i do believe that every reasonable person should respect for the reasonable person they respect .i have always trouble understanding that why ahmadis have to convince others that mirza sahib is Mehdi .there is no profound evidence and i think it is like saying as Christians say that Jesus pbuh is son of God ,it is totally unnecessary unless it is necessary for political purposes .If any body preached love respect and how to get close to God then there is no reason to escalate it make a problem.
@iltamian Why is it necessary for us as Muslims to convince others that Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is a true prophet of Allah? If you know the answer to that question, then you will get the answer to your question too. Nothing to do with politics.
@IslamAhmadiya The intellect of the holy prophet and the the Qur'an speaks for itself.what has mirza sahib to offer of a similar caliper ? i do not think that mirza sahib said that he is a prophet?????
mirza gulam ahmed qadiyani said that BRITISH FORCES ARE A RAHMAT FROM ALLAH.british forces occupied india ,did british had the right to do that ?.british forces killed many muslims in india,what about them?mirza was an agent of british.how can a true muslim say that occupaying forces are a rahmat from allah,when they are killing muslims ?
@strongmale22 Have you ever tried to look into this matter with pure heart? Have you ever done any research yourself as to why Promised Messiah said this? I am sure if you had done some proper unbiased research on this you would have not raised this question here. Read this and you will get the full picture of the story and not just one side of the coin the Mullahs want people to see: alislam . o r g/books/truth/british . h t m l
SHUT da hell up, DONT u call urselves muslims.. if AHMADI WAS TRUE PROPHET WAS WHY WUD HE DIE DURING HIS SHITTING SESSION, is THAT HOW PROPHET NAUZUBILAAH dies ??? HUH GET LOST U SHIT
Naseer Anjum sahib khuda aapko Hameisha isi tarha mohammad rasoolullah SAW aur mirza sahib AW ki ittebaa mein unheen ki tarah Quraan ke mataalib aur maarif biyan kerne ki taufeeq deta rahey AMEEN SUMMA AMEEN
yahan mirza sahib ka ek ilhaam unki sachaiee ki taraf ishara ker raha hai
ILHAM=Terey firqa ke log elm-o-maarifat mein kamaal hasil kareingey
Na laik he ye banda ghamdi. Hazur s.a.w. ne farmaya k MA MIN NABUWATIN ILLA ATTABIUHA KHILAFATUN ka koi nabuwat esi nahi k jis k itba khilafat ne na ki ho. Hazrat EEsa k b khalifa the yani k. Khilafat state ki hakumat ko nahi kehte balke momno me aik aasmani nezam he ye. Quran me surat noor me jahan khilafat ka zikr he wahan dunyawi hakumat ka koi zikr nahi balke ye kaha gia he k eman aur saleh amal walo k khilafat di jae gi
@amoralis123 Mr. this is the difference b/w ahmadis and you on the concept of khilafa. you people don't know the meanings of khilafa. Being a khalifa of a prophet don't rrequires wordly govt. but its an divine govt. and if ghamdi is an islamic scholar. Hazoor sallalahu elehe wassalam said that a time would come that the scholars of my ummah would the worst people on earth. do you wanna know the reference of this hadith?
bahut jaahil ho aap ahmadiyon ne kab kaha hai ke khilafat ki nishani countries + cities per hukumat kera hai yeh to tumharey so called scholars ka aqeeda hai jahantak Jesus(ibne mariyam) ka taaluq hai to pitras kaun tha woh Jesus ka ek hawari tha aur Jesus ka Successor bana Jesus ke baad aur usika yeh bira hua silsila hai jiska head aajke daur mein pop hai aur ek bahut bari nation ko represent kerta hai
aur tumko Jesus ki nation nation hi nazar naheen aati tumhari information keliye araz hai ke Jesus ki nation is waqat Mohammad Rasolullah SAW ki nation se kafi bari hai yeh sachaie hai aur hum Mohammad Rasolullah SAW ki perwi kernewaaley hain unhone hamein sach bolna aur sach snna sikhaya hai
Na laik he ye banda ghamdi. Hazur s.a.w. ne farmaya k MA MIN NABUWATIN ILLA ATTABIUHA KHILAFATUN ka koi nabuwat esi nahi k jis k itba khilafat ne na ki ho. Hazrat EEsa k b khalifa the yani k. Khilafat state ki hakumat ko nahi kehte balke momno me aik aasmani nezam he ye. Quran me surat noor me jahan khilafat ka zikr he wahan dunyawi hakumat ka koi zikr nahi balke ye kaha gia he k eman aur saleh amal walo k khilafat di jae gi
Na laik he ye banda ghamdi. Hazur s.a.w. ne farmaya k MA MIN NABUWATIN ILLA ATTABIUHA KHILAFATUN ka koi nabuwat esi nahi k jis k itba khilafat ne na ki ho. Hazrat EEsa k b khalifa the yani k. Khilafat state ki hakumat ko nahi kehte balke momno me aik aasmani nezam he ye. Quran me surat noor me jahan khilafat ka zikr he wahan dunyawi hakumat ka koi zikr nahi balke ye kaha gia he k eman aur saleh amal walo k khilafat di jae gi
Nalaiq he ye banda Ghamdi bi. BeAqal ko itna nahi pata k islam me to he hi khilafat ka concept na k badshahat ka. Khilafat kisi state ki hakomat ko nahi kehte balke aik rohani silsila he.
Hazoor S.a.w ne farmaya k MA MIN NABUWATIN ILLA ITTABI'UHA KHILAFATUN yani koi nabuwat esi nahi k jis k itba khilafat ne na ki ho. Hazor ne surat Juma k ibtadai ayat k nazul k bad farmay k agar eman surraya pe b chala gia to ehl e faras me se aik shaksh eman wapis le aae ga.
Naseer Ahmed Anjum could not understand the statement of Ghamdi exactly.He is just opposing.Although,there are thousands of Khalifas and Khalafats in sufi orders like chisty ,qaderi etc.It means they have also been selected by ALLAH?
@Hero7418 Well there is only one Jamaat in Islam that is united world over with the true Khilafat-e-Rashida. That Khilafat-e-Rashida was revived after the coming of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah. Just like the first four Khulafa who came after the demise of Holy Prophet Muhammad, the Khilafat ala MinhajunNabuwwah was revived after the demise of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah (the true servant of Holy Prophet and the one who came as a subordinate prophet of Holy Prophet Muhammad in this age).
@IslamAhmadiya This is your personal opinion about your Khalafit.We do not accept Mirza Sahab as prophet or Immam Mehadi.Therefore.your so called Khalafit is just up to you.Because majority of muslims do not accept it.Imam Mehadi will succeed in his mission due to the help of Allah whereas Mirza shab spent entire his life to prove himself as Mahdi Maud.But he failed rather brought about divide of Muslim Ummah.
@Hero7418 Your argument is flawed from the very foundations. If majority rejects a true chosen one of God, it doesn't make the prophet false. Holy Prophet is declared to be "Rahmatullil Alameen" (Mercy for th whole worlds) in the Holy Quran. More than 1400 years have passed and a large majority of the world still rejects him. Does it mean that Quran was wrong about him? Just like he is mercy for anyone who accepts him, Khilafat is uniting anyone who accepts this Khilafat!
@IslamAhmadiya Your argument is also very very irrelevant to Islamic discussions.Because,is there not any difference between a ordinary humane being and a Muslim.We are not just discussing the majority and minority.We are discussing the opinion and stance of the muslims.Those who do not believe in The Holy Quran and those who believe in it are two different entities.Your disputed Khalafit is rejected by that majority which believe in Allah,Holy Prophet,Quran and in all Islamic doctrine.
@Hero7418 Give me a single reference from Quran or hadith that states that Muslims will always remain guided and won't act un-Islamically. He actually declared the "ulema" of today as the worst creatures under the sky. Prophecy about Imam Mahdi was for the time when faith had to completely go away from the face of earth. There had to be mosques full of worshippers but without any guidance. These are Holy Prophet's words and not mine. Majority had to follow wrong initially: /watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo
@IslamAhmadiya I have heard from some ulema that the 72 sects hadith is not an authentic hadith. The narration is very weak. So this hadith should not be used to justify any divisions among muslims in sects. Rather this weak hadith is used to create dissentions among the Muslims which is what exactly it is doing. We are declaring each other Kafirs and slaughtering like arch enemies instead of amicably listening to each other's views as brothers...
@irtezaa Brother, that hadith infact is one of the greatest proofs of the truth of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). All the words of Holy Prophet have come true word by word. Watch this video brother: /watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo
The hadith doesn't condemn each individual belonging to every wrong sect to be hellbound rather it explains the overall situation of these sects. There will be infightings, indiscipline, disunity so on and so forth. They were to be in a state of fire. This is what it is.
"Similarly ACCORDING TO AHADITH of Holy Prophet, Imam Mahdi and "Jesus" had to be titles of same one person."
'Eesaa 'alaihis salaam is the name of Son of Maryam not some title.Mahdi is a title given by Rasool SAAWS even to Mu'aawiyah radiyAllaahu 'anhu .Changing a title(Mahdi) into an individual , and changing the name of an individual('Eesaa) to a title is once again blatant Tahreef of the words of Rasool SAAWS for arguing for the sake of arguing and Takzeeb of Rasool SAAWS.
@Neorient You call somebody a lion because of his bravery, or Hatim Tai because of his generosity, does it make the person physically/literally a lion or Hatim Tai? This is a title given to a person because of his exclusive attributes. Holy Prophet prophecied of a time when 72 sects of Muslims had to resemble with the Jews of time of Jesus like two shoes of same pair. So the remedy had to be in the resemblance, likeness and character of Jesus. This is not tahreef, rather understanding the wisdom
@Neorient I have removed your last two comments because it helps nobody during the discussion when you post so many comments together at the same time. You then have to answer so many topics at one single time. Lets take things one by one. I would request you not to post more than 2-3 comments at one single time. Also try to keep the discussion to the topic.
Becoming Nabi before Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam is called Nubbi'a Qablahoo in Arabic in Tafseer Khaazin
These are Holy Prophet's words, no "twisting"!
I am referring to the blatant Tahreef in Hadeeth of Nu'maan ibn Basheer radiyAllaahu 'anhu recorded by Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal rahimahu(A)llaah in Musnad-ul-Koofiyyeen.
@Neorient When did I ever dispute the fact that Jesus came around 600 years before Holy Prophet? Regardless of if he is a new prophet or old, you see a need of PROPHET AFTER Holy Prophet. To you it will be an Israelite prophet of more than 2000 years who will come back, while to me it had to be an ummati prophet of Holy Prophet who had to come in the character of Jesus at a time when Muslims had to resemble exactly like Jews of time of Jesus. What gives Islam a new life? Think with pure heart.
How do you see the coming of PROPHET JESUS AFTER Holy Prophet? ACCORDING TO HADITH the coming "Jesus" (metaphorically) had to be a NABIULLAH There is a difference between BECOMING a Nabi and Nuzool.It was not Nuzool of Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam at age 40 but BECOMING a Nabi.That's why, when Muslims are asked in Qabr:Man Nabiyyuka?They will answer Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam not 'Eesaa 'alaihis salaam because He BECAME Nabi before Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam.
@Neorient Allah Almighty says in Quran: 'And He has sent (Nuzool) down eight head of cattle in pairs. (Al-Zumar, 6/7) Have you ever seen the cattle literally descending from some heaven if the meaning of Nuzool has to be taken literally? The truth is that wherever in the quran the word "Nuzool" has been used, it is in reference to something that extremely beneficial for mankind. For God's sake try to understand the wisdom of Quran and hadith.
