Most religious beliefs stem from our difficulty accepting death. That's why people in heaven. Most people don't want to live in the full reality of the human condition. That's why drugs (including Religion) are so popular.
Piers Morgan: "You can't tell people that they're wrong when they tout a ridiculous imaginary explanation for an unanswerable question." What an idiot.
Piers Morgan believes that there is something out there without any evidence and we have Penn Jillet who uses the fact that their is no evidence for him to believe in God therefore he lacks faith in it. Can you spot the idiot?
@Malangsufi Morgan/Jillette arguments aside, our mere existence is evidence that begs the question of origins—which science cannot answer with any more evidence than can belief in God. Invisible God...invisible super sub-atomic particles that exploded bringing all things (our cosmos) into being. The idiot is the one who says facts are conclusive. Atheists conclude. Science never concludes. Neither does faith...if it's honest.
He was right. You can't write a book telling people they're wrong about a specific subject, but then continue to answer nothing about the big questions concerning that topic.
Piers Morgan keeps saying he "believes" god exists. If he believes god exists he doesn't know because belief means "I don't know". Piers Morgan is an agnostic. If Piers Morgan says "I know god exists" he is a theist but know he has to show us how he knows. He has to give us the proof. At least a single scrap of evidence would be nice. He has nothing because a belief is nothing.
@residentatheist Agnostic is not a 3rd category between atheist and theist. Agnostic means you dont claim to know. It is seperate from what you believe. I am an agnostic-atheist, piers is an agnostic-theist. Someone who claims to know and is a believer would be a "gnostic-theist". You can be a gnostic-atheist, but this seems like the rarest group.
From what I can tell, Morgan's position is: if you're going to point out the flaws in my just-so fairy tale, then you have to provide me with a slightly better fairy tale in return. To do anything else is disrespectful. I'll never understand this way of thinking- if you want to help me to dump the lies, you need to give me a new lie to replace it. Not helpful, Morgan.
I want Larry King back who was able to do interviews without throwing his own opinion in his guests faces every 5 minute. Morgan is an idiot and probably the most religiouly deluded Englishman they could possibly find. Jillette's point is perfectly valid: how is believing without evidence in a supernatural being that created the universe a better answer than saying we don't know what created the universe?
A question for humanity. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how will you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they will have to die?
Penn talked about this interview on Penn Point and said he was very proud of himself for maintaining his composure because that's what his parents would have wanted him to do. He deserves every bit of respect he gets. Also, Morgan can afford to learn a thing or two about respect from him.
"You can't write a book basically telling a bunch of people around the world, billions of people...that you're all wrong. But, by the way, I don't have any explanations". Like...the bible?
seriously? I don't think Piers Morgan violated anything. I'm atheist btw. he just defended his views and questioned Penn fiercely which should be done. However at the end of the day, atheists win the arguments, he just isn't trying hard enough to see it.
@HelFKiernan What the hell are you talking about? Holier than thou? Really? Thats mainly what YOU people do. You patronize and condescend to theists. Non belief is around US all the time, it's in our fuckin' media, it's in our schools, our society. Theism is being frowned opon and mocked by people in the media, in universities, even in the workplace, and the government. YOU people have that "How dare you" look on YOUR faces when we even so much mention theism around you.
I didn't think Piers was very antagonistic...I think he was sincerely interested in what Penn thought. He was curious to what his beliefs were and was looking for an intellectual conversation.
@sethmusic Piers was not trying to prove he was right or even make sense. He was pandering to what he believes is the mindset of his viewers to endear himself to them by "attacking" the anti-christ or non-believer.
However, I do believe he is fully capable of believing one thing and doing something contradictory to that belief. Or of holding contradictory concepts. Any apparent conflicts are swept under the rug of "mystery," a place that forbids honest examination and reconciliation.
Hear what God of Israel YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH (Son and Father are ONE) saying to our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com ; Letter called "Purify Your Faith, and Come to the Father as It is Written": EXCERPT: "Only in the Bible and through these very Letters, of which I have given to My prophet of the end of this age, shall you find Him and know Him."
@gageisgay45 ok, you guys have written several books, made documentaries, you guys have tv shows, radio shows, podcasts, yeah you guys do alot. Us on the other hand have the book in it's many translations, one network, a handful of radio shows and podcasts. What's so wrong about basing your life on the principles in the bible? What wrong with that?
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
When it comes to Piers Morgan, lying about his involvement in Phone Hacking, reprinting faked photos of supposed "abuse" by our troops in Iraq when he was editor of The Mirror, he angers me. He really angers me.
did penn even need to be here for the interview? the host didn't even address a single point that he made. they should have just put up a still photo of him and the host could talk AT that.
Piers Morgan does not know anything on this topic and just looks like an ass.Stumbles to even get out his own idea of what god is or an after life and at no point has any justification. He thinks hmmm atheists do not know where we come from so then I'm right to make up any bullshit idea. Haha terrible.
The questions which baffle atheists ? The hard reality of life ? What on earth is this Morgan guy waffling about ? These are the issues that should baffle religious people ! You can't reconcile the hard reality of life with a benevolent deity. Atheists on the other hand can reconcile that by the reasoning that the universe is completely impersonal and follows certain physical tendencies that science has enlightened humanity about.
@Matt412100 Yeah he's an ass hole alright, only when he's open about his faith and opposes people who deliberately mock people because of what they beleive in. But when he's calling Rick Santorum a bigot he's hero.
@yoyo2121d25 Penn Jilette isn't mocking anybody - he's being open about his outlook on things. If a christian is open about his "faith" it's alright, but when an atheist opens his mouth he's automatically arrogant and condescending
@yoyo2121d25 Agreed. Well, having an opinion is alright. But, people make up these intricate stories on life after death, and are so certain about, that's what is going to happen. All i'm asking is how the fuck can you know that for sure?
Although, this is a huge subject to debate upon, first you have to ask if there's a soul or no, then, does the soul survive death, is it immortal? if it isn't made of atoms like the body, how does it contain in a materialistic world like this?
Religious people believe what they want to believe and what is convenient. That they will live forever in one form or another. Any threat to that is mocking them and angers them. The thought that they may be wrong, terrifies them and they will justify the magic power that grants them eternity, at all cost of reason, logic or common sense. Who can blame them? Who can reason with them? No one. They are hopelessly lost in bliss. Have another cup of cool aid.
To piers last question, I would simply reply, just because we know religion is bullshit, doesn't mean we have to have an alternative answer. Science disproves religion on every level.
im sad to see that penn wasnt able to get a word out against Piers. Penn is a smart guy, and unfortunately it looks like piers came in with an agenda in mind, consisting of him trying to prove penn wrong. He should have gone in with a mind set of him wanting to talk about the issue, not prove his is right.
Why oh why did anyone think Piers Morgan should be given a job let alone the one Larry King used to have? The man is lousy at interview, stunted in intellect, and wrapped in unpleasantness. The US should have stopped him at the airport and turned him back
If Morgan wasn't going to listen to Penn Jillette, why did he have him on the show? Jackasses are better behaved than the ignorant monkey known as Piers Morgan.
You could repent. Moreover, you could ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10
Piers appears to be pulling a Bill O'Reilly and bullying his guest. I would have been interested in how Penn Gillette responded to Piers' last comment.
hey, guys, religions are based on dogmas. do u know what is dogma? dogma is a a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof. TRUE WITHOUT PROOF. WTF. ppl?
