I could never be president. I'd constantly be telling jokes, being satirical to get my point across, being openly sarcastic, and making other people feel dumb compared to me by ripping apart their stupid allegations or views that went against my own.
Canada's pretty socialist and were doing ok. Police, firefighters, libraries, hospitals, public roads and lots more are socialist things; what's wrong with that?
@deepenough666 Nice educated post there. Don't let the facts get in the way of it. When Bush left office, we were $8.2 trillion in debt. We're now $14.8 trillion in debt with King Obama and he still has over a year left to go.
Obama has successfully implemented numerous controls on the free market as well as socialist policies. Yet the gap between the rich and the poor has grown since he has taken office. You say the American dream is a lie, what is stoping you from opening a business tomorrow? If you are talented and work hard anyone can own their own business. Does a Korean or Cuban citizen have greater opportunity for upward class mobility?
Americans have been so programmed. Look at yourselves and ask what can be more important than social issues? Human issues? I can certainly say that economics has absolutely nothing to do with the universe, but humans do.. Think bigger...Its time.
I'm a Social Democrat, and I voted for Obama. When I saw that the House and the Senate went to the Democrats, and that Obama won the White House, I thought the America of my dreams was finally becoming a reality.
I was a hopeless fool. The political realities of the USA will NEVER allow it to become a Social Democracy. The people have indeed spoken. My political philosophy is not welcome here in the USA. I'm leaving for Denmark. You've won, Conservatives. I surrender the country to you.
@SocialistCatgirl Thank god. Good luck to you in Denmark, China, Cuba, or any of the other socialist nations out there. USA is a capitalist country; don't like it leave.
Figured I'd get a response like that. You and those like you are exactly why I'm leaving. You don't even know the difference between a Social Democracy like Denmark and autocratic Communist states like Cuba or China.
Wallow in your ignorance, fool. It's not my job to educate you anymore, because this country's fate is no longer my own.
@SocialistCatgirl With a name like SocialistCatgirl I wonder why I think you're socialist? Don't let uncle Sam's door hit you in the A$S on the way out. Actually why haven't you left yet? Is there anything I can do to help you get to Denmark? Happy to help
"With a name like SocialistCatgirl I wonder why I think you're socialist?"
Um...possibly because you can READ? The real question is, do you know what the word Socialist MEANS?
"Actually why haven't you left yet? Is there anything I can do to help you get to Denmark?"
Absolutely. Post your social security number, credit card numbers, bank pin and account numbers, and I'll be on the very next plane out after I drain you of all your liquid assets. Thanks a bunch, sweetie!
@SocialistCatgirl Oh so either A) you don't have a job or B) You can't save 10 thousand dollars to make your dream happen. It's probably someone elses fault though don't worry. You sound like a catch, I'm sure Denmark will welcome you with open arms.
I see we're not familiar with the subtle art of sarcasm. I'll have to state what I was actually saying with that second part in literal terms, and I'd better make them crude so that someone at your intellectual level can clearly understand:
@SocialistCatgirl Wow you sound so classy. No wonder your fat ass goes to sleep alone with your cat every night. If you want to leave, go, the US is a capitalist country and always will be. Your presence won't be missed.
@SocialistCatgirl Ha, since you are soo brilliant why don't you share what you do for a living? What value is that "brilliance" providing society, that is other than polluting message boards with a socialist agenda? I never said the US is a pure capitalist society, but maybe you have comprehension problems? Every economy is a mix to some level. US, Australia, etc can still be considered Capitalist and China, Cuba, etc can still be considered socialist.
Oh, how cute. The little rockhead thinks he can troll me. Sorry to throw cold water on your fuming rage, but I'm under no obligation to give you personal information of any sort, no matter how miniscule.
Pop in your pacifier and realize that I'm not playing your stupid game anymore. I've already wasted enough time on you. Now go scream to someone about how Pres. Obama is a Communist Socialist Nazi from Kenya secretly trying to advance the Atheist Muslim agenda.
@SocialistCatgirl Simply outstanding! The brilliant SocialistCat isn't seen as so brilliant by anyone but herself. Either unemployed and living in her parents basement, or on her way to the night shift at Walmart. No wonder you want socialism... you want the talented and hard working to support your lazy, untalented ass.
That trick isn't going to work, bub. You're not going to hurt my feelings and get hours and hours of enjoyment arguing with me. You don't know me, and you never will. I don't have to care about your opinion, so I don't. Your assumptions are way off base, but you'd never know because I don't have to correct them (you'd never believe me no matter WHAT profession I said I called my own, anyway).
You're simply making an ass of yourself, so stop it. It's pathetic.
@SocialistCatgirl Pathetic, if you want to see pathetic you just need to look in the mirror. You have no marketable skills, a shit job, and are too f'ing lazy to get off your ass and actually learn a programming language where you could make a reasonable living. Instead you would rather troll message boards trying to push an agenda to have the hard working talented members of society support you. Ohh I forget you are brilliant, society is just not smart enough to recognize it... HAHA
@jsosterhaus (1/3) Marxism is a science in analysing history and sociology, that all of history of society is that of class struggle between basically rich and poor, and in each transition of society, the gap between classes gets smaller and smaller. Neolithic revolution (primitive communism) to Slave Society to Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism to Communism, in each step the average human condition improves and the gap between have and have-not shrinks.
@jsosterhaus (2/3) In this scientific view, the current system (capitalism) is the result of the collapse of the old system (feudalism) in which the new ruling class, the capitalists, evolved from the merchants of feudalism, with the aristocracy now removed. The working class evolved from the peasants and slaves of feudalism, now no longer bound to their land. In this science, the next phase from here is socialism - the workers becoming conscious and seizing all property for community ownership.
@jsosterhaus (3/3) Obama is not a Marxist because, if he were he would have given the bailout to the workers (the "proletariat", in marxist terms) and not to the corporations and their CEOs (the "bourgeoisie"). He would have nationalised the automobile industry instead of bailing it out. And he would have given us a universal healthcare system, rather than new rules for insurance companies. And he would have ended the imperialist wars entirely. These are just a few reasons, I could go on.
@michaelwuzthere His policies are not socialist (end-state goal of Marxism) because of those factors. I would argue that his beliefs are socialist but his policies start at marxism.Marxism at it's roots deals with class warfare and redistribution of wealth which are the primary targets Obama has openly targeted during his 3 years in office. Today we can see the effects of his Marxist policies.
@jsosterhaus Actually, the Obama administration has not made any changes to the Bush tax code, so we still have the Bush tax system. So, there are no "Marxist policies" to speak of. Yes, he does side with the working class, but that doesn't make him necessarily a Marxist as much as just a rational humanistic person. And if you're seriously implying that the current economic situation is the fault of 2 years of Obama,and not the decades of neo-liberal economics leading up to now, don't even try.
@jsosterhaus If Obama supported class warfare, then he's clearly on the wrong side. Like Bush, he gave money to corporations and big businesses. A Marxist would have given that money to working families, and would have called on the workers to rise up and turn their workplaces into cooperatives. And he hasn't made any marxist policies, not by a long shot. And if you're suggesting that his 2 years in office, rather than the past decade of neoliberal capitalism, created this mess - forget it.
@michaelwuzthere I don't blame Obama for the economic downturn. I do blame him for our recession and our epic deficits. Where are your great examples (current or historic) on where largely socialist societies were able to sustain long-term success? history repeats itself.
@jsosterhaus (1/2) There's no reason to blame him, rather than blaming an inactive divided congress. Government is functioning in the same way that it did during the Bush administration, being that nothing Obama gives to congress ever gets passed, and all the things that republicans mess up on they blame him for it - including the S&P downgrade which S&P clearly stated was due to the "tea party" threatening to default. The deficit projections are the same as they were in Bush's time.
@jsosterhaus (2/2) Like I said, history is moving in the direction of egalitarianism and socialism, so if there were a successful socialist large-scale socialist society to point to, we'd be living in it. It's like living in feudalism and saying "Where's any 'capitalist' society that ever survived? Oh, it didn't, so therefore it's not possible!" Just like with the emergence of capitalism, the first attempt is improbable to be successful, but eventually history will find a way.
@michaelwuzthere Has the world gotten better or worse since we started moving towards socialism? What countries still have the highest standard of living more socialist or more capitalist societies? I agree globally we are seeing a shift towards socialism/egalitariansim, but how is that working globally? The poor are poorer, we have epic debt and deficit levels and there is more global social conflict.
@jsosterhaus More socialistic societies have higher standards of living (Sweden, Germany, etc.) The poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer is the effect of prolonged capitalism, and these effects are truths that humanity needs to come to terms with if we are to move forward to a system that works for everyone, and not just those who are privileged. Capitalism, in its nature, is a pyramid scheme, and as it widens its gaps in its self-destructive nature, people will wake up and end it.
@jsosterhaus More socialistic societies have higher standards of living (Sweden, Germany, etc.) The poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer is the effect of prolonged capitalism, and these effects are truths that humanity needs to come to terms with if we are to move forward to a system that works for everyone, and not just those who are privileged. Capitalism, in its nature, is a pyramid scheme, and as it widens its gaps in its self-destructive nature, people will wake up and end it.
@michaelwuzthere Your entire theory is flawed. If you want to evaluate the success of socialism against capitalism it makes sense to evaluate the most capitalist societies against the most socialist (not middle of the road Germany (considered capitalist) and Sweden). So lets evaluate the two extremes: CAPITALIST: USA, HONG KONG, AUSTRALIA. MOST SOCIALIST COUNTRIES: CUBA, VIETNAM, KOREA. As a middle class citizen where would you rather live? Socialism enslaves the poor and middle class.
@jsosterhaus Total bullshit. Capitalism is failing this world, and people have the audacity to blame democratic socialists, when the true enemy is the capitalists and their corporate socialism. Socialism frees the working class and creates a system in which people are rewarded for their labor and have freedom to pursue happiness, unshackled from debt and consumerism.
@michaelwuzthere Interesting that you use absolutely no empirical evidence to support this statement, but rather present your opinion as a fact with no supporting evidence. Why is the standard of living for the majority of citizens so bad in socialist countries? The premise of your argument is that people don't get paid enough under corporate capitalism, but you fail to recognize that any entrepreneur can start his own company if he/she isn't getting paid based on their capabilities.
@jsosterhaus North Korea and Vietnam are not democratic socialist countries, so it's not a fair comparison. There are no democratic socialist countries in existence, so it's an impossible comparison. And then you throw the carrot at me of "If you just work hard enough, all of your dreams will come true." It's a lie. All of capitalism is a lie, just a pyramid scheme for the rich to make money off of the backs of the working class.
