The Lincoln brand is dead if this MKS is the best it can do. At least in an old Town Car it feels, looks, and drives like a luxury american vehicle (which is a totally different experience from german or jap luxury cars so don't go there). The MKS is nothing but an expensive Ford Taurus. No wonder so many people are keeping or buying old Town Cars so they can have a REAL Lincoln in their driveway..not this poor replacement.
@cardude1992 The fact that you would think a Chrysler can beat anything..especially when it comes to quality..is laughable. Chrysler quality is the worst of all american car brands. Which is why their vehicles depreciate so much. Everyone who knows cars or at least reads the quality surveys knows what junk they are. This is why you see so many 300's in the ghetto..they are cheap to get and totally disposable plastic boxes on wheels.
@Nightbird they used to be horrible but now they are putting out good new products with massive help from fiat. that is why new 300 is so much better than the previous 300
@cardude1992 I hope your right..but that still doesn't help you when the car depreciates so much due to bad quality surveys & public perception..which means you lose out when it's time to trade it in. Also..these new Chryslers are too new to really know if the quality is there for the long haul..because any car is ok during the first year of ownership.
That's too much of a risk for me..but if your ok with that good luck with it. =)
@Nightbird also is there any other large rwd american family sedan other than the charger and 300 anymore? no. fords and lincoln and the new large caddy are fwd cars. non of them have the attitude of the 300 and charger. the new 300 got great reviews from british top gear as well whick means its the first chrysler they recommend buying lol
@cardude1992 The new Dodge Dart is based off an Alfa Romeo and will blow the doors off any competitor like the Corolla, Civic, and GM (aka Communist Motors) Cruze.
This reviewer only discusses the pros of a touchscreen. The disadvantage is that first off, it gets smudged with your fingerprints. And over the long term, the screen can become delaminated.
Good review, but I think you need to consider a different way to review cars that have Sync. The hardware in sync equiped cars doesnt even scratch the potential. There is nothing innovative about the sync implementation other than maybe the voice control. there isn't a car out there right now that meets the needs of the Web 2.0 gen. $3000 is an absolute rip off. Do you have any idea what kind of carputer you could install from that money? And that's with no economies of scale.
I'd take this over the CTS any day. I like the CTS, but the lines are too squarish. This one is clean, futuristic looking (especially the back), bigger, cheaper and it rides better.
And about 95% of people (even car enthousiasts like myself) don't go to track days. A comfy car is better for most people than a less comfy car like the CTS. Plus the rear room is terrible in the CTS (i'm 6'2")
Less equipped? Have you looked at the specs for either vehicle? The MKS has Sync and Serius Travel Link, panoramic sunroof, both front seats cooled (standard), rear seats heated, a turbo engine, 600W THX audio vs. Genesis' 500W Lexicon, unique looks, well engineered trunk hinges (versus Genesis' ancient ones), AWD, more adjustable seats plus a badge on the grill. I could go on. But the Genesis doesn't have any of those things. Price match both, the MKS is better any price.
In my opinion, Ford has potential ... with the interior of this car. They should take their Falcon from Down Under and give it a Lincoln body with an interior like this. That would be a winner, especially allied with the new 5.0L V-8.
Yea a 21 year old would know about driving a luxury vehicle. Yes it is a value, do some research, drive it, but then again being your age you probably aren't looking for something senible. Its a v6 with a tech package. Yea the cheap stuff.
I'm sorry, were you saying I don't have experience with luxury cars?
$39k, that's how much your car costs. How does your wife like those A/C seats when you are driving? Oh, wait.
I am sorry, I guess you know more about me than I do, right? I should have expected something so retarded from someone who actually went out and spent $39k on that car...
I can tell that euphoria of owning a new car is gone and you are beginning to see why it seemed like such a good deal.
FWD with a twin turbo engine... that's an option for disaster. I went with a genesis because its RWD and offers alot of value compared to the rest of the bunch.
Well, I can't find any facts to back this, but I was under the impression that eco-boost was only available with AWD.
You actually went with a genesis? I'm sorry.
There it is again, 'value' I think some marketer for Hyundai murmered that word and now it is repeated because you are all a bunch of parrots. I do not understand why you think it has more value for that money. Why are you even here? the car you got is probably basic, therefor not coming close to what the MKs offers.
My biggest problem with the MKS is that they hadn't released the Ecotech engine when they put it out. That's not a big deal now since its March 2009 and the Eco V6 is being released now...but, they shoulda released this car fully ready.
The car's interior is also smaller than I expected. Its not as roomy as a 300c - and nowhere near as powerful.
Its price is also alot higher than the 300SRT8 (loaded) as well as the *GasP* Hyundai Genesis V8 (loaded)
irrelevant... Those cars do not compare. Would you really buy a chrysler or Hyundai over this? I mean really? You would go spend around $40,000 for one of those cars? You can get an MKS for that price, a loaded one which brings it to about 48k will have more features than any Chrysler or Hyundai will have in 10 years, not to mention quality. Now I keep thinking about Chrysler and can't stop laughing. what a joke.
I could say that both a refrigerator and a dresser are roughly the same size, that does not mean they are comparable beyond that measure. Turds and peanut candy bars look alike, one is sweet and the other is shit.