Piers is either doing it on purpose (common practice in interviews to act as a devil's advocate) or he's prone to committing the most obvious logical fallacies and can never be told.
Piers, what would God think, (if he does exist) of your merciless bullying of people who are weird or untalented in your reality shows, or your suspicious and often criminal journalism? TWAT
Piers is right, there is a Greater Being out there. And it has provided answers to some of his questions.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes, or analysis by Stephen Hawking.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
~ you can't go around telling a bunch of people who believe in a god "you're all wrong but by the way i don't have any explanations"
soooo...it's ok for religious people to say 'you're all wrong for not believing in god' even though they don't have any explanations either? way to box yourself into a corner morgan. idiot.
Don't think piers morgan ever said a single word about religion when he was in the UK - he's clearly just trying to get popularity with a certain demographic in the USA. Total scumbag sellout.
@SamuelJNaylor Well, I don't think using a gender specific word like that in such a derogatory way is ok to begin with. Can we perhaps agree on another word? Say 'ASSHOLE'?
The idea that atheists "must be miserable" because we don't believe in an afterlife implies a very selfish attitude. When I die my consciousness will cease to exist, but I'll leave people behind who'll remember me, and hopefully I'll leave the world (or the parts of it I lived and worked in) a better place than I found it.
Yet Piers Morgan apparently can't see any joy or meaning in his life unless he personally gets to go on existing forever. Sorry Piers, I'm not that self-absorbed.
If Piers Morgan believes in "God" without any verifiable evidence scientific or otherwise what other rubbish will he believe on the same level of criteria ??
Where do I go when I die? The ground... or travel the world, have new experiences, contemplate life after death with some pals, and eat them- because I'm a zombie. There is also atheist wonderland, a place where you can relax with loved ones for an eternity, stay up late, party, eat lasagna, and watch earth football; it is place we all would go, if it actually existed- scientists have been shouting at the sky and, still, await a response.
God I wish he wasn't British. We gave the world Christopher Hitchens & Thomas Paine, but unfortunately we also gave the world that arrogant rude dick head.
After WWII it was American servicemen that paid to have a statue erected in his home town of Thetford in Norfolk, England, because, even today, the British Establishment still regard him as a traitor. He was an Englishman who urged America to stand up against an evil English Christian King, George III, and fight for independence. He also wrote pamphlets and books justifying his cause. These are still available today.
Its simple....Just say Jesus...come into my life and show me your glory...that I may believe for myself!....then just be silent. Listen...I guarantee he will honor your prayer. Because It is not Gods will that any should perish. God bless yo
what a terribly way to see things. If your right I would have lived an honest decent life...and did my best to treat others with kindness, and love...But what if I'm right. Please don't miss the opportunity of your life. Call on Jesus Christ..he loves you and only wants to spare you from an terrible fate.u.
@ethsailliamswa "What if I'm right." That is essentially Pascal's Wager, and it was utter nonsense when he posited it, too.
As to it being a "terrible way to see things," you're making the incorrect assumption that you know how an atheist sees things. All you know is how *you think* atheists must see things. I can tell from your posts that you are likely far off base.
Please fellow human beings...listen to your heart....all atheists I have a challenge for you!....Call upon the God of Abraham, Isac , and Jacob....Believe in the Savior Jesus Christ...Gods son. If you are not afraid of what you may discover. Ask him to make himself known to you. Then he will open your eyes! Right now you are blinded by the world. Trust me...you have nothing to loose. except your hopeless descent, and your waiting on your last breath.
@ethsailliamswa Sixth, we can "call on" pink unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster all day and the exact same thing will happen as if we call upon one or another "god." That is to say: nothing at all.
You are mistaking cognitive errors and personal emotion for evidence and reason.
They would even tell you that in order for the universe to be as large as it is right now particles would have had to move at thousands of times the speed of light at first. Cummon. Fact is we all worship something :for an atheist its their own self. But there is hope for every person who believes in Christ that we will live and rein with him on earth forever and ever Amen!
@ethsailliamswa Thirdly, just because you don't understand something from science doesn't mean it is invalid. Wikipedia's "Faster than light" page is a good jumping off point.
Fourth, atheists, in my experience as a vocal atheist, do not "worship" themselves. We do not "all worship something," regardless of what you've been told.
Fifth, as Penn tries to say, there is not one shred of anything approaching real evidence for any of the major claims of religion.
We'll lets see.First the non-believers clung to Evolution in a feeble attempt to disprove the existence of God . The theory of evolution is loosing ground all the time, and now it sounds like atheists are ditching that theory in favor of "We don't know", and why is it that some supporters of the big bang theory are now giving it some of the same characteristics of creation theory...such as " It came from nothing and exploded into everything.
@ethsailliamswa First, Evolution, that is to say, the science of biological evolution, was never an attempt to "disprove the existence of God." That's just factually incorrect.
Secondly, the theory of evolution is not "losing ground all the time," but rather is consistently and repeatedly supported by scientific evidence. The idea that the theory of evolution is "losing ground" is a nonsensical talking point used by people that don't understand science and how it works.
I was skipping through radio stations and came across a gospel station the song went something about the first million years in heaven & can't wait for the next million.
I'm thinking "why, are you hoping to find a way to end the intense boredom?
People like Piers Morgan are blinded by their small mindedness. He's not listening to what Penn is saying. There is no evidence, it's fairly easy to say there is no other reason to believe but on pure wishful thinking. Penn's reasons for a lack of belief are far more concrete than Piers'. He can't believe he won't exist after death, when he didnt exist for milleniu. Arrogance and stupidity.
Piers' inability to understand where we came from and where we are going is proof of his low IQ and bitterness with his god for not letting him know. Ha Ha what a dipshit, lodmouth moron.
People who don't believe in the existence of the Scum God that He, Christians, Jews, Muslims and other assortments of various god botherers pray to and kill for, are miserable. lol
Listen up all you religious faithheads and spiritualists: The idea of a "god" or "higher power" is not an answer at all. It only complicates things more because then you have to explain what/who/where/when that "god" is. Just grow up and let it go! Science is the ONLY game that matters.
Piers wants to know where we all come from and what happens to us when we die? What an ignorant twit. Oh well! just for you Piers I'll explain, it's quite simple really even you could understand it.
We come from the womb and when we die our bodies just rot away to nothing, unless of course we are cremated. This returns us to the same condition we were in before we were born, non-living. This was what Penn was trying to explain to you but you couldn't understand because of your low intelligence
@poofax56 When someone begins to lose their mental faculties they start to fully realize what we are. Traumatic experiences like Stephen King's car wreck and consequent awakening can do it to. Because we are the best at the game of life right now in this instant and because people like to feel comforted they look at the human condition as more than being organic and place a human consciousness over the Universe or whatever one's limit on reality is. But that is only comfort, you still don't know
@poofax56 Every time someone tries to tell me "we don't know what happens when we die," I respond with "Yes we do," followed by a quick lesson on the Laws of Thermodynamics.
@MultiShinar Yes I only believe in the concrete and tangible exist, but only when the results are demonstrable. Name something other than religion in life where this mentality is accepted and or widely used. Why you think this is a problem for my Atheism is a nonsensical statement.
@MultiShinar You're about empiricism. Unfortunately, you not using the methods of testing on which empiricism demands tangible results in regards to your claims. Instead you are doing what it doesn't rely on for the results; intuition, revelation and priori reasoning.