Twisting the words of Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam is Tahreef like Jews and Christians.In Aayah 54 of Soorah an-Noor, Allaah says:If ye obey Him(Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam), ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach clearly.In Aayah 28 of Soorah an-Najm, Allaah says:But they have no knowledge therein. They follow nothing but Zann(conjecture); and Zann avails nothing against Haqq(Truth).
@Neorient Please don't accuse me of "twisting" the words of Holy Prophet. My understanding of Islam differs from yours but to accuse me of twisting things will take you no where. How do you see the coming of PROPHET JESUS AFTER Holy Prophet? According to hadith the coming "Jesus" (metaphorically) had to be a NABIULLAH (Prophet of Allah). Similarly according to ahadith of Holy Prophet, Imam Mahdi and "Jesus" had to be titles of same one person. These are Holy Prophet's words, no "twisting"!
" Let me now take your understanding of Khilafat ala minhajun Nabuwwah forward and see what are you looking for. "
Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam has already made things very clear.He has used Khilaafah 'alaa Minhaajin Nubuwwah twice,the two intermediate Kingdoms(Mulks) are also used for Rulers and Kings while His statement that Mahdi will govern the people by my Sunnah don't leave the room for Nubuwwah of other prophets.
@Neorient You have not answered my question brother. What is your understanding of Imam Mahdi, his rule, the time of his rule, what happens afterwards, what about Khilafat ala minjajin Nabuwwah? What is the purpose of religion and how is it established in the hearts of people and how people follow it willingly and whole heartedly? The issue of Prophethood within Islam will be discussed later.
@Neorient I already told you that I very well know the translation of the hadith, I just don't consider your understanding of it as correct. Let me now take your understanding of Khilafat ala minhajun Nabuwwah forward and see what are you looking for. What is your understanding of religion and purpose of it? How do you think religion can be established and followed wholeheartedly by the followers? How many years Imam Mahdi according to will "rule" and what will happen afterwards?
"Then there will be Mulkan 'Aazzan, and it will be whatever Allah wishes it to be, then He will lift it up if He wished to lift it up. Then there will be Mulkan Jabriyyatan(oppressive rule), and it will be whatever Allah wishes it to be, then He will lift it up if He wished to lift it up. Then there will be a Khilafah on the Minhaaj of Nubuwwah. Then he was silent.”
Translation part-1 "Nubuwwah will be amongst you whatever Allah wishes it to be, then He will LIFT IT(NUBUWWAH) up if He wished to lift it up. Then there will be a Khilafah on the Minhaaj of Nubuwwah, and it will be whatever Allah wishes it to be, then He will lift it up if Allah wished to lift it up. ( I had missed this in Arabic part-2 ثُمَّ تَكُونُ مُلْكًا عَاضًّا فَيَكُونُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا)
@Neorient I know the translation of the hadith. You don't have translate it if you want. Islam doesn't encourage force in order to establish itself on earth. No religion came for that purpose as a matter of fact. God sends prophets to bring people back to God and His ways, not by force but with love. Relationship of man can't be established with God by force. Quite the contrary infact. When the perfect religion has come through Islam, its teachings have to be established in the world with love!
...Having worldly rule as a necessity to establish truth has never been the only way. This is evident from the history of religion. Truth can only be established in a society that accepts it whole heartedly. Islam's purpose is certainly not a political one. It is a gross misunderstanding. It is far above than what people associate it with. The purpose of Khilafat in this age is also a spiritual one. The purpose is to keep Muslims united + on the path of true teachings of Islam!
How many times you heard this complete Hadeeth of Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam narrated by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman radiyAllaahu 'anhu in Arabic? How many Ghulam Ahmadis have read in Arabic all the Ahaadeeth at least those narrated by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman radiyAllaahu 'anhu in Musnad Ahmad?
@Neorient The name of Imam Mahdi (as) is not Ghulam AHMADI rather Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam AHMAD. Ahmadi Muslims always put Quran as the first source of guidance and read the ahadith in the light of Quranic teachings. Which particular hadith are you talking about, and what is your inference from it?
The Hadeeth you are quoting in narrated by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan radiyAllaahu 'anhu recorded in Musnad Ahmad in Musnad-ul-Ansaar(Arabic Link)
as well as in Mishkaat-ul-Masaabeeh.In Musnad Ahmad Khilafat of Abubakr radiyAllaahu 'anhu and the next ones is called Khilafat ala minhajin nubuwwah.(Arabic Link) I couldn't post Arabic links.
@Neorient I never denied the Khilafat of first four Khulafa of Holy Prophet as "Khilafat ala Minjhajin Nabuwwah". Those khulafa were given the worldly authority as well just like many prophets. The revival of true Islamic Khilafat with the coming of Imam Mahdi however doesn't have the worldly power so far, just like many other prophets. Whenever such need would arise, Allah will bestow power to the Khalifa as well. Worldly rule/power however is not a necessity for a true Khalifa!
"According to Holy Prophet (pbuh) this Khilafat of today had to be in the precept of Prophethood (Khilafat Ala Minjajan Nabuwwah)."Nubuwwah here refers to Nubuwwah of Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam.He(Mahdi) will govern the people by the SUNNAH of their Prophet sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam (Imaam Abudawood rahimahu(A)llaah in Kitaab-ul-Mahdi)
@Neorient Well it never says in the hadith that the khilafat in the latter days be in the precept of Holy Prophet's prophethood alone. Also this khilafat is not just that of Imam Mahdi's but those Khalifas who had to follow him one after the other. Khilafat of Holy Prophet is not just confined to one land or country, rather to the whole world. So he doesn't need to have any worldly authority as such confined to a piece of land. Imam Mahdi has brought the Islam of Muhammad (pbuh) back to earth!
In Aayah12 of Soorah al-Ahzaab, Allaah says: And behold! The Hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease (even) say: "(Allah) and His Messenger promised us nothing but delusion!"
In Aayah 65 of Soorah an-Nisaa, Allaah says:But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.
@Neorient That is the rule of the heart. One only accepts the decisions of a prophet when the true prophet resides and rules the heart of a person. Hypocrites are hypocrites because their hearts are ruled by evil and not the truth!
Assalaamu 'alaa manittaba'al Hudaa(Salaam on whom who follows Guidance)
Khilafah of Mahdi means He would be a Ruler if we really believe in Allaah's Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam.
Imaam Abu Dawood rahimahu(A)llaah records,AbuSa'id al-Khudri radiyAllaahu 'anhu said:The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He(Mahdi) will rule for seven years.
@Neorient Rule does not have to be of territories alone, the rule over the hearts of people is the biggest one. According to Holy Prophet (pbuh) this Khilafat of today had to be in the precept of Prophethood (Khilafat Ala Minjajan Nabuwwah). Just like a prophet doesn't have to rule a country, a true Khalifa doesn't have to. Ahmadiyya Khilafah is the true Khilafat of Islam today, no matter how much you try to reject it. Number of years the Mahdi had to live according to hadiths is a disputed one!
@samrazulfiqar His name is Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and not just Mirza ghulam. Anyway, we believe him to be the same Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah who was prophecied about by our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) more than 1400 years ago. What would happen in distant future is something that only Allah knows. Our view however is that he is the same Messiah of the latter days who was awaited by all major religions of the world. His Khilafat is here that to us is permanent too.
wake up ahmadies......if u believe in quran...it says the prophet muhammad S.A.W is the LAST prophet......ahmad ghadian is not prophet...is not mesiah (mahdi) is not jesus......u r those people when quran says : they see the truth they see the evidense but they never believe in right thing
@atensari According to hadith, the revival of Khilafat in this age had to be in the precept of PROPHETHOOD (Khilafat Ala Minjaje Nabuwwah). If you can prove to me that every prophet must rule independent state, then I will agree to your point that Khilfat must have political rule as well!
@IslamAhmadiya: Mirza claims he came with the Stamp of Prophet Muhammad SAW, his followers should follow Standards Muhammad SAW
When in comes to your interest you are talking about other prophets, other hand you criticize Muslims over punishment of Apostasy, that it was shariat of Musa AS /watch?v=DuRNk9eBNa0
Muhammad SAW established the state & rule of Allah. Qadiyani neither have state nor have the ability to establish the rule of Shariat. Just a so-called Khalifa & his virtual Khalifat
@atensari We follow the standards (Quran, hadith and sunnah) of Holy Prophet and that is the reason we don't believe that Khalifa must have a worldly state to rule also. According to the words of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the revival of Khilafat had to be in the precept of prophethood not particularly the prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammad. Had Holy Prophet said something else, we would have believed that. Just like a prophet doesn't need to have worldy rule, Khalifa is same!
@IslamAhmadiya:Madina was an Islamic State, Muhammad SAW was the sole supreme personality and Quran-o-Sunnah the supreme Law. Khalafat mean establishing Divine Law over all other Laws instead living under Human made un-Islamic laws
No standard exist that say’s Khalafat will be a Family Business/Dictatorship. As Hindus & Sikhs learnt the word “Shaheed” to title their heroes, similarly Jamat-a-Kazabia has learnt the word “Khalafat & Khalifa” from Muslims, both has nothing to do with Islam.
@atensari Last warning to you. Stop using disrespectful language here on my channel, otherwise any such not only would be removed but you will be banned from my channel to ever post again. Now coming back to the topic. Who has disputed that Holy Prophet's prophethood had worldly power with it too? Holy Prophet prophecied about "Khilafat on the precept of prophethood" and not the prophethood particularly of Holy Prophet. Who blieves in Khilafat being family business? Make yourself clear!
@IslamAhmadiya: In your Jamat it is family Business, son after son, brother after brother.
Is there any reference that after Mahdi and Maseeh there will be their Khulafa.Will the Khulafa will live under Evil System of Democracy and Secularism.
Muslims do not have any dispute that Khalafa will have Power too, even Ghamid Sahib emphasis that Khalafat is associated with State not with ASYLUM. Your officials tried to give their meanings to Ghamdi's words & hide the other two questions
@atensari Another hypocritical statement. All the four Khulafa after Holy Prophet (pbuh), ie. Abu Bakr, Umer, Usman, and Ali (Raziallahu anhuma) were related to him in one way or the other. Does that mean it was family business of Holy Prophet too God forbid? We don't need to hide anything, actually we are more than happy to answer any questions that are asked with honest intentions. What is it that is still bothering you. By the way, first Khalifa of Promised Messiah had no relation with him!
@atensari Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra) was Holy Prophet's cousin as well as father in law. Hadhrat Umer's (ra) daughter was married to Holy Prophet, Two of the daughters of Holy Prophet (pbuh) got married to Hadhrat Usman (ra), and Hadhrat Ali (ra) was the nephew of Holy Prophet as well his son in law. These are quite strong relationships with Holy Prophet. Hypocritical minded people just like the ones who accuse Ahmadiyya Khilafat being "family business" should first "accuse" earlier Khilafat Nzbilla!
@atensari What was the question of the "Ahmadi" that you need the answer. Ask me here, I will respond you here. By the way, how do you know that the question was asked by an "Ahmadi Muslim"? Why can't it be a Mullah posing as an Ahmadi? Regardless, whats the question thats bothering you so much?
@atensari Ask your question that is "bothering" you. I will answer you here. Stop beating about the bush. Next time be civilised when you talk with me. Slander and abuse would not be tolerated here in my channel.
