America has kept a Secret about the Quran - Islam in America

[ragingwoody10]

Simple brainwashing of the lemmings by an archaic hate-filled religion. Yet everything the need and use comes from the West...even this site and the computer you are using.

[Zxuma]

@ragingwoody10 and the west gets the oil she does "everything' with from them....ummmm

[MrBigboss20011]

no one can separate Islam and america , i remember one of the Famous arab sheikh said that in islam we Muslims have three holy land (Macca , Madena and Jerusalem) and he said America is The fourth important land for Islam ,hell i agree with him america for islam no doubt

[The1453cCc]

Quran says that unlike the two books(thora and bible), the Quran will be defended by himself, so no one can change it.

[TheAbahaziz]

DEAR MUSLIM TO BE..WELCOME TO ISLAM..YOU HAVE MADE A RIGHT DECISION AND YOU ARE NOT ALONE ..MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA ARE LEAVING CHRISTIANITY AND SINCE ISLAM IS THE FINAL REVELATION OF ABRAHAM, MOSES AND JESUS'S GOD,MOST OF THEM TURN TO ISLAM.IN US ALONE 2.7 MILLION PEOPLE LEAVE CHURCH EVERY YEAR AND 4000 CHURCHES CLOSED YEARLY.SEARCH FOR "STATISTIC AND REASON FOR CHURCH DECLINE-INTO THY WORD MINISTRIES". ALSO " CNN NEWS:1.5 MILLION AMERICANS CONVERT TO ISLAM".

[abdulah786]

I have been rifling through all these comments and I am absolutely amazed by the overflowing amount of intolerance. Any individuals working towards "righteousness" is not doing themselves a favour by entering these arguments, also devoid of any type of avail.

The prophets (peace upon them all) warned not to even get into these types of useless debates.

[abdulah786]

Only God saves us. Jesus (peace be upon him) said: "I myself can do nothing"

[seemab]

Where can i get the rest of this documentry or show

[abdulah786]

@seemab "BBC the life of Muhammad" (peace be upon him)

[bashubibi]

The title of the video is misleading.

[crazedNdiffused]

Jefferson was a man that was interested in and studied everything. I'd be surprised if he did not have a Quran. He stated he hated organized religeon and the things done in God's name.

[MsJudi54]

@crazedNdiffused I have a Qur'an, and yet I am a Christian, worshiping ONLY the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob, which includes Jesus Christ & the Holy Spirit. Just because Jefferson "hated organized religion", does not mean He hated Jesus Christ as His Lord & Savior. Religion is evil & no one should be subjected to its lure & promise of salvation. Only Jesus Christ's work on the cross saves us.

[crazedNdiffused]

@MsJudi54 Not Christin but appreciate what you said if i am understanding it. Christianity is a personal faith in God and not a religion? Anyway i can tell by your choice of words you are a decent person, not arrogant or needing to talk down like myself and many here. I only have faith in man's law and when it is not upheld I want to uphold it myself and that is vigilantism. Men that dismiss law are evil and provoke strife and division. I support the Christian principles

[crazedNdiffused]

Nice spin sure to please the ignorant infidel. You won't find any public or private reference to the good of other religions in Muslim nations will you? How many Muslim scholars have a Bible? They wouldn't be an Imam for long if they talked of it's teachings.

[crazedNdiffused]

The mural represents the best teachings of religions. Not what is practiced. Islam has not evolved like Christianity. Is that not obvious?

[jonnsmith180]

Islam has no fundamental concept of Inalienable Rights as mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. Islam does not permit the individual to enjoy the freedoms of action and association characteristic of the Democracy that so many Western cultures currently enjoy today. Islam is a religion in name only because of a reference to "Allah" as their Deity. A well known fact is that Islam is a totalitarian ideology that rejects Democracy, personal freedom, and every other religion.

[tary2100]

@jonnsmith180 You have got to be kidding me! Islam regards a human being as God's vicegerent on earth. Accordingly, Prophet Mohammad, pbuh, said that one who dies while protecting his life, intellect, property, lineage, or religion is considered to be a martyr. These five universals establish the principles of Islamic canon law and the foundations of the modern law on human rights. Islam has unequivocally guaranteed the fundamental rights of every living creature; examples abound..

[ViensofJoy]

@tary2100 brilliant reply

[ccamful]

@tary2100 have you totally lost your mind?

"Islam has unequivocally guaranteed the fundamental rights of every living creature"

tell me something, according to the quaran what happens to someone who walk away from following islam?

ya that right they are to be killed.

tell me if muslim woman wants to marry a non muslim, what does islam teach?

so much for guranteed fundamental rights of all living creatures. what a bunch of garbage.

the only right muslims have is to do as they are told!

[tary2100]

@ccamful "Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, God will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path. 4:137. Nowhere in the quran is death prescribed for apostasy. Again what is meant by “change” their religion, is “alter” their religion by attempting to falsify the faith from a position of authority, for example, saying that charity is not an Islamic requirement.

[tary2100]

@ccamful By quoting out of context you miss the meaning. The clear original meaning of the Arabic word translated as "change" is "alter," not "turn away." And nowhere in the Quran is their death for apostasy as explained below.

