Haley Speaks #43: Dude, You Must Have Gone to Law School

[monigrammedia]

Well, I turned 18 in December, so next time around I'll be old enough to vote, or hey, even run :-).

[mjm339g]

good job, haley! keep it up: these are thoughtful & interesting not to mention fun to watch!

and don't worry about the naysayers who mix up concepts like, oh, i don't know, technical wording of laws and founding principles of a nation.

and sklanger, you're posting abstract arguments on a video about concrete problems (for instance, gitmo, where, as you so astutely pointed out, your argument is invalid).

[JayneBlonde007]

Well despite all of the criticisms these people have given you, I think this is a fine video and I agree with what you have to say!

[FlyaThanBetelgeuse]

hey haley do u have a facebook

[gothatfunk]

and as for torture, the 8th amendment forbids cruel or unusual punishments. nice and simple. i find it appalling that ANYONE argues in favour of torture. those who do should examine their conscience.

[monigrammedia]

Now that's the kind of correction I'll take. Torture is constitutional issue AND a moral issue. Thanks for pointing that out. However, Mr. Klanger will likely remind us that it's not a constitutional issue if the people you torture are not Americans, so we're back to the moral issue argument, which works for me.

[gothatfunk]

ah, what a charming debate in comments.....

the most important part of the Constitution is the beginning: "We The People"; the people endow the government with it's powers, and the Constitution sets out the limits of the government.

"all men are created equal" doesn't equivocate, ALL means all. the idea that a foreigner isn't worthy of equal treatment in law is totally contrary to the letter and spirit of our founding documents.

[monigrammedia]

You're creating controversies where none exist. Obama is closing Gitmo because we've been holding people on US soil for 7+ years without trial and that's unconstitutional and a PR problem for the US. No one said taking POW's was unconstitutional, so I am not advocating applying habeas and the 5th amendment extra-territorially. Torture is not a constitutional issue, it's a moral issue. And "all men are created equal" is plenty radical enough when applied within our borders. My point stands.

[sklanger]

lol. wtf is this. Like lonelygirl15 but with an Obama spin?

Stale. Get a new schtick.

And obviously, not all men are "equal" under the Constitution. Non-natural born citizens may not be President, the 4th Amendment doesn't apply to foreigners oversees, and habeas has no extra-territorial application to non-citizens.

I give you a 1.

[monigrammedia]

Cool. I give you a zero. "Created equal" is a part of the American social contract and has been instrumental in freeing the slaves, women suffrage and the voting rights/civil rights acts of the 1960's. Furthermore, the Supreme Court in Boumediene v. Bush ruled that the Guantanamo prisoners had habeas corpus rights. I realize that doesn't jibe with your right wing fantasy world, but you can look it up.

[sklanger]

Except that Guantanamo was held to be functionally American territory and under American sovereignty by the Supreme Court in Boumediene. Boumediene does not say that the Bay is beyond the territorial scope or jurisdiction of the United States.

So again, habeas has no extra-territorial application to non-citizens. Look up Johnson v. Eisentrager.

You also fail to answer the fact that the 4th does not apply to foreigners extraterritorially. You lose.

I give you a -1.

[monigrammedia]

And I give you a -2 for being the type who has to have the last word, even while totally missing the point. Hey, this is fun. NOT.

[sklanger]

lolwut?

You're owned. Give it up. Your point isn't being missed. You were being a simpleton and got called out on it.

Your own words defeat your own overbroad claim that "all men are equal" under the Constitution. If it's a part of the AMERICAN social contract, then obviously the Const. can't apply extraterritorially to non-citizens as a general rule.

Habeas and the 5th Amdt do not reach foreigners abroad precisely because the Const. does not apply to "all men equally."

Learn about it.

[monigrammedia]

My point was not that Obama never makes mistakes, but that he is careful and accurate with language, like a good lawyer. I also believe that the people on our side who were tortured, if asked whether torture was morally wrong, would say yes. Don't know about you, but I would like to be able to say with some confidence that my country is morally superior to its enemies.

[HowardSternn]

You ain't no advisor. Go back to your basement and play with your barbies. Bababooooey

[monigrammedia]

Howard...you're still around making goofy comments. Be patient. I'm still getting settled into the job, creating a context, waiting for the Obama Team to ease of the gas pedal. The advice is coming. You may not like it, but then it's advice for Obama and I'm guessing you don't like him either.

[mwe]

So many creepers watch your videos...

but I guess if you throw in a pile ignorant pea brains as well, you start to realize that the world might actually just be filled with ignorant people with asinine things to say like the "former whitehouse occupant" so liesurely did.

=]

[Tindel10]

Can you do HD vids Haley?

[wynrick1]

nice vid sweetie

[narutokamiko]

OMG YES!

2ND TO COMMENT! :]

Nice vid haley!

<3

[kevon2000]

hey Haley.. good vid