people are afraid of what they can't understand. so what, its perfectly fine for 2 hot girls to get it on, or a guy to screw a girl in the ass because there not married but god forbid that two men that love each other get married? oh yeah, that makes sense.
Ahahaha IGNORANCE. Can people really have the stupidity to believe that you can choose what to and who to love and what to be attracted to? Lmao. Did you choose to be straight, didnt think so.
All I want is the same rights everyone else has that was born in america. I don't want to be special, I want to be equal. People can disagree about it all they want but that doesn't give them the right to deny me my rights.
why would anyone even care about that? how the hell does it hurts anyone? if you're a religious person just pray for them or something, they're not religious and they can choose who they want to marry to.
I guess when I think of oppression I think discrimination and racism. Which might I point out is not happening to gays. The fact that they can't get married is what we are arguing about here. Maybe in the 80's gays were discriminated against, but not now.
This "bs" as you put it is in question because marriage is defined as a union between one man and one woman. That's how it is in websters and that's how it is in our laws.
Webster is wrong and the law is Discriminating against gays....Period!
Blacks & whites weren't aloud to marry each other. And women didn't have the right to vote.
That's called oppression & discrimination.
Gays aren't aloud the same right to marry the person they love, that's called discrimination & if gays want to serve there country like any other American they have to lie about there sexuality or they are not aloud into the military, I call that being oppressed (held back)!
it may be the law but it doesnt make it Right, Think about it, who the hell is the government to decide who you can or cant fall in love with? i don't support gays, but in reality it is nobodies decision but the 2 people that love each other, they arn't hurting anyone with their union, they are exercising their civil right. the government says what is best for you? you have no say what you put in your mouth? who you can and cant fall in love with?,it is not the governments choice...
You don't realize that the govt already dictates everything you do? Under Obama's presidency you will be FORCED to change to his horrible health care bill. I say this. If they want to get a union then let them get a union, but don't call it a marriage. Marriage is based in religion. That's how they do it over seas. Gays get unions not marriages over there. What bothers me is when gay couples pitch fits because they can't get married in churches. Hello, it's against our faith to allow you
guys to get married in our places of worship. You would never see a gay couple demanding to be wed in a muslim holy site. The govt already says what's best for us, how we are to live, what we should put into our mouths (fat tax) and even who we can and cannot fall in love with (incest laws etc). So how is this any different? Besides the govt is the people, or it used to be til Obama got in office and started ignoring the people. The people do not want this. It's the majority rule.
and not trying to start anything but every group of people in this world have face oppressions and unjust actions. if you want someone who should sympathize with gays, it would be the jews since they have been persecuted since before the middle ages.
Shame on political correctness. Shame on america. "the land of the free" MY ASS!!! The religious nutcases of this world would want you to believe that same sex marriage is bad. However, Catholics have no issues with fingering little boys, and chistians have no issues with surpressing your desires, genetic or fabricated. Leave peoples rights alone america. The religious right is responisble for much hate in the country and the world. Ass fuck a christian and say "i love you"
wow, what happened to you to make you hate an entire group of people who don't hate you? You do realize that muslims and other groups like them go further than christians and even in some cases kill people who are homosexuals? So before you start spouting hatred, you might want to be informed on who is more of an extreme. I must say your argument seems to be more about cussing and spreading hatred than about actual facts. Sorry but that's my opinion. God Bless!
ummm let me remind you that christianity didn't start on the rise until the first crusade and until the first crusade the muslims had the majority of the land. so ya...i'm a history major don't debate with me about the killings of various religious groups. pagans, and muslims, have been around with more influence for longer than christians.
@mikeandlaurie1979 homosexuality is a sin. As for the rest of your diatribe...gotta go with a big WTF??? you're all over the place. what "rights" are you talking about? you have a "right" to sodomy?? you have a "right" to be homosexual?? sorry, but ...no. go back to the rock you crawled out from. and take laurie back with you.
@bsgoalie101 i disagree, it is no sin. the only "sin" is that people like you actually stain a good country. seriously, your idea of sin and god is a form of mental illness. i suppose that if a black man were to marry your daughter.... that would be a sin too? it's all of you "sin" talkers that are caught giving blow jobs in the mens bathrooms and molesting small kids and having affairs, then asking for gods forgiveness. you mentally ill monkey.
@mikeandlaurie1979 wow...really? what a shame. yes, i agree, shame on political correctness, shame on people judging homosexuals. but you saying that christianity is the cause of hate in the world? wow. you do realize that homosexuals have the world wrapped around their finger. the people who recieve the MOST HATE are those that even dare to mildly question homosexual behaviors. there is a huge difference between judging people, and questioning what is accepted & deciding what is wrong or right.
It would be hypocritical for this country to illegalize gay marriage as the only arguments against it are religious ones, and besides those arguments being bullshit the government is constitutionally obligated to NOT enforce laws in the name of religion. Anyone who still believes it's wrong, or it's a choice, is another pound on the weights holding America down. They're the true degenerates.
I still can't get over how some people in this day and age, even with scientific evidence, still believe being LGBT is a choice - AND that that's what the argument is about for them.
It is a choice to be gay, you aren't born gay. Science has proven that the statement "I was born gay" is false. The studies have shown the pools growing smaller and smaller til there was none left. There is no gene that has been found that proves you are born gay.
@GummiBands - I would LOVE for you to show me these studies that show one cannot be "born" gay! PLEASE post a link, so that all might see how right you are.
"til there was none left"? Just what on earth are you talking about? Homosexuality? So you're saying there are no homosexuals anymore?
Everybody knows marriage is between a man and a woman. But I think homosexual people want it to feel normal and a little less guilty for cutting themselves short.
The term marriage is between a man and woman.... If homosexual people want to enter into a partnership I feel it should be perfectly legal but the term marriage should stay between a man and a woman.
"Sitting in a Durham County jail cell, Frank Lombard, the Duke University researcher accused of offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex, awaits a trip to Washington, D.C., this week to face federal criminal charges.
Federal authorities say Lombard, 42, performed sexual acts on his son and invited an undercover investigator online to fly to North Carolina and do the same.
Lombard owns the home with another man, according to Durham County property records."
Look I'm going to say this having been a child of abuse. It happens whether you are black, white, asian, mexican, etc, straight, gay or bisexual. It doesn't mean that gay parents are worse than straight parents or are more likely to abuse their children. It's a mentality that you have when you raise children that determines the welfare of that child. So this guy was gay and he molested a kid. That doesn't prove much. Just that it happens to people of all walks of life.
It's like this Playitalready, if you don't like same sex couples, then leave them alone, and trust me, they'll do exactly the same for you. If you don't like same sex weddings, then don't attend one. If you don't like Gay Pride Parades, then don't go to one. You know, Homosexuals don't say a word about what the Heterosexuals do in Mardi Gras or Carnivale in Rio, or Panama City Florida during spring break. Homosexuals respect the rights to privacy to others, including those that hate them.
who said im not leaving them alone? if you guys wana end this fine. all i did was leave my comments. if YOU dont like what ALL bonafide religious teachings say about homo-sex, dont bring it up. if u dont wana marry a bride, dont. if u dont like the bio meaning of sex, dont do it. if u dont like the legal meaning of marriage, dont marry a bride. have all the anal sex u want, call it love or marriage if u want, just dont protest our laws based on ur homo impulses/beliefs
Okay, if you insist on bringing religion into this picture, what makes you think that there is no such thing as Homosexual people in every religion? Did you even know of the fact that there are Christian denominations that are inclusive to Homosexuals and Gay Marriages? Did you even know that there are Gay Christians?
again with your b.s. strawman arguments. there ARE homo people around everywhere. i never debated that. some people twist religion around to say its ok. i NEVER debated that. but as a SIDE argument, homo impulses ARE there according to SOME science and eastern religion for reasons. BUT homo ACTS are NOT natural or moral. your distorted religous OR science views wont change that. 2 men cant reproduce OR HAVE SEX. the anus is NOT a sex organ. marriage isnt about husband and husband. deal wiht it
justike; im done with u. u and homo people should be happy they can have anal with other men and call it love or marriage. the love aspect never bothered me, and im not bothering to care about the other stuff. its a joke to me. i believe, as per science and spiritual teachings, people may end up with homo impulses. its their problem to DEAL WITH. and have equal rights to live and not be robbed molested raped fired etc. based on being gay. BUT...
Look the bible speaks against homosexuality. So if you are gay in my opinion you aren't a christian. Just like you aren't a christian if you go around and sleep with your boyfriend or anyone outside of wedlock. They may claim to be Christians, but they are going against some of gods most basic commands. I'm not trying to start a religious debate, just clear something things up.I don't care about gays getting together, call it a union not a marriage, marriage is a religious belief.
continued...Godless society huh? Did you know that even Gay Christians love God just as much as Straight Christians? And if you imply that Homosexuals are sinners, well aren't Heterosexuals sinners too?
alotta people who claim to be a christian or atheist or hindu or agnostic do a lot of things. some good or bad. that changes and proves NOTHING. where did i say sinners? there are gay and straight people who sin yeah. AND? lol. having homo sex is NOT the right thing to do. and yes, straights do a LOT of immoral things related to sex, marriage, or what ever. last i checked 2 wrongs dont make a right. DONT try to jump to religion, at least not until u SEEN the 1st few vids on my channel
OMG. seriously why are you trying to debate about this. my personal interpretations of the bible vs.the historical aspect of it? I DONT READ OR LIKE THE BIBLE! I DONT! your either ILLITERATE and ASSUME everything or your on purpose trying to create a strawman argument.
