That was absolutely amazing. Nice Job. Great points On Oil and the developing world. And great job touching on the impossibility of the industrial revolutions of 3rd world countries. Very Enlightening.
Say i create a product, people line up to give me 20 dollar bills for it because my product is worth more than 20 dollars to them and i give them the products because the 20 dollars is worth more to me than my product, which, by the way, means society as a whole has become more wealthy. Please explain to me what gives you the right to send thugs to my house and take what i have earned at gun point.
Poster, fisrt get out of your head the notion of "Green" energy. This is a complete fairy tail. It takes gigawatts of brown energy to crate one megawatt of green. Also "green" energy is not without finite and resources . Additionally the Green movement is scitzoid. First they want wind power then oppose wind farm construction. As for global warming now called climate change has nothing to do with mankind. In science you do not create a theory and try to find evidence to prove it.
@biry0501 I can follow just fine. I'm just not going to waste my time listening to you meander aimlessly through loosely connected ideas. Try writing an outline. That works for me.
biry0501 In regards to electric cars. Right now in the US most of our electricity is WASTED during the night time. It's more economical to keep them running as a result 80% of the US cars could be powered with existing plants charged at night. That also doesn't take into account how many people could charge cars with alternative energy. I have a stream by my house if I put a generator on it, I could power a car off the grid. The only issue is the cost of electric / hybrid cars.
biry0501 you are assuming the guy you posted to this reply to is not lying. Many young Republicans will try to work their way up the Political ranks by getting exposure. They will talk about false regurgitated talking points that are proven false. Watch "Gasland" where many states blocked corporate drilling due to dishonest and dangerous practices by a free market corporation (Halliburton)
I really wanted to listen to your whole video, but you talk too softly. Even with my laptop speakers all the way up I can barely hear you. Please speak up!
I am curious to see the correlation between the development of new technologies and the implementation of either liberalism or conservatism. Any thoughts on this? Please reply.
@thefdaisreallystupid The point was that people who live in suburban lifestyles get more conservative with age—city people do not follow that same trend. With fossil fuels on the decline people will have to live closer together. As that happens, people will move to the left as tehy get older.
I have to say that I am the same, I became more of a leftist as I got older. Although I am moderately leftist. I support the free market, but with a regulated currency and a fair tax system.
The main problem with the likes of Lee Doren is that they tend to defend unregulated capitalism based on nothing but social inertia. The idea that because capitalism worked centuries ago when the population was tiny and there was no health & safety laws, then it must still work now. Well, it simply doesn't.
@ec123456789able Mr. Doreen and those like him ascribe to an ideology with totality. They do to capitalism what Trotsky and Lenin did to socialism. Such a quest for ideological purity always ends in disaster. And I am not sure that raw capitalism has ever worked for more than just a very few people in a society—and never will—just as with other proposed system. So I agree, we need a mixed economy.
I haven't met anyone on the left who is as ideological as on the right...
@biry0501 I totally agree. They do seem to want ideological purity.
The way I see it, whether people are right-wing or left-wing, if they are unable to concede points from the opposing arguments and they are dogmatic in their beliefs then they will never end up with a logical and fair reasoned conclusion.
I label myself as a leftist because I lean to the left rather firmly, but I am still able to see the merits of certain right-wing positions and am not a demagogue like Lee Doren.
I think you touched on something important here though. In urban areas, I've noticed that some will to the Left the longer they stay in those environments, especially if it's where they grew up. On the other hand, if they get out of that environment into a less populace one then the situation Lee detailed seems much more common.
My theory is that the sheer population makes it "easier" to raise tax rates marginally to fund all sorts of social programs that people just get accustomed to them.
Any study that claims we will "run out" of oil at some certain date is making the implicit assumption that we have already found all the oil there is. That seems to be a very shaky assumption to base such an important issue on.
Also the better question to ask as far as climate change (or "global warming", etc) is not whether the climate is markedly changing but whether *we* a prime cause in that or whether is is due to some other externality (e.g. increased solar output).
