@mrDOMINICO1 It's not to see who would win if being jumped its showing a display of skill and kobudo wouldnt help you either with 2 or 3 guys jumping you at the same time this isnt a movie its real life.
@mrDOMINICO1 i dont think any martial art is gonna help you when your getting jumped your pretty much fucked and its not like the movies where they go one by one attacking you they attack at the same time so i say its good to know how to run fast or know how to fire a gun
@puzzypirate Several martial arts, such as Ninjutsu and Aikido, teach fighting against a group, but I agree it is still smart to either run or just pull out a gun.
@anthonyrivero415 no I mean the back mount, then the opponent wouldn't be able to see what's happening and the wrestler could just beat hiom in the head. In wrestling you're taught to circle around to the back anyways.
@mrDOMINICO1 Does your kobudo training have live sparring or is it all kata based? C'mon dude you know if you were in a 3 on 1, you would take off. I don't think you are that dumb as to fight 3 guys. Also, in this day and age you don't want to kill or disable anybody. Why? because you'll either go to prison or pay their medical bills the rest of their life. This isn't a feudal japan dude. Stop watching the last samurai and 13 assassins.
The first submission he puts the wrestler in is that a gogoplata it looks like it but it could also be a triangle but i couldnt tell from the view. Did any c it
Wow you guys really love arguing about martial arts, I hope you're actually training in one the styles you know so much about. Anyway I just joined a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu gym today, not for self defence but I'm sure its very effective for unarmed one-on-one combat. Wanna know what works best in a fight with multiple attackers? An automatic weapon, lots of bullets, and a steady hand..... Seriously I'm not kidding
@aijaman The problem is most people don't walk around with automatic weapons and lots of bullets in western countries. At least not in Great Britain, most US states and Australia. Also a lot of bad stuff happens to people when they least expect it, and this is why it's so truly important to know the difference and understand the difference between the training you do for 1-on-1 sparring, and the training you do for life/death sudden attacks. It'll literally save your life :)
u take a wrestler and then teach him jui jitsu and u get matt hughes,, thats y he beat royce matt had the strength and power from wrestling and the knowledge of jj to take advantage against royce, not to say royce is not a great fighter to say other wise would be foolish. and thats y the evolution of mma began because of guys like royce and the gracie family ahhaha
Those fights were still staged. And they dont use any submission moves that would work in a MMA match. Full nelson, chicken wing, boston crab. That just doesnt happen.
I don't think most of us realize how psychologically conditioned we are--we are trapped in a unique type of fear that is not present anywhere else in nature! And this fear is reinforced by our thoughts, actions, reactions, opinions, beliefs... This whole self-defense mentality--not just amongst individuals but also among nations--is based on this fear. Consequently, I think we are unaware of the tremendous capacity of a fearless/super intelligent human's ability to nullify any situation!
@elbikino1 This is why, though, martial arts is more important now than ever, because we're fighting a psychological war with an invisible enemy. We've got dodgy governments, banks running laws, ethics existing in limbo, depression through the roof as well as suicide... with true MA training we can create strong mental discipline and a natural state of ethics. It's scientific "fact" that weak genetics creates natural fear and oppressive Alpha Males...
I'm still not sure of the martial relevance of Gracie Jiu Jitsu. It's a high skill to win organised bouts/sparring, but there doesn't seem to be any real-life relevance. What weapons does it use? How does it go against multiple opponents who are armed? The street is often messy with broken glass, cars, urine, diseases etc so would it be fair to say going to ground could result in injury of the practitioner? How does it do about creating a better society?
@notdrockok How does it better society! Well it created a forum for barefooted, tattooed up, baseball cap wearing rednecks to make shit loads of money with mediocre MA skills. LOL! Now ppl have an in ur face attitude and success is only defined as kicking someone's ass.
@osensei2987 Exactly! It amazes me that once upon a time martial arts were used for saving people lives, usually poor farmers and villagers, from ruthless bast*ards with swords and spears... and had the side effect of creating a more disceplined society. Now? Yuch, lets make the rednecks dumber, louder and more violent why not!
@notdrockok I think BJJ and other martial arts for that sake do help society because it just creates such friendly and humble people, the guys at my gym are like this and for me its all about abolishing ego. I went into my gym the first day a little cocky not going to lie :P And then i rolled with guys half my size and was literally played around with (didnt go 20 seconds without being submitted) And it was brilliant... I walked out feeling happy! Everyone should practice martial art
@rivalpaws21 choreographed if your dumb ass cant fit the same basic movements into real life situations bro... just cuz you arent capable of basic thought doesnt mean everyone else is
@rivalpaws21 umm hey dumb fuck you do know bruce lee is the creator of jkd or way of the intercepting fist and many believe it to be the very first mma and btw krav is one of the most brutal fighting styles there are just cuz you dont see them in lots of fights its cuz they cant use what it teaches (nut shots,neck punchs,eye gouging ya its not usefull at all in street go against anyone trained in it you'll kiss there ass to get em of you and also the teach defense against guns knives ect..)
@rivalpaws obviously your a keyboard warrior since you dont know shit about jeetkuundoo ahah fucking do your research bro i mean your only sitting behind a fucking computer hahah oh and one more thing think with both halfs of your brain before you reply and try to talk shit btw every martial art is in jkd this includes boxing bjj even fencing is in that, krav maga is also made for street fighting so go look some shit up now.... before you sart ranting about whats better then what
@codydorman420 Traditional Japanese Jiu Jutsu predates JKD by 100's if not thousands of years. Traditional JJ (not to be confused with BJJ) includes all ranges of combat. It has kicking, striking, locking, throwing, ground fighting and submissions. It originated from a school of Samurai arts from the middle ages called the Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu. That's just the Japanese art. Who knows what else is out there from other cultures that predates modern MMA?
@osensei2987 i know and i never said that jkd is or was the first mma and also i already knew that the japanese jj came befor bjj because the simple fact that someone put there own spin on it... also the samurai used throw moves and slams to break opponents limbs and or kill because there armor was to thick to be cut with a blade... yea i know but interesting name/knowledge none the least btw lots of people think bjj is the only jiu jutsu and dont even know thats just one of the many types
@rivalpaws21 you aren't helping your argument. if you don't know what JKD is (or who invented it) or what Krav Maga is than you have nothing to argue with. Boxing IS a traditional martial art that has roots from ancient Rome and the Olympics... Krav Maga and JKD are as far away from being traditional as any other 'style'.
@rivalpaws21 i love BJJ and i believe it is one of superior ones... but only in a one on one fight. what about those three or four on one fights? you can't say they don't happen... in any martial arts you have got to pr the what if scenario. you kidding about kaga right? i'd say that about aikido maybe, but jeet kun do and krav maga are the top most effective and adaptable, right next to BJJ.
I agree with you...looking at the big picture, I meant that even though we are trained....the situation we get into, opponent's size, his strength, fighting ability, or if he's not trained at all, the ground conditions, location...will of course dictate what we will do...just to keep an open mind...and when it's for real with adrenaline is flying...like you, i don't want to wasting any time...i want to inflict pain asap...and get out safely!
in a real fight situation no one in their right mind will go to the ground and heel hook...you want to end the fight early and strike to the face and balls...BJJ is a martial art...successful mostly in tournament competition because of rules or up against opponents who can't fight...in the street their no rules
@livfreediempty you seem to forget that BJJ was developed in no rules fights. Your assumptions about fighting show you haven't done much of it. Vale Tudo originates in Brazil BTW.
@livfreediempty why not? if its what a person trains to do then its instinctive for them to do it. ive done mma and only twice since have i had any altercations but a few years ago i put a guy on his back and put him in a kimura and that ended it without it even really being a fight, i didnt dislocate his shoulder but i could have. he quit and thats all i was looking for so i let him go and we went out seperat ways. i lost a jiu jittsu match to a heel hook, they hurt like hell
ALL Martial Arts are a sport. Everyone that is defending or arguing the case of Gracie Jiu Jitsu doesn't understand that concept. The thing that is special about Gracie Jiu Jitsu is that they emphasize on what is useful for someone who is A: smaller/frail and B: not strong, in a street fight. NO Martial art is guaranteed useful against multiple attackers or attackers with weapons. Gracie Jiu Jitsu is a DEFENSIVE art. It relies on the idea that your attacker is being aggressive, one attacker.
@BuddyDale Bullshit! You just mindlessly spout out Gracie talking points? It's not a matter of being effective against multiple attack! The real issue is that stand up styles afford u more mobility with which u can escape a multiple attack. Whereas GJJ makes u totally vulnerable by limiting your mobility and your ability to escape a multiple attack.
@osensei2987 If you are in a serious situation where you face multiple attackers your best ability is to be able to run away and not get caught. Playing football is better practice for this than martial arts in my opinion.
Jujitsu is greatest for dealing with a belligerent unarmed individual with a minimum risk for injury. It is beautiful because you can subdue someone without even hurting them....though it is always an option to do so.
@undeadpresident Yeah, right! Get the man on the ground and then suddenly, "Oh SNAP! He had three buddies who were spectators in crowd!". U can't always predict when a mass attack will happen. People can even hide out of sight. Just when u think ur attacker is alone and u go to the ground. Thugs can appear out of nowhere depending on the situation. Ground fighting is just one tool out of many available tools. It is foolish to think of using it in every situation.
he just tried to diss wrestling.... fuck that guy... in a street fight he would have got punched upside the head. plus that guy was way out of shape. oh well i dont have to worry. wrestling is ruling mma now.
