Legendary battle. Does anyone know the exact date this happened? I've seen it represented a couple different times, and I'm just curious as to when exactly this occurred.
@zackhanscom mybe you all are fucking morons and you dont realize the beauty of the sport, some of u are like fucking myspace, you all fucking failed because you didnt adapt.
Man, I love being able to watch rare fights like this one. Aperantly the camera was snuck in which goes to explain the bad quality someone said above. None the less it's great to have some documentation of such an important and historic fight. Thanks for the post and may this footage never be lost.
no bro, first of all i was there, right after practice to watch wallid run the show, video cameras were not allowed plus the cameras back in 90's in brazil were not that good of a quality....
....anyways gringo! be thankfull for watching this video...(this is a brazilian jiujitsu treause!).
Wallid is good just grappling but in mma I agree he is not soo good. that's more of a gracie area. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. But I think Royce has less than most. I mean 3 losses in his whole mma career. One wasn't even a fight. 2nd Saku (the gracie hunter..I think he was a good weakness). 3rd matt hughes...he fought Royce while he was eating cheetos.
What happened to Royce after UFC3? He seemed to lose all his juice. The UFC Royce would never have lost to a fighter like Wallid. Also, what happened to Wallid after this fight. It certainly didn't propel him to fame. Life and martial arts are strange at times.
wallid ismail is actually quite famous in brazil and japan he trains wrestlers with puroresu legend antonio inoki and ismail runs a mma promotion in brazil and also repeatdly challenges rickson gracie to a vale tudo fight
Did you see UFC 4... that one is the best. Royce didn't really do bad after 4 either. He only got one wierd lost to Saku. And looks like age and lazyness got him with Hughes. But his opponents he beaten afterwards were tough.
Language lesson: In Japanese "jujutsu" is one word. "Ju" means "softness" or "flexibility" and "jutsu" means technique. Technically, there should be no dash in "jiu-jitsu" as it is not two words. Thus, "BJJ" should actually be be "BJ".
wallid ismail is a brazilian jiu jitsu expert and trains under carlson gracie. he is brazilian but form Arab descendant. He went for the legs and defeated royce with a clockwise chocke.
Yes,,, that is Royce Gracie,,, but this is not an MMA match,,, this is a jiu-jitsu tournament, and Yes, he did get choked unconcious. Wallid is known to be one of the greatest grapplers,,, some do say the greatest ever
Nope.... To some in the Jiu Jitsu world tapping is the cowards way out and they would rather fall asleep (like Royce did here) or get whatever limb broken before they tap (like Royce against Matt Hughes) Royce passed out here from a clock choke. Its a choke that uses the persons own Gi to assist with the choke. If done correctly, like here, youll pass out from the lack of blood flowing to your brain in a matter of seconds.
That is definately Royce...look at his distinctive slaphead....well what do you say....wow I'm shocked Royce finally gets a taste of his own medicine. Bow down to "wallid"
I have seen the color pictures from this fight and yes, that is Royce Gracie being put to sleep by Wallid. He has also defeated Ryan, Renzo, and Ralph. He is one of the greatest of all time, and (very unforunately) one of the most overlooked.
this is the guy known as the "Gracie Killer." Like Sakuraba is the "Gracie Hunter." And I am known as the "Gracie Destroyer, Obilerator, Smasher, Owner."
You can see at the beginning of the footage. Wallid Ismail x Royce Gracie 12/12/1998. It was a no-time and no-points match, the winner would be declared ONLY by submitting the opponent.
lol why would i be asking you these questions surfistae3homo if i were a gaycie expert. i may be ignorant for not knowing the answers to the questions that i asked you but you are stupid for thinking that i was a gaycie expert when i already asked you the questions. lol lol lol lol.
no surfistae3homo i dont want anyone to hate me. all im doing is expressing my opinion when i first said that royce gaycie sucks and then trancemyndhomo got butt hurt. now im asking questions and expressing my opinion. now are you a gaycie expert. lol lol lol.
lol are you the new trancemyndhomo. well if you are surfistae3homo can you answer me some questions. why did royce back out of the fight with harold howard and why hasnt rickson gaycie fought sakaruaba or bas rutten. really makes you think. lol lol lol.