I like how at the end when the laugh dies down Obama laughs and then everyone laughs with him. What a bunch of fucking puppets. Don't get me wrong, any party is like that. It's just dumb humans voting for their team regardless of the elements.
Obama is fricken terrible, you cant take money away from wealthy americans who work there ass of and give it to lazy bums because they dont want to work hard. Who wants to grow up and know they have nothing to look forward to or earn lots of money some day, no one does, socialism is so f'ed up
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
-- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
No, he probably told everyone else to share, and that the ones with more peanut butter sandwiches and the ones with more toys need to be taxed more...
You americans is just unreal with this "Obama is a socialist" Bullshit.
The man is not a socialist. He is in league with the top bankers and richest people in the US. WAs it not the healtcare companies who wrote the health care bill?
Socialism is about a society without a class that exploits other classes.
@dma777able obama is trying to push socialism on america do u really believe there have been any true socialist ever. stalin lived like a king while his people starved same with every socialist leader
@seminoleboy96 Stalin disliked luxery and doesnt live all to flashy in his house outside Moscow.
If you want communists that lived in luxery while thier people didnt have it all to well, then you should look at Romania or other east european countries.
@ajdavidson11292 Stalin also killed his fellow comrades and Bolsheviks during the "Third Period.' stalin was just a dirtbag. He wasn't a communist, nor a socialist.
@taillebasse1 Yeah, one problem with that. The economy doesn't rebound because of obama. The president has very little to do with the economy. That's the federal reserve's job whcih they've failed miserably at for a while now.
@ajdavidson11292 look it up stupid. u make urself look stupid. congress pays interest to the federal reserve and is owned by banking elites look it up
@seminoleboy96 The Federal Reserve System (also known as the Federal Reserve, and informally as the Fed) is the central banking system of the United States. It was created in 1913 with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act, largely in response to a series of financial panics, particularly a severe panic in 1907. Sounds government created to me... Want to explain?
@ajdavidson11292 lol simple look at the phone book... its listed under private listings, unlike government instutions which are in governmental system of phonebook. federal reserve is controlled by teh internal monitary fund which is controlled by the real leaders of the world. u still think the government own the world no no no the banks do
@seminoleboy96 Fantastic. If the government said the sky was green you would believe them? The Federal Reserve artificially keeps interest rates low by printing federal reserve notes and using it to pay for things we get from other countries. These federal reserve notes are no longer backed by gold like they used to be, but are used to create inflation which crazy liberals somehow think is a good thing. Its akin to buying things with debt. Its lunacy.
You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright. But we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands.—Nikita Khrushchev (1968)
@rross27 It's only collective action that makes capitalism work. You don't get Steve Jobs working on the production line in China, or digging coltain in the Congo, or selling the thing on Oxford Street in London. The only thing about Capitalism that isn't collective is where the profits end up.
@jackwilshiresfakeid If you are trying to infer that, "collective action" is the same as "collectivism",
that is either a mistake or a deception. A collective action can be taken by individualists, while collectivism is a tribal philosophy. "Politically, true individualism means recognizing that one has a right to his own life and happiness. But it also means uniting with other citizens to preserve and
defend the institutions that protect that right." -- Shawn E. Klein
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@rross27 OK - and how much life and happiness is there on the Chinese production line or the Congolese Coltain mine living on a dollar a day, while the CEO of the corporation that sells the product is a billionaire who pays no income tax in Monaco?
@jackwilshiresfakeid You hit the nail on the head with the last part of your comment, whether you are capable of identifying it or not I am not sure. The wealthy are not the upper middle-class, as riches and wealth are completely different entities. The fascists many claim to be fighting against are only rich, they are not the wealthy. The true wealth of the world is held in very few hands and they are the only real, "fascists" which created & fund the other "ism" movements to keep us divided.
@jackwilshiresfakeid Let me tell you a little story Jack. I was in Holland May 2010 and I stayed for a month and had a good time. I met a lot of Europeans, and Arabs. When I would try to speak with the Europeans about the problems facing the world, the comment I most often received was, “It doesn’t matter, and none of it affects me a bit”. But Socialism is affecting Europeans, many are seeing it now, and so are Americans. Is it not time for you to see it too? When will we wake up.. In the gulag?
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@rross27 right, so where is socialism to blame in all of this? For a start you mention socialism effecting Europe, Sarkozy isn't a Socialist, nor is David Cameron, nor Angela Merckel. Holland also now have a right wing government. So how is socialism effecting Europe exactly? And when it comes to gulags - well your very own free market regime has its very own in Guantamo Bay. Something France and Germany kept out of.
@jackwilshiresfakeid Euro-Socialism is presently bankrupting the countries that embraced it in Europe. Governments will, as history has shown, turn to excessive and unsustainable borrowings and inflation to finance their societal obligations. The contract between the statists and the citizens who were promised cradle-to-grave security cannot be maintained, as the economic underpinning of this arrangement will quickly erode. Sarkozy in his actions shows a fundamental preference for socialism.
@rross27 No, bail out packages to the private sector are what is bankrupting Europe, in the UK 88% of our deficit is attributable to this. In fact, in 2001 before the war on terror the UK had an £8Billion budget surplus. And this 'Euro-Socialism' you talk of is non-existant beyond the tiny minds of Fox News. Sarkozy is the leader of a centre right party, he's not a socialist. Merckal is the leader of a centre right party, so to Cameron, so to Berlusconi, Holland's government is centre right too
@jackwilshiresfakeid THERE IS NO TRUE RIGHT WING PARTY! If you call the people on the "right" in France "right-wing" you have much to learn yet about Nationalism. In America the Neo-Con Zionists are internationalists, a usurpation of the right, & CIA like Bush & Obama (Int. Banksters Created the Intel Agencies & Fund Marxism/Socialism around the world: I.E. See- PKK Terrorists=CIA Funding). Bankers push Communism/Socialism so they can collect debts easier from a Gov they own. (AT KGB RIFLE TIP)!
@jackwilshiresfakeid What does that mean? You are angry that the Left-Wing Labour Socialist Party is not Communist enough for you? After all a Communist is just a Socialist in a hurry (to murder and destroy everything so they can rebuild it again as an industrial "Utopia" in their image- I.E. a large police state mental institution/prison with the Bolshevik "Thought Police" (NKVD) lurking around every corner asking for your papers). Lord Monkton might be the only true "right-winger" in the UK.
@rross27 You know, when you come out with rubbish like this you pretty much reinforce the bad name the USA has around the world and every negative US stereotype. The Labour party since Blair has been in essence a centre right wing party. If former Conservative PMs like Ted Heath claim they're were more left wing than Tony Blair and Maggie Thatcher said of Blair 'Well it looks like we're all Thatcherites now', as well as being Dubya's poodle, how can you call New Labour communist?
@jackwilshiresfakeid You notice in your comments all you are concerned about is what people, "say" they are or are not. I on the other hand am not concerned with what people claim they are in politics but what their policies and actions show them too be. If the "center" is an internationalist position be it on the left or right then why are we even discussing it? Traditionally the true, "right" is both nationalist and isolationist. This position no longer exists in the E.U., nor does a "right".
@rross27 er....your the one quoting New Labour's own claim of socialism to be the definition of what they are, my comments are based on other people's comparison of what they are to their own politics based on their actions. And no, right wing's traditional definition is to be conservative and in support of the existing order, Nationalism sits on the right wing of the spectrum but not all of the right wing are nationalists.
@jackwilshiresfakeid The Labour Party was last in government between 1997 and 2010 under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, beginning with a majority of 179, reduced to 167 in 2001 and 66 in 2005. Having won 258 seats in the 2010 general election, Labour is the Official Opposition. Labour has a working majority in the Welsh Assembly, is the main opposition party in the Scottish Parliament and has 13 members in the European Parliament. The Labour Party is a member of the Socialist International.
@rross27 The British Labour Party have not been a 'socialist' party since Blair dropped clause four in 1994 and emphatically embraced the market and Rupert Murdoch. In fact they've long since veered away further from Socialism since the gang of four created the SDP in 1981 and split the anti-Tory vote in the 80s. Labour between 1974-79 had monetarism imposed on them by IMF loans so a UK government hasn't pursued anything akin to a 'socialist' programme since about 1970.
@rross27 you obviously don't know what right-wing means. or what communism or socialism are. communism means eliminating the banks and the state and making everything workers' self-management.
@rross27 Oh and BTW - in Sweden a third of the workforce is employed in the civil service, their cradle to grave security is largely maintained, their inflation rate is low and stable and in 2010 saw record economic growth
@jackwilshiresfakeid Swedish peasantry had never been enserfed as elsewhere in Europe. And they were not in a war during the 20th century I know of. Using a long neutral and fairly wealthy country as an example of people who have, "prospered from Socialism" is a joke right? Why don’t you tell us how Socialism worked out for the Russian people after 1918? Oh yea that’s right, forty-million people died because of it in the United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic. The people were shot or starved to death!
@rross27 Portugal was neutral in the WW2 and it's economy is in the shitter, so how do you explain the difference between Sweden and Portugal? How did socialism work for Russia after 1918 - well it was in a far better position in 1945 than it was in 1918, where it's feudal rural peasant economy was transformed into industrial one in around 25 years.
@jackwilshiresfakeid So you are actually saying that after 1918, murdering all the peasants was the solution? Because that would not be far from famous Socialist Bernard Shaw - "The cornerstone of Socialism is mandatory labor with death as the final penalty". Marx's work is really nothing more than a dexterous combination of Hegelian Evolutionism, of French Revolutionism, and of the economic theories elaborated by Ricardo, on the one hand, and a group of English theorists on the other. Very sad.
@rross27 I never said anything about murdering peasants, I just said their economy and infrastructure was in a stronger position in 1945 than it was in 1918. It had to withdraw from WW1 because the country collapsed, but in WW2 their efforts on the eastern front was as important as D-Day in ultimately defeating the Germans. We're not arguing communism anyway, European democratic communism is as near to communism as the Republicans are to Hitler - a reductive argument at best.
@rross27 Also if you want to dwell on how many murdered under communism you might want to even the score up and see how many killed by US client nations - such as the original 9/11 in Chile where a democratic communist government was overthrown in a CIA coup, where broken bottles and rats were put up women's vaginas as punishment. Same in Iran in 1953, although their government wasn't even communist, it's democratic government just wanted to nationalise it's own oil fields.