The MKS starts under $40k so get your facts straight. Like I said, a similarly priced MKS is still better regardless.
Also, did the passenger in a Genesis need A/c seats? Hyundai didn't think so. That's standard on the Lincoln. So where else did Hyundai skimp?
Guess what dick, before FORD started having problems, this car started at $41,500 and the Ultimate Package cost $46K
If you are going by MSRP...you're full of shit cause dealers don't sell cars at MSRP depending where you buy.
Furthermore, I personally drive a 300 and an S550 so I am no stranger to full sized sedans. I recognize that these two cars ARE cross shoppable because both are full sized sedans in the $40K - $45K range.
Wow, that's mature. My point is, it does not matter the price or size of the vehicle! Hyundai, GM or Chrysler simply do not offer a vehicle that compares to what this car achieves. Design, quality of build and materials, tech features and even performance set a whole new level. It's the entire package that makes this a great car.
Also, Ford is in better financial shape than Chrysler or GM by a long shot. And, being patriotic and loving America, I would buy an American car over Hyundai.
I've worked in the auto industry for over 5 years now, I know all of these vehicles inside and out.
So, back to what I was saying. You really want to spend $46k on a new car that does nothing new? You could spend the same money on a car (mid-range MKS) that would be better equipped and they actually display their badge rather than hide it.
The MKS is a far better product and value for the money than any of those cars you just listed. They do not compare! And, stop using "shoppable."
I am a fan of the V8, I loved my 97 Mark VIII dearly!
However, Lincoln was smarter than to put a V8 in this car. At first I was against it, but what the eco-boost offers is undeniably incredible. The balance between power and economy is unmatched. It is taking the initiative like this that will take Lincoln to the top. Lincoln would have received so much critacism for a V8 and no one would regocnize the new brand. People would think of it as the same old Lincoln. They are very smart.
The Taurus is basically the same car. For a non-luxury sedan (entry level luxury top end model) they should have the V6 and the Ecoboost in the higher end model.
Its best to have a CHOICE for the MKS, otherwise, not much seperates it from a fully loaded taurus.
There is still quite a bit that seperates the Taurus from the MKS, but you are right they are essentially the same as is the Challenger to the 300 (I think).
Mainly though, as with the leather and many other production materials and methods, Lincoln is advertising subtle luxury for the environmentally conscious. Like I said, a V8 would not give the brand the image they are looking for. I agree a V8 would be nice, but I will be content with the eco-boost. shoulda woulda coulda. who cares?
a v8 is neccessary to attract buyers. There are some buyers who will not buy a car they feel is underpowered. Part of what attracted people to the HEMI was the power. Do you think the chrysler would have been as celebrated if all that was offered was the V6 2.7L and the V6 3.5?
I doubt it. And its the exact same situation.
Hyundai can make a direct challenge Advertisement to the MKS and say its more powerful and offers more for the money and they'd be right.
The Charger and 300 are built on the exact same LX platform and besides body cladding are virtually identical. the Challenger is built on a chopped down platform with a newer suspension and control arms.
The differences between Charger/300 and MKS/Taurus are the same. One is just the cheaper version.
The Taurus doesn't have the quality leather or the quality wood (whatever that's worth) and has a lesser quality color detail in guages and paint.
I simply do not see your point. There is no need for a big V8 when a V6 can get better performance and economy. Today, companies can not afford to appear ignorant because what people want now are clean, sustainable vehicles. They want to actually sell these things. Look at the 300, a majority of its sales are the smaller engines. It is good to have a choice, but they sell so few of the big V8 relative to the V6s. That's what Lincoln is catering to
Yes I agree that they are in the same catagory. That does not mean they compare. Like I said, candy bars and shit.
I also agree that an optional V8 would be nice. But, I would still buy the turbo V6 instead. I just don't see why a V8 is needed when they have this wonderful ecoboost. I guess for the same reason guys who need to compensate drive H2s or BMWs... For those who are secure with themselves, they can appreciate a real car without the ego.
Oh my gosh, the MKS also costs thousands more than the Smart For Two. What I am saying is, someone who is looking for what the MKS has to offer, would never consider the Genesis, 300 or even cadillac. The market for this car is Infiniti, Lexus, Acura, BMW, Mercedes etc... People looking for those cars might find the cheaper better alternative is the Lincoln MKS. If you want to talk about the Genesis, I would say look at the Lincoln MKZ, it's as nice as the MKS, but smaller like a Genesis.
I didn't find the Genesis to be any larger when I drove it. I am talking ofcourse about the 2010 MKZ. I actually prefer the MKZ to the MKS because I like the smaller size, not to mention costing a few thousand less. Even then, I would take a loaded MKZ over a loaded Genesis, 300 etc... Not to open a whole new can of disagreement, but I think the MKZ is a better car for the money than those other cars. I'll take mine with a Sport pack.
Because the MKZ is styled and equipped similarly to the MKS but in a smaller cheaper platform, I think it's one of the best vehicles on the road. Mainly though, at the end of the day after having looked at all other cars, I feel that Ford/Lincoln has the best fit, finish, standard features, options, performance, economy etc... for the price. No other car offers what these cars do for any price let alone a competitive one. It may be my opinion but it's based on something significant anyways.
