People Search for Meaning, Playing the Game of Life, Helping

[akash94350]

so if war is helping the oil company making money by killing and destroying millions of humans and families and not to mention environment and properties,how can war be something helpful ?

[vidaregaaende]

good points.

[redstormer75]

Thanks for creating a new point of view for me

[xJaysrox]

thank you very much for trying to help us :) everything you say makes perfect sense, me and probably most of us never thought about it the way you explained.

[ScottMana]

You may find that criminals break this cycle of help and are not able to list the two way flow of help in all area of their lives. Mainly in the area they criminal in. It can be amazing to see what happens when you you get them to start listing it. I have done it to amazing results.

This also tells you how a criminal is made.

[yahoopig]

A criminal is someone who deliberately breaks the law

[bobsully]

Yes, there are actions against humanity provide no direct benefit or help. But I understand what you are saying, the outlook is a positive one.

[markae0]

I meant "If no one profited from war, I don't think we would have war."

But I strongly disagree with ZeroSky, most people have to WANT to be helped, otherwise it is not help if something is forced apon them.

[psychetruth]

One type of help is aiding the survival of something. Another definition is contributing to what someone wants or is already doing. So if someone was trying to kill themselves and you handed them the gun, they would consider it help although it doesn't aid their survival. Similarly if someone wanted to starve to death and you force fed them, they wouldn't consider that you were helping them even though you were aiding their survival.

[psychetruth]

So you have two basic definitions for help "aiding someone's or somethings survival" or "contributing to what someone or something is trying to do" The two definitions don't always apply in each situation. Although they often examples help do fit both definitions such as loaning someone money so they can eat lunch, it both aids their survival and contributes to what they are doing or want to do; i.e. eat.

[markae0]

I was thinking of psychiatric help. Being jailed and drugged, but doing nothing unlawful to justify forced help.

[markae0]

Sports is ritualized warfare. Humans like to wage war. Most technologic improvement comes from war, to better kill your enemy you invent something better than what your enemy has. bow and arrow to guns. Balloon to observe the battlefeild, while the enemy doesn't know whats going on. then planes to kill from a distance, tanks(horseless carriage) to kill, radio to tranfer information on the plans of killing, radar to see your enemy, the list is endless.

[psychetruth]

Someone always benefits from war as well. