Sorry, this is TOTALLY wrong. I KNOW they are working for BAD. I'm one of the earth light-workers sent here to fix this mess. Don't listen to this shit the illuminati are heavily misguided in their ploys and actions. Yes they are using ancient magic, they are druids that have misused their power.. They will fall, but not before inflicting further suffering on us. Who felt good after that video?... no one. Cause it's not truth. God says they are fucked, sent us here, what a mess. god bless.
This is all big talk to describe a simple effect. Two choices, good or evil. God or devil. Right or wrong. Until the end of time. Only the devil wants us to believe God is bad and does not exist. He leads you away from God. So do not believe in his negativity and lies. The only and I mean ONLY one who can save you and protect you against the powers of evil is Yeshua aka Jesus Christ. You either either with Him or against Him. You choose.
The best thing to do is discredit the value of life and existence itself. Coz the truth is, our lives are so insignificant its funny. None of this shit matters, wether the world ends or not, we all dead men walking since we were born
By the time you realize that what was said is true it will basically be too late to change your heart and your frame of mind but remember you can't lie to yourself so why do you continue to do so ?
Watch a Pre-January 8th copy of Inception. Listen closely when the actors say imagine, reality, and safe, or point pistols. You'll hear the words, Loughner, offin' her, part of the word Giffords, and much more. Some say they hear, do it.
The best part is this video is dead wrong in it's predictions of the year 2010, since it's now 2011 and people still live in san francisco and damascus. Uninhabitable my ass. This illuminati bullshit saddens me. I seriously hope the people always referencing a New World Order are joking, since they never can tell you straight up what the hell is going on with this wack theory.
THE NEW WORLD ORDER EXIST TODAY BELIEVE OR NOT. NWO WILL NOT COME 2012, ALL WORLD IS PART OF NWO TODAY FROM DAY OF CREATING NWO.
UNDERSTAND?!
WE ALL TOGETHER WE ARE A PART OF NWO...
THIS WORLD NOW IS PRESENTING THE NWO.
IF YOU DONT BELIVE, LEARN, READ, STUDY...
AND ILUMINATI IS SOMETHING ELSE. I KNOW, BUT I CANT TELL YOU. THAT'S THE RULLES. BUT I WILL TELL YOU ONLY ONE THING: FIND THE RED PLANET, AND STUDY IT. STUDY THAT PLANET FROM 1 st time She was created until now. And keep it for your self
in next words i must tell you something true, and you decide true/false as your wish.
Please, you can read the Holly Qur'an if you are not Muslims. Read it, but before you MUST wash your hands in name of the God, and have soul calm with one thing in your mind "i want the true" and say to your self:
Dear God, please help me to find the right way for me and my soul. Holly Qur'an is reading from the behind-end ( from right to the left) not like other books. Amin
@damiro25 Your people were Bible believing people before Islam took over. Look at history and find out when it was written, and who it was written by. The angels from the Qu'ran like Gabriel for example were stolen from the Bible. The Qur'ran is just a giant war book of violence that looks to take over the world, and kill anyone who fights them. Jesus says to ignore all the evil and fighting in the world and love everyone, if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek.All glory goes to Jesus Christ
jesus christ is Isa from Qur'an. Jesus Christ isn't God. He is messanger of the God. Jesus is name for one man, Christ is Nick name because he was on the Christ. God isn't humanoid, he has no face and body. He is not visible. Christ cant help you.
In Holly Qur'an there is a lot of to learn, study and read. Then you can say, There is one God, we called him God, Muslims have 99 name for God, like Allah. Allah is most useful name, universal. 1400 years ago, in Holly Qur'an stays everything.
@damiro25 i too agree that jesus christ is a teacher, i respect your believes (holy qur'an and allah) and i am not here to tell you or any other to believe i am here to share information and to allow others to decide what they wish to believe - respect for free will - namaste
@damiro25 All Islam is bad spirits. It copied took a credible God from a credible book and lied about him totally changing his story. Jesus came to preach about his father, the one who gave everything over to him. He didnt come to preach about Islam or Allah he came to preach about a totally different God who tells you if you get slapped, turn the other cheek. Not to kill infidels and fight around every corner.. They changed the hole story of Jesus thousands of years after it was written.
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe Please tell us one clear thing about ISLAM that is PURE EVIL...? Do you know who has the all oil in all world? Answer is "Muslims". Do you know who has the all Gold of the world? Answer is "Muslims". Do you know who created uncreatabile thing? Answer is "Muslims". Do you know who will roole the world soon? Answer is "Islam". Do you know who created Sience? - Islam created. Islam knew things happening today 1401 years before and Sience accepted that but they don't know how !! Allah
@damiro25 Exactly. And Jesus said he is not of this world, and for Christians not to be of the world. What is to gain if you gain the hole world, but lose your soul? The only one who has power to throw you in hell is Jesus Christ. Satan is the God of this world, it says so in he Bible. If you believe the Islamic faith than Satan is your God, not allah. The Bible was written thousands of years before the qu'ran and that is a fact, they took Jesus FROM the Bible and made a story up about him LOL
@damiro25 And you think Islam knows things happening today? Look at when it was written! A LONG time after the Bible. Look at t he Bible and its prophecies there are over 300+ fulfilled prophecies. One of them that is not fulfilled yet is the New World Order. And during that New World Order a mark is given to every man women and child. And that mark is used to buy and sell, and anyone without it cannot buy or sell. Thats the technologically enhanced New World Order. Look into BIble Prophecy.
@damiro25 my ex husband is a freemason - which degree are you? they do very charity - but in the end day its a gentlemans exclusive club - the average freeman are not evil - i have met a few . As for Lucifer real - then that depends on your what you perceive of reality - exactly tell me what the the morning star means to you?
@xtermanater -- take from the message what you need - do not wait for others and/or the majority to lend credibility or disbelief - the time for believing ideas because they are popular or socially acceptable is no longer - follow your intuition trust in yourself - there is no need to trust HH, myself or anyone else for that matter - good luck on your journey .
@ascend2luv Thank-you for the kind reply, and I agree we can chose not to listen when we hear truth and that is deceiving ourselves. I pray blessings on you ( not luck) and remember in that day when you hear his voice harden not your heart.
people need to think for themselves..dont believe everything u see or hear. hh is just one guy its not like their was anyone else backing him up anyway..dont be decieved.
@xtermanater - we are now in an age where WE need to decide for ourselves what to believe - look beyond the messenger to the message itself. - I quote: HH
"No one is asking you to. Never take what another says to you as "Truth". Your purpose here, is to find your own Truth. Sometimes, others can help you to do so by offering guidance, but for their Truth to become your Truth, it must pass through the test of your discernment."
Pls dont wait for others to back up or verify YOU decide.
people need to think for themselves..dont believe everything u see or hear. hh is just one guy its not like their was anyone else bakcing him up anyway..dont be decieved.
I don't really go to church because I don't believe church is the way it should be, but I do believe in and love god, our creator. So how do I insure that I ascend to the 4th density? What religon am I supposed to follow? If any at all. How do I prepare for what's coming?
@Blue67impala check out the link to the dialogue in the video description- it is not about doing anything other than becoming fully who you already are. Treating others as you wish to be treated - the law of one. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. If the whole of humanity were to live by this one universal law the world would be transformed.
I must agree that this info about what is going to happen is correct. Many will be in 3:density and they will not feel this big change as those who are in 4:density.
Many " starseeds " have this knowledge deep within themselves and know that will happen. It will be quantum leap ...next game will start upon 4:density where we will create new standards for civilization..
I would like to thank your for making this video. It has opened up my understanding a little more about the deeper reality of good and evil (illuminati) and heaven and hell. I am very familiar with the Illuminati because of Alex Jones' films and other sources. But every once in awhile, a video comes along and opens up my mind just a little more to things that are way above the sheeples' understanding, as they only listen to their mainstream media. Your video has done that for me. Thank you!
WOW you seem diabolical right off the bat. Of course people go to hell for all eternity suffering non stop with no second chances. If you didn't accept the son you will NOT experience paradise ever suffer death but a 24/7 timeless suffering. And thats why you need Jesus in your life. You are helping the Illuminati agenda to say that we are with God always and maybe we are Gods our selfs which is a total abomination lie.
@AZcristian623 - the Illuminati need no help as long as they have religion(s) to separate people from the divinity within themselves - good luck in your beliefs - Namaste In Lak ech :D
@ascend2luv I'm confused now. they want people to come together in "Peace" and "Harmony". As you will see Inter Faith will start to become more popular. They want religions to "accept" one another. Stop trying to preach humanistic ideas because humanism is an actual religion so i guess you are also helping the Illuminati according to what you said. N dont give me that other language crap you little peace of caca!
@AZcristian623 - the tone of your comments and accusations say more about you than me, resorting to insults just weaken whatever point you are attempting to make.
a relationship with Christ is not what this is teaching...beware....soon many will disappear in the rapture..you will be lied to and told all kinds of reasons why we disappeared...the antchrist will come to power...he will confirm a seven year peace pact with isreal...the mark of the beast will cause you not to buy or sell without it, but taking it is damnation...you will still have a chance to see Jesus, but you will need to repent and ask him to forgive you...don't be left behind...