My uncle bought a MKZ in 2007 as a retirement car. I sat in as a passenger but it seemed to be just as cramped as the Genesis due to the low roofline and the side curtain airbags - and other shit taking up space.
If you really think its Ford/Lincoln/Mercury with best fit and finish, they you are obviously biased for Ford cars.
The MKS has a huge slab of fake looking wood that is real. besides that, its interior is all Taurus.
Damn those standard safety features... They're always taking up space for the sake of safety. Who cares about that?
When the MKZ was first introduced, its interior was award winning. Infact, I believe they compared it to a few benzs.
I am sorry that you own one of those. Why don't you trade it in for a Genesis?
Then again, if I bought a car(benz) for the name, I would think their interior must be good too, right? Personally, I can't stand them. talk about over priced.
My S550 cost more than twice the price of a fucking genesis and I haven't had a single problem with it in the past 2 years. I've got every major feature and I LOVE IT.
The MKZ as far as I remember was never compared with the high end German cars. What I remember was it being ridiculed for being a rebranded "Zephyr".
You loving that car is only proving my point. Do some research and you will find what I was talking about.
Why am I surprised though? Seeing how today's Merc is just a 'fancy' chrysler, ofcourse you would love it. Because, I still can't figure out why the hell you like Chrysler!?!?!
I do not understand you. I could drink PBR all my life, once I taste a "Mirror Pond" (local beer) I'd never go back! Don't make me use the Milkshake - Diarrhea analogy. you know, the other is shit. come on.
Don't say completely untrue things. Daimler owned Chrysler, but NO PART of Mercedes ever used Chrysler parts. They were NOT NOT NOT ever "fancy Chryslers."
Moreover, they split quite a while ago. Sit in one and SEARCH for cheap touches. You simply find it almost impossible. Not so with a Lincoln, and while the Hyundai is excellent, it's still not in the same league. Plus you've never driven one, so you wouldn't understand the unbelievable feel going down the road.
Take your own advice. I have driven all of these cars we are talking about. Just take a look at the new mercs, they look exactly like the sebrings. disgusting. They may have split a while ago, but they were developed a while ago as well. Everything in a Benz feels cheap to me so I do not agree with you and find it very easy.
Believe me, I have driven many many cars and can tell the difference between shit and quality. "feel going down the road" lol...
Why? You know my personal life? I didn't know that you knew so much about me. Wow, it's like talking to that crazy stalker who enrolls in the same courses I am taking in college...
No, you're right. I don't know the bliss one can get from driving a Hyundai (frequently anyways). Why don't you tell me more about it?
I have a story. I bought a fake Rolex in New York. It works well and looks great. It cost $10. The second I spend close to full cost on a knock-off, I will go and buy a Genesis
The beginning of your rant is a bit lame, kid. You should try to stay more on topic with cars rather than get personal.
You have clearly no clue if you call a Daimler AG product a "fancy Chrysler". I've driven plenty, and there's no comparison, leading me to DOUBT you've had a run in a modern Benz.
The Genesis is a knock off, but the MKS isn't? It's a Taurus on 'roids, buddy. Don't try to hate. Chrysler never designed anything for MB either, so that point is moot.
The fact that you have nothing to say about it makes it anything but lame. Also, you made it personal by questioning my credibility. Again, take your own advice (I really hate repeating myself).
The MKS and the Taurus were developed on the same chassis and there are some similarities throughout the interior etc... But that is expected because they are the same company. Hyundai on the otherhand is mocking real cars and they are seen as marvals. Their numbers don't impress me to feel valuable.
You also talked about my opinions on a personal level before I REPLIED BY DOUBTING YOUR EXPERIENCE.
Whatever, that's a worthless thing to argue about. Moving on, styling is just a subjective thing. The Hyundai mocks styling ... and the Lincoln doesn't look unique either. A twin grille? BMW and Pontiac have been at it for a while. Headlamps aren't unique, tails aren't, the basic profile isn't, yadda yadda. The interior thankfully is unique. Even so, V-8!
Do you think before you post these? I really can't follow you. Oh my gosh, it also has four doors too, damn every car for having those! Hyundai doesn't have a design language, they just make something to look like or immitate its competitors. That's all that car is, a cheap immitation with less features for almost the same price. Do you really want to drive a car that doesn't display its badge on the grill? I would have much more respect for that car if it did.
Sometimes I think YOU don't think before you post.
You complain that Hyundai doesn't have a styling language (while Lincoln's is equally a mish-mash of other companies as well), yet that's about your only reason for picking it over the Hyundai.
People debadge almost any car, even luxury models, so that's not really important.
The bare fact is that the Genesis, with its 4.6L and RWD, is a better car AND value than the Lincoln. It's a sound car for the money.
All lincoln models within certain years of each other have similair designs. Look at the new MKZ,MKS,MKT and past vehicles. Hyundai doesn't produce two vehicles that are unique to Hyundai.
That's fine if the customer wants to debadge, but it should come from the factory shining proudly.
Also, that's a very safe thing to say. "sound car" truth is you don't even think it's that great of a car. Think about it, $46K!!! Have you forgotten what that is?
They may look alike but they aren't very unique-looking going down the road.
