We do have laws governing the sale of arms internationaly. A law abiding citizen does not by definition break the law. the US already has laws that forbid felons from having firarms. murder is illigal in the united states. enjoying the shooting sports skeet target shooting hunting or 3 gun competition is not. its been proven that a reasponsibile armed citizen can save lives when someone is harming innocent people.
Most the weapons are bought and sold using American dollars. The south american drug lords buy their guns using money from selling drugs in the states. The taliban buys it from selling drugs to the US via Iran and the middle east. Americans want to get high, everybody else wants freedom. Its a fair trade.
@justinXXcredible Bull. The vast majority of these weapons come from Marxist or former Marxist countries.
Just look at the film. See how many of these weapons are clearly AK-style variants. In the whole video, I didn't see so much as one M-16. But it's American recalcitrance that's the "real problem"?
guns are not bad. it's ignorance which drives this irrational belief that guns are the cause of death and war. believe me if all the guns in the world were to suddenly dissapear people would go to war with swords and bows. it's not the guns fault, it's the guns user's fault someone dies by gunshot.
I don't like the way this video made it look like the US is the big "gun dealer". Those weren't M16s and M4s being sold around the world to African villagers and terrorists. Our guns have little to do with the illegal gun trade.
And I love the way they blame the guns, the gun dealers, the gun manufacturers, and the US government, but not the savages that pull the trigger. I guess they and their victims are the victims?
@Vulcan750L theres no point in talking about how common criminals act like common criminals. By pointing out the role that these gun dealers have in the problem the documentery isolated a part of the problem that can be solved by international action.
There is no point in talking about international action since we can't control other countries like China, and Russia or any anyone else who wants to deal in arms including their "mafia" from selling and distributing guns around the world.
Blaming the people who are the least responsible is unfair and doesn't deal with the root of the problem. If there is a demand, there will be a supply. Organized crime, terrorist groups, and rogue states thrives on the black market.
Over a million people were killed in Rwanda mostly by machete. I don't think ending the gun trade will end violence. People who want to kill each other will find a way to kill each other. Guns are just the preferred way.
Genocide and warfare have been going on for man's entire history, long before guns were ever invented. To blame violence on the guns itself is just liberal naivete and ignorance.
Let's ban machetes, axes, knives, and pointy sticks while we're at it.
@Vulcan750L The problem is that guns (in the wrong hands) allow a relativly small number of people to control and opress a much larger group. In the same way that I wouldn't blame a child who got a gun and misused it I'm not going to blame an uneducated african villager raised in a society torn apart by tribalism for misusing a gun because there's no point. We can't easily brring an end to tribalism but we can easily reduce the damage it does by being more careful who gets guns.
You seem to have a low opinion of uneducated African villagers. You are comparing them to children who don't know better. So you think if they had college degrees, they wouldn't be so violent? LOL
Did you understand anything I said?
Africans and all of mankind have been killing each other for thousands of years. Getting rid of guns isn't going to stop all that. Machetes work just fine and is reusable, not like bullets that you have to keep on buying and replacing.
@Vulcan750L From a mathmatical standpoint better education does reduce violent crime and gun control does decrease the murder rate. However from a purely logical point of veiw how does adding more powerful weapons to a civil war make any sense. A minority (take the regime in burma as an example) can more easily control and persecute a majority with guns than they can with melee weapons.
Tell that to the Rwandans. I'm sure they'll be interested in your theory. Over a million of them were killed by machete.
Reread my previous statements. I don't want to keep repeating myself.
I get this feeling you're just not listening. You have a view that contradicts reality. It doesn't seem to matter what the facts are, you will believe what you want to believe, apparently.
@Vulcan750L tell that to the jews,gypsies,gays,nigerians,libyans,burmese,kurds,...etc. who have been massacred with GUNS throughout history. Gun's aren't naturally bad but allowing them to be added to a situation that is already violent simply isn't good. I'm listening to what your saying but it simply isn' supported by EVIDENCE. try considering what other people are saying it can be very enlightening.