@phoenixangel1120 thank you for posting - the antichrist is here now in ALL men (false ego - the illusion of separation from each other, creation and God). We're ALL Gods children, as such are all unconditionally loved despite religious preference - Nothing exists outside of the creator including that which you call the "antichrist". Didnt Jesus say "love thine enemy?" - No one will be left behind - Christ consciousness is returning as we remember we have never been separate or apart from God.
@jayboy12398 - in the transcript Hidden Hand states that predictions are a mistake - by making predictions and them not being fulfilled the truth or light of the message is discredited - the predictions are a "red herring" as HH stated repeatedly he didnt want anyone to believe his words without question - thank you for commenting. Namaste
This opened my eyes, reading the forum has now enlightened me. There is so much in my life that only strengthens this idea that makes me not think or feel that it is truth but in my very existence instantly it all came together unlike anything before. Thank you for posting this. "nothing is coincidence" in thus even me reading it. I was in the middle leading myself to "luke warm" now I retain my valued and strengthen my courage. All is beautiful. All is well. I will never be sad ever again.
I agree with what you say about "unconditional love." But I think serving "Lucifer" is a mistake. I believe Jesus is the savior. And I think you are decieving people, that is just my "opinion." I believe that "what is of this earth," including "conciousness" is all left behind.
@vinni906 - thank you for commenting. You are free to believe, and voice what you wish including your stating that this information does not resonate with you. Good luck on your journey. Namaste
what kind of a weak god needs to be remmeberd that he is god , bullshit . Its yah that is the true god lucifer is just weak pussy who is still fussing over why has to lose all the time . The truth of yahweh will always be the only truth and its corrupt men with their luciferian worship that infiltrated christianty and made it corrupt so that they could say to you guys , see see that there is something wrong with the bible it only bring violence and judging by you people they succeeded .
but has it ever occured to you that we do not need a new religion of one ness , the word of god was and always will be perfect if men would only by the ten commandments and be humbel and love his brother , but the thing is its not christianity that failed its man and his pride and arrogance that they dont need yaheh that causes them to break them . And all pride began with lucifer in whos idea's you guys hold on to the same pride that makes you think that youb are gods
i can go on and on about this satanic filth , but the truth you guys won't listen anyway , even if we gave loads of solid proof dating back from history to know , you will still belive the very men that are tryng to fool you and they will fool you to your own destruction by the wrath of yah . Let me tell you one thing to round this up , you guys talk about love and seperation and all that ,
what will happen is very simple , when their fake messiah of thios golden age comes forth , people will be asked to take the luciferian initiation of wich there are 3 degrees ? , Christians like us who refuse will be what they call removed from this dimension wich is another word for being killed just like the yews were killed by hitler and his third reich propaganda same garabge hitler believed the same garbage as you guys but wrapped in another package ,
if you go on like this and keep rejecting the truth and side with liars , an rebels you will pay the price thats what yah adonai god of abraham says . I will pray for you shalom
and men will cling to their own teachers , rejecting the simple truth of the true god of isreal who created the heavens and the stars and of his son yahushua . Guess what guys this verses and lot more of them were written 2000 years ago and they are valid today just like the bible is valid and it was predicted that people like yourselfes would buy into this garbage . You people go right ahead and side with lucifer the loser , he was liar from the beginning and is the father of it.
you guys actualy think that lucifer is going to give you wisdom and knowledge and a golden age ? Oh my god never in my life have i seen pore people so decieved , When i see you guys talking , a quote from the bible came up : By proclaiming themselfes wise they have become as fools , and in the last days man will be withouth truth , they will be worshippers of themselfs , and evil books will be abbundant selling the doctrines of demons.
this is bullshit , you people are like puppets , its amazing that there are people out there who actualy swallow every bit of piece of info , this new age losers trow at you , its amazing how easy it is for them to manipulate folks like you , how the hell can you believe this pure evil doctrine instead of the bible . Then again they had ages to train in decieving people like you. and what is this crap about our adonai yahuah yahweh ,
dark, thank you, I agree - this is one of the most important dialogues I have come across. I will be happy to share my interpretation, but it is my viewpoint, we must ultimately all form our own truths and take from others only what resonates within. Take from it what you need, discard the rest. I will give my interpretation in response to your points and questions:
We are screwed because Yahweh has imprisoned us. - Karmically made illuminati rule us.
Lucifer made a free will decision to come here to assist the evolution of mankind, in response to the request made by Yaweh who was in fact running a begnign dictatorship. This planet was ideallic, Edenic, without contrast/polarity. Without contrast providing the need to make choices evolution is stopped or slowed down.
Made Illuminati stay without leave so they always hurt us, - Made the Council quarante us
Despite Yawhehs imprisonment, the Council gave Lucifier the choice to stay or to leave, I quote:
The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, ...
Made Illuminati stay here until what 2012 and ascend past this. This is why they HAVE to be evil.
Absolutely, its a powerful recognition that Lucifer came here to provide the contrast, the greatest act of love a being can make is to sacrifice its own evolution, in order to assit in the evolution of another.
If not for Yahweh imprisoning Lucifer, Illuminati wouldn't be so evil. Its all his fault!
I do not blame Yahweh, it just goes to show how a even a planetary logos can get things wrong, it in factsshows how like Yahweh we each are, his actions were in fact a very human, it also shows that Yahweh had an ego. I quote
"Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway,
that they were so contented with their way of life, that they would always trust him and do as he said was best. That, he said, was his "main reason" that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst. That's why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge. He believed it would prove him "right". When it did not, he became angry, threw his toys out of the pram, and his offspring out of the garden, and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him
I need a place to talk about this. i want to study this material. This Illuminati person left us very interesting info. I get it. Yahweh screwed us by not giving us Free Will and then even more by imprisonating Lucifer. And for that we have to suffer.
So the question is, will it be just as difficult living with the new Illuminati being in charge post 2012?
And as for Yahweh, will he be punished for what he did?
I need a place to talk about this. i want to study this material.
A google search reveals there are number of sites/threads discussing this, although listening to the opinions of others can sometimes confuse. We each interepet things differently. Ultimately be guided by your own intuition. Make your own choices and find your own truths.
This Illuminati person left us very interesting info. I get it. Yahweh screwed us by not giving us Free Will and then even more by imprisonating Lucifer. And for that we have to suffer.
I quote HH : You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. You are the 'offspring' or individuations of his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you ARE Yahweh. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us in his Astral Planes, also has an impact upon you."
There is no separation between our creator and us. Yahweh did what he thought best, I believe he acted out of love, in a way many human parents do. This action just highlights the similarites between us and Yahweh, I think it shows Yahweh in very human light. To err is human to forgive is divine. We each have to decide for ourselves what our choices will be. This is the time when we must all accept self-responsibility and stop blaming others, including Yahweh.
Remember that we are all one and no one, including Yahweh is doing anything to us. We all, of our own free-will choose to incaranate on this planet at this time to make these very important choices.
will it be just as difficult living with the new Illuminati being in charge post 2012?
I should imagine whoever takes over from Lucifer will continue providing the catalyst necessary for evolution. Of couse we each have a choice whether we wish to continue in 3rd density cycle of birth death reincarnation or prepare for the Harvest in 2012.
And as for Yahweh, will he be punished for what he did?
Everything, every action that effects the balance in the universe must be balanced, this is not so much a punishment, its a tool for evolution and learning, by learning the lesson and taking action to put it right - the equilibrium of the universe restored.
I am not sure I cannot blame Yahweh. His first actions were not good. But his last ones were horrible. If you say he is like a parent then what he did was very counter-intuitive. Imprisoning Lucifer made his children suffer VERY much. It was MUCH more.
Illuminati ruling us and not being able to escape is the reason to our huge sufferings. You see, evolution is supposed to be good and perfect. We were supposed to make decisions and be happy and guided. Like this, everything goes wrong for us.
Dark, whether or not you choose to blame Yahweh is your choice. I dont feel like a victim because ultimately we have all made the the free will choice to incarnate onto this planet. Evolution usually takes place slowly by the birth and death process, in these times evolution has sped up to an incredible rate, in order for us to keep pace, events and catalysts must be extreme and often. We tend to learn more from extreme contrast, that being provided by Lucifer who as a result ...
.... is incurring negative karma. The paradox is that House of Lucifer is making the supreme sacrifice it shows just how much we are loved - I appreciate its hard to truey appreciate this whilst in this third density - but its something that I have learned and appreciate almost every day. It may help you to look at a video by Bashar search "Bashar: The Rubberband Analogy" - we also must assume responsibility, we are create our collective reality by our beliefs and perceptions of reality....
"Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to,violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'. When was the
last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? ...
You free to believe what you wish. As for me I have chosen to live in a state of unconditional love, knowing that there is only one of us here, separation is an illusion, no one does anything to do us, since we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. Good luck on your journey.
You must not realize how difficult it is to live for many people on this earth and how many times they have to reincarnate over and over and continue suffering endlessly. No one even has a chance of realize Unity, Unconditional Love, and Creating our experiences. They have no chance of ever freeing themselves. We are trapped like rats and I am trying to explain it to you. Just sitting at home and feeling good isn't going to change the world. You must truly realize what is happening.
