does this video exist with simplified-chinese suubtitles. i would like to share it with friends i have in china by sending it directly to them. i would appreciate anyone who could provide information on where i might find such a version.
The Chinese Govt. and the elitist who control them are afraid of people claiming their power and waking to the truth of the massive brain washing, manipulation and control' they've been implementing world wide for decades. If we all don't wake up, we can also be in for the same type of treatment in the near future. My prayers go out to all the courageous souls in China. They're leading the worldwide rebellion as the masses awaken to the truth!!!!
This doesn't seem like "propaganda" to me. I can't imagine why anyone would be afraid of those people, but apparently the Chinese government is afraid.
I have already shown a lot of evidences proving, that Chinese government is violating all the human rights of Falun Dafa practitioners, and also of another groups. Falun dafa is a practice of Buddha school, based on Truthfulness-Campassion-tolerance. Chinese government arrests people with out trial, commits tortures, Kills inocents and sells theire organs in the black market.Who is evil? What is good, and what is evil for you? Who is lieing?
Torturing and murdering the groups that CCP is afraid of,using the midia to demonize the these groups so as to have popular support, Burning Books which are diferent from the CCPs crazy ideology, and considering people who criticizes the government as criminals, are what this wicked party have been doing since it was created.
this is so wrong and quite sinister thanks for getting this information out , It is horrible that this is happening at all I just can't describe the sorrow i feel for these victims of an Evil Government!!
Calm down man...you are paranoid just like youon...I Don't have political leader as you say, and I can't delet youtube comments, and I don't whant to control youtube. I'm just exposing the lies that Chinese government say against Falun Dafa. You are only repeating what other people told you, and I'm sure you have never read the Falun Dafa books. You are only repeating what youon had said before, so I won't answer again the same thing, Go back and read what I told him.
see, you and your political leader control the youtube forum and delete the objectors comments because you all afraid of someone like us speak up against the FLG might overturn your FLG propaganda, it is again proving your FLG is lie, you can control some posts, we can make up the video against the stupid FLG cult too, hope to see you FLG being vanished as soon as possible~~
In 1999 there were 100 million people practicing Falun Gong in China, more than there were members of the CCP and many CCP members were practicing Falun Gong. The head of the ccp at the time, jiang zemin became intensely jealous over this and began the persecution that used the entire nations political and economic resources. It just boils down to typical evil communism in the end.
Thanks very much that is very very ridiculous!!!! Why be jealous over this when it can do nothing but help your well being??? Sounds like just laziness and ignorance which equals evil!!!
nice healthy organs too,top dollar...make cash out of subverting basic rights,always stereotyped as top traders the chinese..they arnt doing anything to bust that stereotype....boycott the bastards.
Those groups that defy the control of the Religious Affairs Bureau face severe consequences: mass campaigns, surprise raids, imposition of heavy fines, imprisonment, and torture."
This information doesn't come from Falun Dafa practitioners, but from Catholics inside China. Is this the freedom of religious beliefs in China you've talked about?
see, you and your political leader control the youtube forum and delete the objectors comments because you all afraid of someone like us speak up against the FLG might overturn your FLG propaganda, it is again proving your FLG is lie, you can control some posts, we can make up the video against the stupid FLG cult too, hope to see you FLG being vanished as soon as possible~~
It also seeks to stamp out those religious activities that are not government-sanctioned. The Chinese State Council's Religious Affairs Bureau screens religious groups for official approval or disapproval, monitors membership in religious organizations, and controls locations of meetings, religious training, selection of religious hierarchy, publication of religious materials, and funding for religious activities.
The Chinese Government severely and systematically persecutes members of China's spiritual communities, including Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims, and members of the Falun Gong movement."
State Control of Religion in China "The Chinese Government views religion as a threat to its power. As a result, it restricts religious activities to government-sanctioned organizations and registered places of worship.
Is to Promote the Roman Catholic Church in China,Now Under Persecution...,
" The promise of religious freedom in China is a false one. Despite the Chinese Government's ratification of several human rights treaties, its stated adherence to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and a provision in the Chinese Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion and belief, China continues to commit serious violations of religious freedom and belief.
The Chinese Government views religion as a threat to its power. As a result, it restricts religious activities to government-sanctioned organizations and registered places of worship.
About what you said before...come on...everybodhy knows the history of Chinese comunism...the young chinese people don't care about it because theire life is more confortable now, and they dont't whant to worry about anything...but everybody outside china remember what CCP has made against the students in tianamen massacre, and a lot of people know what's happening to Falun dafa practitioners...If I say it in China I will probably be arrestes or sent to a forced labor camp, or even killed
OK so you realy belive the after you read Zhuan Falun for seve hours, a Falun Dafa practitioners can control your mind even if you don't want to listen... so it's not a very strong mind, is it? If I don't whant to listen to what people are saying or reading, I just go to another place. But if people were able to read for 7 hours straight, this book must be realy good. And in fact it's very interesting. But people who don't enjoy it just stop reading it, is that simple.
most people in china (including yourself) dont know the facts because they are filtered by the media. your media outlets are not credible because the ccp decides what gets reported and how. please argue this point.
Please man...all media are filtered by it's governments, if your the person who believes that your country is telling you the true then you are Blind as a Fool.
wow. i asked nicely for you to stop calling me stupid. its not "my flg." im not an flg practicioner. and im not swearing either! what is your problem, man? discuss willingly? your not interested in discussion. your mind is already made up anyway. thats why i asked nicely for you to just drop it.
And what is Chinadaily...isn't it controlled by the governments censorship... How can you trust in this..."China's leaders have some tough measures in place. It's illegal to criticize the government or the political system"...So how could chinadaily show news criticizing CCP...epoch times is not a trustfull source for you but china daily is, It's crazy!
Of corse the hospital will say the accusations are lies. Imagine the director of the hospital saying: Yes, it's truth, we have harvest a lot of organs from Falun Dafa practitoners, and also recived a lot of money. They are very healthy, so their organs are very good.You can recive your organ in only one week, because we are the number 1 in harvesting organs from Falun dafa practitioners!
Actualy it's far beyond cientific understanding. And it also doesn't justify, to kill Falun Dafa practitioners and harvest their organs. Would you go to a Budhist monk and say -you are a lier your beliefs are not cientific! If you don't want to belive in Falun Dafa or in noncientific things it's your own problem, but a lot of people do and the very powerful health benefits of Falun Dafa have already been proved by cience many times.
Are you crazy?these things you said are absurd.Chinese government fear so much that people discover the truth about CCPs crimes that it invented these kind of lies.if it wasn't a so serious thing I would laugh. About what master Li teaches,whats the problem? he's not a cientist,why should he folow the cience? He's a qigong master he teaches Budha cultivation, it's not cience, and it mustn't be criticiZed by cience.
" You should pay attention to moral character cultivation an practice cultivation according to the characteristic of the universe, truthfulness-compassion-tolerance. You must completely dispose of desires of ordinary people, immoral thoughts, and intention of wrong doing"( Zhuan Falun ). Is it evil? who is lying? who is killing and torturing? what is good and what is evil?
CCP controls the camunication ways and uses it's propaganda agency to fabricate lies against it's enemys, why wouldn't it fabricate lies against falun Dafa? Now take a look at Falun Dafa, It's a cultivation way of budhahood, and in it's books the teacher tell his students to cultivate virtue and give up human atachments,
If you belive in Falun Dafa or in CCP, is your own problem, but there is no reason for these bloody persecution! nothing justify it.
Look to the history of CCP .you will find a lot of lies, violence, corruption and crimes. Why would it act diferent only with Falun Dafa. CCP have tortured persecuted and murdered a lot of people, why do you think it's impossible to be hapening with Falun Dafa practitioners to?
Falun Dafa is being persecuted by a political party CCP. So if the practitioners protest aginst the persecution and the tortures and murders commited by CCP, People will say Falun Dafa is geting involved in politics...OK if you whant to say it go ahead. Falun Dafa practitioners are asking for theyre human rights, it's the most important thing. Falun Dafa practitioners just whant to say to Chinese people that Falun Dafa is good. a lot of people have already recognized it.
please dont assume that you know my level of intelligence. i have studied your culture for years, and i can speak your language. i dont really see the point of corresponding with you, because you sound rather fanatic. please respect this and don't bother replying. you are entitled to your point of view, though i simply can't agree. no hard feelings, then.
i don't need to calm down. im very calm. and im not blind. not blind enough to overlook blatant human rights violations by a government that is not held responsible to its own people. AND I AM NOT FLG, JUST A PERSON WHO BELIEVES IN THE VALUE OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. I also love China, and its people and culture. But human rights come first, always.
and i never claimed to be a china expert, or a representative of the Chinese. simply put, my opinion (and you are entitled to your own) is that people should be allowed to believe whatever they choose, and no GOVERNMENT should have the power to meddle in people's beliefs. that is simply not the business of government. (MY OPINION)
you're full of shit, youon99. why shouldn't falun gong practitioners have an outlet that lets them communicate what is happening to them? do you really deny what is happening? why are you so unwilling to believe that these people are being wrongly persecuted? and where exactly do you stand on human rights issues?
If CCP didn't control the media, and let falun Dafa practitoner defend them selves from the false allegatiots against them publcly, it would not be necessary. And it also doesn't justify the terrible crimes against FALUN DAFA practitioners, commited by CCP.
But in china people doesn't have the freedom to choose as the government manipulates the midia, and spread only lies about falun Dafa being an evil cult. That thing you said...about the lawyers in a mental breakdown after reading falun gongs bible is crazy, whats your problem? there is no bible in falun gong, the pincipal book is zhuan falun and it's very diferent from the bible, I belive you haven't read any of the two.
If you don't want to watch NTDTV you are free to change the channel, and if you don't whant to read epoch times, you can throw it in the garbage. But FALUN DAFA practitioners are not affiliated to anybodhy, there is not an institution or organization. Some practitioners belived that it would be a good chance to make more people know what chinese goverment do and hide from the world.
Some things you said are truth, but some things are not. It's truth that a lot of FALUN DAFA practitioners, uses newspapers, television and flyers to denounce the crimes comited by CCP against FALUN DAFA practitioners. it's also truth that a NTDTV and epoch times shows a lot of informations about, Falun dafa persecution in China. And in my opinion there is nothing wrong with this...they are free to show it if they want...the people can read epoch times or watch NTDTV as they whant, or not.
