It doesn't matter whether u believe or not. U will be saved. But if u believe and follow Gods ways then u will find a closer place in heaven with God.
According to Romans 1, God has personally given you all the proof you need in order to believe in Him right in front of your face. Whether you accept the evidence God Himself has given you is your own choice.
Thomas was saved by faith. The people prior to Jesus walking the earth were saved by faith and the people today are saved by faith. God has always saved by faith. If Thomas did not place his trust in Jesus, he would not have been saved. By not believing in God, does not send you to hell. Your sins against God send you to hell. Jesus saved me from hell when I placed my trust in Him, otherwise my sins against God would send me to hell. It's faith that we are saved.
The important part of the story is that Thomas not only believed, but declared Jesus as his lord and his God. Atheists frequently demand more proof, but there's nothing to suggest that additional proof would necessarily lead to the saving love relationship that God desires. After all, even the demons believe in God. If this proof indeed wouldn't change your heart, God is under no moral obligation to provide it.
@JWHurwitz First of all, I see no evidence in the bibles that the one you simply call 'god' is capable of a loving relationship with anyone. Second if he was real I think he would have a moral obligation to give people the information to make an informed decision.
@humanistheart "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Jn 3:16, "Your love, O LORD, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies." Ps 36:5, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin." Ex 34:6-7.
@JWHurwitz I do not call drowning children loving. I do not call slaughtering children with angels, or ordering his people to slaughter men, women, pregnant women, children, cattle in mass genocides and infanticides loving. I do not call do what I say or suffer 'loving'. Love is not do whatever I say and like it. If you call that love, I say you have no idea what love is.
@humanistheart Okay, so you don't actually deny that God can love, you're just saying that you think God has committed evil acts. That isn't the topic of this video and actually requires a great deal of discussion, so if you'd like a thorough response, you can PM me with specific examples of what you see as immoral behavior on God's part.
@JWHurwitz No, I said that character is not capable of love. I'm not sure what's confusing about that. Evil acts are included as part of the explanation. And examples were already given, for example, mass genocide and infanticide.
@humanistheart Your argument is: (1) God has committed evil acts (2) A being that commits evil acts cannot love, therefore (3) God cannot love. I think (1) is false, and (2) is not logically true. I've committed terrible evil acts, can I not love?
@JWHu 1) Not exactly, evil is more of a religious term, it's more unethical. And unless you're contending that infanticide and genocide are just fine, among other things, than yes that's true, or true that that is how the biblical stories go anyway.
As for loving, again, do what I say or else is not love.
"can I not love?" Let me ask you, do you feel if anyone ever does anything you don't like you cannot associate with them? If not, than it's not an apt comparison. Also I very much doubt...
@humanistheart You're way, way off topic at this point, unsure how long I'm willing to continue to engage. Just a few points though: You haven't established that someone who commits evil is incapable of love. You actually haven't made a specific case to suggest that God has done evil, care to mention some specifics? Finally, in response to "do what I say or else is not love", what the Christian God says is better stated as "Do what I say and you will not perish due to your own folly".
@JWHurwit1) "You actually haven't made a specific case to suggest that God has done evil, care to mention some specifics?"
You don't read do you? You used the word evil, I said unethical would be better suited. You suggested the only thing I said was that one who does 'evil' cannot love, I reminded you that his 'evil' acts were only a portion of the point. I mentioned genocide and infanticide, the allowances of slavery and rape. That's specific. If you want the specific passages, ask for them.
@JWHurwitz 2) You avoided the question: ""can I not love?" Let me ask you, do you feel if anyone ever does anything you don't like you cannot associate with them? If not, than it's not an apt comparison. Also I very much doubt..." Well?
""Do what I say and you will not perish due to your own folly".No that is not a better way of saying that, as that shifts the character Yahweh' petty hangups on others.
@JWHurwitz that the 'terrible evil acts' you've committed are anywhere close to the biblical gods. How many children have you slaughtered? How many genocides have you committed? Have you condoned slavery or rape or random murder? If not, it's not anywhere close to comparable.
@humanistheart Either you are simply saying you don't believe that the Bible is accurate even in the slightest degree, which is unjustifiable from an academic viewpoint, or that God is a liar. God does give everyone ample evidence for His existence: the witness of His creation and the moral law written on our hearts. There are numerous arguments beyond that. Moreover, God does not want just your belief (even demons believe) but rather He wants your heart.
@JWHurwitz Neither, although the bibles are not accurate, that's not what I said. I said there is nothing in the biblical stories to suggest the abrahamic god was capable of a loving relationship with anyone. And no, there is ZERO evidence of any gods existence. You have to assume he exits in the first place to think of this as 'his creation'.
@humanistheart Okay, well, maybe you would be so good as to explain why you think that God can't love. Almost no one thinks that the Christian God, as described in the Bible and understood through doctrine,is incapable of love. As such, I'm unaware of what your reasons for this might be.
@JWHurwitz "Okay, well, maybe you would be so good as to explain why you think that God can't love"
As I said, 'do what I say or else' is not love, it's tyranny. Let me ask you, if I told you my mother or daughter or son did something I don't like, so I refuse to talk to them ever, would you believe me if I told you that I still loved them? I wouldn't after hearing that, so why do you believe that for your god?
I do like the insightful questions you have put up on here, you're obviously a deep thinking person, i just wish the responses were equally as insightful, not just Christian apologetics .......
He believed it when he saw it. When Jesus came to him Jesus told him to stick his fingers in the wounds. Jesus made him to do that. I think because Jesus and Thomas were close. Like you said,he was there he saw all the things Jesus did. I always took that part of the story as that Jesus was angry with Thomas for not believing after all he saw, after all they had been through, after all Jesus taught. That's why he got that proof.
Dude Satan is a great adversary his disceptive work is very powerful he deceived the third of the angels..the answer to your question is simple it just proves that evidence and proof is not enough to turn out evil rebelious hearts to God. It takes humility and the dropping of pride.
Well in that time, there was simon magus, & other kabbalistic magicians. miracles were thought of as tricks. none of the disciples understood any of it until the holy spirit came on them. So Thomas was just like anyone else. if you saw your mother die, & people said she was alive, would you believe? Of course not, & when you are mourning & in shock, you would need to touch that person to overcome the life long rational that when something dies, it dies.Thomas did not understand the resurrection.
The disciples did not choose Jesus he chose them. Just like today, christians don't chose Jesus, God thru his own purpose chose us. Not out of anything will did. So thomas showed he was fallen in that he didn't believe. God was showing that he was chosen and revealed himself to him. Just as when Peter denied him three times and all his disciples scattered for their lives. Jesus was instructed by the Father not to lose anything the Father sent him. So they were restored to grace. Simple!
the best way to know that God exist is to go to the source. go to HIm in prayer.challenge him to show himself to u but u must do so with humility and a genuine desire to know him. if u do so with the intention of proving he doesnt exist then he will never come to u and u have to be persistent and patient.
despite to popular opinion, we christians are not delusional. we are not christians based on what is written in a book. we have experienced the evidence thats what most people dont get
1) thomas was given that evidence because Jesus was still on earth in the form of a flesh. so thomas got lucky
2) the bible teaches us not to be like "doubting thomas". "greater is he that has believed and had not seen"
3)the evidence of God's existence is still here with us cos when jesus left, he sent down the Holy Spirit. if u want to believe u have to go and look for it
may it's true if God just being choosy or bias...so why the whinning...if we dont bother to believe that there something bigger like heaven or hell..if that is the main point so why is this vid made..why bother..why dont just live carefree..total carefree..
First of all you misquote the story. Thomas was not there the first time. When the disciples mentioned what happen,Thomas said unless I see thus and thus. The next time Jesus came, Jesus himself asked Thomas to reach his finger to see it was him. Why do you forget about the doubt of the other apostles beforehand? Since God is all knowing he knows what each needs to be convinced not you.
Man is not permitted to question God's sovereign acts (Rom 9:19-24) Thomas' doubt was not in God's existence, but in the resurrection, proving that Jesus is the Savior Messiah, which is to be believed (John 20:31) a mere faith in God's existence is not saving (Jas 2:19). God has always given the same degree of evidence of Himself, as Ro 1:18-20 tells us. The main point Jesus is making is "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." (Again, that is believing in Jesus as Savior)
and there is proof all around you if you really look. Miracles, nature, people doing good, honest things. This is proof that God is here and he works even today.
The evidence is quite strong via visible communion, via history and quite alone what you believe: aka Jesus and Thomas and their moments of this. It is lesser proof. It's not a weak proof. Check out the CS Lewis convert. BUT, faith is a very valuable virtue that is shown by many historians in science to fuel the expansion of it. Base on assuming, light, believing consciousness believing Energy. These things are not quite entirely known yet we believe it!
we don't question Santa because Santa brings us stuff....Jesus just passes out hope. Kinda like that guy that ows you money but would rather keep owing you than cheat you out of it.
See sam harris's "Letter to a christian nation" on youtube. Full book on audio Out standing and has a lot of the same types of questions,.
I see this differently. THOMAS was already a believer who was I think,
not questioning the deity of CHRIST, but was AS someone who thought someone they loved was burned alive, decimated, nothngleft, suddenly the person is e standing there with them, you or they would want to touch them, hold them, feel them, to confirm with joy, not imagining them.. awestruck, happy. Had to touch him. Jesus said blessed are those who do not see & believe,did not condemn
@HALLELUZZ777 God is a an alien his realname is clifford. ive met him twice we go for walks. hes quite nice but not really bothered with humans anymore as hes sick of all your BULLSHIT!!!
Thomas was allowed to see so that when people asked, even after Jesus spent 40 days going around showing himself to people proving he was alive, there would be a witness account(s) that someone did so do those things. Someone who doubted did see and touch. And if you remember, Thomas immediately regretted his doubt of his Lord. Why isn't God giving proof now? Why should he? He's already come and died. There are sixty books that account for this. If you don't know, what would prove it to you?
Thomas was allowed to see so that when people asked, even after Jesus spent 40 days going around showing himself to people proving he was alive, there would be a witness account that someone did so do those things. Someone who doubted did see and touch. And if you remember, Thomas immediately regretted his doubt of his Lord. Why isn't God giving proof now? Why should he? He's already come and died. There are sixty books that account for this. If you don't know, what would prove it to you?
Superman, this is a good question. You are getting better at asking them. Thank you for the challenge.
Catholics know him as 'Doubting Thomas'.