Whats with the "smelly bathrobe" fagget, thats your only joke. Let me rag on you for being gay for Dragon Ball. Ha ha ha, I have brain damege from figthing. Why are you hostile about people with kimonos? Did daddy rape you while he was wering a smelly bathrobe?
lol dude you are hilarious. first please try and learn how to spell bassbainehomo i mean come on damage and wearing are two words that arent too hard to spell. and what are kimonos are they bathrobes. by the way can you tell your mom to start on the atkins diet cuz my body is sore this morning. one more question who is rolls is he the fat gaycie. lol lol lol lol.
yo...anyone who reads anything you have to say can see that your nothing but a fat loser with way too much time on your hands....you reply to everything anybody says so that means that you are constantly checking this website....he i got an idea....GET A LIFE. which in your case will be so hard that you'll just reply to this and try to be cool....you fuckin internet wanksta wannabe.
lol whats a wanksta homie g dog. are you going to now bust a cap and a move. lol. well yo ashotboy31homo royce gaycie sucks and so does ken shamcock. both cans that fight cans and never real competition. sakuraba made quick work out of those two fogeys. lol lol lol lol.
lol....look at you dog.....i knew you would reply...you have no life....im gonna respond to you no more dog..lol..its obvious your just a internet loser.
lol oh come on i need someone to make me laugh. ashotboy31homo if you want to give up just like that old geezer royce gaycie fine. oops i meant give up like that smelly old rat in his bathrobe and ken shamcock fine. lol lol lol lol.
lol gehennax66 i know i cant watch these horrible videos either without little kids arguing over a man they wont ever meet in real life. trancemyndhomo wont ever meet him in real life but argues about him all the time. im totally with you on this one gehennax66homo. lol lo lol lol lol.
UFC3548, you fagget lay of the fucking cartoons and start to train and feel what is like to get choked out. Men train and fight, pussy fagget homos write shit about fighters on the net
bassbainehomo what does that first sentence mean- lay of the. you want me to lay on the cartoons. well i think you need to lay off fighting for awhile because i think you might have some brain damage and....sniff...sniff...what the hell is that smell...sniff...will someone put royce gaycies bathrobe in the washer and put all the tide in there too. thanks. lol lol lol.
lol come on trancemyndhomo you have to admit that one was funny. i mean seriously i thought i smelled something gross and i thought it was that smelly rat royce gaycie in his bathrobe. lol lol lol.
OMG hehe..you really arent very bright...IT is Information Technology..wow..the more you talk the more dumb you sounnd..i am totally shocked! you dont know what...oh man...please, keep talking, keep showing people how *smart* you are hehe..all u had to do was type in cisco routers on google. Here, let me help, google cisco routers. Why cant you see the more u post the more ignorant you sound?
hey bro im trying to correct your grammar ok. information technology work with cisco routers. that sentence is a false statement. i mean im trying to help you and....sniff...sniff...what the hell is that smell. oh its royce gaycie's smelly bathrobe. that smelly bastard. lol lol lol lol lol lol.
Are u ever going to answer any of my questions? or are you just going to punk out in front of everyone here? theyve seen your responses, they know what youre about. Are you going to answer anything i say? Ok keep on with the old homo stuff. That doesnt answer anything bud heh. I think you CANT answer, and you call names cuz you have no answer. yeah, its easier to call names than to THINK and use your brain.
lol hypocrite again. you still havent answered two easy questions my 31 year old friend with no life. do you work and do you have an education. please tell i wont laugh...too hard!!! lol lol lol.
IT work what the freak is that? are you trying to say I work with cisco routers? if thats the case you need to learn how to spell my 31 year old friend with no life. if you need to work to have a life start with working on your spelling. lol lol lol.
lol i think im winning the fight. you said that someone who uses profanity and calls names means that the other person has gotten into there head. being a hypocrite is not a good thing. im sure that royce gaycie the loser wouldnt be too fond of you right now. i mean he fights like a girl but youre worst your a hypocrite now. lol lol lol.
winning? what have u won? how are you winning? and why do you NEVER answer any of my questions? So, how are you winning? You said royce sucks, he has more wins than losses. Whats your record? what do u study? where do u study? When are you going to stop beating around the bush and answer the questions? When are you going to the Gracie academy to fight royce and family LOL..all talk bud, youre all internet talk.
lol dude calm down your taking this way to much to the heart. im only trying to help you but now i see that im going to have to help you get me outside of your head. trancemyndhomo accept your hypocritic heritage and answer my questions about your work and education. its ok if you work at mcdonalds and have a 9th grade education ok. royce gaycie probably has an 8th grade education because he sucks. lol lol lol.