Despite a certain economic liberalisation of the media sector, Xinhua remains the voice of the sole party. Hand-picked journalists, who are regularly indoctrinated, produce reports for the Chinese media that give the official point of view and others - classified "internal reference" for the country's leaders...
You see? CPP lies to the people, violates human rights, persecutes religious groups, and kills inocent people. Falun gong is a spiritual practice of Budha school..who is evil?
With the help of former French journalist on Xinhua, Reporters Without Borders exposes the distortion of facts, hatred for its enemies (particularly the United States and Japan) and its support, through the treatment of international news, for the world's worst regimes.
On the eve of the 56th anniversary of the People's Republic of China, Reporters Without Borders releases a report of an investigation into the role of the news agency Xinhua News Agency in the system of propaganda and censorship put in place by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
Ysay everithing CCP does, as it's being done by falun gong....a lot of people know Chinese government kills inocent people, controls the midia, and persecutes spiritual groups wich are not santioned b the government...you live in China, so you just see what your government whant you to see. Aren't the sites in internet wich criticizes the government blocked in China?
And there is another Thing...a lot of people know that the Chinese midia is contrlloed by CCP."Communist authorities have utilized the state-run media in China to create a barrage of fabricated news stories aimed at demonizing Falun Gong. Many violent crimes committed by people with no connection to Falun Gong were re-written in state-run media to frame Falun Gong practitioners as dangerous or worse. Much of this hate propaganda has found its way into Western media reports."
So what's the diferences between you and me... I am free to choose If belive in Falun gong or in CCP, ad also to leave it if i whantIf I started practing falun Gong alone, and it's being very positive to my life...you say you are chinese , but everybody knows, chinese government have a history of human rights violation. Just remember cultural revolutin and the tiananmen massacre of students. Falun Gong persecution isn't so diferent from the crimes CCP have been commiting against human Rights
youon, you think that anybody who belive in falun gong are nonsenses, and you also think that all falun gong practitioners are brain washedand work for Falun Dafa I and many other people also figth for the human rigths, but i belive that when you say "not even a single HK and Chinese support for Falun Gong a" you are being to Absolutist. There are a large number of Chinese people who belive in Falun Gong, and it's being practiced in more than 80 countries by more than 100 million people.
Youon, Chinese government is not persecuting only Falun Dafa, but other China's spiritual communities, including Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims. A lot of seriously and copetent people in diferent countries have recognized the persecution of Falun Dafa practitioners as truth. Chinese government tries to deny every evidence of it's crimes, saying it's all false and using it's propaganda to distort the informations against it.
and there are also a lot of people who are not Falun Dafa practitioners who are exposing the CCP crimes against them. Falun Dafa persecution is only one of the evil acts of CCP against human rights
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I think your informations are wrong. Falun dafa is Being practiced in more than 80 countries and by more than 100 million people.
but saying it's a political cult, and that a supervisor pay me to talk to you in youtube, is crazy. I'm Just showing you a lot of proofs that Chinese government is commiting terrible crimes against good people.This information are available for everybody in a lot of sources, in books, newspapers, sites, videos, magazines. there are a lot of videos avaiable on youtube to.
What you call a political is the attempt of practitioners To clarify the truth and expose the persecution so that the government take a providence. If you want to call the act of requiring the authorities to take a provision to stop the persecution, tortures and killing of Falun Dafa practitioners, OK, go ahead. and if you whant to call practice of qi gong and cultivation of Budha natura a cult, OK, go ahead to.
Cult supervisor? political cult? dominate the youtube? what kind of poison CCP propaganda has put in your mind? you are becaming crazy and paranoid. You can download all the Falun Dafa books for free in the oficial site. just read them, and i'm sure you will change your opinion. Falun Dafa is good. A huge number of people have already benefited from this practice. it's not a job and it has no supervisor.
the People's Great Hall. If they were to have dashed over there to get the equipment, it would have been too late." Is it even possible that the police could have responded with not one but four fire extinguishers within the space of a minute if they didn't have prior knowledge that this was going to occur?
Xinhua News Agency claims that within a minute of the man setting himself ablaze, police had dashed over to him with four fire extinguishers and quickly put out the flames. A European journalist based in Beijing, however, told us: "I have never seen policemen patrolling on Tiananmen Square carrying fire extinguishers. How come they all showed up today? The location of the incident is at least 20 minutes roundtrip from the nearest building —
The regime points to a supposed self-immolation incident in Tiananmen Square on January 23, 2001 as proof that Falun Gong is an "evil cult". However, we have obtained a video of that incident that in our view proves that this event was staged by the government. We have copies of that video available for distribution.
Statement in the United Nations (Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights
Falun Dafa cultivates life, How could it's practitioners commit suicide? They would be acting against falun Dafa principles. Master Li also says that killing is the worst sin. There are proofs that the people who immolate themselves were not falun dafa practitionersn and the self immolation was a lie made up by CCP to make people belive Falun dafa is not good.
As the number of practitioner became larger than the number of CCP members, Jiang Zemin became fearfull and started to promote a propganda against falun gong, and spread lies saying it's an evil cult. Master Li Hongzhi's teachings are based on trthfulness compassion and tolerance. You can search in all his books and you won't find about practitioners immolating themselves.
Falun Dafa is a good practice. It's being practiced in more than 80 countries by more than 100.000.000 people. Many country leaders have recognized all the great benefits of this cultiovation practice to society, and even created a national Falun Dafa Day. Only in china falun dafa practitioners are being persecuted, arrested, tortured and killed, only for practicing exercices and studing.
Falun Dafa is not against China, it's only against the crimes Chinese government is commiting against Falun Dafa practitioners. To be against the crimes tha CCP is commiting against human rights is not to be against China. CCP is violating Chinas constitution. It sweared that it would stop the human rights abuses before the olimpics, but in fact it became worse. Who is evil, who is torturing, who is killing? being against murdering isn't being against China, understand it!
Falun's idea is against China,make all the bad influence to China,try to make people have a bad impression about China,It's a anti nation organization,very bad,very evil!!
The promise of religious freedom in China is a false one. Despite the Chinese Government's ratification of several human rights treaties, its stated adherence to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and a provision in the Chinese Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion and belief, China continues to commit serious violations of religious freedom and belief.
Currently, Falun Dafa is being practiced in more than 80 countries by more than 100 million people of different racial and ethnic groups. Only in China Falun Dafa is prohibited and the practitioners are being persecuted tortured and killed. Many countries have already recognized that the Falun Dafa is benefiting the society and even paid tributes creating a national day of Falun Dafa
Currently, Falun Dafa is being practiced in more than 80 countries by more than 100 million people of different racial and ethnic groups. Only in China Falun Dafa is prohibited and the practitioners are being persecuted tortured and killed. Many countries have already recognized that the Falun Dafa is benefiting the company and even paid tributes creating a national day of Falun Dafa.
If master Li had any kind of racism or prejudice, he would not have teached Falun Dafa to all the world. He said he's not against anyone who wants learn it.
To everyone: DON'T take my word for what's happening in the world. But nothing is black & white. History has shown us that what is right may not be right, what is wrong may not be wrong.
Rosa Park was jailed for refusing to give up her seat. Was that right or wrong? MLK was assassinated for his movement. Was that right or wrong? Educate yourself and determine what is the real truth. youon99 could be right, I could be wrong. I could be right, youon99 could be right.
This is such a fine example for you to say against China too~ the group of people only believe in what silverylotus said are FLG members, you are representative of the FLG, so in your eye everybody not believe in FLG are nonsenses, of course all other 100+ countries in the world are believe in justice, so that's why many people around the world keep exposing the fake of FLG, not only Chinese.i am already here in China, you are not , Kudos to you!!
This is such a fine example for you to say against China too~ the group of people only believe in what silverylotus said are FLG members, you are representative of the FLG, so in your eye everybody not believe in FLG are nonsenses, of course all other 100+ countries in the world are believe in justice, so that's why many people around the world keep exposing the fake of FLG, not only Chinese.i am already here in China, you are not , Kudos to you!!
this is such a fine example for you to say against China too~ the group of people only believe in what silverylotus said are FLG members, you are representative of the FLG, so in your eye everybody not believe in FLG are nonsenses, of course all other 100+ countries in the world are believe in justice, so that's why many people around the world keep exposing the fake of FLG, not only Chinese.i am already here in China, you are not , Kudos to you!!
you decline everyone to reply your comments, what's your plot?
i think you FLG memeber are so afraid of me to exposing the fake of FLG, see, they block my comments in youtube forum, because they afraid of somebody like us to overturn the Falun Gong propagenda~
Such are such a fine example to represent what the CCP is all about. Please to those reading these comments, only believe what youon99 say because, whoa, he/she is truly raised by the CCP! So right, all the Chinese in the world outside of CCP has no brain of his own. All other 100+ countries all are BS because only people like you has brains to see it all. Don't waste time here! You need to go out there & be a fine example of a true CCP follower!! Kudos to you!!
this is such a fine example for you to say against China too~ the group of people only believe in what silverylotus said are FLG members, you are representative of the FLG, so in your eye everybody not believe in FLG are nonsenses, of course all other 100+ countries in the world are believe in justice, so that's why many people around the world keep exposing the fake of FLG, not only Chinese.i am already here in China, you are not , Kudos to you!!
Such are such a fine example to represent what the CCP is all about. Please to those reading these comments, only believe what youon99 say because, whoa, he/she is truly raised by the CCP! So right, all the Chinese in the world outside of CCP has no brain of his own. All other 100+ countries all are BS because only people like you who has brain to see it all. Don't waste time here! You need to go out there & be a fine example of a true CCP follower!! Kudos to you!!
China has existed for 2000+ years. CCP is prosecuting FLG, NOT China. China is great for its people, not for the CCP. If you disagree, go buy a one-way ticket to China & live in its "harmonious & prosperous" government. Why bother staying in the US? FLG started in China 1992 and was widely welcomed & practiced for 7 years before the ban. So either CCP is really dumb to take this long to figure out it is a "cult" or it is scared because its members are being outnumbered.