Well then, if you don't read the bible and/or are not willing to debate this, then don't talk about spiritual matters in regards to Homosexuality. Much to your dismay, there are Gay Christians, Gay Bhuddists, Gay Athiests, Gay Hindus, Gay Seventh Day Adventists, etc., who's religious freedoms where imposed on by the Mormon & Evangelical churches. How do you suppose the Mormon & Evangelical churches would react if ever the state forced them to perform gay marriage?
i didnt realize theres a false dilema you can impose that says either you have to debate using the BIBLE or dont debate at all. i didnt realize that people being gay and CLAIMING to be apart of all those religions proves anything. people have LBGT and straight impulses. but the male penis still wasnt designed to be shoved into the male anus. its sodomy. righteous behavior is to CONTROL ALL SEX impulses until marriage. homos cant have sex so dont have so dont have sex or marriage
u already made an ass of yourself by assuming ima bible thumper and thats the issue. its not. u can believe only atheists and atheists orgs can get laws passed. your wrong. any1 can believe or do what they want in their own home. but lets not force your beliefs of marriage or sex into law. it DOESNT MATTER who supported prop 8. MILLIONS of people, dark skin or not, religous or not, christian or not, did. we THE PEOPLE spoke. its our right. btw see the 10th amendment.
...its NOT A RIGHT to force your homo impulse based BELIEF on what marriage is into our laws. i agree with all they said about marriage i.e. love/contract etc. but NOT where they wana delete the man and wife part. do that at home, NOT in our laws! ALL people must avoid sex until MARRIAGE, infertle or not. 2 men CANT have sex! its not marriage! biology or spirituality BOTH confirm!! ...
Sorry for not responding soon enough. I'm just now getting over my shock & grief of MJ's passing. Anyway, read this again: oh really? How? Andwho do you suppose is forcing their beliefs on others? Mormon churches with Prop 8 or the state? Who do suppose is trying to force bonfide born as Homosexuals back into the closet? the GLBT community or Religious Fundamentalists?
*i mean not all impulses are natural for PEOPLE TO ACT OUT! the playlist i have is called homosexuality. webster CHANGED what marriage is cause of homos and their groups pressures. its BIAS and incorrect now
To Playitalready stop yr hurtful words, put simply.. u R bigoted u R irrational u R unfriendly u R unkind u R segregational u R a persecutor u R disrespectful u R unsociable AND...
AND....all these claims you made are b.s. i never said homo couples should get all rights as other people; so good for obama. i think your confusing me with some1 else who informed you obama accepts marriage as between a man and women. i never denied homo couples from doing anal stuff or whatever and calling it love or marriage or whatever in their HOME. its not a right for ANY1 to FORCE THEIR version of marriage into law, be it racist kkk using skin color, or homo groups.
If the Christians calls their god as the one and only god DOES NOT mean they can vote to DISALLOW the Muslim the rights to call their Islam a religion of god right?
Similarly,..
So why should straight people who believes that marriage is between and man and woman be allowed to deny the gay's rights to call their union a marriage in the eyes of the law?
you seem to have no knowledge of God and religion. the god of christianity is the same god of islam; the god of abraham. allah means god in arabic! same god made those people made ALL people. ALL religion says homo couples are wrong (hindus/buddhists explain why some people naturally HAVE homo impulses and what to do). you asked a LOADED QUESTION; u DONT have a "Right" To call all unions marriage into law. if ur anti God's law theres still biology/english/courts that you CANT ignore
feleo; stop your strawman or personal attack fallacy arguments. maybe u should SEE my homo-playlist to know what i think/WHY before opening your biggot mouth if you expect me to come back and talk! all men can marry the bride they want or not marry ,do anal, call it ANYTHING they choose at home. we dont have to be FORCED to legally redefine marriage and ignore NOT ONLY religious principles but also biology, laws, and english. thats NOT a right. not all IMPULSES are natural,moral or marriage
Since u understand the terrible feeling of me "labelling" U "unjustly"
Humans DO feel respected/ disrespected by the gov's label on their actions (marriage OR civil union) which directly reflects whether the gov treats gays as an equal citizen..
Its like A (the tea expert) and B (the housewife) brew exactly the same tea, but the taster would only call A THE MASTER'S BREW and relegating B to being THE HOUSEWIFE'S BREW when both their teas are basically the same recipe, method and tastes..
A fair Gov's labeling MUST reflect their SECULAR AND NON-PARTISAN nature.
The straight and religious can disagree with a gay union as a marriage as a PERSONAL OPINION, BUT the gov MUST show secularity and non-partisanship by giving both straight and gays the same treatment
EXAMPLE
If a Christian thinks that their religion is the only true religion as a personal opinion but the SECULAR gov MUST NOT think that way!
homos can believe and do anything they want in their home. but their beliefs cant be forced into law. biology is science and is mostly objective. the legal/english meaning of marriage cant be altered based on homo impulses/beliefs or kkk racism.
If the housewife and the tea expert brew exactly the same tea, IT SHOULD BE simply called THE GOOD TEA instead of misleading the tasters's opinion of the quality of the tea
by unfairly calling one The Master's Tea and the other The Averager's Tea
When the gays asks for the gov to legally state their union as a marriage they are ony asking the GOVERNMENT, not the christians or dissenters. The chritians and the dissenters can of course carry on not to endorse the gay marriage as its their own PERSONAL BELIEFS AND OPINIONS, nobody can force someone else to change their PERSONAL opinion in a free country ..
(just as atheist can carry on saying that the Bible is a fictional storybook as a personal opionion)
As an individual differential entity, as the saying goes "You ARE entitled to yr own opinion"
BUT the secular non-partisan government is a different entity, it is bound by law to be fair and secular towards ALL social legitimate groups..
Denying gay marriage to gays shows its bias AGAINST gays, n FOR the straights. Allowg marriage to both sexlity shows its even-handed, AND straights are still entitled to their opinions about gays as noone wil prosecute them for those opinions..
there is only marriage and non married people. gay marriage is a made up term but a bias group. you can feel gay all u want but if a man wants to make a women his wife and theres other conditions like conscent age etc etc. EVERYONE should and DOES have that right
i dont know where u live but in my country the GOVT is of the people, BY the people, and FOR the people. in a private home u can do and believe almsot anything. in public if u want benefits and labels u must qualify OBJECTIVLEY.
That's BS and you know it. What gays want is for society to accept THEIR sexual choices as though they are normal and right. You know full well that gays will then seek special protection from the government under the guise of civil rights. FORCING everyone to treat them as if they agree with THEIR choices. It's robbing everyone of THEIR freedom of speech, THEIR freedom of thought. THEIR freedom to raise THEIR children how they see fit. and some of THEIR freedom of religion.
Have you forgotten that this is the land of the free ?
Everyone have different lifestyles and beliefs and nobody have to agree with everyone else, ultimately the secular non-partisan gov MUST show its fairness by giving marriage to BOTH gays and straight.
Don't use the children as the excuse to deny equal rights for others, you despicable !
The children themselves will grow up as adults themselves and will have the same freedom to choose what to believe in, ok?
Your the one who is despicable. The children will grow up in an environment where homosexuality is acceptable despite their parents objections
This has nothing to do with freedom, rights, or "love" And everything to do with forcing society to say that what you and your buddies do together is right. If gay marriage were legalized it would only be a short time before the litigation came against churches who deny the use of their facilities. Homosexuals are doing it now. Not forcing anything? right
thank you for your words!! homosexuals demand to be married in churches! it's spitting in the face of god and the christians in my church when they do. No homosexual should be allowed to force a church to marry them. It's against our religion and you would never see a homosexual try and force himself inside of a muslim holy site to be married. it wouldn't happen.
Thanks, Matthew 9 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? 12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
The whole Gay marriage debate is stupid. If your straight and are against it stay out of it, same really goes if you support it. Just accept us for humans and that's it, no difference. Keep religion and politics out of it as well. Now that would be a good world.
Nobody is FORCING u to accept gay marriage, if u shout at the top of yr voice against gay marriage, the law is NOT GOING TO PROSECUTE you for saying such..
and stop parading yourself around as bigots, it only makes u look ugly as a human being..
I'm not a bigot. Nor are most who are against gay marriage. A bigot is intolerant to others. I couldn't care less if you and your butt buddies plug each other in the ass until your insides fall out. But when you try to force society to say that it's right Then it's my business.
exactly. SAME. ALL men should be called married if they find and marry a bride. if they dont, DONT. but lets not pretend homo couples or a single parent are the same as a hetro couples. maybe in homo impulses idealistic land, but not in reality.