@MerlinYoda ...wow. think about this. oil does not naturally generate. it does not duplicate itself or randomly appear. like gold, and diamond, and emerald, it is FINITE. and unlike gems, there isn't a way to make artificial oil. no matter what, oil will run out. it could be 6 decades, or 4 years, but it is bad planning to just wait until the fucking apocolypse before doing something about a problem.
@98donkeydude Oil does "naturally generate"; it's just at an *extremely* slow rate (called "fossil fuel" for a reason). Also, if diamonds can be generated using heat and pressure it stands to reason that oil could be "generated" in a similar fashion (whether it's actually feasible is another matter). You still didn't address the assumption though. There could be enough gas/oil for 6 centuries if we've only barely scratched the surface. That doesn't exclude developing alternative energy sources.
@MerlinYoda very well made point. I disagree one a couple things though. we have done about as much as we can do without seriously damaging the enviroment. And rather than just digging everywhere and hoping to find more oil, why not stop now? if we have not just
"scratched the surface" we could be in serious trouble. And even so, it is not that simple. maybe there is a large oil spring somewhere. but chances are it does not belong to america.
@98donkeydude It would certainly be a bit of a cruel cosmic joke if there was, say, a gigantic cache of oil burred just under the surface in Antarctica. Still, we have resources available domestically (or at least much closer than the Middle East) that we are not fully utilizing that could be available to us with little or no environmental impact. We should be making use of those while new energy sources can be adapted to become more feasible and affordable.
@MerlinYoda True, but we could be using less oil. using oil at all already has an enviromental impact, not to mention getting it. and if there was oil in antarctica it would not be ours to take. in fact, if there is oil anywhere outside the united states it is not ours to take.
@98donkeydude Heh, if there was oil in Antarctica then every nation would be screwed out of it as long as those multi-nation treaty concerning Antarctica held up.
Until alternate sources (including nuclear) can provide a sufficient base energy supply. Fossil fuels are going to comprise the bulk of our energy consumption.
@MerlinYoda I am absolutely certain we will not 'run out' of oil. But that's irrelevant. The question is whether the amount of fossil fuel energy production will be able to meet the infinite growth paradigm of our current economic system into perpetuity . Simple logic says no. Aside from statistics, if you want to know if we are at peak oil, look at the behavior of oil powers. Increasingly risky drilling endeavors, more expensive projects, erratic behavior of oil producing states...
@13lackLight To a very limited extent. But we cannot assume that we will ever get 'alternative' energy as cheaply or as abundantly as we have from fossil fuels. It's not like butter where we can just make more margarine as quickly as dairy prices rise. Alternative energy is expensive, more complicated, and highly regional. We are not going to fuel 200 million cars with that or light up and heat/cool suburbia.
@biry0501 But could that also be that, since fossil fuels are still the cheaper route, a lot more capital has been invested and that it benefits from higher competition and economies of scale? As fossil fuels become expensive, and development and investment into clean energy technology makes alternative energies more efficient and more attractive to competitors, it to will benefit from higher competition and economies of scale? I am not saying this would happen over night, but over time it can
@13lackLight There will be market reactions. But there doesn't seem to be much cause to believe that we will ever have as much energy as cheaply from the high technology-intensive methods we are hinting at as we have from pulling fossils out of the ground and burning them (not the least because the precious metals we use to make renewable energies are already nearing peak.) An economic system that demands infinite, constant growth will not likely survive those realities.
@biry0501 Could the same be said about the functions those precious metals perform? Can some other method be developed to generate energy? Also I am pretty sure experts have claimed that we are reaching peak oil many times over the last several decades (IIRC, in WW2 the Americans thought there was only like 4 years worth of oil left and wanted to end the war before that happened.)
@13lackLight Well, the very first real prediction was the Hubbard Peak prediction in the 1950s and so far he has been dead-on accurate in that national peak oil was in the early 70s. And now he is pretty accurate about when global peal oil is occurring.
