Im sorry..but these riders are not amateurs...the amateurs wear "plain clothes". When the riders wear 17th century nobleman clothes they are professionals.
Im Portuguese and im sick and tired about the lack of respect for my country and traditions. If someone does not like, just dont look! Bianca is right in Denmark and all other countries animal are mistreated every day. A bull is born free, for 1 about 3-4 years they live free, only max 20% arew suite for bullfight.Respect please.
we are just disgussing if bullfight is ok. I think we should not judge when we in our country have agriculture animals and ridning horses who suffers much more. We have fixated pigs and cows that never see daylight. and horses that might not be abused physical but psykological. we are no better. and this is no worse for the horse than racing or jumping.
det er da ikke hjernen der holder dig til jorden. Måske lider vore dyr i landbruget mere og længere her hjemme, men er det det der danner grundlaget for at anden dyrplageri i udlandet er ok? Og så er det ikk kun tyren der lider- stakkels hest siger jeg bare! Flåen i kæften. sporen konstant og masser stress... og så skriver du om dyr, deres velfærd og ridning i DK? nej hjernen tynger dig sgu ikke.
Det var dog en utroligt afstumpet kommentar. Jeg bifalder ikke denne sport men jeg kaster heller ikke med sten når jeg selv bor i et glashus. istedet laver jeg hvert år arbejde for eks dyrenes beskyttelse og andre organisationer - jeg GØR noget istedetfor at brokke mig over andre. Synes du hesten ser stresset ud? Jeg synes den står pænt og roligt når den ikke lige er på. løse tøjler . Er ikke signalforvirret som mange danske heste.
afstumpet? hvorfor? nej egentlig ikke- kaster du ikke med sten når du bor i glashus? Næh men hvorfra ved du at JEG gør det? Gør du noget? Jamen tillykke- det VED du måske at jeg ikke gør? JA hesten ser dælme stresset ud!! Og den sporres konstant og heftigt. Er ikk signalforvirret- som om det er det eneste der tæller. Jøsses.
Jeg vil nødigt være din hest med det temperament du har dig - den man er til hverdag er man også på sin hest. jeg kan se du er til western - hvad mener du så om disse sliding stops der giver benskader, kæmpe hjulsporer, rodeo med infangning af små kalve så de kvæles eller brækker ryggen. Western ridning står for rigtigt mange skader på heste og dyr. Måske du skulle lægge din energi i det så? bare tjek videoerne herinde. De er ækle.
jamen jeg er imod bullriding mv. Hjulspore skader mindre end pigsporrer, og skal ikke bruges på samme måde. At nogle misbruger skal ik gå ud over alle. temperament- ja men heldigvis så er jeg god ved mine dyr, og yder ik vold mod dem. sliding stops giver benskader- nej ikk mere end dressur giver nakke og ryg skader- tvært imod endda. Vedr kalve der brækker ryggen mv- jamen nu er den slags slet ikk tilladt i DK- for her hjemme må man ikke rope. hvor min energi liiger vedkommer kun mig.
De har det vist bedre end de fleste. Heldigvis er mig temperament rettet mod mennesker der fortjener det. Nøjagtig ligesom jeg har sat mig meget ind i div ridedicipliner hvilket man kan se ud fra det du skriver at du ikke har når du kan udtale dig som du gør om western. Du har vist ikk engang en ide om hvor mange andre grene der er end hvor man laver slide el bruger køer mv. som sagt er roping ik tilladt i DK pga dyrevelfærden i det. men kad os udelukkende fokuserer på disse to ting
danish ladies and gentlemen ! being a site with a portuguese matter dont y think it's somewhatt rude to wright in a language that few people spoke here ? english is ok, or spanish or french ! tks yr good attention
Nej. Men har et mere nuanceret syn på emnet. Fægtningen så j. som et led i min udd. ang Lusitano hesten da den jo bla. bruges der.Historie undervisning. Desuden fejer j. for egen dør før j. dømmer andre - vi har langt værre dyrplageri i danmark. bla vores landbrugsdyr. jeg spiser øko af samme gund-gør du ?Disse tyre har levet et langt ,frit, naturligt, økologisk liv før de dræbes. Det er mere end vores slagtedyr. Vores dyr lider mere og længere i transporterne og på slagterierne.
jeg synes det viser hestens evner som krigshest og kamphest er bevaret til idag.
