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the were never meant to be compared against each other! (and by the way: the caesar radar, and even the captor radar, make the stealth abilities of the F-22 pretty much useless, and the F-22 has similar radar systems)
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could you please shut the fuck up? All together?
The Raptor would win a BVR fight, and even in WVR it would have a great chance to stand against the EF, i'm not american, and i don't like this fact, since i'm about to become a Eurofighter Pilot. EF and F-22 have been built for different roles, they fulfill different objects, and while the EF is able to fulfill every Objective at a very good level, the F-22 is perfect for Air superiority, and bad in other parts...
@Inklebon Super sonic agility is mainly where the EF has the edge over other fighters. They do in fact have protoype TVN engines for the EF but that has more to do with improving supercruise capability (TVN saves fuel when in this mode). If the EF can keep the fight at super sonic speeds then it will beat most other jets as it can sustain 9g better than other jets. But ofc, as you start to add munitions this agility takes a hit which is why the T3A will come with new engines -10% power increase
@Beatnikful The Eurofighters EMC systems are so dense the Gripen would need to be within 30/40km (depending on weather, altitude. etc) before they could even lock on.
Now multiply that range by nearly four and that's the new Metor AA missle that can engage most, if not all targets at it's max range (Except the new Stealth aircraft in full stealth mode)
Also, the Typhoon looks better, even before I start ranting on about the other many capabilities.
dont ever tell me i dont know what im saying when i know im way more educated in aviation than yourself, go read your anti american comments and look yourself in the mirrior and say this world will never change with people like me. good luck in life
ok, your a 12 year old kid, very uneducated about anything what you read and hear is what you believe before actually doing research. Im done with you seeing how your just a child that can barely understand the mechanics of flight let alone other countries in this world.
On topic for this video the eurofighter is outstanding in every way, its designed as a multi role fighter for all types of combat, the F-22 is an air supiority fighter designed to kill anything in the sky, even the typhoon.
I like you, funny guy. Sad thing is I probably work out more than you, while all you can do is sit on your chair ranting stero typical nonsense. Worst thing is you have probably never even been to america. Think before you say anything, dont want to make yourself look like more of an idiot.
Stealth aircraft have a greatly reduce signature they have a signature and there lies the weakness! In the UK, France, Netherlands, Germany all have world-class scientists that have to a large degree over-come the reduced radar signature.. If they have? Its certain, Russia has! USA underestimated Russia with regards to Space technology over history gone by! The stealth gamble is a dangerous path to tread. Stealth plane cost, Vs Radar technology development costs?
An F-117 stealth bomber got shot down by a Serbian SAM launcher in the 90s. If the anti-air guys are specifically looking for the 'stealth' aircraft like the Serbians were, planes like the F-117 or B-2 could be a sitting duck...
The F-117 was shot down because the aircraft had an Achilles heal, the surface loses a lot of stealth ability once it gets wet. I think that problem may have been solved
Hey shutup, the F-22 can be seen on radar but it takes abit longer then other planes... Also, the typhoon has a stealthy build (1/4 the radar signature of the Tornado) but it just isn't as stealthy as the F-22
em745aa, I think that's what is commonly reffered to as an 'unsubstantiated rumour'. ;)
Funny how your so keen on pointing out stories posted on internet forums but not those from respected aviation publications ? -
"There was little surprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate the Within Visual Range fight, but the aircraft did cause a surprise by getting a radar lock on the F-22 at a surprisingly long range."
"The F-22s reportedly cried off, claiming that they were unstealthed anyway, although the next days scheduled two versus two BVR engagement was cancelled, and the USAF decided that they didnt want to play anymore
"When this incident was reported on a website frequented by front-line RAF aircrew a senior RAF officer urged an end to the conversation on security grounds."
International Air Power Review, Volume 20, Airtime Publishing 2006
it took 4 countries to make this plain oops plane.... and itʻs STILL less then the GRAND SLAM F-22 RAPTOR..... i mean the F-35 would beat this plane silly... F-22 is in a class by itʻs self..... i let the truth be told... sorry euroboys...
Whenever USA gov. spends a lot of money and the results suck, they tell the advertising folks to fix it by making it look as the best thing in the world. F-117 was supposed to be invisible on radar. It got shot down in Serbia (i think). F-22 is invisible until somebody shots it down. Oh, and don't forget technology advances and if Russians can't see it on their old radars they'll build new ones.
whoopdee fuckin doo... they both have there uses. Whats well thought out and badly thought. Lets see you design a plane better than typhoon on a mickey mouse budget and come up with someone as good as typhoon. Oh i know its well thought out because its american??? LOLOLOL....i love USA but fucking hell. Reduce the size of your nutsack please. Stop waving the proverbial fist at everyone!
The Typhoon really looks mikey-mouse. I mean honestly - if you look at the planes side by side the F-22 looks well thought out from tip to top. The Typhoon looks like a lot of afterthoughts. It is like a Mustang compared to the new Vette (yeah - I said Vette not Ferrari). The Mustang is a decent car for most blokes but it doesn't have the smooth lines like the Vette.
A well thought out technical critique. Nice comparison with two of the world's best cars from a nation that is famous for the performance and engineering of it's automotive products. ;-)
F22 has stealth, so no arguments about that, but side by side in visual combat the Eurofighter eats the F22 and licks the plate clean! That's not even up for debate, it's just FACT! Budget wise, I think you have to hand it to the Euros and seeing as there probably won't be a Euro V US conflict then you have to say that the Eurofighter is the most well thought-out plane by quite some margin! P.S. The F22 looks like something out of Transformers, doesn't have Euros smooth lines, DAAAAWG!
This look's like another Eurofighter video with F22 Vs Eurofighter debate, why are people getting offensive, all i will say is they both have positive and negative aspect's, both have certain area's of advantage over each other, both are brilliant Aircraft, some American's (99.9%) are a bit big headed, same with some British people, again probably 99.9%. I'm British and i don't have a problem with the american's, most of them are nice people.
oi dumb fucktard. Not everyones war hungry or trigger happy like you man. Theres no need to shoot anyone down as long as they leave the airspace. No one wants war. Theyve been here many times and they get redirected back towards Russia. They never get to reach Scotland cause the radar picks them up very early. I live in the UK i would know whats going on. Why shoot them down so world war 3 can start??? Get real. Not everyone thinks like that.