Are u ever going to answer any of my questions? or are you just going to punk out in front of everyone here? theyve seen your responses, they know what youre about. Are you going to answer anything i say? Ok keep on with the old homo stuff. That doesnt answer anything bud heh. I think you CANT answer, and you call names cuz you have no answer. yeah, its easier to call names than to THINK and use your brain...
you are the man. what would i do without you. im making a 31 year old man mad because i bash him and his so called legend that anyone can beat. royce gaycies bathrobe is so dirty that hes camoflauged. lol lol lol. you have to admit that was funny trancemyndhomo lol lol lol.
Wallid is a very skilled fighter, not only holding a win against Royce but several undocumented Gracie fights (Renzo, and I think Ralph as well) He also has a ongoing "problem" with Ryan Gracie over a supposed street fight.
woah, you were there? Nice. I've had this same vid on my comp for a while - it's pretty poor quality. I think Royce got choked out with a 'clock choke'...
Legendary battle. Does anyone know the exact date this happened? I've seen it represented a couple different times, and I'm just curious as to when exactly this occurred.
LuckyDT 1 year ago
@LuckyDT I'm sorry I just can't read the beginning where the date is....
LuckyDT 1 year ago
royce the best,
julilanco1977 1 year ago
Wallid has a nasty clock choke. He taught it to us one time, right after this video was taken.
mimiseiku 1 year ago
I have nothing but love for Royce and the Gracie family.
TruNikkaz 1 year ago 2
this is gay as shit. what kind of moron goes into a sport where they hold each other's head for 10 minutes?
zackhanscom 1 year ago
@zackhanscom
EXACTLY...maybe Gays guy do, huh?
theangelrules007 1 year ago
@zackhanscom mybe you all are fucking morons and you dont realize the beauty of the sport, some of u are like fucking myspace, you all fucking failed because you didnt adapt.
clayufcmusicfan 1 year ago
All of these ppl are cock, coward
firdaus125 2 years ago
Wallid is a serious badass. Too bad he gets no recognition in the states.
SlightlyDazed7 2 years ago
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chicky123sb 3 years ago
if ur reading this and bored K
MGSimm0ns 3 years ago
Man, I love being able to watch rare fights like this one. Aperantly the camera was snuck in which goes to explain the bad quality someone said above. None the less it's great to have some documentation of such an important and historic fight. Thanks for the post and may this footage never be lost.
hector100 4 years ago
no bro, first of all i was there, right after practice to watch wallid run the show, video cameras were not allowed plus the cameras back in 90's in brazil were not that good of a quality....
....anyways gringo! be thankfull for watching this video...(this is a brazilian jiujitsu treause!).
SorianoBjjClub 4 years ago
why has this been made b&w and so blurry? Thanks for posting but god the quality is awful.. i hope you didn't do it on purpose.
Daniel123123 4 years ago
royce did reallly good against yoshido part 2(my bad if i spelled his name wrong)
Leanwithitrockwithit 4 years ago
Wallid is good just grappling but in mma I agree he is not soo good. that's more of a gracie area. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. But I think Royce has less than most. I mean 3 losses in his whole mma career. One wasn't even a fight. 2nd Saku (the gracie hunter..I think he was a good weakness). 3rd matt hughes...he fought Royce while he was eating cheetos.
thecheatedband2003 4 years ago
Wallid is a brilliant grappler. He beat 4 Gracies, IIRC. Not a great MMA fighter, but a brilliant BJJ guy.