What EVIDENCE? Am I saying that guns are not used to kill people? Is that the "strawman" argument you are trying to use?
My argument is that guns are only the preferred way of killing people. There are many ways to kill without guns. Mankind has been waging war and genocide for many thousands of years before guns came to existence. Even if you were able to get rid of guns, it's not going to stop anything. The killing will go on.
Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. If you get caught with an empty shell casing in your car, you will spend time in a Mexican prison. And yet, the country is full of guns. More people are gunned down in Mexico than Afghanistan. These are not uneducated African villagers.
This is reality in the real world, not theory or conjecture, or liberal fantasy and idealistic ideology. "Feel good" liberal policies don't work in the real world.
@Vulcan750L thats simply not true. The mexican constitution clearly states that citizens have the right to own guns. local gun laws in mexico are much stricter however all a person has to do to get a gun is pettition the defense ministry for a license. as for your claim that an empty shell casing can get a person jail time... theres simply no basis for that in mexican law. Mexican gun control is generally inefective because local gov. in mexico is practically owned by the cartells.
"Mexican gun control is generally inefective because local gov. in mexico is practically owned by the cartells."
No . . . Gun laws are ineffective because CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY GUN LAWS. Do you expect the drug cartels to line up at the police station to turn in their guns to conform to any laws? Get a clue!
Most of the guns are gotten from corrupt Mexican military officials. There are many ways a criminal gets around useless laws. That's just one of them.
@Vulcan750L you're claim about most of the guns in mexico being brought in by the military is not supported by facts. most guns in mexico are smuggled in by the cartels and every investigation into gun running in mexico has shown that. by your logic we should get rid of all laws because criminals inevitably won't follow them.
The US government gives or sells weapons to the Mexican military to bolster their capabilities to fight against terrorism and drug lords. Corrupt officers in turn sell or give them to the drug cartels. It is indeed a fact. Look it up.
The point is, criminals have many ways of getting around useless laws.
Laws exist for the purpose of punishment. They have little effect on deterrence. Laws that are aimed at deterrence or prevention only affect law abiding citizens.
@Vulcan750L again , if deterenc and prevention only effect law abiding citizens what is the point of laws? no law abiding citizen is going to break the law or they would no longer be a law abiding citizen.
Laws are for punishment. If there are no laws then you can't imprison someone for breaking the law if there is no law against it.
Making drugs illegal doesn't prevent people from doing or selling drugs. Illegal drugs are very easy to get. Easier than some legal drugs. Half the people I know do illegal drugs.
Making murder illegal doesn't mean people will stop killing each other. But it does allow you to punish them for it.
"the entire point of punishment is to deter future incidents of that behavior (and to a lesser extent, get revenge for the victim)"
And how is that working out?
Drugs and prostitution is illegal, so is murder. Illegal drugs are quite easy to get and people get murdered every day. Only someone as naive as yourself would think laws are an effective deterrence.
The prohibition era, when they tried to outlaw alcohol didn't work out too well either.
I suggest not making more useless laws especially on those that are not the ones causing the problem. Make effective laws that target the problem. And for some things, there should not be laws against at all cause they don't work. Instead, tax them and regulate them, and spend the money on education about their dangers instead.
@falluj so are drugs, child pornography and some people. That argument is utterly pointless. Some level of gun control is necessary in any nation that hopes to be sucessful.
If you stop the demand you will stop the supply. Kill those African war lords / rapists. Oh yea you can't... Africa is too messed up, the people will just continue to die until they decide enough is enough. You cant punish the whole world especially the US for owning guns. If you want to make a difference go to Africa and start a refugee camp with American security.
