do you intend to only ever have sex for procreative purposes? It seems you are concerned with judging women rather than fetuses. WHEN do I get an input on your healthcare?
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 This involves women because they are the ones who bear children. If men bore children, this I would be talking about them. Yes. I judge women. I also judge men, police officers, politicians, and preachers.
From what I got from your statement, is that you believe that women own the human being grown inside of them and they can do whatever they want with it. No one owns a human being. Now your getting into slavery. You believe in slavery? And why are you bringing up primates?
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 That's not what I asked you- men's reproductive health also has an effect of the wellbeing/survival of a fetus- so would you be happy with me making choices about your healthcare options? I have not once said I own the fetus. I DO however own my uterus and I can evict anything I don't want using it. Actually- your belief that it's ok to force women to have their bodies use in a way they don't want= slavery. Because we are primates. Duh.
Bumblybee256 16 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 Oh and also, it doesn't apply to me because I don't go around having babies I don't want then killing them.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 You have a problem with bringing up other things that have nothing to do with this arguement and then molding them to make your point more valid than mine. Its like arguing with a child. Im done with this. Im getting no where and im wasting my time.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Dear boy, you have not made a single valid point. Life does not trump autonomy- THAT was the point. You cannot demonstrate that it does. Off you go with your tail between your legs.
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ryanr20091 15 hours ago
@ryanr20091 Do you have some sort of caps lock issue? It is of course about the woman because the fetus is using her uterus. There is no circumstance where t's ok to use another person's body without consent. Consent to sex is not consent to gestation. I don't think you ought to be describing children as a 'consequence', every child deserves to be wanted. I'm training to be an abortion provider and I'm very proud.
Bumblybee256 15 hours ago
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ryanr20091 15 hours ago
@ryanr20091 Your opinion really doesn't matter, I hate men who think they have the right to control women's bodies. You don't. Rape is NOT by any means rare and if you force a rape victim to carry a rapist baby you are every bit as bad as he is. You have aligned yourself with rapists- well done. Btw- have you any idea how many kids are waiting around in care.
Bumblybee256 14 hours ago
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ryanr20091 14 hours ago
@ryanr20091 There is no way of accurately gauging pregnancies by rape since not all rapes are reported, coercive relationships may not be counted etc. Even if was rare it would make no difference- these women exist and they have the basic human right to control their own bodies. Nope- we do not have the rights to use others bodies and neither do fetuses. Sorry dear, men are not the experts in this arena. You're in over your head.
Bumblybee256 14 hours ago
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ryanr20091 14 hours ago
@ryanr20091 It's not a gender war but it is about gender eqality with regards to autonomy. It's not just about the fetus, the fetus directly affects the woman's body. You are NOBODY to tell me not to be selfish- you will never live this yourself and are completely ignorant of the reality. AGAIN- WHEN do I get a say over your reporductive healthcare?
Bumblybee256 14 hours ago
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ryanr20091 14 hours ago
@ryanr20091 You believ it's ok to force your view on a woman's body- just as a rapist does. Lol, it as nothing to do with hating babies and frankly the way you talk about them is creepy. Do you only ever have sex for procreation? I asked you a question - WHEN do I get a say in your healthcare?
Bumblybee256 14 hours ago
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ryanr20091 14 hours ago
@ryanr20091
Nope not coldhearted- just matter of fact about rights.
Right- so you intend to have sex only for pleasure but women should only have sex if they are prepared to be a parent? You are like a rapist- women's autonomy is negligible to you.
Bumblybee256 14 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 okay im sorry and to be honest your right i have no say in a womans body . to answer your healthcare question . i cant answer that . im sorry . i was nad because my girl had an abortion and it made me resent the whole idea . so i apologized im really a nice person.
ryanr20091 14 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 i bet if you got to know me you would want to go out sometime
ryanr20091 14 hours ago
@ryanr20091 Lol, I don't go for men who are in the same category as rapists. No self respecting woman would have sex with you. I'll take it you can't answer my question - you can't fathom the idea that YOUR autonomy is subject to other people because you're a hypocrite. I won't be wasting anymore time reading your drivel. Try not to let the uterus envy get to you.