If you want the gov to disallow gays to get married,..
.. it cannot be by religious doctrines as this is a free country and a secular gov
..it cannot be by your unsubstantiated disgust towards the gays as this is a form of bigotry that the secular gov cannot condone
..it cannot be by your reasoning to protect the children from becoming gays unless U scientifically prove that being gay/straight is not genetic.. so far the world have not conclusively proven so..
who said i want to disallow gays? YOU. i dont. gay men can marry the bride they want or not marry if the dont like any brides. i never said gay impulses arent genetic. not all impulses are good! ALL people should control sex impulses for LIFE. eventually if u must have sex, thats what marriage is for! even for INFERTLE couples! but sorry, the anus is NOT a sex organ. theres no need to regulate sex life for homos with marriage. there wont be many bastards resulting
can? our state ALREADY defined marriage. we voted to protect it and the judges DID uphold it. nice try shifting the burdon of proof. like i said any1 can do almost anything the want but lets be honest; u wana redefine marriage again. redefining marriage based on skin color or homo impulses cant be FORCED. our state upheld REAL marriage and ALL men have equal chance to marry a bride they love or opt not to. if u ASKED us to redefine it thatd be at least honest productive talk
since u proved to be too arrogant ignorant biggoted etc. to not even bother to acknowledge my homo-playlist in these comments and furthered this b.s. talks ill ignore u and NOT read or reply to any more comments here. P.M me if u wana see what i think/why/evidence on the playlist or bye. btw hinduism/buddhism etc. arent religions there science/religion proving their validity/reliability go study or see my 1st 3 vidsit what it says is right always unless u only know western b.s. understandings
there are spiritual and or natural reasons to have homo impulses in humans and animals. but people can realize not all impulses are natural or moral or apart of marriage. believe what u want, but society can and SHOULD and will accept BOTH religion/biology and uphold legal/english defenitions. DEAL with it. homo groups are becoming a joke to me
after reading through your senseless ramblings, I DID NOT FIND AN OUNCE of sensible argument or material evidence or justification to validate your pleadings..
You have not even addressed my call POINT BY POINT (see my prev posts), ramblings are just not quality answers..
People like you will only live their pathetic lives in cohorts with hateful anti-gays, scoffing at dissenters..
My child is taught to treat gay people as equal and having the same human rights as the straight people.
My child will grow up to be generous, kind honorable and respectful and gain all-round respect from pple from all walks of life who are just as honorable..
i never preached anti gay things or that goes should not KEEP the same human rights they ALREADY have (btw so animals dont count? u decide who should have rights? do u buy flesh from animals for taste?)
some girls would love to marry a man + a girl (bi's) or their cousin and get marriage benefits and refer to it as a civil rights movement and thats is natural cause animals do it or that its not immoral cause that would be a religion thing. citizens dont have to take it in america at least
Hah. You really think that Homosexuality in the Animal Kingdom doesn't exist. Go ahead and type that up in any search engine, in fact go ahead and type that up in the Youtube search engine and sit back and watch. I think the National Geographics one will have you think twice.
everyone is a sinner in the eyes of god. but if you are a christian you are striving towards the face of the cross and obeying all of gods commandments. to be homosexual and call yourself a christian is to ignore Leviticus completely. you must not pick and choose what you like from the bible. I may want to flip my abusive father the bird but god demands I respect him. so I do, but within the limits to keep myself safe.
I think it should be legal. I know i wouldnt want someone to tell me i couldnt marry someone i loved, and im sure i speak for everyone there. I think homosexuals deserve the right to be with who they want as do others. i mean this "IS" America after all, its supposed to mean freedom right? freedom of speech freedom to choose? Before the same sex law was passed everything was fine. Theres just too many close-minded people here. what a shame.
If people vote according to religious belief, it cannot be truely called a LAND OF THE FREE, because the system allow a majority religious believers to impose their beliefs on policy making and force other people to live under their belief system..
why would u rather be an unkind tyrant and dictator just to fulfill yr church segregational doctrines ..
..RATHER THAN be a kind, engaging soul who embraces diversity and have friendship with other kind souls from different belief groups for the sake of our next generation of humanity
Anyone that says no is a hippocrate. Who cares? If it's not you, why worry? Im completely straight and I have a significant so why do I care who the next person marries.
Religion is nothing! As this lady said "in the church?" Stop the foolishness! You are only reciting the ignorance you were taught! Where else do people get married?
Stop being ignorant! Taxes, etc. mean nothing. If someone wants to marry, who cares, as long as they are in love!!!
Take out the possibility of having artificially inceminated babies. Now make everyone an homosexual and not conscious of the possibility of having a baby if mating with the other sex.
What scenario do you have ?!?! Extinction.
The CREATOR NEVER INTENTED FOR HOMOSEXUALITY. It is a psychological disorder.
I respect homosexuals and lesbians. I just don't think it's natural FOR HUMANS who are not hermaphrodite. Imo they should have the right to marry only under the state. Flame on.
how can it be possible for all people to be gay ? unless the straight men themselves can be so easily turned into gay, but that really shows straight men are not that straight anyway if they so easily become gay..
The point is most men are straight by nature n will not become gay so easily..
U said it yrself, with InVitro fertiilisation and new technologies its possible to reproduce, no extinction..
Even str8 couples themselves are adopting technology like InVitro (IVF) to reproduce..
Who cares if religious pple endorse the gay men's sexuality?
(Its mostly Christian doctrines, the world is made of other religions too which has nothing against gay)
As long as the SECULAR gov don't physically abuse or interfere with the gay's rights to live their lives and be respected by the gov as an equal contributing citizen as all tax-paying citizens should be..
If a nation and its gov claims to be a SECULAR nation, then it should not be unfairly favouring any religions or cultures to treat another social group of tax-paying citizens unequally..
Call yourself SECULAR gov only if you behave in a fair and secular ways, the US states are mostly non-secualr AS most R controlled by fundamentalist Christians whose purpose is to persecute dissenters..
How ironic, Christians, historically persecuted by the Romans, R now the PERSECUTOR
Look....two dudes sticking their dicks in each others asses and calling it "love" is sick. Two women kissing and licking each others vagina/labia and calling it love is sick. The sick demented acts are disgusting, and society always votes NO on every ballet initiative. NO TO MARRIAGE! A few sellouts in black robes stick up their middle finger to the people and legislate for the homo money from the bench. A smart man once said, "The stinch from the bench is making me clench!"
IT IS CERTAINLY NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT YAH BLOODY ASSHOLE PRIKE, THAT IS BLASPHOMEY AGAINST THE WORDS OF THE ALHPA AND THE OMEGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. it is wrong!!!
My cousin is a Lesbian. I think most of my family knew ever since she was a very young girl who liked Power Rangers, and instead of dolls, or make up, she preferred playing toy bows & arrows. As much as my aunte and uncle tried to conform her at a very young age, it just didn't work. I'm Heterosexual guy, and it would be the same if some nut tried to force me to kiss another man, and/or suppress my innate sexuality. So RAPSUCK, how did you know you were a Heterosexual when growing up?
I fail to see what my sexuality has to do with the debate of whether society should be forced to say homosexuality is right. Homosexuality is a choice not something forced on someone. She may be a tom boy. She might even want to be a male. But that doesn't force her to have sex with other women. And society doesn't have to condone her choice.
As much as I disagree with your idea that Human sexuality (Hetero, Bi, Homo) are all choices, I'd like to ask you....so what if it's choice? What right does it give you to interfere within the choices any individuals would make in their personal life?
Society isn't interfering with that choice. They just aren't approving it. What right do homos have to attempt to force society to condone their choices?
It's not about having to force society to condone their choices, because that's none of anyone's business of what goes on behind closed doors between two consenting adults. This is about rights that have been severely denied to tax-paying citizens of this country. The US Constitution garanttees rights to everyone, regardless of race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. And yet Gay Marriage is denied. What would you do if your marriage rights were taken away?
The US Constitution is open to interpretation considering that when the writers wrote, "all men are created equal" they didn't refer to women, their slaves, and the poor. Today, that's all changed. The US Consitution does guaranttee rights to any tax-paying citizen regardless of race, gender, and sexual orientation.I'll answer your question if you'll answer these:
Who wrote Prop 8? Church or State?
Who took away the Marriage rights of Gay Couples in California with Prop 8? Church or State?
Sorry, for not responding soon enough, but I had to hit the sack for work. Anyway, who do suppose is responsible for the scary TV commercial aired all over California, portraying Homosexuals as some monster, and that implied "vote Yes on Prop 8 or go to hell"....??? State or Church? Pick one.
I'm still waiting for the answer to my question. Could it be that this isn't about rights or fagget marriage? Could it be that homo's are simply trying to force their lifestyle on everyone?