You must not realize how difficult it is to live for many people on this earth -
Oh I understand alright, but I choose to move on and am creating a life of abundance. We do have a choice we can remain trapped in the illusion and continue to be victims to circumstance or we can start to create the life we wish to see, the world acts a mirror to our beliefs. What you put out you get back - the law of attraction. Circumstances do not matter, only state of being matters.
"Just sitting at home and feeling good isn't going to change the world. "
Correct, in third density we also need action to allow manifestation. Every day I spread light and unconditional love to all that I come across. Honouring and giving gratitude to the divine in all. I aid those I am guided to help. I am playing my part and its making a difference to the lives of others, I am playing my part in the conciousness relvolution that is taking place on this planet right now.
And remember, wisdom is in 5th density and higher. That is where the answers truly are. Our Higher Self is of mid-6th density and that is who we should channel for truth and guidance.
I don't think we all can free ourselves if we had done our best. No. I used to think that but after years of contemplating that is bs. Its all Yahweh's fault and we are all trapped in the Karmic wheel of rebirth because of his enslavement of us. Yahweh is the villain and I want him punished.
dark, your need to revenge and your wanting to blame Yahweh indicates separation. I fully understand the point you are making but I simply do not agree. Assuming self responsbiity and complicity for all choices that we make, including that to incaranate into third density is ours and ours alone. This a free will universe, lessons are placed before us to aid in our growth and evolution. Continuous repetition of the same points is pointless- I agree to disagree. Believe what you wish - Namaste
I read the whole pdf and it is noteworthy that half the stuff he says would happen before certain dates that have passed already have not happened. He talks about this & that will happen in 2008 or 2009, and now we are in 2010. So I was a bit sceptical as to how authentic this insider is. Additionally, nothing he talks about regarding harvesting, positivity etc etc has been hidden from us anyway. All of those things are part of every esoteric discipline in world religions.
chaotic I agree, throughout the dialogue many ATS members mentioned the similarities to the Law of One material so yes the information is already available. Perhaps this dialogue is just another outlet - a more concise form. As for the predictions it was interesting that he said about Blossom Goodchild
"Giving dates and times that are not going to come to pass, succeeds in putting out the Light of the'channeller's message, by destroying the credibility of the messenger."
He also states "I do not want for you to blindly believe me.... What I want, is that my words become a Catalyst for you. That is what we came here to do. .... My desire is that you become an Authentic Human Being, thinking, and feeling, and deciding for yourself what "feels" like Truth for you.
I have taken from the dialogue that which resonated with me, and I would hope that others would do the same.
Thank you for your insightful and intelligent comment.
This is a pile of crap and half truths and is more or less a distraction from the real global threats.
Its just meant to muddy the waters and make fools of even more people who have touched on more of the truth then the average person.
Its not a masonic satanic cult or any garage like that, its simple corporate greed, people who have made too much money and dont want anything to change the status quo, this is just a way to confuse some and discredit others.
RedGrobo, I can appreciate your viewpoint - you are perfectly entitled to dismiss any information that doesnt resonate with you. Thank you for taking the time to comment - peace
On one hand, this stuff does resonate. Most likely it's fiction, but it's fiction with a grain of truth.
And one important truth is that in some ultimate way, value judgements of good and evil are not only meaningless, but are an impediment to enlightenment.
But, taking this entity at face value, and evaluating it in the here and now, what we see is a satanic being, attempting to fill our ears with flattering lies.
This fiction, or nonfiction, or fiction with a grain of truth, or whatever, speaks of respect, but is unworthy of respect; it speaks of decency, but it's existence is an affront to decency; it speaks of reciprocity, but it dedicates itself to destroying reciprocity. The whole exercise is laughable from the start. We know from various things that are said from time to time, that the illuminati like to play with their food. That's not a game we have to honor, or should honor.
This entity is not even worthy of such epithets as "stinking scum" that might come to mind. We've seen these kinds of exercises in perverse candor from low level illuminati, such as Rockefeller and Bush. Listen, Pal, if you want to talk, then the first rule of the game is that you don't get to make up the rules and then impose them, because then it's just more of your demented control obsession.
@radweed2009 thank you for your opinion and the recommendation that "its worth a read". I agree with you, the bottom line is that everyone should make up their own minds. I believe there is a higher power and absolute universal laws that dictate the rules of the game which is why the illuminati/lucifer resort to deception to twist the truth and blind the majority to the bigger picture. However for myself this dialogue offered clarity to many questions/issues I had prevoiusly struggled with.
I thought this video was going to be bullshit. But I reckon it's not. All of that information resonates with me. Makes sense to me. But who cares, take what you want from it and keep searching for "Your" truth.
Perceive in how he compose and writes his words. It bears the semblance of an ophite. Out in the open, they skillfully mix truths with myths. To the ones who see, they are but garbage. To those who can't, be cautious as you might be beguiled.
The real agenda is but the cultivation of people who will believe the delusion rather than love the truth. Everything is centered on that abomination and everyone will bow down to worship it as the harvest is complete.
We are all given free will to believe what we wish. I have chosen a path practicing the Law of One, "do unto others as you would have done unto you". I see the spark of creation in all things. Any religion/dogma that requires a sentient soul to worship another is flawed. By doing so a soul ignores the spark of the divinity within itself. If you read the dialogue you will not find anywhere does it call for worship, instead there is an acknowledgment of the divinity within us all.
those pyramids were built long before the illuminati ever existed, no matter how much research u do only the aztecs will ever no y they r disconnected
@123chaseh try looking at the Ra Material it will tell you who built the Egyptian Pyramids and the purpose for which they were built. I quote HH "Our Lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity. From the earliest times of your recorded "history", and beyond, our Family has been 'directing' the 'play' from behind the scenes, in one way or another. Before the rise and fall of Atlantis. (Yes, that was indeed perfectly real). We are 'born to lead' It is part of the design for this current paradigm"
there is a reason why the capstone of the pyramid is disconnected, the answer is available. Many have been disconnected/switched off from their "spirituality". This has resulted in many existing solely in "surivial mode" unable to break free of fear and ego, unable to seek answers. Ridiculing others is a symptom. We often attack what we fear most. Good luck with your choices. The Harvest or shift is happening now, time is short.....
i do believe the illuminati exist and iv read alot about them n its immpossible not 2 believe, BUT its all gay shit der aint gona b no great harvest or nuffin like dat god aint real there is no supreme being u fukd up freak ov nature,, yeah im resisting the illuminati wot u gona do?? chuck me in jail 4 sumin i dint do?? na u cant do shit da illuminati dont rule the world they pretend they do they rite storys that r impossible 2 not believe but its all lies they jus sum stupid inbred geeks
look deep inside yourself, do you really believe that you are just a flesh and blood body? Have you ever researched why the capstone of the pyramid is disconnected? You're right those families we know of do not rule this world, for generations of their lineage they have been influenced by something timeless, the absolute hold they have over mankind cannot have come from a human intelligence, it influences every aspect of our lives and society - pls dont use profanity youre better than that
Ankh, no, there is absolutely is no point in acting, this dialogue offers a glimpse at a bigger picture, and perhaps offers answers to a question many have "Why is all this happening?" The choice of what anyone chooses to believe is entirely something one must decide for themselves. Trust your own instincts and find your own truths. Namaste
i have read the full article it was very enlightening to get a perspective on the big picture of our destiny. Is this another test on r free will? from a arch deceiver to spark more confusion in the mist. Can someone go in detail of why they want a negative harvest, why do the negative entities get to graduate to 4th density along w/ the positive entities? r they going to continue mischief on a higher plane who will keep tormenting the 3rd density left behind? Is 2012 the deadline for earth?
calm I am glad you found the dialogue useful, in order to answer your question I understood that they want to graduate to the 4th density negative in order to work off the karmic effect of what is now being played out on Earth. As to the continuing torment of 3rd density, they will continue incarnating until they realise that soul evolution is about making choices. I myself havent given this much thought as we each have to decide what resonates with us. My interpretation is just an opinion.
You have to decide for yourself which course you will take, what you will believe what "feels" right for you. I personally do not believe that its my place to tell others or guess what will happen to them as a result of their choice, that alone is theirs to decide. I believe in soul contracts we each know before incarnation how life will play out, sometimes the greatest acts of evil done to us by others (sacrificing karmic debt) because they wish to help our evolution.
I found a paragraph regarding those left behind in 3rd density
"There will still be the same Negative Polarity to overcome, but if we are successful in our Negative Graduation, (which we shall be) others are standing by to take our places pulling the
strings from "behind the scenes". We have more than done our job, in discharging our Service to
you. And we are tired. It is time for us to clear our Karmic Record, and return to being the Being of Light which is our True essence."
From when the first question was asked to when the first question was answered was 1 months difference to the day --- It may be possible that it has been hoaxed although it is really interesting -- I am going through it bit by bit at the moment to really see whats inside his words
Also, just for clarification purposes, "Hidden Hand" is in the human form of a 'Man'.
If you were more observant you would note that he himself alluded that he could "could be likened to that of a 'Priest' or a 'Minister'." A Priest is always man, and a priestess is always a woman, therefore "Hidden Hand" is a Man.
(Although seriously, it does not matter what his human sex is, but people still ask this question alot.)