Tyren dræbes ikke i Portugal. Mange danske rideheste lider mere end denne tyr pga dårlig pasning og ridning. Bare se opna tv´s indslag om pony ridning. Tænk også på galopheste der rides som 2 års og brækker deres ben. tænk på de bank springheste får og hvordan hingste i herning behandles. det bør vi også gøre noget ved. og det er i vores land.
This is all so twisted. Those who appear to care for the pretty horses condoning it. It's people forcing animals against each other for sport. Nothing elegant about cattle being stabbed to death and nothing sweet about terrified horses being gutted alive by an equally scared and defensive animal, both used for our entertainment. The meat provided is an afterthought . Many people manage to kill an animal without such spectacle so the usual excuse used is simply waffle. .
Terrified horses beeing gutted live?????? What kind of redneck are YOU????Sometimes in Spain it happens..but is also a completely different bullfight. In Portugal the bulls hornss are covered with leather.It hurts but does not gut you.
Well, it does appear, "redneck" as I am, that I am more informed than you on the practise. In a very few areas the horns are sheathed in leather but this is more for the humans safety than the horses. Horses are sometimes eviscerated and you cannot get away from the fact the bull is tortured for fun and profit. I suggest you do a little more unpredjudiced research before shouting down people just because you support it.
People brought up witnessing that type of abuse often become the same.
I apologise for the "redneck" it was out of place...and i do not want to offend redneks.
And no you are not more informed, Im Portuguese and since I was a kid I have been an "aficionado" for Portuguese Bullfights. I know some of the people, I know how the horses and bulls are raised, treated, etc. I know the History and the RULES.
So I know what im talking about..do You?. The leather caps on the horns are exclusevely to protect the horse...dont ever tell me that i do not know
My you are doing your argument justice with that attitude!
As I have said, it is obvious you were brought up in this environment. People are brought up so desensitised to the suffering of other animals. With or without the leather caps (incidentally only introduced within the last decade or so to appease those who found this game so revolting, so what happened before then?), horses can be and are wounded. So why no vet with a gun to end suffering? Not tradition?
@feathers666 It is clear that you have never been to a bullfight because of the way you judge and demean others who try to defend their culture. If you were to go, you would see the passion, the fear, and the respect given to this tradition. And fyi, there is a vet on call that travels with the horses and if need be, will tranquilize the bulls to work with them if anything goes wrong. Also, out of the hundreds of bullfights I've been to, I have NEVER seen a horse gutted.
@MissCheshireCat19 Pray tell why should I pay my hard-earned money to personally witness the profit-raking game that is staged? It was tradition to send two old horses (yes, the clowns of the show and gutted alive to boot) to be bull-fodder in the 1700's. Indeed it was tradition to hang people etc. Tradition is an excuse invented by people with no proper argument why this is acceptable. And as for culture, this evolved and naturally evolves constantly as people change, understand and move on.
@MissCheshireCat19 Oh and by the way it's not too difficult to find footage of horses with their intestines hanging out on youtube, several very recent and there is no vet running to put them out of their agony. They are forced/pulled out of the ring if not dying in there already. Funny that the thought of a horse being put down in front of a baying crowd of people who revel in the pain of the bull and don't give a damn about anything but their own pleasure be so disturbing. Ironic really.
@feathers666 None of those videos are from portuguese bullfights, but moreso rodeos or those done in mexico. precautions are taken with our traditions. And you make your sentences so convoluted that I don't even know what exactly you're trying to say other than enforce negativity on the subject. Also, we dont kill the bull so I'm not sure exactly why you're saying we "revel" in the pain of the bull. Grow up, be a man, and grow some balls, and stop trying to intimidate everyone with your idiocy
"Grow up, be a man, and grow some balls, and stop trying to intimidate everyone with your idiocy " Most. Hlarious. Comment. Yet. Okay I'll be a 'man' when the cowards perched ontop horses start. I never, never have found any of you supporters explaining exactly why you like this cowardly spectacle without citing the usual rubbish that has already been been spouted to your brainwashed heads. Horse gets nothing, bull gets nothing, humans make money, nothing beautiful about that. Think eh!
@feathers666 Oh, and as for you thinking you know all about it, in Portugal yes horses are badly injured too and the bulls are regularly killed outside after the fight. If you didn't spend so much time judging everthing so glossy from the stands and actually see the real side you would already know that, wouldn't you?
