DEBATE: 2 Cor. 13:14, Each Person (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) of the Trinity Actively Saves Sinners?

[MrEXO911]

This is so simple yet sometimes men confuse the scriptures...all scriptures go along with one another John 3:16 and so on in the context is showing the Son died for the world world being those who believe on Him both Jews and Gentiles. One can't just use one scripture...scriptures is plural meaning more than one. I like reasoning not debates...smh

[Amajor34]

I agree with Larry Wessels.

[prn72271]

Are there any other apart from Jews and Gentiles?

The word WHOLE is the word that gives meaning to world.

Lets say right like how you believe - world means Jews and Gentiles.

He is the propitiation for the WHOLE of the Jews and Gentiles.

Also as far as The Father Drawing men, we can see that Christ was talking to a select few, the 12. However we would have to conclude that Judas was drawn also but was he saved at that point?

[CAnswersTV]

@prn72271 Your interpretation of the "WHOLE of the Jews and Gentiles" is totally false. Please watch the entire 4 hour debate (type LARRY WESSELS on the homepage of GOOGLE VIDEO & look for the the 4 hour debate series entitled, "Did Jesus Die For Everybody Who Ever Lived? Debate" (Parts 1-4). See also our Youtube video "Debate: John 3:16, Does "World" Always Mean Everybody Who Ever Lived or Not?". Most people are LOST to hell (Matt 7:13-15). God doesn't DRAW everybody just some (Ex 9:12).

[prn72271]

@CAnswersTV my intrepritation of the word whole is false? whole - holos - complete, all.

1 John 2:2 - the use of the word world is used - kosmou and this is the same word that Jesus uses in John 17:9 when he says he is praying for the world. Now this is a great calvinist scripture, how may I ask do you reconcile both? This same word is alo used in John 1:29, John 4:42.

Jesus is obviously the Savior of The WORLD.

I have listened to people debate this already.

Blessings!

[CAnswersTV]

@prn72271 There's no doubt about it your interpretation of the word "world" is completely false SINCE you're TRYING to FORCE your heretical ARMINIAN theology into Biblical passages without proper context overall. When scripture is compared with scripture you CANNOT interpret WORLD as meaning "every last man & woman in the world" as John 12:9 would refute this immediately. If God intended to save everyone (John 6:37) then they'll be saved. Christ died for the elect ONLY (Acts 20:28), no one else.

[prn72271]

@CAnswersTV

There is no doubt to you but for me what you say is quite false. You have not put any holes in what I put forth as far as the word world.

I dont see where the verses you posted are pro election as you put forth.

Jesus said unless you repent you will likewise perish and all the while He knew that people couldnt repent. What is also ironic is that John the Baptist who prepared the way for Christ came preaching repentance and The Holy Spirit had not come yet.

[CAnswersTV]

@prn72271 A person CANNOT REPENT unless GOD GRANTS repentance to the person in question, get it? God DOES NOT grant repentance to everyone, but only to some, get it? Those that truly repent are the ones who God had already given the POWER to repent because they COULD NOT do it with their own power, get it? Read 2 Timothy 2:25-26, "if God peradventure will give repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil" (sinners are trapped).

[prn72271]

@CAnswersTV

Hebrews 6:4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I heard a calvinisnt say "if you dont read things in context you can get conned by the text.

[CAnswersTV]

@prn72271 You make the typical mistake with this passage that most religionists make that desire to have "works" as their savior rather than the SOVEREIGN GRACE OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS. Men are totally UNCOMFORTABLE with leaving their salvation in God's hands (Romans 9:18) & thus struggle mightily to avoid that by hoping their own "works" of faith & repentance will get the job done instead. Here you intentionally leave out Hebrews 6:9 "But, beloved ... things that accompany salvation." Context!

[parousia555]

Oneness or Holiness Pentacostals believe in trinity to the extent that Jesus is suppose to be the father, son and HG

[CAnswersTV]

"parousia555" you're incorrect in your assumption here. Oneness Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity as Trinitarians do. Oneness advocates no more believe in the historic doctrine of the Trinity (see Athanasian Creed - within the nature of the one eternal God are 3 eternally distinct Persons) than do Mormons. Oneness cults teach the ancient heresy of Sabellianism where Jesus plays all three parts (modes) of the Godhead which is a false doctrine. See our website BibleQuery org for more.

[parousia555]

i said it was like as trinity in that they beleive that Jesus is t he faher, son, & HS...this is also known as Jesus Only.

But otherwise if u will do a study of each of the words u will find that trinity doesn't exist, and it can't exist in light of are salvation, how then does Jesus come to save that which is lost, in order for it to be lost it would have had to be in place

[CAnswersTV]

parousia555 I can tell by your statements that you didn't pay heed to our little ad for newsletters at the beginning of this Youtube show. We have a whole newsletter devoted to the scriptural proof for the Trinity, a second newsletter on Oneness Pentecostals, our websites BibleQuery org & HistoryCart com (early church teachings) cover the Trinity in detail plus if you go to YAHOO VIDEO (search LARRY WESSELS on their homepage) you will find our 4 hour video series on the Biblical Trinity & more.

[parousia555]

Here's the way I see it, if u know ur shit, u should be able to talk any time any where?

If only ur deal is only academia without a walk, then u r just as much a cult as the ones u r pointing fingers at.

Amie Simple McPhearson was Jesus only, or oneness or part of the holiness movement in her day, and yet during the great depression was able to get ahold of an abandon military barraks and feed singlehandly 25,000 ppl, that is more food given out presently than all the present day SalvationArmy