My friend, I am not overly concerned over who is or isnt the originator of the information, I merely quoted the source which in this instance was Hidden Hand, if there is a copyright issue then I suggest it is taken up with HH directly. I found the information imparted most useful. As to HH's identity I thank you for your observations but I am more interested in the information (that strongly resonated with me) and since I will probably never know who HH really is, I paid it no heed. Namaste
1.)There are no copyright issues here. The information was his to give out as he saw fit (With certain restrictions ofcourse.) I was just stating that he is not the original source of this 'knowledge'.
2.) "Hidden Hand" cannot be reached by me right now, and I have no desire to speak with him, he does very 'bad' things.
3.) If, and only if, you want to know who he really is you will find out in the future. Although its not nessessary.
I appreciate your comments, I took the advice given by HH and started to look into the Ra Material Law of One. The dialogue also helped me to understand the nature of sacrifice, when others give up their own evolution in order to help others. It also helped me to understand the duality of human nature in that a human being can choose to live in love or in darkness. I learned about the ego and how difficult it is for humans to accept self respnsibility. Its all so easy to blame others.
Most of all I have learned not to judge others, so if Hidden Hand is "bad" as you say then I feel nothing but compassion for him. I now fully appreciate how lucky I am to have a choice in all this, I do not think that HH and others like him have luxury of choice. As to his identity, it matters not, because we are often too influenced by the messenger so that pre-conceived ideas cloud the message. I prefer that HH remain anonymous. I do however appreciate the message he imparted. Thank you :D
1.) I did not say he is 'bad'. I merely said that he does 'bad; things. And by that I mean things that you could consider to be 'bad' in a certain context.
2.) "Hidden Hand" and others like him DO have the luxury of choice. We all do, a certain amount of 'Free Will' is bestowed to all creatures. They are choosing to do what they do on purpose as you well know, and not only that but they know there will be consequences and reprecussions.
3.) As for your learnings, you should be thankful for those. Most will not, at this point in time, either come to 'know what you know' or actually apply what they know to their lives. I sincerly hope you 'practice what you preach', if so, then you are a wonderful person and I wish you well. And if you dont..well lets just say, you have my condolences. :)
I have come to understand that certain "bad" things are done, in order to provide contrast, those who do these things do sometimes relish these tasks, but ultimately the karma accumulated from such acts will have to be attoned for. For myself the most valuable lessons I have learned have come from what I would term "bad" events. Without these I would not be who I am today.
I still have much to do, I have moments where ego overcomes my emotions, the illusion is extremely powerful, its a constant struggle to maintain inner peace and to focus my thoughts in a positive manner, knowing that thought is a creative power. This knowledge is a powerful gift which I would be crazy to ignore.
thank you, very observant of you, whether the author was Canadian or Candian educated doesn't interest me, they or he had to use 'a computer' to produce the dialogue, although its very observant of you to pinpoint that it was a candian multi-language computer. May I just ask you why you refer to yourself as "we"? who are you? this is similar to the language HH used being "we" as part of a soul group? Namaste :D
One, I understand where you are coming from in some respects, there is a lot of dis-info, and it can feel "religious" in nature, being told what to believe. This video is verbatum taken from a dialogue which is an eye opener, and I hope will help people to think for themselves. We each have free will, much of what I have come to understand were confirmed by the dialogue. I also believe that people have to think for themselves and decide what they wish to believe in. We have a choice - Peace
thank you for your comment, but have you watched this entire video or read the dialogue linked in the info? if so you would realise this has little to do with Christianity, If you support the illuminati that is your choice, we all have free will. Namaste
Good info. Something to think about. I believe ATS is a government media outlet. I have no exact proof of this but maybe if you follow the money it goes somewhere. Thanks for the post.
Sorry, this is TOTALLY wrong. I KNOW they are working for BAD. I'm one of the earth light-workers sent here to fix this mess. Don't listen to this shit the illuminati are heavily misguided in their ploys and actions. Yes they are using ancient magic, they are druids that have misused their power.. They will fall, but not before inflicting further suffering on us. Who felt good after that video?... no one. Cause it's not truth. God says they are fucked, sent us here, what a mess. god bless.
thepinkpill 2 months ago
@thepinkpill - namaste <3
ascend2luv 2 months ago
This is all big talk to describe a simple effect. Two choices, good or evil. God or devil. Right or wrong. Until the end of time. Only the devil wants us to believe God is bad and does not exist. He leads you away from God. So do not believe in his negativity and lies. The only and I mean ONLY one who can save you and protect you against the powers of evil is Yeshua aka Jesus Christ. You either either with Him or against Him. You choose.
royalsteven 6 months ago
this is so stupid lol
msdksl 6 months ago
The best thing to do is discredit the value of life and existence itself. Coz the truth is, our lives are so insignificant its funny. None of this shit matters, wether the world ends or not, we all dead men walking since we were born
CortezDemetri 6 months ago
By the time you realize that what was said is true it will basically be too late to change your heart and your frame of mind but remember you can't lie to yourself so why do you continue to do so ?
POPADON100 8 months ago
thguy had some good theroies ,,,,,,,, not impossible to predict the credit crunch tho , they happen on a cylce
kakaroobart 8 months ago
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Watch a Pre-January 8th copy of Inception. Listen closely when the actors say imagine, reality, and safe, or point pistols. You'll hear the words, Loughner, offin' her, part of the word Giffords, and much more. Some say they hear, do it.
jamestargetedindiv 10 months ago
The best part is this video is dead wrong in it's predictions of the year 2010, since it's now 2011 and people still live in san francisco and damascus. Uninhabitable my ass. This illuminati bullshit saddens me. I seriously hope the people always referencing a New World Order are joking, since they never can tell you straight up what the hell is going on with this wack theory.
semi713 10 months ago 2
fuk al dm iluminati mason bitches we gt chopas fa ngas like dat
chanelle1710 11 months ago
Alot of you guys don't know the truth, its quite sad.
RuneMadeVideos 1 year ago 2
@RuneMadeVideos - sad indeed ... namaste
ascend2luv 1 month ago
THE NEW WORLD ORDER EXIST TODAY BELIEVE OR NOT. NWO WILL NOT COME 2012, ALL WORLD IS PART OF NWO TODAY FROM DAY OF CREATING NWO.
UNDERSTAND?!
WE ALL TOGETHER WE ARE A PART OF NWO...
THIS WORLD NOW IS PRESENTING THE NWO.
IF YOU DONT BELIVE, LEARN, READ, STUDY...
AND ILUMINATI IS SOMETHING ELSE. I KNOW, BUT I CANT TELL YOU. THAT'S THE RULLES. BUT I WILL TELL YOU ONLY ONE THING: FIND THE RED PLANET, AND STUDY IT. STUDY THAT PLANET FROM 1 st time She was created until now. And keep it for your self
damiro25 1 year ago
Nothing will happen 2012. Nothing!!!
2012 is "12th" planet called "Nibiru" 12th planet around SUN. which we didn't know that exist.
damiro25 1 year ago
golden egg :)))))))
rockstoper 1 year ago
@rockstoper
Why Fear When I Am Here?
4bbc 1 year ago
@4bbc FOR SURE
WE ARE FEAR FROM ONLY ALLAH.
AND BTW WE ARE OTTOMANS 700 YEARS.
rockstoper 1 year ago
@rockstoper
Yes! Who are u 700 years from now?
4bbc 1 year ago
@4bbc 700 YEARS
pls write it with big words ^^
OTTOMANS OWNERS THE WORLD WİTH (((((((İSLAM)))))))
not with chikens like ur baba or whatever .
rockstoper 1 year ago
@rockstoper
Light up the darkness.
4bbc 1 year ago
@rockstoper
Dear my friends,
in next words i must tell you something true, and you decide true/false as your wish.
Please, you can read the Holly Qur'an if you are not Muslims. Read it, but before you MUST wash your hands in name of the God, and have soul calm with one thing in your mind "i want the true" and say to your self:
Dear God, please help me to find the right way for me and my soul. Holly Qur'an is reading from the behind-end ( from right to the left) not like other books. Amin
damiro25 1 year ago
@damiro25 ELHAMDULİLLAH İ AM A MUSLİM AND SOMETİMES İM READİNG HOLLY QUR'AN.
İ THİNK THİS İS ENOUGH FOR U BROTHER.
rockstoper 1 year ago
@damiro25 Your people were Bible believing people before Islam took over. Look at history and find out when it was written, and who it was written by. The angels from the Qu'ran like Gabriel for example were stolen from the Bible. The Qur'ran is just a giant war book of violence that looks to take over the world, and kill anyone who fights them. Jesus says to ignore all the evil and fighting in the world and love everyone, if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek.All glory goes to Jesus Christ
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
@damiro25 Can i read/touch it if im pregnant???
giiisabbi 1 year ago
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@damiro25 Can i read/touch it if im pregnant???
giiisabbi 1 year ago
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lute760 1 year ago
@lute760
WHY DID DEH ILLUMINATI DELETED DISS?
GRRR
jensen141 1 year ago
so where are those 300 mile an hour winds
shav12 1 year ago
jesus christ is Isa from Qur'an. Jesus Christ isn't God. He is messanger of the God. Jesus is name for one man, Christ is Nick name because he was on the Christ. God isn't humanoid, he has no face and body. He is not visible. Christ cant help you.