Gays not trying to force their beliefs on society HUH? What's this shit then? (REMOVE SPACES)
The thing that irks me most about that news article is how little kids are highly prone to imitating damn near everything they see. And since I believe homosexuality is a choice, that story really bothers me.
It's most definitely not a movement for equality, because they argue against polygamy and incestuous marriage. If it was simply about the right to love whomever you please and marry that person, then they should have no opposition to polygamy or incestuous marriage. Just marriage, right?
Incestuous marriage - NO, because it potentially leads to a genetically compromised next generation? NO, because it muddles the relationship between family members, and infidelity if the parent is involved?
Polygamy - NO, because it immediately condones and glorifies infidelity ? NO, because it is too costly to maintain a few families? NO, because it divides a person's wealth and leads to ill-provided children? (Not everyone is rich ya know)
Let's apply those same arguments against homosexual marriage, shall we?
Gay marriage: NO, because it potentially leads to the child becoming a homosexual. NO, because it muddles the relationship between family members.
NO because it glorifies and condones infidelity. NO, because it is too costly to also support gay marriage. NO because it leads to ill-provided children (studies show a child has the best environment with both a mom and a day)
it is too simplistic to classify gay marriage with incestuous and polygamy marriage.
Be an adult with an analytical mind by analysing all the pros and cons, merits and demerits, rights and wrongs of these relationships before u lump them together..
I am analyzing. I'm not saying it's the same; I'm saying they are hypocrites fighting for equality then using the VERY SAME ARGUMENTS that are used against them against polygamy and incestuous.
To me, if they want to earn my respect and my condoning for marriage, they have to stop being hypocritical jackasses and actually support a CAUSE without being selfish pricks. Until then, I label them as selfish faggots.
4) Why is it more costly to support gay marriage than hetero marriage?
5) How is it a financially able gay couple will ill-provide their kids?
6) I do agree that the gay couple's child will feel stressed out having a gay parent, but the problem could lie with society's bigoted opinions that makes the child uncomfortable.
You are so fucking deluded. You can defend those claims all you want, but I'm showing how it could be used against gay marriage. You know, the same STUPID PIECE OF SHIT ARGUMENTS you used against triad and incestuous marriage?
This has nothing to do with marriage or rights or love or any of that horse shit. They want society to openly endorse their sexual choices. That is it. Society openly endorsing their lifestyle will defiantly affect OUR children's choices. This is an attack on every parent's rightsof freedom of speech, religion and thought. Parents should be allowed to raise THEIR CHILD how they want . It has nothing to do with rights.
its yr duty to educate yr child with the right values and grow up as a good person, don't blame other people's free will choice for affecting yr child..
EXAMPLE
If u are a Christian AND u want yr child to grow up to be Christian DOES NOT mean you can stop others from practising other religions..
The problem with some parents is that when their child becomes something other than their expectations, THEY choose to blame other people INSTEAD of reviewing whether they spend enough time teaching their child..
Heterosexuals do anal sex too, in fact they sometimes do animals, children, family members, put toys in there, lick at the orifices, role play, do 3-, 4-, or 10-way sex, sadomasochistic sex, suicidal sex, raping sex etc etc
So should we outlaw heterosexuals too?
And who are you to determine what sexual position others should adopt in the privacy of their bedroom ?
people are afraid of what they can't understand. so what, its perfectly fine for 2 hot girls to get it on, or a guy to screw a girl in the ass because there not married but god forbid that two men that love each other get married? oh yeah, that makes sense.
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surangagayan99 1 year ago
@panaboys7 No that's you and all the other trolls on here
86thislove 1 year ago
Haha choice? Being gay is not a choice, you were born that way. I'm shocked that people are still ignorant about this
86thislove 1 year ago
Ahahaha IGNORANCE. Can people really have the stupidity to believe that you can choose what to and who to love and what to be attracted to? Lmao. Did you choose to be straight, didnt think so.
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All I want is the same rights everyone else has that was born in america. I don't want to be special, I want to be equal. People can disagree about it all they want but that doesn't give them the right to deny me my rights.
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gay marriage is all about legalization of human sexual practices or human sexual behavior, thats it
migxp1 1 year ago
no marriage for butt sex.
MrTabby5000 1 year ago
Good interview. I think you got a pretty good cross example except for those who are outright against it.
Barneyjake 1 year ago
why would anyone even care about that? how the hell does it hurts anyone? if you're a religious person just pray for them or something, they're not religious and they can choose who they want to marry to.
TheCoyote890 1 year ago
homosexuality is a sin
bsgoalie101 1 year ago
@bsgoalie101 according to some fictional book written by man thousands of years ago
idaman12345 1 year ago
It is illegal under the U.S Bill. of Rights to deny gay couples to get married.
ECWExtremeist 1 year ago
you're awesome!!!
aintnomorecane 2 years ago
It seams to me that women and blacks should be the number one supporters of gay marriage!
They both faced the same unjust and unconstitutional BS that gay people are facing.
Blacks with slavery & the right to vote.
Women finally being given the right to vote.
Gay people do not have the same constitutional rights as the rest of Americans do! WTF is up with that BULLSHIT?
scorpionkings 2 years ago
I guess when I think of oppression I think discrimination and racism. Which might I point out is not happening to gays. The fact that they can't get married is what we are arguing about here. Maybe in the 80's gays were discriminated against, but not now.
This "bs" as you put it is in question because marriage is defined as a union between one man and one woman. That's how it is in websters and that's how it is in our laws.
GummiBands 2 years ago
Webster is wrong and the law is Discriminating against gays....Period!
Blacks & whites weren't aloud to marry each other. And women didn't have the right to vote.
That's called oppression & discrimination.
Gays aren't aloud the same right to marry the person they love, that's called discrimination & if gays want to serve there country like any other American they have to lie about there sexuality or they are not aloud into the military, I call that being oppressed (held back)!
scorpionkings 2 years ago
it may be the law but it doesnt make it Right, Think about it, who the hell is the government to decide who you can or cant fall in love with? i don't support gays, but in reality it is nobodies decision but the 2 people that love each other, they arn't hurting anyone with their union, they are exercising their civil right. the government says what is best for you? you have no say what you put in your mouth? who you can and cant fall in love with?,it is not the governments choice...
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
You don't realize that the govt already dictates everything you do? Under Obama's presidency you will be FORCED to change to his horrible health care bill. I say this. If they want to get a union then let them get a union, but don't call it a marriage. Marriage is based in religion. That's how they do it over seas. Gays get unions not marriages over there. What bothers me is when gay couples pitch fits because they can't get married in churches. Hello, it's against our faith to allow you
GummiBands 1 year ago
@GummiBands actually if you knew the origins of marriage you would notice it OUTDATES religion
idaman12345 1 year ago
guys to get married in our places of worship. You would never see a gay couple demanding to be wed in a muslim holy site. The govt already says what's best for us, how we are to live, what we should put into our mouths (fat tax) and even who we can and cannot fall in love with (incest laws etc). So how is this any different? Besides the govt is the people, or it used to be til Obama got in office and started ignoring the people. The people do not want this. It's the majority rule.
GummiBands 1 year ago
and not trying to start anything but every group of people in this world have face oppressions and unjust actions. if you want someone who should sympathize with gays, it would be the jews since they have been persecuted since before the middle ages.
GummiBands 2 years ago
Shame on political correctness. Shame on america. "the land of the free" MY ASS!!! The religious nutcases of this world would want you to believe that same sex marriage is bad. However, Catholics have no issues with fingering little boys, and chistians have no issues with surpressing your desires, genetic or fabricated. Leave peoples rights alone america. The religious right is responisble for much hate in the country and the world. Ass fuck a christian and say "i love you"
mikeandlaurie1979 2 years ago 7
wow, what happened to you to make you hate an entire group of people who don't hate you? You do realize that muslims and other groups like them go further than christians and even in some cases kill people who are homosexuals? So before you start spouting hatred, you might want to be informed on who is more of an extreme. I must say your argument seems to be more about cussing and spreading hatred than about actual facts. Sorry but that's my opinion. God Bless!
GummiBands 2 years ago
You might want to get informed of all the killings Christians have done in the name of GOD!
Trust me Muslims have nothing over on the Christians when it comes to barbaric treatment to other human beings!
scorpionkings 2 years ago
ummm let me remind you that christianity didn't start on the rise until the first crusade and until the first crusade the muslims had the majority of the land. so ya...i'm a history major don't debate with me about the killings of various religious groups. pagans, and muslims, have been around with more influence for longer than christians.
