BlizzCon 2011 - World Of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria - Class Talent System Panel (Full)

[piessesmith2]

6:11 Did i just see titans grip available at level 38?!?!?!?!?1?!

Fuck me warriors are going to be op at MoP.....

[jpoulte]

I love the new talent trees. They coulda went 1 better than a Panda,, Bit childish, but could be fun

[AncientVoids]

i really really want player owned housing with portals to all major city,s and you can invite your friends

[jpoulte]

@AncientVoids Go watch the Pokemon, We dont want a childs game....

[AncientVoids]

@jpoulte go fuck you self its just a suggestion

[AncientVoids]

@jpoulte go fck you self its just a suggestion

[mchsrm12180]

this is going to make pvp so much fun. yes.

[L1stenerz]

GOVNO RASPALO , DA BOG DA TI DECA IGRALA FAIL SETUPOVE

[Frikuwins]

MAJMUNCINO CELAVA,MAJKU TI MRTVU JEBEM NAUCI DA NAPRAVIS PVP BALANS,GLAVATARE RUZNI

[RajaTheFish]

Finally a player can actually be unique. now they just have to rid of tiers and make it all about picking and choosing the gear you want for your own spec choices, so every class isn't going for the exact same thing.

[TOBxCO]

will they take org out of construction and also stormwind as well?

[WJS6495]

SWTOR is better.

[MMOTotal]

@WJS6495

Oh really, the way I seen it was that Patch 1.1 set off the sub loss and it continues to happen.

SWTOR's talent system was a copy/paste of the wow talent system until Pandaria kicks in.

SWTOR = Warcraft, in a star wars setting with cut scenes. That is all !

[moparisthebest11]

@WJS6495 get out.

[MusicWeltenSchmerz]

booooooooooring, but better then 99% of the other games out

[avgn1000]

> looks at all the repsones and long comments

>LIkes and dosent comment

[takatoekoe]

OMFG fucking sweet! :DDD

I can't wait! i love the new talent system^^

[itstheCJDJ]

7:44 red shirt guy

[MultiJWProductions]

what lvl was titans grip at?

[SerbianDrugLord]

@qwert747 This is the dumbest comment I have seen in a while.

[alexpirpiris]

I liked it at WotLK.

[32698clay]

@Matooreeei are you kidding????? Rexxar would be dead without pandaren!!! a panderan brewmaster known as Chen helped Rexxar in warcraft 3 i forget...they were in warcraft lore since warcraft3 derp

[qwert747]

WoW s completely destroyed. they should have stop making these after WotLK came out.

[Matooreeei]

y u all mad at me?!

[Matooreeei]

Pandas are where people draw the line because they have no propper place in the lore...

[SnappiestExpertNiko]

@Matooreeei Pandarians were in the lore in warcraft 3.

[TarnDarkBlade72]

@Matooreeei They do.

[Yojiibochan]

@Matooreeei I laugh at you.

[grodo12]

Is there still titans grip?

[SnappiestExpertNiko]

@grodo12 yes you can get it at level 38. in MoP

[IRuTReX]

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW CAN I CHANGE MY TALENT

[12eyseandahalf]

They should of made all talents passive but still get spec specific spells from a trainer at a certain level (even though you don't get spells from trainers anymore...)

[HellzNord]

Oh great... ANOTHER change of the talent system. It was fine back in BC and WOLK, but then they just had to go and screw it up for Cata. It still sucks for cata but at least I am getting used to it, now they are going to go and change it again... FAIL FAIL FAIL

[Athinira]

@HellzNord You're clueless. The talent systems in vanilla, TBC and Cata did not work out AT ALL. Cookie cutter specs, no customization, hybrid classes being pidgeonholed (pre-wrath) and above all else it was DIFFICULT for the developers to tune the talent trees for PvE/PvP.

Cata was a huge step in the right direction, and this system is much closer to perfection. If you consider the previous systems "fine" then I'm happy you aren't a game developer.

[HellzNord]

@Athinira Whatever at least back then you could put talent points in any spec that you wanted to diversify, even if it failed. Now they just force you to practically fill up one whole spec before you can put 2-3 measly pnts in another sepc. Fuck that. You talk about "no customization" well now it's like you might as well just click a spec and not even have to put pnts in it. God for fucking bid I could put 10 pnts in one, and 25 in another and etc. nope its like max out one spec and deal with it

[123damed]

@Athinira don't put TBC in the same league as cata...TBC was the best up until now TBC>Vanilla>cata>woltk>panda talents.

[Athinira]

@123damed As the "Overall most epic expansion", i agree. It was the time of WoW i definitely enjoyed the most. That doesn't mean that some systems back then wasn't broken and needed fixing.

