All the comments on this video... Religion should not be a factor in whether or not someone is allowed to live their life without discrimination. A good person should be able to see the cruelty of discrimination and act against it without being obligated by the promise of heaven or fear of punishment from their deity. Not to mention that all this shit about Islam, Islam and Christianity are such similar religions, to hate Islam is like to hate Judaism. LGBTQ are not hurting anyone. Leave us be.
When a country stands alone, takes no assistance from other countries of the world, expects nothing from other countries of the world; then that country may stand proud, independent and strong. Africa is not such a nation. Bite the helping hand and that hand may withdraw.
this is a corrupting human nature, God have created men and women to spread generation after generation...Allah( God) will not accept the bad things like this. already the nation of Lot made but when he spoke them to stop Allah sent to them angel gebriel to destroy complete in one second time....
@MrDucaysane I have yet to see proof that there is a God/Allah, but if there is a God and he is all powerful, and knows everything and created everything, then he knew in advance that he would create the 350-800 million gays alive in the world today (5-8% of 7 billion), most of whom have never even heard of him, so would never think anything bad about their homosexuality. Therefore God is OK with Gays.
It is counter-intuitive to create 350 million Gays for people just to hate.
bankimoon talks the gay rights and sexual orientation discrimination in africa.... but i wana tell you mr ban africa doent need gay...transexy and soft men because they are black horses... they never go around these down things, if u are in believing Allah(God) and the history of prophet LOT and his people you couldnt talk like this. read the history of lot nation then judge your self. thanks
@MrDucaysane You are repeating things you have been taught, and you believe them unquestioningly, just as the people who taught you were taught by others who also believe them unquestioningly.
Did it never once occur to you that mistakes can and have been passed down from generation to generation, on just such a basis of not thinking for yourself?
Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time, and always will be. I am not and never have been sexually interested in females.
People of the world, let's unite! Money= moneyplay= moneypulation= manipulation. When we take money away and give wealth to all, we end that terrible money-play.
SHARIA= MURDER! And we have to treat it that way, now. It's our duty to protect dignity.
lol all the idiotic statements against homosexuality here are unbelievable. All the ignorance is amazing. I'm thankful that in Sweden people are more accepting and tolerant of others. But hey, if Africa was so grand, why do most people want to move away from it?
@TheLagunaSunrise sweden will be a muslim country? no. while the middle eastern population is growing in sweden. many of them are becoming atheists, as that is the norm in sweden.
@decontaminate01 "many of them are becoming atheists"... of course though, you cannot provide any statistics from any credible sources to back up your statement. I wonder why... ;-)
@TheLagunaSunrise well no i dont have any statistics, im just going by what i see in the media lol. there are a lot of middle eastern people that ive seen in swedish media, and theyve all been gay friendly and non religious. most blend in pretty well with swedish society. it is the small slum-like areas in sweden that are filled with muslim immigrants. and they are the one not integrating with swedish society.
Thank you for standing up for human rights. Religion is spreading this hate - we will only have truly have human rights for all when humans end the need to cling to invisible people that dictate hate.
@cheyla38 It's time for people like you to respect the fact that many people, around the world, find homosexuality utterly despicable, and therefore have laws against it. You won't get what you wish for.
@Evergr3entree That was NOT my logic. It is part of many cultures/religions around the world to view homosexuality as despicable behaviour (the devil's work, in many minds). Many cultures discriminate against outsiders. Do I care? Nope. Doesn't affect me in the slightest. Neither does African countries having laws against homosexuality affect you. Keep your nose out of other people's business.
@TheLagunaSunrise Then if you were the one being discriminated against, you shouldn't care or fight it, you should deal with it. Many countries have modernized since those prejudiced views. Unfortunately, much of Africa is still primitive, one of the reasons why it's a shit hole.
@Evergr3entree Africa is not a shithole because of its rejection of gay rights. Africa would be an even BIGGER shithole if it legalized homosexuality. There's nothing "primitive" about opposing homosexuality.
@TheLagunaSunrise I'm not saying Africa is a shithole, solely because it rejects gay rights. Africa is primitive for many reasons, which is why it is underdeveloped.
@Evergr3entree You attempted to connect Africa being a shithole to the fact it rejects gay-rights. Africa being a shithole has NOTHING to do with its rejection of gay-rights. Rejecting gay-rights has NOTHING to do with being "primitive".