@vespaman101 No it isn't. It is true that the judges have "wrestling on the brain" and think a takedown is meaningful even if it doesn't lead to anything (which it isn't), but wrestlers aren't finishing anybody with wrestling. Most are won with strikes while standing.
@LordShandor tons of wrestlers are battering their opponents into submission using ground and pound. And they have the superior control they could only get from being a wrestler that allows this. in a street fight that wreslter would have thrown punches making those submissions much harder. And a takedown is meaningful. It shows you putting yourself into superior position to pulverize your opponent and thats you dictating the fight. Jiu jitsu is okay but they have no ground control.
@vespaman101 GnP isn't wrestling now is it?Most guys who do takedowns do nothing with it, therefore it is not meaningful. Plus the rules favor wrestlers.
@LordShandor ground and pound is a tool used by wrestlers and much better then jiu jitsu guys use it. Takedowns are definitely meaningful if it gets you in dominant positions and causes the guy on bottom to ware himself out. And most guys who get takedowns do use them properly. It wares the other fighter down and you use gnp to soften him up or knock him out. But Wrestling comes from a martial art full of submissions and even strikes but all those were taken out for scholastic wrestling.
@vespaman101 1 they didn't learn submissions at all when they learned to wrestle. 2 Having a dominant position is meaningless if you can't use it to finish. Dry humping someone for 25 minutes isn't winning or fighting, it is avoiding having to fight.
@LordShandor punching a guy upside the head until he is finished is though. or until a guy is to exhuasted to fight back or submit you is. Which is often the case when grappling against a wrestler. And like is aid before Wreslting actually used to have a ton of submissions but it was softened up. However Jiu jitsu is in no way superior especially not to greco roman style and freestyle wreslting. Getting taken down and slammed like that on the street can easily lead to a knockout.
@vespaman101 Punching is not wrestling. 2 are we talking MMA or street fighting? Make up your mind. 3 doesnt matter that wrestling had submissions, it doesnt now and now all the subs come from BJJ that wrestlers use. 4 John Fitch and every loser like him. BJJ is a different animal than Greco, cover different areas. Greco is closer to Judo than Bjj. 5 Could lead to a knockout, rarely does though.
@LordShandor rarely leads to a knockout in mma... often leads to a knockout in astreet fight or someone with a messed up back. I've been in a few street fights myself. not a ton im no street fightinge extraordinaire i dont want you to think im makin gthat claim. but a good slam on the street usually stops a guy. often in wrestling even that does on a mat. but being slammed like that on concrete or asphalt even once and your probably done.
@vespaman101 risky assumption to make. Do you train for "I will just slam the guy and it will be over" or do you train for the guy it has no effect on? Secret ninja school karate studio always claim nonsense like the former, "my techniques are so deadly he will never get close" and the rest.
@LordShandor You know what...i almost dont have time for a guy who is obviously biased against wrestling and knows jiu jitsu cant compete and wants to find a niche jiujitsu wins in. Truth is in grappling it is about control and if wrestler have control too bad. Most wrestling pinning combinations are also valid submissions if used correct and i always wrestled to put my opponents in pain. Just so you know though. I tapped a Jiu Jitsu practitioner last week with a wrestling move. Suck Deez
@LordShandor this guy had been doing bjj longer then i ever wrestled. i wreslted 2 years out of my life. And you will only catch a wrestler if he doesnt know about submissions but the moment you learn what a submission is you just stop letting the jiu jitsu fighter "work" and you ware him out. 9 times out of 10 is a huge overstatement and you really shouldnt say stupid stuff like that. And all subs do not come from bjj. arm bars were in ancient greek wrestling before even Jap jujutsu existed.
@vespaman101 1 irrelevant how long Gracie has been doing it, that wasn't what I said. 2 Todays wrestlers learn subs from bjj, the past is not relevant here. 3 subs dont work because the guy doesnt know any better (that's like claiming punches only work on people who don't know boxing) ADCC is always won by BJJ and never by wrestlers.
@LordShandor thats because most wrestlers dont compete in ADCC. Most wreslters never even heard of ADCC. We aren't in there full force but bjj users are. Its thier big thing. Not ours. We function through school, college, and olympics. Not through ADCC. So that's an unfair assessment. And recently through MMA. And this guy was better at jiu jitsu then i was at wrestling but i still won. Im telling you man jiu jitsu is not any better. most wreslting moves can easily be made into submissions.
@LordShandor HAHA! Go watch fake black and white wrestling videos from the 1950's. Those fake wrestlers had more submission moves than modern MMA wrestlers! ROFLMAO!
I understand gracies want people to flock to their gyms and learn the art (more money in their pockets), that’s fine…but that doesn’t make them king shit…like they always make themselves out to be. If you wanna go out & learn bjj, that’s great…but if you assume that by knowing grappling and ground fighting alone will be sufficient enough defend yourself in the streets...one day you’ll get a rude shock.
I would respect the gracies a little bit more if they had acknowledged that to be a complete martial artist you would need the know both stand up fighting as well as grappling. But these vids from them are all saying “BJJ is designed for street fighting, self defense” and all the other fighting styles are useless etc etc… Such BS man!!!
@VirtuousRebel for the stand up part yes thats tru but also the teach some judo stuff which is great to drop people with........trust me im not a gracie fan at all i prefer 10th planet jiu jitsu but the gracies are good for just incase some does try to drop you and fight you on the ground
But on the streets…running at someone’s waist as a first response is idiotic at best. Once you tasted the pavement…you’ll know what I mean. Yes you should learn how to grapple…but you need to know how to punch, kick and block as well.
@VirtuousRebel rickson gracie knows the limitations of wrestlers especially in the ring, he uses that knowledge to his advantage. from the manner in which a person attacks one can get a basic idea of what kind of fighting style they have and plan an effective counter strategy. the beauty of bjj is that it focuses on control.
Point taken. I don’t mean to discredit any particular fighting method here, but what you mentioned is easier said than done. A street fight can be unpredictable, volatile and dangerous. All I’m saying is going down to the ground as a first resort is probably not a good idea. A BJJ person can only “control” his opponent if they’re on the ground. If you can’t get them on the ground then you’re in trouble. Hence you need to know how to stand up and fight as well.
I would never want to grapple in a street fight. Who knows if this person has friends that will kick you in the head while you are on the ground, or a knife. In reality you basically need: 1) to be a good punched; 2) maybe good kicker; 3) be able to perform some basic judo throws; 4) preferably be without a person you need to protect (gf, etc.); 5) be a good runner.
if you watch the greatest MMA fighter in the cage just see how they drop to the floor as soon as a finger pokes them in the eye or they get hit in the groin, when Tyson bit Holyfields ear he fell apart and was unable to do any thing.
now imaging that happening to a untrained scum bag that is on top of you in the street they try to wrestle as that is instinct but you shove your Thumb in thier eye pushing there head back as you bite in to there shoulder and your other hand grabs & rips at his ear
@westalljamie and if the aggressor is high on drugs and none of the above work? You just made an angry person angrier and he will return the same thing back to you
a great artist and BBJ is a great martial art but it is not for street fighting as they say it is on this video.... i don't care how great you are at BBJ because if you had some one all tangled up like that (for the right or wrong reasons) on the floor all they need is one friend to stamp or kick you in the head and there you have and this is because you falsely believe that these un-realistic martial arts will work.
I am a Professional Urban street fighting instructor i know what I am on about
@JujuiLuv Show a little respect, it is old footage and people didnt used to have fucking HD cell phones, this was probably recorded on something substantially larger and heavier than a VCR. What's a vcr? Fuckin kids.
@Sevv9220 lol you are an idiot, jiujitsu is actually good against any striker even if it's on the streets. Of course you will not use it when there are 4 of his buddies around him that's where your striking comes in or better yet walk away :D
The narrator is incorrect. Do we have official statistics that show how many street fights ends up on the ground or are we making assumptions here? And if we're making assumptions about street fighting then the only ones that should be made are that your opponent has a weapon and has friends, therefore the ground is the last place you want to be. BJJ is a great martial art but it is not street fighting no matter what people say.
@Usag1Yoj1mbo i completely agree. people act as though when theres a fight, you will end up rolling around outside on the concrete. IVE never seen that happen nor have i heard of it happening.
@MrOverSuper . It is all about marketing rather than facts and the Gracies are very successful at it. BJJ is still a great martial art but it has it's limitations like all styles do. I think more and more people will start understanding what we mean when they look more closely at reality.
@Usag1Yoj1mbo lol, that's why you walk away from any of the knife situations even with any other martial arts, you would take down the opponent and control him in the grown until he is tired and throw in some punches obviously. You just don't take them down and submit them you tire them down first
@6psycho9. Read my post mate. The only thing you ASSUME in a fight is that your opponent has a weapon and has friends. Just because you can't see a knife, or other weapon, and just because you can't immediately see his friends doesn't mean they are not there. I've drilled grappling with someone who has pulled a knife out and gutted me with it....never saw it coming and try grappling 2 or more people....good luck.