In Holly Qur'an there is a lot of to learn, study and read. Then you can say, There is one God, we called him God, Muslims have 99 name for God, like Allah. Allah is most useful name, universal. 1400 years ago, in Holly Qur'an stays everything.
Read.
damiro25 1 year ago
@damiro25 i too agree that jesus christ is a teacher, i respect your believes (holy qur'an and allah) and i am not here to tell you or any other to believe i am here to share information and to allow others to decide what they wish to believe - respect for free will - namaste
ascend2luv 1 year ago
@damiro25 ISLAM IS PURE EVIL.
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe no u say that cuz the usa brainwashed your littlee brain,and i m not islam
milstein91 1 year ago
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe ur life is just a tv and u dont know nothing about islam.
ask it to Jacques-Yves Cousteau why he is coming to islam.
and others........
i said u dont know nothing about islam.
and u dont know nothing about christ too !!!
rockstoper 1 year ago
@rockstoper
What exactly is your duty?
4bbc 1 year ago
@4bbc GOLDEN EGG :)))
rockstoper 1 year ago
@rockstoper
see a doctor!
4bbc 1 year ago
@4bbc what about golden egg ?
rockstoper 1 year ago
@rockstoper
look inside!
4bbc 1 year ago
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe NO IT's NOT !!!
In Holly Qur'an Stays " READ AND LEARN" AND YOU WILL SEE THE TROUTH.
SAY THIS: Euzubilla himinesheitan niradzim bissmillah irahmann irahim Eshedu en laillahe illelah Ve Eshedu En eMuhammed veresullulah.
and you will be "yawning"
YAWNING! WHY?
Because The Bad spirit will come out your body for good!!!!
Say cuple of times that prayer 100% will help you all.
Keep saying and saying. You will YAWNING AND YAWNING!!!
damiro25 1 year ago
@damiro25 All Islam is bad spirits. It copied took a credible God from a credible book and lied about him totally changing his story. Jesus came to preach about his father, the one who gave everything over to him. He didnt come to preach about Islam or Allah he came to preach about a totally different God who tells you if you get slapped, turn the other cheek. Not to kill infidels and fight around every corner.. They changed the hole story of Jesus thousands of years after it was written.
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
damiro25 1 year ago
@damiro25 Exactly. And Jesus said he is not of this world, and for Christians not to be of the world. What is to gain if you gain the hole world, but lose your soul? The only one who has power to throw you in hell is Jesus Christ. Satan is the God of this world, it says so in he Bible. If you believe the Islamic faith than Satan is your God, not allah. The Bible was written thousands of years before the qu'ran and that is a fact, they took Jesus FROM the Bible and made a story up about him LOL
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
@damiro25 And you think Islam knows things happening today? Look at when it was written! A LONG time after the Bible. Look at t he Bible and its prophecies there are over 300+ fulfilled prophecies. One of them that is not fulfilled yet is the New World Order. And during that New World Order a mark is given to every man women and child. And that mark is used to buy and sell, and anyone without it cannot buy or sell. Thats the technologically enhanced New World Order. Look into BIble Prophecy.
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
@damiro25
Jesus is 100% God. He healed the people and FORGAVE them their SINS.
You sound like a satanist.
uoitofsogroj 1 year ago
what does allah do to bring you salvation?
42421a 1 year ago
@damiro25 Christ has helped me.
tooncrazy1 10 months ago
@damiro25 Jesus IS GOD
ajaxinho 6 months ago
Lucifer and that crap doesn't exist!
i'm freemason so whats up?
damiro25 1 year ago
So what do you want with this video?
This is All big BullShit!
FREEMASONS ARE NOT EVIL!
The people are talking Farytales, and other who listen to that are fu'kn morrons!
Read Books ppl!
damiro25 1 year ago
@damiro25 my ex husband is a freemason - which degree are you? they do very charity - but in the end day its a gentlemans exclusive club - the average freeman are not evil - i have met a few . As for Lucifer real - then that depends on your what you perceive of reality - exactly tell me what the the morning star means to you?
ascend2luv 1 year ago
@damiro25 What are Freemason's?
1961slam 1 year ago
4:50 is that a good or bad thing??
motioshomilo 1 year ago
imo, if his message had any importance or truth he should have said his message in a more public place instead of the internet.
xtermanater 1 year ago
@xtermanater -- take from the message what you need - do not wait for others and/or the majority to lend credibility or disbelief - the time for believing ideas because they are popular or socially acceptable is no longer - follow your intuition trust in yourself - there is no need to trust HH, myself or anyone else for that matter - good luck on your journey .
ascend2luv 1 year ago
This is so sad, You people are deceived by lucfer himself. Accept Jeus Christ before it is too late.
kris38ddd 1 year ago
@kris38ddd - we can only be deceived if we chose - good luck on your choices my friend :D
ascend2luv 1 year ago
@ascend2luv Thank-you for the kind reply, and I agree we can chose not to listen when we hear truth and that is deceiving ourselves. I pray blessings on you ( not luck) and remember in that day when you hear his voice harden not your heart.
kris38ddd 1 year ago
@kris38ddd thank you for your blessings, and i return you back - unconditional love and without judgment - love and light :D
ascend2luv 1 year ago
people need to think for themselves..dont believe everything u see or hear. hh is just one guy its not like their was anyone else backing him up anyway..dont be decieved.
xtermanater 1 year ago 2
@xtermanater - we are now in an age where WE need to decide for ourselves what to believe - look beyond the messenger to the message itself. - I quote: HH
"No one is asking you to. Never take what another says to you as "Truth". Your purpose here, is to find your own Truth. Sometimes, others can help you to do so by offering guidance, but for their Truth to become your Truth, it must pass through the test of your discernment."
Pls dont wait for others to back up or verify YOU decide.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
people need to think for themselves..dont believe everything u see or hear. hh is just one guy its not like their was anyone else bakcing him up anyway..dont be decieved.
xtermanater 1 year ago
I don't really go to church because I don't believe church is the way it should be, but I do believe in and love god, our creator. So how do I insure that I ascend to the 4th density? What religon am I supposed to follow? If any at all. How do I prepare for what's coming?
Blue67impala 1 year ago
@Blue67impala check out the link to the dialogue in the video description- it is not about doing anything other than becoming fully who you already are. Treating others as you wish to be treated - the law of one. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. If the whole of humanity were to live by this one universal law the world would be transformed.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
I must agree that this info about what is going to happen is correct. Many will be in 3:density and they will not feel this big change as those who are in 4:density.
Many " starseeds " have this knowledge deep within themselves and know that will happen. It will be quantum leap ...next game will start upon 4:density where we will create new standards for civilization..
The time is now and the time is ours....
BinAlladin 1 year ago
I would like to thank your for making this video. It has opened up my understanding a little more about the deeper reality of good and evil (illuminati) and heaven and hell. I am very familiar with the Illuminati because of Alex Jones' films and other sources. But every once in awhile, a video comes along and opens up my mind just a little more to things that are way above the sheeples' understanding, as they only listen to their mainstream media. Your video has done that for me. Thank you!
Metallicafan6611 1 year ago
@Metallicafan6611 - your comment is reason I wanted to share this information - . Be well my friend :D
ascend2luv 1 year ago
WOW you seem diabolical right off the bat. Of course people go to hell for all eternity suffering non stop with no second chances. If you didn't accept the son you will NOT experience paradise ever suffer death but a 24/7 timeless suffering. And thats why you need Jesus in your life. You are helping the Illuminati agenda to say that we are with God always and maybe we are Gods our selfs which is a total abomination lie.
AZcristian623 1 year ago
@AZcristian623 - the Illuminati need no help as long as they have religion(s) to separate people from the divinity within themselves - good luck in your beliefs - Namaste In Lak ech :D
ascend2luv 1 year ago
@ascend2luv I'm confused now. they want people to come together in "Peace" and "Harmony". As you will see Inter Faith will start to become more popular. They want religions to "accept" one another. Stop trying to preach humanistic ideas because humanism is an actual religion so i guess you are also helping the Illuminati according to what you said. N dont give me that other language crap you little peace of caca!
AZcristian623 1 year ago
@AZcristian623 - the tone of your comments and accusations say more about you than me, resorting to insults just weaken whatever point you are attempting to make.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
Hm,I say we all just pray.
704forlife22 1 year ago
a relationship with Christ is not what this is teaching...beware....soon many will disappear in the rapture..you will be lied to and told all kinds of reasons why we disappeared...the antchrist will come to power...he will confirm a seven year peace pact with isreal...the mark of the beast will cause you not to buy or sell without it, but taking it is damnation...you will still have a chance to see Jesus, but you will need to repent and ask him to forgive you...don't be left behind...
phoenixangel1120 1 year ago
@phoenixangel1120 thank you for posting - the antichrist is here now in ALL men (false ego - the illusion of separation from each other, creation and God). We're ALL Gods children, as such are all unconditionally loved despite religious preference - Nothing exists outside of the creator including that which you call the "antichrist". Didnt Jesus say "love thine enemy?" - No one will be left behind - Christ consciousness is returning as we remember we have never been separate or apart from God.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
please post more/ open the unconciousness gates of heaven..
lovely2798 1 year ago
well i belive in the illumanti but i am calling ull crap what city is under water rite now, and for sf at the end of 2010 we shall see
jayboy12398 1 year ago
@jayboy12398 - in the transcript Hidden Hand states that predictions are a mistake - by making predictions and them not being fulfilled the truth or light of the message is discredited - the predictions are a "red herring" as HH stated repeatedly he didnt want anyone to believe his words without question - thank you for commenting. Namaste
ascend2luv 1 year ago
so this is the accuser of the brethern?
