@coolsdon. Did you know that a fair few (left leaning) exIRA men joined the British Army during WW2 because they realised the threat from th Nazis. Funny how history makes traditional enemies into allies in the face of an even worse threat. I' m not sure it would have been a good idea for Ireland to enter the War after just coming out of a War of Independence then a civil war, though I heard an end to partition was offerred if we had. In other words, Ulster would have been Irish
Ha,Don't make me laugh.Do you know what would have happened if we declined the eu bailout. German,French and english banks which would fail which would cause a depression. And just so you know its not a "bailout" when you are paying back the loans with interest. Wow are you really this stupid.
We had a badly equipped army of seven thousand man and had a very,very small air force. The only possible advantage we could of offered to the allies would to give them are ports which i sincerely doubt hitler would stand for and would immediately declare war. Not to mention many people still remembered the terrible acts committed by the black and tans and would not allow any british troops near Ireland. Dev made the right choice staying neutral.
@Grumpy587 i thought Churchill offered Eire the north in return for the use of its ports?
I would disagree with your submission that Ireland did the right thing in remaining neutral ,against Hitler?It would have been a plus point in their book and would have made the poor relationship with the UK a lot happier a lot earlier,we only now have what could be called a normal relationship,(visit of Queen, lending Ireland cash,Father Ted)sadly the chance wasn`t taken.
He did but dev knew that all unionists would decline the proposal and refused the offer. The reason it was better to stay neutral was the fact that the treaty that was basically forced upon Ireland and would not give them a republic which was the whole point of the rebellion. You could not expect people who have fought for there freedom for years to stand and fight with the people who have tormented and still not given them there freedom for years. Could you?
Yeah it was much better to be under Nazi occupation, than do anything that might help the Auld Enemy! Never mind the fact, that you would have been standing shoulder to shoulder with your, erm, "Northern Brothers" and celtic cousins the Scots & Welsh, against a Tyrant that was set on total European dominance and complete Ethnic cleansing.
And if Churchill's offer were not serious, then why hide it for the next 30 years?? He never even took it the Dail!
@Grumpy587 ,well i can`t say what certain elements of the British army did in Ireland,i`m sure they were bad eggs as you say but if you look in other areas of WW2 people who didnt get along joined together such as the nationalists and communists in China .
Good point. Even the Indians, (who had many grudges against Britain), with the support of Gandhi stood against the Nazi filth, and Gandhi himself was scathing of the danger Fascism was to the World!
You have to choose your battles, and in the case of WW2, Old Blighty or the "Devil you Know", was certainly the right choice!
@Buckleypm Ireland HAS ALWAYS been piss,it still is today for Christs sake!! So Britain caused WW2 did it? Yes of course. De Velara was a coward and closet Nazi sympathizer as Churchill rightly suspected.When Britain was faced with a Nazi invasion we stood up to Hitler and faught off the Luftwaffe in in the Battle of Britain, if we hadn't the useless Irish would have speaking German and not Gay-lick!! Your grammar,by the way, would make a four year old blush! Don't bother me with any more shit
@Buckleypm Ireland HAS ALWAYS been piss,it still is today for Christs sake!! So Britain caused WW2 did it? Yes of course. De Velara was a coward and closet Nazi sympathizer as Churchill rightly suspected.When Britain was faced with a Nazi invasion we stood up to Hitler and faught off the Luftwaffe in in the Battle of Britain, if we hadn't the useless Irish would have speaking German and not Gay-lick!! Your grammar,by the way, would make a four year old blush! Don't bother me with any more shit
@Buckleypm Ireland HAS ALWAYS been piss,it still is today for Christs sake!! So Britain caused WW2 did it? Yes of course. De Velara was a coward and closet Nazi sympathizer as Churchill rightly suspected.When Britain was faced with a Nazi invasion we stood up to Hitler and faught off the Luftwaffe in in the Battle of Britain, if we hadn't the useless Irish would have speaking German and not Gay-lick!! Your grammar,by the way, would make a four year old blush! Don't bother me with any more shit!
@Buckleypm I've met some thick cunts in my time but you really stand out.Where the hell did you get your imformation from?? Firstly GREAT BRITAIN (not England) ther is no such thing as an English govt!! was not attacked at all. GB and France declared on Germany in defense of Poland which is the point WW2 began.Unlike the US who only joined in when they were themselves attacked.GB did it over in support of another country.Hitler expanded his navy in defiance of international law you prick
@coolsdon 'GB and France declared [war] on Germany in defense of Poland which is the point WW2 began'.
The UK declared war on Germany was because it was in it its own interests to do so. If the UK went to war to in defence of Poland' as you claim, why didn't they declare war on the Soviets too?!
Poland was merely a line in the sand, a Cassus belli for the UK and France to take action against German expansion which threatened their interests. The truth is a bit less noble.
@jratt2 it`s not ignoble is it,to declare war on nazism?Why was it in the UK`s interest to declare war on Hitler?All it got us was death,destruction, bankruptcy and a fucking great loan owed to the USA who then effectively took over the UK`s interests in the world.Two world wars lost us all we had,except our honour as being the only country left standing against Hitler,sadly our former citizens across the Irish Sea didn`t fancy standing up against the Hun,even if it was with loathed Brits.
@bazzatheblue If you were partly responsible for creating the conditions that led to Nazism then it should be Britain that helped fix the problem. Death and destruction never stopped the UK from fighting wars before and the UK had no idea it would be bankrupted by WW2 when began in 1939.
The Irish only became 'citizens' upon the adoption of the 1937 constitution. Sadly, the brutal War of Independence resulted in us having two potential invaders, one of them German.
@jratt2 pray tell how the UK created the conditions for Nazism?Please don`t bring up the old Versailles chestnut ,the Nazi`s themselves loved that one.
You are right that GB has never been shy of fighting a war but neither has any great power,it`s part of the business isn`t it?!Most people in the UK didn`t want war ,that`s why Munich happend.If you think fighting Hitler was somehow going to get the British some kind of gain you are wrong.
@bazzatheblue 'pray tell how the UK created the conditions for Nazism?Please don`t bring up the old Versailles chestnut ,the Nazi`s themselves loved that one'
You needn't bother trying to link Versailles to the Nazis in that manner. Versailles was the reason, France was the vengeful party and Britain signed off on it anyway.
Fighting Hitler wasn't about 'some kind of gain' for the UK, so no, I don't think that. It was about maintaining the power balance status quo in Europe!
@jratt2 well true to a degree,Britain have had a history of opposing the more overbearing continental powers(Louis IV,Napoleon Philip 2 even Kaiser Bill)but i think the Nazi`s were of a different stamp to all those.
@bazzatheblue Really? In 1939 the Nazis were clearly a nasty piece of work but were hardly extraordinary. Stalin on the other hand had commited genocide against the Ukrainians in the 1930s and yet no action was taken against that his 'overbearing power' when he invaded Eastern Poland in September 1939. So something else motivated Britain and France: the balance of power, the status quo, in Europe.
@jratt2 i mentioned the balance of power thing in Europe in a previous message.It`s true Stalin was a terrible man as was his regime,i suppose you are right in that neither the UK of France opposed the USSR invading east Poland,though technically the Soviets would say it was their land as the Poles took and kept it when the USSR was in civil war .That was the excuse i think, also Germany was too close to the UK and France for Hitler to be allowed any more room to invade his neighbours.
@bazzatheblue Except of course that the Germans claimed parts of Poland like the Soviets. It was Hitlers plans to expand east that bothered the two traditional powers of Europe as the Germans were empire building.It appears therefore that they declared war to protect their own national interests.
If it was just another tiff between great powers, it sound like a rather ignoble affair. Why should Eire have joined in? And why shouldn't Eire also act in its own interest?
@jratt2 ,i fail to see how UK/France fighting the Third Reich was to protect national interests.The war effectively ended Britain`s time as a top power,and made her bankrupt.
Surely Britain and France were right to declare war on Hitler,no one , Ireland would not prosper from Germany ruling over the continent,i know Ireland wanted to walk a different path from the UK`s but maybe sometimes it`s better to pitch in with the devil you know ,don`t you think?
@jratt2 Certainly Germany was severely penalised after WW1 but can anyone tell me what penaties were put onto Austia-Hungary who were the ones who actually started the war after the murder of Archduke Ferdinand, Germany just fulfilled their treaty obligations
@sandyrow100 'Certainly Germany was severely penalised after WW1 but can anyone tell me what penaties were put onto Austia-Hungary who were the ones who actually started the war after the murder of Archduke Ferdinand, Germany just fulfilled their treaty obligations'
@coolsdon 'GB and France declared [war] on Germany in defense of Poland which is the point WW2 began'.
The UK declared war on Germany was because it was in it its own interests to do so. If the UK went to war to in defence of Poland' as you claim, why didn't they declare war on the Soviets too?!
Poland was merely a line in the sand, a Cassus belli for the UK and France to take action against German expansion which threatened their interests. The truth is a bit less noble.
Let the Catholic Chuch dominate the country and continue its mental, sexual and physical abuse of those who were defenceless! How many Allied lives were lost because he refused to help defeat the Nazis?
Allowed German war criminals to settle in Eire post 1945. Watch the RTE documenatry!
@RichardElden Well, Dublin is smiling still, despite everything...........and fascism is overcome and turned out of every country, one by one. Ever felt you were backing the wrong horse, have you?
How would you know what he hoped? Ireland neutrality was smart. Too many Irish died because of England. Ireland is England's shame. Ireland was neutral and it more than England deserved.
@paddycentered Irelands neutrality was smart? Yeah right.How about cowardly and oportunistic? Churchill more than any other leader realized the HUGE threat posed from Hitlers National Socialism and saw it early on. He acted on it by taking Germany on and declaring war (with France) over Poland and was vinicated by the Allies destruction of the Nazi war machine.What did Ireland do?,sit on it's hands and look the other way.Keep your 'Plastic Paddy' view of the world to that side of the Atlantic!
@coolsdon 'Cowardly and Oportunistic (sic)'. It was certainly a great opportunity to express an independent foreign policy, it was pragmatic as we could not defend ourselves and could not rely on the British as they have always put themselves first and was not cowardly: we faced a threat from both an evil Hitler and a bellicose, vindictive Churchill and that took courage. And it wasn't your hero Churchill who declared war on Germay - it was Chamberlain! Doh!