I use force in my job almost daily and I too know what I am talking about.
I totally agree with you. Going to the ground on the streets is the last place you wanna be (head stomp etc). I find it amusing having saw all the similar vids (with the same narrator & accent) stating that this martial arts is designed for “street fighting & self defense”. Well…in a ring with rules…maybe.
@Usag1Yoj1mbo i hear you man but some locks used in bjj can be used standing up. and besides i would rather run if faced with more than two opponents. either that or get a really big stick/bat. and if they have guns like heck i'm sticking around as long as my legs are working :P
@munkyraju . Running should always be your first option if faced with a weapon or multiple attackers but if you can't see them, you have no choice but to fight and you choose the ground then you will be in for a big surprise if you suddenly get knifed or your opponents mates turn up.
You can learn the same standing locks from many other MA styles. BJJ doesn't exclusively own them but I get your point.
@Usag1Yoj1mbo it not try being jump by people and your on the ground cover your face and go for a heel hook and break their knees once 1 knee is broken others will back off bc no1 wants a broken knee
@iTeamNinja . Have you been actually been in a fight mate? Try heel hooking someone when their smashing your face in and friends don't always back off just cause you've taken one out of the fight.
@jball1123 . Where are these stats? By whom? It's all good to spout these things if they are true but I need proof.
Watch the fights on Youtube, not many go to the ground, certainly not 90% of them.
Police take people to the ground to handcuff them. It may be a small struggle but in those situations techniques from JJJ/Hapkido/Aikido/Sambo/Wrestling are just as useful. It is not like your average cop pulls guard on an offender and holds him until he gets a lock on!
Excuse me, but you said “there are actually police statistics that show that over 90% of street fights go to the ground…” I find that a bit hard to believe. How can police go around and compile these stats? Do they have extra resources and so much time on their hands that they would actually carry these researches??? Sorry maybe I’m a bit ignorant, but can you tell me which police dept (country) has those stats?
@LordShandor ive seen more fights than i can count and almost all of them have ended up on the ground or atleast with them standing hugging each other and that will always favor the guy with ground fighting experience.
@LordShandor because a grappler always starts his grappling from the clinch so the better grappler will have the advantage starting from that point. in this case the wrestler is also a grappler but wrestling dont emphasize on submissions such as an art like jiu jitsu because jiu jitsu is a submission based art and wrestling emphasises on control and putting the other guys shoulders to the mat which wouldnt end a real fight. both are good arts though and for different reasons.
@LordShandor your right, wrestling is effective but in itself its pretty lack luster as far as finishes are concerned. many wrestlers finish fights by using ground and pound but striking on the ground isnt part of wrestling, striking is striking and the wrestlers just used wrestling to get the other guy in position to use strikes. in other words wrestlers use other arts to finish fights, sure matt houghs used a few chokes and arm locks to win matches but that was jiu jitsu he used
@Usag1Yoj1mbo jiu jitsu works very well in a street fight, but only as long as its 1 on 1, if you're getting jumped my multiple people, the last place you want to be is on the ground.
@Usag1Yoj1mbo anything fighting related is streetfighting if its on the street, its only not streetfighiting if its in a sport related scenario. jiu jitsu is great for street defence and a choke hold or a joint lock would work on anyone anywhere if you put them in it, an arm is an arm and a neck is a neck if its in a competition or the street.
@dirtyjew1974 . Choke holds are great, I've used them for real in real confrontations but BJJ doesn't own the techniques, I learnt chokes via Hapkido and they are all the same anyway. I didn't really understand your first sentence mate. Fighting is more than just techniques that the MA's teach. You have to understand the behavioural, pschological, emotional and legal sides to real world violence rather than just the physical side.
@Usag1Yoj1mbo if you do take the average street fight to the ground you will get attacked by the buddies of the guy you're about to choke out... its superb with a one on one street fight i believe. but the average street fight isn't just one on one. i believe JKD and Krav Maga does a better job at training you for the average street fight and beyond.
@modblogger1 i will say it used to be.. because bjj gotten so big in popularity.. the whole bjj evolved in to a much higher level...plus he trains with so many bjj fighters and alot of bjj submissions have been translated to catch wrestling and vice verse,,you can hardly call sakuraba a catch wrestler
American wrestling is the best! If this was wrestling Tom easily won by pin, if it was an actual fight Tom would bash his brains in. Second guy is a bum no way is he a wrestler.
@duo24100 I'm sure Ken Shamrock thought wrestling was the best too until he lost to Royce twice, even though he had a huge size difference on his side.
@reptile202 shamrock wasnt a 'wrestler' he was a shootwrestler completely different thin. those guys were wrestlers with no concept of submissions where as shootwrestling is heavily focused on submission... needless to say he still got beat.
@gdj89mma I guess you're correct. I'm just pointing out to guys that are saying: "if this was a no rules fight, Rickson would've been owned" that Shamrock was an actual fighter and wrestler, yet he lost twice to Royce. And we're taking about Rickson here; a lot of people consider him better than Royce.
I'm a fan of BJJ, but the description is inaccurate. The second guy clearly isn't a wrestler, or definitely a horrible one. And Hagle basically rolled with him in a BJJ match, so yeah of course he lost. If you put a timer and go by points Hagle has a fair setting, since he doesn't really have submissions to finish. Submissions being illegal in wrestling
@TheCyndicate Yeah i'm getting called dumbass by a herb that has zero grasp of basic grammar. BJJ is not real life situation since there's no punching, headbutting or form of striking. They were just rolling, stick to what you know
@TheCyndicate Neither does collapsing to your back like a bitch and pulling guard as Rickson did. If this were on the street, the wrestler would break Gracie's neck by hip tossing him into the pavement and follow it up with some punch or a soccer kick to the face. Ironic ain't it?
@bjjalltheway1 I very seriously doubt that someone would just pull off a hip toss on a Gracie in a "real life situation," as you so eloquently put it. I'm assuming you don't really know what you're talking about since you're just a keyboard warrior on Youtube, and are talking shit about one of the greatest ground fighters to ever walk the earth. Good job.
@somekindofmonster7 Ain't talkin shit to the Gracies, hell, I'm a purple belt in their system and respect them as fighters, but they have created an illusion to the many idiots around the world, yourself included, that BJJ is the be all, end all of fighting, which it isn't. Sorry to break it to ya, but I was a SQ back in high school, and from the 3 fights I've been in my life I've learned that wrestling will help out more than BJJ in a real no-holds barred fight. Thanks for your concern tho ;)
@bjjalltheway1 Haha yeaaaaa, I didn't say that BJJ was the end-all be-all. Nice assumption though. Those three playground fights you've been in must have really taught you a lot hahaha.
@somekindofmonster7 Haha good one bro! Actually, now that I think about it, ya, I guess I was also in a few scraps back on the grammar school playground as well, all the while you were busy eating dog shit lol
@bjjalltheway1 That...doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Your name is bjjalltheway, but you're talking shit about BJJ for some reason. But seriously, nobody cares. Really...nobody...at all...cares. Bye now.
@somekindofmonster7 Naw, it makes plenty of sense, only buck toothed retards like yourself find it hard to understand. I like BJJ and wrestling equally seeing as that I'm a purple belt in GJJ and was a state qualifier wrestler, I just can't stand how so many fanboys of BJJ dog on wrestling, yet fail to see how wrestling is just as good, if not better than jiujitsu. Leaving so soon? Alright,suit yourself. See ya bitch boy.
@somekindofmonster7 You say you don't give a fuck, yet, oddly enough, you keep crawling back like a loyal mutt returns to its master. You're the one who keeps disagreeing with me when I say wrestling is just as good as BJJ, so unless you say otherwise, you're just another one of the BJJ fanboys that don't have a clue.
@bjjalltheway1 Moron, WHEN DID I EVER SAY THAT WRESTLING ISN'T AS GOOD AS BJJ. Seriously, look back through the conversation and tell me when I said that. You can't, ya know why? Because I didn't. RAAWWWRRR YOU DISAGREE WITH ME SO YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY A FAG LOLZ. Save it.
@somekindofmonster7 So now you're saying you AGREE with me all along when I say wrestling is as good as BJJ. Perfect. Since that has been clarified, remind me, what point are you even trying to make? Cause unless you DISAGREE with what I'm saying, I suggest you refrain from pressing that "Reply" button any further and wasting both of our time.
Im not trying to take credit from Jiu Jutsu, it is a most well developed MA, but they seem to think that streetfight is based on 1 vs 1, which it most often isn't. If you have more than 1 enemy, Jiu Jutsu fails. However, if it's 1 vs1, you will probably win.
@Prophanicus This is true, and gracie jiu jitsu fighters are aware of this, however, Imagine the fight above taking place in a real setting. Remember that he is sparring a heavy weight champion. Name another martial art where a much smaller opponent can consistently defeat a larger and stronger opponent. The point of gracie jiu jitsu is to give a smaller weaker person a chance to defeat or at least survive an attack from someone larger. In which case it serves its purpose very well.
@Prophanicus Also notice how Rorion, the narrator, mentions that Rickson cud have punched his opponent but choses not to. If you knock someone out in the street, u are most certainly going to jail. Not to mention bare knuckle punches can lead to u breaking your own hand, or exposing blood which may have some type of disease (especially if the person is crazy or a drug addict). Respect to you and your training, just trying to give you a little more insight on the advantages of gracie jiu jitsu.
