Equilibrium. Father's Introduction

[Liquidreams]

Why reviewers compared this to the Matrix and Minority Report is beyond me. Maybe stylistically it resembles those films, but the context makes it a more modern Fahrenheit 451

[drmonnosh]

it shows how the new world order will be....the one we gonna enter soon!

[Thongger]

that was a pretty emotional speech condemning emotion. the crowd also seemed pretty emotional when they congratulated their lack of emotion :P

[albertjester]

god i wish prozium existed. not mandatory of course but i wish it was optional. i agree with ZetXardJormsot to a degree but men are not born equal. despite what we are told as children, we can not be what ever we want because there is such a thing as natural ability. i could try for years but i could never paint a masterpiece or become a gold medal athlete. some people do not have the strength of will to self disciplin. and if total focus was only a needle prick away i would take it in a second.

[AAS0009]

Which is the music to this bit?

[MrSamueldejesus]

tiene cierto merito el discurso me refiero

[SinDawg030]

All hail Sean Pertwee!

[Trevidarium]

I'm glad I have my own Prozium. It's called Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius and Seneca the Younger (with inspiration from Cato the Younger)

Yeah, I don't want all emotions to be erased, but that doesn't mean I indulge in every senseless desire.

Movie's awesome nonetheless though. Enjoyed my time watching it.

[pierrele]

learn gun kata, destroy socialism.

[Wrahns]

Like an updated version of George Orwell's 1984.

[LeftoverJedi]

Ironically, a very moving speech, lol.

[dg19]

Italian version is the best -.-

[Idonthaveanamelol]

Is it me, or does Father sound a lot like Halo 2's Prophet of Truth?

[GrailcodeDotNet]

These are the very SAME things the coming Antichrist will speak to the world, and the world will be so easily deceived with. Pay attention.

[Verradonairun]

this clip shows how paradoxic and inaccurate the movie was. For instance here; if there were no emotions there would be no need for speeches, since speeches appeal to human emotion.

[szopq]

@Verradonairun I thing the point is that it's all about corruption. The second generation of prosium doesn't deprive people their all emotion, but love, empathy etc. This is because human emotion is needed to keep power over people. Prosium II didn't kill fear - the crucial emotion needed to manipulate the masses.

[Prof1989]

@Verradonairun those speeches might remind people of taking their drugs ;)

also you could see by the reactions of the crowd who is taking the drug and who isn't

[catalystleader]

I love everything about Libria except for two things......

1) The leader is a sense offender. This must never be allowed.

2) The killing of defenseless animals. It also is contradictory to logic which is what humanity would embrace and use if they could reject emotion. That part of the movie didn't really make any sense.

[dtadeo2006]

the ones in control are themselves sense offenders.

[authorjg]

@dtadeo2006 It is very ironic that the people who control Libria are sense offenders. Powerful people can get away with almost anything. It is the lower classes who suffer.

[authorjg]

@authorjg Equilibrium portrayed a dictatorship whose apparent leader was merely a construct of the real leader. Vice-Council DuPont is the real leader of Libria, maintaining a puppet construct called Father. There may be some similarities between our own world now and that of Equilibrium.

[iwona1974]

@authorjg This is exactly what was happening in the countries of the former Russian block. They were called "democratic republics" but we all know they were in fact tyrannies. I should know - I do remember the communist times in Poland, when the people in the highest rank of the Communist Party had everything and ordinary citizens were almost dying out of hunger.

And to think something like this is still happening in certain parts of the world...

[authorjg]

@iwona1974 Wow. That is scary. Some of the things that happen in real life are not much different than science fiction.

[proadmin1]

@authorjg What you mean the rampant pharmacological "enhancement", or the manipulation of our fears by corporatists.

[hereandnow6002]

is there a drug like prozium in the making? I WANT IT

[TheShart1234]

@hereandnow6002 why? ull be so funny

[hereandnow6002]

why would i be funny? o.O

[TheShart1234]

@hereandnow6002 because u would just wander around. and do anything people tell u without thinking. i could tell you that ur mother is evil and u must kill her and you would. i can think of another millions senarios

[hereandnow6002]

no wtf. i'd be more logical than ever and if you told me to do anything i'd ignore you.

[iwona1974]

@hereandnow6002 Prozium = Prozac + Alprazolam ;) I don't recommend it, though, if you don't suffer from depression and/or an anxiety disorder.

[catalystleader]

That is absolutely the kind of world that I would want to live in. It is strong and superior despite what the movie's theme actually implies.