Brits are next to Russia. And it seems Eurofighter sees more action than F22. What does F22 do apart from sit at base in Langley. Eurofighter gets used to fend of Russian bombers. All these debates are hilarious. F22 will never be used for anything more than an airshow or defence of US airspace.
Ya never know, blademanx. An F-22 deployment to UK someday supplementing an F-15 squad, may back up some extreme Typhoons escorting those bombers back out to sea?
Gotta respect that high-alpha EF - no question. Simply beautiful machine. Can't wait to see the tranche 3!
LOL what??? How many bombers has it shot down? NONE. I'm not sure why you're talking as if this is a plane that has seen combat. It is doing the same thing the F22 is doing at the moment: Training Missions. And what the hell are you talking about, Russian bombers??? Since when did the Russians take a vested interest in the UK to the extent that they would want to BOMB it? Has ANYONE here heard of Russia trying to bomb the UK???? Stupid drunk 'tard. At least make SOME sense if you post.
you should all compare efa to american f22...there's no way to see efa like a hard competitor versus f22 ! f22 is the most developed, powerful air-to air fully stealth fighter operative into the sky.
vocal commands, stealthness, supercruise speed,lcd high definition display,esm-ecm-eccm f22 equipment are better in all sector than european efa...
pirate could discovery quite well an f22...but f22 can kill easier efa in dogfight and of course bvr combat
And the F-22 isn't maneuverable? AS for this tired pissing contest. The F-22 is superior in A2A combat. While the EF is a multi-role platform. But probably has the edge in WVR due to an IRST system.
efa-f2000 typhoon is a joint european aircraft developed and produced right to be a true ace into bvr combat..it's an incredible air-to air fighter, but only after tranche 3...tranche 1-2 are not fully capable to operate( they've not captor,iris-it-aesa radar,meteor compatibility ...).
pirate will be deployed only on german-british aircraft...so where will be european compatibility between air forces? we cannot forget how efa will be european standard aircraft..
and also let me point out that the one thing I've learned from debates is that there's enough information to prove ANYONE's point. The reality is the real things that will make one better than the other probably aren't public information
hahaha I'm an American and I must say BEAUTIFULLY owned :))) I think the F-22's better, but the Typhoon is still AMAZING! And I like it. I am VERY glad it's on our side as well. Just know meggabigpants that not all Americans are like that. The ones flying the jets usually aren't as well
Everyone - You simply cannot argue the typhoon against the Raptor, because the Raptor has better specifications in every aspect. It is faster, flies higher, flies longer, has better radar (AESA), has better data-linking, has longer range weapons, has JHMCS (pilot only has to look at the typhoon and the sidewinder will pull 50G to hit it) and yes, it more maneuverable due to far more powerful engines and thrust vectoring. And than stealth, and sorry but the typhoon CAN'T see it from the front.
randomname118, Even if you could say the F-22 is overall the better fighter it's still not better in all areas. Both have a top speed above Mach 2, with the exact top-speeds of both aircraft being classified. Both can also supercruise at mach 1.5 with an AtA loadout, although some people suspect the F-22 is capable of supercruise at higher speeds than the EF.
The Typhoon and F-22 both currently carry the AIM-120C5, but when the AIM-120D and Meteor enter operational service the EF will have the longer ranging weapon of the two.
"has JHMCS (pilot only has to look at the typhoon and the sidewinder will pull 50G to hit it) and yes"
The F-22 doesn't currently have JHMCS, and it isn't planned to be integrated either, it also currently lacks integration of AIM-9X. The EF on the other hand has the most advanced HMD in the world, and already carries two of the most advanced SRAAM's in the world, ASRAAM and IRIS-T. The ability that you described is something that the Typhoon has and F-22 currently lacks.
"is the hmd fully intergrated in the typhoon?(full capability on all modes?)"
I know that HEA is being used on some RAF Typhoon's, not sure about which modes are available right now but even the basic functionality should be comparable to that available with JHMCS anyway.
"the concortium takes it easy on that."
Well HEA is BAE developed, but IMO it appears that Eurofighter GmbH 'takes it easy' on pretty much every issue, that's the biggest problem with the plane. :(
"more maneuverable due to far more powerful engines and thrust vectoring"
Both are highly maneuverable, but despite the F-22 having more powerful engines the EF has higher t/w ratio, and being the smaller plane means it tends gain energy back faster after maneuvering. Thrust Vectoring gives the F-22 unmatched maneuverability at low-speeds and high angles of attack, but the Typhoons highly unstable airframe gives it agility is second to none at higher speeds; so it's difficult to compare.
"And than stealth, and sorry but the typhoon CAN'T see it from the front."
Let's not forget though that the Typhoon has the lowest RCS of any fighter other than the F-22, and in reality the F-22 would have to remain undetected not only by the EF's own radar but also by it's passive sensors e.g. PIRATE, ESM and a network of data-linked sensors which the EF's pilot can exploit to detect the F-22.
Typical American overconfidence + mouth. Dont you think we know our onjectives in Europe. In WW2 we sorted out YOUR dated crates for you. We've just scrapped (not invented) the worlds only supersonic airliner.
Korean Mig-15's with British jet engines out climbed + manouvered your "superior" Sabres.
I hope they never fight, but BIG MOUTHS will never out perform centuries of knowledge.
Go play football with all that padding on to keep your manly body all "safe" you fool.
Typhoon is a conventional aircraft.The F-22 would have spotted it, locked on to it, and shot it down before the pilot knew what was going on. As far as dog fights go..it depends on the pilots involved. The F-22 doesn't "dog fight" because it doesn't have to. MiG-29's have been shot down each and every time by F-15's for the same reasons. The MiG-29 can perform more drastic aerial maneuvers and seems like a better dog fighter, however the F-15 simply out performs it in an air superiority role.
really?????wow!!so,what the Preatorian system does?just is installed in the plane for fun?how is the raptor going to detect and lock on the ef without preatorian knowing nothing?EF has the ability to reveal LPI active sensors.the DASS+(now renamed to preatorian+) will be even better.