@coolsdon Ireland remained neutral for every good reason. Hitler was nothing to them compared to English brutality. Hitler only copied England's actions toward Ireland, consider the intentional repopulation of Ireland with Protestant Scott populations so as to destabilize indigenous Irish population in Northern Ireland. It is England's legacy to Ireland today. It is a legacy outlasting Hitler's crimes. It was ingenious albeit diabolical to "legitimize" those crimes with a vote.
You are seriously retarded, like most Plastic Paddy Yanks sadly!
In around 5 years Hitler's "Final Solution" wiped out of Existence, 75% of ALL European Jews! If there WAS ANY comparison between England/ Britain and NAZI Germany, then just what do you think the Brits could have done to the Irish during 800 years of mastery, if they had wanted to?
You need to read some history & perhaps then you'll be less of an idiot!
@coolsdon Ireland had its own problems to deal with. Also it didn't seem like the best plan to go fight with the same army that has terrorized your country and be treated like shit by them. For an Irish man in the 1940s, the British and the Nazis were much the same.
@coolsdon ireland wasnt as neutral as u think. relations of mine and i know alot of people who had grandads great uncles ect.died in war fighting the germans.
Reply to all people who think Irish are nazi terrorists: Dev was an inspiring character, and for a man who was offered something he once fought for (32 county Ireland), but denying it in the best interest of his country, is inspirational to anyone. So what if he spoke after hitlers death, we were just recently broken away from a horrible british rule, and the irish didnt know the half of what hitler did. Also not every irishman is IRA, so stop steroeptyping our country, we you guys alone!
The fact remains that Northern Ireland has been occupied and manipulated economically as a gesture of tactical suppression. This is undeniable. If it were the good will of the UK then the empire would release control of Ireland and establish proper economic trade. In this day and age there's no reason for such a lack of diplomacy. Believe it. Ireland is of military tactical advantage due to its proximity to the UK. There will be dissidents in face of oppression. Diplomacy mustn't fail.
Churchill "could've invaded the Free State but didn't" - I think you'll find he shit his pants when the USA said they would back Ireland if England invaded.
@sXeLodge Notice he didn't evade Ireland, Churchill may have been upset but he was smart enough to know we meant it. I am proud the USA backed Ireland. Joseph Kennedy was our ambassador to England. It was a subtle message. What he think we do? I'm surprised Churchill would have been nonplussed? Did he think Irish Americans had poor memories?
@paddycentered Listening to DeValera speak just reminds me of the hypocracy this US citizen. A "brave" man who used his US citizenship to save himself from being executed. In fact most Irish-Americans arehypocrites as they either passively or actively supported the repression and murder of Native Americans who incidentally did not receive US citenzenship until the 1960s, there was also the involvement in the support of slavery
@sandyrow100 You're dead wrong about our Indians. Many Indians had become US citizens even before the Snyder Act of 1924, which vastly expanded the numbers of Indians who were granted citizenship. Congress passed the Nationality Act in 1940 and that essentially completed the process.
I note that you are ignoring the arguments for 'tribal' Indians NOT being made US citziens- the biggest of which is that many of them were already members of legitimate, legally recognized nations,
Why the fuck would Ireland help Britain when Ireland has been fighting Britain up to the point of when Britain wanted help from Ireland? Churchill was a fucking hypocrite!
@salian66 Have ya ever seen an Irish with a tan...??? Seriously, I think there is more to it than yer stupid hatred against everything and everyone.... There are actually nazis, or neonazis if ya like, who still honours the IRA... Never minding the left wing there... At least that's what I'm told... Tiocfaidh ar la.
De Valera refused Churchill offers of the six counties in return for entering the war because he knew too well that if Churchill had followed through on the deal that unionists in the north would never had excepted it an led to further blood shed. De Valera was like it or not a great politician. And as for Hitler, Hitler had great respect for the British empire, he marveled at how such a small country geographically managed to control such a large empire. He had no wished to invade England.
do you think hitler would have offered you morons anything?he would have squashed you, if you thought the tans were bad.he would have used eire for the invasion of u.s.a as a staging post what would de valera say "no you don,t" while ira vermin were still bombing british cities,you wonder why the hatred was mutual.....
I have read the German plans for the occupation of most of the nations of Europe the UK is the one nation that only had plans for an occupation but also plans to leave the question of Ireland was not brought up but under the list of provincial cities for German occupation headquarters were both Dublin and Belfast Germany was going to leave Ireland"s future to be decided by London
@brianboru2010 Ireland were held under British rule for 700 years, the ultimate sign of independence was neutrality in a world war, If they had of fought in the war they would of taken the allies side which included Britain so if Ireland had of fought in the war they would have still been seen as part of the British empire. Thats why they remained neutral so no shame on Ireland :)
Think everyone needs to chill out! Hitler didnt win so who knows what would have happened, and had he won i doubt Ireland would have been left alone. As for this Britain vs Ireland shit, give it a rest, its really boring to see the same petty arguments. people need to remember the decisions were made by people who are dead, and its not the current populations fault. People in the world jus need to get along instead of holding histo grudgs and judge every person individually
@samittysam hear hear. I also hope to see a time when we have no borders, no religions, no tatty flags to wrap ourselves in and no political masters. I have given all this up in recent years because I realised that our problems have always been purely technical not political. Take any problem that you have now for instance. Politicians cant sort them out for us can they? They certainly havent yet.
@samittysam but mate its SOME SOME english basterds that are doing the fighting do you see an irish person here going mental and telling us that are country is a charity box like this is patrick he cannot affored fake tan for his daughters holy communion
@samittysam but mate its SOME SOME english basterds that are doing the fighting do you see an irish person here going mental and telling us that are country is a charity box like this is patrick he cannot affored fake tan for his daughters holy communion please send 7 euro now to make this girl look like an orange
All the research I did is that this man Éamon de Valera has Irish blood on his hand, because he hope that Germany would win. Churchill was willing to give the Irish what they wanted. This is the problem with people that truly don't fell the effects of war, it all theory to them. I don't understand how he became so popular in such a great country.
@godbrother10 You're right. He wouldn't offer toilet paper that his servants used to wipe his British arse. I used to admire him as a leader, until I realized how he had power to help Ireland. I know he wouldn't free it, but to at least give some kind of benefit. The English would do it for Beijing or India, but not for the coumtry with the most heart? I'm American, but I lived there, I play hurling in the U.S, and I'd bleed & die for Éire...Óglaigh na hÉireann forever brothers.
@jeffofpa De Valera didnt want Germany to win and he stayed neutral because if Ireland was on Britain's side and britain had fallen to Germany. what would happen to Ireland? Irelands popultaion is just over 4.5 million now and back then Germanys army was way higher than Ireland's population, theGermans could have wiped the irish out, that why ireland stayed neutral.....
@jeffofpa Not only did Churchill offer nothing, he even considered it perfectly acceptable to invade Ireland to retake the 3 seaports including Cork, that felt he he needed to ensure Britain's safety at sea
@jeffofpa You did research on Dev? Where did you find that he hoped the Nazis would win?? It is nonsense. Churchill offered NI without consulting the unionist majority, it was undeliverable and a demonstration of how easily the UK would sell out its friends to save itself. Being neutral was the democratic will of the Irish people. Protecting this mandate from US and UK pressure to fight (ironically fighting to preserve democracy) was one of the reasons he remained so popular for so long.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about why Ireland stayed neutral in WW2. Does it really take a genius to figure out why Ireland would not want to fight alongside the British, who are responsible for 800 years of murder, rape and terror in Ireland, and the slaughter of millions of Irish people? The Brits are the Nazis of Ireland. Let's also remember that Britain created the first concentration camps in the Boer War. Yep, can't see why the Irish wouldn't want to fight alongside the Brits.
Why the hell did 60,000 Irishmen volunteer to fight with the Brits, in their army, in WW2 then? And who was WW2 between again?
And when/where did this "slaughter of millions of Irish people" take place? Point me to one respected historian who can back up that claim! I'd love to see it.
Oh, and the Brits didn't invent the concentration camps. A Times journalist, coined the term "concentration camp", quite a different thing!
@DonegalRaymie201 So the 800 years of oppression that England is responsible for in Ireland is all made up? You use the argument that because there was nobody doing a specific count of the number of Irish people killed by the English over 8 centuries, then that means that the 8 centuries of oppression didn't take place at all. If you truly think that Irish people have no reason to dislike the English then you obviously live in a fantasy world.
First off, you said "The Brits are the Nazis of Ireland"!
Well that's wrong on so many levels:
1. The Nazis were a political ideology, not a Nationality! So to compare like with like, you have to say: "The Brits are the Germans of Ireland" or "The Tories are the Nazis of ireland" see?
2. In 6 years, the Nazis exterminated 75% of the Jewish People in the whole of Europe! Just imagine what the Brits could have done in 800years to the Irish, if they were like Nazis!
What you have to remember is that Eire is what it is because of England.
The irish only became united as they have today because of independence from a colonial power. Thats why I see no point in attack England or Britain generally.
War and empire have moved all our ancestors, longed before they were even Irish.
@kizward I wasn't trying to say that Irish people didn't join the British army to stop the Nazis. I know they did. I'm saying there is a damn good reason why the country itself did not get involved in WW2. We had our own problems to deal with and fighting alongside the Brits who are responsible for 8 centuries of terrorism against our people was not exactly appealing to the Irish government or the Irish people.
@Eire7780 dont forget ireland had a tiny inexperienced army that had none of the modern technology of the time such as tanks and automatic weapons not to mention a negligible airforce that would have been destroyed by the luftwaffe. your right , it isnt any wonder we stayed neutral.
@DonegalRaymie201 Yes but had ireland entered the war on the side of britain dublin would have been levelled in mere weeks, having no air defences it took great courage from de valera to stand up to brittish and american pressure to join the war, by doing so he protected his people from german bombs. yes hitler did have a plan to invade ireland, "operation green" but he didnt bother wasting men on ireland as hostile britain was a more valuable target. dev saved a lot of irish lives by neutrality
Nah, London was the prime & easiest target! It would have been very difficult & pointless to overfly all of Industrial England just to bomb Dublin! Eire had no Industrial, strategic targets, just Belfast, which was of course in the War anyway!