Kano Jigoro became a master a jujutsu, which is the timeless self-defense art meaning (gentle art) or "defeating strength through flexibility". After compiling his favorite and streamlined variations of techniques in jujutsu, in 1882 he founded Judo (gentle way) or "maximum efficient use of physical and mental energy". This would be like Eddie Bravo and his Rubber Guard system, but then calling it 10th Planet. It's all Jujutsu or as we now know it due to the Brazilian translation, Jiu Jitsu.
BJJ is for gays.. you just copy Judo techniques for years.
Good marketing + Copying Judo techniques then rebranded it = BJJ.
The reason why there's no throwing and advanced take down of Judo in BJJ is because the Gracies ( helio, carlos, etc) have a weak body and physical limitation. and that's why BJJ is born. ALL the BJJ technique is come from Judo, and all the BJJ fighter do through out the years is just doing Judo Newaza.
BJJ = "Basically just Judo". and that's the fact, get over it!
@alex220296 yeah?? why am i retard? which part of my statement that doesn't make sense for you? or maybe you are too stupid to comprehend my words? if you do, then you should go back to read the history of BJJ. learn how the gracies just copying the whole technique of Kosen Judo Newaza and make a little bit modification to it, then rebranded the name to be "brazillian" jiu jitsu ( which it should be Brazillian Judo because the gracies teacher Mitsuyo maeda is a Judo fighter ).
@SirRediazVh and no your wrong again it came from traditional jjj and was modified so it didnt rely on speed and strength again retard go look up the vid when you have a whole team fighting against a karate team on a tile floor theydidnt thnk theyd take it to the ground either
@rickyd454 i know that, but JJJ is a dying art. Kano Jigoro save it by combine all the grappling (throwing, submission, and take down) techniques of JJJ and made it into sport. Mitsuyo maeda who taught gracies are Judoka, not JJJ.My point is,why you have to learn BJJ and can only have knowledge on the ground, while you can learn Judo and learn how to fight standing and newaza ( grounding).watch royce gracie vs sakuraba..look how royce was dying in the fight cos he can't take saku to the ground
@SirRediazVh thats the stupidest fucking shit ive ever heard why learn how to fight on the ground dumbass because 90 % of fights end up there knowing judo or wrestling with out bjj is pointless because ya judo gets you to the ground its not a ground style fights dont end with pins moutha fucka that reffered to wrestling what good is judo when u cant finish a fight from a throw u dum ass
@rickyd454 hahaha. Pins?? do you think Judo can only end with pins when they go to the ground? ALL the BJJ submission technique are from judo u retard, triangle choke, arm bar, etc. if you think Judo can't do submission then you are a retard on the highest degree. Many judoka can win a fight against BJJ in BJJ game. but not other wise, Judoka can compete with BJJ on the ground, but BJJ fighter can only be thrown , slammed, or being take down to the ground if they fight standing against Judoka.
@SirRediazVh not really, in bjj you can pull guard and in judo you cant. world class bjj always beats world class judo because they have better bottom ground games.
@SirRediazVh dumbasss bitch i even said that pinning pertained to wrestling learn to read fag and i know bjj guys from my camp that one a judo competion the might be able to hang but they wont excell and 90 percent of my gym could hang in a judo comp so idk where ur getting your facts from dumbass stop makin shit up
@rickyd454 making shit up?? thats the fact you ass****. you are the one who make this bullshit, i do both judo and bjj, i can throw BJJ guy without leg block and hip spinning, thats why i told you BJJ is not ideal for a selfdefense, standing ability of BJJ is poor and can't survive on the street without proper floor for you to rolls. BJJ is good for cross-trained with other standing martial arts. and it made is good for sport and competiton, not on the street.
@SirRediazVh dumb mutha fucka u just completley contradicted your self and no rickson did not say they were to weak for judo ur a fucking dumbass rickson was dam near 190 pounds and yolked have u ever seen him ur just pullin bs out of your ass stop embarassing your self
@rickyd454 im not mentioning rickson,learn to read fag. i mentioned about hello, carlos, osvaldo, gastao, jorge gracie. the pioneer who developed BJJ. the are all small skinny, that's why they can't do what Japanese people do in Judo, Judo is more perfect all-round martial arts than BJJ. in Judo, you are not having trouble fight standing and grounding, but in BJJ if you can't take ur opponent to the ground, you'll be frustrated and lay back on the ground and pull guard like a bitch
@SirRediazVh no u dont train bjj and ive been using bjj in street fights ive been taken down and ive taken people down ive neverfinished or been finished by take downs few have that i know u r pulling shit out of ur ass and u are fake as fuck cause anybody who doesnt think something works wont train it
@SirRediazVh dumb ass moutha fucka u just said rickson and k wtf u going to do to me if u take me down its not likley ur gunna sub a bjj guy then ur in his world judo isnt a more complete art ur full of it u sure as hell dont wanna stand with me how many judo guys r in mma ? how many judo guys u see street fighting not alot theres a reason for that i like judo i respect th take downs but bjj is king on the ground thats a fact pulling guard aint for bitches a art is better if it dont finish
There is no best martial art. 3 guys with bats on cocaine with no eye brows. The best martial art track and field (run)
pedicalc7 6 days ago
GAY!!!!!
micah12pay 1 week ago
@mrDOMINICO1 It's not to see who would win if being jumped its showing a display of skill and kobudo wouldnt help you either with 2 or 3 guys jumping you at the same time this isnt a movie its real life.
ThouArtOfWar 1 week ago
@mrDOMINICO1 i dont think any martial art is gonna help you when your getting jumped your pretty much fucked and its not like the movies where they go one by one attacking you they attack at the same time so i say its good to know how to run fast or know how to fire a gun
puzzypirate 2 weeks ago
@puzzypirate Several martial arts, such as Ninjutsu and Aikido, teach fighting against a group, but I agree it is still smart to either run or just pull out a gun.
JdawgWithNinjutsu 6 days ago
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@anthonyrivero415 no I mean the back mount, then the opponent wouldn't be able to see what's happening and the wrestler could just beat hiom in the head. In wrestling you're taught to circle around to the back anyways.
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@mrDOMINICO1 Does your kobudo training have live sparring or is it all kata based? C'mon dude you know if you were in a 3 on 1, you would take off. I don't think you are that dumb as to fight 3 guys. Also, in this day and age you don't want to kill or disable anybody. Why? because you'll either go to prison or pay their medical bills the rest of their life. This isn't a feudal japan dude. Stop watching the last samurai and 13 assassins.
RagingDemon89 3 weeks ago
The first submission he puts the wrestler in is that a gogoplata it looks like it but it could also be a triangle but i couldnt tell from the view. Did any c it
kingdom482 3 weeks ago
Wow you guys really love arguing about martial arts, I hope you're actually training in one the styles you know so much about. Anyway I just joined a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu gym today, not for self defence but I'm sure its very effective for unarmed one-on-one combat. Wanna know what works best in a fight with multiple attackers? An automatic weapon, lots of bullets, and a steady hand..... Seriously I'm not kidding
aijaman 3 weeks ago
@aijaman The problem is most people don't walk around with automatic weapons and lots of bullets in western countries. At least not in Great Britain, most US states and Australia. Also a lot of bad stuff happens to people when they least expect it, and this is why it's so truly important to know the difference and understand the difference between the training you do for 1-on-1 sparring, and the training you do for life/death sudden attacks. It'll literally save your life :)
notdrockok 3 weeks ago
u take a wrestler and then teach him jui jitsu and u get matt hughes,, thats y he beat royce matt had the strength and power from wrestling and the knowledge of jj to take advantage against royce, not to say royce is not a great fighter to say other wise would be foolish. and thats y the evolution of mma began because of guys like royce and the gracie family ahhaha
destincox 3 weeks ago
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Those fights were still staged. And they dont use any submission moves that would work in a MMA match. Full nelson, chicken wing, boston crab. That just doesnt happen.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
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Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
I don't think most of us realize how psychologically conditioned we are--we are trapped in a unique type of fear that is not present anywhere else in nature! And this fear is reinforced by our thoughts, actions, reactions, opinions, beliefs... This whole self-defense mentality--not just amongst individuals but also among nations--is based on this fear. Consequently, I think we are unaware of the tremendous capacity of a fearless/super intelligent human's ability to nullify any situation!
elbikino1 3 weeks ago
@elbikino1 This is why, though, martial arts is more important now than ever, because we're fighting a psychological war with an invisible enemy. We've got dodgy governments, banks running laws, ethics existing in limbo, depression through the roof as well as suicide... with true MA training we can create strong mental discipline and a natural state of ethics. It's scientific "fact" that weak genetics creates natural fear and oppressive Alpha Males...
notdrockok 3 weeks ago
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elbikino1 3 weeks ago
I'm still not sure of the martial relevance of Gracie Jiu Jitsu. It's a high skill to win organised bouts/sparring, but there doesn't seem to be any real-life relevance. What weapons does it use? How does it go against multiple opponents who are armed? The street is often messy with broken glass, cars, urine, diseases etc so would it be fair to say going to ground could result in injury of the practitioner? How does it do about creating a better society?