@jackwilshiresfakeid The fact that you put the terms, "democratic & communist" together is really telling. Considering the word "democracy" never appears in the US Constitution even once (since we are a Republic-"Democracy = 51% voting to kill the other 49%"). And when did I indicate I support the Bankster created Intel agencies who are obviously dedicated to fascist international corporate goals no matter what type of "leader" they depose or impose in any country? I am totally against that!
@jackwilshiresfakeid Well like I told you before, if the CIA/MI-5-6/Mossad is not comfortable with the regime in charge of any country, (some elected Gov's are not friendly to the CORPORATE GOALS of the Banksters, who created and operate all the international Intel agencies) they go to work getting rid of that threat to their plans. If the Banksters and their agents cannot control a regime, as with Chavez, or they have a puppet go rogue like Gaddafi, they will eventually destroy/replace them.
@rross27 And where does Socialism come into all of this? Are CIA/MI5/Mossad sabotaging national regimes in the name of socialism or capitalism? Usually the latter to my knowledge
I'm getting really sick of these commy bastards shifting blame and lying constantly to push their agenda. If it were up to me, I would string every single one of them up in public to set an example for the future generations. They scream democracy and behind it they are the beasts of the apocalypse. 100 million dead in the 1900's alone is not enough of a bloodbath on mostly Christians? And then they whine about the Holocaust to mask the fact that their AshkeNAZI Communism is a slavery program!
@fleecethepeasants What you "FORGOT" is it was Jewish International Bankers and their cohorts that invented, and funded Communism. 90% or more of the Bolshevik party in Russia was Jewish, the entire propaganda divison was Jewish, etc. Jacob Schiff (Jewish) funded the Bolsheviks (who were Jewish) for example. They murdered the Christian Tzar Nicholas II and his family/ministers and took over the Russian government after inciting the masses to revolt (for a second time) in 1918. You are Jewish?
@fleecethepeasants You are obviously a very poor apoligist for Communism. Same old rhetoric and lies I have been hearing all my life. Oh, when people were murdered, suddenly "that was not REAL Socialism/Communism". Or when it eventually fails, "Oh no, Russia was a Capitalist nation not really Socialist & Germany 2". DOH! Now listen up buddy, if you are going to praise a system that led to the deaths and slavery over over 100 million in the 1900's, THAT MEANS YOU CONDONE IT AND WANT MORE OF IT!
@rross27 Well, those were fascist states. Look up fascism, then consider the factors. And uhm, you guys are so much better. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Irak, Cuba. Need I go on?
@fleecethepeasants Yes, and I have studied Communism most of my life. I even have Lenins books in German text. When I was 8 yrs old I lived in Thailand right across the river from Laos during Pol Pot's regime (1975), and saw people starved to death, rounded up for extermination, etc. Young GI's being found dead daily not from a bullets, but from a needle in the arm. Red Rock Heroin was killing my fathers troops, and the CIA was exporting bricks of it back to America in their bodys and body bags.
@fleecethepeasants It didn't start in the Obama Admin. It started in the early 1900s. And the Progressive Income Tax system for one, the death tax for another. Public education for another, socialized healthcare (mroe or less) for another.
Anyone who is interested to see how close Hitler’s "National Socialism" & Lenin's "International Socialism" were just watch this video real quick... it will clear it up for you. watch?v=gfSPXxGL4N0&feature=related
Short version... Dr. Gobells claimed that the difference between Lenin's Communism and the Hitler faith was very slight. I believe that both political systems were in fact funded by the same international bankers & corporations in order to destroy the populations of both nations.
@rross27 your quite wrong dear... Hitler opposed the jews that were international bankers (as recoreded in his testament and quite alot of speeches and in his book : mein kampf) Socialism is rotten to the core with an evil purpose all the way. Because all whom it 'corrupts' will never give themself a better life, thou serve the creators of it whom are not socialists... National socialism is about, removing most of it, BUT keeping the principles in the interrest of the nation.
@Torur0A The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine. In short, the result was a tactical alliance between the Nazis and the founders of the modern-day state of Israel.
@Torur0A Study a bit more. Hitler had a Jewish Doctor, insisted on a Jewish Cook, had a Jewish Landlady, etc. He also liked to wear a Jewish overcoat. Not to mention that over 150,000 of his troops in Germany & in the NAZI Party were in fact all or part-Jewish. Just go ask George Soros! These Khazar Jews even called themselves the AshkeNAZI! (NA-ZIonists) Can you not see the exact same tactics of; prison camps, mass-murder, racism, and totalitarianism in Israel’s actions? Ignorance is not truth.
@rross27 lenins socialism was pure socialism... it was those whom had stalin as an henchman that had internationalism imposed and it never changed aspects of the ordinary Russians life.
@Torur0A While it is true that Stalin planned the starvations, Jan 22, 1934 • "The Russian Government then, as now, denied that starvation existed," said Dr. Ammende in Vienna. It is also true that Lenin was an agent of the bankers MI-5 (the fascists & imperialists so feared). British-Israel was always the main enemy of not only Russians but Americans. Divide & Conquer! Jacob Schiff (Rothschild front in America) funded the Bolsheviks & he claimed to be a capitalist! “ISM” systems=Hegelian Gulag!
@fleecethepeasants 1. Government money replacing corporate money is not "corporatism" its "increased government monopoly" when there is a failure and bail out.
2. The Federal Reserve is a private conglomeration of banking institutions mostly European not part of the Federal Government. Centralized banking.
3. By the end of the 1990s, half of the funding for public transportation systems operating in the United States was being supplied by the federal government.
@fleecethepeasants I did not "forget", I just dont want my kids indoctrinated in a Communist education (or Humanist-Elanore Roosevelt style one like UNESCO). I want my kids to be raised free of that zombie brainwash in their own country, free to be creative and independent of the Nanny State. All governments in history have ruled by fear and social engineering but America has fought against Communism/Socialism for a century now, and we will continue that fight, our people did not die in vain.
@rross27 Well, do they teach your children what happened during Watergate. Nagazaki and Hiroshima. What they did to North Vietnamese citizens. Or in recent events, how they murdered civilians for oil, justifying it by that Al-Qaida declared Jihad. Well, fuck me. Didn´t the CIA train the Taliban? Didn´t you as late as the late 80s/early 90s, bomb the shit out of the Middle East? And for what reason? "Communism". Well, Soviet left around 10-15 years before that.
@intenzez I agree with you on some of that. America has become Fascist, and is implementing the slavery-program of Socialism (Hitler)(funded by international fascist bankers) on our people for the last 70 years step by step. And we have been fighting against it every step of the way, now more than ever! But when you have a government packed full of ZioNAZIs using/funding puppet Presidents, a Socialist Congress (over 100 members now), all building gov. protected monopolies, it really SUCKS ASS!!!
@rross27 Well, implementing socialism (the only good element of fascism) doesn´t really matter at this point. Because there are so many other, much worse factors.
Militarism - Self explanatory.
Corporatism - Your country is bought and paid for. This can no one argue against.
Leader Worship - Well, Reagan, Nixon Kennedy.
Racism - Well, the right representatives(and the people who vote for them) are somewhat racist, some of them. I.E Ann Coulter, Richard Haynes.
@intenzez How is Socialism, "good" when it led to the deaths of over 100 million souls (mostly Christians) in the 1900's alone? A Communist is just a Socialist in a hurry. Nobody here that I know has ever, "worshiped leaders" unless they are Jewish worshipping Obama or one of their other Marxist/Zionist puppets. But we need to stop arguing over what "ism" is better really, because like I said before, ALL "ISM" systems and movements are funded by the international bankers, and we are just PAWNS.
@intenzez DO NOT FORGET (go look it up), Capitalism did not invent the concept of "monopoly" Marx did! I emplore you to go study, "COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT MONOPOLY"... it is the root of Communism!
@rross27 Which communist regime? Point one out. And I will gladly tell you, that there has never existed anything such as a real, communist regime. Cambodia = National Socialism. North Korea, fascist. Stalin was the closest when it came to the economy. Ho Chi Minh was the closest when it came to the people.
He implemented it, because he saw the dangers of capitalism. He just gave it a name. It was already there.
@intenzez Your right,Communism has NEVER WORKED. That is why it can never be fully implemented, becuae it ends up killing or starving everyone before then or the leaders themselves kill one another. It is terribly flawed thinking that humans can live like insects in a bee-hive. But then again this all comes from the mind of a man who read Babylonian Talmud all his life-Marx. Moreover, I would say that Communism/Socialism/Marxism are nothing more than "political Talmudism" (Jewish Talmudic Law).
@rross27 Communism has never existed, or has been tested in it´s purest form on a nation. There has been fascism, there has been National Socialism, there has been Social Democratic countries, but never communism. What Castro was planning before Cuba aligned itself with the Soviet Union, that´s socialism, that is the ideal way of living. Marx foresaw the economical crisis of 07, 150 years before it happened. Why? Because he knew that Capitalism would self destruct. Living in a society that´s...
@intenzez Von Hayek accurately foretold the fate that would befall dissenters from the Socialist plan. They simply could not be allowed to get in the way. Opposition would soon be treated as subversion, with debate shriveling to non-existence under the glare of the state. Those who refused compliance would first be marginalized, then dehumanized, and finally, eliminated. Collectivism and individualism are political oil & water. How can limited opportunity be "equal" unless we are all Serfs?
@rross27 ... oppressive in every way, except of that one of the market. A society, that can self destruct on the command of the ruling hand. Socialism is ideal, because it gives people equal opportunity, takes care of the people and ultimately destroys any form of government. This may sound like Anarcho Syndicalism, but in the end that is just what it is.
@intenzez You have been presented with only the intentions of socialism, not the inevitable results. You have been given the whitewashed fantasy of the Left, who never saw a failure that couldn't be rationalized -- or better yet, blamed on others. My job then as an individualist, is to teach the lessons of history to those who fail to see the danger, and provide that all-important perspective to a generation that has been denied it. Let’s not live like cockroaches in the state bottle. BE FREE!
@rross27 The result? The result is Cuba before the dissolving of the Soviet Union. A prosperous, rich, happy society. The same could be said for Chernobyl in Ukraine before the nuclear power plant was blasted to pieces.
@rross27 And I never said that communism never worked. Cuba worked, until the 90s with the dissolving of the Soviet Union. The fall of Cuba, and the fact that there is a class divide and poor people (not poor for a communist country, poor on a world-wide basis), is because of Americas trade block. And you say that communists take the money of hard working people into their own hands? Take a look at Cuba, then take a look at China, who are now capitalists.