@feathers666 It's because we love to see the bond between man and animal. Both horse and man are dependent upon one another when facing the bull. The horses are more often than not, Lusitanos, bred for their fancy footwork for working with bulls. The horses know what their doing, any fearful horses are taken out so as to not cause any risks in the situation. Most of the horses love it and don't need commands to do their tricks. The horses enjoy/know what they're doing
@feathers666 in addition, if you haven't noticed, the bulls are also bred for this and often times when they do get someone pinned against a wall I'm pretty sure theyre having fun with that. in addition to that, we dont make the bull do anything it doesnt want to do. Also, I find it hilarious how more often than not I will prove a point, you'll make fun of something i said, and then try to argue with me about a different point of bullfights... which is why im calling you immature
@MissCheshireCat19 Maturity? You are the one swooning and romanticising killing a bull slowly and painfully alluding to the human concepts of what YOU think the other animals feel and want (and yes, we are all animals, some more so than others). The bull doesn't understand your ideals of what you perceive as glorious death, this is manufactured exploitation. No better than a slaughterhouse but the killing simply much longer. Yes, the horse may like running but it is simply a tool for use.
@MissCheshireCat19 I was brought up to know right from wrong, to respect others who deserve it and, above all, think for myself. No amount of you repeatedly wittering what you obviously have heard from others is going to make me think any different. The sooner this primitive dressed-up butchery is condemned the better. And now you may finish with your predictable tirade of frustrated insults, it always seems to happen with your lot when you can't bully someone into bowing. Just like the bull.
@feathers666 I'm not trying to "convert" you, I'm just sick and tired of people who have never worked with animals before complaining about their treatment. Unless you come from a dairy, beef, farming background then guess what, no one wants to hear your little shit tirade about how everyone should believe the same thing you do. And many people are taught "rights/wrongs" but that doesnt mean everyone is gonna think the same way; just look at religion! take ur peta crap and shove it
I'm anti-PETA and anti bullshit too. Both as cruel and manipulative as are your rantings of pro-bullkill. You fail to realise you are opposite sides of the same coin. I'm still waiting for a valid answer why you support it so. I have spent my entire life between town and country and will happily stick by my own judgements of I perceive is humane and that which there is no justification for. As predicted the frustrated/judgemental attitude from you. Amusing if it not for the subject in question.
@feathers666 I never said I was "pro-bullkill". The portuguese do not kill their bulls at the end of the tourada, if you had actually studied this you would know. The worst thing they do to the bull is stick the paus in its back, but only in some instances, in many others they put a velcro patch on the bulls back. I am probullfighting, but not killing the bull, never have been. After the bulls are done in the arena, the return back to their pastures. They are not slaughtered either.
@feathers666 In addition to that, why do you watch soccer or, basketball, or football? Because it's a beautiful battle between two supreme athletes. To pin a human (with no claws, fangs, or strength) against that kind of sheer, raw power is beautiful. You have to be both smart and quick to avoid death. And the bond between rider and horse to depend on one another to try and escape from the bull is something in itself. The whole event is poetry in motion, which is why I support it so.
'Sport' indicates an equal chance of one competitor or team winning. To classify this as sport is unacceptable. Take off your rose-coloured glasses and don't insult my intelligence futher by citing this as fair. You say yourself it's pitting a bull against a human then slyly manipulate the horse into it. If humans are so brave why don't you support them facing the bulls directly first? The only reason horses are there originally was to keep the cowards fat arses safe while they take the blows.
@feathers666 ok, this is what happens in one round of a bullfight: 3 bulls, the cavaleiro comes in on the horse and they do their round with about 2 flags, then he switches horses 2 more times before leaving the arena, in which the suicide squad comes in and takes the bull on. The bull is taken out then loaded back up. Same thing happens with the 2nd bull and a different cavaleiro/horses/suicide squad. Finally last bull comes with the matador who does not kill the bull.
And the horse is still the most at risk, but the less said about that the better for the fluffy brigade who glamourise this toss. I don't need to be told the difference between 'kill' and 'non-kill in the arena' bullfights. What you omit is the animal (after several fights, after all, how long can it's mangled withers hold the darts when there is nothing left there?) is slaughtered shortly after. It's not as if there are paddocks full of them happily grazing is there? Or don't you know that?