WoW has come VERY far since Cata. Only problem is that now that we had it for so many years, i smell stagnation.....

[123damed]

@Athinira this system has nothing more than the cataclysm system, at level 10 you still have to choose your spec and guess what ? people will still choose the best spec aka the "cookie cutter" talents , + a set of spells , this talent system will be the same thing as cata even worse because some classes will get ...while others will get buffed , warriors with titan gripp and bladestorm, wtf is that ? something like this is only dreamed by noobs

i want a balanced pvp system not....

[Athinira]

@123damed Except that there is no "best spec" anymore, so your argument is useless. Looking at all the different talents, even if there is a few exceptions, most talents aren't cookie cutter (meaning that there are several viable choices depending on playstyle). There is only VERY few cases where the choice is clear and cut. Try again.

[123damed]

@Athinira lol your whole comment just tries to prove me wrong blindly, since there are 3 specs and you have to choose 1 at level 10 its obvious that people will still choose the most OP one which is "VERY CLEAR AND CUT" , there are no several playstyle =)) lol if you have 2 types of abilities from where you choose you choose the best one + you can't even call the new system a talent tree, and like i said the this system is viable to who dreamed of having to op spells on the same spec

[Athinira]

@123damed I'm talking about the talents, not the specs.

Specs are always going to vary, and if you compare specs directly, there is usually always one that is going to come out on top of another (like Fury beating arms etc.).

I'm talking about the talents, however, because these have finally gotten (mostly) balanced. While there is a FEW talents that are clearly OP/UP in the different classes, most talents are 100% optinal and can be selected purely based on playstyle.

[123damed]

@Athinira i really hope that i'm wrong , but in any case i will probably stop playing wow with pandaria, and not because of panda, because the new class and the new system, i don't want to restart the woltk era again where one class >all

[123damed]

@Athinira i'm talking about the whole thing because talents is what defines the spec, they simply took out good talents from 1 spec and placed them in the list, and some talents are still cookie cutter

the idea that started this changes was that the 3 specs where not balanced, and in the new system they broke 1 just to boost the other 2 or other similar stuff

[123damed]

@Athinira from 3 talent lists(because those are not talent trees anymore :))) i already see the "clear and cut" talents + i already see that the next expansion will have an off balance pvp just like i saw before woltk started, and just like i saw before cataclysm started ,

because i played this game for a long time i know that the new talent will be a nightmare for old players(+ the new monk will make things even worse)...sorry for my bad english

[Athinira]

@123damed Sorry, i meant very far since "TBC" of course :-)

[NLDWoW]

all of you are nerds with no lives

[MRglodlampa]

@NLDWoW actually you're the nerd and the person with no life because, all day long you post stuff like that

[shaggmanalicous]

@NLDWoW and the fact that your name has wow in it so

FAIL FAIL FAIL

[Dannnneh]

@NLDWoW so you're saying you're a nerd with no life, cuz you also watched this.

[EcheCommers]

19:57 you hear everyone cheering for the hunter then someone says boo!! t hen you hear someone say shutup!! hahahaha

[zergling1987]

For everyone doggin on the panda for it not belonging in the game, it is apperant that you have never played warcraft. The panda's go back further then you do and have an important roll in the storyline. And i personally been waiting for this toon sence the launch of WoW.

[jake4den]

r u having DK start a lvl1?

[lamees122]

every1 feedback and say 'nO' new talent system SUCKS

[lamees122]

new talent systen SUCKS! the system was really great in wotlk we could mix specs!

[shreeyadz870]

@lamees122 i agree lol

[jkw906koz]

i can see 2 warriors in a arena.. going to work.. 8 sec stun match over.. 2 shockwaves or a shock way and avatar or shackwave and bladestorm over wow

[NBertuzzi]

seems cool but i dont want to be getting my ass beat by a panda.

[humanator1000]

Well they have ruined the game with this and retarded pandas.

[druvirus]

@humanator1000 In a game with walking cows, goblins with rockets, and Harrison Jones ... pandas are where people draw the line? Let me hold in my laughter.

[BangBangKillMusic]

@druvirus Don't listen to the vocal minority, a game has to change over time or it will become shit

[humanator1000]

@druvirus In a game that is meant to have an 'epic and cool' character build, you should be drawing the line at pandas because it is completely the opposite to the games themes.

[druvirus]

@humanator1000 Yeah, but Pandaren are pretty epic and cool. Moreso than walking cows. I'd rather be a big, alcoholic panda who kicks ass any day rather than some earth hugging cow.