Did he save Irish lives? Dev cost many Irish & Allied lives in the Merchant Navy by refusing use of the Atlantic ports for convoy protection.
I don't think Dev brave at all, but the Irish who fought were!
@DonegalRaymie201 No one is saying they were not brave but most didnt sign up to defeat the nazis, they signed up due to high unemployment much like in world war 1. had he allowed them use the ports the germans would have declared war and punished the irish for helping the allies by bombing dublin, much like they did when dev sent fire brigades to belfast after the bombing there, they bombed dublin as a warning not to aid the allies, so yes did save many irish lives by neutrality
That's rubbish! What kind of an idiot would sign up as a Soldier in WAR Time, just for the pittence they were paid? There was a chronic labour shortage in the UK during WW2, which required women and children doing men's work for the first time! 100s of 1000s of Irish went to work in the UK's heavy industry, munition factories & farms etc during WW2.
Those who fought, did so out of conscience, not need! That, and they at least saw, that Eire's survival needed the UK's!
@DonegalRaymie201 there was a small minority of irish men who signed up for adventure or for englands defense but if you ask any creible historian the majority of those who signed up, did so for the seperation allowance paid to there families aswell as the wages they received. No one at the time knew of the uspeakable attrocities the nazis were commiting therefore there was no moral obligation to fight them only monetary neccesity, the "idiots" needed the money to keep their children alive
Utter crap! 5000 Free State Soldiers, (who obviously had jobs), deserted and joined the British Army in WW2! Dev blacklisted them, McCarthy style, for the rest of their lives, so they could not be employed in Eire!
Everyone in power knew about the "Final Solution" by late 1941, and a Rabbi Yaakov Herzog, spoke to the Dail in early '42, pleading that "his people were being systematically exterminated" by the Nazis!
The "we had no idea" excuses were blown right out the window!
@DonegalRaymie201 You are looking at it in hindsight where its obvious what hitler did, at the time in ireland there was strict censorship of information regarding the war, and the period was rife with propaganda, any claims such as that would be seen as propaganda to entice ireland to fight, So the vast majority of people signing up wouldnt have had a clue about the final solution, as for the free state soldiers, they wanted action, the majority of the rest signed up for the seperation alowance
You are ignoring the fact that there was a chronic labour shortage in the UK, no shortage of jobs! And whilst Dev did censor the Irish press, he couldn't stop the BBC (or Lord Haw Haw) radio broadcasts being received in Eire.!
Worth bearing in mind too, that then as now, there would be scarce a family in Eire who didn't have relatives in UK, under the bombs! And family trumps politics.
Why ru so keen to dismiss Eire's bravest as mere mercenaries?
@DonegalRaymie201 I have nothing but respect for them, and i do not view them as mercenaries, yes i am quite aware of the labour shortage, but anyone who was fit for service was enouraged to join the army, not the factories. you were paid a wage and a seperation allowance to your families, there are multiple reasons why people signed up but the main reason for most of them was neccesity, as for lord haw haw, he was anti british if anyone took him seriously it would discourage them from signin up
Wait a minute, maybe you know something I don't: "anyone who was fit for service was enouraged to join the army," ?? The British Army?
Encouraged by whom? Dev maintained that Neutrality was the only course for Irishmen: Absolutely nothing swayed him from that view! Even when the full blown Horror of the Holocaust became public, Dev could not bring himself to even condemn the Nazis, because he was so wedded to Neutrality!
I meant Lord Haw Haw's famous "Easter eggs for Belfast" broadcast
@DonegalRaymie201 they were encouraged by the british goverment rather then work in factories. Ya i know how stringent he was on neutrality, i never said he wasnt, what I am saying is that there were many reasons for irish men joining the british army but one of the main ones was to put food on the table for their families. dev realised the free state couldnt take on a modernised army like germany he did save many irish lives by enforcing it whether the world viewed it as cowardice or not
Oh, I see. You mean the Irish already living in the UK. Yes, there would have been pressure, especially peer pressure from work colleagues who joined up, (or were called up!), to join up too.
But I can't buy the reason, that most joined-up for the pay? Soldiers aren't paid well, and there was no shortage of civvy work. I mean would you? Sign up to the Army, in a time of War, (not knowing if it was even a War that could be won), to face up to the most efficient army ever assembled?
@DonegalRaymie201 The people who signed up who had families were paid an extra seperation allowance, this is what attracted them over civilian work, it must have been a difficult choice to risk your life, but it was the best way to feed a large familie which most people had at the time, it also ment 1 less mouth to feed in the familie, there were countless other reasons for signing up but the seperation allowance is widely accepted as the main 1 and yes i do think they were incredibly brave
I'll have to read up on this Separation Allowance thing, see what it was worth etc, but it leaves this lingering doubt about why men would take a 1 in 3/4 gamble on dying in a War, if they didn't believe in it!
And if it was "just for the money", then why were the men who fought treated so bably when they returned, (those that did return), and shunned as "Traitors" by those who stayed home?
@DonegalRaymie201 Its a fathers sacrifice for his wife and children it was incredibly brave for them to risk there lives like that not for money but for their families quality of life and survival, Ya i do see your point, they were treated badly when they returned which was an appaling way of treating vets, there was a taboo on serving the brittish army following the huge scale loss of life in ww1 and the reprisals carried out by the british forces during the anglo-irish war aswell as partiton,
@Pat121V Strange how its the irish who are the only people to use the term Anglo Irish war. There was no war old boy, for if there had of been, Ireland would be not the state it is today!
@MrBigfatbloke No ive heard the british call it the anglo irish war in documentarys theyve made about it.That being said you probabaly werent taught about it in school.
@jimmy27paul No something that insignificant in global history is not taught in our schools. If it had been a war, then the irish would have been wiped out, thats why it was indeed only an insurrection at a time when no one really cared.....the aftermath of WW1 and a flu pandemic that killed more than WW1 itself. You people have a sense of entitlement that is not matched by your world status
@MrBigfatbloke Im fairly sure there was a war, with british soldiers and black and tans fighting irish soldiers, then again maybe your right, maybe they made it all up........
@Pat121V If there had been a war, there would have been three divisions of British troops, 4 battlships in the Liffey and the new RAF dropping bombs on the filth.. Now did that happen? The only war is in the turgid imagination of the mick.
@MrBigfatbloke Right your racial bias is evident from your comments ive been reading, Its called a guerrilla war with ambushes on british troops, they were fighting an invisible enemy and by the way, they lost, The only way they could fight back was by scum like the black and tans massacaring innocent women and children. if you know anything about history you would know this. Not only was the raf a fledgling organisation at the time, planes were not equiped to drop bombs. By the way "mick"?
@Pat121V It was an insurrection, perhaps you should o and find out the difference! And by 1919, the RAf was a highly skilled and technical organisation capable of dropping enough bobs to obliterate every irish city and town, with impunity. But why are you reducing this to a pissing contest! It is obvious to the menaest of intelligence that if it had been a war, then Ireland would have been destroyed. Now get real!
@MrBigfatbloke You clearly have no clue about the RAF. planes at the time were largely used for recon missions, they were nowhere near the planes of ww2, that is a fact. There was a war, similar to the one fought in viet nam and modern day iraq and afghanistan, Its called gurrillea warfare, that is also a fact. There was a war, large parts of ireland were damaged, you dont know too much about irish or english history if you cant understand this
@Pat121V Well you are not an expert on aviation and aviation history are you....Try the Vickers Vimy and Handley Page 0/400 for starters, and then SE5, DeHavilland DH9.. Clueless! And there was no war, an insurrection, that is all! You are quite some fool arent you!
@MrBigfatbloke im the fool? those aircraft were notriously unreliable and were not deigned for bombing cities, You can call it an insurrection if you like but by that logic so was the american revoloution. By the look of your channel and comments im guessing you are brittish, and have racist views towards irish people, so basically i dont care what your biased views are. there was a war, it was an bloody period of anglo/irish history and unfortunately a neccesity, that is a historical fact.
@Pat121V For bombing cities was exactly what they were designed for and used for. Look, dont argue about something you obviously know zip about, it makes you look a bigger fool than you already are. There was no war in Ireland in the early 20th century, only an insurrection and it wasnt really that bloody at all. If it had been a war, said before, there would have been bombs dropped by the RAF, 3 divisions of British Army and a squadron of Royal Navy ships in the Liffey, now get real you dope.
@MrBigfatbloke Google those palnes you mentioned, the planes had tiny payloads and a tiny range compared to ww2 planes, it doesnt matter how many divisons they had it was a gurrilea war, also why bomb irish cities which were currently under brittish control and why put battleships in the liffey when dublin was under brittish control? Your knowledge of irish history is poor so dont act you know anything about it, there is more then one type of warfare. The war did happen britain lost get over it
@Pat121V Insurrection, that is all, go and look up the word. No guerilla war. I think you "people" like to call it war because you have a false sense of entitlement in that you all think you are equal to the UK and you are not! As for the aircrraft of 1919-1925, they were more than adequate.
No war, a country that was of no interest, no resource The only thing that was assured was the constant whine from the bog
@MrBigfatbloke Right i didnt realise I was dealing with a thick headed rascist. There is no point arguing with you because you clearly influnced by bias, Ask any credible historian and they will tell you it was a war, in my opinion you dont want to accept it as a war because that would have ment the "mighty" brittish empire lost to a tiny nation. You can call it what you like but myself and anyone else with any common sense will accept the view of actual historians, not some bigot on youtube
@Pat121V Bias? Racists for why, telling it how it is? My assertion about an over blown sense of entitlement was correct, you do think yuour are equal as a country dont you? What dellusional crapola. nd no you fool, there was no war, only an insurrection...it some how demaens you "people" to think you were no more than a gnats bite on our arses...that is all it was. As for bigot, in true mick style, pot calls to kettle!
@MrBigfatbloke I dont care what your opinion is, no one does, you are a thick bigot, I have not written one rascist comment, before this arguement descends into an even more idiotic one im going to stop replying to your stupid rascist comments. You can believe what you like, you can say what you like i dont care. Myself and the rest of the world all know you are wrong. enjoy the rest of your pathetic life having stupid arguements on youtube.