notdrockok 3 weeks ago
@notdrockok How does it better society! Well it created a forum for barefooted, tattooed up, baseball cap wearing rednecks to make shit loads of money with mediocre MA skills. LOL! Now ppl have an in ur face attitude and success is only defined as kicking someone's ass.
osensei2987 3 weeks ago
@osensei2987 Exactly! It amazes me that once upon a time martial arts were used for saving people lives, usually poor farmers and villagers, from ruthless bast*ards with swords and spears... and had the side effect of creating a more disceplined society. Now? Yuch, lets make the rednecks dumber, louder and more violent why not!
notdrockok 3 weeks ago
@notdrockok I think BJJ and other martial arts for that sake do help society because it just creates such friendly and humble people, the guys at my gym are like this and for me its all about abolishing ego. I went into my gym the first day a little cocky not going to lie :P And then i rolled with guys half my size and was literally played around with (didnt go 20 seconds without being submitted) And it was brilliant... I walked out feeling happy! Everyone should practice martial art
k00lkane 3 weeks ago
Rickson by armbar
jigsaw99 3 weeks ago
@rivalpaws21 choreographed if your dumb ass cant fit the same basic movements into real life situations bro... just cuz you arent capable of basic thought doesnt mean everyone else is
codydorman420 4 weeks ago
@rivalpaws21 umm hey dumb fuck you do know bruce lee is the creator of jkd or way of the intercepting fist and many believe it to be the very first mma and btw krav is one of the most brutal fighting styles there are just cuz you dont see them in lots of fights its cuz they cant use what it teaches (nut shots,neck punchs,eye gouging ya its not usefull at all in street go against anyone trained in it you'll kiss there ass to get em of you and also the teach defense against guns knives ect..)
codydorman420 4 weeks ago
@rivalpaws obviously your a keyboard warrior since you dont know shit about jeetkuundoo ahah fucking do your research bro i mean your only sitting behind a fucking computer hahah oh and one more thing think with both halfs of your brain before you reply and try to talk shit btw every martial art is in jkd this includes boxing bjj even fencing is in that, krav maga is also made for street fighting so go look some shit up now.... before you sart ranting about whats better then what
codydorman420 4 weeks ago
@codydorman420 Traditional Japanese Jiu Jutsu predates JKD by 100's if not thousands of years. Traditional JJ (not to be confused with BJJ) includes all ranges of combat. It has kicking, striking, locking, throwing, ground fighting and submissions. It originated from a school of Samurai arts from the middle ages called the Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu. That's just the Japanese art. Who knows what else is out there from other cultures that predates modern MMA?
osensei2987 4 weeks ago
@osensei2987 i know and i never said that jkd is or was the first mma and also i already knew that the japanese jj came befor bjj because the simple fact that someone put there own spin on it... also the samurai used throw moves and slams to break opponents limbs and or kill because there armor was to thick to be cut with a blade... yea i know but interesting name/knowledge none the least btw lots of people think bjj is the only jiu jutsu and dont even know thats just one of the many types
codydorman420 4 weeks ago
@rivalpaws21 you aren't helping your argument. if you don't know what JKD is (or who invented it) or what Krav Maga is than you have nothing to argue with. Boxing IS a traditional martial art that has roots from ancient Rome and the Olympics... Krav Maga and JKD are as far away from being traditional as any other 'style'.
SenseiGrove 4 weeks ago
@rivalpaws21 i love BJJ and i believe it is one of superior ones... but only in a one on one fight. what about those three or four on one fights? you can't say they don't happen... in any martial arts you have got to pr the what if scenario. you kidding about kaga right? i'd say that about aikido maybe, but jeet kun do and krav maga are the top most effective and adaptable, right next to BJJ.
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Truthiracy3 1 month ago
Formerly the sport of MMA was something well underground. You can not believe that the world of the fights came to this level it is today.
TheCrashbones 1 month ago
Damn was that first sub a GOGO?
rufioizgod 1 month ago
@rufioizgod
Yes. A gogoplata.
TheCrashbones 1 month ago
if the wrestler could ground and pound he'd be dead
denshaotoko89 1 month ago
I agree with you...looking at the big picture, I meant that even though we are trained....the situation we get into, opponent's size, his strength, fighting ability, or if he's not trained at all, the ground conditions, location...will of course dictate what we will do...just to keep an open mind...and when it's for real with adrenaline is flying...like you, i don't want to wasting any time...i want to inflict pain asap...and get out safely!
livfreediempty 1 month ago
in a real fight situation no one in their right mind will go to the ground and heel hook...you want to end the fight early and strike to the face and balls...BJJ is a martial art...successful mostly in tournament competition because of rules or up against opponents who can't fight...in the street their no rules
livfreediempty 1 month ago
@livfreediempty you seem to forget that BJJ was developed in no rules fights. Your assumptions about fighting show you haven't done much of it. Vale Tudo originates in Brazil BTW.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@livfreediempty why not? if its what a person trains to do then its instinctive for them to do it. ive done mma and only twice since have i had any altercations but a few years ago i put a guy on his back and put him in a kimura and that ended it without it even really being a fight, i didnt dislocate his shoulder but i could have. he quit and thats all i was looking for so i let him go and we went out seperat ways. i lost a jiu jittsu match to a heel hook, they hurt like hell
dirtyjew1974 1 month ago
ALL Martial Arts are a sport. Everyone that is defending or arguing the case of Gracie Jiu Jitsu doesn't understand that concept. The thing that is special about Gracie Jiu Jitsu is that they emphasize on what is useful for someone who is A: smaller/frail and B: not strong, in a street fight. NO Martial art is guaranteed useful against multiple attackers or attackers with weapons. Gracie Jiu Jitsu is a DEFENSIVE art. It relies on the idea that your attacker is being aggressive, one attacker.
BuddyDale 1 month ago
@BuddyDale Bullshit! You just mindlessly spout out Gracie talking points? It's not a matter of being effective against multiple attack! The real issue is that stand up styles afford u more mobility with which u can escape a multiple attack. Whereas GJJ makes u totally vulnerable by limiting your mobility and your ability to escape a multiple attack.
osensei2987 4 weeks ago
@osensei2987 If you are in a serious situation where you face multiple attackers your best ability is to be able to run away and not get caught. Playing football is better practice for this than martial arts in my opinion.
Jujitsu is greatest for dealing with a belligerent unarmed individual with a minimum risk for injury. It is beautiful because you can subdue someone without even hurting them....though it is always an option to do so.
undeadpresident 3 weeks ago
@undeadpresident Yeah, right! Get the man on the ground and then suddenly, "Oh SNAP! He had three buddies who were spectators in crowd!". U can't always predict when a mass attack will happen. People can even hide out of sight. Just when u think ur attacker is alone and u go to the ground. Thugs can appear out of nowhere depending on the situation. Ground fighting is just one tool out of many available tools. It is foolish to think of using it in every situation.
osensei2987 3 weeks ago
@osensei2987 Did I say every situation? No. So why are you acting like I did? I've heard all this before.
undeadpresident 3 weeks ago
he just tried to diss wrestling.... fuck that guy... in a street fight he would have got punched upside the head. plus that guy was way out of shape. oh well i dont have to worry. wrestling is ruling mma now.
vespaman101 1 month ago
@vespaman101 No it isn't. It is true that the judges have "wrestling on the brain" and think a takedown is meaningful even if it doesn't lead to anything (which it isn't), but wrestlers aren't finishing anybody with wrestling. Most are won with strikes while standing.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor tons of wrestlers are battering their opponents into submission using ground and pound. And they have the superior control they could only get from being a wrestler that allows this. in a street fight that wreslter would have thrown punches making those submissions much harder. And a takedown is meaningful. It shows you putting yourself into superior position to pulverize your opponent and thats you dictating the fight. Jiu jitsu is okay but they have no ground control.
vespaman101 1 month ago
@vespaman101 GnP isn't wrestling now is it?Most guys who do takedowns do nothing with it, therefore it is not meaningful. Plus the rules favor wrestlers.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor ground and pound is a tool used by wrestlers and much better then jiu jitsu guys use it. Takedowns are definitely meaningful if it gets you in dominant positions and causes the guy on bottom to ware himself out. And most guys who get takedowns do use them properly. It wares the other fighter down and you use gnp to soften him up or knock him out. But Wrestling comes from a martial art full of submissions and even strikes but all those were taken out for scholastic wrestling.
vespaman101 1 month ago
@vespaman101 1 they didn't learn submissions at all when they learned to wrestle. 2 Having a dominant position is meaningless if you can't use it to finish. Dry humping someone for 25 minutes isn't winning or fighting, it is avoiding having to fight.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor punching a guy upside the head until he is finished is though. or until a guy is to exhuasted to fight back or submit you is. Which is often the case when grappling against a wrestler. And like is aid before Wreslting actually used to have a ton of submissions but it was softened up. However Jiu jitsu is in no way superior especially not to greco roman style and freestyle wreslting. Getting taken down and slammed like that on the street can easily lead to a knockout.