[humanator1000]

@druvirus Pandas are not cool, they are even dying because they cannot be bothered to have sex. If that isn't sad then I do not understand the social world any more.

[humanator1000]

@druvirus Plus think about how gay they will look in armor

[Terra1311]

@druvirus someone who was arguing against panda's for ages with another person being an asshole tbh he went "LOL OK DONT U GET IT ITS PANDA's WHATS NEXT A QUEST ABOUT THE WIZARD OF OZ?"

I politely linked him the video to kara opra hall =D

[eight216]

@druvirus not to mention the alien squidpeople

[ITSTHATGUY1001]

@humanator1000 so you dont like having custimization beond cookie cutter builds?

[shreeyadz870]

@humanator1000 i bet the pandas have a higher I.Q. than you bro, seriuolsy

[humanator1000]

@shreeyadz870 I am currently studying in Maths, Physics, Computer science and Graphics at A level. Whereas you cannot even spell seriously. Although, I guess that does explain why you disagree with freedom of speech.

[shreeyadz870]

@humanator1000 Ok, you might be smarter than me, but how are pandas retarded? You could of just said "I dont like pandas" I hate people who hate on stuff like this, JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT god.

[humanator1000]

@shreeyadz870 I also hate people who hate random things however in a game of 'legendary warriors and fighters' it seems childish to add in pandas. It does not fit in with the game and it was implying that the idea was retarded not the pandas.

[shreeyadz870]

@humanator1000 you know what, lets just forget we ever met. I dont want to start some war. Agree?

[MTK37]

@humanator1000 WoW is so boring with all the cookie-cutter talent builds and the linear playstyle. They implemented this to create more choice and playstyle opportunities.

[humanator1000]

@MTK37 If it's so boring why did you fucking play it. This is going to bring in the worst over powered classes the game has seen so far. If you want to play with the fucking pandas go to a fucking zoo but I am fine with the currently better talent system. A few noobs that feel this will make them better will soon find out they are just worse than before. Also I'm guessing you live in Islam because last time I checked I was entitled to free speech.

[MTK37]

@humanator1000 I never said your opinion was incorrect. I play it currently because I expect that Blizzard will clean up their act and come out with something fresh, which is what they're doing. He said the numbers and the order arn't set in stone. It does look like some classes will be a bit OP over some other classes currently but I presume that will be fixed in most scenarios. I don't think a panda theme will ruin the game, better than some cliche leader that's going to 'TAKE OVER THE WORLD!'

[Samuraileviathan]

did anyone else notice SIX improved demons for locks? if you're a lock you know that means NEW DEMON!!!!!!!!!!!! :D we currently have imp, void, suck, hunter, and guard, that's only five!!!!! which means we get a NEW DEMON!!!!!!!! (super excited XD)

[MTK37]

@Samuraileviathan Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are currently six demons. You missed the infernal.

[Samuraileviathan]

@MTK37 your logic is actually in turn flawed, I was listing the current PERMANENT demons, not guardian demons,, and I noted that they forgot to list the improved version of the felguard in the list, therefore we are not getting a new demon our guardians are simply getting improved aswell. so you my friend are also incorrect, although I was incorrect due to misinformation, you are incorrect due to a lack of knowledge, there are currently seven demons, not six.

[Sharbecca23]

I can already here the qq of druids in pvp.

[IdrissTheViewer]

i was mad @ blizz for the talent changes, but after seeing this (i am a warrior) i actually got exited ^^

[davetheepoch]

why do dev's hate paladins so much?

[Mechanicapig]

I really wana see some monk talents

also seeing the specs would be cool

[IRONxEWOK]

@Mechanicapig Brewmaster is the Tank. Mistweaver is the Healer. I forgot the name of the DPS but it uses melee.

[pandanicks]

@IRONxEWOK wind walker is dps i believe

[RAICANINE]

I might get some hate for this, i am not a causal player, but WotLK was my favorite xpac so far, i liked them all but it stood out. after watching the entire blizzcon MoP coverage, the direction they want to go with this is going to easily make it my new favorite if it follows up on all this stuff!

[Mechanicapig]

@RAICANINE i totaly agree man im so stoked for this delicious looking expac

[MultiJWProductions]

@RAICANINE i liked BC, but that was me. MoP will be odd because of the "child's race" as the casuals say, but it will probably be fun

[Blinddragon9]

@RAICANINE I agree on that. I did also really enjoy WotLK, I didn't care about easy raids or easy gear. There was a really (And I mean really) good atmosphere in wotlk, which kept me playing. Now is that atmosphere gone, and don't I enjoy the game as much as I did back then.

[thundercat4607]

at 20:00

boo!