ZoMBieAtBeST 1 year ago
so we all die or go back to when we were born?this seems to big to contemplate.its horrible and amazing at the same time...some help me to understand
bobbykane09 1 year ago
This opened my eyes, reading the forum has now enlightened me. There is so much in my life that only strengthens this idea that makes me not think or feel that it is truth but in my very existence instantly it all came together unlike anything before. Thank you for posting this. "nothing is coincidence" in thus even me reading it. I was in the middle leading myself to "luke warm" now I retain my valued and strengthen my courage. All is beautiful. All is well. I will never be sad ever again.
cainsrain 1 year ago
@cainsrain - thank you for your comment - good luck on your soul's journey. All is well indeed my friend. Namaste
ascend2luv 1 year ago
@ascend2luv
I agree with what you say about "unconditional love." But I think serving "Lucifer" is a mistake. I believe Jesus is the savior. And I think you are decieving people, that is just my "opinion." I believe that "what is of this earth," including "conciousness" is all left behind.
CoSpr443 1 year ago
may god and his son the massiach have mercy upon you.
vinni906 1 year ago
@vinni906 - thank you for commenting. You are free to believe, and voice what you wish including your stating that this information does not resonate with you. Good luck on your journey. Namaste
ascend2luv 1 year ago
what kind of a weak god needs to be remmeberd that he is god , bullshit . Its yah that is the true god lucifer is just weak pussy who is still fussing over why has to lose all the time . The truth of yahweh will always be the only truth and its corrupt men with their luciferian worship that infiltrated christianty and made it corrupt so that they could say to you guys , see see that there is something wrong with the bible it only bring violence and judging by you people they succeeded .
vinni906 1 year ago
but has it ever occured to you that we do not need a new religion of one ness , the word of god was and always will be perfect if men would only by the ten commandments and be humbel and love his brother , but the thing is its not christianity that failed its man and his pride and arrogance that they dont need yaheh that causes them to break them . And all pride began with lucifer in whos idea's you guys hold on to the same pride that makes you think that youb are gods
vinni906 1 year ago
i can go on and on about this satanic filth , but the truth you guys won't listen anyway , even if we gave loads of solid proof dating back from history to know , you will still belive the very men that are tryng to fool you and they will fool you to your own destruction by the wrath of yah . Let me tell you one thing to round this up , you guys talk about love and seperation and all that ,
vinni906 1 year ago
what will happen is very simple , when their fake messiah of thios golden age comes forth , people will be asked to take the luciferian initiation of wich there are 3 degrees ? , Christians like us who refuse will be what they call removed from this dimension wich is another word for being killed just like the yews were killed by hitler and his third reich propaganda same garabge hitler believed the same garbage as you guys but wrapped in another package ,
vinni906 1 year ago
if you go on like this and keep rejecting the truth and side with liars , an rebels you will pay the price thats what yah adonai god of abraham says . I will pray for you shalom
vinni906 1 year ago
and men will cling to their own teachers , rejecting the simple truth of the true god of isreal who created the heavens and the stars and of his son yahushua . Guess what guys this verses and lot more of them were written 2000 years ago and they are valid today just like the bible is valid and it was predicted that people like yourselfes would buy into this garbage . You people go right ahead and side with lucifer the loser , he was liar from the beginning and is the father of it.
vinni906 1 year ago
you guys actualy think that lucifer is going to give you wisdom and knowledge and a golden age ? Oh my god never in my life have i seen pore people so decieved , When i see you guys talking , a quote from the bible came up : By proclaiming themselfes wise they have become as fools , and in the last days man will be withouth truth , they will be worshippers of themselfs , and evil books will be abbundant selling the doctrines of demons.
vinni906 1 year ago
this is bullshit , you people are like puppets , its amazing that there are people out there who actualy swallow every bit of piece of info , this new age losers trow at you , its amazing how easy it is for them to manipulate folks like you , how the hell can you believe this pure evil doctrine instead of the bible . Then again they had ages to train in decieving people like you. and what is this crap about our adonai yahuah yahweh ,
vinni906 1 year ago
what happens in 2012?
ownagewithhonour 1 year ago
We are screwed because Yahweh has imprisoned us. What it did was:
-Karmically, made Illuminati rule us.
-Made Illuminati stay without leave so they always hurt us
-Made the Council quarante us. No alien can help or hurt us.
-Made Illuminati stay here until what 2012 and ascend past this. This is why they HAVE to be evil.
If not for Yahweh imprisoning Lucifer, Illuminati wouldn't be so evil. Its all his fault!
darkchakra123 1 year ago
dark, thank you, I agree - this is one of the most important dialogues I have come across. I will be happy to share my interpretation, but it is my viewpoint, we must ultimately all form our own truths and take from others only what resonates within. Take from it what you need, discard the rest. I will give my interpretation in response to your points and questions:
ascend2luv 1 year ago
We are screwed because Yahweh has imprisoned us. - Karmically made illuminati rule us.
Lucifer made a free will decision to come here to assist the evolution of mankind, in response to the request made by Yaweh who was in fact running a begnign dictatorship. This planet was ideallic, Edenic, without contrast/polarity. Without contrast providing the need to make choices evolution is stopped or slowed down.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
Made Illuminati stay without leave so they always hurt us, - Made the Council quarante us
Despite Yawhehs imprisonment, the Council gave Lucifier the choice to stay or to leave, I quote:
The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, ...
ascend2luv 1 year ago
.....The only way we could stay, was to stay confined as a Group Soul, which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls)
ascend2luv 1 year ago
Made Illuminati stay here until what 2012 and ascend past this. This is why they HAVE to be evil.
Absolutely, its a powerful recognition that Lucifer came here to provide the contrast, the greatest act of love a being can make is to sacrifice its own evolution, in order to assit in the evolution of another.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
If not for Yahweh imprisoning Lucifer, Illuminati wouldn't be so evil. Its all his fault!
I do not blame Yahweh, it just goes to show how a even a planetary logos can get things wrong, it in factsshows how like Yahweh we each are, his actions were in fact a very human, it also shows that Yahweh had an ego. I quote
"Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway,
ascend2luv 1 year ago
that they were so contented with their way of life, that they would always trust him and do as he said was best. That, he said, was his "main reason" that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst. That's why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge. He believed it would prove him "right". When it did not, he became angry, threw his toys out of the pram, and his offspring out of the garden, and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him
ascend2luv 1 year ago
I need a place to talk about this. i want to study this material. This Illuminati person left us very interesting info. I get it. Yahweh screwed us by not giving us Free Will and then even more by imprisonating Lucifer. And for that we have to suffer.
So the question is, will it be just as difficult living with the new Illuminati being in charge post 2012?
And as for Yahweh, will he be punished for what he did?
darkchakra123 1 year ago
I need a place to talk about this. i want to study this material.
A google search reveals there are number of sites/threads discussing this, although listening to the opinions of others can sometimes confuse. We each interepet things differently. Ultimately be guided by your own intuition. Make your own choices and find your own truths.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
This Illuminati person left us very interesting info. I get it. Yahweh screwed us by not giving us Free Will and then even more by imprisonating Lucifer. And for that we have to suffer.
I quote HH : You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. You are the 'offspring' or individuations of his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you ARE Yahweh. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us in his Astral Planes, also has an impact upon you."
ascend2luv 1 year ago
There is no separation between our creator and us. Yahweh did what he thought best, I believe he acted out of love, in a way many human parents do. This action just highlights the similarites between us and Yahweh, I think it shows Yahweh in very human light. To err is human to forgive is divine. We each have to decide for ourselves what our choices will be. This is the time when we must all accept self-responsibility and stop blaming others, including Yahweh.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
Remember that we are all one and no one, including Yahweh is doing anything to us. We all, of our own free-will choose to incaranate on this planet at this time to make these very important choices.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
will it be just as difficult living with the new Illuminati being in charge post 2012?
I should imagine whoever takes over from Lucifer will continue providing the catalyst necessary for evolution. Of couse we each have a choice whether we wish to continue in 3rd density cycle of birth death reincarnation or prepare for the Harvest in 2012.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
And as for Yahweh, will he be punished for what he did?
Everything, every action that effects the balance in the universe must be balanced, this is not so much a punishment, its a tool for evolution and learning, by learning the lesson and taking action to put it right - the equilibrium of the universe restored.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
I am not sure I cannot blame Yahweh. His first actions were not good. But his last ones were horrible. If you say he is like a parent then what he did was very counter-intuitive. Imprisoning Lucifer made his children suffer VERY much. It was MUCH more.