I guess its possible if you eliminate radar, and guided missiles which is what a dog fight entails. Unfortunately we no longer design combat aircraft according to WW2 standards. The F-22 is a stealth aircraft, its radar signature is the size of a honey bee so good luck finding it in the air, and then locking on to it. The F-22 has the ability to lock on and shoot down enemy aircraft from over 100 miles away.
Typhoon has the ability to detect stealth aircraft by sharing information with other Typhoons from bombarding the target from different angles with radar pulses. Plus dog fighting does include guided missiles you moron...that's what Sidewinder, ASRAAM, Archer etc are for...
Samuraikensai - I'm not sure you understand how radar works - if a flight of F-22s approach a flight of typhoons, the typhoons can't really bombard anything with radar from any direction other than the direction they are coming from. Hitting it from a little to the left won't make any difference. Even if it could see the raptor, it won't see it before the raptor sees the typhoon, and seeing as how the F-22 has beat 4 F-15s in a dogfight I find it hard to believe the typhoons would ever kill ONE.
The only simulation I can think of was the computer simulation using guns only. The typhoon according to the computer beats the raptor 8 out of 10. That's with bullets ppl. When is the last time a jet used bullets? In reality the typhoon would have burned to the ground long before it even knew the raptor was coming. If you people don't knkow this I'm sorry read a book. Screw the interweb, open a book.
"The typhoon according to the computer beats the raptor 8 out of 10."
I'm not sure which simulation your referring to gvjuiceman but if you mean the DERA Joust simulations ran in the mid-ninties that was almost entirely centered around BVR combat. In that simulation each aircraft was pitted against a hypothetical advanced SU-3X variant similar to the SU-30MKI, the F-22 scored an overall combat effectiveness rating of 91% and the Typhoon scored 82%, the F-16 in comparison scored 21%.
ok, first off, get a grip mate, it is THE MISSILE wich it fires, they ( typhoon and F22) both can carry BVR missiles, BOTH have the range. you say planes are not built for WW2 now, yes, but you are obviosly mistaken in beliving that air-to-air combat always occures at 100+ miles away. if so, why the fuck are new ASRAAM, and AMRAAMs being produced? im not saying F22 is bad by no means. but you have twisted the argument into propaganda.
But Typhoon's Meteor missile is superior to AIM-120D as it isn't a modification but an entirely new-tech missile. And have you heard of warning sensors? The Typhoon would detect the missile lock and launch even if it didn't detect the plane, therefore being able to deploy countermeasures and use it's (unmatched) maneuverability to evade the missile. And if the F-22 doesn't dog fight, why does it have vectored thrust???? And,yes the F-15 is better than Mig-29 but not Su-27!
"F-22 drops a jet 200 miles out. I'd like to see the typhoon pull that shit off."
gvjuiceman, The F-22 isn't going to be dropping anything from 200 miles out let alone the Typhoon, I don't think you realise how much of an exaggeration that is.
As for the Typhoon, using Meteor it will be capable of hitting a maneuvering target 60+ miles out, giving it an engagement envelope which is unrivaled. ;)
MrPikon - I'm not sure you have done your research. The AIM-120D (the F-22s main weapon) has a range of over 120 miles. Granted it isn't 200 but it's more than that of the meteor. Add to that the fact that the typhoon won't see the F-22 at 60 miles and even if it could it wouldn't see the F-22 before the F-22 saw IT. The F-22 is faster, has more powerful engines, has a greater range, carries more fuel, is more agile (yes) and has JHMCS, it doesn't even have to point at the typhoon to hit it.
I don't know wtf you dorks are talking about the typhoon took an f-22 in a simulated dog fight... Who was the pilot, where was he trained. Every simulated dog fight I have ever seen/read about the f-22 has taken the gold. You dorks are full of it.
you cac see both eurofighter and rafale in paris airshow and everybody well agree that rafale is more agile tham eurofighter..and i heard from italian pilot how flown mirage 2000 that eurofighter not have that good flight control as mirage 2000....that i say rafale is the best then gripen...why gripen becouse they beat eurofighter in dogfight...
What's amazing is how he doesn't even have to keep the plane down initially to pick up speed before climbing, he just continues the take-off rotation straight into a vertical climb like a rocket, and the plane just keeps accelerating in the vertical to 3000ft; and that's with a combat load !
i dont like it they tried to copy the french rafale but unlike the rafale the design here is a shame......and the rafale is a multirole aircraft is this one too
th eF-22 already took out the typhoon in simulated combat so the f-22 is better. u just can't see it because the brits r clouding ur head the typhoon is second and the su37 faild and doesn't exist anymore
Ummm no, Typhoon beat F-22 at NAS China Lake in 2005 - i'll send the link! I have also read the book with the article quoted - an AMERICAN book...a highly respected one too!
Turkey does not rule! my country came out with stealth. i'm even suprised that we are even letting any country have the F-35. but its not that special like the f-22 the f-35 is a modified f-16
The U.S is not even using F-22 in widespread use because it is so expensive. That is one of the reasons why they are coming out with the F-35, and as for the stealth tech yeah I really wonder why they gave that out to people, but for me that is a plus.
did i say stealth ant that mosquito was wooden so it did not reflect radar so the F-117 was a true stealth fighter. plus with the radar today the mosquito will show up on radar
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the were never meant to be compared against each other! (and by the way: the caesar radar, and even the captor radar, make the stealth abilities of the F-22 pretty much useless, and the F-22 has similar radar systems)
HESXENON 1 year ago
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could you please shut the fuck up? All together?
The Raptor would win a BVR fight, and even in WVR it would have a great chance to stand against the EF, i'm not american, and i don't like this fact, since i'm about to become a Eurofighter Pilot. EF and F-22 have been built for different roles, they fulfill different objects, and while the EF is able to fulfill every Objective at a very good level, the F-22 is perfect for Air superiority, and bad in other parts...