My opinion - God does give everyone the same evidence () but not everyone accepts the evidence where Thomas did. A desire to know the truth and a humble heart is required.
@MrChristianBeliever In the bibles this god sends signs, speaks to the people as a whole, does things like making a very misty morning but leaving specified articles of cloth completely dry. Go ahead, leave some clothes out and ask for the same miracle, ask for everything else to be drenched but your favorite shirt be left dry, see where that gets you. No one get's proof of this god, because he doesn't exist.
First of all, if you actually read John 20: 26-28, it doesn't say that Thomas actually touched Jesus's wounds, although Jesus did offer to let him. Just seeing Jesus turned out to be enough for Thomas.
As for the reasons behind why Jesus appeared to Thomas, I think my fellow Christians have already addressed the issue in the other comments. God bless you all!
veracity. The truth of the resurrection of Christ. (and the resurrection is what Thomas doubted....NOT the existence of God or the denial of the Jewish faith).
Thomas' lack of faith (and BTW, thomas wouldn't have died and gone to hell) is a testimony to all Christians as to the fact that "something happened" that changed Thomas and gave Him faith. He witnessed the resurrected Christ - and this also gives Christians information regarding His glorified body.
Perhaps it was partly so that Jesus could say to His disciples "Blessed are those who have NOT seen and yet believe?" Perhaps it was to show how incredibly unbelievable the concept of resurrection was at the time - and yet the disciples gave their lives. Perhaps it was a lack of faith in Christ on Thomas' part. Look at Saul who became Paul. He was given GRACE also.
The fact is we could point to multiple reasons as to why Thomas' doubting was included in the scripture...and they all point to
There is nothing "fair" about Grace or the mercy given to Thomas, first of all.
God is PERFECTLY fair - IF you define fair or fairness as appropriate or just (justice).
BUT if you define fairness as everyone having equal opportunity you will discover that this is impossible (because of absolute choices that affect one another) and we are not robots./puppets just staying perfectly still with the same experience (without motion or choices).
the irony is that you are using the account of Thomas doubting and assuming that it is factual (and that Jesus rose from the dead) as a basis for skeptism.
The reality is that IT ISN'T FAIR! Your question is involving equal opportunity,,,, something that doesn't exist in the universe...so it is illogical to appeal to.
Everyone is born at different points in time and under different circumstances with other people's choices affecting them. God is NOT fair when it comes to equal opportunity
You are not Jesus, and He is the only one who dedcides who goes to hell. You have no possible way of knowing where Thomas would end up. He had already been chosen by Christ. Please go take a bible study somewhere so that you can read scripture with discernment. I suggest Way of the Master.
This requires the belief that God not only exists, but is fair and consistent. Maybe our standards of justice are as ridiculous to God as the rule about wearing clothes with two different kinds of fabric is to most of us.
you make far to many assumptions in this question, we don't know that Thomas would have been an atheist today, we don't know that he would not have taken the word of the rest of the disciples eventually, we know that he asked for the proof that he asked for, and received it. I have all the proof I need to believe that Jesus is who He says He is, and I don't require anything beyond what God has provided me in His creation and in His word.
Your tough question here is really a flimsy one at best.
Because Thomas WAS a believer in Jesus, he was given GRACE when he, doubted. Just as all believers receive grace when we stumble. This is an example that Jesus was not God-in totality- yet He was God in the flesh, ie how could God die, and how, if dead,.could he raise His Son? God judges according to our hearts, he has shown proof to many- I am one of them. But why should He prove Himself to those who hate Him?
oh man the videos are good but reading these comments and watching apologetics scramble and try to come up with , in what their minds are, coherent answers is soooooooooo good. thank you sir
Easy question. What did Jesus say to Thomas after he proved it too him. " Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. ". THe blessing is not on them that have seen but them that believed. Remember that it is Jesus who revealed himself to Thomas. He is the author and finisher of our faith. Thomas did not become saved because he saw and felt Jesus then believed. Jesus saved Thomas. Next!
i fear you dont understand that god doesnt have to. he doesnt want to either. the only reason he showed thomas was because thomas was going to be a big help for christianity. christians live by faith, not by sight
dont u think that showing himself to the world wouldnt be good for Christianity?
instead he chooses to torture billions of people for flaws he(god) himself did.
if god wanted us to follow him and worship, he wouldnt have given us so big brains and made us intelligent. our skepticism is the result of his flawed creation. he gave us too much intelligence, wisdom and capability to reason that sends billions into eternal torture chamber.
The elect are regenerated so they can respond to the Lord's calling. When God elects people to salvation, He will do whatever it takes for them to believe. He will fail at achieving his effectual will. Like you mentioned earlier, Christ didn't die for someone only to have them not believe and perish in hell.
@chrisalsup19 In other words, God is only interested in saving a few people... he doesn't actually care about the majority of us -- which is why such evidence isn't provided.
@azsuperman01 There it is again, "doesn't actually care", you are good about throwing that in there. It's not that He doesn't "care", you damn yourself by sinning and not accepting the sacrifice Jesus has offered.
@chrisalsup19 Now you're changing your story. First you were damned unless God predestined you to salvation (you were one of the elect), now you're moving the blame to the victims. Sorry, but it doesn't work both ways. If you believe God has predestined the "elect" then it's hard to also claim that God cares about anyone else when he intends to torture them for the "crime" of not being preselected by him.
@chrisalsup19 What Jesus has offered!!! Just what has Jesus offered??? There it is again... "sacrifice"! There was no sacrifice!!! If it was all true..which it isn't, there would still be no sacrifice! swapping $1 for a Billion is not not my impression of a sacrifice. Jesus ascended from a lowly sin-filled earthly existing into a heavenly realm... not just that but as top dog in this heavenly realm... SO WHERE IS THIS SO CALLED SACRIFICE???? It's an illusion to tug at heart strings that's all!
@chrisalsup19 What Jesus has offered!!! Just what has Jesus offered??? There it is again... "sacrifice"! There was no sacrifice!!! If it was all true..which it isn't, there would still be no sacrifice! swapping $1 for a Billion is not not my impression of a sacrifice. Jesus ascended from a lowly sin-filled earthly existing into a heavenly realm... not just that but as top dog in this heavenly realm... SO WHERE IS THIS SO CALLED SACRIFICE???? It's an illusion to tug at heart strings that's all!
Common response: if God showed Himself to the world, it would remove people's free will. My question is this: given the example of Thomas, and given that the proper amount and proper nature of evidence convinced Thomas, is it right or wrong to say that Thomas had no free will? If Thomas had free will, then as you say, we ought to be afforded the same evidence by the same God. I'm sure all atheists know precisely what amount and nature of evidence would convince them of God's existence. I do.
Perhaps Thomas was even more of a sceptic than you. Perhaps God had a plan for Thomas's life that required him to touch and believe in Jesus completely. To spread the word that he actually touched Jesus' resurrected body. The message made it to you did it not?
Ok well first, let's get your story right. Read the Bible, Thomas never actually touched him, all he did when Jesus said to touch him was say "my Lord and my God". Second, the other 11 did not believe when Jesus said He will come back either. They thought it was all over and quit. Even after having seen him after the resurrection, Peter returned to his old life. The reason for these testimonies is to show us the things that can happen, so we prevent them before they do.
Because thomas walked with him. It wasn't that Jesus set out to prove to him inparticular that He was who He said He was, but to show that he was allowed to deny it. You are out of context yet again.
Will HE truly find faith upon the Earth when HE returns?...Hey bro you remind me alot of fag.got ass Thomas..lol...im sorry...im not sorry...no yeah bro im sorry...being 1 of 12 had its perks!!Yer Question "why is G#D gonna send U 2 hell 4 askin 4 proof"? B cuz it is the HOLY SPIRIT that testifies about JESUS nowadays. And blasphemy against THE HOLY GHOST will not B 4given beloved. Fukk bro I really wish U would return 2 the lover of your Soul..
The bible teaches that we live by faith and not sight. But we also have the Holy Spirit of God, as a seal for those who did believe. This was also to fulfill the scriptures,Jesus knew that there were going to be unbelievers in the new generation. But once you believe and ask for forgiveness,you receive the Holy Spirit,aka Jesus. So we don't need any further proof,because we believed and we feel his spirit upon us and yes even talks to us.****NEXT. JESUS STILL LIVES!!!
Faith is the answer. once you believe, you'll be given your proof. once you just start giving it a try, once you say to yourself "if there is a god, i want to know him" then you'll start seeing, but your closed off sir, and if even thomas couldn't believe without touching and feeling the wounds, then how in the world will any revelation convince you? Call on his name, and ask hm to reveal the truth to you, then you'll have your answer.
That should tell you all men are powerless to believe unless given the gift of faith from God.Thomas never touched the wounds of Jesus it never said he did.Powerlessness is in all Christ teaching that smart guys finish without true faith.Thomas and all men are never really seeing God but God is revealing to them
you missed the whole concept of that testimony..This was saying it will be hard to believe in Christ even if he came before you..So just knowing about Jesus will not help you believe in him.You must fully accept Jesus Christ and follow him.Then you will not have the doubt of a thomas..God is telling us it's not going to be easy for may,but that does not mean God wiull leave you..Those who don't know God will call these questions tough..i call them questions from nonChristians as they are.
The question still remains, why should the rest of us be expected to "fully accept Jesus Christ and follow him" on flimsier evidence than Thomas had - when even Thomas wouldn't believe it without first-hand knowledge?
Thomas was a Jew, and a disciple. The disciples heard Jesus speak of his death and resurrection but refused to believe, look how Peter reacted “not you”. The disciples did not expect Jesus to return, they went into hiding and is more likely they thought they had followed a false messiah. The Jews had a presupposition that the messiah would never die and limited understanding on resurrection. Perhaps then Christ dying un converted Thomas
The proposal that Thomas would then be an atheist is not quite fair, there have been many people who have refused the word of the bible and others only to be convinced by the evidence at a later time. Thomas wasn’t an unbeliever as such, but rather a string Jewish believer that presupposed an eternally living Messiah. Thomas had already shown in light of less evidence than we have now a belief in God, who he had not seen.
There is nothing wrong with wanting proof, but God does require a certain amount of faith as he works his plan, which first, includes destroying all of the works of Satan.
Because there is a time frame involved, God does not just suddenly act, Satan is actually on trial, and all of his actions, and those of the demons are recorded to be used against them, in closing the case.
Gods people are to remain faithful during this time.