GummiBands 1 year ago
@mikeandlaurie1979 homosexuality is a sin. As for the rest of your diatribe...gotta go with a big WTF??? you're all over the place. what "rights" are you talking about? you have a "right" to sodomy?? you have a "right" to be homosexual?? sorry, but ...no. go back to the rock you crawled out from. and take laurie back with you.
bsgoalie101 1 year ago
@bsgoalie101 i disagree, it is no sin. the only "sin" is that people like you actually stain a good country. seriously, your idea of sin and god is a form of mental illness. i suppose that if a black man were to marry your daughter.... that would be a sin too? it's all of you "sin" talkers that are caught giving blow jobs in the mens bathrooms and molesting small kids and having affairs, then asking for gods forgiveness. you mentally ill monkey.
mikeandlaurie1979 1 year ago
@mikeandlaurie1979 wow...really? what a shame. yes, i agree, shame on political correctness, shame on people judging homosexuals. but you saying that christianity is the cause of hate in the world? wow. you do realize that homosexuals have the world wrapped around their finger. the people who recieve the MOST HATE are those that even dare to mildly question homosexual behaviors. there is a huge difference between judging people, and questioning what is accepted & deciding what is wrong or right.
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vechorik 4 months ago
It would be hypocritical for this country to illegalize gay marriage as the only arguments against it are religious ones, and besides those arguments being bullshit the government is constitutionally obligated to NOT enforce laws in the name of religion. Anyone who still believes it's wrong, or it's a choice, is another pound on the weights holding America down. They're the true degenerates.
Yellothar4 2 years ago
I still can't get over how some people in this day and age, even with scientific evidence, still believe being LGBT is a choice - AND that that's what the argument is about for them.
freedomordeath 2 years ago 5
It is a choice to be gay, you aren't born gay. Science has proven that the statement "I was born gay" is false. The studies have shown the pools growing smaller and smaller til there was none left. There is no gene that has been found that proves you are born gay.
GummiBands 1 year ago
@GummiBands - I would LOVE for you to show me these studies that show one cannot be "born" gay! PLEASE post a link, so that all might see how right you are.
"til there was none left"? Just what on earth are you talking about? Homosexuality? So you're saying there are no homosexuals anymore?
freedomordeath 1 year ago
I think gays should be allowed to marry. I think they should have the same right to make themselves as miserable as straight people.
hanscarter 2 years ago
Everybody knows marriage is between a man and a woman. But I think homosexual people want it to feel normal and a little less guilty for cutting themselves short.
JesseQuintana 2 years ago
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lol i have no idea where you have been but "normal" truely doesn't exist anymore....
Kingtunice 2 years ago
The term marriage is between a man and woman.... If homosexual people want to enter into a partnership I feel it should be perfectly legal but the term marriage should stay between a man and a woman.
stelly07 2 years ago
Why?
Yellothar4 2 years ago
"Sitting in a Durham County jail cell, Frank Lombard, the Duke University researcher accused of offering his adopted 5-year-old son for sex, awaits a trip to Washington, D.C., this week to face federal criminal charges.
Federal authorities say Lombard, 42, performed sexual acts on his son and invited an undercover investigator online to fly to North Carolina and do the same.
Lombard owns the home with another man, according to Durham County property records."
Any questions?
HarvardLawStudent 2 years ago
Yes. So people have never molested their children before? Our prison system's statistics show that most pedophiles are straight.
Yellothar4 2 years ago
Look I'm going to say this having been a child of abuse. It happens whether you are black, white, asian, mexican, etc, straight, gay or bisexual. It doesn't mean that gay parents are worse than straight parents or are more likely to abuse their children. It's a mentality that you have when you raise children that determines the welfare of that child. So this guy was gay and he molested a kid. That doesn't prove much. Just that it happens to people of all walks of life.
GummiBands 1 year ago
why do gays even wanna get married,the whole idea of being a homo is to be a degenerate.
killersheik 2 years ago
It's like this Playitalready, if you don't like same sex couples, then leave them alone, and trust me, they'll do exactly the same for you. If you don't like same sex weddings, then don't attend one. If you don't like Gay Pride Parades, then don't go to one. You know, Homosexuals don't say a word about what the Heterosexuals do in Mardi Gras or Carnivale in Rio, or Panama City Florida during spring break. Homosexuals respect the rights to privacy to others, including those that hate them.
jusitke07 2 years ago
Needs more incestuous marriage.
averagekid82 2 years ago
who said im not leaving them alone? if you guys wana end this fine. all i did was leave my comments. if YOU dont like what ALL bonafide religious teachings say about homo-sex, dont bring it up. if u dont wana marry a bride, dont. if u dont like the bio meaning of sex, dont do it. if u dont like the legal meaning of marriage, dont marry a bride. have all the anal sex u want, call it love or marriage if u want, just dont protest our laws based on ur homo impulses/beliefs
Playitalready 2 years ago
U are being DELUSIONAL
(nobody is forcing u to believe gay marriage, its yr imagination)
GO SEE A DOCTOR, you are sick
feoleo88 2 years ago
U tink gay marriage is wrong is yr personal opinion.
Who R u to be the moral police to pronounce what is right and wrong? Don't be a megalomaniac..
feoleo88 2 years ago
The more u ramble
the more u are showing off the bigot living inside U
the uglier u become
feoleo88 2 years ago
Okay, if you insist on bringing religion into this picture, what makes you think that there is no such thing as Homosexual people in every religion? Did you even know of the fact that there are Christian denominations that are inclusive to Homosexuals and Gay Marriages? Did you even know that there are Gay Christians?
jusitke07 2 years ago
again with your b.s. strawman arguments. there ARE homo people around everywhere. i never debated that. some people twist religion around to say its ok. i NEVER debated that. but as a SIDE argument, homo impulses ARE there according to SOME science and eastern religion for reasons. BUT homo ACTS are NOT natural or moral. your distorted religous OR science views wont change that. 2 men cant reproduce OR HAVE SEX. the anus is NOT a sex organ. marriage isnt about husband and husband. deal wiht it
Playitalready 2 years ago
justike; im done with u. u and homo people should be happy they can have anal with other men and call it love or marriage. the love aspect never bothered me, and im not bothering to care about the other stuff. its a joke to me. i believe, as per science and spiritual teachings, people may end up with homo impulses. its their problem to DEAL WITH. and have equal rights to live and not be robbed molested raped fired etc. based on being gay. BUT...
Playitalready 2 years ago
Look the bible speaks against homosexuality. So if you are gay in my opinion you aren't a christian. Just like you aren't a christian if you go around and sleep with your boyfriend or anyone outside of wedlock. They may claim to be Christians, but they are going against some of gods most basic commands. I'm not trying to start a religious debate, just clear something things up.I don't care about gays getting together, call it a union not a marriage, marriage is a religious belief.
GummiBands 1 year ago
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feoleo88 2 years ago
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THERE, i beat ya!
Playitalready 2 years ago
continued...Godless society huh? Did you know that even Gay Christians love God just as much as Straight Christians? And if you imply that Homosexuals are sinners, well aren't Heterosexuals sinners too?
jusitke07 2 years ago
alotta people who claim to be a christian or atheist or hindu or agnostic do a lot of things. some good or bad. that changes and proves NOTHING. where did i say sinners? there are gay and straight people who sin yeah. AND? lol. having homo sex is NOT the right thing to do. and yes, straights do a LOT of immoral things related to sex, marriage, or what ever. last i checked 2 wrongs dont make a right. DONT try to jump to religion, at least not until u SEEN the 1st few vids on my channel
Playitalready 2 years ago
Okay lets debate about this. You start off with your personal interpretations of the bible and I'll explain the historical aspect of it. Try me.
jusitke07 2 years ago
OMG. seriously why are you trying to debate about this. my personal interpretations of the bible vs.the historical aspect of it? I DONT READ OR LIKE THE BIBLE! I DONT! your either ILLITERATE and ASSUME everything or your on purpose trying to create a strawman argument.
Playitalready 2 years ago
Well then, if you don't read the bible and/or are not willing to debate this, then don't talk about spiritual matters in regards to Homosexuality. Much to your dismay, there are Gay Christians, Gay Bhuddists, Gay Athiests, Gay Hindus, Gay Seventh Day Adventists, etc., who's religious freedoms where imposed on by the Mormon & Evangelical churches. How do you suppose the Mormon & Evangelical churches would react if ever the state forced them to perform gay marriage?
jusitke07 2 years ago
i didnt realize theres a false dilema you can impose that says either you have to debate using the BIBLE or dont debate at all. i didnt realize that people being gay and CLAIMING to be apart of all those religions proves anything. people have LBGT and straight impulses. but the male penis still wasnt designed to be shoved into the male anus. its sodomy. righteous behavior is to CONTROL ALL SEX impulses until marriage. homos cant have sex so dont have so dont have sex or marriage
Playitalready 2 years ago
Do you know about the 1st Amendment Bill of Rights with the interpretational clause of Separation of Church & State is?
jusitke07 2 years ago
u already made an ass of yourself by assuming ima bible thumper and thats the issue. its not. u can believe only atheists and atheists orgs can get laws passed. your wrong. any1 can believe or do what they want in their own home. but lets not force your beliefs of marriage or sex into law. it DOESNT MATTER who supported prop 8. MILLIONS of people, dark skin or not, religous or not, christian or not, did. we THE PEOPLE spoke. its our right. btw see the 10th amendment.