[T800System]

Stunning film - the CD case likens it to the Matrix; but tbh it's nothing close to it apart from the fact that they wear black trench-coats.

5 stars; a must watch!

[VeluxCepterune27]

Libria illustrates the complete process of Globalization and enslaving people's minds.

[kevin012897]

thank you

xox

[ZetXardJormsot]

The every man must hold his emotions in control without any drugs or opression. He must do it by self-disciplining.

This is what called spiritual growth.

[SgtCandy]

@ZetXardJormsot Father has a point, fear, hate, war are symptoms of something indeed but not emotion, emotions are merely just the stage for them, they arise from our minds themselves.

[SgtCandy]

@ZetXardJormsot Father has a point, fear, hate, war are symptoms of something indeed but not emotion, emotions are merely just the stage for them, they arise from our minds themselves.

[felixmoga]

Equilibrium copies the Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451" theme and the movie made in 1966. Nice film though, even if the idea is not original.

[ZetXardJormsot]

It does not copies, and this book is not the only and not the first to talk about this subject. And nobody hides that this movie is based on the literature.

[jingZhen]

Was thinking more of Audrey Huxley's Brave New World and Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four. But I can see the EC-10 condemning in F-451 too.

[drakonis8]

Reminds of Half Life 2 , good movie

[Verradonairun]

I really like the philosophical aspect of this movie, what thoughts and debates it starts.

[crazybearBK]

Happiness and love too can be negative emotions-a kind of torture for those who don't have it and have to see others with it in everyday life.

[chabelisbov]

Too many "emotional flaws" in the movie. A completely emotionless world would be too boring. Besides the flaws the movie was decent.

[NiggvaR]

Ideal state, in my opinion. Think how good that would work. NO emotions. No war, no hate, no envying. Perfect.

[StLucifer85]

No happiness, no love, :o)

[NiggvaR]

A price I would gladly pay.

[StLucifer85]

lol out of curiosity...... whats the point of living.....

[NiggvaR]

To be a tool for the state. To have a purpose. To always have the societys agenda as your first priority. To serve without asking questions. That is the point of living, if you ask me.

[StLucifer85]

grow up and wake up, if you had know feelings then you would have no purpose and without purpose your life is empty and if your life is empty whats the point in giving you life in the 1st place, you watch to many movies seriously, the only person that this world would benefit would be the leaders..... or leader

[NiggvaR]

That is exactly my point. Here, we may see a typical example where feelings blur your abilitys to see the truth of the greatest system ever built. You are so blurred that your irrelevant arguments are coming faster than the relevant. Please post something serious next time.

[StLucifer85]

and what is the greatest system ever built....

[NiggvaR]

Isn't that obvious?

[StLucifer85]

no please.... enlighten me

[NiggvaR]

The society used here. It's to use the maximum of the potential of the population to make the society as best as you can.

[BladePHF]

Note: The system was flawed. Also, didn't you get the irony of the Grammaton pretty much becoming what they were supposed to be defending against?

[abram730]

people become what they focus on, as there is no negation of though.

If you want a child to drop a ball simply yell "don't drop the ball".

"Don't drop the ball" requires you to think of dropping the ball and then stop thinking of it.

To fight evil one must think of evil first as evil is the focus. The more you think of evil the more those thoughts become patterns of thought and patterns of thought mold our very being.

A predators predator is still a predator.

[BladePHF]

I'd like to point out that you are kinda wasting a beautifully worded-out reasoning on a Youtube Comment section... Not that I begrudge you for it, but pearls to swine and all that. :D

As for your actual point, I believe a famous thinker once said "Those who fight monsters should take care that they never become one. For when you stand and look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

[BladePHF]

I suppose the core element of the Prozium Society is basically something to be sought, that is, to detach oneself from evil in order to be able to fight it as an untouchable soul. That fact the whole thing turns out to be a sham is meaningless. ALL of mankind's various means of governing, from Despotism to Capitalism, would work fine and be utopian if the people involved were more then human in every positive sense. Alas, we are humans, and even the best of worlds would be tainted by that fact.

[jingZhen]

Nietzsche I believe.

[Verradonairun]

does anyone know, what the title of the background music is? :b i would appreciate an answer.

[Verradonairun]

this is actually a contradiction; if the people didn't have emotions; there is no need for motivational speeches. still an excellent movie! really makes you think.

[NiggvaR]

ofc, cos you have a choise to take the pill or not. So you'd say that the feelings are more.. hidden.. rejected, rather than actually removed.