@BudPeters44 Every lupole (spelling) in the bible is somewhat of a misconcept of a testimony, sounds like one huge cover up to me. and also on that note how can you have two versions of the same book? if what was the holy book be changed? because then it wouldn't be the same? Or have i missed the concept again? :]
Also, how do you know St. Thomas would have gone to Hell? "If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain; remove hence to a yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." Mathew 17:20. Get it?. This means the smallest of believers can go to Heaven if they're good people.
Thomas said: "Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."
He did not have faith that Jesus had risen. He needed evidence before he could believe.
Unless you're from a very liberal denomination, it's generally accepted that people who don't believe Jesus was resurrected will be sent to Hell.
That's a shaky word for me but I'll accept it if it truly mean's not being limited to orthodox views. If that's truly the word for liberal ( online dictionary definition) than everyone should be liberal. I actually don't really know what it means though. ,:(
I have a question, if you met Jesus and did feel him and did speak to him, would you then devote your life to him automatically like st. Thomas did? Also a lout of evidence do require faith. Just like the Big Bang theory in my textbook says that the universe formed from a primordial atom without giving me physical proof in a way the bible does too; UNLESS you look at the universe and decide for yourself if you and the heavens are proof enough for a big bang or God. sorry for long post :(
If God provided me the same level of evidence that he provided Thomas, I would definitely believe he existed - and I would devote my life to trying to prove it to others.
Luckily I don't think personally meeting Thomas is necessary to answer the question. It deals more specifically with God's motivation for giving extraordinary evidence that he is apparently unable or unwilling to provide to anyone else.
It is because evidence has nothing to do with someone becoming saved as is evidenced (no pun intended) by the millions of faithful Christians. You might want to begin studying evidential and presuppositional apologetics. Your biblical ignorance grows with every video I watch.
i think the last part of what chap... said in the text was important....Jesus replies "Blessed are those who believe without seeing me". i don't think Jesus desires to provide people with evidence so they will believe...He desires that people come to know Him because of their longing for Him...i was an atheist and a major sceptic...it didn't take hard evidence to convert me but for God to come in my brokeness and and care for me
I personally see the evidence of God every day.... if you ask to have eyes to see and ears to hear and sincerely want to know and see God... God does reveal Himself. Ask and Believe.
Sure, blessed are those who believe without seeing... what about the rest of us (like Thomas) who can't believe without evidence? Why doesn't God give us the same degree of proof he gave Thomas?
it wasn't the evidence that made Thomas believe in the end...that is just what he asked for... what Thomas got was Jesus coming into relationship with him and not revelation of the fact that He existed but revelation of His love for Thomas...Thomas asked for hard evidence to prove that it actually was his Rabbi and not some immitator...disciples in those days wanted to be everything that their rabbi was...Thomas wanted to be sure it was his rabbi
The thing is it doesn't matter how much evidence God gave you of His existence...in the end you still wouldn't believe...in another Text Jesus says that even if Moses was raised from the dead people would not believe... The Gospel is not about proving the existence of God...The Gospel is about loving and caring for all people and showing them through relationship that God is desires not for them not to be alienated from Him..I used to think I needed that same degree of proof...I was wrong
@777godisgreat the evidence DOES affect whether i'd believe or not. once presented with the evidence, Thomas believed. give me evidence, and i will believe, too. i'm not one of those people who just stubbornly "doesn't want to believe" no matter how much proof is given to me. if i have proof of something shown to me, i will believe.
You were never an atheist boy. for no ones believes will be changed with an experience. i myself am an atheist n proud to stand n fight for what i believe.
@SCTony01 your argument does not make sense for according to an atheist - seeing is believing- therefore, when I saw and experienced God using some of my five senses I chose to believe. so, yes, experience will change a person's beliefs
@SCTony01 once you perceive something more than once, it should become a fact in your mind...regardless of what other people say...fact is truth...and truth according to post-modernism as well as atheism is what we our selves perveive and then know to be true. sceince is theory...the goal of science is not to prove something to be true, but to prove it to be false. facts are not what others say to be fact...at least that is what my postmodern mind says.
I'm going to call you out on that one, 777godisgreat. Admit, you were never an atheist. You simply were not very into your religion at the time. There is a very big difference, and you should know that as not to mislead. Remember what the bible says about lying.
your call out is incorrect...I have only been a Christian for the last four years and I am now in Bible College. I was nowhere near being a Christian. I was hardcore. I had Christian friends who I fought with everyday...winning every debate. But then my mom passed away when. I was crushed and in that moment I heard so clear;y from a God a believed not to exist say that He was here for me and that He had great plans for me...that didn't convert me right away...it took another experience later
Winning every debate? Then please tell me about atheism and why you were an atheist, and how you won every debate. I think you are lying out of your teeth.
It's a common christian sympathy tactic to reveal that he was a "hardcore atheist' before some life changing, jesus- finding event. You guys say it to lend credibility to your current faith, as you have 'abandoned' atheism (which you never held in the first place). Like half of you guys do it and think people buy it, it's nothing new.
The bible should be crisp clear and direct. Not when the bible is full of contradictions and we must hate gays and kill them and the witch hunt was going on for 300 years and over 100000 women, men and children were tortured and executed in the name of the bible.
Touching the wounds is extraordinary evidence?? Seems like pretty standard protocol when determining if this is the man who was crucified. What does that have to do with being a believer?
I suppose Thomas would have died and gone to hell had he not gotten to touch Jesus's wounds. As to why that was his opportunity, not available to modern man, I don't know. There are certain direct encounters, healings, revelations, visions etc,... which still occur today, but nothing as hard evidence as Thomas had. Its a good question which I have no satisfying answer to, but I will see if someone smarter than me knows the answer and return to it later.
you must understand that everything is for a purpose and we dont see Christ on here like the disciples did and don't you think that verse was meant to be there Thomas was meant to say that so that we can read it today because he said "Blessed are those who believe without seeing me"
lol so man failed again and how is this GOD's fault? Why is he bringing this up as it is like Thomas is a perfect man? didn't Juda's do the same and he betrayed Jesus didn't Peter do the same but deny Christ these are to show us that how we fall form the glory of GOD we are men we sin Yet Jesus is always Perfect Did thomas stay an unbeliever in fact he became a more of a believer when christ left did Peter keep denying Christ? no IN FACThe died for his name sake CHECKMATE !! :)
@prettyemofreak - The point isn't that Thomas converted, the point is that Thomas ONLY converted after he was given extraordinary evidence. If first-hand accounts from people who said they had seen Jesus themselves was not enough for Thomas, reading the stories in a 2000 year old book wouldn't have been enough either. Why doesn't God given modern doubters the same degree of evidence that he gave Thomas?
Then he said to Thomas, Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Dont be faithless any longer. Believe! My Lord and my God! Thomas exclaimed. Then Jesus told him, You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.
One of the twelve disciples, Thomas(nicknamed the Twin), was not with the others when Jesus came. They told him, We have seen the Lord! But he replied, I wont believe it unless I see the nail wounds in his hands, put my fingers into them, and place my hand into the wound in his side. Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. Peace be with you, he said.
No one is perfect, even back then. Also we cant understand God's justice because we see it like "everyybody gets the same... thats not fair..." Pastors and Preachers dont convert people... God does. Any man cant make you believe, God changes your heart.
Thomas would not be an atheist, but a Jew as he was. If you reread your Bible you will see, and hear(if you read aloud) how the disciples did not understand that Jesus was going to die on the cross and be resurrected. How do we know this truth? The disciples chose to die in terrible ways rather than just admit that Jesus was not resurrected. That is all they had to say, but they all know(I do mean KNOW) who Jesus is... you do not. Answer the door Jesus is knocking.
Homer from the Simpson's said God was a class act, and had good teeth...............Remember that one? I don't think it's true, imaginary friends don't have teeth.....................Class act? Well he sure liked killing people in the old testament!
God has given me the evidence. It is the possession of the Holy Spirit. No I can not prove it to you. If I could then everyone would believe and no need for this test of faith we experience on earth. "Why not the same evidence for all?", I dont know.
God sent his son down to Earth to show everyone he did exist and to spread His love throught the nations and to save us. our ancestors chose to shun him instead. they chose to throw rocks at him, to spit on him, to kill him in the most humiliating and degrading way possible, because there was no way what he was saying was true. why would He do that again? He did before and no one believed him. why should God have to prove himself so he can "exist" in the minds of us insignificant humans?
@deathknight well, i'm not a christian but i'm a theist and there are more than a million proof for me to believe that there is a God. but i won't bother explaining even one proof to you because you're just a dick. and i read stuff for my own benefit, to acquire more knowledge, not to help stupid assholes like you to understand.
He doesn't need to. The scientific evidence and testomonies of people are more than enough to proove God's existence and all the things that is written in th Bible. Thomas may have been the greatest skeptic of all time. Second would be Paul/Saul. That's why God let Jesus show himself to them, in Thomas' case he needed to touch because seeing is not enough for him. God also favored Thomas because he is a disciple of Jesus and did good things. The good, even though skeptic is still favored by God.
i actually believe we have more evidence. yes, thomas walked and talked with him, felt his resurrected body. we can go look outside,at your own body in its amazing complexity, and see the creation. the bible says creation leaves us without excuse for not believing. we also have the whole bible so easily at our disposal. we have the countless christians who have experienced christ giving testimony, bearing witness to the gospels truth. please read romans 10:9 god bless
And Jesus said something along the lines, after the ordeal with St. Thomas, "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." St. Thomas is used as an example today of believing without seeing. We do not want to follow St. Thomas' example. Plus, St. Thomas was around when Jesus was too, so I guess it's just a perk of the deal of having Jesus actually there right next to you. God performs miracles today, but not to convert unbelief to belief. That is contradictory to what miracles are for.
In other words, blind faith. Stupid. Why would you believe in something that has no evidence? Because your parents told you to? Cause they're the same people who probably told you to believe in Santa.
Faith is not blind, in the same way as believing in the FSM. There is historical and scientific evidence to support the historicity of the person Jesus, there are modern day miracles that can't be explained by modern science, there is countless testimony in the Bible itself, and then there is the indelible mark Christianity has had on the world in the past 2,000 years. All in all, the jump from looking at what's present to actually believing it as true is not as big as one would think.
Flying Spaghetti Monster is a parody religion created to show that arguments for creationism are flawed because they can be applied for any god, even one that's made of pasta. But anyway, why aren't there any miracles that AREN'T medically impossible?
Someone regenerating an arm or floating into the heavens is a miracle.