@TheLagunaSunrise Rejecting gay rights is part of an old, ignorant, and prejudiced mind set. But, it's all good, because as the world evolves and people become more intelligent, homophobia and other types of discrimination will begin to phase out. Peace!
@Evergr3entree Utter nonsense. What has rejecting homosexuality got to do with being "ignorant"? Ignorance is having a lack of knowledge. How is rejecting homosexuality displaying a 'lack of knowledge'? Homosexuality is purely about sexual degeneracy. Rejecting it is common sense. Sorry, but you won't get your 'worldwide gay-rights' dream. Not gonna happen! Peace.
@TheLagunaSunrise There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. It harms no one, and it is present in all species. The reason that homophobia exists, is mainly because of religion. What religion does is enslave humanity. Many have come to realize this, which is why atheism is on the rise. If you look at the most wealthy nations, a large % of the population is Atheist. (You can make yourself feel better by believing in a God, but it doesn't make you well.) Your primitive mentality will die out.
@Evergr3entree Attempting to justify homosexuality because animals do it too? Great argument. LOL
Religion has nothing to do with enslaving humanity. Atheists are the most miserable people I have ever come across. Religious people are FAR happier than atheists. They're not enslaved at all. Homosexuals are enslaved by their sexual perversions. Atheism is not on the rise. In Europe, Islam is growing rapidly, for example.
When did I say I believe in 'god'? Don't put words in my mouth.
@TheLagunaSunrise I'm just saying that homosexuality is natural and that it harms none. Islam is mainly on the rise because of births. Atheism is on the rise because people choose to be Atheists after they realize religion is full of lies and bigotry. Left wing Europeans love Muslims more than their own people, that's why their allowing Europe to become Islamic.
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@Evergr3entree And cannibalism is natural too. You know many species practice cannibalism? By your logic, cannibalism is fine. Homosexuality harms the family. Homosexuals have a general hatred of anything heterosexual & moral.
Yes, Islam is on the rise because of births. So what? It's still growing, and in a few decades time, will be the dominant religion in France, Belgium, Britain, Sweden, Netherlands, and other European countries.
@TheLagunaSunrise It's still not just that homosexuals are being killed or imprisoned in many African and Middle Eastern countries just for being homosexual.
@TheLagunaSunrise For fucks sake you can't compare cannibalism to being attracted to a particular gender, there completely different things... And actually going by science and logic... (something someone like you fails to understand) is in fact across the bulk of Europe and western cultures that fastest growing "religious" movement is ironically atheism... 60% of Germany don't abide by any religion, and it's only increasing as the years go by... so yeah, that's really gonna happen (rolls eyes)
@designkid5555 The person I was arguing with said homosexual is natural because animals do it too. Animals also eat their own shit & cannibalize each other.
You really don't seem to understand it - Islam is growing rapidly across Europe because of immigration & birthrates. Muslim families tend to have around 3 - 5 children, whilst European families have around 1 - 2 children. This is how Islam is growing, dummy. You can twist it any way you like, it changes nothing.
@TheLagunaSunrise There's a difference between eating someone of the same species, and being attracted to a human being of the same gender, dumb-ass. And no... most science points to the basis of the worlds populace being at least 45% atheist by 2050... look it up. Science and human evolution is only going to belittle religion as the years go by, and there's a difference between Church and State, the UK is not an Islamic country, so even if you accounted for 90% of the populace the law.....
@designkid5555 But it's all natural, according to homosexuals, because animals do it too. 45% of the world's population atheist by 2050? LOL! BULLSHIT. Complete & utter BULLSHIT. By 2050, Muslims will be on their way to becoming the majority in UK. Once they are the majority, they can vote in whoever they like, and the laws can be changed. They can simply call it 'democracy'. Science & human evolution, as you call it, cannot stop Muslims from being religious & outbreeding you. You are dismissed.
@TheLagunaSunrise The view that religious belief will give way to atheism is known as the secularization thesis. The specific version that I have described is known as the existential security hypothesis. The basic idea is that as people become more affluent, they are less worried about lacking for basic necessities, or dying early from violence or disease. In other words they are secure in their own existence. This is all theory, but it makes since, Atheism has been on the rise for years
@TheLagunaSunrise Firstly the UK upholds a 2% populace for Islamic communities, meaning you are a MINORITY, there are more gay people in the UK, right now than Islamic people, And if Islamic beliefs, cause the UK to account for an Islamic proportion then actions and steps would be taken to stop it, we have the right to protect our heritage for what it is, and if they became a majority SERVE steps would have to be taken... which is why your cute little theory will NEVER happen...