HESXENON 1 year ago
On the whole the Gripen is more popular than the EF, a bit unfair in my mind! : (
mrtrue1000 2 years ago
Thats very impressive for a plane withought thrust vectoring.
Inklebonker1 2 years ago
Are you Iranian/North Korean by birth and what are your citizen- ship? Dual?
mrtrue1000 2 years ago
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@Inklebon Super sonic agility is mainly where the EF has the edge over other fighters. They do in fact have protoype TVN engines for the EF but that has more to do with improving supercruise capability (TVN saves fuel when in this mode). If the EF can keep the fight at super sonic speeds then it will beat most other jets as it can sustain 9g better than other jets. But ofc, as you start to add munitions this agility takes a hit which is why the T3A will come with new engines -10% power increase
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
hahhahahaha xD
nice answer ... greez from russian germany :D
presidento1 2 years ago
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Check out the Gripen instead!!!
Beatnikful 2 years ago
its sucks man...
tasoscorsair 2 years ago
@Beatnikful The Eurofighters EMC systems are so dense the Gripen would need to be within 30/40km (depending on weather, altitude. etc) before they could even lock on.
Now multiply that range by nearly four and that's the new Metor AA missle that can engage most, if not all targets at it's max range (Except the new Stealth aircraft in full stealth mode)
Also, the Typhoon looks better, even before I start ranting on about the other many capabilities.
Sonnypjim09 8 months ago
dont ever tell me i dont know what im saying when i know im way more educated in aviation than yourself, go read your anti american comments and look yourself in the mirrior and say this world will never change with people like me. good luck in life
zackman40 2 years ago
ok, your a 12 year old kid, very uneducated about anything what you read and hear is what you believe before actually doing research. Im done with you seeing how your just a child that can barely understand the mechanics of flight let alone other countries in this world.
On topic for this video the eurofighter is outstanding in every way, its designed as a multi role fighter for all types of combat, the F-22 is an air supiority fighter designed to kill anything in the sky, even the typhoon.
zackman40 2 years ago
@zackman40 you not mean theory of flight? =S
jackisdacrac 2 years ago
I like you, funny guy. Sad thing is I probably work out more than you, while all you can do is sit on your chair ranting stero typical nonsense. Worst thing is you have probably never even been to america. Think before you say anything, dont want to make yourself look like more of an idiot.
zackman40 2 years ago
lol, i love you retarded stero typical europeans. dipshits
zackman40 2 years ago
retard who? HAHAHAHHAA
steliosoctavios 2 years ago 2
it's not sluggish........the eurofighter would win i a turning fight though.
grame141 2 years ago
Stealth aircraft have a greatly reduce signature they have a signature and there lies the weakness! In the UK, France, Netherlands, Germany all have world-class scientists that have to a large degree over-come the reduced radar signature.. If they have? Its certain, Russia has! USA underestimated Russia with regards to Space technology over history gone by! The stealth gamble is a dangerous path to tread. Stealth plane cost, Vs Radar technology development costs?
EuroGB123 3 years ago
An F-117 stealth bomber got shot down by a Serbian SAM launcher in the 90s. If the anti-air guys are specifically looking for the 'stealth' aircraft like the Serbians were, planes like the F-117 or B-2 could be a sitting duck...
Jaffacakekill3r 2 years ago
The F-117 was shot down because the aircraft had an Achilles heal, the surface loses a lot of stealth ability once it gets wet. I think that problem may have been solved
bluewolf20 2 years ago
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bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllshit! Raptor is much better!
xF22Raptorx 3 years ago
firemen are needed to open raptors canopy, and they use chainsaw... ;)
tasoscorsair 3 years ago
it's not seen on the radar
better said it's not seen from the missiles
battlewalkerj0k3r 3 years ago
Hey shutup, the F-22 can be seen on radar but it takes abit longer then other planes... Also, the typhoon has a stealthy build (1/4 the radar signature of the Tornado) but it just isn't as stealthy as the F-22
CopywrightMyAss 3 years ago 2
in dogfight it is... but not in stelthabilitys...
and in the modern wars dogfight is gone...
battlewalkerj0k3r 3 years ago
i'm just building this shit :D
battlewalkerj0k3r 3 years ago
did annyone elso notice the fin constantly adjusting itself?
vanillafudge123 3 years ago
it doesn't
battlewalkerj0k3r 3 years ago
look closely when on the cockpit view, I'm pretty sure it does
vanillafudge123 3 years ago
fwhoe fwhoe fwhoe!!!!!
50N1C800M 3 years ago
Just all stfu. No Raptor will ever lock onto a typhoon. stfu. seriously.
Mustang1204 3 years ago
-"Just all stfu. No Raptor will ever lock onto a typhoon. stfu. seriously."
ww2aircraft.n et/forum/modern/f-22-vs-12344-9.html#post351443
:)
em745aa 3 years ago
I mean in a combat situation. Also it should be pointed out that the F-22 is 5.gen and the EF is 4.5. gen.
Mustang1204 3 years ago
em745aa, I think that's what is commonly reffered to as an 'unsubstantiated rumour'. ;)
Funny how your so keen on pointing out stories posted on internet forums but not those from respected aviation publications ? -
"There was little surprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate the Within Visual Range fight, but the aircraft did cause a surprise by getting a radar lock on the F-22 at a surprisingly long range."
MrPikon 3 years ago
(cont.)
"The F-22s reportedly cried off, claiming that they were unstealthed anyway, although the next days scheduled two versus two BVR engagement was cancelled, and the USAF decided that they didnt want to play anymore
"When this incident was reported on a website frequented by front-line RAF aircrew a senior RAF officer urged an end to the conversation on security grounds."
International Air Power Review, Volume 20, Airtime Publishing 2006
MrPikon 3 years ago
beautiful !!!
ludiaelen 3 years ago
i own one...i fly it every weekend! ducted fan typhoon...(sapac)
50N1C800M 3 years ago
why does he make it look so easy!!!
LP640roadster 3 years ago
because it is man :)
tasoscorsair 3 years ago
the most important and difficult parts are from germany.....