Tumors go into remission. Cancer recedes. Diseases get fought off by the body. Things like that are NOT miracles, they are fortunate events.
I know what the FSM is. I also don't know what you mean by "why aren't there any miracles that aren't impossible." Way too many negatives in there. I realize that people can overcome cancer, that tumors can go away, and that the body can fight disease. Medical miracles are tricky because it is most likely, like you said, a fortunate event. But I am talking about the most serious and extreme cases. And of the many thousands of miracles that Vatican has recorded, not all are medical mysteries.
What I mean is that most "miracles" are simply very unlikely occurrences, as opposed to things that are impossible. Why does an all powerful god want to keep us in suspense by throwing around a cheap, unnoticeable miracle here and there, rather than regenerate someone's arm or something?
God never meant to throw us into suspense or anything. Miracles themselves were never meant as a tool for conversions. Even in the Bible, Jesus himself turns down opportunities to do a miracle to convert people. Miracles rather fulfill a religious purpose. To count a miracle, they cannot be merely oddities but must be in a very religious setting. Miracles though cannot be used as "proof." To believe a miracle implies religious belief in God, which is not a good proof, but can be good support.
Well I mean I don't go searching all the time for what miracles have happened, it's not like those things make the news or anything like that. But genuine miracles are a prerequisite for the very stringent guidelines the Church has to become a saint. Look up Padre Pio, he's good for this. Some miracles for sainthood the Church accepts are medical, levitation, stigmata, incorruptible, good odor after death, liquefaction, bilocation, etc. In 2002 Mother Teresa got a miracle to her name.
@ezyreap David Blaine.. he owns jesus.. ex. Jesus turned water to wine.. Blaine (an illusionist) turned hot coffee to money.. Jesus walks on water.. Blaine levitates on land.. I mean the man has me stumped with some of his tricks and this is 2010 imagine 2000 years ago when people believed the world was flat and you could fall off. He even takes it to the extremes.. performing for people with little to no official language. It's like a time machine + magic
without the bible!?!? he is using the bible to ask questions. and you want us to defend our faith without it? lol your just retarded. thats like me saying, 2+2 = 7 and you aren't allowed to use a math book, calculator, or any scientific tool to prove me wrong. and about the movie, thats why the gospel of thomas isn't in the bible. Thomas was also beloved. God has favorites believe it or not, he states this in the bible
THE BIBLE ITSELF SAYS THAT THE CREATION ITSELF IS ENOUGH TO SHOW US HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GLORY. SEEING THAT PEOPLE STILL DENY HIM. "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him" ROMANS 1:20-21
Thomas was simply fortunate enough to be one of the lords faithful apostles. That is why he was blessed to see the lord risen. That is what i believe anyway.
God has mercy on whomever he wills, therefore he allowed Thomas (and many others to believe), and leaves others to their sin, and then punishes them for it.
Fuck Beans!!! If god exsists...he's an asshole. What an errogant fucker! I mean isn't just being a god good enough? NOOOO!!! He has to create an entire world full of people to kiss his ass! Lets us have the "free will" to choose not to kiss his ass and then burns us FOREVER! That's not what bothers me! It's that that's ok with people who believ in him! That everyone that doesn't shut off their intelect and just believe will be fucking burned as if was a good thing!!! FUCK!!!!
We have to pay for breaking the law. If a local crime was commited, we would pay a local penalty. If a crime was done against the state, or federal gov't, we would be punished accordingly. Since our crime was done against Eternal God, we will be punished eternally! HELLO! You choose to sin. You chose to rebel. You chose to spend eternity in hell. JESUS-THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIGHT!
1.Thomas was NOT sittin around n talking w/Jesus, with doubt of who Jesus was. Bible doesnt say that. It says that the men were in the house N Jesus appeared 2 them, but thomas doubted. Jesus told him 2 check scars, but thomas w/out touching, said,"My Lord, and My God!"2. Thomas would Not have gone to hell because he was ALREADY saved. All the disciples were already saved except Judas. 3. Why u would go 2 hell, you ask? Because we ALL are sinners! Broken Gods command! It was a CRIME done 2 God..
Well, your question is self-sufficient answered in your own words, in a video before this.
"OH, OH I DON'T THINK GOD CAN DEFEND HIMSELF NO MORE"
"OH OH GOD IS EVIL EVERYTHING HE DOES IS EVIL"
Knowing the fact that you will still not repent nor serve Him even if you saw Him is more than enough proof why God doesn't demonstrate himself with hardly any athiest.
Notice that Thomas obeyed God. Same with Paul, they OBEYED God they were thankful even through tribulations were as you would complain
"Why you let me have problems GOd, this is all your fault"
Paul would be thankful, you would complain and doubt God's loyalty. That's the difference. If you truly seek you should find, yet you have not found God, because you're not looking for HIm, nor his justice.
Oh yeah by the way God will give you a sign so like that hardly any athiest will have an excuse, and since you like using the bible so much in your "Tough (Foolish) Questions" I might as well do so myself, for 3.5 years God will hit this world with plagues and will you repent? No! You will blaspheme God, who has power over all those plagues.
Good question it actually made me think and organize the few things I know about God, but I found it In the experiences of my family and friends, people asked, with their hearth for a proof of Gods existence, and He gaveem that proof, Considering they made it in a very deep depression and stressful situations, such as death menaces or desperating economic troubles, why would they invent such a lie?, dont expect for proofs of a HUGE dimension, God preffers the simple things.
There is also the case of Paul who was persecuting Christians and saw a vision of Jesus and bright light, and then experienced temporary blindness, etc. Of course there is a form of seizures where a person can have delusion, see light, go blind, etc. So can be rationally explained today.
It doesn't matter whether u believe or not. U will be saved. But if u believe and follow Gods ways then u will find a closer place in heaven with God.
yuvanrockstar 3 weeks ago
According to Romans 1, God has personally given you all the proof you need in order to believe in Him right in front of your face. Whether you accept the evidence God Himself has given you is your own choice.
SummerSunshine1988 3 weeks ago
Thomas was saved by faith. The people prior to Jesus walking the earth were saved by faith and the people today are saved by faith. God has always saved by faith. If Thomas did not place his trust in Jesus, he would not have been saved. By not believing in God, does not send you to hell. Your sins against God send you to hell. Jesus saved me from hell when I placed my trust in Him, otherwise my sins against God would send me to hell. It's faith that we are saved.
kimkerchner 2 months ago
The important part of the story is that Thomas not only believed, but declared Jesus as his lord and his God. Atheists frequently demand more proof, but there's nothing to suggest that additional proof would necessarily lead to the saving love relationship that God desires. After all, even the demons believe in God. If this proof indeed wouldn't change your heart, God is under no moral obligation to provide it.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz First of all, I see no evidence in the bibles that the one you simply call 'god' is capable of a loving relationship with anyone. Second if he was real I think he would have a moral obligation to give people the information to make an informed decision.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Jn 3:16, "Your love, O LORD, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies." Ps 36:5, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin." Ex 34:6-7.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz I do not call drowning children loving. I do not call slaughtering children with angels, or ordering his people to slaughter men, women, pregnant women, children, cattle in mass genocides and infanticides loving. I do not call do what I say or suffer 'loving'. Love is not do whatever I say and like it. If you call that love, I say you have no idea what love is.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart Okay, so you don't actually deny that God can love, you're just saying that you think God has committed evil acts. That isn't the topic of this video and actually requires a great deal of discussion, so if you'd like a thorough response, you can PM me with specific examples of what you see as immoral behavior on God's part.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz No, I said that character is not capable of love. I'm not sure what's confusing about that. Evil acts are included as part of the explanation. And examples were already given, for example, mass genocide and infanticide.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart Your argument is: (1) God has committed evil acts (2) A being that commits evil acts cannot love, therefore (3) God cannot love. I think (1) is false, and (2) is not logically true. I've committed terrible evil acts, can I not love?
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHu 1) Not exactly, evil is more of a religious term, it's more unethical. And unless you're contending that infanticide and genocide are just fine, among other things, than yes that's true, or true that that is how the biblical stories go anyway.
As for loving, again, do what I say or else is not love.
"can I not love?" Let me ask you, do you feel if anyone ever does anything you don't like you cannot associate with them? If not, than it's not an apt comparison. Also I very much doubt...
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart You're way, way off topic at this point, unsure how long I'm willing to continue to engage. Just a few points though: You haven't established that someone who commits evil is incapable of love. You actually haven't made a specific case to suggest that God has done evil, care to mention some specifics? Finally, in response to "do what I say or else is not love", what the Christian God says is better stated as "Do what I say and you will not perish due to your own folly".
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwit1) "You actually haven't made a specific case to suggest that God has done evil, care to mention some specifics?"
You don't read do you? You used the word evil, I said unethical would be better suited. You suggested the only thing I said was that one who does 'evil' cannot love, I reminded you that his 'evil' acts were only a portion of the point. I mentioned genocide and infanticide, the allowances of slavery and rape. That's specific. If you want the specific passages, ask for them.
humanistheart 3 months ago
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@JWHurwitz 2) You avoided the question: ""can I not love?" Let me ask you, do you feel if anyone ever does anything you don't like you cannot associate with them? If not, than it's not an apt comparison. Also I very much doubt..." Well?
""Do what I say and you will not perish due to your own folly".No that is not a better way of saying that, as that shifts the character Yahweh' petty hangups on others.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz that the 'terrible evil acts' you've committed are anywhere close to the biblical gods. How many children have you slaughtered? How many genocides have you committed? Have you condoned slavery or rape or random murder? If not, it's not anywhere close to comparable.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart Either you are simply saying you don't believe that the Bible is accurate even in the slightest degree, which is unjustifiable from an academic viewpoint, or that God is a liar. God does give everyone ample evidence for His existence: the witness of His creation and the moral law written on our hearts. There are numerous arguments beyond that. Moreover, God does not want just your belief (even demons believe) but rather He wants your heart.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz Neither, although the bibles are not accurate, that's not what I said. I said there is nothing in the biblical stories to suggest the abrahamic god was capable of a loving relationship with anyone. And no, there is ZERO evidence of any gods existence. You have to assume he exits in the first place to think of this as 'his creation'.
humanistheart 3 months ago
@humanistheart Okay, well, maybe you would be so good as to explain why you think that God can't love. Almost no one thinks that the Christian God, as described in the Bible and understood through doctrine,is incapable of love. As such, I'm unaware of what your reasons for this might be.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
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@JWHurwitz "Okay, well, maybe you would be so good as to explain why you think that God can't love"
As I said, 'do what I say or else' is not love, it's tyranny. Let me ask you, if I told you my mother or daughter or son did something I don't like, so I refuse to talk to them ever, would you believe me if I told you that I still loved them? I wouldn't after hearing that, so why do you believe that for your god?
humanistheart 3 months ago
He was lucky to have been there. It's tough for atheists, as most of them don't have the faith required in any religion.
emilovesyouxp 5 months ago
I do like the insightful questions you have put up on here, you're obviously a deep thinking person, i just wish the responses were equally as insightful, not just Christian apologetics .......
ianjrivers 6 months ago
what makes you the authority on these matters? asssuperman.