I am a Chinese living in China, i know what is happening inside my country, the Falun Gong leader incite his believers to immolate themselve, many practitioners are being brainwashed and causes spiritual collapse, there are many evidences of (self-incineration) to show the Falun Gong believers in China persecuted by Falun Gong, in 25/4/1999, Falun Gong summoned ten thousand believers to overturn the Chinese government in Beijing. that's why CCP forbids them & we called them "The Chaos Makers"
you live in US, it's so clear about the situation here, all the Chinese in the world are against the FLG, and all the foreigners & Outsider like you are defending for FLG, (please review the comment history) , so that what i mean you all are trying to be China expert by using your tactics, you have no contribution to the Chinese community at all, what you can do is only Talk without any action
CCP is our government leading us to the success, without CCP, China is uncontrollable, the US has already has the "political interfering habit & trying to conquer the media war " US try to knock down all their competitors by using the similar tool to divide us, and even depress the reputation of China in the world-wide platform, that's what i mean the "plot" but FLG is failed already~
No, they are exposing the human rights abuses done by the CCP. Chinese people are very intelligent. Without the CCP, You can be sure China woul be much more successful. You think that by committing so much crimes and abusing so much rights, not respecting your own laws can create a "harmonious society"?
The banning of Falun Gong, not even considering the brutal torture and killings of practitioners, is completely illegal, according to chinese laws and the chinese constitution. 10 000 people at Zhongnanhai was completely peaceful and in comformity with chinese laws. I dont pretend to be anything. Look inside yourself.
My whole life? Who is posting comments on every single Falun Gong video? Plus, I practice Falun Gong, so its normal for me to truthfully defend my rights and my practice that I believe to be good and beneficial for me. I dont stand for lies said about Falun Gong. What is your interest in spending hours posting comments about Falun Gong? The CCP has done good to China you think? Falun Gong practitioners have not broken any law.
Everybody Who criticizes CCP is Anti-China/CCP and involved in politics, even when they are defending human rights, or denouncing the CCPs crimes against chinese people. CPC even whant to choose the successor of the Dalai Lama. Now the CPC must approve all Buddhist spiritual leaders known as Lamas. For centuries the search for reicarnations of lamas including Tibet's spiritual leader the Dalai Lama is being done by Tibetan monks. Now CCO rules the spiritual world to. It's absurd
Thats really not how things happened my friend. Falun Gong was absolutely not political. What you call "political", you are referring to people defending their rights under chinese laws and the chinese constitution that are not respected by the CCP. Falun Gong was banned following what happened at Zhongnanhai on April 25th... There was nothing political about that. I dont know where you get these ideas about "Anti-China", if not from CCP propaganda...
I didn't say reigion is prohibited in China....people can practice their religion freely....if it is one of the government-sanctioned churches affiliated with the CCP. They might even build huge churches and temples if you accept their rules, and play their game.
China continues to commit serious violations of religious freedom and belief. The Chinese Government severely and systematically persecutes members of China's spiritual communities, including Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims and Falun Gong practitioners.
Wrong! It depends how these religious groups react to CCP's ruling power. I have been a Roman Catholics all my life. The government actually built a church about 400 feet from my home after the Culture Revolution. There are millions of Roman Catholics like me in China, and my church was never persecuted since we didn't have any political agenda.
To my understanding, the CCP's view of "getting political" is too general, which would be alright if they didnt associate that much of a negative connotation to it. House church members are persecuted, the CCP decides who is the reincarnation of Buddha, for Tibetan buddhists. The problem is the CCP wants to be above God, which is why it creates huge social problems.
"The Catholic Church in China, therefore, has two faces: the government-sanctioned Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association (CCPA) and the underground Roman Catholic Church. The Chinese Government officially permits only those Catholic churches affiliated with the CCPA. The CCPA takes its orders only from the State Council's Religious Affairs Bureau. It does not recognize the supreme administrative, legislative, and judicial authority of the Pope"
Falun Gong didn't agree to become government-sanctioned practice and being subject to the control of government. Jiang Zemin also used the persecution to gain popularity and Public support, like in a Mao style.
Before the 1999 Falun Gong was praised by the government. Were Falun Gong "against" communism or the Government, this would mean that millions of practitioners were "against" themselves: millions of practitioners were Chinese Communist Party members before the ban, and this includes many high-ranking officials.
I believe most of practitioners have no political agenda, but what about people like Li HongZhi who claimed "I can guide or stop an incident with my conscience." while being interview by Time Magazine. Right before 10+k FLG follower surrounding ZhongNanHai, Li denied he was in China. However, evidence proved he lied. Right after the crackdown, a FLG spokeswoman in SF denied their practice had anything to do with religion and were well organized. They lied again.
Li Hongzhi has no political agenda. You can clearly see that in his teachings and his actions. I think you are misinterpreting what may be defense of human rights and saving lives with politics and greed for power.
Li Hongzhi is the master who teached the practice to the public, he is not a revolutionary leader, and there is no such hirarchy, only teacher and students. Falun Gong is being persecuted. Did you You accuse Falun gong to control the media? Man, just look at CCP media propaganda, it's also arresting reporters who criticizes the government, look at the internet sites blocked, look at the comunication ways manipulation
Here are some of crap Li said "in the present world, only I preach the true law", "I have made available a ladder for people to climb up to Heaven", "if I can not help you, then nobody can help you.".
These epitomize the typical characteristics of a cult leader. FLG is definitely not a regular Qi Gong group that we see, but a religion related group which they once denied. FLG can't control the media, but they use mixed of facts and fabrications in order to achieve their political agenda like the CCP, so the way that FLG disseminates propaganda is very similar to the CCP.
These epitomize the typical characteristics of a cult leader. FLG is definitely not a regular Qi Gong group that we see, but a religion related group which they once denied. FLG can't control the media, but they use mixed of facts and fabrications in order to achieve their political agenda like the CCP, so the way that FLG disseminates propaganda is very similar to the CCP.
Then who the fuck is Lee HongZhi? He is a god figure in the cult. A lot of FLG practitioners in another forum believes he is the resurrection of the Buddha and got supernatural power.
Amnesty international estimates the number of executions between 2,000 and 10,000 per year. This would almost match with the numbers of transplantation, but it does not explain that all death row candidates match with the blood types and tissue factors of the recipients. In order to provide all the recipients with an transplant the projected number of organ donors must be even higher than the actual number of transplantations
Some experts estimate that over 90 percent of organ transplants in China come from prisoners. Chinese transplant physician, Dr. Zhonghua Chen, said at a conference in Boston in July that Chinese doctors had transplanted 8,102 kidneys, 3,741 livers and 80 hearts in 2005, reported the Los Angeles Times. With a small amount of freely donated organs, and a constant number of executions per year the unexplained gap between supply and demand raises the question: where do all the organs come from?
Not only Falun Gong practitioners are being persecuted in China, but oher groups like, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims, reporters and human rights activists. If CCp stoped persecuting and killing this people nobody would say anything against it.
It's the most absurd comment I've ever heard. There are no leaders or elit in Falun Gong. The practitioners didn't knock on the prisons door and asked to be arrested nor asked "please kill me and torture me, take my organs to sell" They were illegally arrested while practiced in public and denounced the persecution
Just as the Arabs keep Palestinian refugees in camps for international sympathy, and how Tajistan lets Islamic terrorists bomb them for international sympathy, so are the Falun Gong top leaders using innocent Falun Gong practitioners as pawns that will provoke sympathy from within prison cells and in front of firing squads.
Most of the people in Falun Gong really believe in the faith, but they are just being used by the Falun Gong elite, who deliberately send off Falun Gong martyrs to get themselves into prison cells to create INTERNATIONAL SYMPATHY.
Most of the people in Falun Gong really believe in the faith, but they are just being used by the Falun Gong elite, who deliberately send off Falun Gong martyrs to get themselves into prison cells to create INTERNATIONAL SYMPATHY. Falun Gong is a great belief, it's just that it's been used as a weapon against the CCP by the corrupt top leaders.
topjimmy72, go grab a copy of The Epoch Times, and open it up and read it. Then compare it to a copy of the China Daily. Which one is more biased? The Epoch Times is run internationally by Falun Gong exiles. I don't know where they got the cash to give away free newspapers all over the world though. Maybe because the Falun Gong elite are RICH.
"Apart from a small portion of traffic victims, most of the organs from cadavers are from executed prisoners. ... The current organ donation shortfall can't meet demand." (China Daily newspaper)
Traditionally, Chinese, as well as other Asians, are reluctant to donate organs for transplantation purposes. In accordance with this tendency Vice Health Minister Huang Jiefu admitted at a summit for transplant doctors held in Guangzhou in November 2006 that the communist government was torturing prisoners, executing them and trafficking in their body parts.
There are a lot of Falun Gong practitioners living inside China. You don't see them very much because when they show themselves they are quickly arrested. But you may find a lot of them in Chinas Black jails.
It may be better or not, it doesn't metter to me, I'm not comparing which is better or worse. I've already showed to you a lot of proofs, not given only by Falun Gong practitioners, But by human rights defenders, reporters, government authoritys and other persecuted groups.
If the CCP falls, China will continue to exist. But the CCP is trying to save itself by saying that any attack on the CCP is an attack on China, thus making itself infallable in the eyes of Chinese people like yourself. But hopefully someday you'll break free of the shackles of CCP brainwashing you seem to have been indoctrinated with and come to fully understand this point. I wish you luck.
See again.. you believe that calling out the CCP for its human rights abuses is tantamount to defaming China. The behavior you're displaying is typical of mainland Chinese who have not yet recognized that the CCP does not equal China. The CCP has ruled China for a mere 50+ years. Compared to past dynasties, that's quite insignificant.
If the CCP falls, China will continue to exist. But the CCP is trying to save itself by saying that any attack on the CCP is an attack on China, thus making itself infallable in the eyes of Chinese people like yourself.
You're so out of your league it's frightening. Stop acting as a CCP mouthpiece spreading lies and disinformation and start opening your eyes to the reality that's occuring in China and elsewhere. Your own defectors (including Chinese diplomats - i.e. Chen Yonglin) even admit that the Falun Gong persecution is real and that as members of the Chinese government they were asked to actively participate in the persecution.
Youon...haow can you defend these crimes...don't you care about human rights and freedom of your own people? What is your spiritual beliefs or philosophy? I believe that nobody agrees with the crimes against the practitioners of Falun Dafa nor with the crimes against religions that are happening in China.
"Youon...haow can you defend these crimes...don't you care about human rights and freedom of your own people?" -- The answer is no. He and many others like him, do not care about human rights in China. They only care about spreading CCP nationalism. They are callous and indifferent to the suffering of their own countrymen who are targeted by the CCP. There's another term for their state of mind, "brainwashed".
Migrants from rural areas were deprived of basic rights. Severe repression of Uighurs in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region continued, and freedom of expression and religion continued to be severely restricted in Tibet and among Tibetans elsewhere.