[yusufulhas]

@tary2100

islam FOUNDED human rights. these people are a bunch of liars. before islam their were NO SUCH THING as human rights. not in the christian nations not anywhere. U had the right to remain silent shuttup and listen to what the king said. and look at the state of those that DO not rule by islamic morals. dictatorship oppression.

[kshhashim]

well.i am glad that the founding fathers were not ignorant hateful scums like the current "patriotic" generation.

[crusaderforever]

The founding father had the Koran to learn about his enemy. The United States was a war with Muslims pirates at the beginning of the 19th century. Why don't you tell us about that Keith Ellison?

[tary2100]

Last comment below on Banu Qurayza for Ducking. I would also add that the Jews historically found safe haven under the muslim caliphate when they were persecuted in Europe. As for your other comments, as a muslim I prefer to carry out an enlightened dialogue staying away from disrespectful and offending comments.

[DuckingNDiving]

@tary2100 the jews are semites,they are the same people as arabs,so why were they in europe?why do muslims still come to europe?,we don't want you,nor do we want your evil religion,you have a biased approach to history,why was roderic an evil man?he ewas no different to any other leaders at the time,his own people did not like him because he held unchristian values,but that does not make him evil,you muslims steal other peoples lands and then play the victim game when others fight back

[InnerMittenSignal]

read the rest of the story in luke, chapter 9 of the Holy Bible (if you only speak/read arabic please type Arabic/English Online Bible in the google search box :)

قراءة بقية القصة في لوقا، الفصل 9 من الكتاب المقدس (إذا كنت تتحدث فقط / قراءة اللغة العربية من فضلك نوع ... "عربي / انجليزي على الانترنت الكتاب المقدس:" ... في مربع البحث جوجل

[InnerMittenSignal]

خَمْسِينَ». فَفَعَلُوا هَكَذَا وَأَتْكَأُوا الْجَمِيعَ. فَأَخَذَ الأَرْغِفَةَ الْخَمْسَةَ وَالسَّمَكَتَيْنِ وَرَفَعَ نَظَرَهُ نَحْوَ السَّمَاءِ وَبَارَكَهُنَّ ثُمَّ كَسَّرَ وَأَعْطَى التَّلاَمِيذَ لِيُقَدِّمُوا لِلْجَمْعِ. فَأَكَلُوا وَشَبِعُوا جَمِيعاً. ثُمَّ رُفِعَ مَا فَضَلَ عَنْهُمْ مِنَ الْكِسَرِ: اثْنَتَا عَشْرَةَ قُفَّةً. وَفِيمَا هُوَ يُصَلِّي عَلَى انْفِرَادٍ كَانَ التَّلاَمِيذُ مَعَهُ. فَسَأَلَهُمْ: «مَنْ تَقُولُ الْجُمُوعُ إِنِّي أَنَا؟» فَأَجَابُوا: «يُوحَنَّا الْمَعْمَدَانُ.

[InnerMittenSignal]

الاِثْنَا عَشَرَ وَقَالُوا لَهُ: «اصْرِفِ الْجَمْعَ لِيَذْهَبُوا إِلَى الْقُرَى وَالضِّيَاعِ حَوَالَيْنَا فَيَبِيتُوا وَيَجِدُوا طَعَاماً لأَنَّنَا هَهُنَا فِي مَوْضِعٍ خَلاَءٍ». فَقَالَ لَهُمْ: «أَعْطُوهُمْ أَنْتُمْ لِيَأْكُلُوا». فَقَالُوا: «لَيْسَ عِنْدَنَا أَكْثَرُ مِنْ خَمْسَةِ أَرْغِفَةٍ وَسَمَكَتَيْنِ إِلاَّ أَنْ نَذْهَبَ وَنَبْتَاعَ طَعَاماً لِهَذَا الشَّعْبِ كُلِّهِ». لأَنَّهُمْ كَانُوا نَحْوَ خَمْسَةِ آلاَفِ رَجُلٍ. فَقَالَ لِتَلاَمِيذِهِ: «أَتْكِئُوهُمْ فِرَقاً خَمْسِينَ

[InnerMittenSignal]

عَنْهُ مِثْلَ هَذَا وَكَانَ يَطْلُبُ أَنْ يَرَاهُ. وَلَمَّا رَجَعَ الرُّسُلُ أَخْبَرُوهُ بِجَمِيعِ مَا فَعَلُوا فَأَخَذَهُمْ وَانْصَرَفَ مُنْفَرِداً إِلَى مَوْضِعٍ خَلاَءٍ لِمَدِينَةٍ تُسَمَّىبَيْتَ صَيْدَا. فَالْجُمُوعُ إِذْ عَلِمُوا تَبِعُوهُ فَقَبِلَهُمْ وَكَلَّمَهُمْ عَنْ مَلَكُوتِ اللهِ وَالْمُحْتَاجُونَ إِلَى الشِّفَاءِ شَفَاهُمْ. فَابْتَدَأَ النَّهَارُ يَمِيلُ. فَتَقَدَّمَ لاِثْنَا عَشَرَ وَقَالُوا لَهُ: «اصْرِفِ الْجَمْعَ لِيَذْهَبُوا إِلَى الْقُرَى وَالضِّيَاعِ حَوَالَيْنَا فَيَبِيتُوا

[InnerMittenSignal]