MegaRaidersrule 6 months ago
He believed it when he saw it. When Jesus came to him Jesus told him to stick his fingers in the wounds. Jesus made him to do that. I think because Jesus and Thomas were close. Like you said,he was there he saw all the things Jesus did. I always took that part of the story as that Jesus was angry with Thomas for not believing after all he saw, after all they had been through, after all Jesus taught. That's why he got that proof.
Faith requires no proof. It just is.
etonks 8 months ago
Dude Satan is a great adversary his disceptive work is very powerful he deceived the third of the angels..the answer to your question is simple it just proves that evidence and proof is not enough to turn out evil rebelious hearts to God. It takes humility and the dropping of pride.
MissChaceurz 9 months ago
Well in that time, there was simon magus, & other kabbalistic magicians. miracles were thought of as tricks. none of the disciples understood any of it until the holy spirit came on them. So Thomas was just like anyone else. if you saw your mother die, & people said she was alive, would you believe? Of course not, & when you are mourning & in shock, you would need to touch that person to overcome the life long rational that when something dies, it dies.Thomas did not understand the resurrection.
2skullscrushing 9 months ago
The disciples did not choose Jesus he chose them. Just like today, christians don't chose Jesus, God thru his own purpose chose us. Not out of anything will did. So thomas showed he was fallen in that he didn't believe. God was showing that he was chosen and revealed himself to him. Just as when Peter denied him three times and all his disciples scattered for their lives. Jesus was instructed by the Father not to lose anything the Father sent him. So they were restored to grace. Simple!
TheSkymega 9 months ago
the best way to know that God exist is to go to the source. go to HIm in prayer.challenge him to show himself to u but u must do so with humility and a genuine desire to know him. if u do so with the intention of proving he doesnt exist then he will never come to u and u have to be persistent and patient.
despite to popular opinion, we christians are not delusional. we are not christians based on what is written in a book. we have experienced the evidence thats what most people dont get
sweetdietqueen 10 months ago
you're absolutely right about thomas
1) thomas was given that evidence because Jesus was still on earth in the form of a flesh. so thomas got lucky
2) the bible teaches us not to be like "doubting thomas". "greater is he that has believed and had not seen"
3)the evidence of God's existence is still here with us cos when jesus left, he sent down the Holy Spirit. if u want to believe u have to go and look for it
sweetdietqueen 10 months ago
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MrItchyElbow 10 months ago
may it's true if God just being choosy or bias...so why the whinning...if we dont bother to believe that there something bigger like heaven or hell..if that is the main point so why is this vid made..why bother..why dont just live carefree..total carefree..
twistedhand86 11 months ago
First of all you misquote the story. Thomas was not there the first time. When the disciples mentioned what happen,Thomas said unless I see thus and thus. The next time Jesus came, Jesus himself asked Thomas to reach his finger to see it was him. Why do you forget about the doubt of the other apostles beforehand? Since God is all knowing he knows what each needs to be convinced not you.
RepresentingTruth 11 months ago
Man is not permitted to question God's sovereign acts (Rom 9:19-24) Thomas' doubt was not in God's existence, but in the resurrection, proving that Jesus is the Savior Messiah, which is to be believed (John 20:31) a mere faith in God's existence is not saving (Jas 2:19). God has always given the same degree of evidence of Himself, as Ro 1:18-20 tells us. The main point Jesus is making is "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." (Again, that is believing in Jesus as Savior)
nilzor 1 year ago
and there is proof all around you if you really look. Miracles, nature, people doing good, honest things. This is proof that God is here and he works even today.
chickenman9119 1 year ago
it's called faith; belief in the unknown and unprovable
chickenman9119 1 year ago
The evidence is quite strong via visible communion, via history and quite alone what you believe: aka Jesus and Thomas and their moments of this. It is lesser proof. It's not a weak proof. Check out the CS Lewis convert. BUT, faith is a very valuable virtue that is shown by many historians in science to fuel the expansion of it. Base on assuming, light, believing consciousness believing Energy. These things are not quite entirely known yet we believe it!
5htpcure 1 year ago
we don't question Santa because Santa brings us stuff....Jesus just passes out hope. Kinda like that guy that ows you money but would rather keep owing you than cheat you out of it.
See sam harris's "Letter to a christian nation" on youtube. Full book on audio Out standing and has a lot of the same types of questions,.
irreverentjim 1 year ago
I see this differently. THOMAS was already a believer who was I think,
not questioning the deity of CHRIST, but was AS someone who thought someone they loved was burned alive, decimated, nothngleft, suddenly the person is e standing there with them, you or they would want to touch them, hold them, feel them, to confirm with joy, not imagining them.. awestruck, happy. Had to touch him. Jesus said blessed are those who do not see & believe,did not condemn
THOMAS. READ IT.
HALLELUZZ777 1 year ago
@HALLELUZZ777 God is a an alien his realname is clifford. ive met him twice we go for walks. hes quite nice but not really bothered with humans anymore as hes sick of all your BULLSHIT!!!
jfmn24 1 year ago
Thomas was allowed to see so that when people asked, even after Jesus spent 40 days going around showing himself to people proving he was alive, there would be a witness account(s) that someone did so do those things. Someone who doubted did see and touch. And if you remember, Thomas immediately regretted his doubt of his Lord. Why isn't God giving proof now? Why should he? He's already come and died. There are sixty books that account for this. If you don't know, what would prove it to you?
Masqueradia 1 year ago
Thomas was allowed to see so that when people asked, even after Jesus spent 40 days going around showing himself to people proving he was alive, there would be a witness account that someone did so do those things. Someone who doubted did see and touch. And if you remember, Thomas immediately regretted his doubt of his Lord. Why isn't God giving proof now? Why should he? He's already come and died. There are sixty books that account for this. If you don't know, what would prove it to you?
Masqueradia 1 year ago
Superman, this is a good question. You are getting better at asking them. Thank you for the challenge.
Catholics know him as 'Doubting Thomas'.
My opinion - God does give everyone the same evidence () but not everyone accepts the evidence where Thomas did. A desire to know the truth and a humble heart is required.
Bible - (1 Tim. 2:4, 2 Pet. 3:9, Mat 21:22,Luke 11:9,John 15:7)
Catholic - google search "A Proof of the Existence of God By James Kidd"
MrChristianBeliever 1 year ago
@MrChristianBeliever In the bibles this god sends signs, speaks to the people as a whole, does things like making a very misty morning but leaving specified articles of cloth completely dry. Go ahead, leave some clothes out and ask for the same miracle, ask for everything else to be drenched but your favorite shirt be left dry, see where that gets you. No one get's proof of this god, because he doesn't exist.
humanistheart 1 year ago
First of all, if you actually read John 20: 26-28, it doesn't say that Thomas actually touched Jesus's wounds, although Jesus did offer to let him. Just seeing Jesus turned out to be enough for Thomas.
As for the reasons behind why Jesus appeared to Thomas, I think my fellow Christians have already addressed the issue in the other comments. God bless you all!
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
Wow great Video!!
Have you seen this one?? watch?v=dNFBF1QBLBg
rawhoopstar3 1 year ago
@rawhoopstar3 Why do you say that on every single one of his video's? How about a reasonable response for a change?
humanistheart 1 year ago
veracity. The truth of the resurrection of Christ. (and the resurrection is what Thomas doubted....NOT the existence of God or the denial of the Jewish faith).
Thomas' lack of faith (and BTW, thomas wouldn't have died and gone to hell) is a testimony to all Christians as to the fact that "something happened" that changed Thomas and gave Him faith. He witnessed the resurrected Christ - and this also gives Christians information regarding His glorified body.
Question everything.
Breckmin 1 year ago
Perhaps it was partly so that Jesus could say to His disciples "Blessed are those who have NOT seen and yet believe?" Perhaps it was to show how incredibly unbelievable the concept of resurrection was at the time - and yet the disciples gave their lives. Perhaps it was a lack of faith in Christ on Thomas' part. Look at Saul who became Paul. He was given GRACE also.
The fact is we could point to multiple reasons as to why Thomas' doubting was included in the scripture...and they all point to
Breckmin 1 year ago
There is nothing "fair" about Grace or the mercy given to Thomas, first of all.
God is PERFECTLY fair - IF you define fair or fairness as appropriate or just (justice).
BUT if you define fairness as everyone having equal opportunity you will discover that this is impossible (because of absolute choices that affect one another) and we are not robots./puppets just staying perfectly still with the same experience (without motion or choices).
I disagree that Thomas would have been an atheist
Breckmin 1 year ago
the irony is that you are using the account of Thomas doubting and assuming that it is factual (and that Jesus rose from the dead) as a basis for skeptism.
The reality is that IT ISN'T FAIR! Your question is involving equal opportunity,,,, something that doesn't exist in the universe...so it is illogical to appeal to.
Everyone is born at different points in time and under different circumstances with other people's choices affecting them. God is NOT fair when it comes to equal opportunity
Breckmin 1 year ago
You are not Jesus, and He is the only one who dedcides who goes to hell. You have no possible way of knowing where Thomas would end up. He had already been chosen by Christ. Please go take a bible study somewhere so that you can read scripture with discernment. I suggest Way of the Master.
6883a927 1 year ago
This requires the belief that God not only exists, but is fair and consistent. Maybe our standards of justice are as ridiculous to God as the rule about wearing clothes with two different kinds of fabric is to most of us.
qwexas 1 year ago
you make far to many assumptions in this question, we don't know that Thomas would have been an atheist today, we don't know that he would not have taken the word of the rest of the disciples eventually, we know that he asked for the proof that he asked for, and received it. I have all the proof I need to believe that Jesus is who He says He is, and I don't require anything beyond what God has provided me in His creation and in His word.