An increased number of lawyers and journalists were harassed, detained, and jailed. Thousands of people who pursued their faith outside officially sanctioned churches were subjected to harassment and many to detention and imprisonment. Thousands of people were sentenced to death or executed.
Are you saying this again? I've already told you That if Master Li had any kind of racial prejudice, he would not teach the practice for people of different nationalities and ethnic groups. And every religion or spiritual way says that homossexualism is against heavens law, But Master Li never told Homossexuals could not learn Falun Gong.
youon99, recognize that your own government is killing off your fellow countrymen because it realizes that unlike other registered religions and spiritual groups in China, it cannot control their minds and remove their free will. If there are any "cults" in China, it is the regime in Beijing whom you seem to support with such blind patriotism.
After being criticised for its lack of transparency, particularly during the Sars epidemic, Xinhua has for last few months been putting out news reports embarrassing to the government, but they are designed to fool the international community, since they are not published in Chinese.
With the help of former French journalist on Xinhua, Reporters Without Borders exposes the distortion of facts, hatred for its enemies (particularly the United States and Japan) and its support, through the treatment of international news, for the world's worst regimes.
The Reporters Without Borders' report includes accounts from several Xinhua journalists who agreed, on condition of anonymity, to explain how the control imposed by the CCP's Propaganda Department operates on a daily basis.
Although it is more and more regularly cited as a credible source - nearly one third of the news reports on China selected by Google News originate from the agency - Xinhua, the head of which has the rank of minister, is the linchpin of control of the Chinese media.
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The Chinese Government severely and systematically persecutes members of China's spiritual communities, including Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims, and members of the Falun Gong movement.
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The promise of religious freedom in China is a false one. Despite the Chinese Government's ratification of several human rights treaties, its stated adherence to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and a provision in the Chinese Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion and belief, China continues to commit serious violations of religious freedom and belief
After the 1997 changes, political dissidents, journalists, writers, lawyers, human rights defenders, Falun Gong practitioners, and members of the Tibetan and Uighur ethnic, linguistic and religious minorities were often prosecuted as a result of having exercised their human rights to freedom of speech, assembly, association or religion. They are often sentenced to long prison terms for political crimes such as endangering national security through undermining the unity of the country
I jsut explained to you why it is false information... Why do you say I have no explanation? Harry Wu changed his mind.. You can find information about organ harvesting and Falun Gong on his website. As for the US investigation, it is outdated. The investigation was guided and happened 3 weeks after the information about the hospital was out. Thus, they had plenty of time to clean the place up. This was frequently brought up and we need a true investigation. Which CCP doesnt want to allow.
Harry Wu changed his mind.You can find things about organ harvesting and Falun Gong on his website.I see that you are scared for some reason. But you have no reason to be scared. Your giving old information that is outdated.Exposing the crimes of the CCP is not Anti-China, to the contrary.If youre proud of your country, you do not let atrocities go by
Confucius valued virtue and righteousness.When one is righteous in ones heart, the harmony in the family is well. When the harmony in the family is well, the nation goes well. Being righteous and having principles is important. A nation that commits atrocities is not a nation that is doing good and cannot and never will attain the state of a harmonious society.
You're wasting your time with these pro-CCP contributors, such as youon99. Words such as "disallowing atrocities" are not part of their vocabulary. They could care less about China. They support the CCP because it's the CCP who pays them. Their masters in Beijing could murder and imprison their own families and they would still blindly do the CCP's bidding. He is a hired stooge on the payroll of the world's worst bloody communist dictatorship.
You said that the sources of information that denounce the crimes of the Chinese government are not consistent, but the sources you showed are even less consistent. There are many serious people in the world recognizing that China violates human rights, not only Falun Dafa practiners are saying this. Wake up for the truh!
If master Li had any kind of racial prejudice, he would not have taught the practice for people of all countries and races. These things you said don't justify China government crimes against Falun Dafa practitioners. Being patriot is not to defend your nation crimes.If you Help to stop it You will be more patriot.
Tel me one serious religion that says homosexualism is not against heavens law. In some religions they even kill homosexuals. But Master Li has never said homosexuals could not learn Falun Dafa. He also says that drinking, smoking, thinking and saying bad thing about the others and killing are wrong, but he never told people ho have done this things in the past could not learn Falun Dafa. You didn't say it in your comment.
You want true stories? My friend was electrocuted by electric batons because he practiced Falun Gong. Theyre a busy organization. Wait a bit or rewrite to them and maybe youll get your clarifications.
Man thats so outdated.. Come on that was 3 weeks after the incident got out and it was a guided investigation... Youre not really following recent developments dear. Why are you working so hard and posting on all Falun Gong videos?
And youre actually promoting Falun Dafa by posting websites. Its like if I posted a website on buddhism and said look how far fetched it is, they believe in reincarnation... Im sorry but its childish..
my frind... I already showed you a lot of evidence proving that the prosecution is actually occurring, and we showed you this question on the consistent and rational views. I am not going be losing time responding to a bunch of silly. There is no argument to justify the organs harvesting, the torture and deaths Falun Dafa practitioners are suffering. You can say eeverything you want and I will repeat "nothing can justify these crimes"!
On the issue of interfering in satellite, I Think you are confused about it to. Everyone knows that the media in China are controlled by the government. The sites on the Internet which criticizes the government are blocked and the TV programs may not display negative information about the Chinese governments crimes. are Falun Dafa practitioners who controls the midia in China?
Who are the gangsters? The Falun Dafa practitioners who have a peaceful behavior or the officers who beat, kidnap, torture and kill them. I think you are a little confused,I don't know if you invented or someone else told you this informtions, but they are not true. Be patriot is not a problem, but defend the crimes of your country is not being patriot.
On the issue of interfering in satellite is even more absurd, it's paranoid. How can you sai That More than one hundred million people are all gangsters, just because they are practicing qi gong and meditation and denouncing the crimes against human rights that the Chinese government is committing against them?
These things you said are absurd. The only two requirements for practitioners of Falun Dafa are, not to get involved in politics nor collect any money for things related to Falun Dafa. And these requirements are the same for all the practitioner in all countrys. The practitoners can't charge any money to teach the exercices. If They do it, they are not Falun Dafa practitioners any more, and nobody wiil recopgnize them.
He also told me he knows the persecution is true and a lot of Chinese are against it. Many people are afraid to criticize the government because the punishments are severe. He said that investigate the truth about Falun Dafa in China is very dangerous, as he is not a practitioner he would not venture to seek more information.
Felipee69, u're an idiot. So ur proof is, "my Falun Cult brazilian friends in China told me blah blah blah." Wow, that's alot of proof and evidence right there. How about I say this, "my friends in China told me there is absolutely NO persecution in China, it's all lies."
It's like sayin, everyone is eating shit and they say it taste great! Then u're gonna go eat shit now. U continuously embarass urself, moron. In ur case, u will NEVER achieve a high-level thru cultivation. Ur degrading
I'm not using negotiation tecnics, you are paranoid. I'm just telling the truth about persecution and showing to you that You don't know anything about Falun Dafa. I've talked with a brazilian who lives in China...He told me he was walking with his chinese friends and they have seen some complaints about falun gong persecution. They have become terrified with the proofs.
does this video exist with simplified-chinese suubtitles. i would like to share it with friends i have in china by sending it directly to them. i would appreciate anyone who could provide information on where i might find such a version.
videochemist 2 years ago 8
The Chinese Govt. and the elitist who control them are afraid of people claiming their power and waking to the truth of the massive brain washing, manipulation and control' they've been implementing world wide for decades. If we all don't wake up, we can also be in for the same type of treatment in the near future. My prayers go out to all the courageous souls in China. They're leading the worldwide rebellion as the masses awaken to the truth!!!!
kupunaandmapuana 2 years ago 15
Stand up and be counted
dave777blaster 2 years ago 13
My questions are
1) why does Canada and USA still
do business with Communist Red China ?
2) is this the system Rockefeller praises so highly?
3) Why have we built up China with our business being transported to China and should we not boycott all products from China?
4) why is the UN not moving on this issue?
5) why is there no outcry from the media which seems to suggest that the media is complicit in some way?
dave777blaster 2 years ago 27
I've been researching this for weeks in order to write two articles. It's absolutely true.
And buying from China is supporting it.
Caspinlange 2 years ago 18
This doesn't seem like "propaganda" to me. I can't imagine why anyone would be afraid of those people, but apparently the Chinese government is afraid.
Gr8TeaLvr 3 years ago 18
The Chinese Government want to control the people, but religion is the best thing to control people with.
Fearing that Falun Gong could lead to their party being ousted someday, they have been massively oppressing practitioners.
3ssay 3 years ago 11
Thank you for putting some truth out there, we cannot rely on the media in the U.S. anymore.....
jesseakers 3 years ago 13
Sounds like a homicide ... how is this possible. Why aren't Western Governments doing anything?
kuaran 3 years ago 14
Communist Chinese are only the monsters on Earth!Be cautious all of them! People!
dakarateboi 3 years ago
I have already shown a lot of evidences proving, that Chinese government is violating all the human rights of Falun Dafa practitioners, and also of another groups. Falun dafa is a practice of Buddha school, based on Truthfulness-Campassion-tolerance. Chinese government arrests people with out trial, commits tortures, Kills inocents and sells theire organs in the black market.Who is evil? What is good, and what is evil for you? Who is lieing?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago 43
It is an Honor to know you and Support you.
Cheers,
Mitch
mitchee009 3 years ago 2
Torturing and murdering the groups that CCP is afraid of,using the midia to demonize the these groups so as to have popular support, Burning Books which are diferent from the CCPs crazy ideology, and considering people who criticizes the government as criminals, are what this wicked party have been doing since it was created.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago 14
this is so wrong and quite sinister thanks for getting this information out , It is horrible that this is happening at all I just can't describe the sorrow i feel for these victims of an Evil Government!!
brengale 2 years ago 7
Calm down man...you are paranoid just like youon...I Don't have political leader as you say, and I can't delet youtube comments, and I don't whant to control youtube. I'm just exposing the lies that Chinese government say against Falun Dafa. You are only repeating what other people told you, and I'm sure you have never read the Falun Dafa books. You are only repeating what youon had said before, so I won't answer again the same thing, Go back and read what I told him.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago 8
Falun Gong Paper Epoch Times Caught Lying Again
Here,
Epoch Times is among the Falun Gong "Echo Chamber" that passed off photo of a woman
suffering from advanced stage breast cancer as evidence of torture:
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hkfeng 4 years ago
Felipeeee69
see, you and your political leader control the youtube forum and delete the objectors comments because you all afraid of someone like us speak up against the FLG might overturn your FLG propaganda, it is again proving your FLG is lie, you can control some posts, we can make up the video against the stupid FLG cult too, hope to see you FLG being vanished as soon as possible~~
hkfeng 4 years ago
To those Who KNOW what is it exactly that the Chinese Government has against Falun Gong?? Thanks in advance!