@oklikeuknow its what we do with the guns we do not have. arms trade is a multi-billion dollar industry. do you think US, china, and russia will cease that? the answer is no. they will fight on the public grounds that these people who do this are bad and that they need to be stopped but when it comes down the the bare bottom, we are not stopping. war = money it's history my friends :)
tough shit. we are not going to treaty ourselves into international law over our own constitution, and if someone did, they would be forever removed from office in the United States very quickly. I bought my 2nd handgun yesterday, and it aint my fault that this crap is going on in Africa.
this was an interesting bit of propaganda, thanks for uploading it.
@bigcountrylolz and it is an international gun treaty, where do you guys get the idea that we are not going to be allowed to have guns in the US? : / that is silly, the world just does not want these war torn countries such easy, cheap access to weapons.
Sad how desperate the NRA is to protect their 2nd Amentment 'rights' at the cost of so many lives, they're no better than the Islamists who choose IEDs to kill in the name of their God.
We do have laws governing the sale of arms internationaly. A law abiding citizen does not by definition break the law. the US already has laws that forbid felons from having firarms. murder is illigal in the united states. enjoying the shooting sports skeet target shooting hunting or 3 gun competition is not. its been proven that a reasponsibile armed citizen can save lives when someone is harming innocent people.
sass225 3 weeks ago
vote to get the un out of the us
megakaito1 2 months ago
Most the weapons are bought and sold using American dollars. The south american drug lords buy their guns using money from selling drugs in the states. The taliban buys it from selling drugs to the US via Iran and the middle east. Americans want to get high, everybody else wants freedom. Its a fair trade.
MrGangeticus 2 months ago 3
Thats right get it right baby US doesnt play ball NOBODY plays ball
justinXXcredible 2 months ago
@justinXXcredible Bull. The vast majority of these weapons come from Marxist or former Marxist countries.
Just look at the film. See how many of these weapons are clearly AK-style variants. In the whole video, I didn't see so much as one M-16. But it's American recalcitrance that's the "real problem"?
What a crock.
DrCruel 2 months ago
@ 1:58 thats fucking vodka red army vodka
and i bet yall thought it was a shell lol
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guns are not bad. it's ignorance which drives this irrational belief that guns are the cause of death and war. believe me if all the guns in the world were to suddenly dissapear people would go to war with swords and bows. it's not the guns fault, it's the guns user's fault someone dies by gunshot.
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GunsOfThePhoenix 11 months ago
america = warlords of the world
osub 1 year ago
I don't like the way this video made it look like the US is the big "gun dealer". Those weren't M16s and M4s being sold around the world to African villagers and terrorists. Our guns have little to do with the illegal gun trade.
And I love the way they blame the guns, the gun dealers, the gun manufacturers, and the US government, but not the savages that pull the trigger. I guess they and their victims are the victims?
Vulcan750L 1 year ago
@Vulcan750L I was just thinking that exact same thought... litterally almost word for word. Right on brother.
thehotshirtguy2008 10 months ago
@Vulcan750L theres no point in talking about how common criminals act like common criminals. By pointing out the role that these gun dealers have in the problem the documentery isolated a part of the problem that can be solved by international action.
liberalmike1994 9 months ago
@liberalmike1994
There is no point in talking about international action since we can't control other countries like China, and Russia or any anyone else who wants to deal in arms including their "mafia" from selling and distributing guns around the world.
Blaming the people who are the least responsible is unfair and doesn't deal with the root of the problem. If there is a demand, there will be a supply. Organized crime, terrorist groups, and rogue states thrives on the black market.
Vulcan750L 9 months ago
@liberalmike1994
Over a million people were killed in Rwanda mostly by machete. I don't think ending the gun trade will end violence. People who want to kill each other will find a way to kill each other. Guns are just the preferred way.
Genocide and warfare have been going on for man's entire history, long before guns were ever invented. To blame violence on the guns itself is just liberal naivete and ignorance.
Let's ban machetes, axes, knives, and pointy sticks while we're at it.