Your tough question here is really a flimsy one at best.
pastorjazz 1 year ago
Because Thomas WAS a believer in Jesus, he was given GRACE when he, doubted. Just as all believers receive grace when we stumble. This is an example that Jesus was not God-in totality- yet He was God in the flesh, ie how could God die, and how, if dead,.could he raise His Son? God judges according to our hearts, he has shown proof to many- I am one of them. But why should He prove Himself to those who hate Him?
IslandMystic 1 year ago
because he doesn't have too!
lunabirdie 1 year ago
oh man the videos are good but reading these comments and watching apologetics scramble and try to come up with , in what their minds are, coherent answers is soooooooooo good. thank you sir
85mariapatricia 1 year ago
Easy question. What did Jesus say to Thomas after he proved it too him. " Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. ". THe blessing is not on them that have seen but them that believed. Remember that it is Jesus who revealed himself to Thomas. He is the author and finisher of our faith. Thomas did not become saved because he saw and felt Jesus then believed. Jesus saved Thomas. Next!
TheSkymega 1 year ago
i fear you dont understand that god doesnt have to. he doesnt want to either. the only reason he showed thomas was because thomas was going to be a big help for christianity. christians live by faith, not by sight
soldier9718 1 year ago
@soldier9718
dont u think that showing himself to the world wouldnt be good for Christianity?
instead he chooses to torture billions of people for flaws he(god) himself did.
if god wanted us to follow him and worship, he wouldnt have given us so big brains and made us intelligent. our skepticism is the result of his flawed creation. he gave us too much intelligence, wisdom and capability to reason that sends billions into eternal torture chamber.
UninstallingWindows 1 year ago
The elect are regenerated so they can respond to the Lord's calling. When God elects people to salvation, He will do whatever it takes for them to believe. He will fail at achieving his effectual will. Like you mentioned earlier, Christ didn't die for someone only to have them not believe and perish in hell.
chrisalsup19 1 year ago
@chrisalsup19 In other words, God is only interested in saving a few people... he doesn't actually care about the majority of us -- which is why such evidence isn't provided.
azsuperman01 1 year ago
@azsuperman01 There it is again, "doesn't actually care", you are good about throwing that in there. It's not that He doesn't "care", you damn yourself by sinning and not accepting the sacrifice Jesus has offered.
chrisalsup19 1 year ago
@chrisalsup19 Now you're changing your story. First you were damned unless God predestined you to salvation (you were one of the elect), now you're moving the blame to the victims. Sorry, but it doesn't work both ways. If you believe God has predestined the "elect" then it's hard to also claim that God cares about anyone else when he intends to torture them for the "crime" of not being preselected by him.
azsuperman01 1 year ago 2
@azsuperman01 People are not tortured by God, they are tortured by hell and/or satan. The crime everyone is guilty of is sin.
chrisalsup19 1 year ago
@azsuperman01
When Jesus miraculously appeared to the deciples in a locked room, He immediately singled Thomas out for a rebuke (John 20:24-28).
I’m sure Thomas learned a valuable lesson from this. Some people are naturally suspicious people, of the type that are prone to ‘conspiracy theories’.
It took a jolt from the Lord Jesus to cure Thomas of this obsessive behaviour.
You can wait till you see him for yourself as well, but I would not risk that, It's easier to just believe.
Bepps100 6 months ago
@chrisalsup19 What Jesus has offered!!! Just what has Jesus offered??? There it is again... "sacrifice"! There was no sacrifice!!! If it was all true..which it isn't, there would still be no sacrifice! swapping $1 for a Billion is not not my impression of a sacrifice. Jesus ascended from a lowly sin-filled earthly existing into a heavenly realm... not just that but as top dog in this heavenly realm... SO WHERE IS THIS SO CALLED SACRIFICE???? It's an illusion to tug at heart strings that's all!
sssharp1 11 months ago
@chrisalsup19 What Jesus has offered!!! Just what has Jesus offered??? There it is again... "sacrifice"! There was no sacrifice!!! If it was all true..which it isn't, there would still be no sacrifice! swapping $1 for a Billion is not not my impression of a sacrifice. Jesus ascended from a lowly sin-filled earthly existing into a heavenly realm... not just that but as top dog in this heavenly realm... SO WHERE IS THIS SO CALLED SACRIFICE???? It's an illusion to tug at heart strings that's all!
sssharp1 11 months ago
hell yes for saint thomas!
ryanireland187 1 year ago
Common response: if God showed Himself to the world, it would remove people's free will. My question is this: given the example of Thomas, and given that the proper amount and proper nature of evidence convinced Thomas, is it right or wrong to say that Thomas had no free will? If Thomas had free will, then as you say, we ought to be afforded the same evidence by the same God. I'm sure all atheists know precisely what amount and nature of evidence would convince them of God's existence. I do.
jonwillis 1 year ago
Perhaps Thomas was even more of a sceptic than you. Perhaps God had a plan for Thomas's life that required him to touch and believe in Jesus completely. To spread the word that he actually touched Jesus' resurrected body. The message made it to you did it not?
ParadigmShifter29 1 year ago
Ok well first, let's get your story right. Read the Bible, Thomas never actually touched him, all he did when Jesus said to touch him was say "my Lord and my God". Second, the other 11 did not believe when Jesus said He will come back either. They thought it was all over and quit. Even after having seen him after the resurrection, Peter returned to his old life. The reason for these testimonies is to show us the things that can happen, so we prevent them before they do.
bhiller91 1 year ago
Because thomas walked with him. It wasn't that Jesus set out to prove to him inparticular that He was who He said He was, but to show that he was allowed to deny it. You are out of context yet again.
xxxxbleachloverxxxx 1 year ago
my dear man u r really a fool
crusaderjames007 1 year ago
Will HE truly find faith upon the Earth when HE returns?...Hey bro you remind me alot of fag.got ass Thomas..lol...im sorry...im not sorry...no yeah bro im sorry...being 1 of 12 had its perks!!Yer Question "why is G#D gonna send U 2 hell 4 askin 4 proof"? B cuz it is the HOLY SPIRIT that testifies about JESUS nowadays. And blasphemy against THE HOLY GHOST will not B 4given beloved. Fukk bro I really wish U would return 2 the lover of your Soul..
SuperAlex414 1 year ago
The bible teaches that we live by faith and not sight. But we also have the Holy Spirit of God, as a seal for those who did believe. This was also to fulfill the scriptures,Jesus knew that there were going to be unbelievers in the new generation. But once you believe and ask for forgiveness,you receive the Holy Spirit,aka Jesus. So we don't need any further proof,because we believed and we feel his spirit upon us and yes even talks to us.****NEXT. JESUS STILL LIVES!!!
Freddymack1000 1 year ago
Faith is the answer. once you believe, you'll be given your proof. once you just start giving it a try, once you say to yourself "if there is a god, i want to know him" then you'll start seeing, but your closed off sir, and if even thomas couldn't believe without touching and feeling the wounds, then how in the world will any revelation convince you? Call on his name, and ask hm to reveal the truth to you, then you'll have your answer.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
awnser me this asshole who were the three disciples Jesus always brought with him
michaeljabara 1 year ago
That should tell you all men are powerless to believe unless given the gift of faith from God.Thomas never touched the wounds of Jesus it never said he did.Powerlessness is in all Christ teaching that smart guys finish without true faith.Thomas and all men are never really seeing God but God is revealing to them
polopowers1 1 year ago
this happend because Jesus was already standing there and thomas was just dum like dat.
danyandmarc 1 year ago
you missed the whole concept of that testimony..This was saying it will be hard to believe in Christ even if he came before you..So just knowing about Jesus will not help you believe in him.You must fully accept Jesus Christ and follow him.Then you will not have the doubt of a thomas..God is telling us it's not going to be easy for may,but that does not mean God wiull leave you..Those who don't know God will call these questions tough..i call them questions from nonChristians as they are.
BudPeters44 1 year ago
@BudPeters44
The question still remains, why should the rest of us be expected to "fully accept Jesus Christ and follow him" on flimsier evidence than Thomas had - when even Thomas wouldn't believe it without first-hand knowledge?
azsuperman01 1 year ago
Thomas was a Jew, and a disciple. The disciples heard Jesus speak of his death and resurrection but refused to believe, look how Peter reacted “not you”. The disciples did not expect Jesus to return, they went into hiding and is more likely they thought they had followed a false messiah. The Jews had a presupposition that the messiah would never die and limited understanding on resurrection. Perhaps then Christ dying un converted Thomas
stephjh2006 1 year ago
The proposal that Thomas would then be an atheist is not quite fair, there have been many people who have refused the word of the bible and others only to be convinced by the evidence at a later time. Thomas wasn’t an unbeliever as such, but rather a string Jewish believer that presupposed an eternally living Messiah. Thomas had already shown in light of less evidence than we have now a belief in God, who he had not seen.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@azsuperman01
This is probably your best question.
There is nothing wrong with wanting proof, but God does require a certain amount of faith as he works his plan, which first, includes destroying all of the works of Satan.
Because there is a time frame involved, God does not just suddenly act, Satan is actually on trial, and all of his actions, and those of the demons are recorded to be used against them, in closing the case.
Gods people are to remain faithful during this time.
Bepps100 6 months ago
@BudPeters44 Every lupole (spelling) in the bible is somewhat of a misconcept of a testimony, sounds like one huge cover up to me. and also on that note how can you have two versions of the same book? if what was the holy book be changed? because then it wouldn't be the same? Or have i missed the concept again? :]
xFierceDeityLinkx 1 year ago
Also, how do you know St. Thomas would have gone to Hell? "If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain; remove hence to a yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." Mathew 17:20. Get it?. This means the smallest of believers can go to Heaven if they're good people.
seanfenrir 1 year ago
@seanfenrir
Thomas said: "Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."
He did not have faith that Jesus had risen. He needed evidence before he could believe.