@designkid5555 Muslims make up 5% of the UK population. In 10 years time (or less), that will rise to 10%, due to immigration and births. The Muslim population in Britain (and many other European countries is ONLY growing, not decreasing e.g. France, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Germany). In 20 years time, it will be about 20% of the British population, and so on and so forth. There is nothing you can do to stop Muslims from becoming the majority. They are outbreeding you, and that's a fact.
@TheLagunaSunrise Atheism is the fastest spreading "religious" movement across the globe at this moment, not islamic beliefs. Muslims make up for 2.8% of the population and the gay community make up for 4%, for Islamic people to become a majority it would take them CENTURIES, you my friend a just some sad, bigoted, closeted homophobe who's just determined to see the world ridden of all Caucasian people, and polluted with you're backwards thinking. You sir are a lunatic. Goodbye.
@designkid5555 Wrong. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, due to births. Islam is also the fastest growing religion in Europe, due to births & immigration. That's a fact. You can attempt to twist it any way you wish, but it changes nothing. In 2010 Muslims made up 5% of the British population. In 10 years time, that figure will have doubled. In another 20 years, it will have doubled again. Muslims have 3 - 5 children, Europeans have 1 - 2. Centuries? Nope, defo not centuries. lol
@TheLagunaSunrise No, I understood perfectly, I was ALSO being sarca... urgh, I can't even.... this is why I hate religion.... because it spawns ignorant, homophobic bigoted morons, who can't seem to integrate their minds with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them. AKA.... people like you....
@designkid5555 And you prove my point perfectly... you don't understand sarcasm. I love how you tried to put my last comment down to religion though. lol
@TheLagunaSunrise 2 A grade GCSE's in English Lit/Lang, Honey I know what sarcasm is. t's when someone says something and basically means the opposite. In a rather pathetic attempt to be marginally humorous. I was feeding your sarcastic comment, by ALSO being sarcastic. And hasn't our entire argument been about religion anyways.... oh no now we're talking about sarcasm... (facepalm)
@TheLagunaSunrise How do you know "Homosexuality harms the family" and "homosexuals have a general hatred of anything heterosexual"? How many homosexuals do you actually know? Proof please.
I am homosexual, most of my friends by far are heterosexual, so is the rest of my family. I love them more than anything else in this world.
I'd like to know where you get your information from, because it doesn't match any reality I know of.
@DerekWilliamsMusic Homosexuals can't have families. Do you know why homosexuality has been promoted so aggressively since the 60's (aka the 'sexual revolution')? Because it was purely about breaking down the family, and therefore breaking down society, and making Western countries weaker. Add to that aggressive feminism which told women they will be 'free' if they leave their children (or not have children), and join the workplace. It was also so the other half of the population could be taxed.
w w w . childwelfare . gov/pubs/f_gay/f_gay.cfm (delete spaces) shows that as long ago as 2000, up to 14 million children in the US alone, who were abandoned by their biological heterosexual parents are being raised by gay or lesbian adoptive parents.
However homosexuals can and do have biological offspring either from failed marriage or by arrangement with a non-parental, fertile donor, much as for heterosexuals.
@DerekWilliamsMusic You know what I'm talking about. Homosexuals do not reproduce and that is PURELY what I'm talking about here - REPRODUCTION. Muslims have on average 3 - 5 children, whilst Europeans have 1 - 2. It is inevitable that Muslims will become the majority in many European countries.
If you think Islam will change because that's what Christianity did, then you are out of your mind. You know NOTHING about Islam, or the Muslim world. You DON'T know what you're talking about.
@TheLagunaSunrise Muslims can leave their religion if they want to, but homosexuals will always be a fixed percentage of the human genus. 5-10% of Muslims are homosexual, just as 5-10% of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and Atheists are homosexual. Homosexuality is a human trait, not a religious choice.
Terrorising homosexuals will make us very miserable and unproductive, but it won't change our inborn sexual orientation. FWIW I had a Muslim boyfriend for a few years.
@DerekWilliamsMusic "Muslims can leave their religion if they want to" - with that one single statement, you prove how ignorant you are. I knew you were, but you sum it up with such a statement.
Yeah, you had a Muslim boyfriend... that really refutes my argument. lol
YOUR claim that Islam WILL change is erroneous. Islam has had 1400 years to change. It hasn't. There's no indication it's going to start now. It is simply wishful thinking on your part.