vespaman101 1 month ago
@vespaman101 Punching is not wrestling. 2 are we talking MMA or street fighting? Make up your mind. 3 doesnt matter that wrestling had submissions, it doesnt now and now all the subs come from BJJ that wrestlers use. 4 John Fitch and every loser like him. BJJ is a different animal than Greco, cover different areas. Greco is closer to Judo than Bjj. 5 Could lead to a knockout, rarely does though.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor rarely leads to a knockout in mma... often leads to a knockout in astreet fight or someone with a messed up back. I've been in a few street fights myself. not a ton im no street fightinge extraordinaire i dont want you to think im makin gthat claim. but a good slam on the street usually stops a guy. often in wrestling even that does on a mat. but being slammed like that on concrete or asphalt even once and your probably done.
vespaman101 1 month ago
@vespaman101 risky assumption to make. Do you train for "I will just slam the guy and it will be over" or do you train for the guy it has no effect on? Secret ninja school karate studio always claim nonsense like the former, "my techniques are so deadly he will never get close" and the rest.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor You know what...i almost dont have time for a guy who is obviously biased against wrestling and knows jiu jitsu cant compete and wants to find a niche jiujitsu wins in. Truth is in grappling it is about control and if wrestler have control too bad. Most wrestling pinning combinations are also valid submissions if used correct and i always wrestled to put my opponents in pain. Just so you know though. I tapped a Jiu Jitsu practitioner last week with a wrestling move. Suck Deez
vespaman101 1 month ago
@vespaman101 Good for you. But two people of equivalent skill level, one pure wrestler and one pure bjj, bjj will win 9 times out of 10.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor this guy had been doing bjj longer then i ever wrestled. i wreslted 2 years out of my life. And you will only catch a wrestler if he doesnt know about submissions but the moment you learn what a submission is you just stop letting the jiu jitsu fighter "work" and you ware him out. 9 times out of 10 is a huge overstatement and you really shouldnt say stupid stuff like that. And all subs do not come from bjj. arm bars were in ancient greek wrestling before even Jap jujutsu existed.
vespaman101 1 month ago
@vespaman101 1 irrelevant how long Gracie has been doing it, that wasn't what I said. 2 Todays wrestlers learn subs from bjj, the past is not relevant here. 3 subs dont work because the guy doesnt know any better (that's like claiming punches only work on people who don't know boxing) ADCC is always won by BJJ and never by wrestlers.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor thats because most wrestlers dont compete in ADCC. Most wreslters never even heard of ADCC. We aren't in there full force but bjj users are. Its thier big thing. Not ours. We function through school, college, and olympics. Not through ADCC. So that's an unfair assessment. And recently through MMA. And this guy was better at jiu jitsu then i was at wrestling but i still won. Im telling you man jiu jitsu is not any better. most wreslting moves can easily be made into submissions.
vespaman101 1 month ago
@vespaman101 They don't come because they have little chance. And all the submissions seen in mma are bjj subs.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor HAHA! Go watch fake black and white wrestling videos from the 1950's. Those fake wrestlers had more submission moves than modern MMA wrestlers! ROFLMAO!
osensei2987 4 weeks ago
@osensei2987 What may have been done in the 50s is irrelevant to what is being done in wrestling today.
LordShandor 3 weeks ago
now go up against matt hughes or sakuraba...
klzabc 1 month ago
I understand gracies want people to flock to their gyms and learn the art (more money in their pockets), that’s fine…but that doesn’t make them king shit…like they always make themselves out to be. If you wanna go out & learn bjj, that’s great…but if you assume that by knowing grappling and ground fighting alone will be sufficient enough defend yourself in the streets...one day you’ll get a rude shock.
VirtuousRebel 1 month ago
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JujuiLuv 1 month ago
I would respect the gracies a little bit more if they had acknowledged that to be a complete martial artist you would need the know both stand up fighting as well as grappling. But these vids from them are all saying “BJJ is designed for street fighting, self defense” and all the other fighting styles are useless etc etc… Such BS man!!!
Show a little respect.
VirtuousRebel 1 month ago
@VirtuousRebel for the stand up part yes thats tru but also the teach some judo stuff which is great to drop people with........trust me im not a gracie fan at all i prefer 10th planet jiu jitsu but the gracies are good for just incase some does try to drop you and fight you on the ground
iTeamNinja 1 month ago
But on the streets…running at someone’s waist as a first response is idiotic at best. Once you tasted the pavement…you’ll know what I mean. Yes you should learn how to grapple…but you need to know how to punch, kick and block as well.
VirtuousRebel 1 month ago
@VirtuousRebel rickson gracie knows the limitations of wrestlers especially in the ring, he uses that knowledge to his advantage. from the manner in which a person attacks one can get a basic idea of what kind of fighting style they have and plan an effective counter strategy. the beauty of bjj is that it focuses on control.
munkyraju 1 month ago
@munkyraju
Point taken. I don’t mean to discredit any particular fighting method here, but what you mentioned is easier said than done. A street fight can be unpredictable, volatile and dangerous. All I’m saying is going down to the ground as a first resort is probably not a good idea. A BJJ person can only “control” his opponent if they’re on the ground. If you can’t get them on the ground then you’re in trouble. Hence you need to know how to stand up and fight as well.
VirtuousRebel 1 month ago
why did he give little taps on the back of his oponent´s head?He should respect his oponent
pousadaparadiso 1 month ago
I would never want to grapple in a street fight. Who knows if this person has friends that will kick you in the head while you are on the ground, or a knife. In reality you basically need: 1) to be a good punched; 2) maybe good kicker; 3) be able to perform some basic judo throws; 4) preferably be without a person you need to protect (gf, etc.); 5) be a good runner.
HvPman 1 month ago
if you watch the greatest MMA fighter in the cage just see how they drop to the floor as soon as a finger pokes them in the eye or they get hit in the groin, when Tyson bit Holyfields ear he fell apart and was unable to do any thing.
now imaging that happening to a untrained scum bag that is on top of you in the street they try to wrestle as that is instinct but you shove your Thumb in thier eye pushing there head back as you bite in to there shoulder and your other hand grabs & rips at his ear
westalljamie 1 month ago
@westalljamie and if the aggressor is high on drugs and none of the above work? You just made an angry person angrier and he will return the same thing back to you
6psycho9 1 month ago
I would like to give you all a free quick ground lession...
Shove your fingers / thumbs in his eyes hard and HE WILL STOP.
Grab his ear and pull very hard , this will pull the ear off or rip it. HE WILL STOP
Bite him hard where ever you can. HE WILL STOP
Grab and crush his wind pipe hard. HE WILL STOP
Grab or hit his groin hard again HE WILL STOP
If you can do one or even better 2 3 or 4 of these easy things i swear even a little petit women would beat Rickson Gracie.
This is street survival.
westalljamie 1 month ago
a great artist and BBJ is a great martial art but it is not for street fighting as they say it is on this video.... i don't care how great you are at BBJ because if you had some one all tangled up like that (for the right or wrong reasons) on the floor all they need is one friend to stamp or kick you in the head and there you have and this is because you falsely believe that these un-realistic martial arts will work.
I am a Professional Urban street fighting instructor i know what I am on about
westalljamie 1 month ago
thats some real quality film you got there .....
JujuiLuv 1 month ago 10
@JujuiLuv Show a little respect, it is old footage and people didnt used to have fucking HD cell phones, this was probably recorded on something substantially larger and heavier than a VCR. What's a vcr? Fuckin kids.
Ravelife13 1 month ago
@JujuiLuv Looks like the footage is from the 80s, what do you expect...
hh155 1 month ago
@hh155 I was thinking brazilian camera ! hahahhaa
JujuiLuv 1 month ago
If it's made for street fighting...why are they on a soft surface?
Sevv9220 1 month ago
@Sevv9220 : Don't comment if you don't know what wresting or Jiu-jitsu is. Do your research before you comment.
MzRcLuTcH 1 month ago
@MzRcLuTcH I do know what they are. I've done my research and I'm not convinced that this is the end all be all.
Sevv9220 1 month ago
@Sevv9220 lol you are an idiot, jiujitsu is actually good against any striker even if it's on the streets. Of course you will not use it when there are 4 of his buddies around him that's where your striking comes in or better yet walk away :D
6psycho9 1 month ago
@6psycho9 Jiujitsu also has strikes in it...and where I'm from it's rarely one on one and you may not get the chance to walk away.
Of course, an ignoranus like yourself would just throw out "idiot" to people expressing their personal opinion.
By the way, your mother has AIDS and your father's a cuckold.
Sevv9220 1 month ago
@Sevv9220 BJJ doesn't have any striking. Jujutsu does though.
xBXRxAaron 1 month ago
The narrator is incorrect. Do we have official statistics that show how many street fights ends up on the ground or are we making assumptions here? And if we're making assumptions about street fighting then the only ones that should be made are that your opponent has a weapon and has friends, therefore the ground is the last place you want to be. BJJ is a great martial art but it is not street fighting no matter what people say.
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago 14
@Usag1Yoj1mbo i completely agree. people act as though when theres a fight, you will end up rolling around outside on the concrete. IVE never seen that happen nor have i heard of it happening.
MrOverSuper 1 month ago
@MrOverSuper . It is all about marketing rather than facts and the Gracies are very successful at it. BJJ is still a great martial art but it has it's limitations like all styles do. I think more and more people will start understanding what we mean when they look more closely at reality.