أَيْضاً عَنْ أَرْجُلِكُمْ شَهَادَةً عَلَيْهِمْ». فَلَمَّا خَرَجُوا كَانُوا يَجْتَازُونَ فِي كُلِّ قَرْيَةٍ يُبَشِّرُونَ وَيَشْفُونَ فِي كُلِّ مَوْضِعٍ. فَسَمِعَ هِيرُودُسُ رَئِيسُ الرُّبْعِ بِجَمِيعِ مَا كَانَ مِنْهُ وَارْتَابَ لأَنَّ قَوْماً كَانُوا يَقُولُونَ: «إِنَّ يُوحَنَّا قَدْ قَامَ مِنَ الأَمْوَاتِ». وَقَوْماً: «إِنَّ إِيلِيَّا ظَهَرَ». وَآخَرِينَ: «إِنَّ نَبِيّاً مِنَ الْقُدَمَاءِ قَامَ». فَقَالَ هِيرُودُسُ: «يُوحَنَّا أَنَا قَطَعْتُ رَأْسَهُ. فَمَنْ هُوَ هَذَا الَّذِي أَسْمَعُ

[InnerMittenSignal]

وَدَعَا تَلاَمِيذَهُ الاِثْنَيْ عَشَرَ وَأَعْطَاهُمْ قُوَّةً وَسُلْطَاناً عَلَى جَمِيعِ الشَّيَاطِينِ وَشِفَاءِ أَمْرَاضٍ وَأَرْسَلَهُمْ لِيَكْرِزُوا بِمَلَكُوتِ اللهِ وَيَشْفُوا الْمَرْضَى. وَقَالَ لَهُمْ: «لاَ تَحْمِلُوا شَيْئاً لِلطَّرِيقِ لاَ عَصاً وَلاَ مِزْوَداً وَلاَ خُبْزاً وَلاَ فِضَّةً وَلاَ يَكُونُ لِلْوَاحِدِ ثَوْبَانِ. وَأَيَُّ بَيْتٍ دَخَلْتُمُوهُ فَهُنَاكَ أَقِيمُوا وَمِنْ هُنَاكَ اخْرُجُوا. وَكُلُّ مَنْ لاَ يَقْبَلُكُمْ فَاخْرُجُوا مِنْ تِلْكَ الْمَدِينَةِ وَانْفُضُوا الْغُبَارَ 

[ccamful]

i could go on all night quoting islamic writing about how much muhammad killed or cause others to be killed.

there maybe a few verses in quaran that teach peace, but they are rendered void by the huge number of other verses that teach to kill, non believers, those who would dare to speak about muhammad, and some because they were in the way. example those in the caravans.

if u want to continue with your idea that islam is peaceful i will be more then willing to post ever act of murder

[InnerMittenSignal]

@ccamful good comment! talking of peace isn't always doing it! we've had gangsters who were caught & sent to jail for their murderous crimes! when they were still terrifying the citizens, they would assure the frightened towns people that there would be "peace" if they would just pay the ransom (tribute)...they would call it 'protection money', but it was extortion!

[tary2100]

After signing a peace treaty with muslims, Banu Quraiza Jews sided with the pagans against the muslims in war. The pagans lost the war and when questioned about breaking the treaty the Jews were unremorseful, but readily agreed that a former ally of their tribe, a former Jew, render a verdict about the events and he did render it from Jewish law - Deuteronomy 20:10-14 - "When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it." It was Biblical law that was applied.

[mrcjrowe]

Everybody is straying from what is revealed in this video. THOMAS JEFFERSON had his own copy of the Quran.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@mrcjrowe For the exact same reason I have a copy of the Quran. Know your enemy. The very first time US troops were employed overseas was to fight the Muslim Pirates off the Barbary coast.

[ImaginedWriter]

The founders were true men of the enlightenment, of course they had a copy of the Quran to see what it was about. Jefferson in fact rejected Islam as well as Christianity. So lets not go overboard on the whole praise Islam boat.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@ImaginedWriter Thomas Jefferson did not reject Christianity. His writings clearly show that.



[ImaginedWriter]

@SkruffyScirocco Look up the Jefferson bible where he cut out the parts of the Bible he found to be ridiculous, and then commented that there was hardly anything left to warrant a belief.

[ccamful]

@ImaginedWriter "The Messenger of God ... said, ‘God married me in paradise to Mary the daughter of 'Imran and to the wife of Pharaoh and the sister of Moses.’" [2]

LOL POOR MUHAMMAD REALLY SHOULD GET HIS FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE HE SPOKE. LOL

MUHAMMAD THE PERFECT MAN? LOL DONT U MUSLIMS MEAN THE PERFECT FOOL?

LOL

[ImaginedWriter]

@ccamful I'm not a muslim you fucking retard. I'm an atheist. Learn to read.

[arabmafiaify]

All the wars that have passed through the centuries and empires will come back again

[arabmafiaify]

the christians and jews hate a muslims and arabs because after coming islam arabs are babylon

[chink411]

There are alot of great things historians told about Prophet Muhammed PBUH so this doens't schock me yet intresting to know!