Bumblybee256 14 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 i just apologized to you do you accept
ryanr20091 14 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 why cant you respond when i just extended an olive branch to you .
ryanr20091 13 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 His opinion doesn't matter, but somehow you bitch as though yours does? Rape is horrible, but it isn't the life in the womb's fault.
Also - I see nothing but people waiting patiently to adopt a baby where I live. NO WHERE do I see an orphanage or homeless kids.
Zaruk5678 10 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 It's not the female rape victims fault either. If she doesn't want to carry and give birth to her rapists spawn, then why punish her and make her suffer further?
And it's not our job to provide babies for childless people. Look around further thenwhere you live and you'll see plenty of already born kids waiting to be adopted. Worry about them before zygotes/embryos/fetuses.
Karenthedoggroomer 9 hours ago
@Karenthedoggroomer Bad things happen to good people. We all suffer at one point or another. You can call it the 'rapists spawn' to make it look grotesque all day long, but the baby doesn't know what or who. Its just a baby. A human life.
And why are you telling me to only worry about the unadopted? My mind is plenty capable of worrying about multiple things thank you very much.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 It's not your place to make decisions about what goes on in anyone elses body and womb though. It makes more sense to deal with the problem of already born children who are still waiting to be adopted rather then zygotes/embryos/fetuses. And no rape victim should have further suffering inflicted on her by being forced to carry the pregnancy against her will. How would you force that anyway?
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ryanr20091 15 hours ago
@ryanr20091 Lol. No, I simply care about women. Are you aware that there is more money to be made in the 'birth industry'? Incidentally, do I get a say in your reproductive healthcare? The other little boy couldn't answer that, maybe you can.
Bumblybee256 14 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 The other little boy coudn't answer that.. your only throwing those out because you can't seem to come up with any valid reasoning!
What do you want? You think men and women are the same as far as anatomy? Sure if men had human life inside of them and one of them wanted to get an abortion we can have this disussion alllll the same. Go ahead. Im waiting.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 I didn't go off with my tail between my legs. I went to go spend time with my family. My god. This is why I stopped my arguement. You resort to insults because you think it makes your points more valid and to cover up the fact that you know nothing.
This all comes down to morals to me. Good or evil. Ive said my peace.
Zaruk5678 10 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: This is about a woman who had sex and not taking responsiblity
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion IS taking responsibility.Having unwanted kids is child abuse, and thats what you promote.
Sueezee2 16 hours ago
@Sueezee2 How is killing your unborn child not considered to be child abuse? I am a mother with two daughters and I am proud of them. I could have never killed them. Abortion in my eyes is child abuse. Pre-birth adoption is successful. I ought to know as I have worked with the program for about three years with a lot of success. If one does not want a child, take birth control. It isn't brain surgery!
bluemoondiscount 11 hours ago
@Sueezee2 Adoption.
Is that not what you just said in the paragraph below? You are sounding incredibly two faced. You just said abortion is taking responsibility and then you said abortion in my eyes is child abuse. So which is it???
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: You just said abortion is taking responsibility and then you said abortion in my eyes is child abuse.
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LMAO...show me where i said "abortion is child abuse in MY eyes". You CANT. It didnt happen. Youre either a liar, or you cant comprehend what you read...im assuming both. STOP THE PROBIRTH LIES.
Sueezee2 21 minutes ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: This is about a woman who had sex and not taking responsiblity
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion IS taking responsibility.Having unwanted kids is child abuse, and thats what you promote.
Sueezee2 16 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: I suspect probably because you are running out of answers or getting tired of arguing.
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I wont!!!
Sueezee2 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 And a fetus compromised her life, she took self-defense and removed it. Now, I'd think more people would be for keeping it alive AFTER it is removed from the woman, instead of forcing her to birth it just because it's alive.