@feathers666 You have no idea how this works, I can't believe your still trying to pin me down about this. The horses are there not to "keep the fat arses safe" but rather to demonstrate years of fancy footwork. They also represent the war horses at the time that portugal was at war, and thus represnt both an art and a history. We do not use one horse for one bull but rather 3-4 horses per bull, decreasing the chance of the animals getting hurt
I don't need to pin anyone down. I'll let the cowards astride the horses do that. I gave my opinion on this game, you came all guns blazing but have nothing but waffle to spew as typical. You have patronised me so many times and yet again do so. I don't need a history lesson, I am already educated. And no matter how much 'tradition, rights, or just because' you churn out I still think this brutality dressed up.
"You can judge a man's true character by the way he treats his fellow animals."
@feathers666 hahaha are you kidding me? All u have are opinions and "moral judgments" which dont prove anything! I've given you historical facts, rules of the game, my opinions, hard facts, and you've given me nothing other than pure rudeness/stubborn pride. don't bother replying to this bc i wont even look at it. im done wasting my time on a pathetic excuse for a human being. Espero que os touros dará a compaixão como você lhes dá, porque a humanidade certamente não com essa atitude.
VIVA A TOURADA PORTUGUESA!
forcadelta5 6 months ago
If yall dont like it, then DONT WATCH IT!
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
Such an elegant horse.
Clarinetification 1 year ago
Im sorry..but these riders are not amateurs...the amateurs wear "plain clothes". When the riders wear 17th century nobleman clothes they are professionals.
Im Portuguese and im sick and tired about the lack of respect for my country and traditions. If someone does not like, just dont look! Bianca is right in Denmark and all other countries animal are mistreated every day. A bull is born free, for 1 about 3-4 years they live free, only max 20% arew suite for bullfight.Respect please.
Igor
rogioruom 1 year ago
we are just disgussing if bullfight is ok. I think we should not judge when we in our country have agriculture animals and ridning horses who suffers much more. We have fixated pigs and cows that never see daylight. and horses that might not be abused physical but psykological. we are no better. and this is no worse for the horse than racing or jumping.
lykkebianca 2 years ago
if spanish or french is okay, then is also danish.
Qantico1984 2 years ago
det er da ikke hjernen der holder dig til jorden. Måske lider vore dyr i landbruget mere og længere her hjemme, men er det det der danner grundlaget for at anden dyrplageri i udlandet er ok? Og så er det ikk kun tyren der lider- stakkels hest siger jeg bare! Flåen i kæften. sporen konstant og masser stress... og så skriver du om dyr, deres velfærd og ridning i DK? nej hjernen tynger dig sgu ikke.
Qantico1984 2 years ago
Det var dog en utroligt afstumpet kommentar. Jeg bifalder ikke denne sport men jeg kaster heller ikke med sten når jeg selv bor i et glashus. istedet laver jeg hvert år arbejde for eks dyrenes beskyttelse og andre organisationer - jeg GØR noget istedetfor at brokke mig over andre. Synes du hesten ser stresset ud? Jeg synes den står pænt og roligt når den ikke lige er på. løse tøjler . Er ikke signalforvirret som mange danske heste.
lykkebianca 2 years ago
afstumpet? hvorfor? nej egentlig ikke- kaster du ikke med sten når du bor i glashus? Næh men hvorfra ved du at JEG gør det? Gør du noget? Jamen tillykke- det VED du måske at jeg ikke gør? JA hesten ser dælme stresset ud!! Og den sporres konstant og heftigt. Er ikk signalforvirret- som om det er det eneste der tæller. Jøsses.
Qantico1984 2 years ago
Jeg vil nødigt være din hest med det temperament du har dig - den man er til hverdag er man også på sin hest. jeg kan se du er til western - hvad mener du så om disse sliding stops der giver benskader, kæmpe hjulsporer, rodeo med infangning af små kalve så de kvæles eller brækker ryggen. Western ridning står for rigtigt mange skader på heste og dyr. Måske du skulle lægge din energi i det så? bare tjek videoerne herinde. De er ækle.
lykkebianca 2 years ago
jamen jeg er imod bullriding mv. Hjulspore skader mindre end pigsporrer, og skal ikke bruges på samme måde. At nogle misbruger skal ik gå ud over alle. temperament- ja men heldigvis så er jeg god ved mine dyr, og yder ik vold mod dem. sliding stops giver benskader- nej ikk mere end dressur giver nakke og ryg skader- tvært imod endda. Vedr kalve der brækker ryggen mv- jamen nu er den slags slet ikk tilladt i DK- for her hjemme må man ikke rope. hvor min energi liiger vedkommer kun mig.