Unless you're from a very liberal denomination, it's generally accepted that people who don't believe Jesus was resurrected will be sent to Hell.
azsuperman01 1 year ago
That's a shaky word for me but I'll accept it if it truly mean's not being limited to orthodox views. If that's truly the word for liberal ( online dictionary definition) than everyone should be liberal. I actually don't really know what it means though. ,:(
seanfenrir 1 year ago
I have a question, if you met Jesus and did feel him and did speak to him, would you then devote your life to him automatically like st. Thomas did? Also a lout of evidence do require faith. Just like the Big Bang theory in my textbook says that the universe formed from a primordial atom without giving me physical proof in a way the bible does too; UNLESS you look at the universe and decide for yourself if you and the heavens are proof enough for a big bang or God. sorry for long post :(
seanfenrir 1 year ago
@seanfenrir
If God provided me the same level of evidence that he provided Thomas, I would definitely believe he existed - and I would devote my life to trying to prove it to others.
azsuperman01 1 year ago
Psalm 51:6
Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being,And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.
thoughtraid 1 year ago
I never met the guy. And neither did anyone alive.
mrmikerotch 1 year ago
@mrmikerotch
Luckily I don't think personally meeting Thomas is necessary to answer the question. It deals more specifically with God's motivation for giving extraordinary evidence that he is apparently unable or unwilling to provide to anyone else.
azsuperman01 1 year ago
he is our disciple,lived with us,ut still the douting nature of st.thomas itseld has allowed the indian catholic church to digress away from us
nasranithomman 1 year ago
It is because evidence has nothing to do with someone becoming saved as is evidenced (no pun intended) by the millions of faithful Christians. You might want to begin studying evidential and presuppositional apologetics. Your biblical ignorance grows with every video I watch.
fivepointbaptist 1 year ago
now that's a DAMN good question!
Steveman27 2 years ago
i think the last part of what chap... said in the text was important....Jesus replies "Blessed are those who believe without seeing me". i don't think Jesus desires to provide people with evidence so they will believe...He desires that people come to know Him because of their longing for Him...i was an atheist and a major sceptic...it didn't take hard evidence to convert me but for God to come in my brokeness and and care for me
777godisgreat 2 years ago
Beautifully said and God Bless you.
I personally see the evidence of God every day.... if you ask to have eyes to see and ears to hear and sincerely want to know and see God... God does reveal Himself. Ask and Believe.
MyCelticHeaven 2 years ago
@MyCelticHeaven Because you're looking for it specifically whilst oblivious to anything that might contradict what it is that you WANT to see ;)
rlf1810 1 year ago
@777godisgreat
Sure, blessed are those who believe without seeing... what about the rest of us (like Thomas) who can't believe without evidence? Why doesn't God give us the same degree of proof he gave Thomas?
azsuperman01 2 years ago
it wasn't the evidence that made Thomas believe in the end...that is just what he asked for... what Thomas got was Jesus coming into relationship with him and not revelation of the fact that He existed but revelation of His love for Thomas...Thomas asked for hard evidence to prove that it actually was his Rabbi and not some immitator...disciples in those days wanted to be everything that their rabbi was...Thomas wanted to be sure it was his rabbi
777godisgreat 2 years ago
The thing is it doesn't matter how much evidence God gave you of His existence...in the end you still wouldn't believe...in another Text Jesus says that even if Moses was raised from the dead people would not believe... The Gospel is not about proving the existence of God...The Gospel is about loving and caring for all people and showing them through relationship that God is desires not for them not to be alienated from Him..I used to think I needed that same degree of proof...I was wrong
777godisgreat 2 years ago
@777godisgreat the evidence DOES affect whether i'd believe or not. once presented with the evidence, Thomas believed. give me evidence, and i will believe, too. i'm not one of those people who just stubbornly "doesn't want to believe" no matter how much proof is given to me. if i have proof of something shown to me, i will believe.
matt0198922 2 years ago
You were never an atheist boy. for no ones believes will be changed with an experience. i myself am an atheist n proud to stand n fight for what i believe.
SCTony01 1 year ago
@SCTony01 your argument does not make sense for according to an atheist - seeing is believing- therefore, when I saw and experienced God using some of my five senses I chose to believe. so, yes, experience will change a person's beliefs
777godisgreat 1 year ago
It's not all seeing is believing we need facts and fellow atheists will agree with me
SCTony01 1 year ago
@SCTony01 once you perceive something more than once, it should become a fact in your mind...regardless of what other people say...fact is truth...and truth according to post-modernism as well as atheism is what we our selves perveive and then know to be true. sceince is theory...the goal of science is not to prove something to be true, but to prove it to be false. facts are not what others say to be fact...at least that is what my postmodern mind says.
777godisgreat 1 year ago
I'm going to call you out on that one, 777godisgreat. Admit, you were never an atheist. You simply were not very into your religion at the time. There is a very big difference, and you should know that as not to mislead. Remember what the bible says about lying.
Viniagrette 2 years ago
your call out is incorrect...I have only been a Christian for the last four years and I am now in Bible College. I was nowhere near being a Christian. I was hardcore. I had Christian friends who I fought with everyday...winning every debate. But then my mom passed away when. I was crushed and in that moment I heard so clear;y from a God a believed not to exist say that He was here for me and that He had great plans for me...that didn't convert me right away...it took another experience later
777godisgreat 2 years ago
Winning every debate? Then please tell me about atheism and why you were an atheist, and how you won every debate. I think you are lying out of your teeth.
Viniagrette 2 years ago
It's a common christian sympathy tactic to reveal that he was a "hardcore atheist' before some life changing, jesus- finding event. You guys say it to lend credibility to your current faith, as you have 'abandoned' atheism (which you never held in the first place). Like half of you guys do it and think people buy it, it's nothing new.
Viniagrette 2 years ago
The bible should be crisp clear and direct. Not when the bible is full of contradictions and we must hate gays and kill them and the witch hunt was going on for 300 years and over 100000 women, men and children were tortured and executed in the name of the bible.
ezyreap 2 years ago
Perhaps the reason Thomas doubted was because the man could have been someone pretending to be Jesus?
lex798 2 years ago
@lex798 The question isn't why Thomas doubted, but why God gave him extraordinary evidence that he is unwilling (or unable) to give to modern people.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
Touching the wounds is extraordinary evidence?? Seems like pretty standard protocol when determining if this is the man who was crucified. What does that have to do with being a believer?
lex798 2 years ago
@lex798
Is is extraordinary evidence because Jesus was supposed to be dead!
The other apostles told Thomas they had seen Jesus alive - but Thomas couldn't believe their stories without seeing and touching Jesus for himself.
Why won't Jesus appear before the rest of us who need to see him and touch him in order to believe the claims about him?
Since Thomas didn't believe first-hand accounts, he wouldn't have found 2000 yr old stories convincing. Why should I?
azsuperman01 2 years ago
I suppose Thomas would have died and gone to hell had he not gotten to touch Jesus's wounds. As to why that was his opportunity, not available to modern man, I don't know. There are certain direct encounters, healings, revelations, visions etc,... which still occur today, but nothing as hard evidence as Thomas had. Its a good question which I have no satisfying answer to, but I will see if someone smarter than me knows the answer and return to it later.
TheConvenientLie 2 years ago
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you must understand that everything is for a purpose and we dont see Christ on here like the disciples did and don't you think that verse was meant to be there Thomas was meant to say that so that we can read it today because he said "Blessed are those who believe without seeing me"
prettyemofreak 2 years ago
lol so man failed again and how is this GOD's fault? Why is he bringing this up as it is like Thomas is a perfect man? didn't Juda's do the same and he betrayed Jesus didn't Peter do the same but deny Christ these are to show us that how we fall form the glory of GOD we are men we sin Yet Jesus is always Perfect Did thomas stay an unbeliever in fact he became a more of a believer when christ left did Peter keep denying Christ? no IN FACThe died for his name sake CHECKMATE !! :)
prettyemofreak 2 years ago
@prettyemofreak - The point isn't that Thomas converted, the point is that Thomas ONLY converted after he was given extraordinary evidence. If first-hand accounts from people who said they had seen Jesus themselves was not enough for Thomas, reading the stories in a 2000 year old book wouldn't have been enough either. Why doesn't God given modern doubters the same degree of evidence that he gave Thomas?
azsuperman01 2 years ago
You are not an Atheist by definition ,you are what is called agnostic (don't know) for if there is proof you would believe.
Thomas was not sure if Jesus was a ghost so he wanted to make sure.
God dose give proof if you have the Holy Spirit which to me is a more perfect evidence than to touch his body.
If you have never received the gift of the Holy Spirit ,then obey Acts 2:38 and you are promised it if done with genuine faith and belief!!! Heb 11:6
You are talking about the King ,bow down!!!
revelashaun68 2 years ago
Then he said to Thomas, Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Dont be faithless any longer. Believe! My Lord and my God! Thomas exclaimed. Then Jesus told him, You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.
chappachaddy 2 years ago
One of the twelve disciples, Thomas(nicknamed the Twin), was not with the others when Jesus came. They told him, We have seen the Lord! But he replied, I wont believe it unless I see the nail wounds in his hands, put my fingers into them, and place my hand into the wound in his side. Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. Peace be with you, he said.
chappachaddy 2 years ago
No one is perfect, even back then. Also we cant understand God's justice because we see it like "everyybody gets the same... thats not fair..." Pastors and Preachers dont convert people... God does. Any man cant make you believe, God changes your heart.
chappachaddy 2 years ago
well the new testement is writen for us. its a parable. another reason we cant judge or play God.
chappachaddy 2 years ago
Thomas would not be an atheist, but a Jew as he was. If you reread your Bible you will see, and hear(if you read aloud) how the disciples did not understand that Jesus was going to die on the cross and be resurrected. How do we know this truth? The disciples chose to die in terrible ways rather than just admit that Jesus was not resurrected. That is all they had to say, but they all know(I do mean KNOW) who Jesus is... you do not. Answer the door Jesus is knocking.
suedonimn 2 years ago
@suedonimn we all need 2 answer the door
chappachaddy 2 years ago
Homer from the Simpson's said God was a class act, and had good teeth...............Remember that one? I don't think it's true, imaginary friends don't have teeth.....................Class act? Well he sure liked killing people in the old testament!
bigboy45454545 2 years ago
you're confused man, there is no god, why worry about it, there is no hell either. good job, good choice B-U-R-N! B-U-R-N! B-U-R-N! hahahahaha....
jdizon09 2 years ago
God has given me the evidence. It is the possession of the Holy Spirit. No I can not prove it to you. If I could then everyone would believe and no need for this test of faith we experience on earth. "Why not the same evidence for all?", I dont know.
smitterxnn 2 years ago
God sent his son down to Earth to show everyone he did exist and to spread His love throught the nations and to save us. our ancestors chose to shun him instead. they chose to throw rocks at him, to spit on him, to kill him in the most humiliating and degrading way possible, because there was no way what he was saying was true. why would He do that again? He did before and no one believed him. why should God have to prove himself so he can "exist" in the minds of us insignificant humans?
kelcee47 2 years ago
@deathknight well, i'm not a christian but i'm a theist and there are more than a million proof for me to believe that there is a God. but i won't bother explaining even one proof to you because you're just a dick. and i read stuff for my own benefit, to acquire more knowledge, not to help stupid assholes like you to understand.
ponkadolz 2 years ago
The Bible is ancient nonsense. Have you actually read it? Savage stuff.