[Verradonairun]

Chosing whether to take the pill or not, depends more upon rational thinking, i'd say. :D because they have also been brainwashed to think that, the pills are actually good for them.

You must have a hard life, since you'd like a world without emotions. As if you don't need emotions, because of some

event(s) in your life, that were too hurtfull. hang in there! It's going to get better.

[NiggvaR]

Let's stick to relevant info here. I say that a society filled with sense is better than people being blurred by emotions. Why should we have societies based on feelings? That makes us look weak.

[Verradonairun]

human emotion is a powerful tool.

[NiggvaR]

Which is likely to make us distroy our world.

[DeltaOne60659]

Equilibrium is like the matrix...without the million dollar budget...and its way better.

[Trisnowda]

i would kill myself if this was the world in which we lived, slaves with paychecks.

[Rotheran]

"slaves with paychecks"

Howcome I had to think of at least 80% of the people in the west?

[Novatel22]

Defmend you are terribly deluded. If you're looking for such a world, I have one word for you...Klonopin.

[Defmend]

I really hope we could all live in such a society, no feelings will unify us and no conflicts will exist, the PERFECT world.

[Airsofter104]

But without love without anger life is just a clock ticking.

[Defmend]

there is no war... no terrorism...no violence...no discriminacion...the world would just be a perfect symbosis of endless peace, without regrets and without doubts, the perfect and never self destructive world as it could be ours in a future

[DarthChuckwa]

A world without war? Tempting, but impossible, and detrimental. All things grow through conflict, including societies and nations. The greatest advances the human race has made were made because of war and competition.

In conflict, we find ourselves, or we find ourselves lacking.

[input111]

Pro Z->i U->M

(Z=cleaner of the space)

(M=thoughts which make feeling)

"GuESsTAPe0" subsociety which exists in fantastic story probably would not like to have the facts about an existing opportunity of using this thing by their victims in important moments.

[FritjofGebhart]

@ Arang

I hope not!

Cause not to feel how much you love some people... no Friendships nobody you can trust nothing you have to fear, no time to disperse your cogitations must be horrobile.

Yes "No War" and no murder but that is what the Clerics do.. so its equal to have emotions or have no emotions. In every future people will die. So choose what is the best for you and what do you need for choos such an future?? right! Feelings

[Arang]

I hope we'll live in such a society in the future. No emotions sounds great.

[1androo2]

hahaha, take prozium for a day just to get high =P

[IzmirWayne]

Every time I see this seen I just get like rock hard niples...it is so movin. I remember the first time I saw it...unbelievable.

[arathdaoth]

@IzmirWayne sense offender *grin*

[majlosz21]

There are pros to it - killing negative emotions is certainly tempting, but you have to concider the cons as well. I think that this kind of society would never progress - innovation and creation is propelled by emotions like pation, ambition and even jealousy and hate - killing those emotions would, to my mind, cease the process of advancement in humanity as a whole.

[1androo2]

very good analysis! i like it

[Selinja]

That would be okay with a conservative :)

[trigga1uk]

good way to sum it up. North Korea is the closest place in the world to this kind of reality.

[StLucifer85]

nazi germany*

[BlackePlague]

This speech sounds like a communist one!

[PlatinumMike]

what's the name of this song in the background??

[Hexon2]

Father rocks his speeches are so good you should have seen more of him.

[empyblessing]

Hell yeah, give me some prozium. -.-

[Teadermin]

Have a day citizen :|

If I don't make it out alive... tell my wife, "hello"

[Jen5en]

If Prozium existed, would you try it? No depression, jealousy, hate, anger... come on, you know you want to. :D

[NELHAOTEC]

In a hearbeat

[AFGalwayz]

but u also get rid of happiness, love, joy etc etc. its un-natural

[slimjimeth]

they should only force klers rapists terrorist etc to take it

[AFGalwayz]

they should just kill those people instead

[Teadermin]

Oh yeah, I definitely would.

[csnyen]

I think its good for school to learn but.. i qhant to feel the positiv emotions.. love, fun and so on... so I think I would try Prozium for some weeks ;-)

[Selinja]

I'd absolutely try Prozium if it existed. Just imagine, it would make ordinary normal life feel like a trip! A reverse drug, if you want to put it that way ;)

[onwardparasites]

@Selinja  no way not being able to feel emotions love, laughter, happynes would you really like that to all go away?

[catalystleader]

except that fear is an emotion. In Equilibria there are no emotions. There is nothing to hate or fear.

[TwystedX]

Equilibria?