Qantico1984 2 years ago
De har det vist bedre end de fleste. Heldigvis er mig temperament rettet mod mennesker der fortjener det. Nøjagtig ligesom jeg har sat mig meget ind i div ridedicipliner hvilket man kan se ud fra det du skriver at du ikke har når du kan udtale dig som du gør om western. Du har vist ikk engang en ide om hvor mange andre grene der er end hvor man laver slide el bruger køer mv. som sagt er roping ik tilladt i DK pga dyrevelfærden i det. men kad os udelukkende fokuserer på disse to ting
Qantico1984 2 years ago
danish ladies and gentlemen ! being a site with a portuguese matter dont y think it's somewhatt rude to wright in a language that few people spoke here ? english is ok, or spanish or french ! tks yr good attention
pegasoenasa 2 years ago
Kan du godt li dyrplageri????????????????
Qantico 2 years ago
Nej. Men har et mere nuanceret syn på emnet. Fægtningen så j. som et led i min udd. ang Lusitano hesten da den jo bla. bruges der.Historie undervisning. Desuden fejer j. for egen dør før j. dømmer andre - vi har langt værre dyrplageri i danmark. bla vores landbrugsdyr. jeg spiser øko af samme gund-gør du ?Disse tyre har levet et langt ,frit, naturligt, økologisk liv før de dræbes. Det er mere end vores slagtedyr. Vores dyr lider mere og længere i transporterne og på slagterierne.
lykkebianca 2 years ago
syntes du virklig det er noget at lægge ud STAKKELS tyr man kan sagtens spille stor når man sidder på ryggen af en hest
catsovner 2 years ago
jeg synes det viser hestens evner som krigshest og kamphest er bevaret til idag.
Tyren dræbes ikke i Portugal. Mange danske rideheste lider mere end denne tyr pga dårlig pasning og ridning. Bare se opna tv´s indslag om pony ridning. Tænk også på galopheste der rides som 2 års og brækker deres ben. tænk på de bank springheste får og hvordan hingste i herning behandles. det bør vi også gøre noget ved. og det er i vores land.
lykkebianca 2 years ago
This is all so twisted. Those who appear to care for the pretty horses condoning it. It's people forcing animals against each other for sport. Nothing elegant about cattle being stabbed to death and nothing sweet about terrified horses being gutted alive by an equally scared and defensive animal, both used for our entertainment. The meat provided is an afterthought . Many people manage to kill an animal without such spectacle so the usual excuse used is simply waffle. .
feathers666 2 years ago
@feathers666
Terrified horses beeing gutted live?????? What kind of redneck are YOU????Sometimes in Spain it happens..but is also a completely different bullfight. In Portugal the bulls hornss are covered with leather.It hurts but does not gut you.
Before people speak they must be informed.
rogioruom 1 year ago
Well, it does appear, "redneck" as I am, that I am more informed than you on the practise. In a very few areas the horns are sheathed in leather but this is more for the humans safety than the horses. Horses are sometimes eviscerated and you cannot get away from the fact the bull is tortured for fun and profit. I suggest you do a little more unpredjudiced research before shouting down people just because you support it.
People brought up witnessing that type of abuse often become the same.
feathers666 1 year ago
@feathers666
I apologise for the "redneck" it was out of place...and i do not want to offend redneks.
And no you are not more informed, Im Portuguese and since I was a kid I have been an "aficionado" for Portuguese Bullfights. I know some of the people, I know how the horses and bulls are raised, treated, etc. I know the History and the RULES.
So I know what im talking about..do You?. The leather caps on the horns are exclusevely to protect the horse...dont ever tell me that i do not know
rogioruom 1 year ago
My you are doing your argument justice with that attitude!
As I have said, it is obvious you were brought up in this environment. People are brought up so desensitised to the suffering of other animals. With or without the leather caps (incidentally only introduced within the last decade or so to appease those who found this game so revolting, so what happened before then?), horses can be and are wounded. So why no vet with a gun to end suffering? Not tradition?
Both are used and abused.