Playitalready 2 years ago
...its NOT A RIGHT to force your homo impulse based BELIEF on what marriage is into our laws. i agree with all they said about marriage i.e. love/contract etc. but NOT where they wana delete the man and wife part. do that at home, NOT in our laws! ALL people must avoid sex until MARRIAGE, infertle or not. 2 men CANT have sex! its not marriage! biology or spirituality BOTH confirm!! ...
Playitalready 2 years ago
Sorry for not responding soon enough. I'm just now getting over my shock & grief of MJ's passing. Anyway, read this again: oh really? How? Andwho do you suppose is forcing their beliefs on others? Mormon churches with Prop 8 or the state? Who do suppose is trying to force bonfide born as Homosexuals back into the closet? the GLBT community or Religious Fundamentalists?
jusitke07 2 years ago
*i mean not all impulses are natural for PEOPLE TO ACT OUT! the playlist i have is called homosexuality. webster CHANGED what marriage is cause of homos and their groups pressures. its BIAS and incorrect now
Playitalready 2 years ago
feoleo88 2 years ago
feoleo; stop your childish name calling. personal attacks wont help your case. SAYING things wont make them fact; be it name calling or homo beliefs
Playitalready 2 years ago
AND...
u dont know the beauty of diversity
u R as dumb as some of our dumb ancestors
u R wrong, read the latest news about obama partially approving gay couples' benefits at work
u R the bane of our children's harmony
u R a dictator who deny others' rights to call their union a beautiful marriage
feoleo88 2 years ago
AND....all these claims you made are b.s. i never said homo couples should get all rights as other people; so good for obama. i think your confusing me with some1 else who informed you obama accepts marriage as between a man and women. i never denied homo couples from doing anal stuff or whatever and calling it love or marriage or whatever in their HOME. its not a right for ANY1 to FORCE THEIR version of marriage into law, be it racist kkk using skin color, or homo groups.
Playitalready 2 years ago
If the Christians calls their god as the one and only god DOES NOT mean they can vote to DISALLOW the Muslim the rights to call their Islam a religion of god right?
Similarly,..
So why should straight people who believes that marriage is between and man and woman be allowed to deny the gay's rights to call their union a marriage in the eyes of the law?
feoleo88 2 years ago
you seem to have no knowledge of God and religion. the god of christianity is the same god of islam; the god of abraham. allah means god in arabic! same god made those people made ALL people. ALL religion says homo couples are wrong (hindus/buddhists explain why some people naturally HAVE homo impulses and what to do). you asked a LOADED QUESTION; u DONT have a "Right" To call all unions marriage into law. if ur anti God's law theres still biology/english/courts that you CANT ignore
Playitalready 2 years ago
feleo; stop your strawman or personal attack fallacy arguments. maybe u should SEE my homo-playlist to know what i think/WHY before opening your biggot mouth if you expect me to come back and talk! all men can marry the bride they want or not marry ,do anal, call it ANYTHING they choose at home. we dont have to be FORCED to legally redefine marriage and ignore NOT ONLY religious principles but also biology, laws, and english. thats NOT a right. not all IMPULSES are natural,moral or marriage
Playitalready 2 years ago
Wait till karma falls on your head one day this life or the next life when u fall in love with the same sex.. haha
feoleo88 2 years ago
I dont plan on being reborn here again.
its not nice to say haha for those who were born into homosexuality or to enable. its nice to help them control their impulses (Straights too)
Playitalready 2 years ago
Since u understand the terrible feeling of me "labelling" U "unjustly"
Humans DO feel respected/ disrespected by the gov's label on their actions (marriage OR civil union) which directly reflects whether the gov treats gays as an equal citizen..
Its like A (the tea expert) and B (the housewife) brew exactly the same tea, but the taster would only call A THE MASTER'S BREW and relegating B to being THE HOUSEWIFE'S BREW when both their teas are basically the same recipe, method and tastes..
feoleo88 2 years ago
A fair Gov's labeling MUST reflect their SECULAR AND NON-PARTISAN nature.
The straight and religious can disagree with a gay union as a marriage as a PERSONAL OPINION, BUT the gov MUST show secularity and non-partisanship by giving both straight and gays the same treatment
EXAMPLE
If a Christian thinks that their religion is the only true religion as a personal opinion but the SECULAR gov MUST NOT think that way!
feoleo88 2 years ago
EXACTLY; non partisan.
homos can believe and do anything they want in their home. but their beliefs cant be forced into law. biology is science and is mostly objective. the legal/english meaning of marriage cant be altered based on homo impulses/beliefs or kkk racism.
Playitalready 2 years ago
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feoleo88 2 years ago
If the housewife and the tea expert brew exactly the same tea, IT SHOULD BE simply called THE GOOD TEA instead of misleading the tasters's opinion of the quality of the tea
by unfairly calling one The Master's Tea and the other The Averager's Tea
feoleo88 2 years ago
When the gays asks for the gov to legally state their union as a marriage they are ony asking the GOVERNMENT, not the christians or dissenters. The chritians and the dissenters can of course carry on not to endorse the gay marriage as its their own PERSONAL BELIEFS AND OPINIONS, nobody can force someone else to change their PERSONAL opinion in a free country ..
(just as atheist can carry on saying that the Bible is a fictional storybook as a personal opionion)
feoleo88 2 years ago
As an individual differential entity, as the saying goes "You ARE entitled to yr own opinion"
BUT the secular non-partisan government is a different entity, it is bound by law to be fair and secular towards ALL social legitimate groups..
Denying gay marriage to gays shows its bias AGAINST gays, n FOR the straights. Allowg marriage to both sexlity shows its even-handed, AND straights are still entitled to their opinions about gays as noone wil prosecute them for those opinions..
feoleo88 2 years ago
there is only marriage and non married people. gay marriage is a made up term but a bias group. you can feel gay all u want but if a man wants to make a women his wife and theres other conditions like conscent age etc etc. EVERYONE should and DOES have that right
Playitalready 2 years ago
i dont know where u live but in my country the GOVT is of the people, BY the people, and FOR the people. in a private home u can do and believe almsot anything. in public if u want benefits and labels u must qualify OBJECTIVLEY.
Playitalready 2 years ago
That's BS and you know it. What gays want is for society to accept THEIR sexual choices as though they are normal and right. You know full well that gays will then seek special protection from the government under the guise of civil rights. FORCING everyone to treat them as if they agree with THEIR choices. It's robbing everyone of THEIR freedom of speech, THEIR freedom of thought. THEIR freedom to raise THEIR children how they see fit. and some of THEIR freedom of religion.
RAPSUCKS1738 2 years ago
Have you forgotten that this is the land of the free ?
Everyone have different lifestyles and beliefs and nobody have to agree with everyone else, ultimately the secular non-partisan gov MUST show its fairness by giving marriage to BOTH gays and straight.
Don't use the children as the excuse to deny equal rights for others, you despicable !
The children themselves will grow up as adults themselves and will have the same freedom to choose what to believe in, ok?
feoleo88 2 years ago
Your the one who is despicable. The children will grow up in an environment where homosexuality is acceptable despite their parents objections
This has nothing to do with freedom, rights, or "love" And everything to do with forcing society to say that what you and your buddies do together is right. If gay marriage were legalized it would only be a short time before the litigation came against churches who deny the use of their facilities. Homosexuals are doing it now. Not forcing anything? right
RAPSUCKS1738 2 years ago
Who will want to get marriage blessings from a bigoted church ?
(a church which discriminates against pple, not according to justifiable logic, BUT according to ancient medieval scrolls)
Too bad bigotry is not illegal.
The government does not belong only to bigots like u alone,
if it DENIES marriage to gays then it should apply ACROSS THE BOARD and deny marriage to straights as well..
feoleo88 2 years ago
go ahead N say gay sex is wrong, NOONE can prosecute U, its perfectly legal to have yr own opinion silly..
feoleo88 2 years ago
I still don't get what u mean by "forcing society to say that what you and your buddies do together is right"
feoleo88 2 years ago
thank you for your words!! homosexuals demand to be married in churches! it's spitting in the face of god and the christians in my church when they do. No homosexual should be allowed to force a church to marry them. It's against our religion and you would never see a homosexual try and force himself inside of a muslim holy site to be married. it wouldn't happen.
GummiBands 1 year ago
Thanks, Matthew 9 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? 12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
RAPSUCKS1738 1 year ago
The whole Gay marriage debate is stupid. If your straight and are against it stay out of it, same really goes if you support it. Just accept us for humans and that's it, no difference. Keep religion and politics out of it as well. Now that would be a good world.
SeaweedSoupYum 1 year ago
To RAPSUCKS1738
Nobody is FORCING u to accept gay marriage, if u shout at the top of yr voice against gay marriage, the law is NOT GOING TO PROSECUTE you for saying such..
and stop parading yourself around as bigots, it only makes u look ugly as a human being..
feoleo88 2 years ago
I'm not a bigot. Nor are most who are against gay marriage. A bigot is intolerant to others. I couldn't care less if you and your butt buddies plug each other in the ass until your insides fall out. But when you try to force society to say that it's right Then it's my business.