@DerekWilliamsMusic It's irrelevant what I think. The fact you're focusing on this now proves you have no reply to what we were originally talking about. You clearly know nothing about Islam or the Muslim world. The fact you call it "modern Islam" proves how ignorant you are. There is no such thing as "modern Islam". There is only one Islam - Islam. No "modern Islam", no 'liberal Islam', no 'fundamentalist Islam'... only ISLAM.
@DerekWilliamsMusic Your question is irrelevant to what we were talking about. You seem to be under the notion that Islam is going to change. Islam has stayed the same for 1400 years. The Quran has not been changed once. What makes you think it's going to change now? It is merely wishful thinking on your part.
@TheLagunaSunrise Your claim that Islam will never change is also erroneous. The prophet Mohammed had 11 wives, one of whom was a 9 year old girl, Aisha. She was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine when the marriage was consummated in Medina:
en . wikipedia . org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_wives
In the West,polygamy is illegal and pedophilia a detested crime. Do you, and does Islam still support these acts?
@TheLagunaSunrise You obviously haven't spoken to any homosexuals. None I know are 'enslaved', we just get on with our lives. I don't need to "justify" my homosexuality, any more than left handed people need to justify their left handedness.
The animals analogy is simply to refute the claim that homosexuality is "not natural". All this shows is that it is natural, because it occurs throughout nature.
A free people will never accept Shariah law with its barbaric punishments.
@DerekWilliamsMusic Animals do many things that most of us humans know better not to do, because it is detrimental to our health. Homosexuality is one of them.
Muslims are taking over Europe by outbreeding you. You don't want to have many children anymore (in your case, you can't). Muslims have on average 3 - 5 children. Europeans have 1 - 2. It is a mathematical certainty that in a few decades time, Muslims will be fast on their way to becoming the majority in many European countries.
@TheLagunaSunrise Muslims will slowly adapt their religion to accommodate scientific reality, just as Christianity is doing right now. Many now welcome LGBT parishioners with open hearts, open arms and open minds and offer ordination and full marriage to same sex couples.
Religion is a choice, not a strand of DNA that is born into people like homosexuality was born into me. Not all Muslim parents will have children who keep their religion at birth. How am I detrimental to you?
@TheLagunaSunrise So let's cut to the chase here. Your position is that even though I am a homosexual, whom you clearly detest without even having taken the trouble to get to know me, I should mate with a female I have absolutely no feeling for whatsoever, so as to make babies I do not want, to be raised in a world that cannot look after all of its present billions?
Do you even think about what you write before you hit "Post"?
@TheLagunaSunrise I don't know why you keep bringing up animals. You are making a 'reductio ad absurdum'.
Our reference to animals serves no purpose other than to refute the common, but erroneous claim that homosexuality is "not natural". Homosexuality is natural for me and has been all my life, and because it is observed in Nature, in over 1500 species, it is natural.
That doesn't mean I want to go and graze a field with cows or live in a chicken coop or be a racehorse.
All the comments on this video... Religion should not be a factor in whether or not someone is allowed to live their life without discrimination. A good person should be able to see the cruelty of discrimination and act against it without being obligated by the promise of heaven or fear of punishment from their deity. Not to mention that all this shit about Islam, Islam and Christianity are such similar religions, to hate Islam is like to hate Judaism. LGBTQ are not hurting anyone. Leave us be.
threesuits 2 weeks ago
When a country stands alone, takes no assistance from other countries of the world, expects nothing from other countries of the world; then that country may stand proud, independent and strong. Africa is not such a nation. Bite the helping hand and that hand may withdraw.
QueerPublicRadio 1 month ago
this is a corrupting human nature, God have created men and women to spread generation after generation...Allah( God) will not accept the bad things like this. already the nation of Lot made but when he spoke them to stop Allah sent to them angel gebriel to destroy complete in one second time....
MrDucaysane 1 month ago
@MrDucaysane I have yet to see proof that there is a God/Allah, but if there is a God and he is all powerful, and knows everything and created everything, then he knew in advance that he would create the 350-800 million gays alive in the world today (5-8% of 7 billion), most of whom have never even heard of him, so would never think anything bad about their homosexuality. Therefore God is OK with Gays.
It is counter-intuitive to create 350 million Gays for people just to hate.