@IslamAhmadiya: Why the officials of the Jamat can not reply the other two Questions, like they commented on the first one. Why they are afraid of discussing their own believes. You ppl always propagate against Muslims to calling you Kafir, what you believe about us?
First look in your collar, then give lessons to others. Observe the sweet language, deceiving edited videos posted by your group.
@atensari Ok now you are asking the question. What do we consider non-Ahmadi Muslims to be? Before I reply to you, I ask you two simple question. What is the verdict of Quran on a person who rejects a true prophet of Allah? Also what is your belief about those people who will reject the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah according to your own understanding? These are very simple straight forward questions, I expect a straight forward honest answer. I wll explain our position further once you answer
@atensari Do I need to say anything more? Regardless of what you consider Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) to be, we consider him to be the true Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah. What should be our view in relation to those who reject him and consider him as a false claimant? One rule for us, and the other for yourself? Why this hypocrisy? Now what is your and your Mullahs justification for calling us Kafirs and making sure that the constitution does the same?
@IslamAhmadiya: You can not say anything, you only show one sided picture to the world. We are called Kafirs, but you do not tell what you think about Muslims. Have some courage if you have real faith that you belong to Naji group. Ask the officials answer the remain 2 questions as well
@atensari You asked me a question, I gave you the answer. How is that called "one sided picture"? We neither have any desire, nor do we shout in the streets to impose our way of thinking on others and declaring others as Kafirs. Having a belief is one thing, but imposing your belief on others forcefully is something totally different. Now, yes we say it emphatically that we are the 73rd Jamaat Holy Prophet prophecied about. What are the remaining 2 questions?
"Islam in not complete without faith in Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, just as Hajj is not complete without attending congregation at Qadian. It is because Hajj to Mekkah these days does not serve its purpose." (Paygham-e-Sulh, 19 April 1933)
khilafat = islami hakoomat ka sarbarah, ye iqtadar ka moamla hai, tabhi Allah ne kaha tha ke mayn insan ko peda karun ga jo mera khalifa hai zameen mayn. yani un ko zameen mayn iqtadar/hakoomat/khilafat mile gi.
@ABlazingStar Listen to the whole explanation given by the Ahmadiyya scholar on the issue with reference to the verse under discussion, and then come back to me. The verse of Surah Noor and then the hadith of Holy Prophet (Khilafat ala Minhaje Nabuwwah; Khilafat on the precept of PROPHETHOOD) makes it clear without a shadow of doubt that it is not mere worldly power that is being talked about here. It is a much higher and sacred institution than you think. Ponder hard with pure heart.
@ABlazingStar Walaikumus Salam brother. Minhajun Nabuwwah means "on the precepts of PROPHETHOOD". There have been many prophets in the past who didn't have worldly governments and titles. Just like a prophet may or may not be ruler in worldly terms, a Khalifa may or may not be a worldly ruler. One thing though is forsure that a prophet as well as a true Khalifa is chosen by God to keep people in the path of God.
The Non-Muslim Ahmadis are simply jelaous because after over hundred years of trying to establish khilafat they failed so now they say there is no such thing as khilafat. we can tell that they are now tired of all this and given up all hopes.
is ayat me Khaleefa is meaning me use nahi kiya gaya..Molana sahab ne lafz khaleefa ko kisi aur sense me lia hy, haan Deen ko samajhne k liye Alim ya wali Allah aur aam insaano ko follow kiya ja sakta hy.
Khalifas are subordinate to the prophets to whom they represent. There were prophets who had authority and there were prophets who had no authority. So what is right for a prophet would definitely be fine for a khalifa. As for our Holy Prophet sallalaho alehe wa sallam, his life comprised of two parts; one the Meccan one when he had no authority and the other the Medinite one when he had authority. Authority or no authority has no effect upon God gifted status.
@Miyyan1 Yes "Make them" is in plural. It does not necessarily mean that all the khalifas will come at one time. They were to come after the other. So that makes it plural. Allah says in Quran that he would send prophets towards people of the world. That did not mean that all 120,000 prophets came at one time. They came one after the other. So the word used was "rusul" i.e., prophets in plural.
@Miyyan1 Yes in the term "Make them", the word "them" is in plural. But it is childish to say that it means that all the khalifas will come at one time. They were to come one after the other. So that makes it plural. Allah says in Quran that he would send prophets towards people of the world. That did not mean that all 120,000 prophets came at one time. They came one after the other. So the word used was "rusul" i.e., prophets in plural.
@xiaahmad As I have said earlier that Khalifa can have political authority too, but it is not must. The earlier Khilafat in Islam did have political power as well. By the way rightly guided Khilafat is considered to be from Abu Bakr (ra) to Ali (ra). The Khilafats that followed after Hadhrat Ali (ra) are not considered to be on the precept of prophethood. Just like a prophet remains prophet until his demise, Khalifa remains Khalifa till his demise. Good Luck with your version of Khilafat though!
@IslamAhmadiya: This is a valid view. There were scores of khalifas in the muslim world with authority. There were Ummayad, the Ummavis, Usmania etc. etc. But khilafat e raashida, the blessed khilafat was confined to the first four rightly guided caliphs. So mere authority is not enough.
@xiaahmad Your understanding of true Islamic Khilafat is so material and limited in nature. Islam is a universal religion and doesn't confine to the boundaries of a state or a country. People from all backgrounds, races and nations become part of this faith. The true Khilafat hence in this religion has to be universal too and not just confined to one state or country. Khalifa is a spiritual head of all the Muslims of the world. He doesn't have to have any material power as such.
@xiaahmad Jesus was a true prophet of Allah and the Messiah for the Jews. The Jews also expected a Messiah who would have political power and government. In reality, God sent a completely opposite Messiah. A Messiah who was under the rule of the Roman Empire. Instead of fighting them, he instructed his followers to discard all such notions of revenge. A Khalifa can have political power, but it is not must. The real purpose of Khalifa is to keep the Muslims united under one righteous leadership.
@xiaahmad Did you just say that Jesus was NOT a prophet? Amazing statement that is. Quran quotes the saying of Jesus in the following words: "He (Jesus) said, ‘I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book, and made me a PROPHET" (19:30/31) It is amazing how the opponents of Ahmadiyya Community try to justify their oppositions. Holy Prophet declared this Khilafat on the precept of PROPHETHOOD. A prophet doesn't have to hold a political power, hence Khalifa also doesn't have to have that.
@xiaahmad You are repeating yourself. Khalifa can have political power but it is not must. Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself declared this Khilafat as "Khilafat Ala Minjahe Nabuwwah" (Khilafat on the precept of PROPHETHOOD). A prophethood doesn't have to have political power with it. Similarly, Khilafat on the precept of Prophethood doesn't have to have political reign.
@xiaahmad Holy Prophet (pbuh) was given the political power as well, but many prophets didn't get any political power. I have already given the example of Jesus (as). The Khilafat that was prophecied by Holy Prophet in his ummah had to be in the precept of Prophethood, so just like a prophet doesn't have to have political authority, Khalifa also doesn't have to have that. How did the previous prophets implement their decisions when they were under the political rule of others?
@xiaahmad Khilafat Ala Minjhajun Nabuwwah means Khilafat on the precept/pattern/template of Prophethood. So just as a prophet of God doesn't need to have a government, similarly a Khalifat doesn't have to have a government. Why Imam Hussain (ra) went to Kufa had its own reasons. These were still very early days of Islam. Headquaters of "Khilafat" had already moved there. Hassan (ra) had given his Khilafat to Muawiah on the condition that Hussain (ra0 would succeed him so on and so forth.
But it is not khilafat of prophets its Khilafat ot Ummah where Khlifah rule over whole ummah lead them make decision for them, implement decision for them
so without political power how can khalifah do all this best he can do is not let them have office seat so he is not more like that CEO or some organization
@xiaahmad Every true prophet comes in the world to show his community the true ways to God and the ways to implement them. How did the prophets implement their decisions when they came under the political rule of non-believers? When Holy Prophet declared this Khilafat on the precept of prophethood then how can you say that Khilafat must have political power with it when many prophets didn't have any political power at all?
@xiaahmad "Acting" as prophets? Why don't you just hire professional actors to do the job then? Afterall, there are so many actors available in the "Muslim" ummah today. Why can't they just ask somebody to become "Khalifa" and act as prophet. "Muslims" also have political authorities in so many countries, I am sure they can make their Khilafat. Why then they can't do it today. Maybe its because the real Khilafat is already there that you just want to deny for the sake of it!
@xiaahmad Well then when your "leaders" get honest then discuss this thing with us. So rather than getting jealous by the contineous progress of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community under the rightly guided Khilafat, get your own house in order. You havn't yet answered, if Khilafat has to be on the precept of Prophethood, then how is it that Khilafat must have political power even though there have been many prophets without any political power? You also didn't respond to ur "acting" as a prophet comment!
@xiaahmad What is the purpose of a true prophet? Why did all the prophets come in the world? Didn't they come to guide people towards God and to implement His ways in the world? If they did, then how did they all implement this without having any political power? According to the words of Holy Prophet, the Khilafat had to be in the precept of prophethood. Hence political power is not necessary. Jamaat Ahmadiyya worldwide is led by the Khalifa under which a whole system of Jamaat works.
@xiaahmad: Quran says that prophets of Allah too were khalifas.Most prophets did not carry political leadership.Examples are those of Hazrat Eisa and Hazrat Yousuf. Among over one hundred thousan prophets, these two are among about 26 prophets that have been referred to in the Holy Quran. Both these prophets did not hold political kingship. So a caliph according to Quran may not necessarily hold kingship or political top leadership.
@xiaahmad: What you allege me to be doing, you are yourself indulging in. I said there have in the past been prophets who did not hold temporal authority like Jesus. You give one example of Hazrat Imam Hussain allehisaslam but you forget that not all caliphates following the earlier prophets had temporal authortiy. I have given specific example of Hazrat Eisa whose caliphate in the form of Pope exists till today. Pope may be a changed form of caliphate but it does provide a living example.
where the prophets of past where Khalifah of muslim ummah no
yes thats what I am saying ur leader is like pope not like Khalifah of Muslims.
infact even pope is not living under rule of some other lady., so u agree that mirza masroor is more like the way we have imams and NOT Khalifah using title for himself does not make some one khalifah
@xiaahmad I certainly do not agree with your assersions at all. It doesn't matter if the political power of the country is run by a man or a woman. That is irrelevant. The Khilafat promised in Quran and hadith is the spiritual leadership from God in order to keep the Momineen united, to shield spiritually (not politically read the verse) the momineen against the evils of the world with Allah's succor, to convert their state of fear into peace, on the precept of prophethood.
@xiaahmad And I have already explained to you that the Khilafat promised in the ummah of Holy Prophet had to be in the precept of prophethood. So just like a prophet didn't necessarily have the worldly authority, the Khalifas don't have to have political power. So those prophets who came without any political authority, were they just "sort of Imam and nothing more than that"? As I said earlier, rather than burning yourself in the fire of jealosy, you should try to put your house in order first
@xiaahmad Rightly guided Khilafat is called rightly guided because it is from God. If God doesn't guide the Khalifa, how can this be rightly guided? To you, Khalifa won't receive any revealtions from God? How would he get the guidance then? To you not even the Khalifa of the Muslim ummah can receive revelations from God, to me even an ordinary momin receives the honour of the communion with God. To me the God still speaks to His chosen one, to you He doesn't. How unfortunate!