Absinth2k 3 years ago 2
I hope I fly a eurofighter typhoon when i join the RAF!!
JVson001 3 years ago
forgot to tell us how to turn the engine on.
jesoby 3 years ago 2
you know that is just how i fly my ef. weird a?
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it took 4 countries to make this plain oops plane.... and itʻs STILL less then the GRAND SLAM F-22 RAPTOR..... i mean the F-35 would beat this plane silly... F-22 is in a class by itʻs self..... i let the truth be told... sorry euroboys...
cherylz1 3 years ago
Too much propaganda in your brain m8..
sleep well...
XJigshawX 3 years ago 2
international air power review 2006. eurofighter was way better than the F-22.
alistairarthur 3 years ago
Well, it took you 50 States to build the Raptor... And do I have to recall you that its efficiency is still under controversy ?
Drashqaar 3 years ago
Whenever USA gov. spends a lot of money and the results suck, they tell the advertising folks to fix it by making it look as the best thing in the world. F-117 was supposed to be invisible on radar. It got shot down in Serbia (i think). F-22 is invisible until somebody shots it down. Oh, and don't forget technology advances and if Russians can't see it on their old radars they'll build new ones.
jackatube 3 years ago
That radar system already exists.
alistairarthur 3 years ago
and a French company invented it
tasoscorsair 3 years ago
lol
wank0r 3 years ago
the only guy to fly both ef and raptor says its "like compareing nas car to f1" so ef wins hands down. f1 is much better than nas car.
patsyd80 3 years ago 2
The series production of the Eurofighter Typhoon is now underway. The aircraft has entered service with the German Luftwaffe (Jagdgeschwader 74)
I've seen them!!!!!!!!! =D
DerReclaimer117 3 years ago
Shit this thing flew that in dry power?? I know a few birds that would need to do close as possible to that flight mostly in AB? Respects.
gigisup 3 years ago
Yes, as the english flys peter pan's without pants, hahaha
pumpofthevolume 3 years ago
whoopdee fuckin doo... they both have there uses. Whats well thought out and badly thought. Lets see you design a plane better than typhoon on a mickey mouse budget and come up with someone as good as typhoon. Oh i know its well thought out because its american??? LOLOLOL....i love USA but fucking hell. Reduce the size of your nutsack please. Stop waving the proverbial fist at everyone!
blademanx 3 years ago
erm...whoever told u EF was american design is probably the same american who says "we saved the british in 2 world wars" and "we won vietnam"
when in actual fact
EF IS MADE BY
BAe (UK), MBB and Dornier (Germany), Aeritalia (Italy), and CASA (Spain)
and is also used in austria and saudi arabia (ordered, not made by them 2)
note the name "EUROfighter"
lol
tell watever american if he bullshits lyk that, he must be jealous of UK, an to stop bein a fukin lyin patriot!
petacavanagh 3 years ago 2
The Typhoon really looks mikey-mouse. I mean honestly - if you look at the planes side by side the F-22 looks well thought out from tip to top. The Typhoon looks like a lot of afterthoughts. It is like a Mustang compared to the new Vette (yeah - I said Vette not Ferrari). The Mustang is a decent car for most blokes but it doesn't have the smooth lines like the Vette.
solenoise 3 years ago
A well thought out technical critique. Nice comparison with two of the world's best cars from a nation that is famous for the performance and engineering of it's automotive products. ;-)
t43562 3 years ago
F22 has stealth, so no arguments about that, but side by side in visual combat the Eurofighter eats the F22 and licks the plate clean! That's not even up for debate, it's just FACT! Budget wise, I think you have to hand it to the Euros and seeing as there probably won't be a Euro V US conflict then you have to say that the Eurofighter is the most well thought-out plane by quite some margin! P.S. The F22 looks like something out of Transformers, doesn't have Euros smooth lines, DAAAAWG!
tricky1025 3 years ago
This look's like another Eurofighter video with F22 Vs Eurofighter debate, why are people getting offensive, all i will say is they both have positive and negative aspect's, both have certain area's of advantage over each other, both are brilliant Aircraft, some American's (99.9%) are a bit big headed, same with some British people, again probably 99.9%. I'm British and i don't have a problem with the american's, most of them are nice people.
But why is there this rivalry
blackburnbuccaneer94 3 years ago 2
Your absolutely right on!
f4201 3 years ago 2
oi dumb fucktard. Not everyones war hungry or trigger happy like you man. Theres no need to shoot anyone down as long as they leave the airspace. No one wants war. Theyve been here many times and they get redirected back towards Russia. They never get to reach Scotland cause the radar picks them up very early. I live in the UK i would know whats going on. Why shoot them down so world war 3 can start??? Get real. Not everyone thinks like that.
blademanx 3 years ago
Wow takeoff speed 130mph isnt that amazing?
Ersp84 3 years ago
I think it's 130 knots instead
raven1234 3 years ago
Brits are next to Russia. And it seems Eurofighter sees more action than F22. What does F22 do apart from sit at base in Langley. Eurofighter gets used to fend of Russian bombers. All these debates are hilarious. F22 will never be used for anything more than an airshow or defence of US airspace.
blademanx 3 years ago 2
Ya never know, blademanx. An F-22 deployment to UK someday supplementing an F-15 squad, may back up some extreme Typhoons escorting those bombers back out to sea?
Gotta respect that high-alpha EF - no question. Simply beautiful machine. Can't wait to see the tranche 3!
Cheers.
gigisup 3 years ago
"Eurofighter gets used to fend of Russian bombers" As did the F22.
jayers2 3 years ago
Same thing, to fend off Russian bombers from Alaska.
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago
LOL what??? How many bombers has it shot down? NONE. I'm not sure why you're talking as if this is a plane that has seen combat. It is doing the same thing the F22 is doing at the moment: Training Missions. And what the hell are you talking about, Russian bombers??? Since when did the Russians take a vested interest in the UK to the extent that they would want to BOMB it? Has ANYONE here heard of Russia trying to bomb the UK???? Stupid drunk 'tard. At least make SOME sense if you post.
rtrThanos 3 years ago
and my apologies for the caps.