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@MrDucaysane yes your believing in god is corrupting human nature
idaman12345 1 month ago
bankimoon talks the gay rights and sexual orientation discrimination in africa.... but i wana tell you mr ban africa doent need gay...transexy and soft men because they are black horses... they never go around these down things, if u are in believing Allah(God) and the history of prophet LOT and his people you couldnt talk like this. read the history of lot nation then judge your self. thanks
MrDucaysane 1 month ago
@MrDucaysane You are repeating things you have been taught, and you believe them unquestioningly, just as the people who taught you were taught by others who also believe them unquestioningly.
Did it never once occur to you that mistakes can and have been passed down from generation to generation, on just such a basis of not thinking for yourself?
Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time, and always will be. I am not and never have been sexually interested in females.
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
Thumbs up if you searched "gay"
Shadowarceus101 1 month ago
Stop gays in africa
vaysal59 1 month ago
Why are there 11 dislikes on this video?
teardropwaltz14 1 month ago
its good to see people who arent from the west standing up for gay rights. :)
brndnrckn 1 month ago
People of the world, let's unite! Money= moneyplay= moneypulation= manipulation. When we take money away and give wealth to all, we end that terrible money-play.
SHARIA= MURDER! And we have to treat it that way, now. It's our duty to protect dignity.
globalfirm 1 month ago 2
To all the homophobes and bigots commenting here, go to Yahoo News and type in this this phrase:
"Low IQ and Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice"
Read the resulting article.
BradNYC 1 month ago
lol all the idiotic statements against homosexuality here are unbelievable. All the ignorance is amazing. I'm thankful that in Sweden people are more accepting and tolerant of others. But hey, if Africa was so grand, why do most people want to move away from it?
JepJep92 1 month ago 12
@JepJep92 And Sweden will be a Muslim country soon. lol
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise sweden will be a muslim country? no. while the middle eastern population is growing in sweden. many of them are becoming atheists, as that is the norm in sweden.
decontaminate01 2 weeks ago
@decontaminate01 "many of them are becoming atheists"... of course though, you cannot provide any statistics from any credible sources to back up your statement. I wonder why... ;-)
TheLagunaSunrise 2 weeks ago
@TheLagunaSunrise well no i dont have any statistics, im just going by what i see in the media lol. there are a lot of middle eastern people that ive seen in swedish media, and theyve all been gay friendly and non religious. most blend in pretty well with swedish society. it is the small slum-like areas in sweden that are filled with muslim immigrants. and they are the one not integrating with swedish society.
decontaminate01 2 weeks ago
@decontaminate01 What you see in the media? LOL I rest my case.
TheLagunaSunrise 2 weeks ago
@JepJep92 Violence against HBT persons is on the rise in Sweden as well.
This is not a good development.
srboboron 22 hours ago
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very soon they will tell Africans to accept bestiality, BS
angelusp777 1 month ago
why dont you stick a dilldo up your ass and smile you sick fucks?
1212storm 1 month ago
@1212storm Your degeneracy is summed up by your own words.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
Thank you for standing up for human rights. Religion is spreading this hate - we will only have truly have human rights for all when humans end the need to cling to invisible people that dictate hate.
cheyla38 1 month ago 16
@cheyla38 very well said I agree!
katyronan 1 month ago
@cheyla38 It's time for people like you to respect the fact that many people, around the world, find homosexuality utterly despicable, and therefore have laws against it. You won't get what you wish for.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Using your logic, then it is ok that many people around the world are racist, and therefore have laws promoting discrimination.
Evergr3entree 1 month ago
@Evergr3entree That was NOT my logic. It is part of many cultures/religions around the world to view homosexuality as despicable behaviour (the devil's work, in many minds). Many cultures discriminate against outsiders. Do I care? Nope. Doesn't affect me in the slightest. Neither does African countries having laws against homosexuality affect you. Keep your nose out of other people's business.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Then if you were the one being discriminated against, you shouldn't care or fight it, you should deal with it. Many countries have modernized since those prejudiced views. Unfortunately, much of Africa is still primitive, one of the reasons why it's a shit hole.
Evergr3entree 1 month ago
@Evergr3entree Africa is not a shithole because of its rejection of gay rights. Africa would be an even BIGGER shithole if it legalized homosexuality. There's nothing "primitive" about opposing homosexuality.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise I'm not saying Africa is a shithole, solely because it rejects gay rights. Africa is primitive for many reasons, which is why it is underdeveloped.