@IslamAhmadiya: Your comments that Allah speaks today as He spoke earlier are apt. None of Allah's attributes are idle or dead. Allah is Living, so are His attributes. Every muslim believes about the advent of Imam Mahdi. Who will tell Imam Mahdi that he is Imam Mahdi? Of course, Allah. So every true muslim believes that the door of revelations is not story of the past. Allah's attributes are ever living.
@xiaahmad: Khilafate Rashida was established after Holy Prophet as per promise made by Allah in Surah Noor(Verse 55) that He would make khalifas among believers as He made khalifas in the past. That is one form of khilafat where spiritual and temporal leaderships were combined. Another form of khilafat as it appeared in the past was where temporal khilafat was not combined with spiritual one. It is in that context that khilafat in Ahmadiyyat resembles khilafat of similar type of the past.
@xiaahmad: The successors to prophets according to Quran (Sura Noor) are called khalifas.There was caliphate after Jesus. Present Pope is the degenerated form of the system that has survived 2000 years.Bible has been changed over the centuries, so have the system and teachings of Christianity. As for your comments regarding some foreign rule are concerned, very many prophets have appeared under "foreign" or even hostile governments. What is right for a prophet would also be right for a caliph.
plus what we are talking about what Khalifah of Islamic ummah means that Khalifah who is leader of nation of muslims where Khalifah can implement his rules and orders not that he himself is being ordered by others
@xiaahmad:In Surah Noor Allah promises khilafat on the pattern of khilafat of the past.Pope of the present age is the degenerated form of true khilafat of Jesus. Khilafate Ahmadiyya is in puritine form on the path of nubawat as prophesied by Holy Prophet. As for living under foreign rule, there is nothing wrong with that. Many prophets lived under hostile rule. Our Holy Prophet lived under hostile authority during his Meccan life. What is good for prophets would also be good for khulafa.
and yes ur khilafat is just like pope infact even he is head of vatican state but ur masroor is not
as I explained to you that in Islamic ummah see from the start Khalifah is the head of Islamic state and have politcal power and is not like so Qazi or Molvi of Masjid the way ur leader is
and thats reality which u cant deny weather u like it or not
It is because the Muslim Ummah does not believe in the promised Messiah and the Khalifa, there is no unity, no drive and no leadership... Unfortunately because of this, the obedience of the Islamic laws have wavered into self belied segments and Muslims fight among them selves....
WOW! The scholar says that it is ayat 56, whereas it is ayat # 55 that the scholar so lovingly quotes. And his translation of the phrase 'ahtakhlafinna-hum' as 'will be given khilafat' is simply not true. Please check what the word means - it means that God will 'accede to power'. That can be translated as 'political power' but can not be translated as 'political khilafat'. Please friends, ALWAYS check wht 'scholars' say. And God knows Best, of course.
@momekh First of all, Ahmadi Muslims consider "Bismillah" before every surah as its first verse because to us there is not even a single dot in Quran that is additional, so how can Bismillah be? This is the reason why the verse that you see as 55 is actually 56 to us. Secondly, the Arabic word under discussion has come from the same root as Khilafah. "Khalafa". To you Khilafat might not mean anything, but to us all the problems of non-Ahmadi Muslims today are because of no Khilafat-e-Rashida.
@TribeofShabazz Brother, I did mention the language of the video in its description. I am sorry if it caused some inconvenience to you. I prefer title of the videos in English regardless of the language of the video. Wassalam
@IslamAhmadiya Its alright. Since u responded so politely, I actually feel bad & think I may have been a bit 2 harsh in my response 2 u. If so, I apologize beloved. As-Salaam-Alaikum.
Do you all believe in the truthfulness of this response? I don't think so. What have those quoted verses to do with the khalifat of a sectarian jamaat?
Holy Prophet had prophesied that his ummat will be divided into 73 sects of whom only one sect would be on right path. He said that this would be a jamaat that would follow him and his companions. Jamaat is an organization that is headed by one blessed leader who is loved by members of the organization. The leader loves his jama'at. The leader guides his followers to do good and to shun evil. Jamaat Ahmadiyya is headed by a blessed khalifa. This jamaat fulfills all these conditions.
You are so much against mullahs but you are arguing with a Mullah-interpretation of this noble hadith. Once again, ask yourself, do you really believe, everybody outside jamaat-e-ahmadiya is going to hell? I hope you don't. In that case, leave that "saved sect" kind of mullah crap.
Saifulilm: This noble hadith is from Tirmazi. You are right that it would not be interpreted to say that all those belonging to 72 sects will go to hell. It is Allahs domain of course to decide who is to go to hell and who wont. A blessed leader guides one to right path and advises one to shun evil. One's life in this world too may be as if one is living in hell. It is so when one is leaderless and is like sheep outside a herd or when is not sure about one's future.
With words like blessed leadership and leaderlessness you are still driving towards the same interpretation. Don't you think it's a VERY weak argument, if you use your takfeer by other muslim sects as an argument of your truth? As a joke it makes sense, when you show the news "All 72 sects agree upon takfeer of Ahmadiya" and then conclude ha ha ha we are the saved sect. In a serious debate, it has no weightage.
This is a simple logic.There is an organised group that is headed by a leader who loves its members and its members have full faith in him and love him from their hearts. He advises them of good and stops them from sins.The members of this group try to obey their leader. There is another group that has no single leader. Everyone with some knowledge thinks he is the leader. There is no organisation. Which of the two groups has unity and has synergy.
saifulim. This is a simple easy logic. There is one group which has one single leader whom they all obey and love from their hearts.The leader prays for them day and night. Naturally this group has unity and organisation. There is another group or groups who have no one leader. Everyone of them who has studied upto Primary class or he has spent some years in a madrissah thinks that he is the leader. Which of the two groups will have synergy. Ask a school boy and you would get the right answer!
Allah promises Muslim believers who perform noble acts that He would grant them with khilafat as He did among earlier people. Through khilafat He would bestow a state of peace and comfort for believers after their state of fear. Similarly Holy Prophet prophesied establishment of khilafat on the path of nubawat towards the last days. Ghamdi sahib has therefore erred in saying that there is no concept of khilafat in Islam.
Ahmadi muslims show true character of disciples of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa salalalho alehewa sallam as given in Surah Fatah,(48:29) as under:
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those who are with him are hard against the disbelievers, tender among themselves."
So there is brotherhood and true love among Ahmadi muslims. They are not divided like others. They spread true teachings of Islam all over world under banner of Khilafat.Alhamdolillah. Unity of ummah requires one leadership.
People of all races, colours and nationalities are coming together under the umbrella of khilafat Ahmadiyya Haqqa Islamia Raashida. One has only to attend an Ahmadiyya Jalsa salana to witness how muslims from all over the world are becoming ummate waahida.
i do believe that every reasonable person should respect for the reasonable person they respect .i have always trouble understanding that why ahmadis have to convince others that mirza sahib is Mehdi .there is no profound evidence and i think it is like saying as Christians say that Jesus pbuh is son of God ,it is totally unnecessary unless it is necessary for political purposes .If any body preached love respect and how to get close to God then there is no reason to escalate it make a problem.
iltamian 1 month ago
@iltamian Why is it necessary for us as Muslims to convince others that Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is a true prophet of Allah? If you know the answer to that question, then you will get the answer to your question too. Nothing to do with politics.
IslamAhmadiya 2 weeks ago
@IslamAhmadiya The intellect of the holy prophet and the the Qur'an speaks for itself.what has mirza sahib to offer of a similar caliper ? i do not think that mirza sahib said that he is a prophet?????
iltamian 2 weeks ago
@strongmale22 pretty lame reason!!!
MrFaiq90 4 months ago
mirza gulam ahmed qadiyani said that BRITISH FORCES ARE A RAHMAT FROM ALLAH.british forces occupied india ,did british had the right to do that ?.british forces killed many muslims in india,what about them?mirza was an agent of british.how can a true muslim say that occupaying forces are a rahmat from allah,when they are killing muslims ?
strongmale22 6 months ago
@strongmale22 Have you ever tried to look into this matter with pure heart? Have you ever done any research yourself as to why Promised Messiah said this? I am sure if you had done some proper unbiased research on this you would have not raised this question here. Read this and you will get the full picture of the story and not just one side of the coin the Mullahs want people to see: alislam . o r g/books/truth/british . h t m l
Take out the spaces from the link.
IslamAhmadiya 6 months ago 2
it is true
Mitho366 6 months ago
WHAT AN IDIOTIC RESPONSE from Naseer..... This Ustad Naseer is misinterpreting Quranic ayaat...
zeeshandar1977 8 months ago
@zeeshandar1977 Why don't you correct this "idiotic response" then and we will see how "sane" your interpretation of the Quranic verse is then.
IslamAhmadiya 8 months ago
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SHUT da hell up, DONT u call urselves muslims.. if AHMADI WAS TRUE PROPHET WAS WHY WUD HE DIE DURING HIS SHITTING SESSION, is THAT HOW PROPHET NAUZUBILAAH dies ??? HUH GET LOST U SHIT
djfasy 8 months ago
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lol, Ahmadi's reply with no logic, Ghamdi put forward a solid logic
eahmadnawaz 10 months ago
subhan-allah
Naseer Anjum sahib khuda aapko Hameisha isi tarha mohammad rasoolullah SAW aur mirza sahib AW ki ittebaa mein unheen ki tarah Quraan ke mataalib aur maarif biyan kerne ki taufeeq deta rahey AMEEN SUMMA AMEEN
yahan mirza sahib ka ek ilhaam unki sachaiee ki taraf ishara ker raha hai
ILHAM=Terey firqa ke log elm-o-maarifat mein kamaal hasil kareingey
tariqbkk 1 year ago
Na laik he ye banda ghamdi. Hazur s.a.w. ne farmaya k MA MIN NABUWATIN ILLA ATTABIUHA KHILAFATUN ka koi nabuwat esi nahi k jis k itba khilafat ne na ki ho. Hazrat EEsa k b khalifa the yani k. Khilafat state ki hakumat ko nahi kehte balke momno me aik aasmani nezam he ye. Quran me surat noor me jahan khilafat ka zikr he wahan dunyawi hakumat ka koi zikr nahi balke ye kaha gia he k eman aur saleh amal walo k khilafat di jae gi
nZeesh 1 year ago
@nZeesh Jesus did not have Successors, only Disciples. None of them even had any country, nation or city to rule. Ghamdi is an Islamic scholar.
amoralis123 1 year ago
@amoralis123 Mr. this is the difference b/w ahmadis and you on the concept of khilafa. you people don't know the meanings of khilafa. Being a khalifa of a prophet don't rrequires wordly govt. but its an divine govt. and if ghamdi is an islamic scholar. Hazoor sallalahu elehe wassalam said that a time would come that the scholars of my ummah would the worst people on earth. do you wanna know the reference of this hadith?