@intenzez You are making things up now or someone has lied to you and you fell for it. Neither Cuba or China are Capitalist, like Russia they had to implement a little Capitalism BEFORE EVERYTHING FELL APART! Capitalism is when you build a lemon-aid stand and sell your product for the highest price people will pay in competition with other lemon-aid stand owners. If you go beat up the others (eliminate comp. by force), or use highly placed gov. friends to create a monopoly that is Communism.
@rross27 Cuba is making the leap towards capitalism since the implementing of their new president, Raúl Castro. I said Cuba were the only communist regime that has ever worked, and it worked perfectly. You have been living under a rock if you think that China is still a communist republic. There is a clear divide between rich and poor. If China was a communst country, like Cuba is now, why isn´t there a Trade block? Mao worked with Stalin aswell, but he didn´t get a trade block? Why is that?
@intenzez Cuba is making a leap towards capitalism? If Communism "worked perfectly" why change it? Who brainwashed you to believe that Communism means people are, "equal"? School? It's a lie for useful idiots during indoctrination. As the workers may be equal in pay (the regime keeps most of the money AND RE-DISTRIBUTES A SMALL PORTION OF IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE) but they lack incentive. (Average slave in China $100.00 US a month in pay), no wonder they build walls to keep people “IN” not "OUT".
@rross27 Well, didn´t I already mention that it did work, until the dissolvement of the Soviet Union? And they have to privatize some services, because the welfare system is failing due to the trading block made by America. They have equal opportunity for education, jobs etc. per definition, they are equal. Not in Cuba, the people were managing pretty well down there before the Soviet Union dissolved.
@rross27 China is a fascist regime, not communist. If China was a communist country, it wouldn´t allow to big private corporations to have factories down there, and they certainly wouldn´t allow Chinese workers in any of them.
@intenzez All of the "ism's" are Sheep Pens designed to keep the Sheeple divided & fighting against one another, and it is the same with religions and all of their divisions. I thought we had agreed that "Fascism" equated to the top bankers of the world & their family bloodlines, and it is they who are the enemy funding these "Sheep Pen" systems to keep us divided, in FEAR, with the Oligarchs constantly maintaining control. If we are going to continue debating let's take it to the capstone.
@rross27 "thought we had agreed that "Fascism" equated to the top bankers of the world & their family bloodlines," America, China and North Korea summed up in one sentence. Fascism, not communism.
@intenzez Yea fascism seems to be the system of the top people, and socialism/communism to varying degrees is what they want to enslave us low-level useless eaters with. I agree that fascist bankers and their corporations are the money behind the other ism's. Let's join and cut off the head of the snake so we can all get back to being one people again that care about each other as humanitarians. 8) Individual drops of water in the same collective pond. When theres a ripple, it effects us all.
@rross27 Yeah but part of your fight included the founding and funding of Al Qaeda/Mujahadeen/Taliban who have turned out to be a bigger problem - after all, I don't recall any commies flying planes into the WTC and killing 3000 civilians. Part of your fight included funding, arming and upholding dictatorships abroad.
@fleecethepeasants Bernard Shaw- "The cornerstone of Socialism is MANDATORY LABOR with DEATH as the final penalty". The bankers love Communism/Socialism because they get a slave-labor force like in China today making $104.00 average a month, living in a communal bee-hive. And the bankers can always collect their debts from Communists, they just dont tell you that's at the point of a gun (since the secret-police are the only ones armed). Communism is the banker chains, not "throwing them off".
*Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Fed Reserve = Centralized Banking + Corp. Bailouts = Gov. Ownership).
*Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. (No Fly Lists, Gov. & Police Tracking Cell Phones & Other Devices, TSA thugs, Threat Fusion Centers).
WOULD YOU RECOGNIZE A POLICE STATE IF YOU LIVED IN ONE?
*Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Banker & Loan Corp. Bailouts, U.N. Treaty’s, Gov. Land Confiscations).
*A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. (Carbon Tax, Cap & Trade, Austerity Measures coming).
*Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. (Gov. allowed Banker & Loan Swindle Loss of Homes & Property 4 The Poor living in Tent Cities, Middle-Class disintigrates becomes the new poor).
Neo-Con Party = Zionist Hawks (Perpetual War + Police State).
Liberal Left = Socialist Doves (Continued War + Police State + Social Slavery + No Middle Class)...
It is only a matter of time before the American people wake up and see that the Communist Manifesto word for word has been accomplished in America. Do you own your own labor? (Nope IRS)! Do you own your own proberty? (Nope IRS)! Is the currency backed by metals? (Nope Federal Reserve)! Do you own your kids?
@fleecethepeasants LOL! Ummm.. you have to be kidding. Go lookup the Un-American Activities hearings, and get the names of all the Communist/Socialist Front Groups in America. You will discover that many of them included the word, "DEMOCRATIC" right in their titles. Lookup Al Gore's relationship with the Armand Hammer Communist Family, the Clintons and the Chinese, supporting Israel (A MARXIST/ZIONIST STATE not a "democracy"). Truth is, both the Neo-Con's and the Liberals are INTERNATIONALISTS.
@rross27 Wrong, my misinformed american friend. If Israel is a Marxist state, why does Noam Chomsky not support it? He was a part of the Zionist movement in his younger days, and he was bred a marxist. He is Jewish and lived in Israel for 13 years of his life. Because, Israel is a fascist state. It has effectively removed the Palestinians from Israel. Fascism. National Pride, something Marx was very anti.
@intenzez Chomsky is a Jewish Anarchist. Get above all this nonsense, and figure out that the ONLY TRUE FASCISTS ARE THE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS AND THEIR MONOPOLIES, WHO CREATED/FUND ALL OF THE "ISM" SYSTEMS AND MOVEMENTS (and we are the sheep hopping from one "ism" pen to another) then you will have really learned something. Israel has a racist "class-based" system, communal farming, censorship of media, and mandatory military service for 2 years (even for women) - THAT IS MARXISM not democracy!
@grasd2 You assume... First you assume "Socialism" means "spreading wealth", WRONG! Ever hear of Government Monopoly? That is Socialism, which collects ALL of the money, takes 90% for the regime, then the remaining 10% is distributed into social programs, and called "spreading the wealth". You assume I am a "republican"? You assume I am an idiot, and full of $hit? I think you have established your character, and the fact that your mind is closed. Someone who acts like you is generally A LIAR!
@rross27 LOL you just proved you have no idea what socialism is. Please try being less of a retard. The government keeping 90% of the wealth would be an oligarchy, the polar opposite of socialism. You're seriously a dipshit.
@grasd2 You just proved you make assumptions, jump to a conclusing from lying to yourself and somehow believe it. It's one thing to be stupid but deliberate ignorance in order to push an agenda is really nasty. Go back and read your comments, every single one nothing but a distraction from the truth. Even worse you probably do not have the capicity to recognize that fact. You have just lied over and over, and my paitence is wearing thin. Oligarchs are INTERNATIONALISTS not NATIONALISTS MORON!
@rross27 Oh my god you're ridiculous. You say I'm making assumptions when all I'm doing is reading your comments which show me how little you know about what you're talking about. But great job getting away from the subject in order to make assumptions about me, the very thing you're criticizing me for. I'm done here, all I can tell you is to do a simple google search of socialism and oligarchy so you can make yourself look like less of an idiot next time you try to talk about these things.
I could never be president. I'd constantly be telling jokes, being satirical to get my point across, being openly sarcastic, and making other people feel dumb compared to me by ripping apart their stupid allegations or views that went against my own.
Samael51760 2 weeks ago
Canada's pretty socialist and were doing ok. Police, firefighters, libraries, hospitals, public roads and lots more are socialist things; what's wrong with that?
bebop7c2 4 months ago
9.1% unemployment rate!
$14 trillion in debt.
Change I can believe in!
13RC101 5 months ago
@13RC101 The problem was there to begin with *****
deepenough666 4 months ago
@deepenough666 Nice educated post there. Don't let the facts get in the way of it. When Bush left office, we were $8.2 trillion in debt. We're now $14.8 trillion in debt with King Obama and he still has over a year left to go.
13RC101 4 months ago
Obama's mentor black communist party leader Frank Marshall Davies.
jokm1117 5 months ago
class warfare! class warefare!
TheTexasViper 5 months ago
@TheTexasViper Middle class against the insane IMO.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
Obama has successfully implemented numerous controls on the free market as well as socialist policies. Yet the gap between the rich and the poor has grown since he has taken office. You say the American dream is a lie, what is stoping you from opening a business tomorrow? If you are talented and work hard anyone can own their own business. Does a Korean or Cuban citizen have greater opportunity for upward class mobility?
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
Americans have been so programmed. Look at yourselves and ask what can be more important than social issues? Human issues? I can certainly say that economics has absolutely nothing to do with the universe, but humans do.. Think bigger...Its time.
bradleyt1 5 months ago
We're all F'd when the government realizes they can bribe us with our own money...We're f'd
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
OBAMA...THE FOODSTAMP PRESIDENT.....
TheTexasViper 6 months ago
I'm a Social Democrat, and I voted for Obama. When I saw that the House and the Senate went to the Democrats, and that Obama won the White House, I thought the America of my dreams was finally becoming a reality.
I was a hopeless fool. The political realities of the USA will NEVER allow it to become a Social Democracy. The people have indeed spoken. My political philosophy is not welcome here in the USA. I'm leaving for Denmark. You've won, Conservatives. I surrender the country to you.
SocialistCatgirl 6 months ago 2
@SocialistCatgirl Thank god. Good luck to you in Denmark, China, Cuba, or any of the other socialist nations out there. USA is a capitalist country; don't like it leave.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus
Figured I'd get a response like that. You and those like you are exactly why I'm leaving. You don't even know the difference between a Social Democracy like Denmark and autocratic Communist states like Cuba or China.
Wallow in your ignorance, fool. It's not my job to educate you anymore, because this country's fate is no longer my own.
SocialistCatgirl 5 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl With a name like SocialistCatgirl I wonder why I think you're socialist? Don't let uncle Sam's door hit you in the A$S on the way out. Actually why haven't you left yet? Is there anything I can do to help you get to Denmark? Happy to help
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus
"With a name like SocialistCatgirl I wonder why I think you're socialist?"
Um...possibly because you can READ? The real question is, do you know what the word Socialist MEANS?