AlbertBundy 5 years ago 6
What happened to Royce after UFC3? He seemed to lose all his juice. The UFC Royce would never have lost to a fighter like Wallid. Also, what happened to Wallid after this fight. It certainly didn't propel him to fame. Life and martial arts are strange at times.
siasti 5 years ago
wallid ismail is actually quite famous in brazil and japan he trains wrestlers with puroresu legend antonio inoki and ismail runs a mma promotion in brazil and also repeatdly challenges rickson gracie to a vale tudo fight
omar2000089 5 years ago
Did you see UFC 4... that one is the best. Royce didn't really do bad after 4 either. He only got one wierd lost to Saku. And looks like age and lazyness got him with Hughes. But his opponents he beaten afterwards were tough.
thecheatedband2003 4 years ago
Language lesson: In Japanese "jujutsu" is one word. "Ju" means "softness" or "flexibility" and "jutsu" means technique. Technically, there should be no dash in "jiu-jitsu" as it is not two words. Thus, "BJJ" should actually be be "BJ".
siasti 5 years ago
uea but BJ usually means blow job, e.g. oral sex perfored on a male, which probably be pretty un marketable....
spurious 5 years ago
Guess what....ngfighter is a pussy faggot.
Dancious 5 years ago
Arabs do it better
PEACE1948 5 years ago
LOL Wallid made him shake like a bitchhhhhhh
pablo560 5 years ago
wallid ismail is a brazilian jiu jitsu expert and trains under carlson gracie. he is brazilian but form Arab descendant. He went for the legs and defeated royce with a clockwise chocke.
tumber2 5 years ago
Yes,,, that is Royce Gracie,,, but this is not an MMA match,,, this is a jiu-jitsu tournament, and Yes, he did get choked unconcious. Wallid is known to be one of the greatest grapplers,,, some do say the greatest ever
justlennon 5 years ago
i always knew royce isnt that good. Royler is the only gracie who is a real accomplished JJ competitor.
sweddd 5 years ago
Um, what about Rickson?
talangue 5 years ago
Dude you're obviously living in a cacoon, ignorant statements like this are good for a laugh. Thanks, we all appreciate it.
MarkNienaber 5 years ago
so he didn't tap?
mahalolovesyou 5 years ago
Nope.... To some in the Jiu Jitsu world tapping is the cowards way out and they would rather fall asleep (like Royce did here) or get whatever limb broken before they tap (like Royce against Matt Hughes) Royce passed out here from a clock choke. Its a choke that uses the persons own Gi to assist with the choke. If done correctly, like here, youll pass out from the lack of blood flowing to your brain in a matter of seconds.
topher81807 1 year ago
Royce looked like Royce in a legitimate match.
kcper1 5 years ago
sabruter film...hilarious
benntoe 5 years ago
That is definately Royce...look at his distinctive slaphead....well what do you say....wow I'm shocked Royce finally gets a taste of his own medicine. Bow down to "wallid"
GeoffGillings 5 years ago
I have seen the color pictures from this fight and yes, that is Royce Gracie being put to sleep by Wallid. He has also defeated Ryan, Renzo, and Ralph. He is one of the greatest of all time, and (very unforunately) one of the most overlooked.
kev838383 5 years ago
It's because he really did not do much in the MMA. He's lost those MMA matches because he completely lacked any striking abilities.
mhkeuns 5 years ago
this is the guy known as the "Gracie Killer." Like Sakuraba is the "Gracie Hunter." And I am known as the "Gracie Destroyer, Obilerator, Smasher, Owner."
leelandk69 5 years ago
who the fuck are you??
fabriciobraga 5 years ago
What year was that, 1965? If it was any later than this is a PITIFUL excuse for a video.
Have you seen the Zapruder film? It was from a 1960 home video camera and the footage is color AND much better quality.
blightsmite 5 years ago
Thanks for posting this.
bananahamster 5 years ago
No problemo, seems to be in short supply (Even my VHS of the Oscar de JiuJitsu is bad quality)
ngfighter 5 years ago
lol i bet thats not even royce gracie boo wallid ismail or whatever he is cant beat royce cause thats not him
raff2112 5 years ago
Ask Royce Gracie about Wallid and see if they have fought. Then, you will know.
mhkeuns 5 years ago
You can see at the beginning of the footage. Wallid Ismail x Royce Gracie 12/12/1998. It was a no-time and no-points match, the winner would be declared ONLY by submitting the opponent.