nZeesh 1 year ago
@amoralis123
bahut jaahil ho aap ahmadiyon ne kab kaha hai ke khilafat ki nishani countries + cities per hukumat kera hai yeh to tumharey so called scholars ka aqeeda hai jahantak Jesus(ibne mariyam) ka taaluq hai to pitras kaun tha woh Jesus ka ek hawari tha aur Jesus ka Successor bana Jesus ke baad aur usika yeh bira hua silsila hai jiska head aajke daur mein pop hai aur ek bahut bari nation ko represent kerta hai
tariqbkk 1 year ago
@amoralis123
aur tumko Jesus ki nation nation hi nazar naheen aati tumhari information keliye araz hai ke Jesus ki nation is waqat Mohammad Rasolullah SAW ki nation se kafi bari hai yeh sachaie hai aur hum Mohammad Rasolullah SAW ki perwi kernewaaley hain unhone hamein sach bolna aur sach snna sikhaya hai
tariqbkk 1 year ago
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Na laik he ye banda ghamdi. Hazur s.a.w. ne farmaya k MA MIN NABUWATIN ILLA ATTABIUHA KHILAFATUN ka koi nabuwat esi nahi k jis k itba khilafat ne na ki ho. Hazrat EEsa k b khalifa the yani k. Khilafat state ki hakumat ko nahi kehte balke momno me aik aasmani nezam he ye. Quran me surat noor me jahan khilafat ka zikr he wahan dunyawi hakumat ka koi zikr nahi balke ye kaha gia he k eman aur saleh amal walo k khilafat di jae gi
nZeesh 1 year ago
Na laik he ye banda ghamdi. Hazur s.a.w. ne farmaya k MA MIN NABUWATIN ILLA ATTABIUHA KHILAFATUN ka koi nabuwat esi nahi k jis k itba khilafat ne na ki ho. Hazrat EEsa k b khalifa the yani k. Khilafat state ki hakumat ko nahi kehte balke momno me aik aasmani nezam he ye. Quran me surat noor me jahan khilafat ka zikr he wahan dunyawi hakumat ka koi zikr nahi balke ye kaha gia he k eman aur saleh amal walo k khilafat di jae gi
nZeesh 1 year ago
Nalaiq he ye banda Ghamdi bi. BeAqal ko itna nahi pata k islam me to he hi khilafat ka concept na k badshahat ka. Khilafat kisi state ki hakomat ko nahi kehte balke aik rohani silsila he.
Hazoor S.a.w ne farmaya k MA MIN NABUWATIN ILLA ITTABI'UHA KHILAFATUN yani koi nabuwat esi nahi k jis k itba khilafat ne na ki ho. Hazor ne surat Juma k ibtadai ayat k nazul k bad farmay k agar eman surraya pe b chala gia to ehl e faras me se aik shaksh eman wapis le aae ga.
nZeesh 1 year ago
ya tu tarjuma ap nay kea hai muhatram, or khilafat ka matlab hukumat say bhee jawzay ga.
amjadmaam 1 year ago
@amjadmaam I couldn't understand your post, can you explain it further.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
Naseer Ahmed Anjum could not understand the statement of Ghamdi exactly.He is just opposing.Although,there are thousands of Khalifas and Khalafats in sufi orders like chisty ,qaderi etc.It means they have also been selected by ALLAH?
Hero7418 1 year ago
@Hero7418 Well there is only one Jamaat in Islam that is united world over with the true Khilafat-e-Rashida. That Khilafat-e-Rashida was revived after the coming of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah. Just like the first four Khulafa who came after the demise of Holy Prophet Muhammad, the Khilafat ala MinhajunNabuwwah was revived after the demise of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah (the true servant of Holy Prophet and the one who came as a subordinate prophet of Holy Prophet Muhammad in this age).
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya This is your personal opinion about your Khalafit.We do not accept Mirza Sahab as prophet or Immam Mehadi.Therefore.your so called Khalafit is just up to you.Because majority of muslims do not accept it.Imam Mehadi will succeed in his mission due to the help of Allah whereas Mirza shab spent entire his life to prove himself as Mahdi Maud.But he failed rather brought about divide of Muslim Ummah.
Hero7418 1 year ago
@Hero7418 Your argument is flawed from the very foundations. If majority rejects a true chosen one of God, it doesn't make the prophet false. Holy Prophet is declared to be "Rahmatullil Alameen" (Mercy for th whole worlds) in the Holy Quran. More than 1400 years have passed and a large majority of the world still rejects him. Does it mean that Quran was wrong about him? Just like he is mercy for anyone who accepts him, Khilafat is uniting anyone who accepts this Khilafat!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya Your argument is also very very irrelevant to Islamic discussions.Because,is there not any difference between a ordinary humane being and a Muslim.We are not just discussing the majority and minority.We are discussing the opinion and stance of the muslims.Those who do not believe in The Holy Quran and those who believe in it are two different entities.Your disputed Khalafit is rejected by that majority which believe in Allah,Holy Prophet,Quran and in all Islamic doctrine.
Hero7418 1 year ago
@Hero7418 Give me a single reference from Quran or hadith that states that Muslims will always remain guided and won't act un-Islamically. He actually declared the "ulema" of today as the worst creatures under the sky. Prophecy about Imam Mahdi was for the time when faith had to completely go away from the face of earth. There had to be mosques full of worshippers but without any guidance. These are Holy Prophet's words and not mine. Majority had to follow wrong initially: /watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya I have heard from some ulema that the 72 sects hadith is not an authentic hadith. The narration is very weak. So this hadith should not be used to justify any divisions among muslims in sects. Rather this weak hadith is used to create dissentions among the Muslims which is what exactly it is doing. We are declaring each other Kafirs and slaughtering like arch enemies instead of amicably listening to each other's views as brothers...
irtezaa 1 year ago
@irtezaa Brother, that hadith infact is one of the greatest proofs of the truth of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). All the words of Holy Prophet have come true word by word. Watch this video brother: /watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo
The hadith doesn't condemn each individual belonging to every wrong sect to be hellbound rather it explains the overall situation of these sects. There will be infightings, indiscipline, disunity so on and so forth. They were to be in a state of fire. This is what it is.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
part-3
"Similarly ACCORDING TO AHADITH of Holy Prophet, Imam Mahdi and "Jesus" had to be titles of same one person."
'Eesaa 'alaihis salaam is the name of Son of Maryam not some title.Mahdi is a title given by Rasool SAAWS even to Mu'aawiyah radiyAllaahu 'anhu .Changing a title(Mahdi) into an individual , and changing the name of an individual('Eesaa) to a title is once again blatant Tahreef of the words of Rasool SAAWS for arguing for the sake of arguing and Takzeeb of Rasool SAAWS.
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient You call somebody a lion because of his bravery, or Hatim Tai because of his generosity, does it make the person physically/literally a lion or Hatim Tai? This is a title given to a person because of his exclusive attributes. Holy Prophet prophecied of a time when 72 sects of Muslims had to resemble with the Jews of time of Jesus like two shoes of same pair. So the remedy had to be in the resemblance, likeness and character of Jesus. This is not tahreef, rather understanding the wisdom
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@Neorient I have removed your last two comments because it helps nobody during the discussion when you post so many comments together at the same time. You then have to answer so many topics at one single time. Lets take things one by one. I would request you not to post more than 2-3 comments at one single time. Also try to keep the discussion to the topic.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
part-2
Becoming Nabi before Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam is called Nubbi'a Qablahoo in Arabic in Tafseer Khaazin
These are Holy Prophet's words, no "twisting"!
I am referring to the blatant Tahreef in Hadeeth of Nu'maan ibn Basheer radiyAllaahu 'anhu recorded by Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal rahimahu(A)llaah in Musnad-ul-Koofiyyeen.
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient When did I ever dispute the fact that Jesus came around 600 years before Holy Prophet? Regardless of if he is a new prophet or old, you see a need of PROPHET AFTER Holy Prophet. To you it will be an Israelite prophet of more than 2000 years who will come back, while to me it had to be an ummati prophet of Holy Prophet who had to come in the character of Jesus at a time when Muslims had to resemble exactly like Jews of time of Jesus. What gives Islam a new life? Think with pure heart.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
How do you see the coming of PROPHET JESUS AFTER Holy Prophet? ACCORDING TO HADITH the coming "Jesus" (metaphorically) had to be a NABIULLAH There is a difference between BECOMING a Nabi and Nuzool.It was not Nuzool of Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam at age 40 but BECOMING a Nabi.That's why, when Muslims are asked in Qabr:Man Nabiyyuka?They will answer Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam not 'Eesaa 'alaihis salaam because He BECAME Nabi before Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam.
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient Allah Almighty says in Quran: 'And He has sent (Nuzool) down eight head of cattle in pairs. (Al-Zumar, 6/7) Have you ever seen the cattle literally descending from some heaven if the meaning of Nuzool has to be taken literally? The truth is that wherever in the quran the word "Nuzool" has been used, it is in reference to something that extremely beneficial for mankind. For God's sake try to understand the wisdom of Quran and hadith.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
part-2
Twisting the words of Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam is Tahreef like Jews and Christians.In Aayah 54 of Soorah an-Noor, Allaah says:If ye obey Him(Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam), ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach clearly.In Aayah 28 of Soorah an-Najm, Allaah says:But they have no knowledge therein. They follow nothing but Zann(conjecture); and Zann avails nothing against Haqq(Truth).
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient Please don't accuse me of "twisting" the words of Holy Prophet. My understanding of Islam differs from yours but to accuse me of twisting things will take you no where. How do you see the coming of PROPHET JESUS AFTER Holy Prophet? According to hadith the coming "Jesus" (metaphorically) had to be a NABIULLAH (Prophet of Allah). Similarly according to ahadith of Holy Prophet, Imam Mahdi and "Jesus" had to be titles of same one person. These are Holy Prophet's words, no "twisting"!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
part-1
" Let me now take your understanding of Khilafat ala minhajun Nabuwwah forward and see what are you looking for. "
Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam has already made things very clear.He has used Khilaafah 'alaa Minhaajin Nubuwwah twice,the two intermediate Kingdoms(Mulks) are also used for Rulers and Kings while His statement that Mahdi will govern the people by my Sunnah don't leave the room for Nubuwwah of other prophets.
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient You have not answered my question brother. What is your understanding of Imam Mahdi, his rule, the time of his rule, what happens afterwards, what about Khilafat ala minjajin Nabuwwah? What is the purpose of religion and how is it established in the hearts of people and how people follow it willingly and whole heartedly? The issue of Prophethood within Islam will be discussed later.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
I would like to send you the Arabic links.How is it possible?
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient I already told you that I very well know the translation of the hadith, I just don't consider your understanding of it as correct. Let me now take your understanding of Khilafat ala minhajun Nabuwwah forward and see what are you looking for. What is your understanding of religion and purpose of it? How do you think religion can be established and followed wholeheartedly by the followers? How many years Imam Mahdi according to will "rule" and what will happen afterwards?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
Translation part-2
"Then there will be Mulkan 'Aazzan, and it will be whatever Allah wishes it to be, then He will lift it up if He wished to lift it up. Then there will be Mulkan Jabriyyatan(oppressive rule), and it will be whatever Allah wishes it to be, then He will lift it up if He wished to lift it up. Then there will be a Khilafah on the Minhaaj of Nubuwwah. Then he was silent.”
Neorient 1 year ago
Translation part-1 "Nubuwwah will be amongst you whatever Allah wishes it to be, then He will LIFT IT(NUBUWWAH) up if He wished to lift it up. Then there will be a Khilafah on the Minhaaj of Nubuwwah, and it will be whatever Allah wishes it to be, then He will lift it up if Allah wished to lift it up. ( I had missed this in Arabic part-2 ثُمَّ تَكُونُ مُلْكًا عَاضًّا فَيَكُونُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا)
Neorient 1 year ago
part-2 ثُمَّ تَكُونُ مُلْكًا جَبْرِيَّةً فَتَكُونُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ تَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ثُمَّ تَكُونُ خِلَافَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ثُمَّ سَكَت
I will translate it InshaaAllaah.
