A. there are no objective moral values-please provide one...seriously just one
B. tampering the power of government and more importantly the tyranny of the majority is precisely the point of the Bill of Rights
C. an agreed upon subjective standard is "my rights end where yours begin," it is subjective but it is one we all tend to agree with (save the sociopaths). Enforcing that is another question
D. Stalin lost...aka clearly survival of the fittest did occur
Biblically speaking- Jesus replied: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
Hard to live by,even for christianity. But even with these words, morality comes from many different cultures and kinds and to have a cohesive society, it is generally legislated in one way or another.
Its sad that you think so little of human beings that you believe we're incapable of behaving morally without some sort of supernatural babysitter. Besides, in order to serve as any sort of moral compass, the bible has to be cherry picked, edited, parsed, translated and altered in order to provide moral guidance. Its chock full of violence, oppression, child abuse, torture, murder & rape. Its ironic for someone who relies on the bible for moral guidance to be lecturing others about morality.
@stevebnh, yet with all those words you haven't actually said or proven anything. Please DEMONSTRATE exactly HOW I am cherry picking and abusing the context of the Bible to prove my points. What is ironic is that you even have the arrogant audacity as an atheist (if you indeed are) to make ANY moral judgments because nothing is truly wrong if there is no God.
@lodown31 My point is simply that if you're suggesting that the morals we ought to be legislating come from the bible, there are big problems with that. There are awful morals in the bible. I wouldn't want to live in a society where stoning people is acceptable, where hitting children is acceptable, where oppressing women is essentially mandated. Human beings today are capable of developing a moral code that is far more just, fair and compassionate than the supposed morals of the bible.
@stevebnh, which brings us to the point, upon what basis do you say they are "awful"? Your opinion? How do you now justify "pushing" your opinion upon me by saying what I follow is wrong? Can you now see my point? God has given us a conscience by which we can know the moral standard he has given us. Also, where did you get the idea that the things you mentioned are "acceptable"? As if God is saying, "mistreat women, I love it"? Please provide scriptures for your assertions.
@lodown31 I am pretty certain you will find in the bible references to hitting children, stoning unbelievers, striking slaves etc. I think you can find where God reportedly asked a man to kill his own son. I think you can find instances where a father offered his daughter up to be raped. I am comfortable saying that I dont think daughter-raping is good. I can come up with that one on my own and I feel comfortable with it. I think it also fits well within the mores of a civilized society.
@stevebnh, "pretty certain"? You don't KNOW? Are you a parrot? Polly want a cracker? It is clear that you, like most Atheists, care nothing for the actual facts and are REPEATING things you've heard without researching the contexts. Provide the scriptures and the contexts that prove your points and THEN we can have an intelligent conversation. Oh, but wait a minute, you won't do that because that would actually take effort and intellectual honesty.
Let's take abortion as an example. If science tells us an embyo's nervous system is not developed enough to be susceptible to suffering before 12 weeks, abortion should be legal.
If you think that there is a soul in an embryo, or if you simply think is not the right thing to do (as I do), just don't practice it. But don't prohibit other people who don't adhere to your mythology to do something that harms no one.
I don't think religion is a source of objective morality. Christian morality was different 50 years ago, more different 100 years ago...200 years ago...500 years ago...2000 years ago!!!
If we lived by the morals of Exodus, Deutoronomy and Leviticus, we would be stoning people to death in public acts, sacrificing animals, etc...
The Morals that Jesus taught have not changed one bit, everyman has his the free will, and his own understanding or morality, however, a true Christian, will base his understanding of morality on the Word of God, but deeper then that, a true Christian, will manifest the love of God in his life and to others, and that has never changed at all.
To questions the old testament, without understanding God first is pointless. God is Holy and Just. I pray you know the truth one day. I really do.
The morals of that judeochristian mythological figure we call Jesus are, in fact, very good. Love and forgiveness, I'm all in favor of that. Not because of faith, bu because of simple logic and rationality. However, I don't worship no myth, that's infantile.
"...Word of God..." and all of that is just based on blind belief. It's all mythology man, I'm sorry.
Please tell us where we may find this written, comprehensive, definitive, clear, unchanging, objective moral code, so we may worship it. Oh you only infer that such must exist because God exists? Remind me again how your morality in practical application is any less subjective than the non-theists.
Thou shalt not kill is objective. Homicide and abortion wrong; death penalty and war right is subjective. Thou shalt not kill unless you are God is not objective.
Law is morals. Law is (or at least should be) the minimum moral standards a society must obey to live in peace and harmony.
How do we know what is the minimum moral standard? I think through ethics, moral philosophy and rationality, supported, when it can be, by scientific knowledge.
Religion, superstition, dogma and mythology should be left out of the equation.
A. there are no objective moral values-please provide one...seriously just one
B. tampering the power of government and more importantly the tyranny of the majority is precisely the point of the Bill of Rights
C. an agreed upon subjective standard is "my rights end where yours begin," it is subjective but it is one we all tend to agree with (save the sociopaths). Enforcing that is another question
D. Stalin lost...aka clearly survival of the fittest did occur
Hopeful71 1 year ago
lol nice ved
MrRocko99 2 years ago
Biblically speaking- Jesus replied: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
Hard to live by,even for christianity. But even with these words, morality comes from many different cultures and kinds and to have a cohesive society, it is generally legislated in one way or another.
guyncali2 2 years ago
God doesn't exist, so how can morals come from it?