@Pat121V And no one really cares about the Irish opinion... a small nation of 4.5 million who for some reason, believe they are equal to the big boys... Not so, in fact the ROI is bankrupt! Like a child given riches beyond dreams, feclessly frttiered away and now, and now the little country expects the rest of us to pay. The rest of the world know I am right and why? I write only facts, historical fact...eg., RAF bomber circa 1919
Research it on bbc history or brittanica encyclopedia.
argue your idiotic views with these guys instead if you think your so right. Now piss off and stop replying, i dont give a shit about your rascit hatefilled views.
@Pat121V I do my research in a library not the via the warped and biased views of google inputs. I dont have idiotic views just the facst and it seems that when you tell the truth, you are accused of racism. Yet you seem to believe you can say any perjorative nonsense you want about the British with impunity. It is anathema to me that you make such stupid statements and then wail and gnash your teeth when the facts are pointed out to you.
@MrBigfatbloke Oh no your right, bbc history and the brittanica encylopedia have warped views and you are the foun tain of all knowledege. Then again maybe not.What "perjorative nonsense" have i said about the british?? Also i didnt realise calling irish people "micks" was a fact
I didnt realise a "a constant whine from the bog" was a fact
Fuck off, you are a racist with your small minded views, and no one, not even your own people gives a shit about your opinions
@Pat121V There you go, tell the truth and historical fact and all of a sudden you are racist! You have written childish nonsense about everything.....and when corrected, you react like a child..
@MrBigfatbloke Right, im done talking to you, i can actually feel myself getting stupider every time i read one of you idiotic racist comments. by the looks of your channel you enjoy having pathetic arguements on youtube, have fun doing that for the rest of your sad life.
@Pat121V To add, it is OK for you to say what you want about the British and yet, woe betied anyone who gives it back to you in kind, especially if they are English, oh that wont do will it, then it is racist! Get real!
de valera was a scumbag he let the brittish fly over donegal during ww2 should and he also opened internment camps in kildare to lock up the i.r.a. wat sort of an (irish) would do that and yes i would rather speal german than english
Well your English is shocking, so that must make you a real Patriot!
It's not the speaking of German that would bother me, (fine language as it is!), it's the living under a Nazi Dictatorship & sharing in the dream of the Third Reich, for an Aryan Empire from the Urals to the Atlantic!
Something about Hitler's ideology doesn't sit right with me! Can't think why.....
Christ, you're an embarrasment to any Irishman who once called themselves Republicans!
You call Dev a "scumbag" for what little help he gave the Allies, and state that you'd rather speak German than English. What else can that mean, other than you wish the Nazis had triumphed over the Brits in WW2?
You're a disgrace to the thousands of Irish who fought & died fighting Hitler! How many Irish fought for the Third Reich?
@jratt2 yes thats one hundred per cent right i hate every inch of the british state and wish hitler wiped them off the face of the earth there stil in the 6 countys of northeast ireland and i hate them for that reason
@40supple Read Mein Kampf; Hitler hated catholics. Had England fallen it would have been left more or less intact, like Gurnsey was, but Ireland was next for the Concentration Camps.
@BradBrassman hey the brits did worse things than that they killed innocent men and made there family watch i do not associate todays IRA with the heroes of 1916 ireland is a small nation that was bullied by the brits for 800 years how would you have liked it mate
@12345TheRonan We were, dont you see? The so called ruling classes that trod your people down, did it first to us. The Normans who "harrowed the north", from Nottingham upwards, then came to Ireland under a man called Strongbow. Through the martyrs of 1916, and since the free state of 1922, you at least have some of your country back, but most of ours is still tied up in landed estates and illegal purchases such as the enclosures acts, just like in Erin.
@40supple Yes, but you wouldnt have bee given the chance would you? You'd have been pulled blubbing from yer ma, gassed and gone up the chimney, with all the rest. If you tell me you'd have preffered that than to speak English then I will wonder at your sanity. Nobody here cares about what a few minority irish "want". especially as all we have are our day to day struggles like you do. How many more times, Its not our fault, and all those who made wrong desicions in the 20's are dead now.
@40supple why don't you? Besides the Germans had no plans to make you speak German Hitler did not want to fight Britain once France fell he offered Britain extremely generous terms if Britain recognized German hegemony on the Continent he would leave the British Isles including the Free State to London and even offered a military pact whereby Germany would have aided Britain if British possesions were attacked anywhere in the world in other words he was willing to stab Japan in the back
@40supple I'm Northern Irish and your argument, is, well flawed. Nowadays it is not economically viable for Ireland to be united; the Irish government do not want us because we would cost too much money to uphold. Britain is the only reason that we remain economically stable and I am using that term loosely. PS Hitler, granted an economic genius, was a sadistic bastard. PPS De Valera only did ONE good thing during WW2 and thats sending fire fighters up to Belfast during the Blitz.
Sir, I'm sorry to say that this is what too many "Irish Republicans" have deteriorated to! Republicanism in Ireland has become little more than a club for bigots & racists, who wear their Brit-hating like a badge of honour!
Would they make Jim Connolly proud? I think not!
P.S. I do not consider you to be among their ranks by any means. I've read your comments, and you must feel pretty ashamed by comments like these, and how they devalue the very term "Irish Republican"?
I was brought up an English Catholic. Other English schools of mainly Protestant denomination were never educated on what happened in Ireland during the famine. We were taught about the evil politics of the day . The establishment have now even stopped that. Even today it is hushed up a & few English are aware that the evil Brit establishment stood by & happily watched them starve. Having said that there were plenty of middle class Dubs who did the same thing & continued to wave the Union flag.
"We are not going to apologize for any small role we may have played in helping to remove a dictator who made his people suffer for 20 years, carried out horrific acts and didn't care about democracy. He is gone now, and thank God for that."
-Former Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, in May of 2003, discussing the US military's use of Shannon Airport as a stopover point for operations in Iraq.
Neutrality made sense, Ireland today isn't neutral. That was lost long ago after Ireland's independence in 1949, it lasted for a decade more.
Until the UN peacekeeping missions, and then eventually the American stop overs over the years, there was 1962, then 1979, and prior to 1979, the joining of the EEC.
Neutrality can only return, if the foreign policy of Ireland back after independence is restored, otherwise it is no longer, and even with no law making it a fact.
yes soulboy,i obviously lack education and your are so clearly smarter than me,and ur not using google for this argument.i have a degree in irish history which i studied for three years to get.but yes,some randomer can come up to me and say,"you clearly lack an education".you dont know enough to argue with,im wasting my time,if i wanted to explain this to children i would have become a teacher.
eamon de velera was a scumbag, he got michael collins shot. michael collins was a true irish hero.
switzercraftbullet 5 days ago
@coolsdon. Did you know that a fair few (left leaning) exIRA men joined the British Army during WW2 because they realised the threat from th Nazis. Funny how history makes traditional enemies into allies in the face of an even worse threat. I' m not sure it would have been a good idea for Ireland to enter the War after just coming out of a War of Independence then a civil war, though I heard an end to partition was offerred if we had. In other words, Ulster would have been Irish
Andulsi 2 months ago
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WUDJABEABLE 3 months ago
@RichardElden
Ha,Don't make me laugh.Do you know what would have happened if we declined the eu bailout. German,French and english banks which would fail which would cause a depression. And just so you know its not a "bailout" when you are paying back the loans with interest. Wow are you really this stupid.
Grumpy587 4 months ago
@RichardElden you fucking sick bastard
bangform 4 months ago
We had a badly equipped army of seven thousand man and had a very,very small air force. The only possible advantage we could of offered to the allies would to give them are ports which i sincerely doubt hitler would stand for and would immediately declare war. Not to mention many people still remembered the terrible acts committed by the black and tans and would not allow any british troops near Ireland. Dev made the right choice staying neutral.
Grumpy587 5 months ago
@Grumpy587 i thought Churchill offered Eire the north in return for the use of its ports?
I would disagree with your submission that Ireland did the right thing in remaining neutral ,against Hitler?It would have been a plus point in their book and would have made the poor relationship with the UK a lot happier a lot earlier,we only now have what could be called a normal relationship,(visit of Queen, lending Ireland cash,Father Ted)sadly the chance wasn`t taken.
bazzatheblue 5 months ago
@bazzatheblue
He did but dev knew that all unionists would decline the proposal and refused the offer. The reason it was better to stay neutral was the fact that the treaty that was basically forced upon Ireland and would not give them a republic which was the whole point of the rebellion. You could not expect people who have fought for there freedom for years to stand and fight with the people who have tormented and still not given them there freedom for years. Could you?
Grumpy587 5 months ago
@Grumpy587
Yeah it was much better to be under Nazi occupation, than do anything that might help the Auld Enemy! Never mind the fact, that you would have been standing shoulder to shoulder with your, erm, "Northern Brothers" and celtic cousins the Scots & Welsh, against a Tyrant that was set on total European dominance and complete Ethnic cleansing.
And if Churchill's offer were not serious, then why hide it for the next 30 years?? He never even took it the Dail!
brother1ray 5 months ago
@Grumpy587 ,well i can`t say what certain elements of the British army did in Ireland,i`m sure they were bad eggs as you say but if you look in other areas of WW2 people who didnt get along joined together such as the nationalists and communists in China .
bazzatheblue 4 months ago
@bazzatheblue
Good point. Even the Indians, (who had many grudges against Britain), with the support of Gandhi stood against the Nazi filth, and Gandhi himself was scathing of the danger Fascism was to the World!