Even so, like I said, that's the only real knock you have, aside from "badging", which even Astons and Porsches offer a FACTORY debadge option.
The Genesis is great, you can't take that away from it. It's competitive in any way the Lincoln is aside from badge prestige, and in areas like performance, simply trumps the Lincoln. It's not 46K either; it's 42K fully loaded, much less than the MKS with its 275 hp.
I don't know where you are getting this information from but it is wrong. Go to Hyundai's website and tell me how much a loaded Genesis costs.
Also, their debadging is not for the grill. It is for the trunk which is more common. The grill should always have the badge, otherwise it looks like some cheap aftermarket add on.
I have many knocks, but you are right, aside from quality, price, performance, options, standard features and looks, the badge is it.
Quality? It's interior is immaculate, and it doesn't yet have any reliability issues you can complain about. It's 5.5 second 0-60 time and 14.2 quarter is perfectly good performance, much MUCH better than the MKS. You can't get a RWD V-8 luxury sedan other than the 300C for this price (you could buy an MKS with FWD standard, haha). Heaps of features standard ...
I'm beginning to wonder why you're ragging on the car so badly. Extreme bias, man.
The thing is, MKS doesn't push excellent performance which the Hyundai does. It is one thing to be average, but being average when they say it is good is not value. I would expect much better than those numbers out of a V8, that's including the economy.
When VW launched the Pheaton, we weren't certified to work on it. I can only imagine those Hyundai techs working on your $42k car after years of $10k cars.
The other person brought up the Genesis, I am here for the MKS. Why are you here?
And when you're competition stresses performance and you're behind, that's an issue. Name a few full-size 4000+ lb sedans with an auto and up to 375 hp that are quicker. If there's one, that's totally different than having several, and there aren't several. The economy tops the new "EcoBoost" MKS. Again, find me like products that are better, and you can't name one, and two is pushing it.
I'm here for the MKS. I like it. I like the Gen better, but I like this too.
I am not going to argue that the MKS has better performance than most. Ultimately, it isn't bad and that is all it really needs to not take away from everywhere else that this car exceeds in.
If you think the Genesis is better, that's your oppinion and you should have it.
Personally, I disagree that the Genesis is a better car or has better value. It might have a V8 and RWD, but I think Hyundai could have made a genuine car for their same efforts. I just don't like it.
True, it would be amazing if they could offer the ecoboost for that price. But, as I have heard on this video and other sources, the ecoboost is only going to be a few hundred (less than a thousand) more. I only hope they put that same engine in the MKZ because that is the car that I have my eye on.
I guess it depends on how you drive, but I rarely drive with my foot down and therefor see performance solely as bragging rights. Even a Prius can go 70 Mph, any more than that is asking for it.
does gm not build the cts anymore? LOL personally I don't Kno anyone anyone who would want a car like this over another Such as the cts or any of it's rivals. It's not that it's a value issue, it's just rather bland I think. ESP in performance
I would easily take one of these over any taxpayer-financed Garbage Motors (GM) product.
TurboFuss1 2 days ago
I love how eveyone is dissing on this car when it looks the same as anycar of 2011 or 2012
Jessica14152 1 week ago
The Lincoln brand is dead if this MKS is the best it can do. At least in an old Town Car it feels, looks, and drives like a luxury american vehicle (which is a totally different experience from german or jap luxury cars so don't go there). The MKS is nothing but an expensive Ford Taurus. No wonder so many people are keeping or buying old Town Cars so they can have a REAL Lincoln in their driveway..not this poor replacement.
Nightbird 1 month ago
learn shit before you comment on the video
113mlb 4 months ago
the new chrysler 300 beats this in every way. even looks.
cardude1992 6 months ago
@cardude1992 The fact that you would think a Chrysler can beat anything..especially when it comes to quality..is laughable. Chrysler quality is the worst of all american car brands. Which is why their vehicles depreciate so much. Everyone who knows cars or at least reads the quality surveys knows what junk they are. This is why you see so many 300's in the ghetto..they are cheap to get and totally disposable plastic boxes on wheels.
Get a clue bud.
Nightbird 1 month ago
@Nightbird they used to be horrible but now they are putting out good new products with massive help from fiat. that is why new 300 is so much better than the previous 300
cardude1992 1 month ago
@cardude1992 I hope your right..but that still doesn't help you when the car depreciates so much due to bad quality surveys & public perception..which means you lose out when it's time to trade it in. Also..these new Chryslers are too new to really know if the quality is there for the long haul..because any car is ok during the first year of ownership.
That's too much of a risk for me..but if your ok with that good luck with it. =)
Nightbird 1 month ago
@Nightbird also is there any other large rwd american family sedan other than the charger and 300 anymore? no. fords and lincoln and the new large caddy are fwd cars. non of them have the attitude of the 300 and charger. the new 300 got great reviews from british top gear as well whick means its the first chrysler they recommend buying lol
cardude1992 1 month ago
@cardude1992 The new Dodge Dart is based off an Alfa Romeo and will blow the doors off any competitor like the Corolla, Civic, and GM (aka Communist Motors) Cruze.