Evergr3entree 1 month ago
@Evergr3entree You attempted to connect Africa being a shithole to the fact it rejects gay-rights. Africa being a shithole has NOTHING to do with its rejection of gay-rights. Rejecting gay-rights has NOTHING to do with being "primitive".
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Rejecting gay rights is part of an old, ignorant, and prejudiced mind set. But, it's all good, because as the world evolves and people become more intelligent, homophobia and other types of discrimination will begin to phase out. Peace!
Evergr3entree 1 month ago 4
@Evergr3entree Utter nonsense. What has rejecting homosexuality got to do with being "ignorant"? Ignorance is having a lack of knowledge. How is rejecting homosexuality displaying a 'lack of knowledge'? Homosexuality is purely about sexual degeneracy. Rejecting it is common sense. Sorry, but you won't get your 'worldwide gay-rights' dream. Not gonna happen! Peace.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. It harms no one, and it is present in all species. The reason that homophobia exists, is mainly because of religion. What religion does is enslave humanity. Many have come to realize this, which is why atheism is on the rise. If you look at the most wealthy nations, a large % of the population is Atheist. (You can make yourself feel better by believing in a God, but it doesn't make you well.) Your primitive mentality will die out.
Evergr3entree 1 month ago
@Evergr3entree Attempting to justify homosexuality because animals do it too? Great argument. LOL
Religion has nothing to do with enslaving humanity. Atheists are the most miserable people I have ever come across. Religious people are FAR happier than atheists. They're not enslaved at all. Homosexuals are enslaved by their sexual perversions. Atheism is not on the rise. In Europe, Islam is growing rapidly, for example.
When did I say I believe in 'god'? Don't put words in my mouth.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise I'm just saying that homosexuality is natural and that it harms none. Islam is mainly on the rise because of births. Atheism is on the rise because people choose to be Atheists after they realize religion is full of lies and bigotry. Left wing Europeans love Muslims more than their own people, that's why their allowing Europe to become Islamic.
Evergr3entree 1 month ago
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@Evergr3entree And cannibalism is natural too. You know many species practice cannibalism? By your logic, cannibalism is fine. Homosexuality harms the family. Homosexuals have a general hatred of anything heterosexual & moral.
Yes, Islam is on the rise because of births. So what? It's still growing, and in a few decades time, will be the dominant religion in France, Belgium, Britain, Sweden, Netherlands, and other European countries.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise It's still not just that homosexuals are being killed or imprisoned in many African and Middle Eastern countries just for being homosexual.
Evergr3entree 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise For fucks sake you can't compare cannibalism to being attracted to a particular gender, there completely different things... And actually going by science and logic... (something someone like you fails to understand) is in fact across the bulk of Europe and western cultures that fastest growing "religious" movement is ironically atheism... 60% of Germany don't abide by any religion, and it's only increasing as the years go by... so yeah, that's really gonna happen (rolls eyes)
designkid5555 1 month ago
@designkid5555 The person I was arguing with said homosexual is natural because animals do it too. Animals also eat their own shit & cannibalize each other.
You really don't seem to understand it - Islam is growing rapidly across Europe because of immigration & birthrates. Muslim families tend to have around 3 - 5 children, whilst European families have around 1 - 2 children. This is how Islam is growing, dummy. You can twist it any way you like, it changes nothing.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise There's a difference between eating someone of the same species, and being attracted to a human being of the same gender, dumb-ass. And no... most science points to the basis of the worlds populace being at least 45% atheist by 2050... look it up. Science and human evolution is only going to belittle religion as the years go by, and there's a difference between Church and State, the UK is not an Islamic country, so even if you accounted for 90% of the populace the law.....
designkid5555 1 month ago
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designkid5555 1 month ago
@designkid5555 But it's all natural, according to homosexuals, because animals do it too. 45% of the world's population atheist by 2050? LOL! BULLSHIT. Complete & utter BULLSHIT. By 2050, Muslims will be on their way to becoming the majority in UK. Once they are the majority, they can vote in whoever they like, and the laws can be changed. They can simply call it 'democracy'. Science & human evolution, as you call it, cannot stop Muslims from being religious & outbreeding you. You are dismissed.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise The view that religious belief will give way to atheism is known as the secularization thesis. The specific version that I have described is known as the existential security hypothesis. The basic idea is that as people become more affluent, they are less worried about lacking for basic necessities, or dying early from violence or disease. In other words they are secure in their own existence. This is all theory, but it makes since, Atheism has been on the rise for years
designkid5555 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Firstly the UK upholds a 2% populace for Islamic communities, meaning you are a MINORITY, there are more gay people in the UK, right now than Islamic people, And if Islamic beliefs, cause the UK to account for an Islamic proportion then actions and steps would be taken to stop it, we have the right to protect our heritage for what it is, and if they became a majority SERVE steps would have to be taken... which is why your cute little theory will NEVER happen...