You have to choose your battles, and in the case of WW2, Old Blighty or the "Devil you Know", was certainly the right choice!
brother1ray 4 months ago
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@Buckleypm Ireland HAS ALWAYS been piss,it still is today for Christs sake!! So Britain caused WW2 did it? Yes of course. De Velara was a coward and closet Nazi sympathizer as Churchill rightly suspected.When Britain was faced with a Nazi invasion we stood up to Hitler and faught off the Luftwaffe in in the Battle of Britain, if we hadn't the useless Irish would have speaking German and not Gay-lick!! Your grammar,by the way, would make a four year old blush! Don't bother me with any more shit
coolsdon 5 months ago
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@Buckleypm Ireland HAS ALWAYS been piss,it still is today for Christs sake!! So Britain caused WW2 did it? Yes of course. De Velara was a coward and closet Nazi sympathizer as Churchill rightly suspected.When Britain was faced with a Nazi invasion we stood up to Hitler and faught off the Luftwaffe in in the Battle of Britain, if we hadn't the useless Irish would have speaking German and not Gay-lick!! Your grammar,by the way, would make a four year old blush! Don't bother me with any more shit
coolsdon 5 months ago
@Buckleypm Ireland HAS ALWAYS been piss,it still is today for Christs sake!! So Britain caused WW2 did it? Yes of course. De Velara was a coward and closet Nazi sympathizer as Churchill rightly suspected.When Britain was faced with a Nazi invasion we stood up to Hitler and faught off the Luftwaffe in in the Battle of Britain, if we hadn't the useless Irish would have speaking German and not Gay-lick!! Your grammar,by the way, would make a four year old blush! Don't bother me with any more shit!
coolsdon 5 months ago
@Buckleypm I've met some thick cunts in my time but you really stand out.Where the hell did you get your imformation from?? Firstly GREAT BRITAIN (not England) ther is no such thing as an English govt!! was not attacked at all. GB and France declared on Germany in defense of Poland which is the point WW2 began.Unlike the US who only joined in when they were themselves attacked.GB did it over in support of another country.Hitler expanded his navy in defiance of international law you prick
coolsdon 5 months ago
@coolsdon 'GB and France declared [war] on Germany in defense of Poland which is the point WW2 began'.
The UK declared war on Germany was because it was in it its own interests to do so. If the UK went to war to in defence of Poland' as you claim, why didn't they declare war on the Soviets too?!
Poland was merely a line in the sand, a Cassus belli for the UK and France to take action against German expansion which threatened their interests. The truth is a bit less noble.
jratt2 5 months ago
@jratt2 it`s not ignoble is it,to declare war on nazism?Why was it in the UK`s interest to declare war on Hitler?All it got us was death,destruction, bankruptcy and a fucking great loan owed to the USA who then effectively took over the UK`s interests in the world.Two world wars lost us all we had,except our honour as being the only country left standing against Hitler,sadly our former citizens across the Irish Sea didn`t fancy standing up against the Hun,even if it was with loathed Brits.
bazzatheblue 5 months ago
@bazzatheblue If you were partly responsible for creating the conditions that led to Nazism then it should be Britain that helped fix the problem. Death and destruction never stopped the UK from fighting wars before and the UK had no idea it would be bankrupted by WW2 when began in 1939.
The Irish only became 'citizens' upon the adoption of the 1937 constitution. Sadly, the brutal War of Independence resulted in us having two potential invaders, one of them German.
jratt2 4 months ago
@jratt2 pray tell how the UK created the conditions for Nazism?Please don`t bring up the old Versailles chestnut ,the Nazi`s themselves loved that one.
You are right that GB has never been shy of fighting a war but neither has any great power,it`s part of the business isn`t it?!Most people in the UK didn`t want war ,that`s why Munich happend.If you think fighting Hitler was somehow going to get the British some kind of gain you are wrong.
bazzatheblue 4 months ago
@bazzatheblue 'pray tell how the UK created the conditions for Nazism?Please don`t bring up the old Versailles chestnut ,the Nazi`s themselves loved that one'
You needn't bother trying to link Versailles to the Nazis in that manner. Versailles was the reason, France was the vengeful party and Britain signed off on it anyway.
Fighting Hitler wasn't about 'some kind of gain' for the UK, so no, I don't think that. It was about maintaining the power balance status quo in Europe!
jratt2 3 months ago
@jratt2 well true to a degree,Britain have had a history of opposing the more overbearing continental powers(Louis IV,Napoleon Philip 2 even Kaiser Bill)but i think the Nazi`s were of a different stamp to all those.
bazzatheblue 3 months ago
@bazzatheblue Really? In 1939 the Nazis were clearly a nasty piece of work but were hardly extraordinary. Stalin on the other hand had commited genocide against the Ukrainians in the 1930s and yet no action was taken against that his 'overbearing power' when he invaded Eastern Poland in September 1939. So something else motivated Britain and France: the balance of power, the status quo, in Europe.
jratt2 1 month ago
@jratt2 i mentioned the balance of power thing in Europe in a previous message.It`s true Stalin was a terrible man as was his regime,i suppose you are right in that neither the UK of France opposed the USSR invading east Poland,though technically the Soviets would say it was their land as the Poles took and kept it when the USSR was in civil war .That was the excuse i think, also Germany was too close to the UK and France for Hitler to be allowed any more room to invade his neighbours.
bazzatheblue 1 month ago
@bazzatheblue Except of course that the Germans claimed parts of Poland like the Soviets. It was Hitlers plans to expand east that bothered the two traditional powers of Europe as the Germans were empire building.It appears therefore that they declared war to protect their own national interests.
If it was just another tiff between great powers, it sound like a rather ignoble affair. Why should Eire have joined in? And why shouldn't Eire also act in its own interest?
jratt2 1 month ago
@jratt2 ,i fail to see how UK/France fighting the Third Reich was to protect national interests.The war effectively ended Britain`s time as a top power,and made her bankrupt.
Surely Britain and France were right to declare war on Hitler,no one , Ireland would not prosper from Germany ruling over the continent,i know Ireland wanted to walk a different path from the UK`s but maybe sometimes it`s better to pitch in with the devil you know ,don`t you think?
bazzatheblue 1 month ago
@jratt2 Certainly Germany was severely penalised after WW1 but can anyone tell me what penaties were put onto Austia-Hungary who were the ones who actually started the war after the murder of Archduke Ferdinand, Germany just fulfilled their treaty obligations
sandyrow100 2 months ago
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@sandyrow100 'Certainly Germany was severely penalised after WW1 but can anyone tell me what penaties were put onto Austia-Hungary who were the ones who actually started the war after the murder of Archduke Ferdinand, Germany just fulfilled their treaty obligations'
The Austrian-Hungarian Empire was broken up?
jratt2 1 month ago
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@coolsdon 'GB and France declared [war] on Germany in defense of Poland which is the point WW2 began'.
The UK declared war on Germany was because it was in it its own interests to do so. If the UK went to war to in defence of Poland' as you claim, why didn't they declare war on the Soviets too?!
Poland was merely a line in the sand, a Cassus belli for the UK and France to take action against German expansion which threatened their interests. The truth is a bit less noble.
jratt2 5 months ago
follow the white rabbit!!
nuadaamunra1 5 months ago
Let the Catholic Chuch dominate the country and continue its mental, sexual and physical abuse of those who were defenceless! How many Allied lives were lost because he refused to help defeat the Nazis?
Allowed German war criminals to settle in Eire post 1945. Watch the RTE documenatry!
cozener1 6 months ago
Turns out he was a crook anyway
damienhugh 7 months ago
@RichardElden idiot
captaincomputa 7 months ago
@RichardElden Well, Dublin is smiling still, despite everything...........and fascism is overcome and turned out of every country, one by one. Ever felt you were backing the wrong horse, have you?
TheCochyn 8 months ago
How would you know what he hoped? Ireland neutrality was smart. Too many Irish died because of England. Ireland is England's shame. Ireland was neutral and it more than England deserved.
paddycentered 9 months ago
@paddycentered Irelands neutrality was smart? Yeah right.How about cowardly and oportunistic? Churchill more than any other leader realized the HUGE threat posed from Hitlers National Socialism and saw it early on. He acted on it by taking Germany on and declaring war (with France) over Poland and was vinicated by the Allies destruction of the Nazi war machine.What did Ireland do?,sit on it's hands and look the other way.Keep your 'Plastic Paddy' view of the world to that side of the Atlantic!
coolsdon 7 months ago 5
@coolsdon 'Cowardly and Oportunistic (sic)'. It was certainly a great opportunity to express an independent foreign policy, it was pragmatic as we could not defend ourselves and could not rely on the British as they have always put themselves first and was not cowardly: we faced a threat from both an evil Hitler and a bellicose, vindictive Churchill and that took courage. And it wasn't your hero Churchill who declared war on Germay - it was Chamberlain! Doh!
jratt2 6 months ago
@coolsdon Ireland remained neutral for every good reason. Hitler was nothing to them compared to English brutality. Hitler only copied England's actions toward Ireland, consider the intentional repopulation of Ireland with Protestant Scott populations so as to destabilize indigenous Irish population in Northern Ireland. It is England's legacy to Ireland today. It is a legacy outlasting Hitler's crimes. It was ingenious albeit diabolical to "legitimize" those crimes with a vote.
paddycentered 3 months ago
@paddycentered
You are seriously retarded, like most Plastic Paddy Yanks sadly!
In around 5 years Hitler's "Final Solution" wiped out of Existence, 75% of ALL European Jews! If there WAS ANY comparison between England/ Britain and NAZI Germany, then just what do you think the Brits could have done to the Irish during 800 years of mastery, if they had wanted to?
You need to read some history & perhaps then you'll be less of an idiot!
brother1ray 3 months ago
@coolsdon Ireland had its own problems to deal with. Also it didn't seem like the best plan to go fight with the same army that has terrorized your country and be treated like shit by them. For an Irish man in the 1940s, the British and the Nazis were much the same.
carlsunshine 1 week ago
@coolsdon ireland wasnt as neutral as u think. relations of mine and i know alot of people who had grandads great uncles ect.died in war fighting the germans.
switzercraftbullet 5 days ago
Reply to all people who think Irish are nazi terrorists: Dev was an inspiring character, and for a man who was offered something he once fought for (32 county Ireland), but denying it in the best interest of his country, is inspirational to anyone. So what if he spoke after hitlers death, we were just recently broken away from a horrible british rule, and the irish didnt know the half of what hitler did. Also not every irishman is IRA, so stop steroeptyping our country, we you guys alone!
mjakes20 9 months ago in playlist History
The fact remains that Northern Ireland has been occupied and manipulated economically as a gesture of tactical suppression. This is undeniable. If it were the good will of the UK then the empire would release control of Ireland and establish proper economic trade. In this day and age there's no reason for such a lack of diplomacy. Believe it. Ireland is of military tactical advantage due to its proximity to the UK. There will be dissidents in face of oppression. Diplomacy mustn't fail.