TurboFuss1 2 days ago
This reviewer only discusses the pros of a touchscreen. The disadvantage is that first off, it gets smudged with your fingerprints. And over the long term, the screen can become delaminated.
jumboJetPilot 11 months ago
Good review, but I think you need to consider a different way to review cars that have Sync. The hardware in sync equiped cars doesnt even scratch the potential. There is nothing innovative about the sync implementation other than maybe the voice control. there isn't a car out there right now that meets the needs of the Web 2.0 gen. $3000 is an absolute rip off. Do you have any idea what kind of carputer you could install from that money? And that's with no economies of scale.
fireworkstube 1 year ago
I'd take this over the CTS any day. I like the CTS, but the lines are too squarish. This one is clean, futuristic looking (especially the back), bigger, cheaper and it rides better.
And about 95% of people (even car enthousiasts like myself) don't go to track days. A comfy car is better for most people than a less comfy car like the CTS. Plus the rear room is terrible in the CTS (i'm 6'2")
Waffleater1 1 year ago
@Waffleater1 its not exactly cheaper but yeah its awesome
refresh967 1 year ago
so what this video is saying is, dont buy this car
dunemoonbeam 2 years ago
i like the looks and its rly well equiped!
t0rq21 2 years ago 2
it's too bad it can't read video movies files from a hard drive instead of playing on the dvd.
DJTEVAdotCOM 2 years ago
This car is good except for the grille and the suspension however it is comftable.
quatlen 2 years ago
Does anyone think it is better then a cts? I don't at all I'm just curious
slipperyduece 2 years ago
more expemsive and less equipped then a genesis.. i dont get it lol..and slower
slipperyduece 2 years ago
Less equipped? Have you looked at the specs for either vehicle? The MKS has Sync and Serius Travel Link, panoramic sunroof, both front seats cooled (standard), rear seats heated, a turbo engine, 600W THX audio vs. Genesis' 500W Lexicon, unique looks, well engineered trunk hinges (versus Genesis' ancient ones), AWD, more adjustable seats plus a badge on the grill. I could go on. But the Genesis doesn't have any of those things. Price match both, the MKS is better any price.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
In my opinion, Ford has potential ... with the interior of this car. They should take their Falcon from Down Under and give it a Lincoln body with an interior like this. That would be a winner, especially allied with the new 5.0L V-8.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
Are these things selling good because I have seen two since they came out.
tyIerz06 2 years ago
Yea a 21 year old would know about driving a luxury vehicle. Yes it is a value, do some research, drive it, but then again being your age you probably aren't looking for something senible. Its a v6 with a tech package. Yea the cheap stuff.
biscuitninja 2 years ago
I'm sorry, were you saying I don't have experience with luxury cars?
$39k, that's how much your car costs. How does your wife like those A/C seats when you are driving? Oh, wait.
I am sorry, I guess you know more about me than I do, right? I should have expected something so retarded from someone who actually went out and spent $39k on that car...
I can tell that euphoria of owning a new car is gone and you are beginning to see why it seemed like such a good deal.
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SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
FWD with a twin turbo engine... that's an option for disaster. I went with a genesis because its RWD and offers alot of value compared to the rest of the bunch.
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Well, I can't find any facts to back this, but I was under the impression that eco-boost was only available with AWD.
You actually went with a genesis? I'm sorry.
There it is again, 'value' I think some marketer for Hyundai murmered that word and now it is repeated because you are all a bunch of parrots. I do not understand why you think it has more value for that money. Why are you even here? the car you got is probably basic, therefor not coming close to what the MKs offers.
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SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
This is an excellent Review.
My biggest problem with the MKS is that they hadn't released the Ecotech engine when they put it out. That's not a big deal now since its March 2009 and the Eco V6 is being released now...but, they shoulda released this car fully ready.
The car's interior is also smaller than I expected. Its not as roomy as a 300c - and nowhere near as powerful.
Its price is also alot higher than the 300SRT8 (loaded) as well as the *GasP* Hyundai Genesis V8 (loaded)
whitecollarcriminal 3 years ago
irrelevant... Those cars do not compare. Would you really buy a chrysler or Hyundai over this? I mean really? You would go spend around $40,000 for one of those cars? You can get an MKS for that price, a loaded one which brings it to about 48k will have more features than any Chrysler or Hyundai will have in 10 years, not to mention quality. Now I keep thinking about Chrysler and can't stop laughing. what a joke.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
You say they don't compare, I say they do.
All three are full sized cars.
Two out of the 3 offer big V8 engines.
All three cost slightly over $40,000 (base).
The MKS costs $50,000 when you load it wherin the Genesis is around $46K. However, the Genesis does offer more bang for the buck.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
I could say that both a refrigerator and a dresser are roughly the same size, that does not mean they are comparable beyond that measure. Turds and peanut candy bars look alike, one is sweet and the other is shit.
The MKS starts under $40k so get your facts straight. Like I said, a similarly priced MKS is still better regardless.
Also, did the passenger in a Genesis need A/c seats? Hyundai didn't think so. That's standard on the Lincoln. So where else did Hyundai skimp?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Guess what dick, before FORD started having problems, this car started at $41,500 and the Ultimate Package cost $46K
If you are going by MSRP...you're full of shit cause dealers don't sell cars at MSRP depending where you buy.