Neorient 1 year ago
part-1
This is the complete Hadeeth narrated by Imaam Ahmad rahimahu(A)llaah in Musnad-ul-Koofiyyeen from Nu'maan ibn Basheer radiyAllaahu 'anhu who narrates from Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan radiyAllaahu 'anhu.تَكُونُ النُّبُوَّةُ فِيكُمْ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ تَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ثُمَّ تَكُونُ خِلَافَةٌ عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ فَتَكُونُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ تَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient I know the translation of the hadith. You don't have translate it if you want. Islam doesn't encourage force in order to establish itself on earth. No religion came for that purpose as a matter of fact. God sends prophets to bring people back to God and His ways, not by force but with love. Relationship of man can't be established with God by force. Quite the contrary infact. When the perfect religion has come through Islam, its teachings have to be established in the world with love!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
...Having worldly rule as a necessity to establish truth has never been the only way. This is evident from the history of religion. Truth can only be established in a society that accepts it whole heartedly. Islam's purpose is certainly not a political one. It is a gross misunderstanding. It is far above than what people associate it with. The purpose of Khilafat in this age is also a spiritual one. The purpose is to keep Muslims united + on the path of true teachings of Islam!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
part 2
How many times you heard this complete Hadeeth of Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam narrated by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman radiyAllaahu 'anhu in Arabic? How many Ghulam Ahmadis have read in Arabic all the Ahaadeeth at least those narrated by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman radiyAllaahu 'anhu in Musnad Ahmad?
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient The name of Imam Mahdi (as) is not Ghulam AHMADI rather Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam AHMAD. Ahmadi Muslims always put Quran as the first source of guidance and read the ahadith in the light of Quranic teachings. Which particular hadith are you talking about, and what is your inference from it?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
The Hadeeth you are quoting in narrated by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan radiyAllaahu 'anhu recorded in Musnad Ahmad in Musnad-ul-Ansaar(Arabic Link)
as well as in Mishkaat-ul-Masaabeeh.In Musnad Ahmad Khilafat of Abubakr radiyAllaahu 'anhu and the next ones is called Khilafat ala minhajin nubuwwah.(Arabic Link) I couldn't post Arabic links.
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient I never denied the Khilafat of first four Khulafa of Holy Prophet as "Khilafat ala Minjhajin Nabuwwah". Those khulafa were given the worldly authority as well just like many prophets. The revival of true Islamic Khilafat with the coming of Imam Mahdi however doesn't have the worldly power so far, just like many other prophets. Whenever such need would arise, Allah will bestow power to the Khalifa as well. Worldly rule/power however is not a necessity for a true Khalifa!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
part 1
"According to Holy Prophet (pbuh) this Khilafat of today had to be in the precept of Prophethood (Khilafat Ala Minjajan Nabuwwah)."Nubuwwah here refers to Nubuwwah of Muhammad sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam.He(Mahdi) will govern the people by the SUNNAH of their Prophet sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam (Imaam Abudawood rahimahu(A)llaah in Kitaab-ul-Mahdi)
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient Well it never says in the hadith that the khilafat in the latter days be in the precept of Holy Prophet's prophethood alone. Also this khilafat is not just that of Imam Mahdi's but those Khalifas who had to follow him one after the other. Khilafat of Holy Prophet is not just confined to one land or country, rather to the whole world. So he doesn't need to have any worldly authority as such confined to a piece of land. Imam Mahdi has brought the Islam of Muhammad (pbuh) back to earth!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
part 2
In Aayah12 of Soorah al-Ahzaab, Allaah says: And behold! The Hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease (even) say: "(Allah) and His Messenger promised us nothing but delusion!"
In Aayah 65 of Soorah an-Nisaa, Allaah says:But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient That is the rule of the heart. One only accepts the decisions of a prophet when the true prophet resides and rules the heart of a person. Hypocrites are hypocrites because their hearts are ruled by evil and not the truth!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
part 1
Assalaamu 'alaa manittaba'al Hudaa(Salaam on whom who follows Guidance)
Khilafah of Mahdi means He would be a Ruler if we really believe in Allaah's Rasool sall Allaahu 'alaihi wasallam.
Imaam Abu Dawood rahimahu(A)llaah records,AbuSa'id al-Khudri radiyAllaahu 'anhu said:The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He(Mahdi) will rule for seven years.
Neorient 1 year ago
@Neorient Rule does not have to be of territories alone, the rule over the hearts of people is the biggest one. According to Holy Prophet (pbuh) this Khilafat of today had to be in the precept of Prophethood (Khilafat Ala Minjajan Nabuwwah). Just like a prophet doesn't have to rule a country, a true Khalifa doesn't have to. Ahmadiyya Khilafah is the true Khilafat of Islam today, no matter how much you try to reject it. Number of years the Mahdi had to live according to hadiths is a disputed one!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
i have to ask this thing. Can anyone tell me if mirza ghulam is the ultimate messiah for you people or he is the messiah of this age?
I would really appreciate if someone can reply me ASAP.
samrazulfiqar 1 year ago
@samrazulfiqar His name is Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and not just Mirza ghulam. Anyway, we believe him to be the same Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah who was prophecied about by our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) more than 1400 years ago. What would happen in distant future is something that only Allah knows. Our view however is that he is the same Messiah of the latter days who was awaited by all major religions of the world. His Khilafat is here that to us is permanent too.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
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surah: al ahzab verse: 40
wake up ahmadies......if u believe in quran...it says the prophet muhammad S.A.W is the LAST prophet......ahmad ghadian is not prophet...is not mesiah (mahdi) is not jesus......u r those people when quran says : they see the truth they see the evidense but they never believe in right thing
emad1993 1 year ago
@atensari Once again you resort to slander and abuse. For that reason you are banned.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
/watch?v=slQbl2a18LY
listen the complete talk. Qadiyanis are only presenting their favored part.
Independent state is the key requirement for Khalafat.
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari According to hadith, the revival of Khilafat in this age had to be in the precept of PROPHETHOOD (Khilafat Ala Minjaje Nabuwwah). If you can prove to me that every prophet must rule independent state, then I will agree to your point that Khilfat must have political rule as well!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya: Mirza claims he came with the Stamp of Prophet Muhammad SAW, his followers should follow Standards Muhammad SAW
When in comes to your interest you are talking about other prophets, other hand you criticize Muslims over punishment of Apostasy, that it was shariat of Musa AS /watch?v=DuRNk9eBNa0
Muhammad SAW established the state & rule of Allah. Qadiyani neither have state nor have the ability to establish the rule of Shariat. Just a so-called Khalifa & his virtual Khalifat
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari We follow the standards (Quran, hadith and sunnah) of Holy Prophet and that is the reason we don't believe that Khalifa must have a worldly state to rule also. According to the words of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the revival of Khilafat had to be in the precept of prophethood not particularly the prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammad. Had Holy Prophet said something else, we would have believed that. Just like a prophet doesn't need to have worldy rule, Khalifa is same!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya:Madina was an Islamic State, Muhammad SAW was the sole supreme personality and Quran-o-Sunnah the supreme Law. Khalafat mean establishing Divine Law over all other Laws instead living under Human made un-Islamic laws
No standard exist that say’s Khalafat will be a Family Business/Dictatorship. As Hindus & Sikhs learnt the word “Shaheed” to title their heroes, similarly Jamat-a-Kazabia has learnt the word “Khalafat & Khalifa” from Muslims, both has nothing to do with Islam.
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari Last warning to you. Stop using disrespectful language here on my channel, otherwise any such not only would be removed but you will be banned from my channel to ever post again. Now coming back to the topic. Who has disputed that Holy Prophet's prophethood had worldly power with it too? Holy Prophet prophecied about "Khilafat on the precept of prophethood" and not the prophethood particularly of Holy Prophet. Who blieves in Khilafat being family business? Make yourself clear!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya: In your Jamat it is family Business, son after son, brother after brother.
Is there any reference that after Mahdi and Maseeh there will be their Khulafa.Will the Khulafa will live under Evil System of Democracy and Secularism.
Muslims do not have any dispute that Khalafa will have Power too, even Ghamid Sahib emphasis that Khalafat is associated with State not with ASYLUM. Your officials tried to give their meanings to Ghamdi's words & hide the other two questions
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari Another hypocritical statement. All the four Khulafa after Holy Prophet (pbuh), ie. Abu Bakr, Umer, Usman, and Ali (Raziallahu anhuma) were related to him in one way or the other. Does that mean it was family business of Holy Prophet too God forbid? We don't need to hide anything, actually we are more than happy to answer any questions that are asked with honest intentions. What is it that is still bothering you. By the way, first Khalifa of Promised Messiah had no relation with him!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya: They are not sons of one father not even brothers may be far cousions.
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra) was Holy Prophet's cousin as well as father in law. Hadhrat Umer's (ra) daughter was married to Holy Prophet, Two of the daughters of Holy Prophet (pbuh) got married to Hadhrat Usman (ra), and Hadhrat Ali (ra) was the nephew of Holy Prophet as well his son in law. These are quite strong relationships with Holy Prophet. Hypocritical minded people just like the ones who accuse Ahmadiyya Khilafat being "family business" should first "accuse" earlier Khilafat Nzbilla!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya:
What about other Question the real bone of contention, which resulted in declaring Quadiyani the KAFFIRS, is there any posting to defend those claims.
once again here is the original post, oppose or defend other questions of the Qadiyani caller as well.
all Muslims please listen the full length video /watch?v=slQbl2a18LY
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari What was the question of the "Ahmadi" that you need the answer. Ask me here, I will respond you here. By the way, how do you know that the question was asked by an "Ahmadi Muslim"? Why can't it be a Mullah posing as an Ahmadi? Regardless, whats the question thats bothering you so much?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya: If an Mullah posing as a Kazzab, why the elder Kazzab not denied the reference quoted by that Mullah.
Why the Kazzab ears able to listen one questions & its answer not the other ones.
/watch?v=slQbl2a18LY
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari Ask your question that is "bothering" you. I will answer you here. Stop beating about the bush. Next time be civilised when you talk with me. Slander and abuse would not be tolerated here in my channel.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya: Why the officials of the Jamat can not reply the other two Questions, like they commented on the first one. Why they are afraid of discussing their own believes. You ppl always propagate against Muslims to calling you Kafir, what you believe about us?
First look in your collar, then give lessons to others. Observe the sweet language, deceiving edited videos posted by your group.
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari Ok now you are asking the question. What do we consider non-Ahmadi Muslims to be? Before I reply to you, I ask you two simple question. What is the verdict of Quran on a person who rejects a true prophet of Allah? Also what is your belief about those people who will reject the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah according to your own understanding? These are very simple straight forward questions, I expect a straight forward honest answer. I wll explain our position further once you answer
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya;
Rejecting a true Prophet, Mahdi & Maseeh = Kuffar
other hand Accepting a Flase claim of Prophet is Kuffar too
What ever your answer will be I don't care, I want a statement from your officials. Is there any post on youtube?