@biry0501 I would posit that some of those "risky drilling endeavors" (e.g. deep water drilling) are due in part to moratoriums(or outright bans) on drilling in areas that would be much safer to drill in but deemed to be more "environmentally sensitive" and thus discussion is shut down due to broad "environmental concerns" no matter how many safety systems are put in place to avert catastrophe.
You seem to have been misinformed. History shows that REPUBLICANS have actually done more for the enviornment than democrates. Teddy Roosevelt teamed with John Muir (founder of the Sierra Club) for wilderness conservation policies in the USA. In 2006, Bush proposed his 1.2 billion dollar Hydrogen Fuel Cell plan that was suppose to find new alternatives in the clean energy market. In 2010, it was Obama who actually cut that bill. Liberals have yet to give credit to Bush for doing that.
@AZsportshut Republicans have not always been Conservative. Both parties have shifted their ideals over time. Credit should absolutely be given where it is due, the issue is where the parties are NOW.
@biry0501, good video critique. Could you please add links in the video description of the sources you mentioned? Right now the description only says "This is a response to Mr. Lee Doren's 'Dear Young Liberals on YouTube'". Thanks.
That was absolutely amazing. Nice Job. Great points On Oil and the developing world. And great job touching on the impossibility of the industrial revolutions of 3rd world countries. Very Enlightening.
CIA182 5 days ago
Say i create a product, people line up to give me 20 dollar bills for it because my product is worth more than 20 dollars to them and i give them the products because the 20 dollars is worth more to me than my product, which, by the way, means society as a whole has become more wealthy. Please explain to me what gives you the right to send thugs to my house and take what i have earned at gun point.
xcvsdxvsx 2 weeks ago
Poster, fisrt get out of your head the notion of "Green" energy. This is a complete fairy tail. It takes gigawatts of brown energy to crate one megawatt of green. Also "green" energy is not without finite and resources . Additionally the Green movement is scitzoid. First they want wind power then oppose wind farm construction. As for global warming now called climate change has nothing to do with mankind. In science you do not create a theory and try to find evidence to prove it.
Robbob9933 2 weeks ago
Your rambling. Get your ideas clear in your head and try again.
Goohuman 3 weeks ago
@Goohuman Sorry you couldn't follow.
biry0501 3 weeks ago
@biry0501 I can follow just fine. I'm just not going to waste my time listening to you meander aimlessly through loosely connected ideas. Try writing an outline. That works for me.
Goohuman 2 weeks ago
biry0501 In regards to electric cars. Right now in the US most of our electricity is WASTED during the night time. It's more economical to keep them running as a result 80% of the US cars could be powered with existing plants charged at night. That also doesn't take into account how many people could charge cars with alternative energy. I have a stream by my house if I put a generator on it, I could power a car off the grid. The only issue is the cost of electric / hybrid cars.
TheZoonib 3 weeks ago
biry0501 you are assuming the guy you posted to this reply to is not lying. Many young Republicans will try to work their way up the Political ranks by getting exposure. They will talk about false regurgitated talking points that are proven false. Watch "Gasland" where many states blocked corporate drilling due to dishonest and dangerous practices by a free market corporation (Halliburton)
TheZoonib 3 weeks ago
I really wanted to listen to your whole video, but you talk too softly. Even with my laptop speakers all the way up I can barely hear you. Please speak up!
edwardkarl 1 month ago
ABORTION IS FUCKING HORRIBLE!!! RON PAUL 2012!!!
CCPcakes 1 month ago
I am curious to see the correlation between the development of new technologies and the implementation of either liberalism or conservatism. Any thoughts on this? Please reply.
thefdaisreallystupid 1 month ago
@thefdaisreallystupid The point was that people who live in suburban lifestyles get more conservative with age—city people do not follow that same trend. With fossil fuels on the decline people will have to live closer together. As that happens, people will move to the left as tehy get older.
biry0501 3 weeks ago
I have to say that I am the same, I became more of a leftist as I got older. Although I am moderately leftist. I support the free market, but with a regulated currency and a fair tax system.