[wagnerologist1984]

its like that apple mac advert a few years back.

[jev117]

which is like 1984

[DeltaOne60659]

Equilibrium is like the matrix...without the million dollar budget...and its way better.

[AFGalwayz]

stop comparing it to the matrix.....this is why the movie got such a shit rating for a great film. its not the matrix and its not like it either.

[yieldmanager]

But citizens of Sweden, You have won! Against all odds, and the socialdemocratic government, You-have-Survived! ^^

[DeltaOne60659]

HAHA very funny yieldmanager lol...father is a sense offender, noone could give that speech without having emotions

[NELHAOTEC]

I was slightly confused upon watching the video the first time through. There are MANY people all over that show CLEAR signs of sense offense. Which is why I originally thought Prozium just dampened your ability to feel, not erradicated. Which I suppose is still possible, seeing as this is not the first brand of the drug.

[o0OoO0OoOooO0o]

emotions are not completely eliminated.. they are just dulled by prozium, thats why father says "at the cost of dizzying heights of human emotion"

[Ohnoyoudidnt565]

anybody know where I can find a wav. file or other audio recording of this speech?

[20thcentury]

Ahh...

[VampireDayWalker69]

This scene sometimes causes me to have tears. So dark and beautiful. The music is good.

[robertwilki]

this movie is sooo underrated. ok, so it steals freely from Huxley's Brave New World, but it still rocks!!! I love these scifi dictators speeches as well

[commandoslayer]

Damm this scene is soo inspired

[VampireDayWalker69]

Im with that.

[OpposingFarce]

Long live humanity!

[commandoslayer]

The Perfect World

[KohrsAKT]

You have no idea, is it worth it to lose what makes us human? what is the point of our living if we can't share ideas? feeling? enjoy life??

[commandoslayer]

I agree kohrsAKT but what about anger hate rage and war.

[KohrsAKT]

A high cost, I pay it gladly..

[Ohnoyoudidnt565]

aye, I pay it gladly..

[catalystleader]

I agree. Some feel that a lack of emotions would no longer make us human. However, is it not human to improve ourselves? Is it not the nature of humanity to improve itself. The elimination of human emotion would essentially be a big step in evolution. Emotions are essentially unnecessary and with their elimination we would have a much more logical, superior, efficient, and productive society.

[OpposingFarce]

Yes we would, but it is our own flaws that make us truly human and or unique. That and we could never agree upon such a solution.

[catalystleader]

If such a drug as prozium truly existed, then people would think only with logic and reason. And logic and reason always picks the solution that is the most effective, so there would be no disagreement.

Perhaps our flaws make us human, but it is our quest to better ourselves that makes us even more human. To evolve into something greater and more glorious is very human.

[delamoxica]

But at the cost of our very soulds, there has to be another way

[JVic1992]

but if we eliminate emotion, what will drive us to seek advancement? if theres no emotion, people wouldn't feel a need for anything let alone improve ourselves.

[JVic1992]

but maybe if its just a supression of more radical types of emotion like hate and rage, that would help a lot in society.

[catalystleader]

The simple nature of every living creature which is survival.

[KohrsAKT]

What's the point of getting better if we can't enjoy being better.. c'mon...

[konkey11]

emotions give us movement forward that is why human beings are at the top of nature we both hurt and protect with emtions and without them we are nothing but animals less than animals actually since animals have some emotion

[CruelinStrength]

awesome scene

[amvdijk]

if only someone would put the movie on Youtube zo I can watch it. *sigh* but he's accusualy right. emotion leads to war.

[StukovM1g]

i believe its on YouTube. Type Equilibrium part 1

[amvdijk]

Tried that. A year ago... Ah, but I might try it again somewhere in the near future ^^

[StukovM1g]

try again, IT IS ON YOUTUBE

[amvdijk]

Wonderful. Like I said, I will try it again sometime soon. The fact it is on youtube now doesn't mean it was a year ago. (Or it was, but I just couldn't find it)

[StukovM1g]

I believe it was and is on Youtube, watched it last year, watched it yesterday

[libgermany]

equilibrium is my favorite movie. and this is one of the best scenes of it.

[Gordhart]

this is the best scene from whole equilibrium!

but it's quite emotional, don't you think? :)

[bram8323]

I agree!

[avempace000]

It's within Emotional Content level 10 (EC-10)

[onwardparasites]

@avempace000 "12 simulation computer games"

and then i thought THE LAST WORLD OF WARCRAFT!!!

[Eknytz]

awesome, i love equilibrium!