End.
feathers666 1 year ago
@feathers666 It is clear that you have never been to a bullfight because of the way you judge and demean others who try to defend their culture. If you were to go, you would see the passion, the fear, and the respect given to this tradition. And fyi, there is a vet on call that travels with the horses and if need be, will tranquilize the bulls to work with them if anything goes wrong. Also, out of the hundreds of bullfights I've been to, I have NEVER seen a horse gutted.
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
@MissCheshireCat19 Pray tell why should I pay my hard-earned money to personally witness the profit-raking game that is staged? It was tradition to send two old horses (yes, the clowns of the show and gutted alive to boot) to be bull-fodder in the 1700's. Indeed it was tradition to hang people etc. Tradition is an excuse invented by people with no proper argument why this is acceptable. And as for culture, this evolved and naturally evolves constantly as people change, understand and move on.
feathers666 7 months ago
@MissCheshireCat19 Oh and by the way it's not too difficult to find footage of horses with their intestines hanging out on youtube, several very recent and there is no vet running to put them out of their agony. They are forced/pulled out of the ring if not dying in there already. Funny that the thought of a horse being put down in front of a baying crowd of people who revel in the pain of the bull and don't give a damn about anything but their own pleasure be so disturbing. Ironic really.
feathers666 7 months ago
@feathers666 None of those videos are from portuguese bullfights, but moreso rodeos or those done in mexico. precautions are taken with our traditions. And you make your sentences so convoluted that I don't even know what exactly you're trying to say other than enforce negativity on the subject. Also, we dont kill the bull so I'm not sure exactly why you're saying we "revel" in the pain of the bull. Grow up, be a man, and grow some balls, and stop trying to intimidate everyone with your idiocy
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
"Grow up, be a man, and grow some balls, and stop trying to intimidate everyone with your idiocy " Most. Hlarious. Comment. Yet. Okay I'll be a 'man' when the cowards perched ontop horses start. I never, never have found any of you supporters explaining exactly why you like this cowardly spectacle without citing the usual rubbish that has already been been spouted to your brainwashed heads. Horse gets nothing, bull gets nothing, humans make money, nothing beautiful about that. Think eh!
feathers666 7 months ago
@feathers666 Oh, and as for you thinking you know all about it, in Portugal yes horses are badly injured too and the bulls are regularly killed outside after the fight. If you didn't spend so much time judging everthing so glossy from the stands and actually see the real side you would already know that, wouldn't you?
feathers666 7 months ago
@feathers666 It's because we love to see the bond between man and animal. Both horse and man are dependent upon one another when facing the bull. The horses are more often than not, Lusitanos, bred for their fancy footwork for working with bulls. The horses know what their doing, any fearful horses are taken out so as to not cause any risks in the situation. Most of the horses love it and don't need commands to do their tricks. The horses enjoy/know what they're doing
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
@feathers666 in addition, if you haven't noticed, the bulls are also bred for this and often times when they do get someone pinned against a wall I'm pretty sure theyre having fun with that. in addition to that, we dont make the bull do anything it doesnt want to do. Also, I find it hilarious how more often than not I will prove a point, you'll make fun of something i said, and then try to argue with me about a different point of bullfights... which is why im calling you immature
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
@MissCheshireCat19 Maturity? You are the one swooning and romanticising killing a bull slowly and painfully alluding to the human concepts of what YOU think the other animals feel and want (and yes, we are all animals, some more so than others). The bull doesn't understand your ideals of what you perceive as glorious death, this is manufactured exploitation. No better than a slaughterhouse but the killing simply much longer. Yes, the horse may like running but it is simply a tool for use.
feathers666 7 months ago
@MissCheshireCat19 I was brought up to know right from wrong, to respect others who deserve it and, above all, think for myself. No amount of you repeatedly wittering what you obviously have heard from others is going to make me think any different. The sooner this primitive dressed-up butchery is condemned the better. And now you may finish with your predictable tirade of frustrated insults, it always seems to happen with your lot when you can't bully someone into bowing. Just like the bull.