@MultiShinar So far this evening you have made many claims and the evidence you have presented has been scripture and regurgitated religious babble that is not new BTW. Other religions are wrong, there is only one God, the universe is designed by a "whom" and yet offered no evidence to support your claims. It may be "evidence" to you and that's fine. This is why I reject your claims because they have not met their burden of proof.
@MultiShinar I don't care what attributes go with whom or what. If the attributes don't prove or authenticate (which they don't) a subject, they are irrelevant.
@MultiShinar Once the Big Bang becomes a theory, than I would then be able to discuss it's authenticity. Since it remains a hypothesis and scrutinized by many I would rather not speculate. Too many what ifs.
@jdale1 So what you are saying is that you will not accept information on the formation of the Universe until it has been proven to a greater extent. You are just saying you don't know and choose to accept belief in God because it feels better to you to look at the unknown with human standards.
@MultiShinar That's because the Hindu Gods are not your God. You and the Muslims really like to separate your God from other "deities" and claim some moral high ground. Your reasons for your God are no different than the Hindu Gods.
@jdale1 "That's because the Hindu Gods are not your God. "
This is not the reason why Hinduism cannot tell us what the attributes apply to. Islam makes the same mistake. In Islam there are 99 attributes ascribed to Allah but these attributes do not apply to anything because Allah has no ESSENCE. So Hinduism and Islam present an incoherent concept of GOD. The bible tells you that GOD is SPIRIT and it is only in this sense that any attributes can be applied to the Self-Existent Being called GOD.
@MultiShinar Humanity is superior to any God. Power corrupts absolutely and if we look at all the religious texts this is what we see. Beings butchering and murdering people because they do not possess the power of the being(s) and said being(s) claims superiority. It's accepted Tyranny and slavery. Humanity has come as far as it has on it's own and the sooner we realize we need to be helping each other instead of trying to make everyone mental slaves to invisible boogeymen the better.
@MultiShinar I don't care what any of them say. If you make the claim that you know (positive) than you should have no problem presenting the evidence to support the claim. What is the more honest answer; making something up or saying I don't know? For all we know, there could be a God, and all the claims presented as evidence, scripture, speculative reasoning etc. could all be incorrect.
If religion's your thing, then fine. However, there is no escaping the fact that religion is completely irrational, illogical, full of contradictions, superstitions and it is the greatest tool to separate people. Most importantly; religion is - like it or not - created by humans, and clearly is just a way to cope with having to randomly exist in a vast universe. Also, your religious beliefs completely depend on where you were born. The only road to actually knowledge, goes through science.
@MultiShinar If I claimed I had an invisible magic elf on my head, would you believe me until it were proven false or would you disbelieve me until my claim were proven true?
@jdale1 If I claimed I had an invisible magic elf on my head, would you believe me until it were proven false or would you disbelieve me until my claim were proven true?
If you believe you have an invisible magic elf on your head then you must present your evidence of an invisible magic elf on your head. Just claiming it does not make it true. Present the evidence for your invisible magic elf.
@MultiShinar Yep, you are exactly right. I reject yours and other believers claims for God's existence, therefore I don't believe in God or any deity's existence. I don't claim to know that any does not exit and fully admit I could be wrong. Any Atheist who claims with a certainty to know a deity does not exist has a burden of proof just as any person claiming God or deity exists. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I applaud your efforts for trying though.
@jdale1 In philosophy, theology and court of law it is known that ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE hence you wisely admit you could be wrong. You have been taught the David Hume maxim (which was popularized by Carl Sagan) "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." The maxim is inherently false.
@MultiShinar "The maxim is inherently false." So basically you are just satisfied with someone saying there is no God and not presenting evidence to support that claim?
Awww, Piers....noo. I think you completely missed the point. You had so many higher moments on your show. You gave Charlie Sheen a chance when others wouldn't, don't let this rattle your cage and stir you up inside
How on earth could Penn even think of having a sensible conversation with Morgan.
One thing I find rather horrible about religion is that it is littered with creeps who profess moral superiority and then make money out of people's misery - a bit like the newspaper Morgan used to edit...
Also when he was working in journalism he was twice reported to the press complaints commission and at the time he was the only editor to do so. Then he quit the industry which I thought at the time was a bit silly, well, I mean, fancy giving up when you're on a hat trick!
And he got caught with his hand in the Insider Information till while editor of a newspaper. If I remember right he was forced to hand over his ill gotten gains to charity. I think it was around £30,000, (Ouch! I bet that hurt) probably the only time he has given to one. There are no hypocrites quite like men of God, they're absolutely unique.
Everyone, look up Ralp Ellis' genious theory about the origin of the jewish religion. You find it on Youtube or google it. It says the jews were never slaves or victims of the pharao, but the ruling class of egypt themselves. Furthermore he states, that the old testament was the anals of the pharaos, written history, with other words. This truely gives a different perspective of the so called victim role of the jews throughout history. Also look up the jewish role in slave trade.
You gave us Jimi Hendrix, and we loved him. You gave us Michael Jackson and we loved him. You gave us Madonna, and we loved her - hell one of us even married her, the poor bastard....
We gave you John Lennon... And you shot him.
So... here's Piers Morgan: now go ahead and make yourselves useful, eh?
If you had an open mind Piers you could produce the same personal objection against a book entitled, "God, Yes!" Would that anger you? I doubt it. You're only angry with people for expressing their opinions when you don't happen to agree with them. That is bigotry.
It appears to me that you have an irrational fear of atheists because they may well be right.
I'm a baptised atheist. The church carried out this ceremony without my consent by drawing presumptuous conclusions. That angers me!
@MultiShinar You are mistaken. Atheism is the rejection of positive claims for God's existence, not an assertion that God does in fact not exist. The belief whether it's true or not doesn't have to be justified. It's justified when the person making the claim (God does in fact exist) fails to provide evidence to support the claim. I don't believe in God, I don't claim to know God doesn't exist.
@jdale1 "Atheism is the rejection of positive claims for God's existence, not an assertion that God does in fact not exist"
This is not true. Atheism is from the Greek a=against and theos=God hence "against God" or "no God." Atheism is not a rejection of theistic claims. Atheism makes the claim that there is no God or God does not exist. Your view of atheism has its origin in New Atheism promulgated by Richard Dawkins, Daniel C. Dennett, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and Victor J. Stenger.
@MultiShinar I am also very interested in hearing your opinions on why the New Atheist position is weak. In my opinion, the standard definition is very inaccurate and void substance. It's ridiculous to for an Atheist to be "against God" when the Atheist position is a lack of belief. I don't see the logic of being against something if I don't believe in it the first place. I figure an intelligent person of your stature would require something more or presentation of someone making a positive
@jdale1 It's ridiculous to for an Atheist to be "against God" when the Atheist position is a lack of belief. I don't see the logic of being against something if I don't believe in it the first place.
Atheism is not a LACK OF BELIEF. Atheism is GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Agnosticism is A LACK OF BELIEF or KNOWLEDGE.
"I don't see the logic of being against something if I don't believe in it the first place."
The atheistic claim that there is no GOD is a position against GOD.
@jdale1 The new atheism is weak in that it does not and cannot present any reason why it is true or why it is the better worldview. When dealing with the origin of the universe, new atheism can only present the old arguments of old atheism or strong atheism. But these arguments have been successfully refuted and shown to be false. As a result, atheism, with its many divisions and sects, is intellectually weak because it cannot present any reason why it is true or the better worldview.