OsDeus7 4 years ago
In 1999 there were 100 million people practicing Falun Gong in China, more than there were members of the CCP and many CCP members were practicing Falun Gong. The head of the ccp at the time, jiang zemin became intensely jealous over this and began the persecution that used the entire nations political and economic resources. It just boils down to typical evil communism in the end.
fieldofrainbows 4 years ago 3
Thanks very much that is very very ridiculous!!!! Why be jealous over this when it can do nothing but help your well being??? Sounds like just laziness and ignorance which equals evil!!!
OsDeus7 4 years ago 2
nice healthy organs too,top dollar...make cash out of subverting basic rights,always stereotyped as top traders the chinese..they arnt doing anything to bust that stereotype....boycott the bastards.
swater777 4 years ago
Indeed!!
OsDeus7 4 years ago 3
Those groups that defy the control of the Religious Affairs Bureau face severe consequences: mass campaigns, surprise raids, imposition of heavy fines, imprisonment, and torture."
This information doesn't come from Falun Dafa practitioners, but from Catholics inside China. Is this the freedom of religious beliefs in China you've talked about?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Felipeeee69
see, you and your political leader control the youtube forum and delete the objectors comments because you all afraid of someone like us speak up against the FLG might overturn your FLG propaganda, it is again proving your FLG is lie, you can control some posts, we can make up the video against the stupid FLG cult too, hope to see you FLG being vanished as soon as possible~~
hkfeng 4 years ago
It also seeks to stamp out those religious activities that are not government-sanctioned. The Chinese State Council's Religious Affairs Bureau screens religious groups for official approval or disapproval, monitors membership in religious organizations, and controls locations of meetings, religious training, selection of religious hierarchy, publication of religious materials, and funding for religious activities.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
The Chinese Government severely and systematically persecutes members of China's spiritual communities, including Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims, and members of the Falun Gong movement."
State Control of Religion in China "The Chinese Government views religion as a threat to its power. As a result, it restricts religious activities to government-sanctioned organizations and registered places of worship.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago 3
The Cardinal Kung Foundation
Our Mission
Is to Promote the Roman Catholic Church in China,Now Under Persecution...,
" The promise of religious freedom in China is a false one. Despite the Chinese Government's ratification of several human rights treaties, its stated adherence to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and a provision in the Chinese Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion and belief, China continues to commit serious violations of religious freedom and belief.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
The Chinese Government views religion as a threat to its power. As a result, it restricts religious activities to government-sanctioned organizations and registered places of worship.
yup exactly,sx
swater777 4 years ago 36
I totally agree with your statement.
chuy605a 4 years ago
About what you said before...come on...everybodhy knows the history of Chinese comunism...the young chinese people don't care about it because theire life is more confortable now, and they dont't whant to worry about anything...but everybody outside china remember what CCP has made against the students in tianamen massacre, and a lot of people know what's happening to Falun dafa practitioners...If I say it in China I will probably be arrestes or sent to a forced labor camp, or even killed
Felipeeee69 4 years ago 3
OK so you realy belive the after you read Zhuan Falun for seve hours, a Falun Dafa practitioners can control your mind even if you don't want to listen... so it's not a very strong mind, is it? If I don't whant to listen to what people are saying or reading, I just go to another place. But if people were able to read for 7 hours straight, this book must be realy good. And in fact it's very interesting. But people who don't enjoy it just stop reading it, is that simple.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
you still havent answered my question:
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT FREEDOM OF BELIEF and FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION ARE BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS?
and what about freedom of speech?
Please answer the question, as it is fundamental to the discussion.
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
most people in china (including yourself) dont know the facts because they are filtered by the media. your media outlets are not credible because the ccp decides what gets reported and how. please argue this point.
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
Please man...all media are filtered by it's governments, if your the person who believes that your country is telling you the true then you are Blind as a Fool.
chuy605a 4 years ago
1. im not a falun gong practitioner
2. i dont have a "furious mind"
3. you haven't really answered my question
my only question is: do you believe that freedom of believe and freedom of association are basic human rights. please answer the question.
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
wow. i asked nicely for you to stop calling me stupid. its not "my flg." im not an flg practicioner. and im not swearing either! what is your problem, man? discuss willingly? your not interested in discussion. your mind is already made up anyway. thats why i asked nicely for you to just drop it.
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
And what is Chinadaily...isn't it controlled by the governments censorship... How can you trust in this..."China's leaders have some tough measures in place. It's illegal to criticize the government or the political system"...So how could chinadaily show news criticizing CCP...epoch times is not a trustfull source for you but china daily is, It's crazy!
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Of corse the hospital will say the accusations are lies. Imagine the director of the hospital saying: Yes, it's truth, we have harvest a lot of organs from Falun Dafa practitoners, and also recived a lot of money. They are very healthy, so their organs are very good.You can recive your organ in only one week, because we are the number 1 in harvesting organs from Falun dafa practitioners!
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Actualy it's far beyond cientific understanding. And it also doesn't justify, to kill Falun Dafa practitioners and harvest their organs. Would you go to a Budhist monk and say -you are a lier your beliefs are not cientific! If you don't want to belive in Falun Dafa or in noncientific things it's your own problem, but a lot of people do and the very powerful health benefits of Falun Dafa have already been proved by cience many times.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Are you crazy?these things you said are absurd.Chinese government fear so much that people discover the truth about CCPs crimes that it invented these kind of lies.if it wasn't a so serious thing I would laugh. About what master Li teaches,whats the problem? he's not a cientist,why should he folow the cience? He's a qigong master he teaches Budha cultivation, it's not cience, and it mustn't be criticiZed by cience.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
" You should pay attention to moral character cultivation an practice cultivation according to the characteristic of the universe, truthfulness-compassion-tolerance. You must completely dispose of desires of ordinary people, immoral thoughts, and intention of wrong doing"( Zhuan Falun ). Is it evil? who is lying? who is killing and torturing? what is good and what is evil?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
CCP controls the camunication ways and uses it's propaganda agency to fabricate lies against it's enemys, why wouldn't it fabricate lies against falun Dafa? Now take a look at Falun Dafa, It's a cultivation way of budhahood, and in it's books the teacher tell his students to cultivate virtue and give up human atachments,
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
If you belive in Falun Dafa or in CCP, is your own problem, but there is no reason for these bloody persecution! nothing justify it.
Look to the history of CCP .you will find a lot of lies, violence, corruption and crimes. Why would it act diferent only with Falun Dafa. CCP have tortured persecuted and murdered a lot of people, why do you think it's impossible to be hapening with Falun Dafa practitioners to?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Falun Dafa is being persecuted by a political party CCP. So if the practitioners protest aginst the persecution and the tortures and murders commited by CCP, People will say Falun Dafa is geting involved in politics...OK if you whant to say it go ahead. Falun Dafa practitioners are asking for theyre human rights, it's the most important thing. Falun Dafa practitioners just whant to say to Chinese people that Falun Dafa is good. a lot of people have already recognized it.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
please dont assume that you know my level of intelligence. i have studied your culture for years, and i can speak your language. i dont really see the point of corresponding with you, because you sound rather fanatic. please respect this and don't bother replying. you are entitled to your point of view, though i simply can't agree. no hard feelings, then.
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
i don't need to calm down. im very calm. and im not blind. not blind enough to overlook blatant human rights violations by a government that is not held responsible to its own people. AND I AM NOT FLG, JUST A PERSON WHO BELIEVES IN THE VALUE OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. I also love China, and its people and culture. But human rights come first, always.
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
how can someone get negative two thumbs for defending human rights? wtf?
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
and i never claimed to be a china expert, or a representative of the Chinese. simply put, my opinion (and you are entitled to your own) is that people should be allowed to believe whatever they choose, and no GOVERNMENT should have the power to meddle in people's beliefs. that is simply not the business of government. (MY OPINION)
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
you're full of shit, youon99. why shouldn't falun gong practitioners have an outlet that lets them communicate what is happening to them? do you really deny what is happening? why are you so unwilling to believe that these people are being wrongly persecuted? and where exactly do you stand on human rights issues?
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
If CCP didn't control the media, and let falun Dafa practitoner defend them selves from the false allegatiots against them publcly, it would not be necessary. And it also doesn't justify the terrible crimes against FALUN DAFA practitioners, commited by CCP.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
But in china people doesn't have the freedom to choose as the government manipulates the midia, and spread only lies about falun Dafa being an evil cult. That thing you said...about the lawyers in a mental breakdown after reading falun gongs bible is crazy, whats your problem? there is no bible in falun gong, the pincipal book is zhuan falun and it's very diferent from the bible, I belive you haven't read any of the two.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
If you don't want to watch NTDTV you are free to change the channel, and if you don't whant to read epoch times, you can throw it in the garbage. But FALUN DAFA practitioners are not affiliated to anybodhy, there is not an institution or organization. Some practitioners belived that it would be a good chance to make more people know what chinese goverment do and hide from the world.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Some things you said are truth, but some things are not. It's truth that a lot of FALUN DAFA practitioners, uses newspapers, television and flyers to denounce the crimes comited by CCP against FALUN DAFA practitioners. it's also truth that a NTDTV and epoch times shows a lot of informations about, Falun dafa persecution in China. And in my opinion there is nothing wrong with this...they are free to show it if they want...the people can read epoch times or watch NTDTV as they whant, or not.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Despite a certain economic liberalisation of the media sector, Xinhua remains the voice of the sole party. Hand-picked journalists, who are regularly indoctrinated, produce reports for the Chinese media that give the official point of view and others - classified "internal reference" for the country's leaders...