[chink411]

Just another fact..The first so called " Western society " is build by a Muslim in Cordoba - Spain right after the dark era! Islam has a solution for everything but they are trying to destroy it by dividin the authency of The Quran just like they did with the Torah & Bible.. A true believer realizes we are believing in the same God if you look thru the deception and also see that the proof is actualy very clear if you open your mind and hart to learn more about others!

[SkruffyScirocco]

@chink411, oh so the Western civilizations of Rome and Greece and France never happened, huh?

Charles Martel kicked your asses out of France long before you had any sort of Society established in Spain.

[chink411]

@SkruffyScirocco U mean those savage society's,no dissrespect but when that man conqeured Cordoba,he made a city with fair trade and care for everyone,people respected eachother.. Ofcourse it was destroyed but tables will turn someday!

[harrysafraz]

@chink411 that SkruffyScirocco is just jealous of islam & muslims ,its typical of him being a white racist american

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz LOL! if I was jealous, I would just become a Muslim! I'm justr here to call bullshit on all your ridiculous rewriting of history, such as saying that Islam had ANY contribution in the forming of the USA.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco aww por jealous piggy, i agree islam has had no contribution in forming the UNSA ( UNITED NAZI STATES OF AMERICA ),

please feel free to youtube search the following

'' AMERICAN SOLDIERS KILL A HELPLESS SHEEP FOR FUN ''

islam has nothing to do with forming such a society of sheep shaggers / sheep bashers lol

[SkruffyScirocco]

@chink411 Ah, Cordoba, where a Khaffir man could not marry a Muslim woman, but a Muslim man could marry a Khaffir. Where a Khaffir could not bring suit against a Muslim, thus allowing Muslims to commit whatever crime they chose against a khaffir without worrying about justice. Where khaffirs were barred from certain trades. where khaffirs could own property - unless a Muslim wanted it. Paradise, if you were a Muslim. Khaffirs, not so much, Which is why they threw the Muslims out eventually.

[chink411]

@SkruffyScirocco The Quran doesn't teach to commit crimes,the opposite it teaches peace and knowledge of Allah.. Thats called freedom.. If you are well educated then you realize that you won't need rules from another human been thats just like you,but the Law of God and His Holy Book will be your path to peace and paradise.. Anyway u can have your opinion,thats your choice..goodluck and may God Bless u!

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco your just jealous :P admit it lol

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz lol, Jealous of abject poverty and illiteracy which permeates Muslim societies? Jealous of your abysmal record of women's rights? Jealous of the fact that you can't even TALK to a woman under normal circumstances, making you the most uptight, anal-retentive sex starved assholes who ever needed a blowjob? Jealous of the idea of worshiping at the altar of your Satanic cult of Muhammad, by for and about Muhammad? I don't see Americans lining up to emigrate to Muslims countries. .LOL!

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco so there isnt poverty in any white nation or illiteracy? as muslims we speak atleast 2/3 languages, yet you christians only know english, guess what jesus bever spoke english :P oh we know how much champions of human rights america is lol abu gharib, guantanomo, bagram... supermax prisons, dr affia sididue & barbar ahmad.i cant talk to a women.pfft your women are prostitutes, why associate with street trash?

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Yeah, well, Christ didn't speak Arabic, either. Oh, goody, so you all can work as translators! Uh, Newsflash sparky: The Bible has been translated into every language in the world - and still holds the same message. Your Allah couldn't write a book that could be translated, it seems.

Our women will kick your ass - and frequently do.

Our "poor" are better off that the majority of people in your countries. They have cars, TV, plenty of food. That's why you all want to come here.

[elhamh]

@SkruffyScirocco Actually the Qur'an has been translated into many languages, so i don't know where you were going with that. And about the women kicking our ass, I don't know where you were really going with that either, but that's nothing someone should be happy about, especially if you follow the message of the bible. And may I ask which country you live in where the "poor" have tvs, cars, and plenty of food?

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh Then why am I told that I have to read it in the original Arabic every time I start pointing out the more vile things that the Quran espouses? Look around these comments, I'm sure you'll find a Muslims saying that it's not a real Quran unless it's in Arabic.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh, I was responding to an ignoramus who says that Western women are prostitutes (Not, true, BTW, prostitutes charge for it, Western women give it away to men who make them feel good - something most Muslims I hear here seem to know nothing about). But our Women aren't in burkhas and sitting in the back seat, they're flying the jet fighters that are stomping Mujaheddin into the dust.

And I'm good with that, because my wife is my equal and my friend and companion, not my slave.

[elhamh]

@SkruffyScirocco Well that's obviously not true, not all western women are prostitutes, I'm a western woman, and i am definitely not a prostitute. And Muslim women (and men may i add) believe that sex is something that is a precious thing and should only be given away to their spouse. Muslim women wear the hijab for many reasons I'm not going to go all into that cause it would take to long, but look on a reliable website for reasons. And in Islam the man and women are equal:)

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh If a Muslim woman wants to wear a hijab, I have no problem with that, but when she is forced, then I have a problem. Look at how Iran has changed. in the 1970's women did not wear the Hijab there. Now they must, or there will be a punishment. You think they chose that?

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh I'm afraid you're mistaken about equality. In Islam, a woman's testimony is half of a man. As practiced, women may not drive cars in Saudi, may not be seen without a man accompanying her in many other countries. Read Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwash, and Ayan Hersi Ali, about how women are treated in Islamic countries. Please tell me the reasoning behind female genital mutilation and child brides in many Islamic countries. I would not want to be a woman in these places.