Shut!

lol

[killertho]

well, on the other hand if you as pala tank get a holy power everytime you get hit you will never have to worry about aggro again. but if you do that you will miss another usefull spell... THE OBTIONS ARE KILLING ME!!!!

[BOOFhed123]

Arcane Flows + Double Polymorph = Drive by morphing xD

[MultiGrimmm]

Now pvpv is going to be heal FUN>. its gonna be hard to kill any type of class

[doctorisjoe]

they make hunter underrated

and degraded them

[doctorisjoe]

they make hunter underrated

[LampPlaceThing]

19:55 "It's the hunter"

Someone in the crowd goes "BOOO..." Shortly after another person in the crowed says "SHUT UP!"

LOL (ended at 20:02)

[CrazyPenguin181]

They could make this game free to play, just by the box in this expansion.

[geojagaming]

Im so excited about this im returning to the game after a good few months away and this is gonna raise the skill cap of the game i believe, Also its going to help all warriors fighting mages. Good luck

[shadowchinchi]

They ruined impending victory, still free after a devastate on a target with under 50% hp

[CrazyPenguin181]

World of Warcraft - Ruined since 2010

[MrStreetfarm]

I'm a cheap jerkoff, so I didn't pay for the virtual ticket. I would like to thank you, SoMuchMass, for putting this up illegally (at least I think it's illegal), so that I don't have to use my precious money, yet still be able enjoy this panel! Thank you. :)

[OtherworldJudge89]

Is that Ghostcrawler talking?

[clavarnway]

@OtherworldJudge89 The 2nd person, yes.

[apach47]

So about the shaman's last talent which can restore the cd on the totem if it is destroyed. Does this mean unstoppable grounding totem chain?

[VladTh3Imm0rtal]

my shammy climaxed....

[joehighlord]

in classic! we had 51! in the burning borecrusade we had 61. in wrath of the best expansion ever we had 71! in the cataclysm that wasnt as good as it could have been but was still better than the burning boarcrusade we had 51 and now in mists of pandaria! we will have 6

[Soneoak]

@joehighlord in truth, when i think about it, most of the 'talent' points in the previous expansions were pure garbage.

You played a shadow priest in vanilla for Silence, Flay, Shadow form, NOTHING ELSE.

In BC, you got Vamp touch, which is crap if you think about it, just another dot with a cast time.

In WOTLK, you get dispersion...

Basically, you as good as got 5 fixed talents in WOTLK and only in shadow. And if you skip them, you fail.

Now, holy and disc get a chance to choose.

[Johnx014]

So each class only has that single tree?

[MADMILLION2]

I for one accept deahtknights are our overlords...again.

[Soneoak]

@MADMILLION2 You should check out the druid and shammy changes then.

[Blitzker911]

@horuslv8 FUCK U SHAD DANCE IS AMAZING

[comerbp82]

no rogue will have shadowstep if you pair it with Prep

[Soneoak]

@comerbp82 thats cos you're thinking of PVP. Nobody will take prep if they are going to raid.

[comerbp82]

@Soneoak that whole tier is decidedly PvP in nature

[comerbp82]

looks like shit; less is not more. Dumbing down characters to justify a talent system is not good design

[Soneoak]

@comerbp82 You are stupid, they just gave you EVERYTHING in your spec, and instead FIXED the talents as it was always MEANT to be (but had been failing prior). Talents were supposed to be a choice. Now, instead of going into arena and KNOWING your opponents have only a bunch of fixed skills they would have gone, ie. there would be only 2 types of holy paladin or whatever, you now have an INSANE number of possibilities.

This is not dumbing down, this is increasing creativity.

[comerbp82]

@Soneoak wut? The paladin that you are talking about will have less skills to work with. They are decreasing the potential skill usage for any individual character. You need to learn basic math

[WIndslayer65]

Thanks for the Uploaded

[UponLionProductions]

@dontnowhattobecalled Yeah but what about all the players that don't like PvP. At all... Do we just go back to Firelands or Dragon Soul?

[humanhunter2000]

Holy Crap warrior whit 2 2handers BLADESTORM!

[Soneoak]

@humanhunter2000 Only main hand hits i believe? Like how whirlwind works?

[UponLionProductions]

So what they have just said, basically every class is now only fit to PvP? Unless they change end game mobs/bosses to be able to get CC'd or stunned, or feared....

[dontnowhattobecalled]

@UponLionProductions The whole expansion and end game content is PvP..

[Soneoak]

@UponLionProductions Or you can actually watch from the start of the video and realise that every class do NOT need their talents to work. You can infact go in with 0 frigin talents into a raid and still do well if you know what you're doing. They mentioned not removing any abilities, just moving them to your spec (spec specific spells and auto learning without trainers), so you no longer have to 'talent' into them.