Furthermore, I personally drive a 300 and an S550 so I am no stranger to full sized sedans. I recognize that these two cars ARE cross shoppable because both are full sized sedans in the $40K - $45K range.
so don't bring up fridges and fucking dressers.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
Wow, that's mature. My point is, it does not matter the price or size of the vehicle! Hyundai, GM or Chrysler simply do not offer a vehicle that compares to what this car achieves. Design, quality of build and materials, tech features and even performance set a whole new level. It's the entire package that makes this a great car.
Also, Ford is in better financial shape than Chrysler or GM by a long shot. And, being patriotic and loving America, I would buy an American car over Hyundai.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
WOW - I don't think you've evern driven all of these cars.
The Genesis does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW - except...
...cost less...
THAT'S IT.
If an MKS' price or an STS's price was brought down to the exact same as the Genesis, BOTH OF THEM would be better cars.
For example, what if you did a survey which car people would take if all the cars had the same price...
Genesis, STS, MKS, Volkswagon CC (yes it too is cross shoppable) and E-class
I guarrantee no one is taking Genesis.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
I've worked in the auto industry for over 5 years now, I know all of these vehicles inside and out.
So, back to what I was saying. You really want to spend $46k on a new car that does nothing new? You could spend the same money on a car (mid-range MKS) that would be better equipped and they actually display their badge rather than hide it.
The MKS is a far better product and value for the money than any of those cars you just listed. They do not compare! And, stop using "shoppable."
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
I disagree. They shoulda offered a V8
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
I am a fan of the V8, I loved my 97 Mark VIII dearly!
However, Lincoln was smarter than to put a V8 in this car. At first I was against it, but what the eco-boost offers is undeniably incredible. The balance between power and economy is unmatched. It is taking the initiative like this that will take Lincoln to the top. Lincoln would have received so much critacism for a V8 and no one would regocnize the new brand. People would think of it as the same old Lincoln. They are very smart.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
I don't believe that. The V8 in the LS could have been refined and made into a fuel efficient V8 - just like Hyundai's Tau.
The MKS is underpowered for its price. Period. The two choices should be Ecoboost V6 and a V8 that takes regular unleaded up to premium/flexfuel.
Any car buyer shopping for a $45,000 full sized luxury sedan shouldn't be worried about fuel economy if its at least 18/24
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
The Taurus is basically the same car. For a non-luxury sedan (entry level luxury top end model) they should have the V6 and the Ecoboost in the higher end model.
Its best to have a CHOICE for the MKS, otherwise, not much seperates it from a fully loaded taurus.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
There is still quite a bit that seperates the Taurus from the MKS, but you are right they are essentially the same as is the Challenger to the 300 (I think).
Mainly though, as with the leather and many other production materials and methods, Lincoln is advertising subtle luxury for the environmentally conscious. Like I said, a V8 would not give the brand the image they are looking for. I agree a V8 would be nice, but I will be content with the eco-boost. shoulda woulda coulda. who cares?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
a v8 is neccessary to attract buyers. There are some buyers who will not buy a car they feel is underpowered. Part of what attracted people to the HEMI was the power. Do you think the chrysler would have been as celebrated if all that was offered was the V6 2.7L and the V6 3.5?
I doubt it. And its the exact same situation.
Hyundai can make a direct challenge Advertisement to the MKS and say its more powerful and offers more for the money and they'd be right.
And that sucks.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
The Charger and 300 are built on the exact same LX platform and besides body cladding are virtually identical. the Challenger is built on a chopped down platform with a newer suspension and control arms.
The differences between Charger/300 and MKS/Taurus are the same. One is just the cheaper version.
The Taurus doesn't have the quality leather or the quality wood (whatever that's worth) and has a lesser quality color detail in guages and paint.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
Yeah, I had challenger and Charger mixed up.
I simply do not see your point. There is no need for a big V8 when a V6 can get better performance and economy. Today, companies can not afford to appear ignorant because what people want now are clean, sustainable vehicles. They want to actually sell these things. Look at the 300, a majority of its sales are the smaller engines. It is good to have a choice, but they sell so few of the big V8 relative to the V6s. That's what Lincoln is catering to
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
The 300 is a cheap car that is offered in expensive trims...namely the HEMI engines.
But regardless, my point still stands, the MKS and the Genesis are in the same category and Ford should have had a V8 optional.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
Yes I agree that they are in the same catagory. That does not mean they compare. Like I said, candy bars and shit.
I also agree that an optional V8 would be nice. But, I would still buy the turbo V6 instead. I just don't see why a V8 is needed when they have this wonderful ecoboost. I guess for the same reason guys who need to compensate drive H2s or BMWs... For those who are secure with themselves, they can appreciate a real car without the ego.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
you sound like my Uncles who are virulently anti Asian-car because their father worked for Ford.
Yes The Genesis and the MKS do compare. The MKs V6 ecoboost costs thousands more than the Genesis V6 technology package.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
Oh my gosh, the MKS also costs thousands more than the Smart For Two. What I am saying is, someone who is looking for what the MKS has to offer, would never consider the Genesis, 300 or even cadillac. The market for this car is Infiniti, Lexus, Acura, BMW, Mercedes etc... People looking for those cars might find the cheaper better alternative is the Lincoln MKS. If you want to talk about the Genesis, I would say look at the Lincoln MKZ, it's as nice as the MKS, but smaller like a Genesis.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
LOL NO WAY.