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari Do I need to say anything more? Regardless of what you consider Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) to be, we consider him to be the true Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah. What should be our view in relation to those who reject him and consider him as a false claimant? One rule for us, and the other for yourself? Why this hypocrisy? Now what is your and your Mullahs justification for calling us Kafirs and making sure that the constitution does the same?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya: You can not say anything, you only show one sided picture to the world. We are called Kafirs, but you do not tell what you think about Muslims. Have some courage if you have real faith that you belong to Naji group. Ask the officials answer the remain 2 questions as well
atensari 1 year ago
@atensari You asked me a question, I gave you the answer. How is that called "one sided picture"? We neither have any desire, nor do we shout in the streets to impose our way of thinking on others and declaring others as Kafirs. Having a belief is one thing, but imposing your belief on others forcefully is something totally different. Now, yes we say it emphatically that we are the 73rd Jamaat Holy Prophet prophecied about. What are the remaining 2 questions?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
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So called iblees ghulam-qadiani say :
"Islam in not complete without faith in Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, just as Hajj is not complete without attending congregation at Qadian. It is because Hajj to Mekkah these days does not serve its purpose." (Paygham-e-Sulh, 19 April 1933)
amarsingh635 1 year ago
khilafat = islami hakoomat ka sarbarah, ye iqtadar ka moamla hai, tabhi Allah ne kaha tha ke mayn insan ko peda karun ga jo mera khalifa hai zameen mayn. yani un ko zameen mayn iqtadar/hakoomat/khilafat mile gi.
ABlazingStar 1 year ago
@ABlazingStar Listen to the whole explanation given by the Ahmadiyya scholar on the issue with reference to the verse under discussion, and then come back to me. The verse of Surah Noor and then the hadith of Holy Prophet (Khilafat ala Minhaje Nabuwwah; Khilafat on the precept of PROPHETHOOD) makes it clear without a shadow of doubt that it is not mere worldly power that is being talked about here. It is a much higher and sacred institution than you think. Ponder hard with pure heart.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya Minhaja un Nabuwah means, the way Nabi has been ruling Arab. Prophet was also leader, please see detailed info on the site
w w w . ahmadiyat . imraan . com
plz remove sapces
ABlazingStar 1 year ago
@ABlazingStar Walaikumus Salam brother. Minhajun Nabuwwah means "on the precepts of PROPHETHOOD". There have been many prophets in the past who didn't have worldly governments and titles. Just like a prophet may or may not be ruler in worldly terms, a Khalifa may or may not be a worldly ruler. One thing though is forsure that a prophet as well as a true Khalifa is chosen by God to keep people in the path of God.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago 2
english subtitle please
sadjid19 1 year ago
The Non-Muslim Ahmadis are simply jelaous because after over hundred years of trying to establish khilafat they failed so now they say there is no such thing as khilafat. we can tell that they are now tired of all this and given up all hopes.
Exposingantiahmadiya 1 year ago
hamara khilafat pe iman he jo milat ki tanzim ki jan he
ahmadiyyet is true islam
samii123x 1 year ago
is ayat me Khaleefa is meaning me use nahi kiya gaya..Molana sahab ne lafz khaleefa ko kisi aur sense me lia hy, haan Deen ko samajhne k liye Alim ya wali Allah aur aam insaano ko follow kiya ja sakta hy.
shahidali106 1 year ago
great answer
1106bilal 1 year ago
Khalifas are subordinate to the prophets to whom they represent. There were prophets who had authority and there were prophets who had no authority. So what is right for a prophet would definitely be fine for a khalifa. As for our Holy Prophet sallalaho alehe wa sallam, his life comprised of two parts; one the Meccan one when he had no authority and the other the Medinite one when he had authority. Authority or no authority has no effect upon God gifted status.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
The Promise of Khalipha (God’s representative) is in the Land. And is not FOR ONLY ONE PERSON.
Please read Surah Noor Ayah 54, which says
“Allah has promised to THOSE of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly MAKE THEM..”
So the promise here is FOR EVERYONE TO BECOME A KHALIFA IN LAND.
It seems so unfair that some of us DO GOOD DEEDS & MIRZA FAMILY KEEP BECOMING KHULFAS!
Miyyan1 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 Yes "Make them" is in plural. It does not necessarily mean that all the khalifas will come at one time. They were to come after the other. So that makes it plural. Allah says in Quran that he would send prophets towards people of the world. That did not mean that all 120,000 prophets came at one time. They came one after the other. So the word used was "rusul" i.e., prophets in plural.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
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@Miyyan1 Yes in the term "Make them", the word "them" is in plural. But it is childish to say that it means that all the khalifas will come at one time. They were to come one after the other. So that makes it plural. Allah says in Quran that he would send prophets towards people of the world. That did not mean that all 120,000 prophets came at one time. They came one after the other. So the word used was "rusul" i.e., prophets in plural.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
why Hassan (RA) didnt just said that Muawiah (RA) have the goverment and he remain Khalifah if it was spiritual thing
but that didnt happened
so as I said ur Mirza is not a khalifah just a leader of ur organization
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad As I have said earlier that Khalifa can have political authority too, but it is not must. The earlier Khilafat in Islam did have political power as well. By the way rightly guided Khilafat is considered to be from Abu Bakr (ra) to Ali (ra). The Khilafats that followed after Hadhrat Ali (ra) are not considered to be on the precept of prophethood. Just like a prophet remains prophet until his demise, Khalifa remains Khalifa till his demise. Good Luck with your version of Khilafat though!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya: This is a valid view. There were scores of khalifas in the muslim world with authority. There were Ummayad, the Ummavis, Usmania etc. etc. But khilafat e raashida, the blessed khilafat was confined to the first four rightly guided caliphs. So mere authority is not enough.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
A so called Khalifah living under the rule of QUEEN :)
thing is Khalifah is head of the Islamic state and mirza masroor is not
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Your understanding of true Islamic Khilafat is so material and limited in nature. Islam is a universal religion and doesn't confine to the boundaries of a state or a country. People from all backgrounds, races and nations become part of this faith. The true Khilafat hence in this religion has to be universal too and not just confined to one state or country. Khalifa is a spiritual head of all the Muslims of the world. He doesn't have to have any material power as such.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
As I explained you that Khalifah has to have the political power a khalifah himself living under some one else rule makes no sense.
Hazrat Iama Hussain (RA) went to get the political power coz if it was spirtual he could have get it Madinah as well.
All u can call mirza masroor is leader of ahmadies but not KHALIFAH
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Jesus was a true prophet of Allah and the Messiah for the Jews. The Jews also expected a Messiah who would have political power and government. In reality, God sent a completely opposite Messiah. A Messiah who was under the rule of the Roman Empire. Instead of fighting them, he instructed his followers to discard all such notions of revenge. A Khalifa can have political power, but it is not must. The real purpose of Khalifa is to keep the Muslims united under one righteous leadership.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
Jesus was not Prophet not Khalifah
and Khalifah of ummah according to Islamic concept is a leader with political pwoers where he can implements his orders, give rulings etc.
khalifah is not like some sufi leader
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Did you just say that Jesus was NOT a prophet? Amazing statement that is. Quran quotes the saying of Jesus in the following words: "He (Jesus) said, ‘I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book, and made me a PROPHET" (19:30/31) It is amazing how the opponents of Ahmadiyya Community try to justify their oppositions. Holy Prophet declared this Khilafat on the precept of PROPHETHOOD. A prophet doesn't have to hold a political power, hence Khalifa also doesn't have to have that.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
I meant jesus was prophet not Khalifah.
coz Khalifah has the political power when Yazid claimed to be kahlifah Imam Hussain(RA) could have just sit in medinah if it was just spiritual thing.
your khalifah is more like pope rather than Khalifah who cant implement his decisions even coz he himself is living under rule of QUEEN
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad You are repeating yourself. Khalifa can have political power but it is not must. Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself declared this Khilafat as "Khilafat Ala Minjahe Nabuwwah" (Khilafat on the precept of PROPHETHOOD). A prophethood doesn't have to have political power with it. Similarly, Khilafat on the precept of Prophethood doesn't have to have political reign.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) was also the leader of the state but Prophet (PUBH) was Prophet.
let me if Khalifah is living under some one else rule how he will implement his decision, remember Khalifah is not QAZI as well
so I think ur not even clear about the belief
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Holy Prophet (pbuh) was given the political power as well, but many prophets didn't get any political power. I have already given the example of Jesus (as). The Khilafat that was prophecied by Holy Prophet in his ummah had to be in the precept of Prophethood, so just like a prophet doesn't have to have political authority, Khalifa also doesn't have to have that. How did the previous prophets implement their decisions when they were under the political rule of others?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
i have also explained that Jesus was not Khalifah
it says on the line or prophethood means they will follow the Islam like that
not that Khalifah's were receiving revelations etc
you didnt answer if it was just spirtual why Imam Hussain went to Kufah?
how Khalifah will implement his decision if he himself is living under the rule of someother lady?
so wat ahmadiyya have is just leadership not KHILAFAT
Mirza Masroor himself is living under the rule of QUEEN
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Khilafat Ala Minjhajun Nabuwwah means Khilafat on the precept/pattern/template of Prophethood. So just as a prophet of God doesn't need to have a government, similarly a Khalifat doesn't have to have a government. Why Imam Hussain (ra) went to Kufa had its own reasons. These were still very early days of Islam. Headquaters of "Khilafat" had already moved there. Hassan (ra) had given his Khilafat to Muawiah on the condition that Hussain (ra0 would succeed him so on and so forth.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
But it is not khilafat of prophets its Khilafat ot Ummah where Khlifah rule over whole ummah lead them make decision for them, implement decision for them
so without political power how can khalifah do all this best he can do is not let them have office seat so he is not more like that CEO or some organization
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Every true prophet comes in the world to show his community the true ways to God and the ways to implement them. How did the prophets implement their decisions when they came under the political rule of non-believers? When Holy Prophet declared this Khilafat on the precept of prophethood then how can you say that Khilafat must have political power with it when many prophets didn't have any political power at all?
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
they are just acting as prophet
as I explained Khalifah is the head of muslim state not just some Qazi or Imam with spiritual power
and after Prophet (PUBH) no new Prophet can come
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad "Acting" as prophets? Why don't you just hire professional actors to do the job then? Afterall, there are so many actors available in the "Muslim" ummah today. Why can't they just ask somebody to become "Khalifa" and act as prophet. "Muslims" also have political authorities in so many countries, I am sure they can make their Khilafat. Why then they can't do it today. Maybe its because the real Khilafat is already there that you just want to deny for the sake of it!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
they cant do it coz leaders are corrupt but how that means that Khalifah is some sort or peer living under rule of other women with no authority
Mirza Masroor is right now nothing more than a kind of peer that we find all over subcontinent
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Well then when your "leaders" get honest then discuss this thing with us. So rather than getting jealous by the contineous progress of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community under the rightly guided Khilafat, get your own house in order. You havn't yet answered, if Khilafat has to be on the precept of Prophethood, then how is it that Khilafat must have political power even though there have been many prophets without any political power? You also didn't respond to ur "acting" as a prophet comment!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
As I said before it was not necessary of every prophet to be leader of nation so please dont assume stuff
and as explained that KHALIFAH is the leader who has to implement decision not just some imam to lead the prayers and give speeches from paper
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad What is the purpose of a true prophet? Why did all the prophets come in the world? Didn't they come to guide people towards God and to implement His ways in the world? If they did, then how did they all implement this without having any political power? According to the words of Holy Prophet, the Khilafat had to be in the precept of prophethood. Hence political power is not necessary. Jamaat Ahmadiyya worldwide is led by the Khalifa under which a whole system of Jamaat works.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@xiaahmad: Quran says that prophets of Allah too were khalifas.Most prophets did not carry political leadership.Examples are those of Hazrat Eisa and Hazrat Yousuf. Among over one hundred thousan prophets, these two are among about 26 prophets that have been referred to in the Holy Quran. Both these prophets did not hold political kingship. So a caliph according to Quran may not necessarily hold kingship or political top leadership.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
@muslimahmadi
I think u dont like to read what other person is writing.
term Khalifah of Islamic Ummah is related to political power. coz without it khalifah cannot function.
did Imam Hassan or Hussain just claimed spirtual Khlifaht
if it was just spirtual why he left it for Muawiya(RA)? didnt he knew that?