Yannis81 3 years ago
you should all compare efa to american f22...there's no way to see efa like a hard competitor versus f22 ! f22 is the most developed, powerful air-to air fully stealth fighter operative into the sky.
vocal commands, stealthness, supercruise speed,lcd high definition display,esm-ecm-eccm f22 equipment are better in all sector than european efa...
pirate could discovery quite well an f22...but f22 can kill easier efa in dogfight and of course bvr combat
frodo833 3 years ago
"vocal commands, stealthness, supercruise speed,lcd high definition display,esm-ecm-eccm f22 equipment are better in all sector than european efa..."
YOU FORGOT THE CD MP3/DVD PLAYER WITH PLASMA MONITOR AND THE 450WATT WOOFERS...
DUDE IN A DOGFIGHT MANAUVERABILITY GIVES U THE UPPER HAND.I VOTE FOR EFA AND SU.
Yannis81 3 years ago
And the F-22 isn't maneuverable? AS for this tired pissing contest. The F-22 is superior in A2A combat. While the EF is a multi-role platform. But probably has the edge in WVR due to an IRST system.
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago
efa-f2000 typhoon is a joint european aircraft developed and produced right to be a true ace into bvr combat..it's an incredible air-to air fighter, but only after tranche 3...tranche 1-2 are not fully capable to operate( they've not captor,iris-it-aesa radar,meteor compatibility ...).
pirate will be deployed only on german-british aircraft...so where will be european compatibility between air forces? we cannot forget how efa will be european standard aircraft..
frodo833 3 years ago
Did you know British Aerospace designed the F-22's defence electronics (INEWS).
Thats like your knowing your mother in law washed your boxer shorts, you feel somehow strangely violated :-)
megabigpants 3 years ago 2
and also let me point out that the one thing I've learned from debates is that there's enough information to prove ANYONE's point. The reality is the real things that will make one better than the other probably aren't public information
JetFireblade 3 years ago
hahaha I'm an American and I must say BEAUTIFULLY owned :))) I think the F-22's better, but the Typhoon is still AMAZING! And I like it. I am VERY glad it's on our side as well. Just know meggabigpants that not all Americans are like that. The ones flying the jets usually aren't as well
JetFireblade 3 years ago 2
Everyone - You simply cannot argue the typhoon against the Raptor, because the Raptor has better specifications in every aspect. It is faster, flies higher, flies longer, has better radar (AESA), has better data-linking, has longer range weapons, has JHMCS (pilot only has to look at the typhoon and the sidewinder will pull 50G to hit it) and yes, it more maneuverable due to far more powerful engines and thrust vectoring. And than stealth, and sorry but the typhoon CAN'T see it from the front.
randomname118 3 years ago
randomname118, Even if you could say the F-22 is overall the better fighter it's still not better in all areas. Both have a top speed above Mach 2, with the exact top-speeds of both aircraft being classified. Both can also supercruise at mach 1.5 with an AtA loadout, although some people suspect the F-22 is capable of supercruise at higher speeds than the EF.
MrPikon 3 years ago
"flies higher"
Both aircraft have a published service ceiling of 65k ft, and both are reportedly capable of "operating" at 50~55k ft.
"flies longer"
Difficult to say as there are no hard figures for the F-22 in terms of combat-radius or range in an AtA configuration.
MrPikon 3 years ago
"has longer range weapons"
The Typhoon and F-22 both currently carry the AIM-120C5, but when the AIM-120D and Meteor enter operational service the EF will have the longer ranging weapon of the two.
MrPikon 3 years ago
"has JHMCS (pilot only has to look at the typhoon and the sidewinder will pull 50G to hit it) and yes"
The F-22 doesn't currently have JHMCS, and it isn't planned to be integrated either, it also currently lacks integration of AIM-9X. The EF on the other hand has the most advanced HMD in the world, and already carries two of the most advanced SRAAM's in the world, ASRAAM and IRIS-T. The ability that you described is something that the Typhoon has and F-22 currently lacks.
MrPikon 3 years ago
is the hmd fully intergrated in the typhoon?(full capability on all modes?)i thought it is a midle priority and the concortium takes it easy on that.
typhoonginopilot 3 years ago
"is the hmd fully intergrated in the typhoon?(full capability on all modes?)"
I know that HEA is being used on some RAF Typhoon's, not sure about which modes are available right now but even the basic functionality should be comparable to that available with JHMCS anyway.
"the concortium takes it easy on that."
Well HEA is BAE developed, but IMO it appears that Eurofighter GmbH 'takes it easy' on pretty much every issue, that's the biggest problem with the plane. :(
MrPikon 3 years ago
"but IMO it appears that Eurofighter GmbH 'takes it easy' on pretty much every issue, that's the biggest problem with the plane. :("
i totally agree with you mate.i hope we choose it,india too,so the eurofighter program may gear up finally..
typhoonginopilot 3 years ago
"more maneuverable due to far more powerful engines and thrust vectoring"
Both are highly maneuverable, but despite the F-22 having more powerful engines the EF has higher t/w ratio, and being the smaller plane means it tends gain energy back faster after maneuvering. Thrust Vectoring gives the F-22 unmatched maneuverability at low-speeds and high angles of attack, but the Typhoons highly unstable airframe gives it agility is second to none at higher speeds; so it's difficult to compare.
MrPikon 3 years ago
"And than stealth, and sorry but the typhoon CAN'T see it from the front."
Let's not forget though that the Typhoon has the lowest RCS of any fighter other than the F-22, and in reality the F-22 would have to remain undetected not only by the EF's own radar but also by it's passive sensors e.g. PIRATE, ESM and a network of data-linked sensors which the EF's pilot can exploit to detect the F-22.
MrPikon 3 years ago
Typical American overconfidence + mouth. Dont you think we know our onjectives in Europe. In WW2 we sorted out YOUR dated crates for you. We've just scrapped (not invented) the worlds only supersonic airliner.
Korean Mig-15's with British jet engines out climbed + manouvered your "superior" Sabres.