supergustavo 5 years ago
God,Dancious,shut the fuck up already.
celtics0n0fsam 5 years ago
bem feito, essa pra acabar com essa de imbativeis
tomou um baile e disse que nao treinou vao se lenha
morderous 5 years ago
lol why would i be asking you these questions surfistae3homo if i were a gaycie expert. i may be ignorant for not knowing the answers to the questions that i asked you but you are stupid for thinking that i was a gaycie expert when i already asked you the questions. lol lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
no surfistae3homo i dont want anyone to hate me. all im doing is expressing my opinion when i first said that royce gaycie sucks and then trancemyndhomo got butt hurt. now im asking questions and expressing my opinion. now are you a gaycie expert. lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
lol are you the new trancemyndhomo. well if you are surfistae3homo can you answer me some questions. why did royce back out of the fight with harold howard and why hasnt rickson gaycie fought sakaruaba or bas rutten. really makes you think. lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
Whats with the "smelly bathrobe" fagget, thats your only joke. Let me rag on you for being gay for Dragon Ball. Ha ha ha, I have brain damege from figthing. Why are you hostile about people with kimonos? Did daddy rape you while he was wering a smelly bathrobe?
bassbaine 5 years ago
lol dude you are hilarious. first please try and learn how to spell bassbainehomo i mean come on damage and wearing are two words that arent too hard to spell. and what are kimonos are they bathrobes. by the way can you tell your mom to start on the atkins diet cuz my body is sore this morning. one more question who is rolls is he the fat gaycie. lol lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
yo...anyone who reads anything you have to say can see that your nothing but a fat loser with way too much time on your hands....you reply to everything anybody says so that means that you are constantly checking this website....he i got an idea....GET A LIFE. which in your case will be so hard that you'll just reply to this and try to be cool....you fuckin internet wanksta wannabe.
ashotboy31 5 years ago
lol whats a wanksta homie g dog. are you going to now bust a cap and a move. lol. well yo ashotboy31homo royce gaycie sucks and so does ken shamcock. both cans that fight cans and never real competition. sakuraba made quick work out of those two fogeys. lol lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
lol....look at you dog.....i knew you would reply...you have no life....im gonna respond to you no more dog..lol..its obvious your just a internet loser.
ashotboy31 5 years ago
lol oh come on i need someone to make me laugh. ashotboy31homo if you want to give up just like that old geezer royce gaycie fine. oops i meant give up like that smelly old rat in his bathrobe and ken shamcock fine. lol lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
can i watch a royce gracie video on youtube without seeing these homophobic little kids argue over a man they won't ever meet in real life anyway?
gehennax66 5 years ago
Check your pm
trancemynd 5 years ago
lol gehennax66 i know i cant watch these horrible videos either without little kids arguing over a man they wont ever meet in real life. trancemyndhomo wont ever meet him in real life but argues about him all the time. im totally with you on this one gehennax66homo. lol lo lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
Is really not that hard to meet Royce or most the Gracies. Dependes where you live
bassbaine 5 years ago
UFC3548, you fagget lay of the fucking cartoons and start to train and feel what is like to get choked out. Men train and fight, pussy fagget homos write shit about fighters on the net
bassbaine 5 years ago
bassbainehomo what does that first sentence mean- lay of the. you want me to lay on the cartoons. well i think you need to lay off fighting for awhile because i think you might have some brain damage and....sniff...sniff...what the hell is that smell...sniff...will someone put royce gaycies bathrobe in the washer and put all the tide in there too. thanks. lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
all talk no action.
trancemynd 5 years ago
lol come on trancemyndhomo you have to admit that one was funny. i mean seriously i thought i smelled something gross and i thought it was that smelly rat royce gaycie in his bathrobe. lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
talk talk talk...no action..
trancemynd 5 years ago
OMG hehe..you really arent very bright...IT is Information Technology..wow..the more you talk the more dumb you sounnd..i am totally shocked! you dont know what...oh man...please, keep talking, keep showing people how *smart* you are hehe..all u had to do was type in cisco routers on google. Here, let me help, google cisco routers. Why cant you see the more u post the more ignorant you sound?
trancemynd 5 years ago
hey bro im trying to correct your grammar ok. information technology work with cisco routers. that sentence is a false statement. i mean im trying to help you and....sniff...sniff...what the hell is that smell. oh its royce gaycie's smelly bathrobe. that smelly bastard. lol lol lol lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
Ill say it again.