PsychoticPriest 10 months ago
Churchill "could've invaded the Free State but didn't" - I think you'll find he shit his pants when the USA said they would back Ireland if England invaded.
That's some hard man. . .
sXeLodge 10 months ago
@sXeLodge Notice he didn't evade Ireland, Churchill may have been upset but he was smart enough to know we meant it. I am proud the USA backed Ireland. Joseph Kennedy was our ambassador to England. It was a subtle message. What he think we do? I'm surprised Churchill would have been nonplussed? Did he think Irish Americans had poor memories?
paddycentered 9 months ago
@paddycentered Listening to DeValera speak just reminds me of the hypocracy this US citizen. A "brave" man who used his US citizenship to save himself from being executed. In fact most Irish-Americans arehypocrites as they either passively or actively supported the repression and murder of Native Americans who incidentally did not receive US citenzenship until the 1960s, there was also the involvement in the support of slavery
sandyrow100 8 months ago 11
@sandyrow100 You're dead wrong about our Indians. Many Indians had become US citizens even before the Snyder Act of 1924, which vastly expanded the numbers of Indians who were granted citizenship. Congress passed the Nationality Act in 1940 and that essentially completed the process.
I note that you are ignoring the arguments for 'tribal' Indians NOT being made US citziens- the biggest of which is that many of them were already members of legitimate, legally recognized nations,
ewancummins 2 months ago
@sandyrow100 fuck off back to sandy row you dirty unionist idiot
dishinoutslaps 6 days ago
Why the fuck would Ireland help Britain when Ireland has been fighting Britain up to the point of when Britain wanted help from Ireland? Churchill was a fucking hypocrite!
eamon4800 10 months ago
Churchill was scum, in hock to the jewish banksters..He sent millions of White men to die fighting each other..utter fucking scum
Caxton1488 10 months ago
@salian66 Have ya ever seen an Irish with a tan...??? Seriously, I think there is more to it than yer stupid hatred against everything and everyone.... There are actually nazis, or neonazis if ya like, who still honours the IRA... Never minding the left wing there... At least that's what I'm told... Tiocfaidh ar la.
PrincessValkyrie88 10 months ago
If Chuchill had been allowed station troops during WWII they would not have left when the war was over.
alienhunter94 10 months ago
De Valera refused Churchill offers of the six counties in return for entering the war because he knew too well that if Churchill had followed through on the deal that unionists in the north would never had excepted it an led to further blood shed. De Valera was like it or not a great politician. And as for Hitler, Hitler had great respect for the British empire, he marveled at how such a small country geographically managed to control such a large empire. He had no wished to invade England.
cogriallais13 11 months ago
do you think hitler would have offered you morons anything?he would have squashed you, if you thought the tans were bad.he would have used eire for the invasion of u.s.a as a staging post what would de valera say "no you don,t" while ira vermin were still bombing british cities,you wonder why the hatred was mutual.....
salian66 11 months ago
I have read the German plans for the occupation of most of the nations of Europe the UK is the one nation that only had plans for an occupation but also plans to leave the question of Ireland was not brought up but under the list of provincial cities for German occupation headquarters were both Dublin and Belfast Germany was going to leave Ireland"s future to be decided by London
elamite66 1 year ago
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brianboru2010 1 year ago 2
@brianboru2010 Ireland were held under British rule for 700 years, the ultimate sign of independence was neutrality in a world war, If they had of fought in the war they would of taken the allies side which included Britain so if Ireland had of fought in the war they would have still been seen as part of the British empire. Thats why they remained neutral so no shame on Ireland :)
sue695x 10 months ago
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brianboru2010 10 months ago
britain would have lost WW1 if it was not for the irish 250,000 irishmen joined the british army in WW1
12345TheRonan 1 year ago 3
Think everyone needs to chill out! Hitler didnt win so who knows what would have happened, and had he won i doubt Ireland would have been left alone. As for this Britain vs Ireland shit, give it a rest, its really boring to see the same petty arguments. people need to remember the decisions were made by people who are dead, and its not the current populations fault. People in the world jus need to get along instead of holding histo grudgs and judge every person individually
samittysam 1 year ago
@samittysam hear hear. I also hope to see a time when we have no borders, no religions, no tatty flags to wrap ourselves in and no political masters. I have given all this up in recent years because I realised that our problems have always been purely technical not political. Take any problem that you have now for instance. Politicians cant sort them out for us can they? They certainly havent yet.
BradBrassman 1 year ago
@samittysam but mate its SOME SOME english basterds that are doing the fighting do you see an irish person here going mental and telling us that are country is a charity box like this is patrick he cannot affored fake tan for his daughters holy communion
12345TheRonan 1 year ago
@samittysam but mate its SOME SOME english basterds that are doing the fighting do you see an irish person here going mental and telling us that are country is a charity box like this is patrick he cannot affored fake tan for his daughters holy communion please send 7 euro now to make this girl look like an orange
12345TheRonan 1 year ago
Glorius words! Churchill and Roosevelt started the war!
FreiCleveland 1 year ago
All the research I did is that this man Éamon de Valera has Irish blood on his hand, because he hope that Germany would win. Churchill was willing to give the Irish what they wanted. This is the problem with people that truly don't fell the effects of war, it all theory to them. I don't understand how he became so popular in such a great country.
jeffofpa 1 year ago
@jeffofpa Churchill offered nothing.
godbrother10 1 year ago 10
@godbrother10 You're right. He wouldn't offer toilet paper that his servants used to wipe his British arse. I used to admire him as a leader, until I realized how he had power to help Ireland. I know he wouldn't free it, but to at least give some kind of benefit. The English would do it for Beijing or India, but not for the coumtry with the most heart? I'm American, but I lived there, I play hurling in the U.S, and I'd bleed & die for Éire...Óglaigh na hÉireann forever brothers.
slapshot37GNR 7 months ago
@godbrother10 thats not what i heard
bazzatheblue 5 months ago
@jeffofpa fuck you what do you know about war you rat faced fuck????
bolloxfrollox 1 year ago
@jeffofpa De Valera didnt want Germany to win and he stayed neutral because if Ireland was on Britain's side and britain had fallen to Germany. what would happen to Ireland? Irelands popultaion is just over 4.5 million now and back then Germanys army was way higher than Ireland's population, theGermans could have wiped the irish out, that why ireland stayed neutral.....
HCCOldGuy 1 year ago
..i dont know who ur big man but u speak the truth...belfast martie.
tebigcheese 11 months ago
@jeffofpa Not only did Churchill offer nothing, he even considered it perfectly acceptable to invade Ireland to retake the 3 seaports including Cork, that felt he he needed to ensure Britain's safety at sea
shezhunting 10 months ago
@jeffofpa You did research on Dev? Where did you find that he hoped the Nazis would win?? It is nonsense. Churchill offered NI without consulting the unionist majority, it was undeliverable and a demonstration of how easily the UK would sell out its friends to save itself. Being neutral was the democratic will of the Irish people. Protecting this mandate from US and UK pressure to fight (ironically fighting to preserve democracy) was one of the reasons he remained so popular for so long.
jratt2 6 months ago
id say he is turning in his grave to see what this shambles of a country has become
jdig1984 1 year ago 5
fuck dev he sold out collins, griffith and the rest of the lads who put their neck on the line for the republic FUCK HIM I SPIT ON HIS MEMORY
MrUNITEDEIRE 1 year ago
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atributetoned 1 year ago
I don't see what's so hard to understand about why Ireland stayed neutral in WW2. Does it really take a genius to figure out why Ireland would not want to fight alongside the British, who are responsible for 800 years of murder, rape and terror in Ireland, and the slaughter of millions of Irish people? The Brits are the Nazis of Ireland. Let's also remember that Britain created the first concentration camps in the Boer War. Yep, can't see why the Irish wouldn't want to fight alongside the Brits.
Eire7780 1 year ago 13
@Eire7780 well said mo carra
40supple 1 year ago 16
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dudemantwo 1 year ago
@Eire7780
Christ, I really despair at the likes of you!
Why the hell did 60,000 Irishmen volunteer to fight with the Brits, in their army, in WW2 then? And who was WW2 between again?
And when/where did this "slaughter of millions of Irish people" take place? Point me to one respected historian who can back up that claim! I'd love to see it.
Oh, and the Brits didn't invent the concentration camps. A Times journalist, coined the term "concentration camp", quite a different thing!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 So the 800 years of oppression that England is responsible for in Ireland is all made up? You use the argument that because there was nobody doing a specific count of the number of Irish people killed by the English over 8 centuries, then that means that the 8 centuries of oppression didn't take place at all. If you truly think that Irish people have no reason to dislike the English then you obviously live in a fantasy world.
Eire7780 1 year ago
@Eire7780
Where to begin?
First off, you said "The Brits are the Nazis of Ireland"!
Well that's wrong on so many levels:
1. The Nazis were a political ideology, not a Nationality! So to compare like with like, you have to say: "The Brits are the Germans of Ireland" or "The Tories are the Nazis of ireland" see?
2. In 6 years, the Nazis exterminated 75% of the Jewish People in the whole of Europe! Just imagine what the Brits could have done in 800years to the Irish, if they were like Nazis!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago 2
@Eire7780
What you have to remember is that Eire is what it is because of England.
The irish only became united as they have today because of independence from a colonial power. Thats why I see no point in attack England or Britain generally.
War and empire have moved all our ancestors, longed before they were even Irish.
ocean3da 1 year ago
@ocean3da Ocean u really are a stupid prick
kizward 1 year ago
@Eire7780 bro in fact alot of Irish joined the British army in WW2 to stop the Nazis and there was no fuckn work in the country....
kizward 1 year ago
@kizward
That & the fact that all that was keeping auld Adolf from invading Ireland, was that he wasn't done conquering the Brits!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@kizward I wasn't trying to say that Irish people didn't join the British army to stop the Nazis. I know they did. I'm saying there is a damn good reason why the country itself did not get involved in WW2. We had our own problems to deal with and fighting alongside the Brits who are responsible for 8 centuries of terrorism against our people was not exactly appealing to the Irish government or the Irish people.