Roxas131413 16 hours ago
@Roxas131413 Wow really, self defense? This isn't an armed robbery. The woman here brought herself in this situation and needed to take responsiblity for her actions in which she took the easy way and the wrong way.
And null. Its dead now thanks to this uncaring person. Always protect yourself first right? Selfish. Just a bloody excuse to protect yourself. Go ahead. Feel good about that.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 Armed robbery? Not really armed, but it does rob you of lots of things while it literally leeches off of your insides.
I would feel good knowing that I could still take care of my family, instead of making it a living hell for them by bringing another person into the world to suffer, or is it better to live a shitty life, rather than a good one?
Because I have lived the shitty life, and no way in hell am I going to force it onto someone else just because they have human DNA
Roxas131413 15 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: Rights only go so far, but when they start compromising human LIFE, that is when the line needs to be drawn.
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A fetus is NOT a human life in the law, nor CAN it be. There can be NO line drawn.
Sueezee2 16 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says:because 'you dont want it' doesn't mean its right to just end it.
~~~~~~ But, its alright to have it?? Do you know what happens to unwanted kids. In one study, unwanted children were found less likely to have had a secure family life. As adults they were more likely to engage in criminal behavior, be on welfare, a& receive psychiatric servs.Onefound that children who were unintended by their mothers had lower self-esteem than their intended peers 23 years later.
Sueezee2 15 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 How wonderful! I am so glad that you would DANCE out of the clinic where you just MURDERED your baby. I am a mom, an OB/GYN, and pro-life. I cannot understand how that anyone could say an abortion would make them happy. I love my two daughters with all my heart. I would literally die for them. I was born in a very conservative home. my father is a minister. I did not get pregnant, (nor have sex), until I was married. If one does not want a baby, take BIRTH CONTROL!!!
bluemoondiscount 11 hours ago
@bluemoondiscount I know right? How can someone do that? Only a person who would get an abortion in the first place. Are you really that surprised that they are happy about it?
Like I said before, this issue boils down to morals. Good, evil, or simple stupidity.
Zaruk5678 10 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 and yes, she's glad she's STILL ALIVE, fuckwit.
Bumblybee256 17 hours ago
@Bumblybee256 Wow I just caught this. If I had seen this at the beginning, I would never have argued with you.
'fuckwit'. Very adult of you. I would never call you something like that.
Zaruk5678 9 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 - I'm with you completely.
HomelessOnline 17 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: And you shouldn't have made the mistake of getting pregnant in the first place.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Keep your nose out of vaginas that arent yours...unless you like it there and thats what all this is about for you~! Uless we can have ours in YOURS! deal?
Sueezee2 15 hours ago
The government didn't get between you and your doctor because the government passed the fricken law!
ajesusfreak1 19 hours ago 2
The most important thing is that the woman is able to recover as quickly as possible from this procedure, and to get her life back on track.
mylittlekittens 20 hours ago
@mylittlekittens She wishes she were dead. Maybe she has regrets...
lonardozee 20 hours ago
@lonardozee Angie seems fine. Good that the procedure went well for her.
mylittlekittens 20 hours ago
@mylittlekittens ..Then you haven't read her blog from early in January of this year. Yes, just last month, she said she wished she were dead..Read it. She's not happy
lonardozee 19 hours ago
@lonardozee Exactly! Angie did say she wished she were dead. Does that sound like the statement of a happy person? Abortions do cause severe depression. In a recent poll my clinic did last year (2011), we discovered that over 83% of the women that participated said they experienced extreme depression right after the abortion. More than 68% say they were still suffering depression ad regret three years later. Some are actually using anti-depressants. Abortion does NOT make one happy.
bluemoondiscount 11 hours ago
@bluemoondiscount ..I know..Why don't these Pro-Abortionists want to protect women from Post Abortion Syndrome? They don't even want them warned of it. They always say the woman comes before the baby. Seems kind of insincere, since the only thing they care about is killing babies.
lonardozee 6 hours ago
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Sueezee2 14 minutes ago
@mylittlekittens - ...and resume expressing herself by getting knocked up again. It's like a South Park episode.