[elhamh]

@SkruffyScirocco These are problems within government laws, not Islamic laws.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh under Sharia law, if a woman is raped, she will be found as guilty of a crime as her rapist, and be subject to punishment or even honor killing at the hands of her family. This is routine, you can find hundreds of news articles about women who have been punished for being raped. Consequently women do not report it, and men know they can rape a woman with impunity. There is an appalling incidence of rape under Islam, but the reported rapes are near zero. Go figure.

[elhamh]

@SkruffyScirocco This is a mistake within Saudi law; which is not Sharia law. I've never seen anyone agree with that law, it is very unIslamic. In Islamic law rapist get killed and their is no punishment on the rape victim.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh Can you point me at a reference source for Islamic law on the Internet? The only Shariah site I found dealt only with apostates.

Saudi Arabia is not the only country where this is the norm. Since Saudi is the seat of Islam, I have to assume they're doing it correctly (according to Islamic law).

My friend, I'm afraid you are a good person trying to make Islam fit your views instead of conforming to true Islam.

[elhamh]

@SkruffyScirocco I don't have a specific site, but for the instance of rape look up what prophet Muhammad said about it or the Qur'an, and that would be the law. If Saudi Arabia really followed shariah law that kingdom of Saudi Arabia wouldn't exist, because a monarchy is against Islamic teachings. And Thanks:) You also seem like a good guy who is just a little confused about Islam.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh well, Muhammad's teaching about rape is that you need four witnesses to prove it (This developed from the accusations when Aisha was alone with the man fo several nights after being left by a caravan and tongues were wagging. under his law she should have been stoned for adultery, but he didn't want to and there were only three witnesses. Allah suddenly said you need four). This impossible burden of proof makes rape an endemic way of life for women in Muslim countries.

[elhamh]

@SkruffyScirocco I've never heard this hadith before, can you give me the authenticity of it? Although there is a verse in the Quran that says if you accuse a chaste woman of zina and you don't have 4 witnesses that you get punished. This is from chapter 24 verse 4.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh, the details of this sordid affair, which caused quite a lot of trouble in the early Islamic community and demonstrated what a self-serving hypocrite Muhammad was, can be found in Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, starting on page 494 (Guillaume translation).

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh, Poverty is endemic in the Muslim world. When I pointed this out, I was told that America has poor people too. This is a mis-statement, since America's poor live very very well compared to the poor in Islam. Here they get housing assistance, food assistance, and typically have a car and a TV and cell phone. The few on the streets without these are usually mentally ill or addicts. I've worked with these people, I know.

[elhamh]

@SkruffyScirocco I live in America, and I see lots of homeless people, some of them are very decent people who are trying their hardest, especially people who have their homes taken away since they can't pay their mortgages. And even some of the richer people who live in the suburbs can't afford cars and cell phones now a days. And since it seems your talking about Islam in general then their are no poor in a perfect Islamic country, because in Islam we have to pay zakat.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@elhamh The homeless you speak of generally don't stay that way for very long. The terminally homeless are usually either substance abusers or mentally ill or both. Under our laws a mentally ill person can't be forced to be treated.

LOL! Show me that perfect Muslim country! It doesn't exist, like perfect communism.

[tary2100]

@SkruffyScirocco You have to understand where we are historically. After World War I and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, many dictators were installed in muslim countries and what ensued was colonialism by proxy. As you can imagine, the return of an Islamic Caliphate was viciously opposed. Since that time you do not have any empowered muslim governance, including intellectual empowerment, so you do not have a model because progressive Islamic institutions have been cut down.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@tary2100, The question is how cohesive was the Caliphate before it collapsed in 1924? History tells us not very. No Caliphate exercised control over all modern Muslim nations, it was simply too much area, and local Sultans would exercise rule in spite of the Caliph. The Ottomans didn't even control modern Iran, let alone Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Indonesia. Inland Arabia and Yemen were effectively wastelands. Most Bedouins lived a life little changed from the 7th century.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@tary2100 I'm curious what these progressive institutions you refer to were. And how does anyone expect those institutions to be reinstated in an Islamic world today, given that any movement away from dictators is likely to end with a radical Islamist group taking power, as we're seeing today across north Africa, as happened in Iran. Will a resurgent Caliphate recognize Israel? If not, then there's going to be a big problem.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@tary2100 I'm curious what role sharia law played in the administration of the Ottoman empire. Do you think sharia is a progressive legal system that has any role in the 21st century?

[tary2100]

@SkruffyScirocco Sharia includes simple acts of kindness like providing charity, feeding the poor, having compassion for people, looking out for your neighbor. This is all part of Sharia, so if you provide charity you act in accordance with Sharia. Sharia also includes praying and fasting and abandoning idolatry and pagan practices, which are all progressive practices and a jurisprudence that can be applied to the 21st century.