Vulcan750L 9 months ago
@Vulcan750L The problem is that guns (in the wrong hands) allow a relativly small number of people to control and opress a much larger group. In the same way that I wouldn't blame a child who got a gun and misused it I'm not going to blame an uneducated african villager raised in a society torn apart by tribalism for misusing a gun because there's no point. We can't easily brring an end to tribalism but we can easily reduce the damage it does by being more careful who gets guns.
liberalmike1994 8 months ago
@liberalmike1994
You seem to have a low opinion of uneducated African villagers. You are comparing them to children who don't know better. So you think if they had college degrees, they wouldn't be so violent? LOL
Did you understand anything I said?
Africans and all of mankind have been killing each other for thousands of years. Getting rid of guns isn't going to stop all that. Machetes work just fine and is reusable, not like bullets that you have to keep on buying and replacing.
Vulcan750L 8 months ago
@Vulcan750L From a mathmatical standpoint better education does reduce violent crime and gun control does decrease the murder rate. However from a purely logical point of veiw how does adding more powerful weapons to a civil war make any sense. A minority (take the regime in burma as an example) can more easily control and persecute a majority with guns than they can with melee weapons.
liberalmike1994 8 months ago
@liberalmike1994
Tell that to the Rwandans. I'm sure they'll be interested in your theory. Over a million of them were killed by machete.
Reread my previous statements. I don't want to keep repeating myself.
I get this feeling you're just not listening. You have a view that contradicts reality. It doesn't seem to matter what the facts are, you will believe what you want to believe, apparently.
Vulcan750L 8 months ago
@Vulcan750L tell that to the jews,gypsies,gays,nigerians,libyans,burmese,kurds,...etc. who have been massacred with GUNS throughout history. Gun's aren't naturally bad but allowing them to be added to a situation that is already violent simply isn't good. I'm listening to what your saying but it simply isn' supported by EVIDENCE. try considering what other people are saying it can be very enlightening.
liberalmike1994 8 months ago
@liberalmike1994
What EVIDENCE? Am I saying that guns are not used to kill people? Is that the "strawman" argument you are trying to use?
My argument is that guns are only the preferred way of killing people. There are many ways to kill without guns. Mankind has been waging war and genocide for many thousands of years before guns came to existence. Even if you were able to get rid of guns, it's not going to stop anything. The killing will go on.
Ever see Braveheart, or Gladiator?
Vulcan750L 8 months ago
@liberalmike1994
Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. If you get caught with an empty shell casing in your car, you will spend time in a Mexican prison. And yet, the country is full of guns. More people are gunned down in Mexico than Afghanistan. These are not uneducated African villagers.
This is reality in the real world, not theory or conjecture, or liberal fantasy and idealistic ideology. "Feel good" liberal policies don't work in the real world.
Vulcan750L 8 months ago
@Vulcan750L thats simply not true. The mexican constitution clearly states that citizens have the right to own guns. local gun laws in mexico are much stricter however all a person has to do to get a gun is pettition the defense ministry for a license. as for your claim that an empty shell casing can get a person jail time... theres simply no basis for that in mexican law. Mexican gun control is generally inefective because local gov. in mexico is practically owned by the cartells.
liberalmike1994 8 months ago
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Vulcan750L 8 months ago
@liberalmike1994
"Mexican gun control is generally inefective because local gov. in mexico is practically owned by the cartells."
No . . . Gun laws are ineffective because CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY GUN LAWS. Do you expect the drug cartels to line up at the police station to turn in their guns to conform to any laws? Get a clue!
Most of the guns are gotten from corrupt Mexican military officials. There are many ways a criminal gets around useless laws. That's just one of them.
Vulcan750L 8 months ago
@Vulcan750L you're claim about most of the guns in mexico being brought in by the military is not supported by facts. most guns in mexico are smuggled in by the cartels and every investigation into gun running in mexico has shown that. by your logic we should get rid of all laws because criminals inevitably won't follow them.
liberalmike1994 8 months ago
@liberalmike1994
The US government gives or sells weapons to the Mexican military to bolster their capabilities to fight against terrorism and drug lords. Corrupt officers in turn sell or give them to the drug cartels. It is indeed a fact. Look it up.