You see? CPP lies to the people, violates human rights, persecutes religious groups, and kills inocent people. Falun gong is a spiritual practice of Budha school..who is evil?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
filipeeee69, it is nice to hear from someone who knows what they are talking about. thank you for the breath of fresh air.
sivadwerdna 4 years ago
With the help of former French journalist on Xinhua, Reporters Without Borders exposes the distortion of facts, hatred for its enemies (particularly the United States and Japan) and its support, through the treatment of international news, for the world's worst regimes.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
"Xinhua: the world's biggest propaganda agency
On the eve of the 56th anniversary of the People's Republic of China, Reporters Without Borders releases a report of an investigation into the role of the news agency Xinhua News Agency in the system of propaganda and censorship put in place by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Ysay everithing CCP does, as it's being done by falun gong....a lot of people know Chinese government kills inocent people, controls the midia, and persecutes spiritual groups wich are not santioned b the government...you live in China, so you just see what your government whant you to see. Aren't the sites in internet wich criticizes the government blocked in China?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
And there is another Thing...a lot of people know that the Chinese midia is contrlloed by CCP."Communist authorities have utilized the state-run media in China to create a barrage of fabricated news stories aimed at demonizing Falun Gong. Many violent crimes committed by people with no connection to Falun Gong were re-written in state-run media to frame Falun Gong practitioners as dangerous or worse. Much of this hate propaganda has found its way into Western media reports."
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
So what's the diferences between you and me... I am free to choose If belive in Falun gong or in CCP, ad also to leave it if i whantIf I started practing falun Gong alone, and it's being very positive to my life...you say you are chinese , but everybody knows, chinese government have a history of human rights violation. Just remember cultural revolutin and the tiananmen massacre of students. Falun Gong persecution isn't so diferent from the crimes CCP have been commiting against human Rights
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
youon, you think that anybody who belive in falun gong are nonsenses, and you also think that all falun gong practitioners are brain washedand work for Falun Dafa I and many other people also figth for the human rigths, but i belive that when you say "not even a single HK and Chinese support for Falun Gong a" you are being to Absolutist. There are a large number of Chinese people who belive in Falun Gong, and it's being practiced in more than 80 countries by more than 100 million people.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Youon, Chinese government is not persecuting only Falun Dafa, but other China's spiritual communities, including Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims. A lot of seriously and copetent people in diferent countries have recognized the persecution of Falun Dafa practitioners as truth. Chinese government tries to deny every evidence of it's crimes, saying it's all false and using it's propaganda to distort the informations against it.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
and there are also a lot of people who are not Falun Dafa practitioners who are exposing the CCP crimes against them. Falun Dafa persecution is only one of the evil acts of CCP against human rights
w w w . monitorchina. or g/english_ site/
I think your informations are wrong. Falun dafa is Being practiced in more than 80 countries and by more than 100 million people.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
but saying it's a political cult, and that a supervisor pay me to talk to you in youtube, is crazy. I'm Just showing you a lot of proofs that Chinese government is commiting terrible crimes against good people.This information are available for everybody in a lot of sources, in books, newspapers, sites, videos, magazines. there are a lot of videos avaiable on youtube to.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
What you call a political is the attempt of practitioners To clarify the truth and expose the persecution so that the government take a providence. If you want to call the act of requiring the authorities to take a provision to stop the persecution, tortures and killing of Falun Dafa practitioners, OK, go ahead. and if you whant to call practice of qi gong and cultivation of Budha natura a cult, OK, go ahead to.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Cult supervisor? political cult? dominate the youtube? what kind of poison CCP propaganda has put in your mind? you are becaming crazy and paranoid. You can download all the Falun Dafa books for free in the oficial site. just read them, and i'm sure you will change your opinion. Falun Dafa is good. A huge number of people have already benefited from this practice. it's not a job and it has no supervisor.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
the People's Great Hall. If they were to have dashed over there to get the equipment, it would have been too late." Is it even possible that the police could have responded with not one but four fire extinguishers within the space of a minute if they didn't have prior knowledge that this was going to occur?
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w w w . mediachannel .o rg /views/dissector/
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Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Xinhua News Agency claims that within a minute of the man setting himself ablaze, police had dashed over to him with four fire extinguishers and quickly put out the flames. A European journalist based in Beijing, however, told us: "I have never seen policemen patrolling on Tiananmen Square carrying fire extinguishers. How come they all showed up today? The location of the incident is at least 20 minutes roundtrip from the nearest building —
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
The regime points to a supposed self-immolation incident in Tiananmen Square on January 23, 2001 as proof that Falun Gong is an "evil cult". However, we have obtained a video of that incident that in our view proves that this event was staged by the government. We have copies of that video available for distribution.
Statement in the United Nations (Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights
Fifty-third session, Agenda item 6
August, 2001
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
China's violent assault on Falun Gong practitioners is "State Terrorism"; the supposed self-immolation incident "was staged by the government".
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
China communist party is the evilest thing in the world. I do not think people in China can watch this video, as it blocks the internet.
donlee2004 4 years ago
Look at this video about the self immolation
remove the spaces between the words.
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Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Falun Dafa cultivates life, How could it's practitioners commit suicide? They would be acting against falun Dafa principles. Master Li also says that killing is the worst sin. There are proofs that the people who immolate themselves were not falun dafa practitionersn and the self immolation was a lie made up by CCP to make people belive Falun dafa is not good.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
As the number of practitioner became larger than the number of CCP members, Jiang Zemin became fearfull and started to promote a propganda against falun gong, and spread lies saying it's an evil cult. Master Li Hongzhi's teachings are based on trthfulness compassion and tolerance. You can search in all his books and you won't find about practitioners immolating themselves.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Falun Dafa is a good practice. It's being practiced in more than 80 countries by more than 100.000.000 people. Many country leaders have recognized all the great benefits of this cultiovation practice to society, and even created a national Falun Dafa Day. Only in china falun dafa practitioners are being persecuted, arrested, tortured and killed, only for practicing exercices and studing.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
I fully support the action taken by the Chinese government against falungong!
francisgwf 4 years ago
Falun Dafa is not against China, it's only against the crimes Chinese government is commiting against Falun Dafa practitioners. To be against the crimes tha CCP is commiting against human rights is not to be against China. CCP is violating Chinas constitution. It sweared that it would stop the human rights abuses before the olimpics, but in fact it became worse. Who is evil, who is torturing, who is killing? being against murdering isn't being against China, understand it!
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Falun's idea is against China,make all the bad influence to China,try to make people have a bad impression about China,It's a anti nation organization,very bad,very evil!!
7777777tu 4 years ago
The promise of religious freedom in China is a false one. Despite the Chinese Government's ratification of several human rights treaties, its stated adherence to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and a provision in the Chinese Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion and belief, China continues to commit serious violations of religious freedom and belief.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Currently, Falun Dafa is being practiced in more than 80 countries by more than 100 million people of different racial and ethnic groups. Only in China Falun Dafa is prohibited and the practitioners are being persecuted tortured and killed. Many countries have already recognized that the Falun Dafa is benefiting the society and even paid tributes creating a national day of Falun Dafa
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Currently, Falun Dafa is being practiced in more than 80 countries by more than 100 million people of different racial and ethnic groups. Only in China Falun Dafa is prohibited and the practitioners are being persecuted tortured and killed. Many countries have already recognized that the Falun Dafa is benefiting the company and even paid tributes creating a national day of Falun Dafa.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
If master Li had any kind of racism or prejudice, he would not have teached Falun Dafa to all the world. He said he's not against anyone who wants learn it.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
too many stories to completely ignore.....or is it UFOs?........whoooooo
blame78 4 years ago
To everyone: DON'T take my word for what's happening in the world. But nothing is black & white. History has shown us that what is right may not be right, what is wrong may not be wrong.
Rosa Park was jailed for refusing to give up her seat. Was that right or wrong? MLK was assassinated for his movement. Was that right or wrong? Educate yourself and determine what is the real truth. youon99 could be right, I could be wrong. I could be right, youon99 could be right.
silverylotus 4 years ago
That old law about 'an eye for an eye' leaves everybody blind. The time is always right to do the right thing.
~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
silverylotus 4 years ago
This is such a fine example for you to say against China too~ the group of people only believe in what silverylotus said are FLG members, you are representative of the FLG, so in your eye everybody not believe in FLG are nonsenses, of course all other 100+ countries in the world are believe in justice, so that's why many people around the world keep exposing the fake of FLG, not only Chinese.i am already here in China, you are not , Kudos to you!!
youon99 4 years ago
This is such a fine example for you to say against China too~ the group of people only believe in what silverylotus said are FLG members, you are representative of the FLG, so in your eye everybody not believe in FLG are nonsenses, of course all other 100+ countries in the world are believe in justice, so that's why many people around the world keep exposing the fake of FLG, not only Chinese.i am already here in China, you are not , Kudos to you!!
youon99 4 years ago
this is such a fine example for you to say against China too~ the group of people only believe in what silverylotus said are FLG members, you are representative of the FLG, so in your eye everybody not believe in FLG are nonsenses, of course all other 100+ countries in the world are believe in justice, so that's why many people around the world keep exposing the fake of FLG, not only Chinese.i am already here in China, you are not , Kudos to you!!
hkfeng 4 years ago
Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.