[elhamh]

@SkruffyScirocco Well I'm going to still disagree with you on why people are homeless, because I'm telling you not all of them are substance abusers or mentally ill, I've known people who . But on to the next subject of a perfect Muslim country i agree with you its would be almost impossible to reach, but if everyone followed Islam's teachings it would be possible to achieve. Unlike perfect communism which i agree will never be achieved because the core is wrong, & against Islam

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco you mums given more blowjobs than the blowdrier in your local swimming lol your farther might like the taste of someone elses sperm in your mothers mouth, aww isnt that cute.you mothers like the village bike everyones hada ride lol white american sexual pervert,when talking to a women your eyes are probably fixed on her boobs lol.well guess what your mums tit are on show aswell, skimpy skets, glorified prostitutes,well easy.we dont have alters in the masjid.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz LOL! big words from a lover of goats! Anyway, since you have run out of anything substantive to say, I'm done with you.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco christians worship statues your churches look well satanic with the gothic styles they incorporate & recently started to worship the alleged demi-god mothers aswell lol ps i dont see muslims exploting america for oil or any other natural resources :P imperialistic piggies,chruch boy go suck your vicars dick haha

[Asqalane1405]

لا حول ولاقوة إلا بالله

[mademan4life]

name of this documentary

[Haze993]

From which Documentary is this?

[SkruffyScirocco]

@Haze993 It's not a documentary, it's a fantasy concocted for some obscure TV network.

[SmileForKhadija]

Because the Qur'an is PURE truth. You can't deny the truth

[SkruffyScirocco]

@SmileForKhadija Then why does the quran contradict itself and every other scripture that came before it? The Quran is the record of Muhammad's schizophrenic auditory hallucinations, nothing more. There is nothing new in the Quran, nothing profound, except to the illiterate who has read nothing else.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco please feel free to take a look at sheikh ahmad deedat, he is a good christian basher & so is dr zakir naik, he has made the world see how pathetic your beloved christianity is haha, christianity is a joke ( Youtube search the following ''Is Jesus God? - Debate - Ahmed Deedat VS Stanley Sjoberg'' & ''Debate: Dr. Zakir Naik vs. Dr William Campbell - The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science '' haha islam wins & christianity loses each & everytime :P

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Zakir Naiks is a fool whose modus is to say so many outrageous and patently ridiculous things in one sentence that it leaves his opponent gasping for breath at which outrageous thing to destroy first. I've seen him debate Sam Shamhoun, and be humiliated. The problem with debating you lot is that a debates demands a certain respect for logic and reason, and you have none.

[WillShakespeare2007]

Jefferson had a copy of the Quran as he was at war with Islam and wanted to better understand the enemy of the united states. Any first year history student knows this and this is just an attempt to rewrite history.

[ShockfulReality]

@SkruffyScirocco schizophrenic madman haha. No wonder the first person on Hart's list is the Prophet Muhammad in "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History".

There is no use in trying to prove you that the bible has been corrupted. I will give you proofs, but from reading all your comments, I can deduce that you will reject them. Anywho, I just dare you to Google "Trinity 325".

I know you'd still want to live in ignorance, but i'd advise you to give truth a chance.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@ShockfulReality Yeah, I see Hitler, Stalin and Genghis Khan also made the list, so obviously it doesn't matter whether it was a good influence or not. 270 million dead and a quarter of the world in abject ignorance and poverty, yeah, that's quite an influence your man has.

I took your dare. Your Islamic apologetics site doesn't impress me. There is Truth, and then there's Muhammad's self-serving pack of lies. He heard voices, thought it was God and YOU believe it! LOL!

[ShockfulReality]

@SkruffyScirocco haha reaction of a typical brainwashed ignorant fool. now Google "trinity origin" or "trinity history" do not reply in like two seconds. it would just imply that you want to stay in ignorance and dont even wanna learn your own history. also study the history of dark ages. Hope youll be able to trust wiki if not there are lots of christian links. if you still are not convinced get your head checked. i dont wanna waste my time on a retard who believes 1+1+1 = 1.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@ShockfulReality, as usual you listen to the Muslim misconception of the Christian teaching and ignore the real teaching. This is a straw man argument, and a logical error. It is NOT 1+1+1, because you mistakenly assume that Christ and the Holy Spirit are separate entities from God. The correct analysis is 1=1=1. God in Heaven, God among us, God manifest in our hearts. Three aspects of one being. Your Allah is pathetic for all the things you say he can't do.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco let me correct the pisstianity aka christiminality says that god is a god & god is his own son & farther & a ghostly spirit then god who is his own son died on a cross & daddy god who is his own son & farther at the same time was crying somewere like a little baby couldnt save his son,what next god is a single parent claiming state benefits lol you must be on crack cocain to understand illogical christianity :P

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz, "“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Neither are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9.

The ways of Allah remind me of a pig wallowing in the mud. His followers aren't any better.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Jesus and God were one. This is what his closest followers believed, this is what they taught, this is what they professed in his presence and he did not repudiate them. If you bothered to actually read the account instead of parroting talking points off your Islamic website, you would know this.

The opinion of a drooling goat-herd is of no consequence to me, and does not alter the truth.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco '' An old bible found in Palestine confirms the Quran story Tru '' robert beckford as christian has found a bible in palestine which confirms what islam says, in your face bitch ass hobo. god is not man, simple, god is the creator, man is created, there are also books that were not compiled into the bible, the bible you have today is just selection of books.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Oh, that's just lame. The entire Quran is the misremembered Biblical stories retold by Muhammad, and he never understood what he was trying to relate. Of course you can see parallels, he was regurgitating what he vaguely remembered. Got most of it wrong.