Eire7780 1 year ago
@Eire7780 dont forget ireland had a tiny inexperienced army that had none of the modern technology of the time such as tanks and automatic weapons not to mention a negligible airforce that would have been destroyed by the luftwaffe. your right , it isnt any wonder we stayed neutral.
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V
Yeah well Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway etc all tried to stay Neutral too! Didn't do them much good though.
"Neutrality" to a Tyrant like Hitler, was just an invitation to walk over you, which is exactly what he did to Neutral nations!
What saved Eire?
You're not going to like the answer to that mo chara, but it does explain why 60,000 Irishmen went & fought with the "Auld Enemy" in WW2!
And God bless them for it! And the Auld Enemy too for that matter!
Who'd have thought it...
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Yes but had ireland entered the war on the side of britain dublin would have been levelled in mere weeks, having no air defences it took great courage from de valera to stand up to brittish and american pressure to join the war, by doing so he protected his people from german bombs. yes hitler did have a plan to invade ireland, "operation green" but he didnt bother wasting men on ireland as hostile britain was a more valuable target. dev saved a lot of irish lives by neutrality
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V
What like Edinburgh or Cardiff?
Nah, London was the prime & easiest target! It would have been very difficult & pointless to overfly all of Industrial England just to bomb Dublin! Eire had no Industrial, strategic targets, just Belfast, which was of course in the War anyway!
Did he save Irish lives? Dev cost many Irish & Allied lives in the Merchant Navy by refusing use of the Atlantic ports for convoy protection.
I don't think Dev brave at all, but the Irish who fought were!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 No one is saying they were not brave but most didnt sign up to defeat the nazis, they signed up due to high unemployment much like in world war 1. had he allowed them use the ports the germans would have declared war and punished the irish for helping the allies by bombing dublin, much like they did when dev sent fire brigades to belfast after the bombing there, they bombed dublin as a warning not to aid the allies, so yes did save many irish lives by neutrality
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V
That's rubbish! What kind of an idiot would sign up as a Soldier in WAR Time, just for the pittence they were paid? There was a chronic labour shortage in the UK during WW2, which required women and children doing men's work for the first time! 100s of 1000s of Irish went to work in the UK's heavy industry, munition factories & farms etc during WW2.
Those who fought, did so out of conscience, not need! That, and they at least saw, that Eire's survival needed the UK's!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 there was a small minority of irish men who signed up for adventure or for englands defense but if you ask any creible historian the majority of those who signed up, did so for the seperation allowance paid to there families aswell as the wages they received. No one at the time knew of the uspeakable attrocities the nazis were commiting therefore there was no moral obligation to fight them only monetary neccesity, the "idiots" needed the money to keep their children alive
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V
Utter crap! 5000 Free State Soldiers, (who obviously had jobs), deserted and joined the British Army in WW2! Dev blacklisted them, McCarthy style, for the rest of their lives, so they could not be employed in Eire!
Everyone in power knew about the "Final Solution" by late 1941, and a Rabbi Yaakov Herzog, spoke to the Dail in early '42, pleading that "his people were being systematically exterminated" by the Nazis!
The "we had no idea" excuses were blown right out the window!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago 2
@DonegalRaymie201 You are looking at it in hindsight where its obvious what hitler did, at the time in ireland there was strict censorship of information regarding the war, and the period was rife with propaganda, any claims such as that would be seen as propaganda to entice ireland to fight, So the vast majority of people signing up wouldnt have had a clue about the final solution, as for the free state soldiers, they wanted action, the majority of the rest signed up for the seperation alowance
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V
Where ignorance is bliss...
You are ignoring the fact that there was a chronic labour shortage in the UK, no shortage of jobs! And whilst Dev did censor the Irish press, he couldn't stop the BBC (or Lord Haw Haw) radio broadcasts being received in Eire.!
Worth bearing in mind too, that then as now, there would be scarce a family in Eire who didn't have relatives in UK, under the bombs! And family trumps politics.
Why ru so keen to dismiss Eire's bravest as mere mercenaries?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 I have nothing but respect for them, and i do not view them as mercenaries, yes i am quite aware of the labour shortage, but anyone who was fit for service was enouraged to join the army, not the factories. you were paid a wage and a seperation allowance to your families, there are multiple reasons why people signed up but the main reason for most of them was neccesity, as for lord haw haw, he was anti british if anyone took him seriously it would discourage them from signin up
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V
Wait a minute, maybe you know something I don't: "anyone who was fit for service was enouraged to join the army," ?? The British Army?
Encouraged by whom? Dev maintained that Neutrality was the only course for Irishmen: Absolutely nothing swayed him from that view! Even when the full blown Horror of the Holocaust became public, Dev could not bring himself to even condemn the Nazis, because he was so wedded to Neutrality!
I meant Lord Haw Haw's famous "Easter eggs for Belfast" broadcast
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 they were encouraged by the british goverment rather then work in factories. Ya i know how stringent he was on neutrality, i never said he wasnt, what I am saying is that there were many reasons for irish men joining the british army but one of the main ones was to put food on the table for their families. dev realised the free state couldnt take on a modernised army like germany he did save many irish lives by enforcing it whether the world viewed it as cowardice or not
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V
Oh, I see. You mean the Irish already living in the UK. Yes, there would have been pressure, especially peer pressure from work colleagues who joined up, (or were called up!), to join up too.
But I can't buy the reason, that most joined-up for the pay? Soldiers aren't paid well, and there was no shortage of civvy work. I mean would you? Sign up to the Army, in a time of War, (not knowing if it was even a War that could be won), to face up to the most efficient army ever assembled?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 The people who signed up who had families were paid an extra seperation allowance, this is what attracted them over civilian work, it must have been a difficult choice to risk your life, but it was the best way to feed a large familie which most people had at the time, it also ment 1 less mouth to feed in the familie, there were countless other reasons for signing up but the seperation allowance is widely accepted as the main 1 and yes i do think they were incredibly brave
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V
I'll have to read up on this Separation Allowance thing, see what it was worth etc, but it leaves this lingering doubt about why men would take a 1 in 3/4 gamble on dying in a War, if they didn't believe in it!
And if it was "just for the money", then why were the men who fought treated so bably when they returned, (those that did return), and shunned as "Traitors" by those who stayed home?
Can you see what I'm getting at here?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Its a fathers sacrifice for his wife and children it was incredibly brave for them to risk there lives like that not for money but for their families quality of life and survival, Ya i do see your point, they were treated badly when they returned which was an appaling way of treating vets, there was a taboo on serving the brittish army following the huge scale loss of life in ww1 and the reprisals carried out by the british forces during the anglo-irish war aswell as partiton,
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V Strange how its the irish who are the only people to use the term Anglo Irish war. There was no war old boy, for if there had of been, Ireland would be not the state it is today!
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke No ive heard the british call it the anglo irish war in documentarys theyve made about it.That being said you probabaly werent taught about it in school.
jimmy27paul 1 year ago
@jimmy27paul No something that insignificant in global history is not taught in our schools. If it had been a war, then the irish would have been wiped out, thats why it was indeed only an insurrection at a time when no one really cared.....the aftermath of WW1 and a flu pandemic that killed more than WW1 itself. You people have a sense of entitlement that is not matched by your world status
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke Im fairly sure there was a war, with british soldiers and black and tans fighting irish soldiers, then again maybe your right, maybe they made it all up........
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V If there had been a war, there would have been three divisions of British troops, 4 battlships in the Liffey and the new RAF dropping bombs on the filth.. Now did that happen? The only war is in the turgid imagination of the mick.
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke Right your racial bias is evident from your comments ive been reading, Its called a guerrilla war with ambushes on british troops, they were fighting an invisible enemy and by the way, they lost, The only way they could fight back was by scum like the black and tans massacaring innocent women and children. if you know anything about history you would know this. Not only was the raf a fledgling organisation at the time, planes were not equiped to drop bombs. By the way "mick"?
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V It was an insurrection, perhaps you should o and find out the difference! And by 1919, the RAf was a highly skilled and technical organisation capable of dropping enough bobs to obliterate every irish city and town, with impunity. But why are you reducing this to a pissing contest! It is obvious to the menaest of intelligence that if it had been a war, then Ireland would have been destroyed. Now get real!
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke You clearly have no clue about the RAF. planes at the time were largely used for recon missions, they were nowhere near the planes of ww2, that is a fact. There was a war, similar to the one fought in viet nam and modern day iraq and afghanistan, Its called gurrillea warfare, that is also a fact. There was a war, large parts of ireland were damaged, you dont know too much about irish or english history if you cant understand this
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V Well you are not an expert on aviation and aviation history are you....Try the Vickers Vimy and Handley Page 0/400 for starters, and then SE5, DeHavilland DH9.. Clueless! And there was no war, an insurrection, that is all! You are quite some fool arent you!
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke im the fool? those aircraft were notriously unreliable and were not deigned for bombing cities, You can call it an insurrection if you like but by that logic so was the american revoloution. By the look of your channel and comments im guessing you are brittish, and have racist views towards irish people, so basically i dont care what your biased views are. there was a war, it was an bloody period of anglo/irish history and unfortunately a neccesity, that is a historical fact.
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V For bombing cities was exactly what they were designed for and used for. Look, dont argue about something you obviously know zip about, it makes you look a bigger fool than you already are. There was no war in Ireland in the early 20th century, only an insurrection and it wasnt really that bloody at all. If it had been a war, said before, there would have been bombs dropped by the RAF, 3 divisions of British Army and a squadron of Royal Navy ships in the Liffey, now get real you dope.
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke Google those palnes you mentioned, the planes had tiny payloads and a tiny range compared to ww2 planes, it doesnt matter how many divisons they had it was a gurrilea war, also why bomb irish cities which were currently under brittish control and why put battleships in the liffey when dublin was under brittish control? Your knowledge of irish history is poor so dont act you know anything about it, there is more then one type of warfare. The war did happen britain lost get over it
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V Insurrection, that is all, go and look up the word. No guerilla war. I think you "people" like to call it war because you have a false sense of entitlement in that you all think you are equal to the UK and you are not! As for the aircrraft of 1919-1925, they were more than adequate.