@MultiShinar I don't have to present evidence that my disbelief is true. My disbelief is validated when the person making the claim fails to provide evidence to support the claim. Atheism is not a world view (look up the definition) nor is it an ideology. If you believe in a God, you are a Theist. If you don't believe in God you are an Atheist. I could careless if my reasoning is a better argument, that's not the point. A lack of belief doesn't need to present anything to support the disbelief.
@MultiShinar Atheism and the origin of the universe are completely separate issues. What "arguments" have been successfully "refuted and shown". If they had, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
@jdale1 "Atheism and the origin of the universe are completely separate issues."
This is not true. Atheism is a worldview that does not include GOD. Atheism tries to explain the origin of the universe by positing NATURALISM. Naturalism is a view that at best takes stupidity to a higher level.
"What "arguments" have been successfully "refuted and shown"."
The arguments from atheism/strong atheism are: Problem of Evil, Logical Argument, Evidential Argument, Transcendent-Personal Argument, etc
@MultiShinar "Atheism tries to explain the origin of the universe by positing NATURALISM. Naturalism is a view that at best takes stupidity to a higher level" Sorry, naturalism does not prove there is no God. "Problem of Evil, Logical Argument, Evidential Argument, Transcendent-Personal Argument, etc" All of these would exist if in fact God did not exist, so I see no point in saying because they are there God does exist.
@MultiShinar "This is not true. Atheism is a worldview that does not include GOD. Atheism tries to explain the origin of the universe by positing NATURALISM." My Atheistic views have nothing to do with how the universe was created and yet you want your god to take responsibility for the huge number of collapsing stars and imploding galaxies and destroyed universes and failed solar systems that have left us in this tiny corner on the one planet in this petty solar system that can support life,
@MultiShinar some of the time on some of its surface, and you want a creator who has filled this earth with species since life began, 99% of which are now extinct, already. This hardly has any concept of any plan or design.
@jdale1 This hardly has any concept of any plan or design."
Design? Sure it does. Anyone that claims the universe is not designed presents a self-refuting statement. How? Because the very statement "The universe is not designed" is itself designed and it is designed by an intelligent MIND. For example, "Universe the not is design" the arrangement of words violate grammatical rules; its not a sentence. A sentence that shows design, order and purpose is "The universe is not designed".
@MultiShinar The above statement meaning designed by a "whom". No evidence of a "whom" or a what. Not that the universe has no sort of design, but it's design appears and in cases proven to be random and conflicts with the described "intelligent design" noted in religious manuscripts. Who are you giving the grammar lesson too?
"You go to a celestial place and it's wonderful!" What a child...
It's so frustrating that so many people can't accept or even imagine that there is no such thing as an "afterlife"...
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Most religious beliefs stem from our difficulty accepting death. That's why people in heaven. Most people don't want to live in the full reality of the human condition. That's why drugs (including Religion) are so popular.
sendtoanthony 3 days ago
Piers Morgan: "You can't tell people that they're wrong when they tout a ridiculous imaginary explanation for an unanswerable question." What an idiot.
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I had not watched Piers Morgan before seeing this. I wish I could go back to complete ignorance of his existence.
shaggyhag 6 days ago
Piers Morgan believes that there is something out there without any evidence and we have Penn Jillet who uses the fact that their is no evidence for him to believe in God therefore he lacks faith in it. Can you spot the idiot?
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@Malangsufi Morgan/Jillette arguments aside, our mere existence is evidence that begs the question of origins—which science cannot answer with any more evidence than can belief in God. Invisible God...invisible super sub-atomic particles that exploded bringing all things (our cosmos) into being. The idiot is the one who says facts are conclusive. Atheists conclude. Science never concludes. Neither does faith...if it's honest.
IMCcanTWEESTED 4 days ago
Piers Morgan is saying it is incomprehensible and he is puzzled as why atheist cannot comprehend his non-sense to him!
Malangsufi 6 days ago
Sorry America, from every British person, on behalf of tis CUNT
hustler999999 1 week ago
@hustler999999 Where do you get off calling him a "cunt" Sorry females on behalf of this jerk.
MyCatsareMyGods 6 days ago
what the hell. Why cut it off there?
Snarkonymous 1 week ago
100% Penn. Piers get lost somewhere,
opTreadstone 1 week ago
LOL at the idea there's a heaven and even bigger LOL at the idea Piers Morgan thinks he'd actually be allowed in if it were real.
HudsonMayBeRight 1 week ago
I used to hate Piers Morgan, now I really fucking hate Piers Morgan.
LJDPR 2 weeks ago
Why the FUCK did Piers Morgan get a talk show? An even better question, who in their right mind would watch it?
doksekko 2 weeks ago
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Americans, why do you think we got rid of him
sp3cialone 1 week ago
Wow, Penn is so patient with him. Shouldn't have wasted his time with this idiot.
whittyjd 2 weeks ago
But, Jillette supports Ron Paul. We're both libertarians. So I can't really hate on him either.
DemonicPuppet83 3 weeks ago
He was right. You can't write a book telling people they're wrong about a specific subject, but then continue to answer nothing about the big questions concerning that topic.
DemonicPuppet83 3 weeks ago
I'm a Christian but Penn Jillette is my favorite atheist, I would definitely love to have a beer with him and discuss our differences.
cougarsrule45 4 weeks ago
Piers Morgan keeps saying he "believes" god exists. If he believes god exists he doesn't know because belief means "I don't know". Piers Morgan is an agnostic. If Piers Morgan says "I know god exists" he is a theist but know he has to show us how he knows. He has to give us the proof. At least a single scrap of evidence would be nice. He has nothing because a belief is nothing.
residentatheist 4 weeks ago
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@residentatheist Agnostic is not a 3rd category between atheist and theist. Agnostic means you dont claim to know. It is seperate from what you believe. I am an agnostic-atheist, piers is an agnostic-theist. Someone who claims to know and is a believer would be a "gnostic-theist". You can be a gnostic-atheist, but this seems like the rarest group.
elatus 4 weeks ago
Wow... I could have made a better argument than that 'Chief Atheist'.
SasuSakuGleeFan123 4 weeks ago
yes you can. your holding the damn book pierce.
TheCyberScrub 1 month ago
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From what I can tell, Morgan's position is: if you're going to point out the flaws in my just-so fairy tale, then you have to provide me with a slightly better fairy tale in return. To do anything else is disrespectful. I'll never understand this way of thinking- if you want to help me to dump the lies, you need to give me a new lie to replace it. Not helpful, Morgan.
ideologger 1 month ago
I want Larry King back who was able to do interviews without throwing his own opinion in his guests faces every 5 minute. Morgan is an idiot and probably the most religiouly deluded Englishman they could possibly find. Jillette's point is perfectly valid: how is believing without evidence in a supernatural being that created the universe a better answer than saying we don't know what created the universe?
Chris197980CH 1 month ago
Go penn !
TheStuartmaclean13 1 month ago
On behalf of the British people, I apologise for Piers Morgan being alive.
ComicBookBoy1082 1 month ago 23
@ComicBookBoy1082 on behalf of an American, i accept your apology. i apologize for my idiotic country!
InfectedInHD 4 days ago
@InfectedInHD Britain accepts your apology. :-)
ComicBookBoy1082 3 days ago
Piers Morgan is sooo fucking stupid on sooooo many levels!!!!!!!!