ANd the stuff now works like glyph, no need to respec talents, only specs.

[Evision5]

Sweet they brought back Corpse explosion!! Those warlock end talents also look f****ing SICK!!

[horuslv8]

omg, maybe i can get shadowstep and not shadow dance if we choose the a cd, im going with killing spree. i hate shadow dance

[zzaccc15]

Hey guys, if you wanna skip to your class of interest: Death Knight: 10:27 Druid: 14:26 Hunter: 19:57 Mage: 23:31 Paladin: 27:48 Priest: 31:50 Rogue: 35:55 Shaman: 39:40 Warlock: 43:23 Warrior: 47:40 Thumb this up so others can see it and help them out :)

[Johnx014]

@zzaccc15

You are so kind XD

[mgp994]

@zzaccc15 please make my babies

[Straddllw]

I'm sad that they didnt show the druid emblem art :(

[fenixfilip]

I love how everytime they make paladins work , they fuck them up for half a expansion

[zcoop823]

YES WARLOCK POWER GO GO GO, FINALLY WE GET THAT DEMONIC SEPERATION! I am really pumped and excited for this talent system, transmorf. is just the beginning, and I am glad that they add a bit of RP / Power like system , that the warlock has control of this tight-ass shizz nit. Also, I am happy for DKs and Lovin Mages/pallys I am not disappoint for once bliz, ty.

[killerstick1]

OMFG DK IS GNA BE SOOOO FUCKING FUN TO PLAY im glad that its my main and druids are gna be awesome too luckily i have an 85 druid too

[BabyOverlordSaurfang]

yo man thank you so much for uploading this continue uploading please you rock :3

[baker98745]

Woah woah! Huge nerf to pvp locks? Howl and deathcoil were known by all locks. Now, we gotta choose between dc, howl AND shadowfury???? sooo, now we have fear, pet, and ONE of those???? I bet that will be changed b 4 launch.

[zcoop823]

@baker98745 Also, it's not as much a nerf, they are giving them CRAZY survivability, and some cool demon like powers, which they should have stuck with. Like, mega HP regen PLUS destruction for demo and form? HELL YES?

[HilarityBribo]

I really preferred the Vanilla model. They're streamlining the talents turning the game into an fps.

[inutero96]

@HilarityBribo ya you sure understand what an fps is....

[zcoop823]

@HilarityBribo Well, if you perferred having this spec or GTFOing, then sure. I personally respect your opinion but this is no vanilla and a vanilla talent spec would not work in the game now. And at least it's better than the god AWFUL WoTLK / Cata Spec tree.

[YuriPRIME]

@HilarityBribo Yeah... look for snipers...

lol

fail at fps knowledge

[ktsmiles1929]

Wow seriously people? Stop looking at 1 talent that one class gets and saying it sucks. Yes, a combination of things for one class may make that class OP in certain situations, but you will likely have just as many talents to cancel it out.

[stevenschnare]

i think the new talent system is awesome you can have a bunch of spells you could never have before with a bunch of specs

[Roulden]

@DarkstepGaming Ya but it still feels very limited. I have less freedom to choose what I want. Giving up many options to few options with lots of things with it is more constricting. I can see them doing this for balance reasons but I still think a large pool of choices that are well designed is better than just a couple.

[Charcharblaze]

@Roulden it kinda sucks that its 15 levels but I still think it's sort of cool. putting in a talent point every 2-3 levels was kind of a chore, now it's awesome to pick which one you want. They should make it every 5 levels or something, though.

[LordsSky]

Thank you for up loading this.

[Roulden]

wow, shaman is a must for all pvp. Immune raid members to movement imparing or interupts/silence?

[Roulden]

We get talents every 15 levels now? yaaaaa....this game has gone to shit

[Soleman1989]

Warlocks - dots + lots of hp + hp regen cds = op, reinventing dot and run mechanics.... gg blizz

[Roulden]

or is each section showed for each spec like the druid bit is for feral?

[C00lits1]

55 minute explanation for something they could have explained fully in 5 minutes tops as they have just nubified the class system for dummies.

[Roulden]

so it seems balanced I guess but heavily reduced the amount of talents that can be picked, am i understanding this right?

[blah979]

Thanks for uploading this, your the best.

[Queltomen]

interesting



[mistervanderveer]

Wow this hasnt been removed yet?

This is from the paid virtual ticket stuff right?

Thanks alot for posting :D

[nellewestenberger]

wow this is OP



[music631]

Thanks for posting this. :)