Beckford disagrees with much of history. You folks have people like that too, except you kill them when they say, "Hey, wait a minute." Because Islam cannot tolerate critical thinking.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco & you cant allow the muslims to have our khaliphate, that is whty your trying to enforce democracy at the point of the sword on muslims, becasue you know it too well that once we do have our khaliphate, you capistalistic economy will be replaced by ours. our islamic economy is far more superior to that of yours.so hush hush little puppy & go watch some captain america. the so called darn saviour of mankind.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco murder rape & kill then tell the world america stands for what?

ANGRY

MOTHERFUCKERS

ENGAGED IN

RACIST

INHUMANE

CRIMINAL

ACTIVITIES

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Jesus was the creation of God, The Son of God and WAS God. A difference that makes no difference is no difference. He spoke with the will of God, not his own. He spoke with the authority of God.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco 1) God is not a man (1 Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, Job 9:32 and Hosea 11:9. Jesus is a man (John 8:40 and Acts 2:22).

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz John 20:26-31 Tho9mas identified him and was not repudiated.

Matt 4:7 Jesus identifies himself. John 1:1-4, 14 identifies God as the Word, and Jesus as the Word.

Trying to explain it to you is like trying to explain color to a blind man. You haven't the ability to comprehend it, so in your ignorance, you reject it and accept the incoherent ravings of a madman instead.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@ShockfulReality Why do you suggest I learn my history when you refuse to learn your own? Your "prophet" was a paranoid schizophrenic who had auditory hallucinations. He was a thief, a murderer, a rapist, a pedophile and a thoroughly repugnant man. If he lived in any Muslims community today, you would stone him for blasphemy, as the Meccans wisely tried to do. There's something fundamentally wrong with a belief system that require that believers be killed if they quit believing.

[Fighter78647]

@SkruffyScirocco Stop saying wrong about our prophet PBUH without any proof.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@Fighter78647 LOL! You want proof? READ your own scripture! Everything I have said about Muhammad (police be upon him) is easily verifiable from the Bukhari hadith and the Sirat Rasul Allah. Like most Muslims, you pay homage to a belief system you haven't even studied!

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco as an american you as a nation are the biggest thiefs, murderers & rapists & pedophiles, so i would suggest you study the history of your pathetic tyranicall nazi fascist nation which enforces democracy at hte point of the sword in muslim lands ,if muslims are so bad please feel free to FUCK OFF out of muslim lands illegally occupied by your pisstian terrorist pigs :D

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Standard accusation, because you ignorant slobs can't figure out how a nation of moral values can create the wealth which you aspire to and we have. We stolen nothing from you goat-herds. Anything we got from you we paid for at an agreed upon price. You write your rant on an American designed computer with American software and post it on an American server.

"Muslims lands"? ALL of it taken by force at the point of a sword. Read your own history, barbarian.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco Allah blessed our muslims lands with natural resources, what would your imperialistic white devil pig industrialised nations be withour muslim natural resources ? yeah american is made in china we know, pathetic nazi fascist imperialistic apologist.at the point of the sword pisstianity & the whitemans democracy is being forced upon the masses at the point of the sword. american cant deny that. get your head out your own ass :P

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Too bad Allah didn't bless your lands with intelligence. You lot would still be herding camels. Who drilled all those wells? Americans and British. Who manufactures the equipment you use? Europeans and Americans. Who builds the cars you drive? Japanese, Americans and Europeans.

All Muslims seem to be qualified to do is scratch their fleas without help from Western civilization.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco typical whiteman thinking he has more intelligence than anyother, intelligence is knowing who the creator is & not worshiping idols e.g the cross or statue in churches that if fall cant even safe themselves yet alone anyone else lol so it was american & british who have olnty made walls, outdated cliche, the whiteman thinks he owns everything,nodoby asked for western medling in their lands, just as venezuela, china & russia.

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Cry me a river, goat-herd. When Muslim countries are building automobiles, have factories for the computer industry and can grow enough food to feed themselves, then you have something to talk about. You know nothing about Christianity except the lies told to you by insecure Muslims. Worshiping Idols? This from someone who bows towards Mecca to pray? LOL! You are a funny little man. You were born poor and you will die poor, and burn in hell with Allah.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco ok you heard it here first muslims countries dont have automobiles, and all the thing you mentioned, if we dont wantn them, ,why are we obliged to have them? simple. who made you some sort of judge? worship the cross & statues made from clay.yes exactly it is a direction of pray not an idol.mr christian is rich, thinks he has his vip to heaven already, what an easy religion. lol ok im going to burn in hell & your going to heaven? pffft

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz

Christians don't worship objects, fool. You pray in a direction that just happens to be the temple of Idols that Muhammad prayed to before he started hearing voices. You prostrate yourselves as if the direction matters. you kiss the black stone and think it will absorb your sins. Don't school me on idol worship sonny.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ didnt pray to idols, kinda sick of you making things up also.you getting a bit boring now.well who revealed to jesus عليه السلام the gospel, did he also hear voices lol as your making out that all the Prophets of Allah are mad, tut tut not going to be looking good for you once your in your grave.the direction has everything to do with it.kissing the black stone is just a sunnah, im not worshipping it like christians talk to statues