"Actually why haven't you left yet? Is there anything I can do to help you get to Denmark?"
Absolutely. Post your social security number, credit card numbers, bank pin and account numbers, and I'll be on the very next plane out after I drain you of all your liquid assets. Thanks a bunch, sweetie!
SocialistCatgirl 5 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl Oh so either A) you don't have a job or B) You can't save 10 thousand dollars to make your dream happen. It's probably someone elses fault though don't worry. You sound like a catch, I'm sure Denmark will welcome you with open arms.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus
I see we're not familiar with the subtle art of sarcasm. I'll have to state what I was actually saying with that second part in literal terms, and I'd better make them crude so that someone at your intellectual level can clearly understand:
"FUCK YOU."
Did you get it this time, honey? I hope so.
SocialistCatgirl 5 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl Wow you sound so classy. No wonder your fat ass goes to sleep alone with your cat every night. If you want to leave, go, the US is a capitalist country and always will be. Your presence won't be missed.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus
"Wow you sound so classy. No wonder your fat ass goes to sleep alone with your cat every night."
My, aren't we the hypocritical one? I tried to give it to you in a classy fashion at first, you were just too stupid to understand what I was saying.
"...the US is a capitalist country and always will be."
You're living in an illusion. The USA runs on a mixed economy, and it always will.
"Your presence won't be missed."
Looks like you're 1 for 3, bub! Congrats!
SocialistCatgirl 5 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl Ha, since you are soo brilliant why don't you share what you do for a living? What value is that "brilliance" providing society, that is other than polluting message boards with a socialist agenda? I never said the US is a pure capitalist society, but maybe you have comprehension problems? Every economy is a mix to some level. US, Australia, etc can still be considered Capitalist and China, Cuba, etc can still be considered socialist.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus
Oh, how cute. The little rockhead thinks he can troll me. Sorry to throw cold water on your fuming rage, but I'm under no obligation to give you personal information of any sort, no matter how miniscule.
Pop in your pacifier and realize that I'm not playing your stupid game anymore. I've already wasted enough time on you. Now go scream to someone about how Pres. Obama is a Communist Socialist Nazi from Kenya secretly trying to advance the Atheist Muslim agenda.
SocialistCatgirl 5 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl Simply outstanding! The brilliant SocialistCat isn't seen as so brilliant by anyone but herself. Either unemployed and living in her parents basement, or on her way to the night shift at Walmart. No wonder you want socialism... you want the talented and hard working to support your lazy, untalented ass.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus
That trick isn't going to work, bub. You're not going to hurt my feelings and get hours and hours of enjoyment arguing with me. You don't know me, and you never will. I don't have to care about your opinion, so I don't. Your assumptions are way off base, but you'd never know because I don't have to correct them (you'd never believe me no matter WHAT profession I said I called my own, anyway).
You're simply making an ass of yourself, so stop it. It's pathetic.
SocialistCatgirl 5 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl Pathetic, if you want to see pathetic you just need to look in the mirror. You have no marketable skills, a shit job, and are too f'ing lazy to get off your ass and actually learn a programming language where you could make a reasonable living. Instead you would rather troll message boards trying to push an agenda to have the hard working talented members of society support you. Ohh I forget you are brilliant, society is just not smart enough to recognize it... HAHA
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
I'm a socialist. Obama is not a socialist. Anyone who still thinks that he is must be living under a rock.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere Would you say he is a Marxist?
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus No.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@michaelwuzthere Interesting, what is your definition of Marxism and why doesn't Obama fit the bill?
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus (1/3) Marxism is a science in analysing history and sociology, that all of history of society is that of class struggle between basically rich and poor, and in each transition of society, the gap between classes gets smaller and smaller. Neolithic revolution (primitive communism) to Slave Society to Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism to Communism, in each step the average human condition improves and the gap between have and have-not shrinks.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus (2/3) In this scientific view, the current system (capitalism) is the result of the collapse of the old system (feudalism) in which the new ruling class, the capitalists, evolved from the merchants of feudalism, with the aristocracy now removed. The working class evolved from the peasants and slaves of feudalism, now no longer bound to their land. In this science, the next phase from here is socialism - the workers becoming conscious and seizing all property for community ownership.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus (3/3) Obama is not a Marxist because, if he were he would have given the bailout to the workers (the "proletariat", in marxist terms) and not to the corporations and their CEOs (the "bourgeoisie"). He would have nationalised the automobile industry instead of bailing it out. And he would have given us a universal healthcare system, rather than new rules for insurance companies. And he would have ended the imperialist wars entirely. These are just a few reasons, I could go on.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@michaelwuzthere His policies are not socialist (end-state goal of Marxism) because of those factors. I would argue that his beliefs are socialist but his policies start at marxism.Marxism at it's roots deals with class warfare and redistribution of wealth which are the primary targets Obama has openly targeted during his 3 years in office. Today we can see the effects of his Marxist policies.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus Actually, the Obama administration has not made any changes to the Bush tax code, so we still have the Bush tax system. So, there are no "Marxist policies" to speak of. Yes, he does side with the working class, but that doesn't make him necessarily a Marxist as much as just a rational humanistic person. And if you're seriously implying that the current economic situation is the fault of 2 years of Obama,and not the decades of neo-liberal economics leading up to now, don't even try.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus If Obama supported class warfare, then he's clearly on the wrong side. Like Bush, he gave money to corporations and big businesses. A Marxist would have given that money to working families, and would have called on the workers to rise up and turn their workplaces into cooperatives. And he hasn't made any marxist policies, not by a long shot. And if you're suggesting that his 2 years in office, rather than the past decade of neoliberal capitalism, created this mess - forget it.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@michaelwuzthere I don't blame Obama for the economic downturn. I do blame him for our recession and our epic deficits. Where are your great examples (current or historic) on where largely socialist societies were able to sustain long-term success? history repeats itself.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus (1/2) There's no reason to blame him, rather than blaming an inactive divided congress. Government is functioning in the same way that it did during the Bush administration, being that nothing Obama gives to congress ever gets passed, and all the things that republicans mess up on they blame him for it - including the S&P downgrade which S&P clearly stated was due to the "tea party" threatening to default. The deficit projections are the same as they were in Bush's time.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus (2/2) Like I said, history is moving in the direction of egalitarianism and socialism, so if there were a successful socialist large-scale socialist society to point to, we'd be living in it. It's like living in feudalism and saying "Where's any 'capitalist' society that ever survived? Oh, it didn't, so therefore it's not possible!" Just like with the emergence of capitalism, the first attempt is improbable to be successful, but eventually history will find a way.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@michaelwuzthere Has the world gotten better or worse since we started moving towards socialism? What countries still have the highest standard of living more socialist or more capitalist societies? I agree globally we are seeing a shift towards socialism/egalitariansim, but how is that working globally? The poor are poorer, we have epic debt and deficit levels and there is more global social conflict.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus More socialistic societies have higher standards of living (Sweden, Germany, etc.) The poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer is the effect of prolonged capitalism, and these effects are truths that humanity needs to come to terms with if we are to move forward to a system that works for everyone, and not just those who are privileged. Capitalism, in its nature, is a pyramid scheme, and as it widens its gaps in its self-destructive nature, people will wake up and end it.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus More socialistic societies have higher standards of living (Sweden, Germany, etc.) The poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer is the effect of prolonged capitalism, and these effects are truths that humanity needs to come to terms with if we are to move forward to a system that works for everyone, and not just those who are privileged. Capitalism, in its nature, is a pyramid scheme, and as it widens its gaps in its self-destructive nature, people will wake up and end it.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@michaelwuzthere Your entire theory is flawed. If you want to evaluate the success of socialism against capitalism it makes sense to evaluate the most capitalist societies against the most socialist (not middle of the road Germany (considered capitalist) and Sweden). So lets evaluate the two extremes: CAPITALIST: USA, HONG KONG, AUSTRALIA. MOST SOCIALIST COUNTRIES: CUBA, VIETNAM, KOREA. As a middle class citizen where would you rather live? Socialism enslaves the poor and middle class.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus Total bullshit. Capitalism is failing this world, and people have the audacity to blame democratic socialists, when the true enemy is the capitalists and their corporate socialism. Socialism frees the working class and creates a system in which people are rewarded for their labor and have freedom to pursue happiness, unshackled from debt and consumerism.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@michaelwuzthere Interesting that you use absolutely no empirical evidence to support this statement, but rather present your opinion as a fact with no supporting evidence. Why is the standard of living for the majority of citizens so bad in socialist countries? The premise of your argument is that people don't get paid enough under corporate capitalism, but you fail to recognize that any entrepreneur can start his own company if he/she isn't getting paid based on their capabilities.
jsosterhaus 5 months ago
@jsosterhaus North Korea and Vietnam are not democratic socialist countries, so it's not a fair comparison. There are no democratic socialist countries in existence, so it's an impossible comparison. And then you throw the carrot at me of "If you just work hard enough, all of your dreams will come true." It's a lie. All of capitalism is a lie, just a pyramid scheme for the rich to make money off of the backs of the working class.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
I like how at the end when the laugh dies down Obama laughs and then everyone laughs with him. What a bunch of fucking puppets. Don't get me wrong, any party is like that. It's just dumb humans voting for their team regardless of the elements.
MrSpockZilla1 6 months ago
he admited it, burn the socialist lol
MrZcampbell48 6 months ago
TYPE IN Spyder- Avgerage Day:):):):)
MrVenice02 6 months ago
Has anyone received their Hope and Change yet?
BEATDOWNBANKER 6 months ago
And just look around you what this American Hating Bastard has done to our country since this Bull Shit speech!
He's a Fucking Communist Street Organizer with no experience at anything but taking a wrecking ball to America!
This Bum has got to go!
usaSAVAGE 7 months ago
you shared your sandwiche.. which was your free choice... its different when its taken from you by force.
samlau121 7 months ago
Earth to Obama, they don't have toys in Kenya
mcgge7 7 months ago
Whose economic theories dont work ? HA !!!!
951pete 7 months ago
Socialism for the rich is commonly refered to as "free market capitalism", but socialism for anyone else is "class warfare".
AntiYouist 7 months ago
Obama is fricken terrible, you cant take money away from wealthy americans who work there ass of and give it to lazy bums because they dont want to work hard. Who wants to grow up and know they have nothing to look forward to or earn lots of money some day, no one does, socialism is so f'ed up
Maddawgbaits 7 months ago 2
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“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
-- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
logansGT 8 months ago
The ironic thing is, he IS a socialist. LOL
EdExceLee 8 months ago
i wonder if these people are still laughing with such smug looks on their face, go Ron go!