HomelessOnline 17 hours ago
@HomelessOnline Right. People who get an abortion often think of the implications after the fact. Its easy to decide 'I dont want this baby' when people don't think of the freakin future. Many people only see things at the present - thats why they say 'oh its not a life its not a life' how can you say that when they, themselves, were inside the womb? Doesn't matter what you call it, fetus, embryo, unborn, the fact that its a living thing inside a womb.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: hats why they say 'oh its not a life its not a life' h
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LOLOL, who in the hell says it not a life? What do you think women believe they are doing when they become pregnant, consider abortion, make the appointment and keep it? Getting a damned tune up on the uterus? Who taught you that women were stupid? your mom?
Sueezee2 15 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: People who get an abortion often think of the implications after the fact. Its easy to decide 'I dont want this baby' when people don't think of the freakin future.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ The same thing happens when you decide to HAVE the baby. But..THAT is fine with you, isnt it? Do you ever have a critical thought in your head?
Sueezee2 15 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: If men were the ones who got pregnant instead, I would be discussing this just the same.
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Ohhhhh, so youre a male?? Now its all making sense. You have womb envy ( & breast feeding, vagina, and chidlbirth envy as well...they go together) . YOu want to have babies, but you cant, so demand all women to do it for you, so you can live vicariously through them!
Sueezee2 15 hours ago
@mylittlekittens This "procedure" is MURDER! The most important thing is that if the woman did not want to get pregnant in the first place she should have visited her OB/GYN and gotten birth control. If she NEVER wants a baby, then get a tubal ligation. If the woman had not decided to throw all sense of responsibility out the window and have unprotected sex her life would not have been off track in the first place. There is no excuse for abortion, NONE!
bluemoondiscount 11 hours ago
FOR ABORTION INFO GO TO...SILENTNOMOREAWARENESS...AFTERABORTION...ABORTIONFACTS...AWOMANSCONCERN...100ABORTIONPICTURES...FOR THE TRUTH
lonardozee 23 hours ago
@lonardozee KEEP POSTING! Also, if any woman wants to know about pre-birth adoption, go to americanadoptions. God Bless!
bluemoondiscount 11 hours ago
@bluemoondiscount ..Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. I hope you don't either. You're input is VERY valuable. Other teens/women may need your help..Someone is still flagging your comments. It's making me so mad! Someone obviously feels threatened by your message..That means you have the right message!
lonardozee 6 hours ago
I'm pretty sure i just found a new best friend.
emily95983 1 day ago
@emily95983 ..Birds of a Feather Flock Together...
lonardozee 23 hours ago
@lonardozee ooh that was clever. just to let you know, i've never gotten pregnant, let alone had an abortion. just because i support her right to make her own decisions, and probably know more about the subject and the bible than you do, doesn't mean i'm a baby-killing murderer, and frankly, neither is she.
emily95983 4 hours ago
Congratulations! As long as you're alive, well, that's all that matters. Come to think of it, why do firemen run into burning buildings? Don't they realize their lives are more important than anything else?
HomelessOnline 1 day ago 2
@HomelessOnline Depends on whether or not the firefighters are pregnant and want to keep their jobs.
mylittlekittens 20 hours ago
@HomelessOnline hahaha!! so true this selfish chick needs to keep her legs closed...
meghan216egg 3 hours ago
@meghan216egg YOU need to keep your mouth closed!
mylittlekittens 3 minutes ago
Your unborn child is looking upon you in heaven wishing that you would ask for forgivness. Please take in consideration!!! He would love to meet his mother anyway :)
TheAbeTate 1 day ago
@TheAbeTate Her unborn baby is dead...hence the word "unborn". She doesnt need forgiveness. if your god existed why did he make it so that that child would kill his/her mother???
rickross22 1 day ago
@rickross22 ..That "unborn baby" was alive, before it was killed..Indeed, we can't make our journey into heaven until we have died. That unborn baby was a Human Being. On a different note,you may want to question Angie's sincerity since she never names the "condition", yet tells us everything else.She states other reasons for the abortion,so she would've had it anyway.It's a sympathy ploy & gives her defenders a talking point.Too bad her son will know she gleefully killed his sibling
lonardozee 23 hours ago
@rickross22 Unborn means before exiting the woman's body. Just because something is 'unborn' doesn't mean it isn't alive and a freakin HUMAN BEING!