Illuminati ruling us and not being able to escape is the reason to our huge sufferings. You see, evolution is supposed to be good and perfect. We were supposed to make decisions and be happy and guided. Like this, everything goes wrong for us.
darkchakra123 1 year ago
Dark, whether or not you choose to blame Yahweh is your choice. I dont feel like a victim because ultimately we have all made the the free will choice to incarnate onto this planet. Evolution usually takes place slowly by the birth and death process, in these times evolution has sped up to an incredible rate, in order for us to keep pace, events and catalysts must be extreme and often. We tend to learn more from extreme contrast, that being provided by Lucifer who as a result ...
ascend2luv 1 year ago
.... is incurring negative karma. The paradox is that House of Lucifer is making the supreme sacrifice it shows just how much we are loved - I appreciate its hard to truey appreciate this whilst in this third density - but its something that I have learned and appreciate almost every day. It may help you to look at a video by Bashar search "Bashar: The Rubberband Analogy" - we also must assume responsibility, we are create our collective reality by our beliefs and perceptions of reality....
ascend2luv 1 year ago
I quote HH:
"Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to,violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'. When was the
last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? ...
ascend2luv 1 year ago
The planet is the way it is, because
of your collective thoughts about it. ...."
ascend2luv 1 year ago
You don't have any choice. You are stuck in the wheel of rebirth and there is nothing you can do. That's the whole problem.
darkchakra123 1 year ago
You free to believe what you wish. As for me I have chosen to live in a state of unconditional love, knowing that there is only one of us here, separation is an illusion, no one does anything to do us, since we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. Good luck on your journey.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
You must not realize how difficult it is to live for many people on this earth and how many times they have to reincarnate over and over and continue suffering endlessly. No one even has a chance of realize Unity, Unconditional Love, and Creating our experiences. They have no chance of ever freeing themselves. We are trapped like rats and I am trying to explain it to you. Just sitting at home and feeling good isn't going to change the world. You must truly realize what is happening.
darkchakra123 1 year ago
You must not realize how difficult it is to live for many people on this earth -
Oh I understand alright, but I choose to move on and am creating a life of abundance. We do have a choice we can remain trapped in the illusion and continue to be victims to circumstance or we can start to create the life we wish to see, the world acts a mirror to our beliefs. What you put out you get back - the law of attraction. Circumstances do not matter, only state of being matters.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
@dark
"Just sitting at home and feeling good isn't going to change the world. "
Correct, in third density we also need action to allow manifestation. Every day I spread light and unconditional love to all that I come across. Honouring and giving gratitude to the divine in all. I aid those I am guided to help. I am playing my part and its making a difference to the lives of others, I am playing my part in the conciousness relvolution that is taking place on this planet right now.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
And remember, wisdom is in 5th density and higher. That is where the answers truly are. Our Higher Self is of mid-6th density and that is who we should channel for truth and guidance.
I don't think we all can free ourselves if we had done our best. No. I used to think that but after years of contemplating that is bs. Its all Yahweh's fault and we are all trapped in the Karmic wheel of rebirth because of his enslavement of us. Yahweh is the villain and I want him punished.
darkchakra123 1 year ago
Karma is not punishment, its balancing, for every action there is a reaction, through the lessons learned we take action to balance.
ascend2luv 1 year ago
dark, your need to revenge and your wanting to blame Yahweh indicates separation. I fully understand the point you are making but I simply do not agree. Assuming self responsbiity and complicity for all choices that we make, including that to incaranate into third density is ours and ours alone. This a free will universe, lessons are placed before us to aid in our growth and evolution. Continuous repetition of the same points is pointless- I agree to disagree. Believe what you wish - Namaste
ascend2luv 1 year ago
BULLSHIT DISINFORMATION GARBAGE.
TechArcturian 1 year ago
I read the whole pdf and it is noteworthy that half the stuff he says would happen before certain dates that have passed already have not happened. He talks about this & that will happen in 2008 or 2009, and now we are in 2010. So I was a bit sceptical as to how authentic this insider is. Additionally, nothing he talks about regarding harvesting, positivity etc etc has been hidden from us anyway. All of those things are part of every esoteric discipline in world religions.
chaoticpicks 2 years ago
chaotic I agree, throughout the dialogue many ATS members mentioned the similarities to the Law of One material so yes the information is already available. Perhaps this dialogue is just another outlet - a more concise form. As for the predictions it was interesting that he said about Blossom Goodchild
"Giving dates and times that are not going to come to pass, succeeds in putting out the Light of the'channeller's message, by destroying the credibility of the messenger."
contd ....
ascend2luv 2 years ago
He also states "I do not want for you to blindly believe me.... What I want, is that my words become a Catalyst for you. That is what we came here to do. .... My desire is that you become an Authentic Human Being, thinking, and feeling, and deciding for yourself what "feels" like Truth for you.
I have taken from the dialogue that which resonated with me, and I would hope that others would do the same.
Thank you for your insightful and intelligent comment.
Namaste
ascend2luv 2 years ago
This is a pile of crap and half truths and is more or less a distraction from the real global threats.
Its just meant to muddy the waters and make fools of even more people who have touched on more of the truth then the average person.
Its not a masonic satanic cult or any garage like that, its simple corporate greed, people who have made too much money and dont want anything to change the status quo, this is just a way to confuse some and discredit others.
RedGrobo 2 years ago
RedGrobo, I can appreciate your viewpoint - you are perfectly entitled to dismiss any information that doesnt resonate with you. Thank you for taking the time to comment - peace
ascend2luv 2 years ago
MUST WATCH "THE ARRIVALS"
7imara 2 years ago
On one hand, this stuff does resonate. Most likely it's fiction, but it's fiction with a grain of truth.
And one important truth is that in some ultimate way, value judgements of good and evil are not only meaningless, but are an impediment to enlightenment.
But, taking this entity at face value, and evaluating it in the here and now, what we see is a satanic being, attempting to fill our ears with flattering lies.
radweed2009 2 years ago
This fiction, or nonfiction, or fiction with a grain of truth, or whatever, speaks of respect, but is unworthy of respect; it speaks of decency, but it's existence is an affront to decency; it speaks of reciprocity, but it dedicates itself to destroying reciprocity. The whole exercise is laughable from the start. We know from various things that are said from time to time, that the illuminati like to play with their food. That's not a game we have to honor, or should honor.
radweed2009 2 years ago
This entity is not even worthy of such epithets as "stinking scum" that might come to mind. We've seen these kinds of exercises in perverse candor from low level illuminati, such as Rockefeller and Bush. Listen, Pal, if you want to talk, then the first rule of the game is that you don't get to make up the rules and then impose them, because then it's just more of your demented control obsession.
But it's worth a read.
radweed2009 2 years ago
@radweed2009 thank you for your opinion and the recommendation that "its worth a read". I agree with you, the bottom line is that everyone should make up their own minds. I believe there is a higher power and absolute universal laws that dictate the rules of the game which is why the illuminati/lucifer resort to deception to twist the truth and blind the majority to the bigger picture. However for myself this dialogue offered clarity to many questions/issues I had prevoiusly struggled with.
ascend2luv 2 years ago
I thought this video was going to be bullshit. But I reckon it's not. All of that information resonates with me. Makes sense to me. But who cares, take what you want from it and keep searching for "Your" truth.
Brambleiah 2 years ago
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xRevelator 2 years ago
Perceive in how he compose and writes his words. It bears the semblance of an ophite. Out in the open, they skillfully mix truths with myths. To the ones who see, they are but garbage. To those who can't, be cautious as you might be beguiled.
The real agenda is but the cultivation of people who will believe the delusion rather than love the truth. Everything is centered on that abomination and everyone will bow down to worship it as the harvest is complete.
xRevelator 2 years ago
We are all given free will to believe what we wish. I have chosen a path practicing the Law of One, "do unto others as you would have done unto you". I see the spark of creation in all things. Any religion/dogma that requires a sentient soul to worship another is flawed. By doing so a soul ignores the spark of the divinity within itself. If you read the dialogue you will not find anywhere does it call for worship, instead there is an acknowledgment of the divinity within us all.
ascend2luv 2 years ago
How sickening.
Blacks and whites must unite and abolish the abhorrent Illuminati.