Spazzfrom1989 8 months ago
Where does he confess he communist, or even socialist?
Was it the peanut butterjelly TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hoghash78 9 months ago
Obama, I wouldnt be talking about the economy if I was you. You suck.
JawsJaws 9 months ago
No, he probably told everyone else to share, and that the ones with more peanut butter sandwiches and the ones with more toys need to be taxed more...
thundersnake1 9 months ago
his favorite toy was Curious George Doll, bam bam is a MONKEY...
Xquire 9 months ago
You americans is just unreal with this "Obama is a socialist" Bullshit.
The man is not a socialist. He is in league with the top bankers and richest people in the US. WAs it not the healtcare companies who wrote the health care bill?
Socialism is about a society without a class that exploits other classes.
And you see Obama taking that stand?!
dma777able 9 months ago
@dma777able obama is trying to push socialism on america do u really believe there have been any true socialist ever. stalin lived like a king while his people starved same with every socialist leader
seminoleboy96 8 months ago
@seminoleboy96 Stalin disliked luxery and doesnt live all to flashy in his house outside Moscow.
If you want communists that lived in luxery while thier people didnt have it all to well, then you should look at Romania or other east european countries.
dma777able 8 months ago
@dma777able Staling also ordered the execution of about ten million of his own people....
ajdavidson11292 7 months ago
@ajdavidson11292
yes he did.
dma777able 7 months ago
@dma777able *Stalin
ajdavidson11292 7 months ago
@ajdavidson11292 Stalin also killed his fellow comrades and Bolsheviks during the "Third Period.' stalin was just a dirtbag. He wasn't a communist, nor a socialist.
Tougemaster06 7 months ago
@taillebasse1 Yeah, one problem with that. The economy doesn't rebound because of obama. The president has very little to do with the economy. That's the federal reserve's job whcih they've failed miserably at for a while now.
1019079 9 months ago
@1019079 the federal reserve is a joke. and get this it isnt even owned by the government
seminoleboy96 8 months ago
@seminoleboy96 its the FEDERAL reserve. Of course its the government. FUCKING RETARD.
ajdavidson11292 7 months ago
@ajdavidson11292 look it up stupid. u make urself look stupid. congress pays interest to the federal reserve and is owned by banking elites look it up
seminoleboy96 7 months ago
@seminoleboy96 The Federal Reserve System (also known as the Federal Reserve, and informally as the Fed) is the central banking system of the United States. It was created in 1913 with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act, largely in response to a series of financial panics, particularly a severe panic in 1907. Sounds government created to me... Want to explain?
ajdavidson11292 7 months ago
@ajdavidson11292 lol simple look at the phone book... its listed under private listings, unlike government instutions which are in governmental system of phonebook. federal reserve is controlled by teh internal monitary fund which is controlled by the real leaders of the world. u still think the government own the world no no no the banks do
seminoleboy96 7 months ago
@seminoleboy96 Fantastic. If the government said the sky was green you would believe them? The Federal Reserve artificially keeps interest rates low by printing federal reserve notes and using it to pay for things we get from other countries. These federal reserve notes are no longer backed by gold like they used to be, but are used to create inflation which crazy liberals somehow think is a good thing. Its akin to buying things with debt. Its lunacy.
ajdavidson11292 7 months ago
You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright. But we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands.—Nikita Khrushchev (1968)
rross27 9 months ago 2
@rross27 Looks like Khrushchev was right.
EdExceLee 8 months ago
Milton Friedman - Collectivism
(Why it fails, from the Horses Mouth)...
watch?v=W-8g5S0z5Y4&feature=feedrec_grec_index
rross27 9 months ago 9
@rross27 It's only collective action that makes capitalism work. You don't get Steve Jobs working on the production line in China, or digging coltain in the Congo, or selling the thing on Oxford Street in London. The only thing about Capitalism that isn't collective is where the profits end up.
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid If you are trying to infer that, "collective action" is the same as "collectivism",
that is either a mistake or a deception. A collective action can be taken by individualists, while collectivism is a tribal philosophy. "Politically, true individualism means recognizing that one has a right to his own life and happiness. But it also means uniting with other citizens to preserve and
defend the institutions that protect that right." -- Shawn E. Klein
rross27 9 months ago 5
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@rross27 OK - and how much life and happiness is there on the Chinese production line or the Congolese Coltain mine living on a dollar a day, while the CEO of the corporation that sells the product is a billionaire who pays no income tax in Monaco?
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid You hit the nail on the head with the last part of your comment, whether you are capable of identifying it or not I am not sure. The wealthy are not the upper middle-class, as riches and wealth are completely different entities. The fascists many claim to be fighting against are only rich, they are not the wealthy. The true wealth of the world is held in very few hands and they are the only real, "fascists" which created & fund the other "ism" movements to keep us divided.
rross27 9 months ago 4
@jackwilshiresfakeid Let me tell you a little story Jack. I was in Holland May 2010 and I stayed for a month and had a good time. I met a lot of Europeans, and Arabs. When I would try to speak with the Europeans about the problems facing the world, the comment I most often received was, “It doesn’t matter, and none of it affects me a bit”. But Socialism is affecting Europeans, many are seeing it now, and so are Americans. Is it not time for you to see it too? When will we wake up.. In the gulag?
rross27 9 months ago 5
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@rross27 right, so where is socialism to blame in all of this? For a start you mention socialism effecting Europe, Sarkozy isn't a Socialist, nor is David Cameron, nor Angela Merckel. Holland also now have a right wing government. So how is socialism effecting Europe exactly? And when it comes to gulags - well your very own free market regime has its very own in Guantamo Bay. Something France and Germany kept out of.
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid Euro-Socialism is presently bankrupting the countries that embraced it in Europe. Governments will, as history has shown, turn to excessive and unsustainable borrowings and inflation to finance their societal obligations. The contract between the statists and the citizens who were promised cradle-to-grave security cannot be maintained, as the economic underpinning of this arrangement will quickly erode. Sarkozy in his actions shows a fundamental preference for socialism.
rross27 9 months ago 5
@rross27 No, bail out packages to the private sector are what is bankrupting Europe, in the UK 88% of our deficit is attributable to this. In fact, in 2001 before the war on terror the UK had an £8Billion budget surplus. And this 'Euro-Socialism' you talk of is non-existant beyond the tiny minds of Fox News. Sarkozy is the leader of a centre right party, he's not a socialist. Merckal is the leader of a centre right party, so to Cameron, so to Berlusconi, Holland's government is centre right too
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid THERE IS NO TRUE RIGHT WING PARTY! If you call the people on the "right" in France "right-wing" you have much to learn yet about Nationalism. In America the Neo-Con Zionists are internationalists, a usurpation of the right, & CIA like Bush & Obama (Int. Banksters Created the Intel Agencies & Fund Marxism/Socialism around the world: I.E. See- PKK Terrorists=CIA Funding). Bankers push Communism/Socialism so they can collect debts easier from a Gov they own. (AT KGB RIFLE TIP)!
rross27 9 months ago 8
@rross27 In England there's no true Left wing party
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid What does that mean? You are angry that the Left-Wing Labour Socialist Party is not Communist enough for you? After all a Communist is just a Socialist in a hurry (to murder and destroy everything so they can rebuild it again as an industrial "Utopia" in their image- I.E. a large police state mental institution/prison with the Bolshevik "Thought Police" (NKVD) lurking around every corner asking for your papers). Lord Monkton might be the only true "right-winger" in the UK.
rross27 9 months ago
@rross27 You know, when you come out with rubbish like this you pretty much reinforce the bad name the USA has around the world and every negative US stereotype. The Labour party since Blair has been in essence a centre right wing party. If former Conservative PMs like Ted Heath claim they're were more left wing than Tony Blair and Maggie Thatcher said of Blair 'Well it looks like we're all Thatcherites now', as well as being Dubya's poodle, how can you call New Labour communist?
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid You notice in your comments all you are concerned about is what people, "say" they are or are not. I on the other hand am not concerned with what people claim they are in politics but what their policies and actions show them too be. If the "center" is an internationalist position be it on the left or right then why are we even discussing it? Traditionally the true, "right" is both nationalist and isolationist. This position no longer exists in the E.U., nor does a "right".
rross27 9 months ago 3
@rross27 er....your the one quoting New Labour's own claim of socialism to be the definition of what they are, my comments are based on other people's comparison of what they are to their own politics based on their actions. And no, right wing's traditional definition is to be conservative and in support of the existing order, Nationalism sits on the right wing of the spectrum but not all of the right wing are nationalists.
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid The Labour Party was last in government between 1997 and 2010 under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, beginning with a majority of 179, reduced to 167 in 2001 and 66 in 2005. Having won 258 seats in the 2010 general election, Labour is the Official Opposition. Labour has a working majority in the Welsh Assembly, is the main opposition party in the Scottish Parliament and has 13 members in the European Parliament. The Labour Party is a member of the Socialist International.
rross27 9 months ago
@rross27 The British Labour Party have not been a 'socialist' party since Blair dropped clause four in 1994 and emphatically embraced the market and Rupert Murdoch. In fact they've long since veered away further from Socialism since the gang of four created the SDP in 1981 and split the anti-Tory vote in the 80s. Labour between 1974-79 had monetarism imposed on them by IMF loans so a UK government hasn't pursued anything akin to a 'socialist' programme since about 1970.
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@rross27 you obviously don't know what right-wing means. or what communism or socialism are. communism means eliminating the banks and the state and making everything workers' self-management.
you're just a nutty idiot.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@rross27 Communism means abolishing private banks, assclown.
michaelwuzthere 5 months ago
@rross27 Oh and BTW - in Sweden a third of the workforce is employed in the civil service, their cradle to grave security is largely maintained, their inflation rate is low and stable and in 2010 saw record economic growth
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid Swedish peasantry had never been enserfed as elsewhere in Europe. And they were not in a war during the 20th century I know of. Using a long neutral and fairly wealthy country as an example of people who have, "prospered from Socialism" is a joke right? Why don’t you tell us how Socialism worked out for the Russian people after 1918? Oh yea that’s right, forty-million people died because of it in the United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic. The people were shot or starved to death!
rross27 9 months ago 4
@rross27 Portugal was neutral in the WW2 and it's economy is in the shitter, so how do you explain the difference between Sweden and Portugal? How did socialism work for Russia after 1918 - well it was in a far better position in 1945 than it was in 1918, where it's feudal rural peasant economy was transformed into industrial one in around 25 years.
