Wagner - Tristan und Isolde - Thielemann - 1 - Vorspiel

[gmmakesmehurl]

simpoly gorgeous...but, I can't help but feel it was a bit rushed. The tempo should be slowed a bit. The flutist was great. The flute and oboe just totally make this song.

[pete9145]

I see Melancholia!

[maddicello]

Great orchester, great conductor!!Thanks!!!!

[hevog]

Wonderful interpretation of the Tristan & Isolde prelude. A fantastic piece of music from a fantastic composer. Wagner was a true genius. And if it had not been for the Bavarian king Ludwig II, a true romanticist, pacifist and patron of Wagner, this man would have never been able to excel in such a wonderful way. And if it had not been for Hitler, who abused Wagner's work for his foul and inhuman pruposes, this exceptional music would be truly unencumbered and clear as it always was.

[Doiza]

@hevog couldn't say it better myself!

[Vague1204]

@hevog Wagner was an avowed anti-Semite, so..

[hegelx]

miese frisur, mieser mensch, tolles orchester

[derSpuk]

@hegelx

idiot!



[MrDJCrazyDiamond]

I like this version. Thanks a million for the upload

[TheMingusjazz]

Herr Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, Philosoph bewundernswert, abgelehnt oder besser, dieses alltägliche Arbeit der großen Wagner / wie ich bin verliebt in zwei, auszahlen lassen können.

[TheMingusjazz]

O senhor Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, um filosofo admirável, desaprovou ou melhor, banalizou essa obra do grande Wagner / como eu sou apaixonado pelos dois, sai lucrando.

[TheSmu8ajt]

Thielemann really is awful.

[petrof4056]

Not bad at all, I really hope Thielemann will conduct the Berliner Philharmoniker after Simon Rattle

[derSpuk]

@kulturistimarsch

fetter hitlerjunge? wie sprichst du von deiner mutter?

[donprudenzio]

@derSpuk lol! indeed, they always have to bring Hitler in the picture. Why is that? Because of an inferiority complex?

[twooffour]

@soulconcern

.... chromatism, he delays / stretches out the bass note on 1 while continuing the melody on time, emphasizing he sense of urgency and impatience.

Listening to both Thielemann's and Furtwängler's after that, I couldn't help myself but feel the lack of those ingenious decisions (and others), and they seem kinda wooden and academic (Furtwängler's especially), or in this case, a bit indifferent and boring incomparison.

[twooffour]

@soulconcern

.... Furtwänglers take a back-step during this, while Mehta's conveys a sense of liberation (say, from the "burden" of the preceding heavy brass) and playful passion (for lack of less hammy expressions).

Some other nice details about Mehta's interpretation: for example, shortly before the main theme is played a final time, he creates a false sens of premature anticlimactic conclusion by stretching out the suspended note.

Shortly before the theme desolves into ascending...

[twooffour]

@soulconcern

I may be biased because Mehta's was the first I listened to and have since listened to like 30 times, but at least as far as the passionate "middle section" is concerned, I feel Mehta's was way more convincing and passionate.

This one had some good moments in direct comparison, but overall I found the brass too obnoxious and distracting, and the emotion and climax build-up too "tame" and indifferent.

Like in the A Major section with the ascending scales, this one and Furt...

[etransport]

Wunderbar!

[Mase251]

have to say again that this is imho the most beautiful piece of music that was ever composed!!

[wobbygongman]

yes

[violon1974]

ich freue mich auf Thielemann in Dresden

[TheLansard]

@violon1974

Ich bin ya mit Ihnen einverstanden. Leider liegt Dresden sehr weit zu mir!

Wiener Philharmoniker sind mit ihm ein ideales Ehepaar, zur Zeit.

[legislator06]

Wonderfully played, perfect ! But: I have to close my eyes! I cannot watch him. No expression in his fce and: every beat goes UP ! The ideal concuctor for CD but not for DVD ;-)

[oboistru]

@legislator06: Have no problems with beat going up. Otherwise I agree with you totally!

[flautist]

@legislator06 in the real world the beat ALWAYS goes up. I'm speaking as a conductor.

[legislator06]

@flautist NOT TRUE ! I speak as a conductor too and i know that everywhere in the "real" world at the high schools you learn that the beat goes DOWN ! Beside that i admire Thielemann for his sound and musical interpretation but I really can't look at him.

[Maggo309]

@legislator06

The sense of music is for the ears not for the eyes. So if you "hear" music with open eyes its your own fault.

[Mase251]

I want to point out again how fantastic Thielemann´s conduction is in this prelude... I hate it, when conductors go to fast throuh the passage at 1:42, Thielemann makes the longest pause I´ve ever "heard" at this point... and it is just astonishing, how expressive the orchestra starts again... WELL DONE Christian!!!

[SiegfriedJRLi]

I totally agree with your point. The 1:42 passage is exactly what I want, and I always pay great attention to this part, probably as you do. :)

[dragmio]

I'm afraid I disagree. The pause is too long because it emphasises too much what will come after it. In Karajan's or Bohm's rendition I get surprised _every time_ I listen to it and that's what's brilliant.

[Mase251]

Although Thielemann looks and moves like a dork he´s one of the top 3 wagner-conductors of our days!!

[klapatas]

karajan was the best straussian conductor the earth has ever seen. sinopoli and thielemann come very close..

[ryanmozart]

I know thielemann is supposed to be one of the best wagnerian conductors of the day (with his bayreuth promotion and all), but i must say, he seems a bit stiff in this performance, and i find that his tempi and phrasing do not match with wagner's own markings for the vorspiel

[bordaz1]

and what would those be?

[esembesem]

the best Wagner ever! Perfect timing.

[dorotheafayne]

Thielemann is very cool! Bravo! Dorothea :)

[medmai]

Wagner and Strauss are definetively Thielemanns domains