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo lol, that's why you walk away from any of the knife situations even with any other martial arts, you would take down the opponent and control him in the grown until he is tired and throw in some punches obviously. You just don't take them down and submit them you tire them down first
6psycho9 1 month ago
@6psycho9. Read my post mate. The only thing you ASSUME in a fight is that your opponent has a weapon and has friends. Just because you can't see a knife, or other weapon, and just because you can't immediately see his friends doesn't mean they are not there. I've drilled grappling with someone who has pulled a knife out and gutted me with it....never saw it coming and try grappling 2 or more people....good luck.
I use force in my job almost daily and I too know what I am talking about.
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo
I totally agree with you. Going to the ground on the streets is the last place you wanna be (head stomp etc). I find it amusing having saw all the similar vids (with the same narrator & accent) stating that this martial arts is designed for “street fighting & self defense”. Well…in a ring with rules…maybe.
VirtuousRebel 1 month ago
@VirtuousRebel . Hahaha! Exactly mate!....in a ring...with rules....!
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo i hear you man but some locks used in bjj can be used standing up. and besides i would rather run if faced with more than two opponents. either that or get a really big stick/bat. and if they have guns like heck i'm sticking around as long as my legs are working :P
munkyraju 1 month ago
@munkyraju . Running should always be your first option if faced with a weapon or multiple attackers but if you can't see them, you have no choice but to fight and you choose the ground then you will be in for a big surprise if you suddenly get knifed or your opponents mates turn up.
You can learn the same standing locks from many other MA styles. BJJ doesn't exclusively own them but I get your point.
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo it not try being jump by people and your on the ground cover your face and go for a heel hook and break their knees once 1 knee is broken others will back off bc no1 wants a broken knee
iTeamNinja 1 month ago
@iTeamNinja . Have you been actually been in a fight mate? Try heel hooking someone when their smashing your face in and friends don't always back off just cause you've taken one out of the fight.
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo There are actually police statistics that show that over 90% of street fights go to the ground
jball1123 1 month ago
@jball1123 . Where are these stats? By whom? It's all good to spout these things if they are true but I need proof.
Watch the fights on Youtube, not many go to the ground, certainly not 90% of them.
Police take people to the ground to handcuff them. It may be a small struggle but in those situations techniques from JJJ/Hapkido/Aikido/Sambo/Wrestling are just as useful. It is not like your average cop pulls guard on an offender and holds him until he gets a lock on!
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago
@jball1123
Excuse me, but you said “there are actually police statistics that show that over 90% of street fights go to the ground…” I find that a bit hard to believe. How can police go around and compile these stats? Do they have extra resources and so much time on their hands that they would actually carry these researches??? Sorry maybe I’m a bit ignorant, but can you tell me which police dept (country) has those stats?
VirtuousRebel 1 month ago
@VirtuousRebel It's a bullshit statistic. Always has been.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor ive seen more fights than i can count and almost all of them have ended up on the ground or atleast with them standing hugging each other and that will always favor the guy with ground fighting experience.
dirtyjew1974 1 month ago
@dirtyjew1974 How does ground fighting favor a guy in a clinch?
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor because a grappler always starts his grappling from the clinch so the better grappler will have the advantage starting from that point. in this case the wrestler is also a grappler but wrestling dont emphasize on submissions such as an art like jiu jitsu because jiu jitsu is a submission based art and wrestling emphasises on control and putting the other guys shoulders to the mat which wouldnt end a real fight. both are good arts though and for different reasons.
dirtyjew1974 1 month ago
@dirtyjew1974 I agree that wrestling is awesome for position control, my bitch with it is the lack finishes, esp in mma.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@LordShandor your right, wrestling is effective but in itself its pretty lack luster as far as finishes are concerned. many wrestlers finish fights by using ground and pound but striking on the ground isnt part of wrestling, striking is striking and the wrestlers just used wrestling to get the other guy in position to use strikes. in other words wrestlers use other arts to finish fights, sure matt houghs used a few chokes and arm locks to win matches but that was jiu jitsu he used
dirtyjew1974 1 month ago
@jball1123 hey is your name joey :P
daveyboy728 1 month ago
@daveyboy728 no sir
jball1123 1 month ago
@jball1123 lol is your last name ball though? :P
daveyboy728 1 month ago
@daveyboy728 perhaps
jball1123 1 month ago
@jball1123 lol send me a personal message if it is man :P , i gotta tell you soemthing kind of funny :P
daveyboy728 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo jiu jitsu works very well in a street fight, but only as long as its 1 on 1, if you're getting jumped my multiple people, the last place you want to be is on the ground.
bigchief70 1 month ago
@bigchief70 if you are getting jumped you are pretty much screwed unless you have a weapon.
LordShandor 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo anything fighting related is streetfighting if its on the street, its only not streetfighiting if its in a sport related scenario. jiu jitsu is great for street defence and a choke hold or a joint lock would work on anyone anywhere if you put them in it, an arm is an arm and a neck is a neck if its in a competition or the street.
dirtyjew1974 1 month ago
@dirtyjew1974 . Choke holds are great, I've used them for real in real confrontations but BJJ doesn't own the techniques, I learnt chokes via Hapkido and they are all the same anyway. I didn't really understand your first sentence mate. Fighting is more than just techniques that the MA's teach. You have to understand the behavioural, pschological, emotional and legal sides to real world violence rather than just the physical side.
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo because every fight ends up on broken glass and hypodermic needles! Randomness will always be a factor no matter what you trane
und666 1 month ago
@und666 . Yes it will, but the more your shock your system during training the less of a surprise new random situations will be.
Usag1Yoj1mbo 1 month ago
@Usag1Yoj1mbo if you do take the average street fight to the ground you will get attacked by the buddies of the guy you're about to choke out... its superb with a one on one street fight i believe. but the average street fight isn't just one on one. i believe JKD and Krav Maga does a better job at training you for the average street fight and beyond.
SenseiGrove 1 month ago
catch wrestling is much better. sakuraba proved it.
modblogger1 1 month ago
@modblogger1 i will say it used to be.. because bjj gotten so big in popularity.. the whole bjj evolved in to a much higher level...plus he trains with so many bjj fighters and alot of bjj submissions have been translated to catch wrestling and vice verse,,you can hardly call sakuraba a catch wrestler
KOOLJDJ 1 month ago
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1024joaquin 1 month ago
what documentary is this from?
jon780 1 month ago
Nice!
robertantwi 1 month ago
Basic just judo!!! Newaza
judorican973 1 month ago
the second guy cant be a wrestler he didnt even know how to sprawl. He just flopped like Bitch.
pryzed1 1 month ago
American wrestling is the best! If this was wrestling Tom easily won by pin, if it was an actual fight Tom would bash his brains in. Second guy is a bum no way is he a wrestler.
duo24100 1 month ago
@duo24100 I'm sure Ken Shamrock thought wrestling was the best too until he lost to Royce twice, even though he had a huge size difference on his side.
reptile202 1 month ago
@reptile202 shamrock wasnt a 'wrestler' he was a shootwrestler completely different thin. those guys were wrestlers with no concept of submissions where as shootwrestling is heavily focused on submission... needless to say he still got beat.
gdj89mma 1 month ago
@gdj89mma I guess you're correct. I'm just pointing out to guys that are saying: "if this was a no rules fight, Rickson would've been owned" that Shamrock was an actual fighter and wrestler, yet he lost twice to Royce. And we're taking about Rickson here; a lot of people consider him better than Royce.
reptile202 1 month ago
im not sure how this is good for street fight, explain kindly
psychick99 1 month ago
@psychick99 1v1 fist fight...double leg takedown & choke em out= over in 30 seconds
STARSandBARS1994 1 month ago
I'm a fan of BJJ, but the description is inaccurate. The second guy clearly isn't a wrestler, or definitely a horrible one. And Hagle basically rolled with him in a BJJ match, so yeah of course he lost. If you put a timer and go by points Hagle has a fair setting, since he doesn't really have submissions to finish. Submissions being illegal in wrestling
LASuxs 1 month ago
@LASuxs "Points" has NOTHING to do with real life situations, dumbass.