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad: What you allege me to be doing, you are yourself indulging in. I said there have in the past been prophets who did not hold temporal authority like Jesus. You give one example of Hazrat Imam Hussain allehisaslam but you forget that not all caliphates following the earlier prophets had temporal authortiy. I have given specific example of Hazrat Eisa whose caliphate in the form of Pope exists till today. Pope may be a changed form of caliphate but it does provide a living example.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
@muslimahmadi
where the prophets of past where Khalifah of muslim ummah no
yes thats what I am saying ur leader is like pope not like Khalifah of Muslims.
infact even pope is not living under rule of some other lady., so u agree that mirza masroor is more like the way we have imams and NOT Khalifah using title for himself does not make some one khalifah
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad I certainly do not agree with your assersions at all. It doesn't matter if the political power of the country is run by a man or a woman. That is irrelevant. The Khilafat promised in Quran and hadith is the spiritual leadership from God in order to keep the Momineen united, to shield spiritually (not politically read the verse) the momineen against the evils of the world with Allah's succor, to convert their state of fear into peace, on the precept of prophethood.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
IA as explained to u its not about women or man its about khalifah himself living under rule of other and have not power of apply his decision.
Spirtual leader is just sort of imam and nothing more than that.
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad And I have already explained to you that the Khilafat promised in the ummah of Holy Prophet had to be in the precept of prophethood. So just like a prophet didn't necessarily have the worldly authority, the Khalifas don't have to have political power. So those prophets who came without any political authority, were they just "sort of Imam and nothing more than that"? As I said earlier, rather than burning yourself in the fire of jealosy, you should try to put your house in order first
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya
It read the hadith carefully it mean same way Islamic rules will be followed not that Khalifah will start receiving revelations.
tell me how many rightly guided khalifahs were there four or five? FOUR its should have been five if Prophet (PUBH) was counted as Khalifah as well.
Why Hazrat Ali (RA) didnt just ask Muawiya to rule in syria and he just have spirtual khilafat in medinah? same case with Imam Hussan and Imam hussain
proofs infront of u so think please
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Rightly guided Khilafat is called rightly guided because it is from God. If God doesn't guide the Khalifa, how can this be rightly guided? To you, Khalifa won't receive any revealtions from God? How would he get the guidance then? To you not even the Khalifa of the Muslim ummah can receive revelations from God, to me even an ordinary momin receives the honour of the communion with God. To me the God still speaks to His chosen one, to you He doesn't. How unfortunate!
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya: Your comments that Allah speaks today as He spoke earlier are apt. None of Allah's attributes are idle or dead. Allah is Living, so are His attributes. Every muslim believes about the advent of Imam Mahdi. Who will tell Imam Mahdi that he is Imam Mahdi? Of course, Allah. So every true muslim believes that the door of revelations is not story of the past. Allah's attributes are ever living.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
@muslimahmadi
prophet (PUBH) himself said what is left is Mubashrat thats it
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad: Khilafate Rashida was established after Holy Prophet as per promise made by Allah in Surah Noor(Verse 55) that He would make khalifas among believers as He made khalifas in the past. That is one form of khilafat where spiritual and temporal leaderships were combined. Another form of khilafat as it appeared in the past was where temporal khilafat was not combined with spiritual one. It is in that context that khilafat in Ahmadiyyat resembles khilafat of similar type of the past.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
@xiaahmad: The successors to prophets according to Quran (Sura Noor) are called khalifas.There was caliphate after Jesus. Present Pope is the degenerated form of the system that has survived 2000 years.Bible has been changed over the centuries, so have the system and teachings of Christianity. As for your comments regarding some foreign rule are concerned, very many prophets have appeared under "foreign" or even hostile governments. What is right for a prophet would also be right for a caliph.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
@muslimahmadi
so now pope is khalifah :D
Jesus followers were Hararies not Khalifah
plus what we are talking about what Khalifah of Islamic ummah means that Khalifah who is leader of nation of muslims where Khalifah can implement his rules and orders not that he himself is being ordered by others
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad:In Surah Noor Allah promises khilafat on the pattern of khilafat of the past.Pope of the present age is the degenerated form of true khilafat of Jesus. Khilafate Ahmadiyya is in puritine form on the path of nubawat as prophesied by Holy Prophet. As for living under foreign rule, there is nothing wrong with that. Many prophets lived under hostile rule. Our Holy Prophet lived under hostile authority during his Meccan life. What is good for prophets would also be good for khulafa.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
@muslimahmadi
Again how u know its about Pope
stop assuming
and yes ur khilafat is just like pope infact even he is head of vatican state but ur masroor is not
as I explained to you that in Islamic ummah see from the start Khalifah is the head of Islamic state and have politcal power and is not like so Qazi or Molvi of Masjid the way ur leader is
and thats reality which u cant deny weather u like it or not
xiaahmad 1 year ago
Duniya Walo jinti chahay BAten karlo .... Phir b Ahmadiyyat Zinadah Bad
mani3342767263 1 year ago
It is because the Muslim Ummah does not believe in the promised Messiah and the Khalifa, there is no unity, no drive and no leadership... Unfortunately because of this, the obedience of the Islamic laws have wavered into self belied segments and Muslims fight among them selves....
sybertronlionhawk 1 year ago
Allah fermatay hain main Khilafat doun ga momino ko.
matlab zameen ki hakoomat doun ga momino ko.
saifkhantube 1 year ago
WOW! The scholar says that it is ayat 56, whereas it is ayat # 55 that the scholar so lovingly quotes. And his translation of the phrase 'ahtakhlafinna-hum' as 'will be given khilafat' is simply not true. Please check what the word means - it means that God will 'accede to power'. That can be translated as 'political power' but can not be translated as 'political khilafat'. Please friends, ALWAYS check wht 'scholars' say. And God knows Best, of course.
momekh 1 year ago
@momekh First of all, Ahmadi Muslims consider "Bismillah" before every surah as its first verse because to us there is not even a single dot in Quran that is additional, so how can Bismillah be? This is the reason why the verse that you see as 55 is actually 56 to us. Secondly, the Arabic word under discussion has come from the same root as Khilafah. "Khalafa". To you Khilafat might not mean anything, but to us all the problems of non-Ahmadi Muslims today are because of no Khilafat-e-Rashida.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
Jazakallah.
ahmadi1987 1 year ago
Y in the world would u have a video with an English title yet all of the words r not in English?? Now is that intelligent?? Uh hellllloooo??
TribeofShabazz 1 year ago
@TribeofShabazz Brother, I did mention the language of the video in its description. I am sorry if it caused some inconvenience to you. I prefer title of the videos in English regardless of the language of the video. Wassalam
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya Its alright. Since u responded so politely, I actually feel bad & think I may have been a bit 2 harsh in my response 2 u. If so, I apologize beloved. As-Salaam-Alaikum.
TribeofShabazz 1 year ago
@TribeofShabazz Don't worry brother. No hard feelings. Wassalam.
IslamAhmadiya 1 year ago
@IslamAhmadiya Gracias senor from your Latino brother in Islam. :o)
As-Salaam-Alaikum
TribeofShabazz 1 year ago
Wah... kia baat hai. Islam hai tu abb bus yahi hai yahi hai aur bass yahi hai...Islam Ahmadiyyat.
itsjawad23 1 year ago 6
Do you all believe in the truthfulness of this response? I don't think so. What have those quoted verses to do with the khalifat of a sectarian jamaat?
saifulilm 1 year ago
Holy Prophet had prophesied that his ummat will be divided into 73 sects of whom only one sect would be on right path. He said that this would be a jamaat that would follow him and his companions. Jamaat is an organization that is headed by one blessed leader who is loved by members of the organization. The leader loves his jama'at. The leader guides his followers to do good and to shun evil. Jamaat Ahmadiyya is headed by a blessed khalifa. This jamaat fulfills all these conditions.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
You are so much against mullahs but you are arguing with a Mullah-interpretation of this noble hadith. Once again, ask yourself, do you really believe, everybody outside jamaat-e-ahmadiya is going to hell? I hope you don't. In that case, leave that "saved sect" kind of mullah crap.
saifulilm 1 year ago
Saifulilm: This noble hadith is from Tirmazi. You are right that it would not be interpreted to say that all those belonging to 72 sects will go to hell. It is Allahs domain of course to decide who is to go to hell and who wont. A blessed leader guides one to right path and advises one to shun evil. One's life in this world too may be as if one is living in hell. It is so when one is leaderless and is like sheep outside a herd or when is not sure about one's future.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
Saifulilm: Another noble hadith says that one who does not know Imam of his time will die as if he was "jahil".
May Allah save muslims from bad name and disgrace they are facing today. May they accept Imam of the time.
This will give them purpose in life, hope, guidance and real happiness.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
With words like blessed leadership and leaderlessness you are still driving towards the same interpretation. Don't you think it's a VERY weak argument, if you use your takfeer by other muslim sects as an argument of your truth? As a joke it makes sense, when you show the news "All 72 sects agree upon takfeer of Ahmadiya" and then conclude ha ha ha we are the saved sect. In a serious debate, it has no weightage.
saifulilm 1 year ago
This is a simple logic.There is an organised group that is headed by a leader who loves its members and its members have full faith in him and love him from their hearts. He advises them of good and stops them from sins.The members of this group try to obey their leader. There is another group that has no single leader. Everyone with some knowledge thinks he is the leader. There is no organisation. Which of the two groups has unity and has synergy.
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
saifulim. This is a simple easy logic. There is one group which has one single leader whom they all obey and love from their hearts.The leader prays for them day and night. Naturally this group has unity and organisation. There is another group or groups who have no one leader. Everyone of them who has studied upto Primary class or he has spent some years in a madrissah thinks that he is the leader. Which of the two groups will have synergy. Ask a school boy and you would get the right answer!
muslimahmadi 1 year ago
Allah promises Muslim believers who perform noble acts that He would grant them with khilafat as He did among earlier people. Through khilafat He would bestow a state of peace and comfort for believers after their state of fear. Similarly Holy Prophet prophesied establishment of khilafat on the path of nubawat towards the last days. Ghamdi sahib has therefore erred in saying that there is no concept of khilafat in Islam.
muslimahmadi 2 years ago
Ahmadi muslims show true character of disciples of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa salalalho alehewa sallam as given in Surah Fatah,(48:29) as under:
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those who are with him are hard against the disbelievers, tender among themselves."
So there is brotherhood and true love among Ahmadi muslims. They are not divided like others. They spread true teachings of Islam all over world under banner of Khilafat.Alhamdolillah. Unity of ummah requires one leadership.
muslimahmadi 2 years ago
People of all races, colours and nationalities are coming together under the umbrella of khilafat Ahmadiyya Haqqa Islamia Raashida. One has only to attend an Ahmadiyya Jalsa salana to witness how muslims from all over the world are becoming ummate waahida.
muslimahmadi 2 years ago