I hope they never fight, but BIG MOUTHS will never out perform centuries of knowledge.
Go play football with all that padding on to keep your manly body all "safe" you fool.
meggabigpants 3 years ago
Typo = "objectives"
meggabigpants 3 years ago
Oh yeah your first jet - the lockheed shooting star, look up something on that as well, I'm gettin sick of bragging.
meggabigpants 3 years ago
Typhoon is a conventional aircraft.The F-22 would have spotted it, locked on to it, and shot it down before the pilot knew what was going on. As far as dog fights go..it depends on the pilots involved. The F-22 doesn't "dog fight" because it doesn't have to. MiG-29's have been shot down each and every time by F-15's for the same reasons. The MiG-29 can perform more drastic aerial maneuvers and seems like a better dog fighter, however the F-15 simply out performs it in an air superiority role.
gvjuiceman1 3 years ago
really?????wow!!so,what the Preatorian system does?just is installed in the plane for fun?how is the raptor going to detect and lock on the ef without preatorian knowing nothing?EF has the ability to reveal LPI active sensors.the DASS+(now renamed to preatorian+) will be even better.
typhoonginopilot 3 years ago
I guess its possible if you eliminate radar, and guided missiles which is what a dog fight entails. Unfortunately we no longer design combat aircraft according to WW2 standards. The F-22 is a stealth aircraft, its radar signature is the size of a honey bee so good luck finding it in the air, and then locking on to it. The F-22 has the ability to lock on and shoot down enemy aircraft from over 100 miles away.
gvjuiceman1 3 years ago
Typhoon has the ability to detect stealth aircraft by sharing information with other Typhoons from bombarding the target from different angles with radar pulses. Plus dog fighting does include guided missiles you moron...that's what Sidewinder, ASRAAM, Archer etc are for...
samuraikensai 3 years ago 2
Samuraikensai - I'm not sure you understand how radar works - if a flight of F-22s approach a flight of typhoons, the typhoons can't really bombard anything with radar from any direction other than the direction they are coming from. Hitting it from a little to the left won't make any difference. Even if it could see the raptor, it won't see it before the raptor sees the typhoon, and seeing as how the F-22 has beat 4 F-15s in a dogfight I find it hard to believe the typhoons would ever kill ONE.
randomname118 3 years ago
The only simulation I can think of was the computer simulation using guns only. The typhoon according to the computer beats the raptor 8 out of 10. That's with bullets ppl. When is the last time a jet used bullets? In reality the typhoon would have burned to the ground long before it even knew the raptor was coming. If you people don't knkow this I'm sorry read a book. Screw the interweb, open a book.
gvjuiceman1 3 years ago
"The typhoon according to the computer beats the raptor 8 out of 10."
I'm not sure which simulation your referring to gvjuiceman but if you mean the DERA Joust simulations ran in the mid-ninties that was almost entirely centered around BVR combat. In that simulation each aircraft was pitted against a hypothetical advanced SU-3X variant similar to the SU-30MKI, the F-22 scored an overall combat effectiveness rating of 91% and the Typhoon scored 82%, the F-16 in comparison scored 21%.
MrPikon 3 years ago
shut the fuck up
jets use guns all the time or else they wouldnt be built into aircraft anymore
guns are used all the time for strafing and when u are to close for missiles
woody352sqn 3 years ago
totally agree. That was a classic mistake made by the americans in the korean war.
CBirdieUK 3 years ago 2
F-22 drops a jet 200 miles out. I'd like to see the typhoon pull that shit off.
gvjuiceman1 3 years ago
ok, first off, get a grip mate, it is THE MISSILE wich it fires, they ( typhoon and F22) both can carry BVR missiles, BOTH have the range. you say planes are not built for WW2 now, yes, but you are obviosly mistaken in beliving that air-to-air combat always occures at 100+ miles away. if so, why the fuck are new ASRAAM, and AMRAAMs being produced? im not saying F22 is bad by no means. but you have twisted the argument into propaganda.
englandforever 3 years ago
But Typhoon's Meteor missile is superior to AIM-120D as it isn't a modification but an entirely new-tech missile. And have you heard of warning sensors? The Typhoon would detect the missile lock and launch even if it didn't detect the plane, therefore being able to deploy countermeasures and use it's (unmatched) maneuverability to evade the missile. And if the F-22 doesn't dog fight, why does it have vectored thrust???? And,yes the F-15 is better than Mig-29 but not Su-27!
samuraikensai 3 years ago
"F-22 drops a jet 200 miles out. I'd like to see the typhoon pull that shit off."
gvjuiceman, The F-22 isn't going to be dropping anything from 200 miles out let alone the Typhoon, I don't think you realise how much of an exaggeration that is.
As for the Typhoon, using Meteor it will be capable of hitting a maneuvering target 60+ miles out, giving it an engagement envelope which is unrivaled. ;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
MrPikon - I'm not sure you have done your research. The AIM-120D (the F-22s main weapon) has a range of over 120 miles. Granted it isn't 200 but it's more than that of the meteor. Add to that the fact that the typhoon won't see the F-22 at 60 miles and even if it could it wouldn't see the F-22 before the F-22 saw IT. The F-22 is faster, has more powerful engines, has a greater range, carries more fuel, is more agile (yes) and has JHMCS, it doesn't even have to point at the typhoon to hit it.
randomname118 3 years ago
I don't know wtf you dorks are talking about the typhoon took an f-22 in a simulated dog fight... Who was the pilot, where was he trained. Every simulated dog fight I have ever seen/read about the f-22 has taken the gold. You dorks are full of it.
gvjuiceman1 3 years ago
Guys that is made by germany the eurofighter not by USAF -.-'
ScoutSniperger 3 years ago
Kickass aircrafts.
Fuck you Usaf. :-)
Cab0cl0 3 years ago
you cac see both eurofighter and rafale in paris airshow and everybody well agree that rafale is more agile tham eurofighter..and i heard from italian pilot how flown mirage 2000 that eurofighter not have that good flight control as mirage 2000....that i say rafale is the best then gripen...why gripen becouse they beat eurofighter in dogfight...
taboot77 3 years ago
What's amazing is how he doesn't even have to keep the plane down initially to pick up speed before climbing, he just continues the take-off rotation straight into a vertical climb like a rocket, and the plane just keeps accelerating in the vertical to 3000ft; and that's with a combat load !