Are u ever going to answer any of my questions? or are you just going to punk out in front of everyone here? theyve seen your responses, they know what youre about. Are you going to answer anything i say? Ok keep on with the old homo stuff. That doesnt answer anything bud heh. I think you CANT answer, and you call names cuz you have no answer. yeah, its easier to call names than to THINK and use your brain.
trancemynd 5 years ago
lol hypocrite again. you still havent answered two easy questions my 31 year old friend with no life. do you work and do you have an education. please tell i wont laugh...too hard!!! lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
IT work with cisco routers.
so are you going to show up and tap Royce Gracie out or not. Yes or no? hehe...
trancemynd 5 years ago
IT work what the freak is that? are you trying to say I work with cisco routers? if thats the case you need to learn how to spell my 31 year old friend with no life. if you need to work to have a life start with working on your spelling. lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
Holy shit..you crazy fuck..youre now stalking me?
trancemynd 5 years ago
lol i think im winning the fight. you said that someone who uses profanity and calls names means that the other person has gotten into there head. being a hypocrite is not a good thing. im sure that royce gaycie the loser wouldnt be too fond of you right now. i mean he fights like a girl but youre worst your a hypocrite now. lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
winning? what have u won? how are you winning? and why do you NEVER answer any of my questions? So, how are you winning? You said royce sucks, he has more wins than losses. Whats your record? what do u study? where do u study? When are you going to stop beating around the bush and answer the questions? When are you going to the Gracie academy to fight royce and family LOL..all talk bud, youre all internet talk.
trancemynd 5 years ago
lol dude calm down your taking this way to much to the heart. im only trying to help you but now i see that im going to have to help you get me outside of your head. trancemyndhomo accept your hypocritic heritage and answer my questions about your work and education. its ok if you work at mcdonalds and have a 9th grade education ok. royce gaycie probably has an 8th grade education because he sucks. lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
Are u ever going to answer any of my questions? or are you just going to punk out in front of everyone here? theyve seen your responses, they know what youre about. Are you going to answer anything i say? Ok keep on with the old homo stuff. That doesnt answer anything bud heh. I think you CANT answer, and you call names cuz you have no answer. yeah, its easier to call names than to THINK and use your brain...
trancemynd 5 years ago
you are the man. what would i do without you. im making a 31 year old man mad because i bash him and his so called legend that anyone can beat. royce gaycies bathrobe is so dirty that hes camoflauged. lol lol lol. you have to admit that was funny trancemyndhomo lol lol lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
wow..really?
trancemynd 5 years ago
what happened to your bf on this one. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol. i think this is the funniest thing ive replied to so far. lol.
ufc3548 5 years ago
Wallid is a very skilled fighter, not only holding a win against Royce but several undocumented Gracie fights (Renzo, and I think Ralph as well) He also has a ongoing "problem" with Ryan Gracie over a supposed street fight.
ngfighter 5 years ago
He also promoted the Jungle Fight along with Antonio Inoki since 2003, the event was big success that more were made.
Elementa2006 5 years ago
Yah i heard the Carlson Gracie/Helio Gracie thing goes WAY back..
trancemynd 5 years ago
Where's Wallid from?
gecmartins 5 years ago
Brazilian of Arab Descent. Lebanese/Palestinian
PEACE1948 5 years ago
Yah, Royce looked like a BLUE belt. Very SAD... And yes, HISTORICAL day for the Carlson Gracie KLAN!
SlyT 5 years ago
Historical day.... and I WAS THERE THAT DAY!
Royce did everything right untill the choke hapenned (plus knowing Royce I knew he wouldnt tap). Wallid was just too much.
Do you have WALLID Vs. ROLETA? that's another old classic...
PS: take that song out, live the crowd reaction! ( I didn't scream for nothing )
Primeiro 5 years ago
woah, you were there? Nice. I've had this same vid on my comp for a while - it's pretty poor quality. I think Royce got choked out with a 'clock choke'...
B0l0joe 5 years ago