The point is, criminals have many ways of getting around useless laws.
Laws exist for the purpose of punishment. They have little effect on deterrence. Laws that are aimed at deterrence or prevention only affect law abiding citizens.
Vulcan750L 8 months ago
@Vulcan750L again , if deterenc and prevention only effect law abiding citizens what is the point of laws? no law abiding citizen is going to break the law or they would no longer be a law abiding citizen.
liberalmike1994 8 months ago
@liberalmike1994
Laws are for punishment. If there are no laws then you can't imprison someone for breaking the law if there is no law against it.
Making drugs illegal doesn't prevent people from doing or selling drugs. Illegal drugs are very easy to get. Easier than some legal drugs. Half the people I know do illegal drugs.
Making murder illegal doesn't mean people will stop killing each other. But it does allow you to punish them for it.
Vulcan750L 8 months ago
@Vulcan750L the entire point of punishment is to deter future incidents of that behavior (and to a lesser extent, get revenge for the victim)
liberalmike1994 6 months ago
@liberalmike1994
"the entire point of punishment is to deter future incidents of that behavior (and to a lesser extent, get revenge for the victim)"
And how is that working out?
Drugs and prostitution is illegal, so is murder. Illegal drugs are quite easy to get and people get murdered every day. Only someone as naive as yourself would think laws are an effective deterrence.
The prohibition era, when they tried to outlaw alcohol didn't work out too well either.
Vulcan750L 6 months ago
@Vulcan750L what alternative do you suggest?
liberalmike1994 5 months ago
@liberalmike1994
I suggest not making more useless laws especially on those that are not the ones causing the problem. Make effective laws that target the problem. And for some things, there should not be laws against at all cause they don't work. Instead, tax them and regulate them, and spend the money on education about their dangers instead.
Vulcan750L 3 months ago
Guns are inanimate objects, with no feelings, emotions, and mental thought. Hence, they cannot be said to be "evil".
NO TO ARMS TRADE TREATY!
NO TO GUN CONTROL!
falluj 1 year ago
@falluj so are drugs, child pornography and some people. That argument is utterly pointless. Some level of gun control is necessary in any nation that hopes to be sucessful.
liberalmike1994 9 months ago
its a vicous circul and every1 wants to get paid..
NTBushPilot 1 year ago
If you stop the demand you will stop the supply. Kill those African war lords / rapists. Oh yea you can't... Africa is too messed up, the people will just continue to die until they decide enough is enough. You cant punish the whole world especially the US for owning guns. If you want to make a difference go to Africa and start a refugee camp with American security.
oklikeuknow 1 year ago
@oklikeuknow its what we do with the guns we do not have. arms trade is a multi-billion dollar industry. do you think US, china, and russia will cease that? the answer is no. they will fight on the public grounds that these people who do this are bad and that they need to be stopped but when it comes down the the bare bottom, we are not stopping. war = money it's history my friends :)
Landminesbaby 1 year ago
tough shit. we are not going to treaty ourselves into international law over our own constitution, and if someone did, they would be forever removed from office in the United States very quickly. I bought my 2nd handgun yesterday, and it aint my fault that this crap is going on in Africa.
this was an interesting bit of propaganda, thanks for uploading it.
bigcountrylolz 1 year ago
@bigcountrylolz and it is an international gun treaty, where do you guys get the idea that we are not going to be allowed to have guns in the US? : / that is silly, the world just does not want these war torn countries such easy, cheap access to weapons.
Landminesbaby 1 year ago
Sad how desperate the NRA is to protect their 2nd Amentment 'rights' at the cost of so many lives, they're no better than the Islamists who choose IEDs to kill in the name of their God.
a3a14613 1 year ago