Excellent clip tasoscorsair !
MrPikon 3 years ago
Sounds wonderful! Excellent commentary thru the flight, and I wonder if the Typhoon really accelerates to 180 knots in 9.5 secs from brakes release.
Vee6watchman 3 years ago
amazing plane & good commentary, wouldnt mind having my hand on that stick
squishydemon 3 years ago
im going to the US air force academy, and its shit like this that i want to do more than anything.
DeepCore214 4 years ago
too bad the U.S. doesnt have the eurofighter : (
pacificguitarist 4 years ago
Give the new SU-35 to this Pilot. I want to look what he have to say after flying.
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
I bet that he wond find the words to describe it! :)
I only wish we would buy the SU-35...
tasoscorsair 4 years ago
nice video :) i like the comments of the pilot.
skydive911 4 years ago 2
i dont like it they tried to copy the french rafale but unlike the rafale the design here is a shame......and the rafale is a multirole aircraft is this one too
gunshooot 4 years ago
Copied the Rafale??? France was part of the development but left and started their own development because they had different oppinions.
noskill1985 4 years ago
i kno but they still copied on it just look at the three basic prototype made in the 80's
gunshooot 4 years ago
here's the top 5 fighters 1 F-22, 2 Typhoon, 3 F-35A, 4 F-15C&E, and 5 F-16
F22RaptorFF 4 years ago
Eurofighter is useless, against the stealth tech of the F-35 the Eurofighter will be gunned down before his radars even pick up the F-35.
TurkishCommando55 4 years ago
the F-22 is better than the F-35. f-22 is stealthier and faster a lot faster try mach 3+ and the f-35 mach 1.6
F22RaptorFF 4 years ago
I admit the F-22 is better but the Typhoon is not better then teh F-35 as stated in your "expert" list.
TurkishCommando55 4 years ago
F-22 can out manouver the F-35 the F-35 is a modified f-16 the raptor can beat the lightning 2
F22RaptorFF 4 years ago
just shut the fuck up fucking mogol,
even if you get that plane the Greek Mirages will be still fucking your motherfucking pilots.
suck gaykemals dick
tasoscorsair 4 years ago
One, F-22 is NOT Mach 3+...try Mach 2+, and F-35 is NOT a modded F-16...moron.
samuraikensai 3 years ago 2
Top 5 fighters: 1.Typhoon 2. F-22 3. Su-37 4.Rafale 5. Gripen.
samuraikensai 3 years ago
th eF-22 already took out the typhoon in simulated combat so the f-22 is better. u just can't see it because the brits r clouding ur head the typhoon is second and the su37 faild and doesn't exist anymore
F22RaptorFF 3 years ago
Ummm no, Typhoon beat F-22 at NAS China Lake in 2005 - i'll send the link! I have also read the book with the article quoted - an AMERICAN book...a highly respected one too!
samuraikensai 3 years ago
maybe in just guns but thats about it because the f-22 can take out the typhoon before it even sees the f-22
F22RaptorFF 3 years ago
It obviously can't because, as the article stated, the Typhoons locked up the F-22s at BVR...AND then DOMINATED the WVR fight... :-)
samuraikensai 3 years ago
Turkey rules!!? hahahahahahahahah you make me laugh! F35 is better? I think that you do not know what you are talking about!
EXMR84 4 years ago 6
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F-35 is much much better!!!
Turkey rules!!
TurkishCommando55 4 years ago
rule first the new Kurdistan with your brand new F-5............
tasoscorsair 4 years ago
Fortunately as much as you like that dream it can never happen you sorry shit for brains gayreek.
TurkishCommando55 4 years ago
No not going to happen you sorry loser gayreek with shit for brains.
TurkishCommando55 4 years ago
Turkey does not rule! my country came out with stealth. i'm even suprised that we are even letting any country have the F-35. but its not that special like the f-22 the f-35 is a modified f-16
F22RaptorFF 4 years ago
The U.S is not even using F-22 in widespread use because it is so expensive. That is one of the reasons why they are coming out with the F-35, and as for the stealth tech yeah I really wonder why they gave that out to people, but for me that is a plus.
TurkishCommando55 4 years ago
F-22 $125mil and the f-35 $100mil. the f-22 does not need numbers 2 f-22's can take on 16 or more fighters at once
F22RaptorFF 4 years ago
Well F-35 is a joint project...in fact the UK makes and designed a lot of the tech...thus "JOINT strike fighter"....dick.
samuraikensai 3 years ago
the f-22 can kick the f-35's ass any day its just a modified f-16
F22RaptorFF 3 years ago
Actually America didn't come out with stealth...radar stealth has been around since WW2...read up on the de Havilland Mosquito...a BRITISH plane.
samuraikensai 3 years ago 2
did i say stealth ant that mosquito was wooden so it did not reflect radar so the F-117 was a true stealth fighter. plus with the radar today the mosquito will show up on radar
F22RaptorFF 3 years ago
exelant vid
thak u Great Britain for selling us those beutiful planes
i'm so exited i'm gona fly one of them soon!!!!! :)
badboyksajeddah 4 years ago
Hope you enjoy flying the typhoon.
Theres pleanty of blue sky for you in K o Saudi Arabia.
zucoy21z89 4 years ago
...lucky bastard... have fun!!
deonax 4 years ago
made for the typhoon simulator they have at airshows n that...
ricki429 4 years ago
WOW!!!
kirjolohipastilli 4 years ago
NICE! VERY NICE INDEED!
HyperLanka 4 years ago
wow you cant hear the engins thats cool to bad you didnt brea sound barrier
WoLFkaboom 4 years ago
damnnnnnn...how he do that :SS::S
versatus 4 years ago
nice vid
Yoram777NL 4 years ago
gr8 vid man...hard to find a vid which is of such gd quality...well narrated 2..
toothpickandra 4 years ago