No war, a country that was of no interest, no resource The only thing that was assured was the constant whine from the bog
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke Right i didnt realise I was dealing with a thick headed rascist. There is no point arguing with you because you clearly influnced by bias, Ask any credible historian and they will tell you it was a war, in my opinion you dont want to accept it as a war because that would have ment the "mighty" brittish empire lost to a tiny nation. You can call it what you like but myself and anyone else with any common sense will accept the view of actual historians, not some bigot on youtube
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V Bias? Racists for why, telling it how it is? My assertion about an over blown sense of entitlement was correct, you do think yuour are equal as a country dont you? What dellusional crapola. nd no you fool, there was no war, only an insurrection...it some how demaens you "people" to think you were no more than a gnats bite on our arses...that is all it was. As for bigot, in true mick style, pot calls to kettle!
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke I dont care what your opinion is, no one does, you are a thick bigot, I have not written one rascist comment, before this arguement descends into an even more idiotic one im going to stop replying to your stupid rascist comments. You can believe what you like, you can say what you like i dont care. Myself and the rest of the world all know you are wrong. enjoy the rest of your pathetic life having stupid arguements on youtube.
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V And no one really cares about the Irish opinion... a small nation of 4.5 million who for some reason, believe they are equal to the big boys... Not so, in fact the ROI is bankrupt! Like a child given riches beyond dreams, feclessly frttiered away and now, and now the little country expects the rest of us to pay. The rest of the world know I am right and why? I write only facts, historical fact...eg., RAF bomber circa 1919
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke @MrBigfatbloke
Research it on bbc history or brittanica encyclopedia.
argue your idiotic views with these guys instead if you think your so right. Now piss off and stop replying, i dont give a shit about your rascit hatefilled views.
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V I do my research in a library not the via the warped and biased views of google inputs. I dont have idiotic views just the facst and it seems that when you tell the truth, you are accused of racism. Yet you seem to believe you can say any perjorative nonsense you want about the British with impunity. It is anathema to me that you make such stupid statements and then wail and gnash your teeth when the facts are pointed out to you.
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke Oh no your right, bbc history and the brittanica encylopedia have warped views and you are the foun tain of all knowledege. Then again maybe not.What "perjorative nonsense" have i said about the british?? Also i didnt realise calling irish people "micks" was a fact
I didnt realise a "a constant whine from the bog" was a fact
Fuck off, you are a racist with your small minded views, and no one, not even your own people gives a shit about your opinions
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V There you go, tell the truth and historical fact and all of a sudden you are racist! You have written childish nonsense about everything.....and when corrected, you react like a child..
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke Right, im done talking to you, i can actually feel myself getting stupider every time i read one of you idiotic racist comments. by the looks of your channel you enjoy having pathetic arguements on youtube, have fun doing that for the rest of your sad life.
Pat121V 1 year ago
@Pat121V You cannot get more stupid than stupid, you cretin! You have proven to be an ignoramous,
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke Watch the Anglo irish war on youtube it was made by the bbc, that might clear up some misunderstandings.
jimmy27paul 1 year ago
@jimmy27paul No misunderstanding, there was no Anglo Irish war. It was an insurection!
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke It was a guerilla war. Britain declared martial law in Ireland - thats acceptance it was a war.
WestBritWatch 1 year ago
@WestBritWatch Dont be silly.
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@Pat121V To add, it is OK for you to say what you want about the British and yet, woe betied anyone who gives it back to you in kind, especially if they are English, oh that wont do will it, then it is racist! Get real!
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
Can someone tell me if those are black and tans at 0:46 and If they know any more about the footage? thanks
MitRetsillac 1 year ago
@MitRetsillac I think they are Auxiliaries. There are Black and Tans at 0.34
jratt2 1 year ago
@DonegalRamie201
Well said!
AlexWilliamMulcahy 1 year ago
de valera was a scumbag he let the brittish fly over donegal during ww2 should and he also opened internment camps in kildare to lock up the i.r.a. wat sort of an (irish) would do that and yes i would rather speal german than english
40supple 1 year ago
@40supple
Well your English is shocking, so that must make you a real Patriot!
It's not the speaking of German that would bother me, (fine language as it is!), it's the living under a Nazi Dictatorship & sharing in the dream of the Third Reich, for an Aryan Empire from the Urals to the Atlantic!
Something about Hitler's ideology doesn't sit right with me! Can't think why.....
Christ, you're an embarrasment to any Irishman who once called themselves Republicans!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 why do you say im an embarrasment
40supple 1 year ago
@40supple
You call Dev a "scumbag" for what little help he gave the Allies, and state that you'd rather speak German than English. What else can that mean, other than you wish the Nazis had triumphed over the Brits in WW2?
You're a disgrace to the thousands of Irish who fought & died fighting Hitler! How many Irish fought for the Third Reich?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago 3
@40supple Interesting comment. It tells me that your are simply an anti-British Irishman. You don't love your country, you just hate the British.
jratt2 1 year ago
@jratt2 yes thats one hundred per cent right i hate every inch of the british state and wish hitler wiped them off the face of the earth there stil in the 6 countys of northeast ireland and i hate them for that reason
40supple 1 year ago 17
@40supple The Irish signed up in their thousands to fight in the British army in both the world wars.
shakinpaulus1 1 year ago
@shakinpaulus1
Pay no heed to this moron! He shames the vast majority of Irishmen, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice in WW2.
He speaks for less then 1%!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@40supple Read Mein Kampf; Hitler hated catholics. Had England fallen it would have been left more or less intact, like Gurnsey was, but Ireland was next for the Concentration Camps.
BradBrassman 1 year ago
@BradBrassman But sure, We ended up in camps any way it only took till the 80's-90's till we ended up in British internment camps
DAIRISHDAVID 1 year ago
@DAIRISHDAVID Not quite the same though A? At lest the Brits diddnt gas you in your millions, which the Nazi's would have done.
BradBrassman 1 year ago
@BradBrassman hey the brits did worse things than that they killed innocent men and made there family watch i do not associate todays IRA with the heroes of 1916 ireland is a small nation that was bullied by the brits for 800 years how would you have liked it mate
12345TheRonan 1 year ago
@12345TheRonan We were, dont you see? The so called ruling classes that trod your people down, did it first to us. The Normans who "harrowed the north", from Nottingham upwards, then came to Ireland under a man called Strongbow. Through the martyrs of 1916, and since the free state of 1922, you at least have some of your country back, but most of ours is still tied up in landed estates and illegal purchases such as the enclosures acts, just like in Erin.
BradBrassman 1 year ago
@BradBrassman hitler was catholic himself, anyway id rather speak german than english
40supple 1 year ago
@40supple Yes, but you wouldnt have bee given the chance would you? You'd have been pulled blubbing from yer ma, gassed and gone up the chimney, with all the rest. If you tell me you'd have preffered that than to speak English then I will wonder at your sanity. Nobody here cares about what a few minority irish "want". especially as all we have are our day to day struggles like you do. How many more times, Its not our fault, and all those who made wrong desicions in the 20's are dead now.
BradBrassman 1 year ago
@40supple why don't you? Besides the Germans had no plans to make you speak German Hitler did not want to fight Britain once France fell he offered Britain extremely generous terms if Britain recognized German hegemony on the Continent he would leave the British Isles including the Free State to London and even offered a military pact whereby Germany would have aided Britain if British possesions were attacked anywhere in the world in other words he was willing to stab Japan in the back
elamite66 1 year ago
@40supple it should b at least 8 countys..its called ulster-.long b4 the english named it n.i...come over and meet real irish!! quis seperata
tebigcheese 11 months ago
@40supple I'm Northern Irish and your argument, is, well flawed. Nowadays it is not economically viable for Ireland to be united; the Irish government do not want us because we would cost too much money to uphold. Britain is the only reason that we remain economically stable and I am using that term loosely. PS Hitler, granted an economic genius, was a sadistic bastard. PPS De Valera only did ONE good thing during WW2 and thats sending fire fighters up to Belfast during the Blitz.
poppy2365 10 months ago
@poppy2365 i agree with your statement,
brianboru2010 10 months ago
@jratt2
Sir, I'm sorry to say that this is what too many "Irish Republicans" have deteriorated to! Republicanism in Ireland has become little more than a club for bigots & racists, who wear their Brit-hating like a badge of honour!
Would they make Jim Connolly proud? I think not!
P.S. I do not consider you to be among their ranks by any means. I've read your comments, and you must feel pretty ashamed by comments like these, and how they devalue the very term "Irish Republican"?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
I was brought up an English Catholic. Other English schools of mainly Protestant denomination were never educated on what happened in Ireland during the famine. We were taught about the evil politics of the day . The establishment have now even stopped that. Even today it is hushed up a & few English are aware that the evil Brit establishment stood by & happily watched them starve. Having said that there were plenty of middle class Dubs who did the same thing & continued to wave the Union flag.
ALBIONTYKE 1 year ago
"We are not going to apologize for any small role we may have played in helping to remove a dictator who made his people suffer for 20 years, carried out horrific acts and didn't care about democracy. He is gone now, and thank God for that."
-Former Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, in May of 2003, discussing the US military's use of Shannon Airport as a stopover point for operations in Iraq.
ocean3da 1 year ago
Neutrality made sense, Ireland today isn't neutral. That was lost long ago after Ireland's independence in 1949, it lasted for a decade more.
Until the UN peacekeeping missions, and then eventually the American stop overs over the years, there was 1962, then 1979, and prior to 1979, the joining of the EEC.
Neutrality can only return, if the foreign policy of Ireland back after independence is restored, otherwise it is no longer, and even with no law making it a fact.
ocean3da 1 year ago
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lee3sant 1 year ago
@thesoulboy90
yes soulboy,i obviously lack education and your are so clearly smarter than me,and ur not using google for this argument.i have a degree in irish history which i studied for three years to get.but yes,some randomer can come up to me and say,"you clearly lack an education".you dont know enough to argue with,im wasting my time,if i wanted to explain this to children i would have become a teacher.
hussler112 1 year ago