~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
silverylotus 4 years ago
you decline everyone to reply your comments, what's your plot?
i think you FLG memeber are so afraid of me to exposing the fake of FLG, see, they block my comments in youtube forum, because they afraid of somebody like us to overturn the Falun Gong propagenda~
FLG against the freedom of speeches!!!
political Cult hatred by all people in the world~
hkfeng 4 years ago
Such are such a fine example to represent what the CCP is all about. Please to those reading these comments, only believe what youon99 say because, whoa, he/she is truly raised by the CCP! So right, all the Chinese in the world outside of CCP has no brain of his own. All other 100+ countries all are BS because only people like you has brains to see it all. Don't waste time here! You need to go out there & be a fine example of a true CCP follower!! Kudos to you!!
silverylotus 4 years ago
this is such a fine example for you to say against China too~ the group of people only believe in what silverylotus said are FLG members, you are representative of the FLG, so in your eye everybody not believe in FLG are nonsenses, of course all other 100+ countries in the world are believe in justice, so that's why many people around the world keep exposing the fake of FLG, not only Chinese.i am already here in China, you are not , Kudos to you!!
youon99 4 years ago
Such are such a fine example to represent what the CCP is all about. Please to those reading these comments, only believe what youon99 say because, whoa, he/she is truly raised by the CCP! So right, all the Chinese in the world outside of CCP has no brain of his own. All other 100+ countries all are BS because only people like you who has brain to see it all. Don't waste time here! You need to go out there & be a fine example of a true CCP follower!! Kudos to you!!
silverylotus 4 years ago
China has existed for 2000+ years. CCP is prosecuting FLG, NOT China. China is great for its people, not for the CCP. If you disagree, go buy a one-way ticket to China & live in its "harmonious & prosperous" government. Why bother staying in the US? FLG started in China 1992 and was widely welcomed & practiced for 7 years before the ban. So either CCP is really dumb to take this long to figure out it is a "cult" or it is scared because its members are being outnumbered.
silverylotus 4 years ago
I am a Chinese living in China, i know what is happening inside my country, the Falun Gong leader incite his believers to immolate themselve, many practitioners are being brainwashed and causes spiritual collapse, there are many evidences of (self-incineration) to show the Falun Gong believers in China persecuted by Falun Gong, in 25/4/1999, Falun Gong summoned ten thousand believers to overturn the Chinese government in Beijing. that's why CCP forbids them & we called them "The Chaos Makers"
youon99 4 years ago
you live in US, it's so clear about the situation here, all the Chinese in the world are against the FLG, and all the foreigners & Outsider like you are defending for FLG, (please review the comment history) , so that what i mean you all are trying to be China expert by using your tactics, you have no contribution to the Chinese community at all, what you can do is only Talk without any action
youon99 4 years ago
CCP is our government leading us to the success, without CCP, China is uncontrollable, the US has already has the "political interfering habit & trying to conquer the media war " US try to knock down all their competitors by using the similar tool to divide us, and even depress the reputation of China in the world-wide platform, that's what i mean the "plot" but FLG is failed already~
youon99 4 years ago
How do you know? Falun Gong practitioners are just trying to stop this persecution. Whats wrong with that? Its just the truth.
Timur21 4 years ago
No, they are exposing the human rights abuses done by the CCP. Chinese people are very intelligent. Without the CCP, You can be sure China woul be much more successful. You think that by committing so much crimes and abusing so much rights, not respecting your own laws can create a "harmonious society"?
Timur21 4 years ago
The banning of Falun Gong, not even considering the brutal torture and killings of practitioners, is completely illegal, according to chinese laws and the chinese constitution. 10 000 people at Zhongnanhai was completely peaceful and in comformity with chinese laws. I dont pretend to be anything. Look inside yourself.
Timur21 4 years ago
My whole life? Who is posting comments on every single Falun Gong video? Plus, I practice Falun Gong, so its normal for me to truthfully defend my rights and my practice that I believe to be good and beneficial for me. I dont stand for lies said about Falun Gong. What is your interest in spending hours posting comments about Falun Gong? The CCP has done good to China you think? Falun Gong practitioners have not broken any law.
Timur21 4 years ago
Everybody Who criticizes CCP is Anti-China/CCP and involved in politics, even when they are defending human rights, or denouncing the CCPs crimes against chinese people. CPC even whant to choose the successor of the Dalai Lama. Now the CPC must approve all Buddhist spiritual leaders known as Lamas. For centuries the search for reicarnations of lamas including Tibet's spiritual leader the Dalai Lama is being done by Tibetan monks. Now CCO rules the spiritual world to. It's absurd
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Thats really not how things happened my friend. Falun Gong was absolutely not political. What you call "political", you are referring to people defending their rights under chinese laws and the chinese constitution that are not respected by the CCP. Falun Gong was banned following what happened at Zhongnanhai on April 25th... There was nothing political about that. I dont know where you get these ideas about "Anti-China", if not from CCP propaganda...
Timur21 4 years ago
I didn't say reigion is prohibited in China....people can practice their religion freely....if it is one of the government-sanctioned churches affiliated with the CCP. They might even build huge churches and temples if you accept their rules, and play their game.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
China continues to commit serious violations of religious freedom and belief. The Chinese Government severely and systematically persecutes members of China's spiritual communities, including Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims and Falun Gong practitioners.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Wrong! It depends how these religious groups react to CCP's ruling power. I have been a Roman Catholics all my life. The government actually built a church about 400 feet from my home after the Culture Revolution. There are millions of Roman Catholics like me in China, and my church was never persecuted since we didn't have any political agenda.
bigfattony007 4 years ago
To my understanding, the CCP's view of "getting political" is too general, which would be alright if they didnt associate that much of a negative connotation to it. House church members are persecuted, the CCP decides who is the reincarnation of Buddha, for Tibetan buddhists. The problem is the CCP wants to be above God, which is why it creates huge social problems.
Timur21 4 years ago
"The Catholic Church in China, therefore, has two faces: the government-sanctioned Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association (CCPA) and the underground Roman Catholic Church. The Chinese Government officially permits only those Catholic churches affiliated with the CCPA. The CCPA takes its orders only from the State Council's Religious Affairs Bureau. It does not recognize the supreme administrative, legislative, and judicial authority of the Pope"
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Falun Gong didn't agree to become government-sanctioned practice and being subject to the control of government. Jiang Zemin also used the persecution to gain popularity and Public support, like in a Mao style.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Before the 1999 Falun Gong was praised by the government. Were Falun Gong "against" communism or the Government, this would mean that millions of practitioners were "against" themselves: millions of practitioners were Chinese Communist Party members before the ban, and this includes many high-ranking officials.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
I believe most of practitioners have no political agenda, but what about people like Li HongZhi who claimed "I can guide or stop an incident with my conscience." while being interview by Time Magazine. Right before 10+k FLG follower surrounding ZhongNanHai, Li denied he was in China. However, evidence proved he lied. Right after the crackdown, a FLG spokeswoman in SF denied their practice had anything to do with religion and were well organized. They lied again.
bigfattony007 4 years ago
Li Hongzhi has no political agenda. You can clearly see that in his teachings and his actions. I think you are misinterpreting what may be defense of human rights and saving lives with politics and greed for power.
Timur21 4 years ago
Li Hongzhi is the master who teached the practice to the public, he is not a revolutionary leader, and there is no such hirarchy, only teacher and students. Falun Gong is being persecuted. Did you You accuse Falun gong to control the media? Man, just look at CCP media propaganda, it's also arresting reporters who criticizes the government, look at the internet sites blocked, look at the comunication ways manipulation
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Here are some of crap Li said "in the present world, only I preach the true law", "I have made available a ladder for people to climb up to Heaven", "if I can not help you, then nobody can help you.".
bigfattony007 4 years ago
These epitomize the typical characteristics of a cult leader. FLG is definitely not a regular Qi Gong group that we see, but a religion related group which they once denied. FLG can't control the media, but they use mixed of facts and fabrications in order to achieve their political agenda like the CCP, so the way that FLG disseminates propaganda is very similar to the CCP.
bigfattony007 4 years ago
These epitomize the typical characteristics of a cult leader. FLG is definitely not a regular Qi Gong group that we see, but a religion related group which they once denied. FLG can't control the media, but they use mixed of facts and fabrications in order to achieve their political agenda like the CCP, so the way that FLG disseminates propaganda is very similar to the CCP.
bigfattony007 4 years ago
"There are no leaders or elit in Falun Gong."
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Then who the fuck is Lee HongZhi? He is a god figure in the cult. A lot of FLG practitioners in another forum believes he is the resurrection of the Buddha and got supernatural power.
bigfattony007 4 years ago
Amnesty international estimates the number of executions between 2,000 and 10,000 per year. This would almost match with the numbers of transplantation, but it does not explain that all death row candidates match with the blood types and tissue factors of the recipients. In order to provide all the recipients with an transplant the projected number of organ donors must be even higher than the actual number of transplantations
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Some experts estimate that over 90 percent of organ transplants in China come from prisoners. Chinese transplant physician, Dr. Zhonghua Chen, said at a conference in Boston in July that Chinese doctors had transplanted 8,102 kidneys, 3,741 livers and 80 hearts in 2005, reported the Los Angeles Times. With a small amount of freely donated organs, and a constant number of executions per year the unexplained gap between supply and demand raises the question: where do all the organs come from?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Not only Falun Gong practitioners are being persecuted in China, but oher groups like, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims, reporters and human rights activists. If CCp stoped persecuting and killing this people nobody would say anything against it.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
It's the most absurd comment I've ever heard. There are no leaders or elit in Falun Gong. The practitioners didn't knock on the prisons door and asked to be arrested nor asked "please kill me and torture me, take my organs to sell" They were illegally arrested while practiced in public and denounced the persecution
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Just as the Arabs keep Palestinian refugees in camps for international sympathy, and how Tajistan lets Islamic terrorists bomb them for international sympathy, so are the Falun Gong top leaders using innocent Falun Gong practitioners as pawns that will provoke sympathy from within prison cells and in front of firing squads.
ilivetocomment 4 years ago
Most of the people in Falun Gong really believe in the faith, but they are just being used by the Falun Gong elite, who deliberately send off Falun Gong martyrs to get themselves into prison cells to create INTERNATIONAL SYMPATHY.
ilivetocomment 4 years ago
Most of the people in Falun Gong really believe in the faith, but they are just being used by the Falun Gong elite, who deliberately send off Falun Gong martyrs to get themselves into prison cells to create INTERNATIONAL SYMPATHY. Falun Gong is a great belief, it's just that it's been used as a weapon against the CCP by the corrupt top leaders.
ilivetocomment 4 years ago
topjimmy72, go grab a copy of The Epoch Times, and open it up and read it. Then compare it to a copy of the China Daily. Which one is more biased? The Epoch Times is run internationally by Falun Gong exiles. I don't know where they got the cash to give away free newspapers all over the world though. Maybe because the Falun Gong elite are RICH.
ilivetocomment 4 years ago
"Apart from a small portion of traffic victims, most of the organs from cadavers are from executed prisoners. ... The current organ donation shortfall can't meet demand." (China Daily newspaper)
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Traditionally, Chinese, as well as other Asians, are reluctant to donate organs for transplantation purposes. In accordance with this tendency Vice Health Minister Huang Jiefu admitted at a summit for transplant doctors held in Guangzhou in November 2006 that the communist government was torturing prisoners, executing them and trafficking in their body parts.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
There are a lot of Falun Gong practitioners living inside China. You don't see them very much because when they show themselves they are quickly arrested. But you may find a lot of them in Chinas Black jails.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
It may be better or not, it doesn't metter to me, I'm not comparing which is better or worse. I've already showed to you a lot of proofs, not given only by Falun Gong practitioners, But by human rights defenders, reporters, government authoritys and other persecuted groups.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
If the CCP falls, China will continue to exist. But the CCP is trying to save itself by saying that any attack on the CCP is an attack on China, thus making itself infallable in the eyes of Chinese people like yourself. But hopefully someday you'll break free of the shackles of CCP brainwashing you seem to have been indoctrinated with and come to fully understand this point. I wish you luck.