TheCyndicate 1 month ago
@TheCyndicate Yeah i'm getting called dumbass by a herb that has zero grasp of basic grammar. BJJ is not real life situation since there's no punching, headbutting or form of striking. They were just rolling, stick to what you know
LASuxs 1 month ago
@TheCyndicate Neither does collapsing to your back like a bitch and pulling guard as Rickson did. If this were on the street, the wrestler would break Gracie's neck by hip tossing him into the pavement and follow it up with some punch or a soccer kick to the face. Ironic ain't it?
bjjalltheway1 1 month ago
@bjjalltheway1 I very seriously doubt that someone would just pull off a hip toss on a Gracie in a "real life situation," as you so eloquently put it. I'm assuming you don't really know what you're talking about since you're just a keyboard warrior on Youtube, and are talking shit about one of the greatest ground fighters to ever walk the earth. Good job.
somekindofmonster7 1 month ago
@somekindofmonster7 Ain't talkin shit to the Gracies, hell, I'm a purple belt in their system and respect them as fighters, but they have created an illusion to the many idiots around the world, yourself included, that BJJ is the be all, end all of fighting, which it isn't. Sorry to break it to ya, but I was a SQ back in high school, and from the 3 fights I've been in my life I've learned that wrestling will help out more than BJJ in a real no-holds barred fight. Thanks for your concern tho ;)
bjjalltheway1 1 month ago
@bjjalltheway1 Haha yeaaaaa, I didn't say that BJJ was the end-all be-all. Nice assumption though. Those three playground fights you've been in must have really taught you a lot hahaha.
somekindofmonster7 1 month ago
@somekindofmonster7 Haha good one bro! Actually, now that I think about it, ya, I guess I was also in a few scraps back on the grammar school playground as well, all the while you were busy eating dog shit lol
bjjalltheway1 1 month ago
@bjjalltheway1 That...doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Your name is bjjalltheway, but you're talking shit about BJJ for some reason. But seriously, nobody cares. Really...nobody...at all...cares. Bye now.
somekindofmonster7 1 month ago
@somekindofmonster7 Naw, it makes plenty of sense, only buck toothed retards like yourself find it hard to understand. I like BJJ and wrestling equally seeing as that I'm a purple belt in GJJ and was a state qualifier wrestler, I just can't stand how so many fanboys of BJJ dog on wrestling, yet fail to see how wrestling is just as good, if not better than jiujitsu. Leaving so soon? Alright,suit yourself. See ya bitch boy.
bjjalltheway1 1 month ago
@bjjalltheway1 When did I dog on wrestling? You are overestimating the amount of fuck I give about this conversation.
somekindofmonster7 1 month ago
@somekindofmonster7 You say you don't give a fuck, yet, oddly enough, you keep crawling back like a loyal mutt returns to its master. You're the one who keeps disagreeing with me when I say wrestling is just as good as BJJ, so unless you say otherwise, you're just another one of the BJJ fanboys that don't have a clue.
bjjalltheway1 1 month ago
@bjjalltheway1 Moron, WHEN DID I EVER SAY THAT WRESTLING ISN'T AS GOOD AS BJJ. Seriously, look back through the conversation and tell me when I said that. You can't, ya know why? Because I didn't. RAAWWWRRR YOU DISAGREE WITH ME SO YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY A FAG LOLZ. Save it.
somekindofmonster7 1 month ago
@somekindofmonster7 So now you're saying you AGREE with me all along when I say wrestling is as good as BJJ. Perfect. Since that has been clarified, remind me, what point are you even trying to make? Cause unless you DISAGREE with what I'm saying, I suggest you refrain from pressing that "Reply" button any further and wasting both of our time.
bjjalltheway1 1 month ago
Im not trying to take credit from Jiu Jutsu, it is a most well developed MA, but they seem to think that streetfight is based on 1 vs 1, which it most often isn't. If you have more than 1 enemy, Jiu Jutsu fails. However, if it's 1 vs1, you will probably win.
Prophanicus 1 month ago
@Prophanicus This is true, and gracie jiu jitsu fighters are aware of this, however, Imagine the fight above taking place in a real setting. Remember that he is sparring a heavy weight champion. Name another martial art where a much smaller opponent can consistently defeat a larger and stronger opponent. The point of gracie jiu jitsu is to give a smaller weaker person a chance to defeat or at least survive an attack from someone larger. In which case it serves its purpose very well.
stang4lyfe07 1 month ago
@Prophanicus Also notice how Rorion, the narrator, mentions that Rickson cud have punched his opponent but choses not to. If you knock someone out in the street, u are most certainly going to jail. Not to mention bare knuckle punches can lead to u breaking your own hand, or exposing blood which may have some type of disease (especially if the person is crazy or a drug addict). Respect to you and your training, just trying to give you a little more insight on the advantages of gracie jiu jitsu.
stang4lyfe07 1 month ago
Kano Jigoro became a master a jujutsu, which is the timeless self-defense art meaning (gentle art) or "defeating strength through flexibility". After compiling his favorite and streamlined variations of techniques in jujutsu, in 1882 he founded Judo (gentle way) or "maximum efficient use of physical and mental energy". This would be like Eddie Bravo and his Rubber Guard system, but then calling it 10th Planet. It's all Jujutsu or as we now know it due to the Brazilian translation, Jiu Jitsu.
gkornegay 1 month ago
So a guy with no BJJ or submission skills takes Rickson down and passes his guard? What a legend.
Oh yeah keep ducking Saku you fraud!
dontwalkdontrun 1 month ago
BJJ is for gays.. you just copy Judo techniques for years.
Good marketing + Copying Judo techniques then rebranded it = BJJ.
The reason why there's no throwing and advanced take down of Judo in BJJ is because the Gracies ( helio, carlos, etc) have a weak body and physical limitation. and that's why BJJ is born. ALL the BJJ technique is come from Judo, and all the BJJ fighter do through out the years is just doing Judo Newaza.
BJJ = "Basically just Judo". and that's the fact, get over it!
SirRediazVh 1 month ago
@SirRediazVh Are you seriously fucking retarded?
alex220296 1 month ago
@alex220296 yeah?? why am i retard? which part of my statement that doesn't make sense for you? or maybe you are too stupid to comprehend my words? if you do, then you should go back to read the history of BJJ. learn how the gracies just copying the whole technique of Kosen Judo Newaza and make a little bit modification to it, then rebranded the name to be "brazillian" jiu jitsu ( which it should be Brazillian Judo because the gracies teacher Mitsuyo maeda is a Judo fighter ).
SirRediazVh 1 month ago
@SirRediazVh and no your wrong again it came from traditional jjj and was modified so it didnt rely on speed and strength again retard go look up the vid when you have a whole team fighting against a karate team on a tile floor theydidnt thnk theyd take it to the ground either
rickyd454 1 month ago
@rickyd454 i know that, but JJJ is a dying art. Kano Jigoro save it by combine all the grappling (throwing, submission, and take down) techniques of JJJ and made it into sport. Mitsuyo maeda who taught gracies are Judoka, not JJJ.My point is,why you have to learn BJJ and can only have knowledge on the ground, while you can learn Judo and learn how to fight standing and newaza ( grounding).watch royce gracie vs sakuraba..look how royce was dying in the fight cos he can't take saku to the ground
SirRediazVh 1 month ago
@SirRediazVh thats the stupidest fucking shit ive ever heard why learn how to fight on the ground dumbass because 90 % of fights end up there knowing judo or wrestling with out bjj is pointless because ya judo gets you to the ground its not a ground style fights dont end with pins moutha fucka that reffered to wrestling what good is judo when u cant finish a fight from a throw u dum ass
rickyd454 1 month ago
@rickyd454 hahaha. Pins?? do you think Judo can only end with pins when they go to the ground? ALL the BJJ submission technique are from judo u retard, triangle choke, arm bar, etc. if you think Judo can't do submission then you are a retard on the highest degree. Many judoka can win a fight against BJJ in BJJ game. but not other wise, Judoka can compete with BJJ on the ground, but BJJ fighter can only be thrown , slammed, or being take down to the ground if they fight standing against Judoka.
SirRediazVh 1 month ago
@SirRediazVh not really, in bjj you can pull guard and in judo you cant. world class bjj always beats world class judo because they have better bottom ground games.
everlg 1 month ago
@SirRediazVh dumbasss bitch i even said that pinning pertained to wrestling learn to read fag and i know bjj guys from my camp that one a judo competion the might be able to hang but they wont excell and 90 percent of my gym could hang in a judo comp so idk where ur getting your facts from dumbass stop makin shit up
rickyd454 1 month ago
@rickyd454 making shit up?? thats the fact you ass****. you are the one who make this bullshit, i do both judo and bjj, i can throw BJJ guy without leg block and hip spinning, thats why i told you BJJ is not ideal for a selfdefense, standing ability of BJJ is poor and can't survive on the street without proper floor for you to rolls. BJJ is good for cross-trained with other standing martial arts. and it made is good for sport and competiton, not on the street.
SirRediazVh 1 month ago
@SirRediazVh dumb mutha fucka u just completley contradicted your self and no rickson did not say they were to weak for judo ur a fucking dumbass rickson was dam near 190 pounds and yolked have u ever seen him ur just pullin bs out of your ass stop embarassing your self
rickyd454 1 month ago
@rickyd454 im not mentioning rickson,learn to read fag. i mentioned about hello, carlos, osvaldo, gastao, jorge gracie. the pioneer who developed BJJ. the are all small skinny, that's why they can't do what Japanese people do in Judo, Judo is more perfect all-round martial arts than BJJ. in Judo, you are not having trouble fight standing and grounding, but in BJJ if you can't take ur opponent to the ground, you'll be frustrated and lay back on the ground and pull guard like a bitch
SirRediazVh 1 month ago
@SirRediazVh no u dont train bjj and ive been using bjj in street fights ive been taken down and ive taken people down ive neverfinished or been finished by take downs few have that i know u r pulling shit out of ur ass and u are fake as fuck cause anybody who doesnt think something works wont train it
rickyd454 1 month ago
@SirRediazVh dumb ass moutha fucka u just said rickson and k wtf u going to do to me if u take me down its not likley ur gunna sub a bjj guy then ur in his world judo isnt a more complete art ur full of it u sure as hell dont wanna stand with me how many judo guys r in mma ? how many judo guys u see street fighting not alot theres a reason for that i like judo i respect th take downs but bjj is king on the ground thats a fact pulling guard aint for bitches a art is better if it dont finish
rickyd454 1 month ago