The main problem with the likes of Lee Doren is that they tend to defend unregulated capitalism based on nothing but social inertia. The idea that because capitalism worked centuries ago when the population was tiny and there was no health & safety laws, then it must still work now. Well, it simply doesn't.
ec123456789able 2 months ago
@ec123456789able Mr. Doreen and those like him ascribe to an ideology with totality. They do to capitalism what Trotsky and Lenin did to socialism. Such a quest for ideological purity always ends in disaster. And I am not sure that raw capitalism has ever worked for more than just a very few people in a society—and never will—just as with other proposed system. So I agree, we need a mixed economy.
I haven't met anyone on the left who is as ideological as on the right...
biry0501 2 months ago
@biry0501 I totally agree. They do seem to want ideological purity.
The way I see it, whether people are right-wing or left-wing, if they are unable to concede points from the opposing arguments and they are dogmatic in their beliefs then they will never end up with a logical and fair reasoned conclusion.
I label myself as a leftist because I lean to the left rather firmly, but I am still able to see the merits of certain right-wing positions and am not a demagogue like Lee Doren.
ec123456789able 2 months ago
I think you touched on something important here though. In urban areas, I've noticed that some will to the Left the longer they stay in those environments, especially if it's where they grew up. On the other hand, if they get out of that environment into a less populace one then the situation Lee detailed seems much more common.
My theory is that the sheer population makes it "easier" to raise tax rates marginally to fund all sorts of social programs that people just get accustomed to them.
MerlinYoda 2 months ago
Any study that claims we will "run out" of oil at some certain date is making the implicit assumption that we have already found all the oil there is. That seems to be a very shaky assumption to base such an important issue on.
Also the better question to ask as far as climate change (or "global warming", etc) is not whether the climate is markedly changing but whether *we* a prime cause in that or whether is is due to some other externality (e.g. increased solar output).
MerlinYoda 2 months ago
@MerlinYoda ...wow. think about this. oil does not naturally generate. it does not duplicate itself or randomly appear. like gold, and diamond, and emerald, it is FINITE. and unlike gems, there isn't a way to make artificial oil. no matter what, oil will run out. it could be 6 decades, or 4 years, but it is bad planning to just wait until the fucking apocolypse before doing something about a problem.
98donkeydude 2 months ago
@98donkeydude Oil does "naturally generate"; it's just at an *extremely* slow rate (called "fossil fuel" for a reason). Also, if diamonds can be generated using heat and pressure it stands to reason that oil could be "generated" in a similar fashion (whether it's actually feasible is another matter). You still didn't address the assumption though. There could be enough gas/oil for 6 centuries if we've only barely scratched the surface. That doesn't exclude developing alternative energy sources.
MerlinYoda 2 months ago
@MerlinYoda very well made point. I disagree one a couple things though. we have done about as much as we can do without seriously damaging the enviroment. And rather than just digging everywhere and hoping to find more oil, why not stop now? if we have not just
"scratched the surface" we could be in serious trouble. And even so, it is not that simple. maybe there is a large oil spring somewhere. but chances are it does not belong to america.
98donkeydude 1 month ago
@98donkeydude It would certainly be a bit of a cruel cosmic joke if there was, say, a gigantic cache of oil burred just under the surface in Antarctica. Still, we have resources available domestically (or at least much closer than the Middle East) that we are not fully utilizing that could be available to us with little or no environmental impact. We should be making use of those while new energy sources can be adapted to become more feasible and affordable.
MerlinYoda 1 month ago
@MerlinYoda True, but we could be using less oil. using oil at all already has an enviromental impact, not to mention getting it. and if there was oil in antarctica it would not be ours to take. in fact, if there is oil anywhere outside the united states it is not ours to take.
98donkeydude 1 month ago
@98donkeydude Heh, if there was oil in Antarctica then every nation would be screwed out of it as long as those multi-nation treaty concerning Antarctica held up.
Until alternate sources (including nuclear) can provide a sufficient base energy supply. Fossil fuels are going to comprise the bulk of our energy consumption.