RAPSUCKS1738 2 years ago
exactly. SAME. ALL men should be called married if they find and marry a bride. if they dont, DONT. but lets not pretend homo couples or a single parent are the same as a hetro couples. maybe in homo impulses idealistic land, but not in reality.
Playitalready 2 years ago
If you want the gov to disallow gays to get married,..
.. it cannot be by religious doctrines as this is a free country and a secular gov
..it cannot be by your unsubstantiated disgust towards the gays as this is a form of bigotry that the secular gov cannot condone
..it cannot be by your reasoning to protect the children from becoming gays unless U scientifically prove that being gay/straight is not genetic.. so far the world have not conclusively proven so..
BUT..
feoleo88 2 years ago
who said i want to disallow gays? YOU. i dont. gay men can marry the bride they want or not marry if the dont like any brides. i never said gay impulses arent genetic. not all impulses are good! ALL people should control sex impulses for LIFE. eventually if u must have sex, thats what marriage is for! even for INFERTLE couples! but sorry, the anus is NOT a sex organ. theres no need to regulate sex life for homos with marriage. there wont be many bastards resulting
Playitalready 2 years ago
..BUT you can get the gov to disallow gay marriage if..
..if you can scientifically prove beyond the reasonable doubt that the gay marriage intrudes upon the free will of the other citizens
..if you can prove that the gay marriage will lead to human extinction
..if you can prove that the gay (non-promiscuous) marriage will lead to proliferation of deadly diseases
feoleo88 2 years ago
can? our state ALREADY defined marriage. we voted to protect it and the judges DID uphold it. nice try shifting the burdon of proof. like i said any1 can do almost anything the want but lets be honest; u wana redefine marriage again. redefining marriage based on skin color or homo impulses cant be FORCED. our state upheld REAL marriage and ALL men have equal chance to marry a bride they love or opt not to. if u ASKED us to redefine it thatd be at least honest productive talk
Playitalready 2 years ago
since u proved to be too arrogant ignorant biggoted etc. to not even bother to acknowledge my homo-playlist in these comments and furthered this b.s. talks ill ignore u and NOT read or reply to any more comments here. P.M me if u wana see what i think/why/evidence on the playlist or bye. btw hinduism/buddhism etc. arent religions there science/religion proving their validity/reliability go study or see my 1st 3 vidsit what it says is right always unless u only know western b.s. understandings
Playitalready 2 years ago
there are spiritual and or natural reasons to have homo impulses in humans and animals. but people can realize not all impulses are natural or moral or apart of marriage. believe what u want, but society can and SHOULD and will accept BOTH religion/biology and uphold legal/english defenitions. DEAL with it. homo groups are becoming a joke to me
Playitalready 2 years ago
To Playitalready
after reading through your senseless ramblings, I DID NOT FIND AN OUNCE of sensible argument or material evidence or justification to validate your pleadings..
You have not even addressed my call POINT BY POINT (see my prev posts), ramblings are just not quality answers..
feoleo88 2 years ago
OK lets not ramble, firstly address this comment of mine..
"Should all tax-paying citizens of the nation enjoy equality regardless of their sexuality ?"
feoleo88 2 years ago
People like you will only live their pathetic lives in cohorts with hateful anti-gays, scoffing at dissenters..
My child is taught to treat gay people as equal and having the same human rights as the straight people.
My child will grow up to be generous, kind honorable and respectful and gain all-round respect from pple from all walks of life who are just as honorable..
feoleo88 2 years ago
i never preached anti gay things or that goes should not KEEP the same human rights they ALREADY have (btw so animals dont count? u decide who should have rights? do u buy flesh from animals for taste?)
Playitalready 2 years ago
some girls would love to marry a man + a girl (bi's) or their cousin and get marriage benefits and refer to it as a civil rights movement and thats is natural cause animals do it or that its not immoral cause that would be a religion thing. citizens dont have to take it in america at least
Playitalready 2 years ago
Hah. You really think that Homosexuality in the Animal Kingdom doesn't exist. Go ahead and type that up in any search engine, in fact go ahead and type that up in the Youtube search engine and sit back and watch. I think the National Geographics one will have you think twice.
jusitke07 2 years ago
everyone is a sinner in the eyes of god. but if you are a christian you are striving towards the face of the cross and obeying all of gods commandments. to be homosexual and call yourself a christian is to ignore Leviticus completely. you must not pick and choose what you like from the bible. I may want to flip my abusive father the bird but god demands I respect him. so I do, but within the limits to keep myself safe.
GummiBands 1 year ago
I think it should be legal. I know i wouldnt want someone to tell me i couldnt marry someone i loved, and im sure i speak for everyone there. I think homosexuals deserve the right to be with who they want as do others. i mean this "IS" America after all, its supposed to mean freedom right? freedom of speech freedom to choose? Before the same sex law was passed everything was fine. Theres just too many close-minded people here. what a shame.
AshleyWilliams19 2 years ago
continued...and yes, the Church paid TV commercials that went public even scared some of the gullible athiest. Ironic isn't it?
jusitke07 2 years ago
If people vote according to religious belief, it cannot be truely called a LAND OF THE FREE, because the system allow a majority religious believers to impose their beliefs on policy making and force other people to live under their belief system..
feoleo88 2 years ago
The US is a secular nation where the state and religion are separated, a land of free will, free to believe..
It will cease to be so IF everyone vote according to their religious beliefs INSTEAD of according to BREAD AND BUTTER ISSUES..
feoleo88 2 years ago
To NOMCCBAMA
why would u rather be an unkind tyrant and dictator just to fulfill yr church segregational doctrines ..
..RATHER THAN be a kind, engaging soul who embraces diversity and have friendship with other kind souls from different belief groups for the sake of our next generation of humanity
feoleo88 2 years ago
Getting married is just simply a statement of vows to be faithful to one another with love as the cornerstone, why has it become so complicated ?
feoleo88 2 years ago
Marriage to me is simple and pure, not political or religious..
If I vow to marry someone, I vow to protect, care and love my lifelong partner physically and mentally..
feoleo88 2 years ago
Anyone that says no is a hippocrate. Who cares? If it's not you, why worry? Im completely straight and I have a significant so why do I care who the next person marries.
Religion is nothing! As this lady said "in the church?" Stop the foolishness! You are only reciting the ignorance you were taught! Where else do people get married?
Stop being ignorant! Taxes, etc. mean nothing. If someone wants to marry, who cares, as long as they are in love!!!
LIVE FREEEEEEEEEEE!
CALICOTV301 2 years ago
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feoleo88 2 years ago
Take out the possibility of having artificially inceminated babies. Now make everyone an homosexual and not conscious of the possibility of having a baby if mating with the other sex.
What scenario do you have ?!?! Extinction.
The CREATOR NEVER INTENTED FOR HOMOSEXUALITY. It is a psychological disorder.
I respect homosexuals and lesbians. I just don't think it's natural FOR HUMANS who are not hermaphrodite. Imo they should have the right to marry only under the state. Flame on.
Jayn0o 2 years ago
To NOMCCBAMA n Jayun0o
how can it be possible for all people to be gay ? unless the straight men themselves can be so easily turned into gay, but that really shows straight men are not that straight anyway if they so easily become gay..
The point is most men are straight by nature n will not become gay so easily..
U said it yrself, with InVitro fertiilisation and new technologies its possible to reproduce, no extinction..
feoleo88 2 years ago
Even str8 couples themselves are adopting technology like InVitro (IVF) to reproduce..
Who cares if religious pple endorse the gay men's sexuality?
(Its mostly Christian doctrines, the world is made of other religions too which has nothing against gay)
As long as the SECULAR gov don't physically abuse or interfere with the gay's rights to live their lives and be respected by the gov as an equal contributing citizen as all tax-paying citizens should be..
feoleo88 2 years ago
If a nation and its gov claims to be a SECULAR nation, then it should not be unfairly favouring any religions or cultures to treat another social group of tax-paying citizens unequally..
Call yourself SECULAR gov only if you behave in a fair and secular ways, the US states are mostly non-secualr AS most R controlled by fundamentalist Christians whose purpose is to persecute dissenters..
How ironic, Christians, historically persecuted by the Romans, R now the PERSECUTOR
feoleo88 2 years ago
Unless the government is a Christian or Muslim government, gays deserves their place in the sun if they live in a SECULAR nation under a secular gob.
Talk about morality, How immoral can a gay person be if he behaves in an kind and honorable way when dealing with fellow citizens ?
Everyone including gays and straight can be immoral n commit heinous crimes, so stop the pigeon-hole stereotype..
feoleo88 2 years ago
I mean gov not 'gob', sorry
feoleo88 2 years ago
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feoleo88 2 years ago
I doubt it. I'm sure it's gay propaganda or the very least leaning that way
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
dad*
averagekid82 2 years ago
Look....two dudes sticking their dicks in each others asses and calling it "love" is sick. Two women kissing and licking each others vagina/labia and calling it love is sick. The sick demented acts are disgusting, and society always votes NO on every ballet initiative. NO TO MARRIAGE! A few sellouts in black robes stick up their middle finger to the people and legislate for the homo money from the bench. A smart man once said, "The stinch from the bench is making me clench!"
smithintexas 2 years ago
"Look....two dudes sticking their dicks in each others asses and calling it "love" is sick."