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
@Zaruk5678 i get that... still not answering why your god (or the person i was originally replying to) put a baby in her that will kill her. They said its not too late to ask for forgiveness. i say fuck you she had reasons
rickross22 16 hours ago
@rickross22 I didn't make the first comment. I didn't bring 'my god' into this conversation.
And I don't forgive people who end innocent lives.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: I don't forgive people who end innocent lives.
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I don't forgive people who are child abusers, & who demand millions of unwanted kids be born to satisfy their OWN sick desires.
Sueezee2 16 hours ago
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@Zaruk5678 says: 'unborn' doesn't mean it isn't alive and a freakin HUMAN BEING!
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LOL, YES, it does, oh uneducated one!! If a fetus was a human being, abortion wold be illegal and a fetus is NOT "alive" in the law. Why dont you take any pride in yourself & the things you say? Dont have any, huh??LOL
Sueezee2 16 hours ago
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@TheAbeTate says: Your unborn child is looking upon you in heaven wishing that you would ask for forgivness.
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hahahahahah, if you cant get them with intelligence , go for their Disney World heart!! Sorry sweetie, abortion is a clinical decision and your sentimental dramatics mean nothing.
Sueezee2 23 hours ago
@Sueezee2 Half your response was filler crap. Just because its a 'clinical decision' doesn't make it right. Sounds like you just go with the flow.
Zaruk5678 16 hours ago
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WHAT??? Who in the hell said being clinical made it right OR wrong?? lerarn to comprehend what you read, dumbass. It was regarding sentimental BS from a poster. My kingdom for ONE intelligent probirther.
Sueezee2 16 hours ago
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i cant wait until you die and see the truth !! BURN IN HELL BITCH !!
mbf2788 1 day ago
@Roxas131413 Yes you did. How can you forget something you typed less that 2hrs ago? Let me repeat what you said (in caps no less) "I hate abortion??? I hate war, I hate abuse, and I hate Hypocrites". That was your quote. I don't get the abortion part of your statement though. So, in summary, You used caps & then criticized me for using caps. You accused me of changing the "topic from abortion to hate", when it was YOU. Do you forget what you just said? Scroll down.I responded to you
lonardozee 1 day ago
@lonardozee I didn't change the topic from abortion to hate. You did that.
I do not like abortion, but until a solution is found, that does not force a woman to give birth, and does not kill a fetus, it will be necessary.
Roxas131413 1 day ago
@lonardozee 'I could careless if you hate me because I have no admiration for you. I care about the unborn babies that are being slaughtered, that don't yet have a voice.'
That's my point.
I was 'saved' by people like you, and you loved me so much *then*.
But *now*? I have a voice of my own and my life is suddenly worthless. Hypocrisy is the word for that.
Roxas131413 1 day ago
@Roxas131413 There you go again putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. I never said I hate you. I never would say that, so don't accuse me of saying something that I never would. It nullifies your comment in its entirety.
lonardozee 1 day ago
@Roxas131413 Show me my comment where I said I hate you, which is what you're basing your whole argument off of. I said I didn't care if you hated me, because I didn't Admire you. Huge difference. Huge
lonardozee 1 day ago
If your abortion was medically necessary and a direct risk to your life, then you have nothing to be ashamed of. Anything outside that, rape, or incest, is disgusting and should be illegalized.