PonguigPeopinn 2 years ago
123chaseh no swearin plz ur betta den dat lol ur bunch of nutters all of u, u b long in a nut house, its all fake
chks8609 2 years ago
@chks8609
"its all fake"
That is a beauty of free will we are able to decide what we wish to believe is real and fake.
ascend2luv 2 years ago
those pyramids were built long before the illuminati ever existed, no matter how much research u do only the aztecs will ever no y they r disconnected
123chaseh 2 years ago
@123chaseh try looking at the Ra Material it will tell you who built the Egyptian Pyramids and the purpose for which they were built. I quote HH "Our Lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity. From the earliest times of your recorded "history", and beyond, our Family has been 'directing' the 'play' from behind the scenes, in one way or another. Before the rise and fall of Atlantis. (Yes, that was indeed perfectly real). We are 'born to lead' It is part of the design for this current paradigm"
ascend2luv 2 years ago
there is a reason why the capstone of the pyramid is disconnected, the answer is available. Many have been disconnected/switched off from their "spirituality". This has resulted in many existing solely in "surivial mode" unable to break free of fear and ego, unable to seek answers. Ridiculing others is a symptom. We often attack what we fear most. Good luck with your choices. The Harvest or shift is happening now, time is short.....
ascend2luv 2 years ago
i do believe the illuminati exist and iv read alot about them n its immpossible not 2 believe, BUT its all gay shit der aint gona b no great harvest or nuffin like dat god aint real there is no supreme being u fukd up freak ov nature,, yeah im resisting the illuminati wot u gona do?? chuck me in jail 4 sumin i dint do?? na u cant do shit da illuminati dont rule the world they pretend they do they rite storys that r impossible 2 not believe but its all lies they jus sum stupid inbred geeks
123chaseh 2 years ago
look deep inside yourself, do you really believe that you are just a flesh and blood body? Have you ever researched why the capstone of the pyramid is disconnected? You're right those families we know of do not rule this world, for generations of their lineage they have been influenced by something timeless, the absolute hold they have over mankind cannot have come from a human intelligence, it influences every aspect of our lives and society - pls dont use profanity youre better than that
ascend2luv 2 years ago
so you read this and your all going to act like enlightend..... you dont know the first of it
TheAnkh1 2 years ago
Ankh, no, there is absolutely is no point in acting, this dialogue offers a glimpse at a bigger picture, and perhaps offers answers to a question many have "Why is all this happening?" The choice of what anyone chooses to believe is entirely something one must decide for themselves. Trust your own instincts and find your own truths. Namaste
ascend2luv 2 years ago
i have read the full article it was very enlightening to get a perspective on the big picture of our destiny. Is this another test on r free will? from a arch deceiver to spark more confusion in the mist. Can someone go in detail of why they want a negative harvest, why do the negative entities get to graduate to 4th density along w/ the positive entities? r they going to continue mischief on a higher plane who will keep tormenting the 3rd density left behind? Is 2012 the deadline for earth?
calmmint 2 years ago
calm I am glad you found the dialogue useful, in order to answer your question I understood that they want to graduate to the 4th density negative in order to work off the karmic effect of what is now being played out on Earth. As to the continuing torment of 3rd density, they will continue incarnating until they realise that soul evolution is about making choices. I myself havent given this much thought as we each have to decide what resonates with us. My interpretation is just an opinion.
ascend2luv 2 years ago
You have to decide for yourself which course you will take, what you will believe what "feels" right for you. I personally do not believe that its my place to tell others or guess what will happen to them as a result of their choice, that alone is theirs to decide. I believe in soul contracts we each know before incarnation how life will play out, sometimes the greatest acts of evil done to us by others (sacrificing karmic debt) because they wish to help our evolution.
ascend2luv 2 years ago
I found a paragraph regarding those left behind in 3rd density
"There will still be the same Negative Polarity to overcome, but if we are successful in our Negative Graduation, (which we shall be) others are standing by to take our places pulling the
strings from "behind the scenes". We have more than done our job, in discharging our Service to
you. And we are tired. It is time for us to clear our Karmic Record, and return to being the Being of Light which is our True essence."
ascend2luv 2 years ago
From when the first question was asked to when the first question was answered was 1 months difference to the day --- It may be possible that it has been hoaxed although it is really interesting -- I am going through it bit by bit at the moment to really see whats inside his words
knightsof0ld 2 years ago
Also, just for clarification purposes, "Hidden Hand" is in the human form of a 'Man'.
If you were more observant you would note that he himself alluded that he could "could be likened to that of a 'Priest' or a 'Minister'." A Priest is always man, and a priestess is always a woman, therefore "Hidden Hand" is a Man.
(Although seriously, it does not matter what his human sex is, but people still ask this question alot.)
AxiomaticObserver 2 years ago
My friend, I am not overly concerned over who is or isnt the originator of the information, I merely quoted the source which in this instance was Hidden Hand, if there is a copyright issue then I suggest it is taken up with HH directly. I found the information imparted most useful. As to HH's identity I thank you for your observations but I am more interested in the information (that strongly resonated with me) and since I will probably never know who HH really is, I paid it no heed. Namaste
ascend2luv 2 years ago
1.)There are no copyright issues here. The information was his to give out as he saw fit (With certain restrictions ofcourse.) I was just stating that he is not the original source of this 'knowledge'.
2.) "Hidden Hand" cannot be reached by me right now, and I have no desire to speak with him, he does very 'bad' things.
3.) If, and only if, you want to know who he really is you will find out in the future. Although its not nessessary.
Thank you for the kind saying.
Namaste :)
AxiomaticObserver 2 years ago
I appreciate your comments, I took the advice given by HH and started to look into the Ra Material Law of One. The dialogue also helped me to understand the nature of sacrifice, when others give up their own evolution in order to help others. It also helped me to understand the duality of human nature in that a human being can choose to live in love or in darkness. I learned about the ego and how difficult it is for humans to accept self respnsibility. Its all so easy to blame others.
ascend2luv 2 years ago
Most of all I have learned not to judge others, so if Hidden Hand is "bad" as you say then I feel nothing but compassion for him. I now fully appreciate how lucky I am to have a choice in all this, I do not think that HH and others like him have luxury of choice. As to his identity, it matters not, because we are often too influenced by the messenger so that pre-conceived ideas cloud the message. I prefer that HH remain anonymous. I do however appreciate the message he imparted. Thank you :D
ascend2luv 2 years ago
1.) I did not say he is 'bad'. I merely said that he does 'bad; things. And by that I mean things that you could consider to be 'bad' in a certain context.
2.) "Hidden Hand" and others like him DO have the luxury of choice. We all do, a certain amount of 'Free Will' is bestowed to all creatures. They are choosing to do what they do on purpose as you well know, and not only that but they know there will be consequences and reprecussions.
AxiomaticObserver 2 years ago
3.) As for your learnings, you should be thankful for those. Most will not, at this point in time, either come to 'know what you know' or actually apply what they know to their lives. I sincerly hope you 'practice what you preach', if so, then you are a wonderful person and I wish you well. And if you dont..well lets just say, you have my condolences. :)
AxiomaticObserver 2 years ago
I have come to understand that certain "bad" things are done, in order to provide contrast, those who do these things do sometimes relish these tasks, but ultimately the karma accumulated from such acts will have to be attoned for. For myself the most valuable lessons I have learned have come from what I would term "bad" events. Without these I would not be who I am today.
ascend2luv 2 years ago
I sincerly hope you 'practice what you preach'
I still have much to do, I have moments where ego overcomes my emotions, the illusion is extremely powerful, its a constant struggle to maintain inner peace and to focus my thoughts in a positive manner, knowing that thought is a creative power. This knowledge is a powerful gift which I would be crazy to ignore.
I too wish you well and appreciate your comments.
all is well :D
ascend2luv 2 years ago
'We', likewise, would really hope that you would stop referring to "Hidden Hand" as 'the author' of this information.
He may have been the one to release this information, but he is certainly not the 'Author' of it.
If you write a book, I read it and then tell others the information I have read, does that make me the author of the book?
AxiomaticObserver 2 years ago
@AxiomaticObserver Why does it matter who the "Author" of this is? Why do you care?
OneLazyBastard 1 year ago
also, they raise words like ``NOT``
AND, type things often in
quote marks, utilsing either singular ones ` or double ones ``
KulCulKan 2 years ago
we are suprised, that you are NOT more observant
HiDDEN HAND is obviously from canada
they spell THE WORD `` color `` - as, coloUr - which narrows things, to the UK or canada
they utilise a keyboard - with an accent é -- which is NOT on a UK computer,
but, it is, only found on a canadian computer
note the word
namasté - only a canadian multi-language computer could-or, would do that
KulCulKan 2 years ago
thank you, very observant of you, whether the author was Canadian or Candian educated doesn't interest me, they or he had to use 'a computer' to produce the dialogue, although its very observant of you to pinpoint that it was a candian multi-language computer. May I just ask you why you refer to yourself as "we"? who are you? this is similar to the language HH used being "we" as part of a soul group? Namaste :D
ascend2luv 2 years ago
One, I understand where you are coming from in some respects, there is a lot of dis-info, and it can feel "religious" in nature, being told what to believe. This video is verbatum taken from a dialogue which is an eye opener, and I hope will help people to think for themselves. We each have free will, much of what I have come to understand were confirmed by the dialogue. I also believe that people have to think for themselves and decide what they wish to believe in. We have a choice - Peace
ascend2luv 2 years ago
thank you for your comment, but have you watched this entire video or read the dialogue linked in the info? if so you would realise this has little to do with Christianity, If you support the illuminati that is your choice, we all have free will. Namaste
ascend2luv 2 years ago
LAA lLAHS nRUB NI EHt DNE... RUOY EMit Si Trohs.
greatescode66 2 years ago
Is the messiah alive today?lol he came 2000 years ago. you will see him coming on the clouds of heaven when he returns
snappa52 2 years ago
Good info. Something to think about. I believe ATS is a government media outlet. I have no exact proof of this but maybe if you follow the money it goes somewhere. Thanks for the post.
EwakAmerica 2 years ago
of course I will read the entire thing, thanks
jupiter66 2 years ago
you are most welcome. Thank you for posting to my video. Namaste
ascend2luv 2 years ago