Agreed
"Two women kissing and licking each others vagina/labia and calling it love is sick."
Fuck you! That's hot. You are no male.
averagekid82 2 years ago
IT IS CERTAINLY NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT YAH BLOODY ASSHOLE PRIKE, THAT IS BLASPHOMEY AGAINST THE WORDS OF THE ALHPA AND THE OMEGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. it is wrong!!!
SUPATWIN1 2 years ago
Lesbians are hot. >_>
Anyway, how old is this lesbian sister? If she isn't 18, she could be a LUG.
averagekid82 2 years ago
Wow...good question esuroi. I'd sure love to see RAPSUCK's answer to that one.
jusitke07 2 years ago
My cousin is a Lesbian. I think most of my family knew ever since she was a very young girl who liked Power Rangers, and instead of dolls, or make up, she preferred playing toy bows & arrows. As much as my aunte and uncle tried to conform her at a very young age, it just didn't work. I'm Heterosexual guy, and it would be the same if some nut tried to force me to kiss another man, and/or suppress my innate sexuality. So RAPSUCK, how did you know you were a Heterosexual when growing up?
esuroi 2 years ago
I fail to see what my sexuality has to do with the debate of whether society should be forced to say homosexuality is right. Homosexuality is a choice not something forced on someone. She may be a tom boy. She might even want to be a male. But that doesn't force her to have sex with other women. And society doesn't have to condone her choice.
RAPSUCKS1738 2 years ago
As much as I disagree with your idea that Human sexuality (Hetero, Bi, Homo) are all choices, I'd like to ask you....so what if it's choice? What right does it give you to interfere within the choices any individuals would make in their personal life?
jusitke07 2 years ago
Society isn't interfering with that choice. They just aren't approving it. What right do homos have to attempt to force society to condone their choices?
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
It's not about having to force society to condone their choices, because that's none of anyone's business of what goes on behind closed doors between two consenting adults. This is about rights that have been severely denied to tax-paying citizens of this country. The US Constitution garanttees rights to everyone, regardless of race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. And yet Gay Marriage is denied. What would you do if your marriage rights were taken away?
jusitke07 2 years ago
Gays never had the "right" to force society to condone their sexual deviant behavior.
The constitution says nothing about sexual orientation.
Gays not trying to force their beliefs on society HUH? What's this shit then? (REMOVE SPACES)
worldnetdaily. com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77373
Looks like these parents got their rights taken away to me.
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
The US Constitution is open to interpretation considering that when the writers wrote, "all men are created equal" they didn't refer to women, their slaves, and the poor. Today, that's all changed. The US Consitution does guaranttee rights to any tax-paying citizen regardless of race, gender, and sexual orientation.I'll answer your question if you'll answer these:
Who wrote Prop 8? Church or State?
Who took away the Marriage rights of Gay Couples in California with Prop 8? Church or State?
jusitke07 2 years ago
Who took away the Marriage rights of Gay Couples in California with Prop 8? Church or State?
NEITHER, THE PEOPLE DID
Gays never had the right to marry. 4 activist judges attempting to legislate from the bench ILLEGALLY overturned the peoples vote.
THE PEOPLE THRU A LEGAL VOTE. (WHICH DIDN'T MENTION RELIGION )Reinstated their will.
Are you attempting to say that legal tax paying citizens can't introduce legislation simply because they believe in GOD?
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
Sorry, for not responding soon enough, but I had to hit the sack for work. Anyway, who do suppose is responsible for the scary TV commercial aired all over California, portraying Homosexuals as some monster, and that implied "vote Yes on Prop 8 or go to hell"....??? State or Church? Pick one.
jusitke07 2 years ago
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NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
I'm still waiting for the answer to my question. Could it be that this isn't about rights or fagget marriage? Could it be that homo's are simply trying to force their lifestyle on everyone?
Gays not trying to force their beliefs on society HUH? What's this shit then? (REMOVE SPACES)
worldnetdaily. com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag eId=77373
Looks like these parents got their rights taken away to me.
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
The thing that irks me most about that news article is how little kids are highly prone to imitating damn near everything they see. And since I believe homosexuality is a choice, that story really bothers me.
It's most definitely not a movement for equality, because they argue against polygamy and incestuous marriage. If it was simply about the right to love whomever you please and marry that person, then they should have no opposition to polygamy or incestuous marriage. Just marriage, right?
averagekid82 2 years ago
Hmmm..
Incestuous marriage - NO, because it potentially leads to a genetically compromised next generation? NO, because it muddles the relationship between family members, and infidelity if the parent is involved?
Polygamy - NO, because it immediately condones and glorifies infidelity ? NO, because it is too costly to maintain a few families? NO, because it divides a person's wealth and leads to ill-provided children? (Not everyone is rich ya know)
feoleo88 2 years ago
Let's apply those same arguments against homosexual marriage, shall we?
Gay marriage: NO, because it potentially leads to the child becoming a homosexual. NO, because it muddles the relationship between family members.
NO because it glorifies and condones infidelity. NO, because it is too costly to also support gay marriage. NO because it leads to ill-provided children (studies show a child has the best environment with both a mom and a day)
See where I'm going with this? Hypocrites.
averagekid82 2 years ago
To averagekid82,
it is too simplistic to classify gay marriage with incestuous and polygamy marriage.
Be an adult with an analytical mind by analysing all the pros and cons, merits and demerits, rights and wrongs of these relationships before u lump them together..
feoleo88 2 years ago
I am analyzing. I'm not saying it's the same; I'm saying they are hypocrites fighting for equality then using the VERY SAME ARGUMENTS that are used against them against polygamy and incestuous.
To me, if they want to earn my respect and my condoning for marriage, they have to stop being hypocritical jackasses and actually support a CAUSE without being selfish pricks. Until then, I label them as selfish faggots.
averagekid82 2 years ago
Maybe not now, but someday when society treats gays the way the world treats the blacks now, with respect and equality, ..
someday the world might become sexuality-blind, the child will feel differently..
feoleo88 2 years ago
4) Why is it more costly to support gay marriage than hetero marriage?
5) How is it a financially able gay couple will ill-provide their kids?
6) I do agree that the gay couple's child will feel stressed out having a gay parent, but the problem could lie with society's bigoted opinions that makes the child uncomfortable.
feoleo88 2 years ago
To averagekid82
1) is it an absolute certanty a child with gay parents will be gay?
There is scant respectable data to validate your claims. Pls validate with facts and datas condoned by general scientific communities.
2) Pls describe how family members' relationship is muddled by a gay member who is together with someone outside of the family
3) How is it that a happy monogamous gay couple glorifies infidelity?
feoleo88 2 years ago
To averagekid82
people are hypocrites, bigoted, dishonorable, unkind NOT because of their race, colour, gender, nationality, wealth, status, gender OR sexuality..
they are all those terrible things because of their individual personalities..
feoleo88 2 years ago
You are so fucking deluded. You can defend those claims all you want, but I'm showing how it could be used against gay marriage. You know, the same STUPID PIECE OF SHIT ARGUMENTS you used against triad and incestuous marriage?
Fuck you.
averagekid82 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with marriage or rights or love or any of that horse shit. They want society to openly endorse their sexual choices. That is it. Society openly endorsing their lifestyle will defiantly affect OUR children's choices. This is an attack on every parent's rightsof freedom of speech, religion and thought. Parents should be allowed to raise THEIR CHILD how they want . It has nothing to do with rights.
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
To NOMCCBAMA
its yr duty to educate yr child with the right values and grow up as a good person, don't blame other people's free will choice for affecting yr child..
EXAMPLE
If u are a Christian AND u want yr child to grow up to be Christian DOES NOT mean you can stop others from practising other religions..
feoleo88 2 years ago
No but it does mean that society should be forced to openly endorse homosexuality.
This shit has been repeatedly voted down by the population as it should be.
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
The problem with some parents is that when their child becomes something other than their expectations, THEY choose to blame other people INSTEAD of reviewing whether they spend enough time teaching their child..
feoleo88 2 years ago
The gays R not responsible for your child's upbringing..
YOU ARE.
feoleo88 2 years ago
You cannot stop a rock band from playing their musci just because you think its a bad influence, silly
feoleo88 2 years ago
A rock band is a bit different than fucking each other in the ass wouldn't you say?
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago
Heterosexuals do anal sex too, in fact they sometimes do animals, children, family members, put toys in there, lick at the orifices, role play, do 3-, 4-, or 10-way sex, sadomasochistic sex, suicidal sex, raping sex etc etc
So should we outlaw heterosexuals too?
And who are you to determine what sexual position others should adopt in the privacy of their bedroom ?
feoleo88 2 years ago
society doesn't openly endorse it do they?
NOMCCBAMA 2 years ago