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid So you are actually saying that after 1918, murdering all the peasants was the solution? Because that would not be far from famous Socialist Bernard Shaw - "The cornerstone of Socialism is mandatory labor with death as the final penalty". Marx's work is really nothing more than a dexterous combination of Hegelian Evolutionism, of French Revolutionism, and of the economic theories elaborated by Ricardo, on the one hand, and a group of English theorists on the other. Very sad.
rross27 9 months ago 3
@rross27 I never said anything about murdering peasants, I just said their economy and infrastructure was in a stronger position in 1945 than it was in 1918. It had to withdraw from WW1 because the country collapsed, but in WW2 their efforts on the eastern front was as important as D-Day in ultimately defeating the Germans. We're not arguing communism anyway, European democratic communism is as near to communism as the Republicans are to Hitler - a reductive argument at best.
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@rross27 Also if you want to dwell on how many murdered under communism you might want to even the score up and see how many killed by US client nations - such as the original 9/11 in Chile where a democratic communist government was overthrown in a CIA coup, where broken bottles and rats were put up women's vaginas as punishment. Same in Iran in 1953, although their government wasn't even communist, it's democratic government just wanted to nationalise it's own oil fields.
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid The fact that you put the terms, "democratic & communist" together is really telling. Considering the word "democracy" never appears in the US Constitution even once (since we are a Republic-"Democracy = 51% voting to kill the other 49%"). And when did I indicate I support the Bankster created Intel agencies who are obviously dedicated to fascist international corporate goals no matter what type of "leader" they depose or impose in any country? I am totally against that!
rross27 9 months ago 3
@rross27 It's not telling, it's a fact. Chile voted for Communism in 1973, the CIA acted to overthrow it
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@jackwilshiresfakeid Well like I told you before, if the CIA/MI-5-6/Mossad is not comfortable with the regime in charge of any country, (some elected Gov's are not friendly to the CORPORATE GOALS of the Banksters, who created and operate all the international Intel agencies) they go to work getting rid of that threat to their plans. If the Banksters and their agents cannot control a regime, as with Chavez, or they have a puppet go rogue like Gaddafi, they will eventually destroy/replace them.
rross27 9 months ago 3
@rross27 And where does Socialism come into all of this? Are CIA/MI5/Mossad sabotaging national regimes in the name of socialism or capitalism? Usually the latter to my knowledge
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@rross27 U crazy
bebop7c2 4 months ago
@rross27 Also see what's going on in Syria, Yemen and Bahrain today - brutal repression of democracy with US funding
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
I'm getting really sick of these commy bastards shifting blame and lying constantly to push their agenda. If it were up to me, I would string every single one of them up in public to set an example for the future generations. They scream democracy and behind it they are the beasts of the apocalypse. 100 million dead in the 1900's alone is not enough of a bloodbath on mostly Christians? And then they whine about the Holocaust to mask the fact that their AshkeNAZI Communism is a slavery program!
rross27 9 months ago
@fleecethepeasants What you "FORGOT" is it was Jewish International Bankers and their cohorts that invented, and funded Communism. 90% or more of the Bolshevik party in Russia was Jewish, the entire propaganda divison was Jewish, etc. Jacob Schiff (Jewish) funded the Bolsheviks (who were Jewish) for example. They murdered the Christian Tzar Nicholas II and his family/ministers and took over the Russian government after inciting the masses to revolt (for a second time) in 1918. You are Jewish?
rross27 10 months ago 2
@fleecethepeasants You are obviously a very poor apoligist for Communism. Same old rhetoric and lies I have been hearing all my life. Oh, when people were murdered, suddenly "that was not REAL Socialism/Communism". Or when it eventually fails, "Oh no, Russia was a Capitalist nation not really Socialist & Germany 2". DOH! Now listen up buddy, if you are going to praise a system that led to the deaths and slavery over over 100 million in the 1900's, THAT MEANS YOU CONDONE IT AND WANT MORE OF IT!
rross27 10 months ago 3
@rross27 Well, those were fascist states. Look up fascism, then consider the factors. And uhm, you guys are so much better. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Irak, Cuba. Need I go on?
intenzez 10 months ago
@fleecethepeasants Yes, and I have studied Communism most of my life. I even have Lenins books in German text. When I was 8 yrs old I lived in Thailand right across the river from Laos during Pol Pot's regime (1975), and saw people starved to death, rounded up for extermination, etc. Young GI's being found dead daily not from a bullets, but from a needle in the arm. Red Rock Heroin was killing my fathers troops, and the CIA was exporting bricks of it back to America in their bodys and body bags.
rross27 10 months ago 2
@fleecethepeasants It didn't start in the Obama Admin. It started in the early 1900s. And the Progressive Income Tax system for one, the death tax for another. Public education for another, socialized healthcare (mroe or less) for another.
WhiteCollarScholar 10 months ago
Anyone who is interested to see how close Hitler’s "National Socialism" & Lenin's "International Socialism" were just watch this video real quick... it will clear it up for you. watch?v=gfSPXxGL4N0&feature=related
Short version... Dr. Gobells claimed that the difference between Lenin's Communism and the Hitler faith was very slight. I believe that both political systems were in fact funded by the same international bankers & corporations in order to destroy the populations of both nations.
rross27 10 months ago 16
@rross27 your quite wrong dear... Hitler opposed the jews that were international bankers (as recoreded in his testament and quite alot of speeches and in his book : mein kampf) Socialism is rotten to the core with an evil purpose all the way. Because all whom it 'corrupts' will never give themself a better life, thou serve the creators of it whom are not socialists... National socialism is about, removing most of it, BUT keeping the principles in the interrest of the nation.
Torur0A 9 months ago
@Torur0A The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine. In short, the result was a tactical alliance between the Nazis and the founders of the modern-day state of Israel.
rross27 9 months ago 2
@Torur0A Study a bit more. Hitler had a Jewish Doctor, insisted on a Jewish Cook, had a Jewish Landlady, etc. He also liked to wear a Jewish overcoat. Not to mention that over 150,000 of his troops in Germany & in the NAZI Party were in fact all or part-Jewish. Just go ask George Soros! These Khazar Jews even called themselves the AshkeNAZI! (NA-ZIonists) Can you not see the exact same tactics of; prison camps, mass-murder, racism, and totalitarianism in Israel’s actions? Ignorance is not truth.
rross27 9 months ago
@rross27 lenins socialism was pure socialism... it was those whom had stalin as an henchman that had internationalism imposed and it never changed aspects of the ordinary Russians life.
Torur0A 9 months ago
@Torur0A While it is true that Stalin planned the starvations, Jan 22, 1934 • "The Russian Government then, as now, denied that starvation existed," said Dr. Ammende in Vienna. It is also true that Lenin was an agent of the bankers MI-5 (the fascists & imperialists so feared). British-Israel was always the main enemy of not only Russians but Americans. Divide & Conquer! Jacob Schiff (Rothschild front in America) funded the Bolsheviks & he claimed to be a capitalist! “ISM” systems=Hegelian Gulag!
rross27 9 months ago
@fleecethepeasants 1. Government money replacing corporate money is not "corporatism" its "increased government monopoly" when there is a failure and bail out.
2. The Federal Reserve is a private conglomeration of banking institutions mostly European not part of the Federal Government. Centralized banking.
3. By the end of the 1990s, half of the funding for public transportation systems operating in the United States was being supplied by the federal government.
4. Property Tax = No Ownership
rross27 10 months ago
@fleecethepeasants I did not "forget", I just dont want my kids indoctrinated in a Communist education (or Humanist-Elanore Roosevelt style one like UNESCO). I want my kids to be raised free of that zombie brainwash in their own country, free to be creative and independent of the Nanny State. All governments in history have ruled by fear and social engineering but America has fought against Communism/Socialism for a century now, and we will continue that fight, our people did not die in vain.
rross27 10 months ago 13
@rross27 Well, do they teach your children what happened during Watergate. Nagazaki and Hiroshima. What they did to North Vietnamese citizens. Or in recent events, how they murdered civilians for oil, justifying it by that Al-Qaida declared Jihad. Well, fuck me. Didn´t the CIA train the Taliban? Didn´t you as late as the late 80s/early 90s, bomb the shit out of the Middle East? And for what reason? "Communism". Well, Soviet left around 10-15 years before that.
intenzez 10 months ago
@intenzez I agree with you on some of that. America has become Fascist, and is implementing the slavery-program of Socialism (Hitler)(funded by international fascist bankers) on our people for the last 70 years step by step. And we have been fighting against it every step of the way, now more than ever! But when you have a government packed full of ZioNAZIs using/funding puppet Presidents, a Socialist Congress (over 100 members now), all building gov. protected monopolies, it really SUCKS ASS!!!
rross27 10 months ago 4
@rross27 Well, implementing socialism (the only good element of fascism) doesn´t really matter at this point. Because there are so many other, much worse factors.
Militarism - Self explanatory.
Corporatism - Your country is bought and paid for. This can no one argue against.
Leader Worship - Well, Reagan, Nixon Kennedy.
Racism - Well, the right representatives(and the people who vote for them) are somewhat racist, some of them. I.E Ann Coulter, Richard Haynes.
intenzez 10 months ago
@intenzez How is Socialism, "good" when it led to the deaths of over 100 million souls (mostly Christians) in the 1900's alone? A Communist is just a Socialist in a hurry. Nobody here that I know has ever, "worshiped leaders" unless they are Jewish worshipping Obama or one of their other Marxist/Zionist puppets. But we need to stop arguing over what "ism" is better really, because like I said before, ALL "ISM" systems and movements are funded by the international bankers, and we are just PAWNS.
rross27 10 months ago
@intenzez DO NOT FORGET (go look it up), Capitalism did not invent the concept of "monopoly" Marx did! I emplore you to go study, "COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT MONOPOLY"... it is the root of Communism!
rross27 10 months ago 4
@rross27 which communist regime?
intenzez 10 months ago
@rross27 Which communist regime? Point one out. And I will gladly tell you, that there has never existed anything such as a real, communist regime. Cambodia = National Socialism. North Korea, fascist. Stalin was the closest when it came to the economy. Ho Chi Minh was the closest when it came to the people.