topjimmy72 4 years ago
See again.. you believe that calling out the CCP for its human rights abuses is tantamount to defaming China. The behavior you're displaying is typical of mainland Chinese who have not yet recognized that the CCP does not equal China. The CCP has ruled China for a mere 50+ years. Compared to past dynasties, that's quite insignificant.
topjimmy72 4 years ago
If the CCP falls, China will continue to exist. But the CCP is trying to save itself by saying that any attack on the CCP is an attack on China, thus making itself infallable in the eyes of Chinese people like yourself.
topjimmy72 4 years ago
You're so out of your league it's frightening. Stop acting as a CCP mouthpiece spreading lies and disinformation and start opening your eyes to the reality that's occuring in China and elsewhere. Your own defectors (including Chinese diplomats - i.e. Chen Yonglin) even admit that the Falun Gong persecution is real and that as members of the Chinese government they were asked to actively participate in the persecution.
topjimmy72 4 years ago
Youon...haow can you defend these crimes...don't you care about human rights and freedom of your own people? What is your spiritual beliefs or philosophy? I believe that nobody agrees with the crimes against the practitioners of Falun Dafa nor with the crimes against religions that are happening in China.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
"Youon...haow can you defend these crimes...don't you care about human rights and freedom of your own people?" -- The answer is no. He and many others like him, do not care about human rights in China. They only care about spreading CCP nationalism. They are callous and indifferent to the suffering of their own countrymen who are targeted by the CCP. There's another term for their state of mind, "brainwashed".
topjimmy72 4 years ago
Migrants from rural areas were deprived of basic rights. Severe repression of Uighurs in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region continued, and freedom of expression and religion continued to be severely restricted in Tibet and among Tibetans elsewhere.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
An increased number of lawyers and journalists were harassed, detained, and jailed. Thousands of people who pursued their faith outside officially sanctioned churches were subjected to harassment and many to detention and imprisonment. Thousands of people were sentenced to death or executed.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Are you saying this again? I've already told you That if Master Li had any kind of racial prejudice, he would not teach the practice for people of different nationalities and ethnic groups. And every religion or spiritual way says that homossexualism is against heavens law, But Master Li never told Homossexuals could not learn Falun Gong.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
youon99, recognize that your own government is killing off your fellow countrymen because it realizes that unlike other registered religions and spiritual groups in China, it cannot control their minds and remove their free will. If there are any "cults" in China, it is the regime in Beijing whom you seem to support with such blind patriotism.
topjimmy72 4 years ago
After being criticised for its lack of transparency, particularly during the Sars epidemic, Xinhua has for last few months been putting out news reports embarrassing to the government, but they are designed to fool the international community, since they are not published in Chinese.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
With the help of former French journalist on Xinhua, Reporters Without Borders exposes the distortion of facts, hatred for its enemies (particularly the United States and Japan) and its support, through the treatment of international news, for the world's worst regimes.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
The Reporters Without Borders' report includes accounts from several Xinhua journalists who agreed, on condition of anonymity, to explain how the control imposed by the CCP's Propaganda Department operates on a daily basis.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Although it is more and more regularly cited as a credible source - nearly one third of the news reports on China selected by Google News originate from the agency - Xinhua, the head of which has the rank of minister, is the linchpin of control of the Chinese media.
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Felipeeee69 4 years ago
The Chinese Government severely and systematically persecutes members of China's spiritual communities, including Roman Catholics, Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims, and members of the Falun Gong movement.
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Felipeeee69 4 years ago
The promise of religious freedom in China is a false one. Despite the Chinese Government's ratification of several human rights treaties, its stated adherence to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and a provision in the Chinese Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion and belief, China continues to commit serious violations of religious freedom and belief
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
After the 1997 changes, political dissidents, journalists, writers, lawyers, human rights defenders, Falun Gong practitioners, and members of the Tibetan and Uighur ethnic, linguistic and religious minorities were often prosecuted as a result of having exercised their human rights to freedom of speech, assembly, association or religion. They are often sentenced to long prison terms for political crimes such as endangering national security through undermining the unity of the country
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
I jsut explained to you why it is false information... Why do you say I have no explanation? Harry Wu changed his mind.. You can find information about organ harvesting and Falun Gong on his website. As for the US investigation, it is outdated. The investigation was guided and happened 3 weeks after the information about the hospital was out. Thus, they had plenty of time to clean the place up. This was frequently brought up and we need a true investigation. Which CCP doesnt want to allow.
Timur21 4 years ago
Stop copy pasting the same false information...
Timur21 4 years ago
亲身经历揭露中共的迫害: 王臻被非法关押在上海青浦第三劳教所遭到高强度劳动、洗脑、酷刑和被犯人折磨。王臻在劳教所曾两次被抽血和做心电图，当时劳教所 只对法轮功学员进行体检，其他犯人想体检也不给机会。劳教所告诉他体检是中共对法轮功学员的关心，但体检的结果从来就不告诉他们 。出国后他才了解到原来中共想贩卖他们的器官赚钱。
newchinese 4 years ago
Harry Wu changed his mind.You can find things about organ harvesting and Falun Gong on his website.I see that you are scared for some reason. But you have no reason to be scared. Your giving old information that is outdated.Exposing the crimes of the CCP is not Anti-China, to the contrary.If youre proud of your country, you do not let atrocities go by
Timur21 4 years ago
Confucius valued virtue and righteousness.When one is righteous in ones heart, the harmony in the family is well. When the harmony in the family is well, the nation goes well. Being righteous and having principles is important. A nation that commits atrocities is not a nation that is doing good and cannot and never will attain the state of a harmonious society.
Timur21 4 years ago
You're wasting your time with these pro-CCP contributors, such as youon99. Words such as "disallowing atrocities" are not part of their vocabulary. They could care less about China. They support the CCP because it's the CCP who pays them. Their masters in Beijing could murder and imprison their own families and they would still blindly do the CCP's bidding. He is a hired stooge on the payroll of the world's worst bloody communist dictatorship.
topjimmy72 4 years ago
Seriously you have a serious problem.. Your one of the most closed minded people Ive ever come across..
Timur21 4 years ago
You said that the sources of information that denounce the crimes of the Chinese government are not consistent, but the sources you showed are even less consistent. There are many serious people in the world recognizing that China violates human rights, not only Falun Dafa practiners are saying this. Wake up for the truh!
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
If master Li had any kind of racial prejudice, he would not have taught the practice for people of all countries and races. These things you said don't justify China government crimes against Falun Dafa practitioners. Being patriot is not to defend your nation crimes.If you Help to stop it You will be more patriot.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Tel me one serious religion that says homosexualism is not against heavens law. In some religions they even kill homosexuals. But Master Li has never said homosexuals could not learn Falun Dafa. He also says that drinking, smoking, thinking and saying bad thing about the others and killing are wrong, but he never told people ho have done this things in the past could not learn Falun Dafa. You didn't say it in your comment.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
You want true stories? My friend was electrocuted by electric batons because he practiced Falun Gong. Theyre a busy organization. Wait a bit or rewrite to them and maybe youll get your clarifications.
Timur21 4 years ago
Man thats so outdated.. Come on that was 3 weeks after the incident got out and it was a guided investigation... Youre not really following recent developments dear. Why are you working so hard and posting on all Falun Gong videos?
Timur21 4 years ago
And youre actually promoting Falun Dafa by posting websites. Its like if I posted a website on buddhism and said look how far fetched it is, they believe in reincarnation... Im sorry but its childish..
Timur21 4 years ago
my frind... I already showed you a lot of evidence proving that the prosecution is actually occurring, and we showed you this question on the consistent and rational views. I am not going be losing time responding to a bunch of silly. There is no argument to justify the organs harvesting, the torture and deaths Falun Dafa practitioners are suffering. You can say eeverything you want and I will repeat "nothing can justify these crimes"!
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Man.. Youre using the same arguments as the CCP propaganda... Same false stories again and again...
neopandorex 4 years ago
On the issue of interfering in satellite, I Think you are confused about it to. Everyone knows that the media in China are controlled by the government. The sites on the Internet which criticizes the government are blocked and the TV programs may not display negative information about the Chinese governments crimes. are Falun Dafa practitioners who controls the midia in China?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Who are the gangsters? The Falun Dafa practitioners who have a peaceful behavior or the officers who beat, kidnap, torture and kill them. I think you are a little confused,I don't know if you invented or someone else told you this informtions, but they are not true. Be patriot is not a problem, but defend the crimes of your country is not being patriot.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
On the issue of interfering in satellite is even more absurd, it's paranoid. How can you sai That More than one hundred million people are all gangsters, just because they are practicing qi gong and meditation and denouncing the crimes against human rights that the Chinese government is committing against them?
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
These things you said are absurd. The only two requirements for practitioners of Falun Dafa are, not to get involved in politics nor collect any money for things related to Falun Dafa. And these requirements are the same for all the practitioner in all countrys. The practitoners can't charge any money to teach the exercices. If They do it, they are not Falun Dafa practitioners any more, and nobody wiil recopgnize them.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
i believe this is true.
Last time i checked, China was persecuting hundreds of Tibets and persecuting (killing) chinese and foreign religious minorities.
This is not some made up story. This has happened. One of the greusome human acts that dehumanizes humans.
zxwxcii 4 years ago
He also told me he knows the persecution is true and a lot of Chinese are against it. Many people are afraid to criticize the government because the punishments are severe. He said that investigate the truth about Falun Dafa in China is very dangerous, as he is not a practitioner he would not venture to seek more information.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago
Felipee69, u're an idiot. So ur proof is, "my Falun Cult brazilian friends in China told me blah blah blah." Wow, that's alot of proof and evidence right there. How about I say this, "my friends in China told me there is absolutely NO persecution in China, it's all lies."
It's like sayin, everyone is eating shit and they say it taste great! Then u're gonna go eat shit now. U continuously embarass urself, moron. In ur case, u will NEVER achieve a high-level thru cultivation. Ur degrading
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
I'm not using negotiation tecnics, you are paranoid. I'm just telling the truth about persecution and showing to you that You don't know anything about Falun Dafa. I've talked with a brazilian who lives in China...He told me he was walking with his chinese friends and they have seen some complaints about falun gong persecution. They have become terrified with the proofs.
Felipeeee69 4 years ago