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Muhammad prayed to the idols of the Kaaba like every other Meccan before he started hearing the voices. This is documented in the Sirat Rasul Allah.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco yeah funny that , nobody else has picked up on it,yet you have quite strange lol

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Not my fault that you haven't read your own Hadith, that you're so ignorant on the foundations of the Islamic belief system. But then, the depths of your ignorance seem to have yet to be plumbed.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco have you yet read your bible? have you ever memorised the bible by heart? do you even have a bible in it original form & original language? ok we know your a white american & due to your skin colour being white, you know it all but take a chill pill :P

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz every other true prophet heard God directly. Muhammad just heard what he identified as an angel. Every other prophet shunned worldly things to follow God, Muhammad embraced wealth and sexual liberties and used his position as the mouthpiece of a God only he could hear to promote himself and his lifestyle. Other prophets performed miracles, Muhammad admitted he could do nothing of the sort.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco '' A Jew explains why Allah is the one and only God ''

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Other prophets predicted proximate events that came to pass. The closest Muhammad came to this was predicting where his she-camel had wandered off to - hardly a miraculous feat.

[a717575]

@SkruffyScirocco u r joking right..

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco yeah we know about christians & how christians know about predicting the end of the world, it never happens ,quite a shame really. lol

[SkruffyScirocco]

@harrysafraz Apparently you're ignorant about the meaning of "proximate".

Invest in a dictionary. Then perhaps invest in an education. The one you have doesn't work very well.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco your also ignorant, being a whiteman, you have too much pride, either swallow it or someone will make you choke on it.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco the sooner all christian being to practice celibacy, the better it would be for mankind, go to the moon wile your at it & live there practice monastism also.

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco & who made you judge? captain america lol

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco you really shouldnt hold your farts in,it seems that the gas is travelling to your head & this is the caause of yout shitty ideas & thoughts lol

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco since your so modern, perhaps you should take out your lungs from your chest insert them into you but cheeks & breath through your butt hole, as your so modern, wont want anyone thinking your soo medieval & backwards now lol

[harrysafraz]

@SkruffyScirocco tari bai ni phudi mara, well your ignorant becaseu you dont know hat i said & you never will, invest yourself in a education. gandu ni ulad, sewer ni tati lol

[ccamful]

@harrysafraz 2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”

the man if u want to call him that was pure and simple a murderer.

in case u are not familiar with muhammad being a cross dresser please respond to this and i will gladly quote from islamic writing that talk about him wearing his wife clothing with he has his vision. and this is the man u follow?

u come online and attempt to ridicule people. you really should look at what u follow

[9lizexxx]

@ccamful first of all, the word fight them is an english word cuz in the arabic its mentioned to DEAL with them best way of action. this is your problem, the bible was written in Aramiac original script, when u change original script into greek then english, not only u have lost the content but also the art of speech of wisdom. there is no mention any where prophet muhammad wear his wive's clothes, rather it is the hate u have for truth made u say stuff like that. ur bible humilates all prophets

[9lizexxx]

@ccamful ur bible humiliates all prophets while islam respects them all including jesus. in the 100 different bibles that u have speaks about the nakedness of noah when he got drunk...do u think god is gonna send someone like that to listen to? i wouldnt do that, would you? in ur bible, jesus called his mother "o WOMAN!" how insulting is that.& u claim ur books r purer than the quran u never opened ur eyes to actually read 1 chapter? u pick words here & there from ppl but u never read the script

[9lizexxx]

@ccamful for u christians, u make sarcastic cartoons of moses and jesus like south park, family guy & non of u do jack thing about it? these prophets arent regular ppl like u and I. those are God chosen prophets...and u ppl humiliate them like that? I dont believe u love jesus cuz if u did, you would've respected everyone. as a muslim, I'm more of a christian than the church priest ever be, cuz we have the prove from God himself about jesus & many those prophets u ppl humiliated them in ur books

[9lizexxx]

@ccamful ur bible was written by 4 ppl mark luke john & mathew years after da christ while Quran was sent during Muhammad was there just like Moses. go understand da history of Abraham, go read deuteronomy 18:18-19, go read songs of solomon in HEBREW script 5:16 not in english since its a deceptive language. once u do that, then start talking rather than speaking without using ur brain. Truth hurts but thats ur ego speaks on behalf of u. islam is da only religion protects jesus and all prophets

[harrysafraz]

@ccamful the verse of the Quran which your quoted ''Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.'' 2:193 let me explain this for you,as your a bit drunk or on crack cocain or something. the word fitna means what? "causing problems between people"

[harrysafraz]

@ccamful why do you have a problem with that verse? if any racist canadian wants to come to afghanistan like your terrorist soliders are & raping & killing innocent civilians then they should be fought, why? because they are nazi fascists & thiefs who hav illegally invaded & occupied.if you afree with that, then a thief has th right to kick you out your house & live in it :)

[harrysafraz]

@ccamful you failed to quote the full verse 2:193 why? because ''But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.'' has the answer to your disease, so you can quote out of context & you can use all the devilish tackticks you want, i know & you know deep down, your just sad & absolutely pathetic :D the quran teaches me too figh against aggression & it doesnt have to be a physical fight, something, you deluded brain will never understand :P