The MKZ is a different class of car. Its a mid sized Executive 4-door sedan.
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
I didn't find the Genesis to be any larger when I drove it. I am talking ofcourse about the 2010 MKZ. I actually prefer the MKZ to the MKS because I like the smaller size, not to mention costing a few thousand less. Even then, I would take a loaded MKZ over a loaded Genesis, 300 etc... Not to open a whole new can of disagreement, but I think the MKZ is a better car for the money than those other cars. I'll take mine with a Sport pack.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
what makes it better?
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
Because the MKZ is styled and equipped similarly to the MKS but in a smaller cheaper platform, I think it's one of the best vehicles on the road. Mainly though, at the end of the day after having looked at all other cars, I feel that Ford/Lincoln has the best fit, finish, standard features, options, performance, economy etc... for the price. No other car offers what these cars do for any price let alone a competitive one. It may be my opinion but it's based on something significant anyways.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
My uncle bought a MKZ in 2007 as a retirement car. I sat in as a passenger but it seemed to be just as cramped as the Genesis due to the low roofline and the side curtain airbags - and other shit taking up space.
If you really think its Ford/Lincoln/Mercury with best fit and finish, they you are obviously biased for Ford cars.
The MKS has a huge slab of fake looking wood that is real. besides that, its interior is all Taurus.
They should make it look like my S550
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
Damn those standard safety features... They're always taking up space for the sake of safety. Who cares about that?
When the MKZ was first introduced, its interior was award winning. Infact, I believe they compared it to a few benzs.
I am sorry that you own one of those. Why don't you trade it in for a Genesis?
Then again, if I bought a car(benz) for the name, I would think their interior must be good too, right? Personally, I can't stand them. talk about over priced.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
OH MY GOD YOU DID NOT SAY THAT.
My S550 cost more than twice the price of a fucking genesis and I haven't had a single problem with it in the past 2 years. I've got every major feature and I LOVE IT.
The MKZ as far as I remember was never compared with the high end German cars. What I remember was it being ridiculed for being a rebranded "Zephyr".
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
My S-class is made with more quality than any Lincoln will ever be.
In fact, I can look at an older S-class and find more quality than any current lincon.
With the eception of the S500 (which was a poor attempt at building a better car than BMW745 and gave Benz its bad name)
whitecollarcriminal 2 years ago
You loving that car is only proving my point. Do some research and you will find what I was talking about.
Why am I surprised though? Seeing how today's Merc is just a 'fancy' chrysler, ofcourse you would love it. Because, I still can't figure out why the hell you like Chrysler!?!?!
I do not understand you. I could drink PBR all my life, once I taste a "Mirror Pond" (local beer) I'd never go back! Don't make me use the Milkshake - Diarrhea analogy. you know, the other is shit. come on.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Don't say completely untrue things. Daimler owned Chrysler, but NO PART of Mercedes ever used Chrysler parts. They were NOT NOT NOT ever "fancy Chryslers."
Moreover, they split quite a while ago. Sit in one and SEARCH for cheap touches. You simply find it almost impossible. Not so with a Lincoln, and while the Hyundai is excellent, it's still not in the same league. Plus you've never driven one, so you wouldn't understand the unbelievable feel going down the road.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
Have you read the previous posts???
Take your own advice. I have driven all of these cars we are talking about. Just take a look at the new mercs, they look exactly like the sebrings. disgusting. They may have split a while ago, but they were developed a while ago as well. Everything in a Benz feels cheap to me so I do not agree with you and find it very easy.
Believe me, I have driven many many cars and can tell the difference between shit and quality. "feel going down the road" lol...
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Beyond doubtful.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
Why? You know my personal life? I didn't know that you knew so much about me. Wow, it's like talking to that crazy stalker who enrolls in the same courses I am taking in college...
No, you're right. I don't know the bliss one can get from driving a Hyundai (frequently anyways). Why don't you tell me more about it?
I have a story. I bought a fake Rolex in New York. It works well and looks great. It cost $10. The second I spend close to full cost on a knock-off, I will go and buy a Genesis
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
The beginning of your rant is a bit lame, kid. You should try to stay more on topic with cars rather than get personal.
You have clearly no clue if you call a Daimler AG product a "fancy Chrysler". I've driven plenty, and there's no comparison, leading me to DOUBT you've had a run in a modern Benz.
The Genesis is a knock off, but the MKS isn't? It's a Taurus on 'roids, buddy. Don't try to hate. Chrysler never designed anything for MB either, so that point is moot.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
The fact that you have nothing to say about it makes it anything but lame. Also, you made it personal by questioning my credibility. Again, take your own advice (I really hate repeating myself).
The MKS and the Taurus were developed on the same chassis and there are some similarities throughout the interior etc... But that is expected because they are the same company. Hyundai on the otherhand is mocking real cars and they are seen as marvals. Their numbers don't impress me to feel valuable.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Nothing to say about what?
You also talked about my opinions on a personal level before I REPLIED BY DOUBTING YOUR EXPERIENCE.