333333344444 2 years ago 2
@333333344444, short AND pointless... I like it.
lodown31 2 years ago
Its sad that you think so little of human beings that you believe we're incapable of behaving morally without some sort of supernatural babysitter. Besides, in order to serve as any sort of moral compass, the bible has to be cherry picked, edited, parsed, translated and altered in order to provide moral guidance. Its chock full of violence, oppression, child abuse, torture, murder & rape. Its ironic for someone who relies on the bible for moral guidance to be lecturing others about morality.
stevebnh 2 years ago 3
@stevebnh I like your comment. Very humanistic.
20cigarrosconfiltro 2 years ago
@stevebnh, yet with all those words you haven't actually said or proven anything. Please DEMONSTRATE exactly HOW I am cherry picking and abusing the context of the Bible to prove my points. What is ironic is that you even have the arrogant audacity as an atheist (if you indeed are) to make ANY moral judgments because nothing is truly wrong if there is no God.
lodown31 2 years ago
@lodown31 My point is simply that if you're suggesting that the morals we ought to be legislating come from the bible, there are big problems with that. There are awful morals in the bible. I wouldn't want to live in a society where stoning people is acceptable, where hitting children is acceptable, where oppressing women is essentially mandated. Human beings today are capable of developing a moral code that is far more just, fair and compassionate than the supposed morals of the bible.
stevebnh 2 years ago 2
@stevebnh, which brings us to the point, upon what basis do you say they are "awful"? Your opinion? How do you now justify "pushing" your opinion upon me by saying what I follow is wrong? Can you now see my point? God has given us a conscience by which we can know the moral standard he has given us. Also, where did you get the idea that the things you mentioned are "acceptable"? As if God is saying, "mistreat women, I love it"? Please provide scriptures for your assertions.
lodown31 2 years ago
@lodown31 I am pretty certain you will find in the bible references to hitting children, stoning unbelievers, striking slaves etc. I think you can find where God reportedly asked a man to kill his own son. I think you can find instances where a father offered his daughter up to be raped. I am comfortable saying that I dont think daughter-raping is good. I can come up with that one on my own and I feel comfortable with it. I think it also fits well within the mores of a civilized society.
stevebnh 2 years ago
@stevebnh, "pretty certain"? You don't KNOW? Are you a parrot? Polly want a cracker? It is clear that you, like most Atheists, care nothing for the actual facts and are REPEATING things you've heard without researching the contexts. Provide the scriptures and the contexts that prove your points and THEN we can have an intelligent conversation. Oh, but wait a minute, you won't do that because that would actually take effort and intellectual honesty.
lodown31 2 years ago
Good Video Man!!! God Bless You!!!
johnnydigital77 2 years ago
Let's take abortion as an example. If science tells us an embyo's nervous system is not developed enough to be susceptible to suffering before 12 weeks, abortion should be legal.
If you think that there is a soul in an embryo, or if you simply think is not the right thing to do (as I do), just don't practice it. But don't prohibit other people who don't adhere to your mythology to do something that harms no one.
20cigarrosconfiltro 2 years ago
I don't think religion is a source of objective morality. Christian morality was different 50 years ago, more different 100 years ago...200 years ago...500 years ago...2000 years ago!!!
If we lived by the morals of Exodus, Deutoronomy and Leviticus, we would be stoning people to death in public acts, sacrificing animals, etc...
20cigarrosconfiltro 2 years ago
The Morals that Jesus taught have not changed one bit, everyman has his the free will, and his own understanding or morality, however, a true Christian, will base his understanding of morality on the Word of God, but deeper then that, a true Christian, will manifest the love of God in his life and to others, and that has never changed at all.
To questions the old testament, without understanding God first is pointless. God is Holy and Just. I pray you know the truth one day. I really do.
johnnydigital77 2 years ago
The morals of that judeochristian mythological figure we call Jesus are, in fact, very good. Love and forgiveness, I'm all in favor of that. Not because of faith, bu because of simple logic and rationality. However, I don't worship no myth, that's infantile.
"...Word of God..." and all of that is just based on blind belief. It's all mythology man, I'm sorry.
20cigarrosconfiltro 2 years ago
Please tell us where we may find this written, comprehensive, definitive, clear, unchanging, objective moral code, so we may worship it. Oh you only infer that such must exist because God exists? Remind me again how your morality in practical application is any less subjective than the non-theists.
Thou shalt not kill is objective. Homicide and abortion wrong; death penalty and war right is subjective. Thou shalt not kill unless you are God is not objective.
Apologetics fail.
ChooseThisLife 2 years ago
Law is morals. Law is (or at least should be) the minimum moral standards a society must obey to live in peace and harmony.
How do we know what is the minimum moral standard? I think through ethics, moral philosophy and rationality, supported, when it can be, by scientific knowledge.
Religion, superstition, dogma and mythology should be left out of the equation.
20cigarrosconfiltro 2 years ago