KvollerKvoller 1 month ago
You are terrified of death if you need comfort as to where you are going to go when you’re dead.
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A question for humanity. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how will you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they will have to die?
QuestionForHumanity 1 month ago
i dont know why people would waste their time to watch piers and his ridiculous tv prog. he is useless
Lafweyn 1 month ago
Penn talked about this interview on Penn Point and said he was very proud of himself for maintaining his composure because that's what his parents would have wanted him to do. He deserves every bit of respect he gets. Also, Morgan can afford to learn a thing or two about respect from him.
lovemeordie83 1 month ago 4
piers morgon does not believe in god. he sees oreilly etc making 10's of millions of dollars per year and wants a cut.
antoireland09 1 month ago
piers morgan is a stupid fuckwad
phildirt3 1 month ago
If Penn is the chief atheist, then what does that make Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris and Dillahunty?
Shun101010 1 month ago 2
@Shun101010 GODS ?? LOL
doobon 1 month ago
@Shun101010 shermer dennett also
phildirt3 1 month ago
"You can't write a book basically telling a bunch of people around the world, billions of people...that you're all wrong. But, by the way, I don't have any explanations". Like...the bible?
WannabeBallerina 1 month ago 11
seriously? I don't think Piers Morgan violated anything. I'm atheist btw. he just defended his views and questioned Penn fiercely which should be done. However at the end of the day, atheists win the arguments, he just isn't trying hard enough to see it.
D5932 1 month ago
@yoyo2121d25 Not at all. Just listen to the interview, and the obviously fake outrage over a perfectly reasonable claim.
frabjous79 1 month ago
@HelFKiernan What the hell are you talking about? Holier than thou? Really? Thats mainly what YOU people do. You patronize and condescend to theists. Non belief is around US all the time, it's in our fuckin' media, it's in our schools, our society. Theism is being frowned opon and mocked by people in the media, in universities, even in the workplace, and the government. YOU people have that "How dare you" look on YOUR faces when we even so much mention theism around you.
yoyo2121d25 1 month ago
Why isn't he on Faux News?
daverigby23 1 month ago
I didn't think Piers was very antagonistic...I think he was sincerely interested in what Penn thought. He was curious to what his beliefs were and was looking for an intellectual conversation.
JackieNicoleSings 1 month ago
ah, the insanity of a christian. piers probably thought he was making sense and was presenting his information politely.
sethmusic 1 month ago
@sethmusic Piers was not trying to prove he was right or even make sense. He was pandering to what he believes is the mindset of his viewers to endear himself to them by "attacking" the anti-christ or non-believer.
However, I do believe he is fully capable of believing one thing and doing something contradictory to that belief. Or of holding contradictory concepts. Any apparent conflicts are swept under the rug of "mystery," a place that forbids honest examination and reconciliation.
JunkMale57 1 month ago
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TrumpetCallofGodLT 1 month ago
if we cant wright a book then you cant base your whole fucking life on the bible you christan assholes
gageisgay45 1 month ago
@gageisgay45 ok, you guys have written several books, made documentaries, you guys have tv shows, radio shows, podcasts, yeah you guys do alot. Us on the other hand have the book in it's many translations, one network, a handful of radio shows and podcasts. What's so wrong about basing your life on the principles in the bible? What wrong with that?
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
When it comes to Piers Morgan, lying about his involvement in Phone Hacking, reprinting faked photos of supposed "abuse" by our troops in Iraq when he was editor of The Mirror, he angers me. He really angers me.
BriansBannister 1 month ago
Piers has taught us that you can appear to win an argument by talking over your opponent at any given time.
KeshnerfFilms 1 month ago
@KeshnerfFilms People talk over people with contrary views ALL THE TIME. It's human. Atheists talk over Christians and visa versa
yoyo2121d25 1 month ago
@yoyo2121d25 THANKS BILLY
KeshnerfFilms 1 month ago
did penn even need to be here for the interview? the host didn't even address a single point that he made. they should have just put up a still photo of him and the host could talk AT that.
Joseph24300 1 month ago
Another in a long line of knucklehead theists. There seems to be an endless supply.
Impalamark64 1 month ago
Piers Morgan is a total dick.
Nilguiri 1 month ago
Piers Morgan does not know anything on this topic and just looks like an ass.Stumbles to even get out his own idea of what god is or an after life and at no point has any justification. He thinks hmmm atheists do not know where we come from so then I'm right to make up any bullshit idea. Haha terrible.
jasmac04 1 month ago
The questions which baffle atheists ? The hard reality of life ? What on earth is this Morgan guy waffling about ? These are the issues that should baffle religious people ! You can't reconcile the hard reality of life with a benevolent deity. Atheists on the other hand can reconcile that by the reasoning that the universe is completely impersonal and follows certain physical tendencies that science has enlightened humanity about.
formless777 1 month ago
Piers Morgan is an ass hole
Matt412100 1 month ago
@Matt412100 Yeah he's an ass hole alright, only when he's open about his faith and opposes people who deliberately mock people because of what they beleive in. But when he's calling Rick Santorum a bigot he's hero.
yoyo2121d25 1 month ago
@yoyo2121d25 Penn Jilette isn't mocking anybody - he's being open about his outlook on things. If a christian is open about his "faith" it's alright, but when an atheist opens his mouth he's automatically arrogant and condescending
Matt412100 1 month ago
It's ridiculous when people ask you the question "Where do you go when you die?"..
It's absurd really, nonsensical!
How would i fucking know! I have never died before, you see i am alive!
vinivinus 2 months ago
@vinivinus It's not a rediculous question. It's a matter of opinion. They're asking what YOU think happens.
yoyo2121d25 1 month ago
@yoyo2121d25 Agreed. Well, having an opinion is alright. But, people make up these intricate stories on life after death, and are so certain about, that's what is going to happen. All i'm asking is how the fuck can you know that for sure?
Although, this is a huge subject to debate upon, first you have to ask if there's a soul or no, then, does the soul survive death, is it immortal? if it isn't made of atoms like the body, how does it contain in a materialistic world like this?
vinivinus 1 month ago
I just lost all my respect for Piers Morgan. Ugh.
frabjous79 2 months ago
@frabjous79 why because he's christian? Ooh prejudice much?
yoyo2121d25 1 month ago
Religious people believe what they want to believe and what is convenient. That they will live forever in one form or another. Any threat to that is mocking them and angers them. The thought that they may be wrong, terrifies them and they will justify the magic power that grants them eternity, at all cost of reason, logic or common sense. Who can blame them? Who can reason with them? No one. They are hopelessly lost in bliss. Have another cup of cool aid.
qixxxz 2 months ago
To piers last question, I would simply reply, just because we know religion is bullshit, doesn't mean we have to have an alternative answer. Science disproves religion on every level.
BrightDigitalProduct 2 months ago
Piers is a wanker.
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AtheistMusicChannel 2 months ago
Yes Piers, the hard reality of life baffles we atheists. Damn reality.