designkid5555 1 month ago
@designkid5555 Muslims make up 5% of the UK population. In 10 years time (or less), that will rise to 10%, due to immigration and births. The Muslim population in Britain (and many other European countries is ONLY growing, not decreasing e.g. France, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Germany). In 20 years time, it will be about 20% of the British population, and so on and so forth. There is nothing you can do to stop Muslims from becoming the majority. They are outbreeding you, and that's a fact.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Thank you for creating more gay Muslims.
QueerPublicRadio 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Atheism is the fastest spreading "religious" movement across the globe at this moment, not islamic beliefs. Muslims make up for 2.8% of the population and the gay community make up for 4%, for Islamic people to become a majority it would take them CENTURIES, you my friend a just some sad, bigoted, closeted homophobe who's just determined to see the world ridden of all Caucasian people, and polluted with you're backwards thinking. You sir are a lunatic. Goodbye.
designkid5555 1 month ago
@designkid5555 Wrong. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, due to births. Islam is also the fastest growing religion in Europe, due to births & immigration. That's a fact. You can attempt to twist it any way you wish, but it changes nothing. In 2010 Muslims made up 5% of the British population. In 10 years time, that figure will have doubled. In another 20 years, it will have doubled again. Muslims have 3 - 5 children, Europeans have 1 - 2. Centuries? Nope, defo not centuries. lol
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise You're insane.... end of discussion.
designkid5555 1 month ago
@designkid5555 I'm insane because I'm stating facts? Yeah, okay, if that makes you feel better... I'm insane. ;-)
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Glad we can agree on something...
designkid5555 1 month ago
@designkid5555 I'm a fan of sarcasm... it seems you don't understand. :-)
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise No, I understood perfectly, I was ALSO being sarca... urgh, I can't even.... this is why I hate religion.... because it spawns ignorant, homophobic bigoted morons, who can't seem to integrate their minds with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them. AKA.... people like you....
designkid5555 1 month ago
@designkid5555 And you prove my point perfectly... you don't understand sarcasm. I love how you tried to put my last comment down to religion though. lol
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise 2 A grade GCSE's in English Lit/Lang, Honey I know what sarcasm is. t's when someone says something and basically means the opposite. In a rather pathetic attempt to be marginally humorous. I was feeding your sarcastic comment, by ALSO being sarcastic. And hasn't our entire argument been about religion anyways.... oh no now we're talking about sarcasm... (facepalm)
designkid5555 1 month ago
@designkid5555 I have been doing nothing but 'facepalming' at your stupidity this entire time.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise ... And origin of that Countries moral values wouldn't change...
designkid5555 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise How do you know "Homosexuality harms the family" and "homosexuals have a general hatred of anything heterosexual"? How many homosexuals do you actually know? Proof please.
I am homosexual, most of my friends by far are heterosexual, so is the rest of my family. I love them more than anything else in this world.
I'd like to know where you get your information from, because it doesn't match any reality I know of.
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic Homosexuals can't have families. Do you know why homosexuality has been promoted so aggressively since the 60's (aka the 'sexual revolution')? Because it was purely about breaking down the family, and therefore breaking down society, and making Western countries weaker. Add to that aggressive feminism which told women they will be 'free' if they leave their children (or not have children), and join the workplace. It was also so the other half of the population could be taxed.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Wrong. Homosexuals can and do have families.
w w w . childwelfare . gov/pubs/f_gay/f_gay.cfm (delete spaces) shows that as long ago as 2000, up to 14 million children in the US alone, who were abandoned by their biological heterosexual parents are being raised by gay or lesbian adoptive parents.
However homosexuals can and do have biological offspring either from failed marriage or by arrangement with a non-parental, fertile donor, much as for heterosexuals.
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic You know what I'm talking about. Homosexuals do not reproduce and that is PURELY what I'm talking about here - REPRODUCTION. Muslims have on average 3 - 5 children, whilst Europeans have 1 - 2. It is inevitable that Muslims will become the majority in many European countries.