PleasePonderThis 2 years ago
He doesn't need to. The scientific evidence and testomonies of people are more than enough to proove God's existence and all the things that is written in th Bible. Thomas may have been the greatest skeptic of all time. Second would be Paul/Saul. That's why God let Jesus show himself to them, in Thomas' case he needed to touch because seeing is not enough for him. God also favored Thomas because he is a disciple of Jesus and did good things. The good, even though skeptic is still favored by God.
ponkadolz 2 years ago
scientific evidence ??? are you fucking kidding me?...
000DeathKnight000 2 years ago
hey, if i will deny the existence of god today, is there anything i have to expect after death?
jdizon09 2 years ago
i actually believe we have more evidence. yes, thomas walked and talked with him, felt his resurrected body. we can go look outside,at your own body in its amazing complexity, and see the creation. the bible says creation leaves us without excuse for not believing. we also have the whole bible so easily at our disposal. we have the countless christians who have experienced christ giving testimony, bearing witness to the gospels truth. please read romans 10:9 god bless
normaspleen 2 years ago
And Jesus said something along the lines, after the ordeal with St. Thomas, "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." St. Thomas is used as an example today of believing without seeing. We do not want to follow St. Thomas' example. Plus, St. Thomas was around when Jesus was too, so I guess it's just a perk of the deal of having Jesus actually there right next to you. God performs miracles today, but not to convert unbelief to belief. That is contradictory to what miracles are for.
orion7763 2 years ago
In other words, blind faith. Stupid. Why would you believe in something that has no evidence? Because your parents told you to? Cause they're the same people who probably told you to believe in Santa.
DbzmasterdbzNecross 2 years ago
Faith is not blind, in the same way as believing in the FSM. There is historical and scientific evidence to support the historicity of the person Jesus, there are modern day miracles that can't be explained by modern science, there is countless testimony in the Bible itself, and then there is the indelible mark Christianity has had on the world in the past 2,000 years. All in all, the jump from looking at what's present to actually believing it as true is not as big as one would think.
orion7763 2 years ago
orion-
*facepalm*
Flying Spaghetti Monster is a parody religion created to show that arguments for creationism are flawed because they can be applied for any god, even one that's made of pasta. But anyway, why aren't there any miracles that AREN'T medically impossible?
Someone regenerating an arm or floating into the heavens is a miracle.
Tumors go into remission. Cancer recedes. Diseases get fought off by the body. Things like that are NOT miracles, they are fortunate events.
DbzmasterdbzNecross 2 years ago
I know what the FSM is. I also don't know what you mean by "why aren't there any miracles that aren't impossible." Way too many negatives in there. I realize that people can overcome cancer, that tumors can go away, and that the body can fight disease. Medical miracles are tricky because it is most likely, like you said, a fortunate event. But I am talking about the most serious and extreme cases. And of the many thousands of miracles that Vatican has recorded, not all are medical mysteries.
orion7763 2 years ago
orion-
What I mean is that most "miracles" are simply very unlikely occurrences, as opposed to things that are impossible. Why does an all powerful god want to keep us in suspense by throwing around a cheap, unnoticeable miracle here and there, rather than regenerate someone's arm or something?
DbzmasterdbzNecross 2 years ago
God never meant to throw us into suspense or anything. Miracles themselves were never meant as a tool for conversions. Even in the Bible, Jesus himself turns down opportunities to do a miracle to convert people. Miracles rather fulfill a religious purpose. To count a miracle, they cannot be merely oddities but must be in a very religious setting. Miracles though cannot be used as "proof." To believe a miracle implies religious belief in God, which is not a good proof, but can be good support.
orion7763 2 years ago
name a few countless miracles in the past 10 years? With proof
ezyreap 2 years ago 5
Well I mean I don't go searching all the time for what miracles have happened, it's not like those things make the news or anything like that. But genuine miracles are a prerequisite for the very stringent guidelines the Church has to become a saint. Look up Padre Pio, he's good for this. Some miracles for sainthood the Church accepts are medical, levitation, stigmata, incorruptible, good odor after death, liquefaction, bilocation, etc. In 2002 Mother Teresa got a miracle to her name.
orion7763 2 years ago
@ezyreap David Blaine.. he owns jesus.. ex. Jesus turned water to wine.. Blaine (an illusionist) turned hot coffee to money.. Jesus walks on water.. Blaine levitates on land.. I mean the man has me stumped with some of his tricks and this is 2010 imagine 2000 years ago when people believed the world was flat and you could fall off. He even takes it to the extremes.. performing for people with little to no official language. It's like a time machine + magic
Kronnikx 1 year ago 2
prove it without the bible
ezyreap 2 years ago
without the bible!?!? he is using the bible to ask questions. and you want us to defend our faith without it? lol your just retarded. thats like me saying, 2+2 = 7 and you aren't allowed to use a math book, calculator, or any scientific tool to prove me wrong. and about the movie, thats why the gospel of thomas isn't in the bible. Thomas was also beloved. God has favorites believe it or not, he states this in the bible
chilly444 2 years ago
You can't use the bible to prove Christianity. That's called a circular arguement. "I'm right because my scriptures say so" It's entirely baseless.
Ravenshadeoux 2 years ago
THE BIBLE ITSELF SAYS THAT THE CREATION ITSELF IS ENOUGH TO SHOW US HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GLORY. SEEING THAT PEOPLE STILL DENY HIM. "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him" ROMANS 1:20-21
omoreno1204 2 years ago
Thomas was simply fortunate enough to be one of the lords faithful apostles. That is why he was blessed to see the lord risen. That is what i believe anyway.
holyfreeholy 2 years ago
Answer to this "tough question" is:
God has mercy on whomever he wills, therefore he allowed Thomas (and many others to believe), and leaves others to their sin, and then punishes them for it.
TerrenceTheodore 2 years ago
Fuck Beans!!! If god exsists...he's an asshole. What an errogant fucker! I mean isn't just being a god good enough? NOOOO!!! He has to create an entire world full of people to kiss his ass! Lets us have the "free will" to choose not to kiss his ass and then burns us FOREVER! That's not what bothers me! It's that that's ok with people who believ in him! That everyone that doesn't shut off their intelect and just believe will be fucking burned as if was a good thing!!! FUCK!!!!
Mikedogg13666 2 years ago
We have to pay for breaking the law. If a local crime was commited, we would pay a local penalty. If a crime was done against the state, or federal gov't, we would be punished accordingly. Since our crime was done against Eternal God, we will be punished eternally! HELLO! You choose to sin. You chose to rebel. You chose to spend eternity in hell. JESUS-THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIGHT!
MrNocompromise 2 years ago
Well, the thing is...
He doesn't give us any chance whatsoever to learn our lesson.
We see the world as a natural place, and then get sent to burn in hell forever?
Science has provided us more proof of existance than the Bible, and yet God expects us to believe in him based upon faith?
I smell BS.
Noxcer 2 years ago
Basically you're saying that God's "choice" for us is :
Either choose to reject your intelligence, that was given to us BY God, or roast in hell forever.
Your God is a real sick joker isnt he? He is Evil. Or would be if he existed, which he does not.
Ayatron34 2 years ago
Ayatron34 , this asshole is a faggoty African BLACK ! !
6676plentybody 2 years ago
1.Thomas was NOT sittin around n talking w/Jesus, with doubt of who Jesus was. Bible doesnt say that. It says that the men were in the house N Jesus appeared 2 them, but thomas doubted. Jesus told him 2 check scars, but thomas w/out touching, said,"My Lord, and My God!"2. Thomas would Not have gone to hell because he was ALREADY saved. All the disciples were already saved except Judas. 3. Why u would go 2 hell, you ask? Because we ALL are sinners! Broken Gods command! It was a CRIME done 2 God..
MrNocompromise 2 years ago
Well, your question is self-sufficient answered in your own words, in a video before this.
"OH, OH I DON'T THINK GOD CAN DEFEND HIMSELF NO MORE"
"OH OH GOD IS EVIL EVERYTHING HE DOES IS EVIL"
Knowing the fact that you will still not repent nor serve Him even if you saw Him is more than enough proof why God doesn't demonstrate himself with hardly any athiest.
annointedone7373 2 years ago
Notice that Thomas obeyed God. Same with Paul, they OBEYED God they were thankful even through tribulations were as you would complain
"Why you let me have problems GOd, this is all your fault"
Paul would be thankful, you would complain and doubt God's loyalty. That's the difference. If you truly seek you should find, yet you have not found God, because you're not looking for HIm, nor his justice.
annointedone7373 2 years ago
Oh yeah by the way God will give you a sign so like that hardly any athiest will have an excuse, and since you like using the bible so much in your "Tough (Foolish) Questions" I might as well do so myself, for 3.5 years God will hit this world with plagues and will you repent? No! You will blaspheme God, who has power over all those plagues.
annointedone7373 2 years ago
watch?v=7oe4PokAa6U
annointedone7373 2 years ago
I agree because even if I were to see proof of God now he would be no god mine
LinkHyrulien 2 years ago
Hey at least your honest. Thank you I appreciate that. That's the reason God doesn't reveal himself to athiests it will be in vain.
annointedone7373 2 years ago
Lets not underestimate the Power of Faith
You seek to SEE so that you can
BELIEVE, but God doesn't work that way
you must believe so that you can see.
would hold your breath until you were able
to SEE the air that gives you life?
twinklefluff1 2 years ago
Good question it actually made me think and organize the few things I know about God, but I found it In the experiences of my family and friends, people asked, with their hearth for a proof of Gods existence, and He gaveem that proof, Considering they made it in a very deep depression and stressful situations, such as death menaces or desperating economic troubles, why would they invent such a lie?, dont expect for proofs of a HUGE dimension, God preffers the simple things.
dronokan 2 years ago
BAM!!!!
SeeMattGo 2 years ago
There is also the case of Paul who was persecuting Christians and saw a vision of Jesus and bright light, and then experienced temporary blindness, etc. Of course there is a form of seizures where a person can have delusion, see light, go blind, etc. So can be rationally explained today.
hydrolito 2 years ago
Thomas was alive the same time as Jesus that is why he got to touch him but as you know jesus died therefore he is with us in spirit do