3234718 2 months ago
im sad to see that penn wasnt able to get a word out against Piers. Penn is a smart guy, and unfortunately it looks like piers came in with an agenda in mind, consisting of him trying to prove penn wrong. He should have gone in with a mind set of him wanting to talk about the issue, not prove his is right.
dos2cpp 2 months ago
Why oh why did anyone think Piers Morgan should be given a job let alone the one Larry King used to have? The man is lousy at interview, stunted in intellect, and wrapped in unpleasantness. The US should have stopped him at the airport and turned him back
If Morgan wasn't going to listen to Penn Jillette, why did he have him on the show? Jackasses are better behaved than the ignorant monkey known as Piers Morgan.
drfoxcourt 2 months ago
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You could repent. Moreover, you could ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10
paularenas26 2 months ago
Piers appears to be pulling a Bill O'Reilly and bullying his guest. I would have been interested in how Penn Gillette responded to Piers' last comment.
joe3eagles 2 months ago
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hey, guys, religions are based on dogmas. do u know what is dogma? dogma is a a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof. TRUE WITHOUT PROOF. WTF. ppl?
TheBlackKatana 2 months ago
Piers is either doing it on purpose (common practice in interviews to act as a devil's advocate) or he's prone to committing the most obvious logical fallacies and can never be told.
ion010101 2 months ago
Piers, what would God think, (if he does exist) of your merciless bullying of people who are weird or untalented in your reality shows, or your suspicious and often criminal journalism? TWAT
pingpongdemon 2 months ago
Piers is right, there is a Greater Being out there. And it has provided answers to some of his questions.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes, or analysis by Stephen Hawking.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
See ' God says sorry. '
lacontrabasse 2 months ago
Wow, with Piers there Jillette actually looks less of a cunt.
23Stork 2 months ago
"Living" is a verb. It's a process of self generating action. When you stop self-generating, you're dead. When a watch breaks, it stops keeping time.
"Where do you go when you die?"
What a stupid question. Where does timekeeping go when your watch breaks? The question is simply meaningless and tellingly childish.
LucisFerre1 3 months ago
hahahha what a twat!
~ you can't go around telling a bunch of people who believe in a god "you're all wrong but by the way i don't have any explanations"
soooo...it's ok for religious people to say 'you're all wrong for not believing in god' even though they don't have any explanations either? way to box yourself into a corner morgan. idiot.
joystixxify 3 months ago
Don't think piers morgan ever said a single word about religion when he was in the UK - he's clearly just trying to get popularity with a certain demographic in the USA. Total scumbag sellout.
GodTheHypothesis 3 months ago 3
Wow piers is a raging thunder-cunt of an ass.
Ericrestes1 3 months ago 20
All piers says is:
"I don't know about xyz"
"Therefore I will fill my gap in knowledge with this concept I call god, without substantiation of it"
Eg: God of Gaps.
thegreathistorian7 3 months ago 3
Asserting himself as a theist. I think Piers wants to stay on this side of the ocean.
dymchurch1 3 months ago
The word, 'CUNT', is specially reserved for Piers Morgan.
SamuelJNaylor 3 months ago 34
@SamuelJNaylor Well, I don't think using a gender specific word like that in such a derogatory way is ok to begin with. Can we perhaps agree on another word? Say 'ASSHOLE'?
MsSegundus 1 month ago
The idea that atheists "must be miserable" because we don't believe in an afterlife implies a very selfish attitude. When I die my consciousness will cease to exist, but I'll leave people behind who'll remember me, and hopefully I'll leave the world (or the parts of it I lived and worked in) a better place than I found it.
Yet Piers Morgan apparently can't see any joy or meaning in his life unless he personally gets to go on existing forever. Sorry Piers, I'm not that self-absorbed.
MrRazorz 3 months ago
If Piers Morgan believes in "God" without any verifiable evidence scientific or otherwise what other rubbish will he believe on the same level of criteria ??
domnal 3 months ago
Where do I go when I die? The ground... or travel the world, have new experiences, contemplate life after death with some pals, and eat them- because I'm a zombie. There is also atheist wonderland, a place where you can relax with loved ones for an eternity, stay up late, party, eat lasagna, and watch earth football; it is place we all would go, if it actually existed- scientists have been shouting at the sky and, still, await a response.
How does nobody get this?
Bourtini 3 months ago
Even if I was religious that Piers Morgan would irritate me. What a guy to have fighting your corner!!!
forfar4fife5 3 months ago
Jesus Christ - Piers is one fucking retard.
God I wish he wasn't British. We gave the world Christopher Hitchens & Thomas Paine, but unfortunately we also gave the world that arrogant rude dick head.
SOS763 3 months ago 3
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"Thomas Paine!" Now you're talking, what a man.
After WWII it was American servicemen that paid to have a statue erected in his home town of Thetford in Norfolk, England, because, even today, the British Establishment still regard him as a traitor. He was an Englishman who urged America to stand up against an evil English Christian King, George III, and fight for independence. He also wrote pamphlets and books justifying his cause. These are still available today.
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Did Piers really accuse Penn of being scared of death? Isn't that the other way around?
TheDalinkwent 3 months ago
Its simple....Just say Jesus...come into my life and show me your glory...that I may believe for myself!....then just be silent. Listen...I guarantee he will honor your prayer. Because It is not Gods will that any should perish. God bless yo
ethsailliamswa 3 months ago
what a terribly way to see things. If your right I would have lived an honest decent life...and did my best to treat others with kindness, and love...But what if I'm right. Please don't miss the opportunity of your life. Call on Jesus Christ..he loves you and only wants to spare you from an terrible fate.u.
ethsailliamswa 3 months ago
@ethsailliamswa "What if I'm right." That is essentially Pascal's Wager, and it was utter nonsense when he posited it, too.
As to it being a "terrible way to see things," you're making the incorrect assumption that you know how an atheist sees things. All you know is how *you think* atheists must see things. I can tell from your posts that you are likely far off base.
Grungydan 3 months ago
Please fellow human beings...listen to your heart....all atheists I have a challenge for you!....Call upon the God of Abraham, Isac , and Jacob....Believe in the Savior Jesus Christ...Gods son. If you are not afraid of what you may discover. Ask him to make himself known to you. Then he will open your eyes! Right now you are blinded by the world. Trust me...you have nothing to loose. except your hopeless descent, and your waiting on your last breath.
ethsailliamswa 3 months ago
@ethsailliamswa Sixth, we can "call on" pink unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster all day and the exact same thing will happen as if we call upon one or another "god." That is to say: nothing at all.
You are mistaking cognitive errors and personal emotion for evidence and reason.
Grungydan 3 months ago
They would even tell you that in order for the universe to be as large as it is right now particles would have had to move at thousands of times the speed of light at first. Cummon. Fact is we all worship something :for an atheist its their own self. But there is hope for every person who believes in Christ that we will live and rein with him on earth forever and ever Amen!
ethsailliamswa 3 months ago
@ethsailliamswa Thirdly, just because you don't understand something from science doesn't mean it is invalid. Wikipedia's "Faster than light" page is a good jumping off point.
Fourth, atheists, in my experience as a vocal atheist, do not "worship" themselves. We do not "all worship something," regardless of what you've been told.
Fifth, as Penn tries to say, there is not one shred of anything approaching real evidence for any of the major claims of religion.
Grungydan 3 months ago
We'll lets see.First the non-believers clung to Evolution in a feeble attempt to disprove the existence of God . The theory of evolution is loosing ground all the time, and now it sounds like atheists are ditching that theory in favor of "We don't know", and why is it that some supporters of the big bang theory are now giving it some of the same characteristics of creation theory...such as " It came from nothing and exploded into everything.
ethsailliamswa 3 months ago
@ethsailliamswa First, Evolution, that is to say, the science of biological evolution, was never an attempt to "disprove the existence of God." That's just factually incorrect.