feathers666 7 months ago
@feathers666 I'm not trying to "convert" you, I'm just sick and tired of people who have never worked with animals before complaining about their treatment. Unless you come from a dairy, beef, farming background then guess what, no one wants to hear your little shit tirade about how everyone should believe the same thing you do. And many people are taught "rights/wrongs" but that doesnt mean everyone is gonna think the same way; just look at religion! take ur peta crap and shove it
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
I'm anti-PETA and anti bullshit too. Both as cruel and manipulative as are your rantings of pro-bullkill. You fail to realise you are opposite sides of the same coin. I'm still waiting for a valid answer why you support it so. I have spent my entire life between town and country and will happily stick by my own judgements of I perceive is humane and that which there is no justification for. As predicted the frustrated/judgemental attitude from you. Amusing if it not for the subject in question.
feathers666 7 months ago
@feathers666 I never said I was "pro-bullkill". The portuguese do not kill their bulls at the end of the tourada, if you had actually studied this you would know. The worst thing they do to the bull is stick the paus in its back, but only in some instances, in many others they put a velcro patch on the bulls back. I am probullfighting, but not killing the bull, never have been. After the bulls are done in the arena, the return back to their pastures. They are not slaughtered either.
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
@feathers666 In addition to that, why do you watch soccer or, basketball, or football? Because it's a beautiful battle between two supreme athletes. To pin a human (with no claws, fangs, or strength) against that kind of sheer, raw power is beautiful. You have to be both smart and quick to avoid death. And the bond between rider and horse to depend on one another to try and escape from the bull is something in itself. The whole event is poetry in motion, which is why I support it so.
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
'Sport' indicates an equal chance of one competitor or team winning. To classify this as sport is unacceptable. Take off your rose-coloured glasses and don't insult my intelligence futher by citing this as fair. You say yourself it's pitting a bull against a human then slyly manipulate the horse into it. If humans are so brave why don't you support them facing the bulls directly first? The only reason horses are there originally was to keep the cowards fat arses safe while they take the blows.
feathers666 7 months ago
@feathers666 ok, this is what happens in one round of a bullfight: 3 bulls, the cavaleiro comes in on the horse and they do their round with about 2 flags, then he switches horses 2 more times before leaving the arena, in which the suicide squad comes in and takes the bull on. The bull is taken out then loaded back up. Same thing happens with the 2nd bull and a different cavaleiro/horses/suicide squad. Finally last bull comes with the matador who does not kill the bull.
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
And the horse is still the most at risk, but the less said about that the better for the fluffy brigade who glamourise this toss. I don't need to be told the difference between 'kill' and 'non-kill in the arena' bullfights. What you omit is the animal (after several fights, after all, how long can it's mangled withers hold the darts when there is nothing left there?) is slaughtered shortly after. It's not as if there are paddocks full of them happily grazing is there? Or don't you know that?
feathers666 7 months ago
@feathers666 You have no idea how this works, I can't believe your still trying to pin me down about this. The horses are there not to "keep the fat arses safe" but rather to demonstrate years of fancy footwork. They also represent the war horses at the time that portugal was at war, and thus represnt both an art and a history. We do not use one horse for one bull but rather 3-4 horses per bull, decreasing the chance of the animals getting hurt
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
I don't need to pin anyone down. I'll let the cowards astride the horses do that. I gave my opinion on this game, you came all guns blazing but have nothing but waffle to spew as typical. You have patronised me so many times and yet again do so. I don't need a history lesson, I am already educated. And no matter how much 'tradition, rights, or just because' you churn out I still think this brutality dressed up.
"You can judge a man's true character by the way he treats his fellow animals."
feathers666 7 months ago
@feathers666 hahaha are you kidding me? All u have are opinions and "moral judgments" which dont prove anything! I've given you historical facts, rules of the game, my opinions, hard facts, and you've given me nothing other than pure rudeness/stubborn pride. don't bother replying to this bc i wont even look at it. im done wasting my time on a pathetic excuse for a human being. Espero que os touros dará a compaixão como você lhes dá, porque a humanidade certamente não com essa atitude.
MissCheshireCat19 7 months ago
@MissCheshireCat19 Okay then, I'll obey. Bye!
feathers666 7 months ago
rider seemed a lil amatuer and unprofessional
(when i first started watching, thought it had to be in america where they dont really care)
i personally know one who is most likely better and only 17yrs old
horse was awsome though
oishi222 3 years ago
Yes it was an amateur bullfight. This rider was an arcitect.
lykkebianca 3 years ago
wauw sow big and powerfull,ho says only quarter horse are good athlets.
jessthark 3 years ago
What a beautiful and athletic horse! :)
Baroqlvr 3 years ago