Whatever, that's a worthless thing to argue about. Moving on, styling is just a subjective thing. The Hyundai mocks styling ... and the Lincoln doesn't look unique either. A twin grille? BMW and Pontiac have been at it for a while. Headlamps aren't unique, tails aren't, the basic profile isn't, yadda yadda. The interior thankfully is unique. Even so, V-8!
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
Arguing with you is wortheless.
Do you think before you post these? I really can't follow you. Oh my gosh, it also has four doors too, damn every car for having those! Hyundai doesn't have a design language, they just make something to look like or immitate its competitors. That's all that car is, a cheap immitation with less features for almost the same price. Do you really want to drive a car that doesn't display its badge on the grill? I would have much more respect for that car if it did.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Sometimes I think YOU don't think before you post.
You complain that Hyundai doesn't have a styling language (while Lincoln's is equally a mish-mash of other companies as well), yet that's about your only reason for picking it over the Hyundai.
People debadge almost any car, even luxury models, so that's not really important.
The bare fact is that the Genesis, with its 4.6L and RWD, is a better car AND value than the Lincoln. It's a sound car for the money.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
That is not true!
All lincoln models within certain years of each other have similair designs. Look at the new MKZ,MKS,MKT and past vehicles. Hyundai doesn't produce two vehicles that are unique to Hyundai.
That's fine if the customer wants to debadge, but it should come from the factory shining proudly.
Also, that's a very safe thing to say. "sound car" truth is you don't even think it's that great of a car. Think about it, $46K!!! Have you forgotten what that is?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
They may look alike but they aren't very unique-looking going down the road.
Even so, like I said, that's the only real knock you have, aside from "badging", which even Astons and Porsches offer a FACTORY debadge option.
The Genesis is great, you can't take that away from it. It's competitive in any way the Lincoln is aside from badge prestige, and in areas like performance, simply trumps the Lincoln. It's not 46K either; it's 42K fully loaded, much less than the MKS with its 275 hp.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
You are soo wrong!
I don't know where you are getting this information from but it is wrong. Go to Hyundai's website and tell me how much a loaded Genesis costs.
Also, their debadging is not for the grill. It is for the trunk which is more common. The grill should always have the badge, otherwise it looks like some cheap aftermarket add on.
I have many knocks, but you are right, aside from quality, price, performance, options, standard features and looks, the badge is it.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Area code- 55344
Price- $41,250
Quality? It's interior is immaculate, and it doesn't yet have any reliability issues you can complain about. It's 5.5 second 0-60 time and 14.2 quarter is perfectly good performance, much MUCH better than the MKS. You can't get a RWD V-8 luxury sedan other than the 300C for this price (you could buy an MKS with FWD standard, haha). Heaps of features standard ...
I'm beginning to wonder why you're ragging on the car so badly. Extreme bias, man.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
The thing is, MKS doesn't push excellent performance which the Hyundai does. It is one thing to be average, but being average when they say it is good is not value. I would expect much better than those numbers out of a V8, that's including the economy.
When VW launched the Pheaton, we weren't certified to work on it. I can only imagine those Hyundai techs working on your $42k car after years of $10k cars.
The other person brought up the Genesis, I am here for the MKS. Why are you here?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
And when you're competition stresses performance and you're behind, that's an issue. Name a few full-size 4000+ lb sedans with an auto and up to 375 hp that are quicker. If there's one, that's totally different than having several, and there aren't several. The economy tops the new "EcoBoost" MKS. Again, find me like products that are better, and you can't name one, and two is pushing it.
I'm here for the MKS. I like it. I like the Gen better, but I like this too.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
I am not going to argue that the MKS has better performance than most. Ultimately, it isn't bad and that is all it really needs to not take away from everywhere else that this car exceeds in.
If you think the Genesis is better, that's your oppinion and you should have it.
Personally, I disagree that the Genesis is a better car or has better value. It might have a V8 and RWD, but I think Hyundai could have made a genuine car for their same efforts. I just don't like it.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Lincoln would've had it if they had the EcoBoost for the 3.7L's price.
As it stands, 0-60 in 7.5 doesn't cut it in almost any crowd of luxury products anymore.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
True, it would be amazing if they could offer the ecoboost for that price. But, as I have heard on this video and other sources, the ecoboost is only going to be a few hundred (less than a thousand) more. I only hope they put that same engine in the MKZ because that is the car that I have my eye on.
I guess it depends on how you drive, but I rarely drive with my foot down and therefor see performance solely as bragging rights. Even a Prius can go 70 Mph, any more than that is asking for it.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
I believe I read from a few sites the EcoBoost would start at about 46K.
But passing power on the highway requires big juice from cars this heavy.
We'll just have to see how it all works out.
TheNewMrCool 2 years ago
does gm not build the cts anymore? LOL personally I don't Kno anyone anyone who would want a car like this over another Such as the cts or any of it's rivals. It's not that it's a value issue, it's just rather bland I think. ESP in performance
slipperyduece 2 years ago
Yes GM still builds the CTS, and Lincoln still builds the MKZ... So, who would want the CTS?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
I'd take the cts but i'd take the mks over the dts or sts any day.
quatlen 2 years ago