If you think Islam will change because that's what Christianity did, then you are out of your mind. You know NOTHING about Islam, or the Muslim world. You DON'T know what you're talking about.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Muslims can leave their religion if they want to, but homosexuals will always be a fixed percentage of the human genus. 5-10% of Muslims are homosexual, just as 5-10% of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and Atheists are homosexual. Homosexuality is a human trait, not a religious choice.
Terrorising homosexuals will make us very miserable and unproductive, but it won't change our inborn sexual orientation. FWIW I had a Muslim boyfriend for a few years.
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic "Muslims can leave their religion if they want to" - with that one single statement, you prove how ignorant you are. I knew you were, but you sum it up with such a statement.
Yeah, you had a Muslim boyfriend... that really refutes my argument. lol
YOUR claim that Islam WILL change is erroneous. Islam has had 1400 years to change. It hasn't. There's no indication it's going to start now. It is simply wishful thinking on your part.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise You didn't answer my question. The founder of Islam, the prophet Muhammad had 11 wives.
Do you, and does modern Islam still support polygamy?
One of Muhammad's wives was a child age only 9 when he had sex with her as her husband.
Do you, and does modern Islam still support pedophilia?
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic It's irrelevant what I think. The fact you're focusing on this now proves you have no reply to what we were originally talking about. You clearly know nothing about Islam or the Muslim world. The fact you call it "modern Islam" proves how ignorant you are. There is no such thing as "modern Islam". There is only one Islam - Islam. No "modern Islam", no 'liberal Islam', no 'fundamentalist Islam'... only ISLAM.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
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DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic Your question is irrelevant to what we were talking about. You seem to be under the notion that Islam is going to change. Islam has stayed the same for 1400 years. The Quran has not been changed once. What makes you think it's going to change now? It is merely wishful thinking on your part.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
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@TheLagunaSunrise You are trying to avoid the question.
The prophet Muhammad had 11 wives, one of which was a 9 year old child.
Does Islam condone the practice of polygamy?
Does Islam condone the practice of pedophilia?
What does Islam say about polygamy and pedophilia?
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Your claim that Islam will never change is also erroneous. The prophet Mohammed had 11 wives, one of whom was a 9 year old girl, Aisha. She was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine when the marriage was consummated in Medina:
en . wikipedia . org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_wives
In the West,polygamy is illegal and pedophilia a detested crime. Do you, and does Islam still support these acts?
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise You obviously haven't spoken to any homosexuals. None I know are 'enslaved', we just get on with our lives. I don't need to "justify" my homosexuality, any more than left handed people need to justify their left handedness.
The animals analogy is simply to refute the claim that homosexuality is "not natural". All this shows is that it is natural, because it occurs throughout nature.
A free people will never accept Shariah law with its barbaric punishments.
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic Animals do many things that most of us humans know better not to do, because it is detrimental to our health. Homosexuality is one of them.
Muslims are taking over Europe by outbreeding you. You don't want to have many children anymore (in your case, you can't). Muslims have on average 3 - 5 children. Europeans have 1 - 2. It is a mathematical certainty that in a few decades time, Muslims will be fast on their way to becoming the majority in many European countries.
TheLagunaSunrise 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise Muslims will slowly adapt their religion to accommodate scientific reality, just as Christianity is doing right now. Many now welcome LGBT parishioners with open hearts, open arms and open minds and offer ordination and full marriage to same sex couples.
Religion is a choice, not a strand of DNA that is born into people like homosexuality was born into me. Not all Muslim parents will have children who keep their religion at birth. How am I detrimental to you?
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise So let's cut to the chase here. Your position is that even though I am a homosexual, whom you clearly detest without even having taken the trouble to get to know me, I should mate with a female I have absolutely no feeling for whatsoever, so as to make babies I do not want, to be raised in a world that cannot look after all of its present billions?
Do you even think about what you write before you hit "Post"?
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise I don't know why you keep bringing up animals. You are making a 'reductio ad absurdum'.
Our reference to animals serves no purpose other than to refute the common, but erroneous claim that homosexuality is "not natural". Homosexuality is natural for me and has been all my life, and because it is observed in Nature, in over 1500 species, it is natural.
That doesn't mean I want to go and graze a field with cows or live in a chicken coop or be a racehorse.
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
@TheLagunaSunrise youre right, to call opposing homosexuality "primitive" would insult things that are "primitive"
idaman12345 1 month ago