gorboy 1 day ago
Google Bernard Nathanson
lonardozee 1 day ago
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lonardozee 1 day ago
This is disgusting,I see where you are coming from, but have you have thought, a couple more weeks this baby could live outside of me, some woman who would kill for a child but cannot have one could take care of and love this baby, this baby could be the child I have now that I love so much, think about the kid you have and picture someone sucking out his brain. And also think about how around this time, that fetus brain has begun to create memory, they have videos of fetus' trying to get away
zoey8572 1 day ago
@zoey8572 Yes, the "Silent Scream" video narrated by the co-founder of N.A.R.A.L. Bernard Nathanson. His organization was instrumental in the passage of Roe v Wade & admits to lying to the justices.This gives him even more credibility, because he saw the UGLY side of abortion,He couldn't live w/himself. He's trying to repair some of the damage he's caused to so many babies & women.He knows what happens behind the scenes & he exposes the ugly TRUTH. It's authentic & oh so sad.
lonardozee 1 day ago 2
@lonardozee Are you having a nice time ignoring mylittlekittens and me?
Roxas131413 1 day ago
@Roxas131413 I never ignore kitten. I just haven't seen the comments you're referring to. I've been busy doing something else. I'll search for them now. Stay tuned...
lonardozee 1 day ago
its sad that you look at it like that.."im still alive" that baby that u killed could have had a bigger impact or reason to live then you know, that could have meant for you to pass away. look at it this way, if your son, in order to live needed your heart, which would end you life for him to live, would you do it?...its easy, wear protection, dont sleep around...yes i believe abortion is murder and selfish..im not trying to start an immature argument with you, im just simply stating my opinions
meghan216egg 1 day ago
this broke my heart maybe she is still alive but that baby died
saraht998 1 day ago
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lonardozee 1 day ago
@lonardozee If abortion isn't politically correct, why is it legal? You tend to generalize all abortionists from a select group. Look at the person in this video. She's fine and happy. Her abortion went fine, so why don't you ever talk about that. There are complications with pretty much every medical surgery.
toonytown2 1 day ago
@bluemoondiscount That's what they get paid for. It's a legal job. And it's perfectly safe if the person does it correctly. Are you going to tell me that under no circumstances, abortion is okay? What if the mother was raped? What if the condom had a hole or broke? What if the baby will kill the mother?
toonytown2 1 day ago
@lonardozee What makes a human better than animals? A doctor can remove someone from life support when the family asks. Kinda like how a doctor can abort a baby when the mother asks. I never called the fetus a clump of cells. What you consider it is up to you. But what right do you have to tell a stranger that they need to keep a baby they don't want.
toonytown2 1 day ago
@toonytown2 I'm probably a bigger animal lover than you probably, I don't even kill spiders. I cry when a fish is caught. I volunteered at animal shelters until I developed debillitating migraines due to the sadness I felt every time I left the animals. That being said, Humans are on a higher plain than animals, although I know many humans that I believe an animal would be superior to. Just not as a specie.It is wrong to brutally kill a new developing human being
lonardozee 1 day ago
@lonardozee You cry when a fish is caught? spare me. And "brutally kill"? Are there non-brutal ways of taking someones life?
illahham 1 day ago
Murderer,
Killed a baby
ATZ789 1 day ago
@ATZ789 No she didn't.
mylittlekittens 1 day ago
@mylittlekittens Uuuhhh, Yes she did. Her baby was ALIVE
lonardozee 1 day ago
@lonardozee She didn't MURDER anybody.
mylittlekittens 1 day ago
@mylittlekittens Angie IS responsible for the Death of her baby. That's a FACT. You originally responded to the poster that said Angie killed her baby. You said "No she didn't". YES SHE DID.
lonardozee 1 day ago
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@mylittlekittens yes she did.
Lucky10279 1 day ago
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@mylittlekittens yes she did.
Lucky10279 1 day ago
If you find yourself unexpectedly pregnant, do not go to an OB/GYN that calls women that have sex out of wedlock "whores." Mmmmmm.... I remember bluemoondiscount making such comments.
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