Secondly, the theory of evolution is not "losing ground all the time," but rather is consistently and repeatedly supported by scientific evidence. The idea that the theory of evolution is "losing ground" is a nonsensical talking point used by people that don't understand science and how it works.
Grungydan 3 months ago
Piers is a MORON!!!!
whatiswebsite 3 months ago
Wow...I always knew Piers was an arsehole but I didn't realise he was also a moron.
firehot006 3 months ago
Piers Morgan is a massive cock.
HybridSpaceMonkey 3 months ago
I was skipping through radio stations and came across a gospel station the song went something about the first million years in heaven & can't wait for the next million.
I'm thinking "why, are you hoping to find a way to end the intense boredom?
robvlob 3 months ago
People like Piers Morgan are blinded by their small mindedness. He's not listening to what Penn is saying. There is no evidence, it's fairly easy to say there is no other reason to believe but on pure wishful thinking. Penn's reasons for a lack of belief are far more concrete than Piers'. He can't believe he won't exist after death, when he didnt exist for milleniu. Arrogance and stupidity.
jazz4 3 months ago
Funny how everyone's dissing Piers when Penn was completely lost for words. True Winner: Piers
Had the argument on Lockdown.
blublast3 3 months ago
wow, piers got seriously schooled.
conorw69 3 months ago
piers is quite arrogant. i want answers!!
48mmwatch 3 months ago
Piers' inability to understand where we came from and where we are going is proof of his low IQ and bitterness with his god for not letting him know. Ha Ha what a dipshit, lodmouth moron.
arealisticone 3 months ago
Penn got owned!! Get out of here atheist Haha
lc1526 3 months ago
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Piers Morgan's Law:
People who don't believe in the existence of the Scum God that He, Christians, Jews, Muslims and other assortments of various god botherers pray to and kill for, are miserable. lol
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"If it's on a comprehension level that you can''t understand, aren't you done?"
LOL, ZING!
DickJohnson3434 3 months ago 28
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Listen up all you religious faithheads and spiritualists: The idea of a "god" or "higher power" is not an answer at all. It only complicates things more because then you have to explain what/who/where/when that "god" is. Just grow up and let it go! Science is the ONLY game that matters.
ptij0404 4 months ago
Piers wants to know where we all come from and what happens to us when we die? What an ignorant twit. Oh well! just for you Piers I'll explain, it's quite simple really even you could understand it.
We come from the womb and when we die our bodies just rot away to nothing, unless of course we are cremated. This returns us to the same condition we were in before we were born, non-living. This was what Penn was trying to explain to you but you couldn't understand because of your low intelligence
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@poofax56 When someone begins to lose their mental faculties they start to fully realize what we are. Traumatic experiences like Stephen King's car wreck and consequent awakening can do it to. Because we are the best at the game of life right now in this instant and because people like to feel comforted they look at the human condition as more than being organic and place a human consciousness over the Universe or whatever one's limit on reality is. But that is only comfort, you still don't know
Luigi84289 3 months ago
@poofax56 Every time someone tries to tell me "we don't know what happens when we die," I respond with "Yes we do," followed by a quick lesson on the Laws of Thermodynamics.
Grungydan 3 months ago
@MultiShinar Yes I only believe in the concrete and tangible exist, but only when the results are demonstrable. Name something other than religion in life where this mentality is accepted and or widely used. Why you think this is a problem for my Atheism is a nonsensical statement.
jdale1 4 months ago
@MultiShinar You're about empiricism. Unfortunately, you not using the methods of testing on which empiricism demands tangible results in regards to your claims. Instead you are doing what it doesn't rely on for the results; intuition, revelation and priori reasoning.
jdale1 4 months ago
@MultiShinar So far this evening you have made many claims and the evidence you have presented has been scripture and regurgitated religious babble that is not new BTW. Other religions are wrong, there is only one God, the universe is designed by a "whom" and yet offered no evidence to support your claims. It may be "evidence" to you and that's fine. This is why I reject your claims because they have not met their burden of proof.
jdale1 4 months ago
@MultiShinar I don't care what attributes go with whom or what. If the attributes don't prove or authenticate (which they don't) a subject, they are irrelevant.
jdale1 4 months ago
@MultiShinar Once the Big Bang becomes a theory, than I would then be able to discuss it's authenticity. Since it remains a hypothesis and scrutinized by many I would rather not speculate. Too many what ifs.
jdale1 4 months ago
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@jdale1 So what you are saying is that you will not accept information on the formation of the Universe until it has been proven to a greater extent. You are just saying you don't know and choose to accept belief in God because it feels better to you to look at the unknown with human standards.
Luigi84289 3 months ago
@MultiShinar That's because the Hindu Gods are not your God. You and the Muslims really like to separate your God from other "deities" and claim some moral high ground. Your reasons for your God are no different than the Hindu Gods.
jdale1 4 months ago
@jdale1 "That's because the Hindu Gods are not your God. "
This is not the reason why Hinduism cannot tell us what the attributes apply to. Islam makes the same mistake. In Islam there are 99 attributes ascribed to Allah but these attributes do not apply to anything because Allah has no ESSENCE. So Hinduism and Islam present an incoherent concept of GOD. The bible tells you that GOD is SPIRIT and it is only in this sense that any attributes can be applied to the Self-Existent Being called GOD.
MultiShinar 4 months ago
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@MultiShinar Humanity is superior to any God. Power corrupts absolutely and if we look at all the religious texts this is what we see. Beings butchering and murdering people because they do not possess the power of the being(s) and said being(s) claims superiority. It's accepted Tyranny and slavery. Humanity has come as far as it has on it's own and the sooner we realize we need to be helping each other instead of trying to make everyone mental slaves to invisible boogeymen the better.
Luigi84289 3 months ago
@MultiShinar I don't care what any of them say. If you make the claim that you know (positive) than you should have no problem presenting the evidence to support the claim. What is the more honest answer; making something up or saying I don't know? For all we know, there could be a God, and all the claims presented as evidence, scripture, speculative reasoning etc. could all be incorrect.
jdale1 4 months ago
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If religion's your thing, then fine. However, there is no escaping the fact that religion is completely irrational, illogical, full of contradictions, superstitions and it is the greatest tool to separate people. Most importantly; religion is - like it or not - created by humans, and clearly is just a way to cope with having to randomly exist in a vast universe. Also, your religious beliefs completely depend on where you were born. The only road to actually knowledge, goes through science.
aigg 4 months ago
@MultiShinar If I claimed I had an invisible magic elf on my head, would you believe me until it were proven false or would you disbelieve me until my claim were proven true?
jdale1 4 months ago
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@jdale1 If I claimed I had an invisible magic elf on my head, would you believe me until it were proven false or would you disbelieve me until my claim were proven true?
If you believe you have an invisible magic elf on your head then you must present your evidence of an invisible magic elf on your head. Just claiming it does not make it true. Present the evidence for your invisible magic elf.
MultiShinar 4 months ago
@MultiShinar Yep, you are exactly right. I reject yours and other believers claims for God's existence, therefore I don't believe in God or any deity's existence. I don't claim to know that any does not exit and fully admit I could be wrong. Any Atheist who claims with a certainty to know a deity does not exist has a burden of proof just as any person claiming God or deity exists. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I applaud your efforts for trying though.
jdale1 4 months ago
@jdale1 In philosophy, theology and court of law it is known that ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE hence you wisely admit you could be wrong. You have been taught the David Hume maxim (which was popularized by Carl Sagan) "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." The maxim is inherently false.