MerlinYoda 1 month ago
@MerlinYoda I am absolutely certain we will not 'run out' of oil. But that's irrelevant. The question is whether the amount of fossil fuel energy production will be able to meet the infinite growth paradigm of our current economic system into perpetuity . Simple logic says no. Aside from statistics, if you want to know if we are at peak oil, look at the behavior of oil powers. Increasingly risky drilling endeavors, more expensive projects, erratic behavior of oil producing states...
biry0501 2 months ago
@biry0501 Won't the rising price of oil act as a way to make alternative energies more profitable?
13lackLight 2 months ago
@13lackLight To a very limited extent. But we cannot assume that we will ever get 'alternative' energy as cheaply or as abundantly as we have from fossil fuels. It's not like butter where we can just make more margarine as quickly as dairy prices rise. Alternative energy is expensive, more complicated, and highly regional. We are not going to fuel 200 million cars with that or light up and heat/cool suburbia.
biry0501 2 months ago
@biry0501 But could that also be that, since fossil fuels are still the cheaper route, a lot more capital has been invested and that it benefits from higher competition and economies of scale? As fossil fuels become expensive, and development and investment into clean energy technology makes alternative energies more efficient and more attractive to competitors, it to will benefit from higher competition and economies of scale? I am not saying this would happen over night, but over time it can
13lackLight 2 months ago
@13lackLight There will be market reactions. But there doesn't seem to be much cause to believe that we will ever have as much energy as cheaply from the high technology-intensive methods we are hinting at as we have from pulling fossils out of the ground and burning them (not the least because the precious metals we use to make renewable energies are already nearing peak.) An economic system that demands infinite, constant growth will not likely survive those realities.
biry0501 2 months ago
@biry0501 Could the same be said about the functions those precious metals perform? Can some other method be developed to generate energy? Also I am pretty sure experts have claimed that we are reaching peak oil many times over the last several decades (IIRC, in WW2 the Americans thought there was only like 4 years worth of oil left and wanted to end the war before that happened.)
13lackLight 2 months ago
@13lackLight Well, the very first real prediction was the Hubbard Peak prediction in the 1950s and so far he has been dead-on accurate in that national peak oil was in the early 70s. And now he is pretty accurate about when global peal oil is occurring.
biry0501 2 months ago
@biry0501 I would posit that some of those "risky drilling endeavors" (e.g. deep water drilling) are due in part to moratoriums(or outright bans) on drilling in areas that would be much safer to drill in but deemed to be more "environmentally sensitive" and thus discussion is shut down due to broad "environmental concerns" no matter how many safety systems are put in place to avert catastrophe.
MerlinYoda 2 months ago
As you got older, you got dumber.
Tsugua21 3 months ago
@Tsugua21 Okay, thanks for that. Now that you got that out of your system, do you have something worth writing to say?
biry0501 3 months ago 4
love this video : )
dignerds 4 months ago
You seem to have been misinformed. History shows that REPUBLICANS have actually done more for the enviornment than democrates. Teddy Roosevelt teamed with John Muir (founder of the Sierra Club) for wilderness conservation policies in the USA. In 2006, Bush proposed his 1.2 billion dollar Hydrogen Fuel Cell plan that was suppose to find new alternatives in the clean energy market. In 2010, it was Obama who actually cut that bill. Liberals have yet to give credit to Bush for doing that.
AZsportshut 5 months ago
@AZsportshut A little off topic...
biry0501 5 months ago
@AZsportshut Republicans have not always been Conservative. Both parties have shifted their ideals over time. Credit should absolutely be given where it is due, the issue is where the parties are NOW.
sydthukid 3 months ago
when a conservative party wins in europe, you can't even compare it to the american conservatives...
Darusdei 8 months ago
@Darusdei You can't even compare it to American Liberals ;)
garethmdawson 7 months ago
great video....pretty much said all i wanted to
theDerailled1 9 months ago
@biry0501, good video critique. Could you please add links in the video description of the sources you mentioned? Right now the description only says "This is a response to Mr. Lee Doren's 'Dear Young Liberals on YouTube'". Thanks.
ZangaroZen 9 months ago
@ZangaroZen I added a couple. I hope it helps.
biry0501 9 months ago