He implemented it, because he saw the dangers of capitalism. He just gave it a name. It was already there.
intenzez 10 months ago
@intenzez Your right,Communism has NEVER WORKED. That is why it can never be fully implemented, becuae it ends up killing or starving everyone before then or the leaders themselves kill one another. It is terribly flawed thinking that humans can live like insects in a bee-hive. But then again this all comes from the mind of a man who read Babylonian Talmud all his life-Marx. Moreover, I would say that Communism/Socialism/Marxism are nothing more than "political Talmudism" (Jewish Talmudic Law).
rross27 10 months ago 4
@rross27 Communism has never existed, or has been tested in it´s purest form on a nation. There has been fascism, there has been National Socialism, there has been Social Democratic countries, but never communism. What Castro was planning before Cuba aligned itself with the Soviet Union, that´s socialism, that is the ideal way of living. Marx foresaw the economical crisis of 07, 150 years before it happened. Why? Because he knew that Capitalism would self destruct. Living in a society that´s...
intenzez 10 months ago
@intenzez Von Hayek accurately foretold the fate that would befall dissenters from the Socialist plan. They simply could not be allowed to get in the way. Opposition would soon be treated as subversion, with debate shriveling to non-existence under the glare of the state. Those who refused compliance would first be marginalized, then dehumanized, and finally, eliminated. Collectivism and individualism are political oil & water. How can limited opportunity be "equal" unless we are all Serfs?
rross27 9 months ago
@rross27 ... oppressive in every way, except of that one of the market. A society, that can self destruct on the command of the ruling hand. Socialism is ideal, because it gives people equal opportunity, takes care of the people and ultimately destroys any form of government. This may sound like Anarcho Syndicalism, but in the end that is just what it is.
intenzez 10 months ago
@intenzez You have been presented with only the intentions of socialism, not the inevitable results. You have been given the whitewashed fantasy of the Left, who never saw a failure that couldn't be rationalized -- or better yet, blamed on others. My job then as an individualist, is to teach the lessons of history to those who fail to see the danger, and provide that all-important perspective to a generation that has been denied it. Let’s not live like cockroaches in the state bottle. BE FREE!
rross27 9 months ago
@rross27 The result? The result is Cuba before the dissolving of the Soviet Union. A prosperous, rich, happy society. The same could be said for Chernobyl in Ukraine before the nuclear power plant was blasted to pieces.
intenzez 9 months ago
@rross27 And I never said that communism never worked. Cuba worked, until the 90s with the dissolving of the Soviet Union. The fall of Cuba, and the fact that there is a class divide and poor people (not poor for a communist country, poor on a world-wide basis), is because of Americas trade block. And you say that communists take the money of hard working people into their own hands? Take a look at Cuba, then take a look at China, who are now capitalists.
intenzez 10 months ago
@intenzez You are making things up now or someone has lied to you and you fell for it. Neither Cuba or China are Capitalist, like Russia they had to implement a little Capitalism BEFORE EVERYTHING FELL APART! Capitalism is when you build a lemon-aid stand and sell your product for the highest price people will pay in competition with other lemon-aid stand owners. If you go beat up the others (eliminate comp. by force), or use highly placed gov. friends to create a monopoly that is Communism.
rross27 9 months ago 3
@rross27 Cuba is making the leap towards capitalism since the implementing of their new president, Raúl Castro. I said Cuba were the only communist regime that has ever worked, and it worked perfectly. You have been living under a rock if you think that China is still a communist republic. There is a clear divide between rich and poor. If China was a communst country, like Cuba is now, why isn´t there a Trade block? Mao worked with Stalin aswell, but he didn´t get a trade block? Why is that?
intenzez 9 months ago
@intenzez Cuba is making a leap towards capitalism? If Communism "worked perfectly" why change it? Who brainwashed you to believe that Communism means people are, "equal"? School? It's a lie for useful idiots during indoctrination. As the workers may be equal in pay (the regime keeps most of the money AND RE-DISTRIBUTES A SMALL PORTION OF IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE) but they lack incentive. (Average slave in China $100.00 US a month in pay), no wonder they build walls to keep people “IN” not "OUT".
rross27 9 months ago
@rross27 Well, didn´t I already mention that it did work, until the dissolvement of the Soviet Union? And they have to privatize some services, because the welfare system is failing due to the trading block made by America. They have equal opportunity for education, jobs etc. per definition, they are equal. Not in Cuba, the people were managing pretty well down there before the Soviet Union dissolved.
intenzez 9 months ago
@rross27 China is a fascist regime, not communist. If China was a communist country, it wouldn´t allow to big private corporations to have factories down there, and they certainly wouldn´t allow Chinese workers in any of them.
intenzez 9 months ago
@intenzez All of the "ism's" are Sheep Pens designed to keep the Sheeple divided & fighting against one another, and it is the same with religions and all of their divisions. I thought we had agreed that "Fascism" equated to the top bankers of the world & their family bloodlines, and it is they who are the enemy funding these "Sheep Pen" systems to keep us divided, in FEAR, with the Oligarchs constantly maintaining control. If we are going to continue debating let's take it to the capstone.
rross27 9 months ago 2
@rross27 "thought we had agreed that "Fascism" equated to the top bankers of the world & their family bloodlines," America, China and North Korea summed up in one sentence. Fascism, not communism.
intenzez 9 months ago
@intenzez Yea fascism seems to be the system of the top people, and socialism/communism to varying degrees is what they want to enslave us low-level useless eaters with. I agree that fascist bankers and their corporations are the money behind the other ism's. Let's join and cut off the head of the snake so we can all get back to being one people again that care about each other as humanitarians. 8) Individual drops of water in the same collective pond. When theres a ripple, it effects us all.
rross27 9 months ago
@rross27 Yeah but part of your fight included the founding and funding of Al Qaeda/Mujahadeen/Taliban who have turned out to be a bigger problem - after all, I don't recall any commies flying planes into the WTC and killing 3000 civilians. Part of your fight included funding, arming and upholding dictatorships abroad.
jackwilshiresfakeid 9 months ago
@fleecethepeasants Bernard Shaw- "The cornerstone of Socialism is MANDATORY LABOR with DEATH as the final penalty". The bankers love Communism/Socialism because they get a slave-labor force like in China today making $104.00 average a month, living in a communal bee-hive. And the bankers can always collect their debts from Communists, they just dont tell you that's at the point of a gun (since the secret-police are the only ones armed). Communism is the banker chains, not "throwing them off".
rross27 10 months ago 2
@fleecethepeasants
*Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Fed Reserve = Centralized Banking + Corp. Bailouts = Gov. Ownership).
*Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. (No Fly Lists, Gov. & Police Tracking Cell Phones & Other Devices, TSA thugs, Threat Fusion Centers).
WOULD YOU RECOGNIZE A POLICE STATE IF YOU LIVED IN ONE?
rross27 10 months ago
@fleecethepeasants
*Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Banker & Loan Corp. Bailouts, U.N. Treaty’s, Gov. Land Confiscations).
*A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. (Carbon Tax, Cap & Trade, Austerity Measures coming).
*Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. (Gov. allowed Banker & Loan Swindle Loss of Homes & Property 4 The Poor living in Tent Cities, Middle-Class disintigrates becomes the new poor).
rross27 10 months ago 6
@fleecethepeasants
Neo-Con Party = Zionist Hawks (Perpetual War + Police State).
Liberal Left = Socialist Doves (Continued War + Police State + Social Slavery + No Middle Class)...
It is only a matter of time before the American people wake up and see that the Communist Manifesto word for word has been accomplished in America. Do you own your own labor? (Nope IRS)! Do you own your own proberty? (Nope IRS)! Is the currency backed by metals? (Nope Federal Reserve)! Do you own your kids?
rross27 10 months ago 7
@fleecethepeasants LOL! Ummm.. you have to be kidding. Go lookup the Un-American Activities hearings, and get the names of all the Communist/Socialist Front Groups in America. You will discover that many of them included the word, "DEMOCRATIC" right in their titles. Lookup Al Gore's relationship with the Armand Hammer Communist Family, the Clintons and the Chinese, supporting Israel (A MARXIST/ZIONIST STATE not a "democracy"). Truth is, both the Neo-Con's and the Liberals are INTERNATIONALISTS.
rross27 10 months ago 11
@rross27 Wrong, my misinformed american friend. If Israel is a Marxist state, why does Noam Chomsky not support it? He was a part of the Zionist movement in his younger days, and he was bred a marxist. He is Jewish and lived in Israel for 13 years of his life. Because, Israel is a fascist state. It has effectively removed the Palestinians from Israel. Fascism. National Pride, something Marx was very anti.
intenzez 10 months ago
@intenzez Chomsky is a Jewish Anarchist. Get above all this nonsense, and figure out that the ONLY TRUE FASCISTS ARE THE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS AND THEIR MONOPOLIES, WHO CREATED/FUND ALL OF THE "ISM" SYSTEMS AND MOVEMENTS (and we are the sheep hopping from one "ism" pen to another) then you will have really learned something. Israel has a racist "class-based" system, communal farming, censorship of media, and mandatory military service for 2 years (even for women) - THAT IS MARXISM not democracy!
rross27 10 months ago
@grasd2 You assume... First you assume "Socialism" means "spreading wealth", WRONG! Ever hear of Government Monopoly? That is Socialism, which collects ALL of the money, takes 90% for the regime, then the remaining 10% is distributed into social programs, and called "spreading the wealth". You assume I am a "republican"? You assume I am an idiot, and full of $hit? I think you have established your character, and the fact that your mind is closed. Someone who acts like you is generally A LIAR!
rross27 10 months ago
@rross27 LOL you just proved you have no idea what socialism is. Please try being less of a retard. The government keeping 90% of the wealth would be an oligarchy, the polar opposite of socialism. You're seriously a dipshit.
grasd2 9 months ago
@grasd2 You just proved you make assumptions, jump to a conclusing from lying to yourself and somehow believe it. It's one thing to be stupid but deliberate ignorance in order to push an agenda is really nasty. Go back and read your comments, every single one nothing but a distraction from the truth. Even worse you probably do not have the capicity to recognize that fact. You have just lied over and over, and my paitence is wearing thin. Oligarchs are INTERNATIONALISTS not NATIONALISTS MORON!
rross27 9 months ago
@rross27 Oh my god you're ridiculous. You say I'm making assumptions when all I'm doing is reading your comments which show me how little you know about what you're talking about. But great job getting away from the subject in order to make assumptions about me, the very thing you're criticizing me for. I'm done here, all I can tell you is to do a simple google search of socialism and oligarchy so you can make yourself look like less of an idiot next time you try to talk about these things.
grasd2 9 months ago