MultiShinar 4 months ago
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@MultiShinar "The maxim is inherently false." So basically you are just satisfied with someone saying there is no God and not presenting evidence to support that claim?
jdale1 4 months ago
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@MultiShinar Would you believe the world is flat if I just told you a story I found in my basement claiming it was?
Luigi84289 3 months ago
Awww, Piers....noo. I think you completely missed the point. You had so many higher moments on your show. You gave Charlie Sheen a chance when others wouldn't, don't let this rattle your cage and stir you up inside
vendetta89 4 months ago
Piers Morgan is quite literally a moron.
goldleafduty 4 months ago 19
Jesus Christ!
How on earth could Penn even think of having a sensible conversation with Morgan.
One thing I find rather horrible about religion is that it is littered with creeps who profess moral superiority and then make money out of people's misery - a bit like the newspaper Morgan used to edit...
jagara1 4 months ago
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Also when he was working in journalism he was twice reported to the press complaints commission and at the time he was the only editor to do so. Then he quit the industry which I thought at the time was a bit silly, well, I mean, fancy giving up when you're on a hat trick!
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And he got caught with his hand in the Insider Information till while editor of a newspaper. If I remember right he was forced to hand over his ill gotten gains to charity. I think it was around £30,000, (Ouch! I bet that hurt) probably the only time he has given to one. There are no hypocrites quite like men of God, they're absolutely unique.
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Everyone, look up Ralp Ellis' genious theory about the origin of the jewish religion. You find it on Youtube or google it. It says the jews were never slaves or victims of the pharao, but the ruling class of egypt themselves. Furthermore he states, that the old testament was the anals of the pharaos, written history, with other words. This truely gives a different perspective of the so called victim role of the jews throughout history. Also look up the jewish role in slave trade.
Bommelmensch 4 months ago
Dear Americans:
You gave us Jimi Hendrix, and we loved him. You gave us Michael Jackson and we loved him. You gave us Madonna, and we loved her - hell one of us even married her, the poor bastard....
We gave you John Lennon... And you shot him.
So... here's Piers Morgan: now go ahead and make yourselves useful, eh?
flankspeed 4 months ago
If you had an open mind Piers you could produce the same personal objection against a book entitled, "God, Yes!" Would that anger you? I doubt it. You're only angry with people for expressing their opinions when you don't happen to agree with them. That is bigotry.
It appears to me that you have an irrational fear of atheists because they may well be right.
I'm a baptised atheist. The church carried out this ceremony without my consent by drawing presumptuous conclusions. That angers me!
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@MultiShinar You are mistaken. Atheism is the rejection of positive claims for God's existence, not an assertion that God does in fact not exist. The belief whether it's true or not doesn't have to be justified. It's justified when the person making the claim (God does in fact exist) fails to provide evidence to support the claim. I don't believe in God, I don't claim to know God doesn't exist.
jdale1 4 months ago
@jdale1 "Atheism is the rejection of positive claims for God's existence, not an assertion that God does in fact not exist"
This is not true. Atheism is from the Greek a=against and theos=God hence "against God" or "no God." Atheism is not a rejection of theistic claims. Atheism makes the claim that there is no God or God does not exist. Your view of atheism has its origin in New Atheism promulgated by Richard Dawkins, Daniel C. Dennett, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and Victor J. Stenger.
MultiShinar 4 months ago
@MultiShinar I am also very interested in hearing your opinions on why the New Atheist position is weak. In my opinion, the standard definition is very inaccurate and void substance. It's ridiculous to for an Atheist to be "against God" when the Atheist position is a lack of belief. I don't see the logic of being against something if I don't believe in it the first place. I figure an intelligent person of your stature would require something more or presentation of someone making a positive
jdale1 4 months ago
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@jdale1 It's ridiculous to for an Atheist to be "against God" when the Atheist position is a lack of belief. I don't see the logic of being against something if I don't believe in it the first place.
Atheism is not a LACK OF BELIEF. Atheism is GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Agnosticism is A LACK OF BELIEF or KNOWLEDGE.
"I don't see the logic of being against something if I don't believe in it the first place."
The atheistic claim that there is no GOD is a position against GOD.
MultiShinar 4 months ago
@jdale1 The new atheism is weak in that it does not and cannot present any reason why it is true or why it is the better worldview. When dealing with the origin of the universe, new atheism can only present the old arguments of old atheism or strong atheism. But these arguments have been successfully refuted and shown to be false. As a result, atheism, with its many divisions and sects, is intellectually weak because it cannot present any reason why it is true or the better worldview.
MultiShinar 4 months ago
@MultiShinar I don't have to present evidence that my disbelief is true. My disbelief is validated when the person making the claim fails to provide evidence to support the claim. Atheism is not a world view (look up the definition) nor is it an ideology. If you believe in a God, you are a Theist. If you don't believe in God you are an Atheist. I could careless if my reasoning is a better argument, that's not the point. A lack of belief doesn't need to present anything to support the disbelief.
jdale1 4 months ago
@MultiShinar Atheism and the origin of the universe are completely separate issues. What "arguments" have been successfully "refuted and shown". If they had, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
jdale1 4 months ago
@jdale1 "Atheism and the origin of the universe are completely separate issues."
This is not true. Atheism is a worldview that does not include GOD. Atheism tries to explain the origin of the universe by positing NATURALISM. Naturalism is a view that at best takes stupidity to a higher level.
"What "arguments" have been successfully "refuted and shown"."
The arguments from atheism/strong atheism are: Problem of Evil, Logical Argument, Evidential Argument, Transcendent-Personal Argument, etc
MultiShinar 4 months ago
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@MultiShinar "Atheism tries to explain the origin of the universe by positing NATURALISM. Naturalism is a view that at best takes stupidity to a higher level" Sorry, naturalism does not prove there is no God. "Problem of Evil, Logical Argument, Evidential Argument, Transcendent-Personal Argument, etc" All of these would exist if in fact God did not exist, so I see no point in saying because they are there God does exist.
jdale1 4 months ago
@MultiShinar "This is not true. Atheism is a worldview that does not include GOD. Atheism tries to explain the origin of the universe by positing NATURALISM." My Atheistic views have nothing to do with how the universe was created and yet you want your god to take responsibility for the huge number of collapsing stars and imploding galaxies and destroyed universes and failed solar systems that have left us in this tiny corner on the one planet in this petty solar system that can support life,
jdale1 4 months ago
@MultiShinar some of the time on some of its surface, and you want a creator who has filled this earth with species since life began, 99% of which are now extinct, already. This hardly has any concept of any plan or design.
jdale1 4 months ago
@jdale1 This hardly has any concept of any plan or design."
Design? Sure it does. Anyone that claims the universe is not designed presents a self-refuting statement. How? Because the very statement "The universe is not designed" is itself designed and it is designed by an intelligent MIND. For example, "Universe the not is design" the arrangement of words violate grammatical rules; its not a sentence. A sentence that shows design, order and purpose is "The universe is not designed".
MultiShinar 4 months ago
@MultiShinar The above statement meaning designed by a "whom". No evidence of a "whom" or a what. Not that the universe has no sort of design, but it's design appears and in cases proven to be random and conflicts with the described "intelligent design" noted in religious manuscripts. Who are you giving the grammar lesson too?
jdale1 4 months ago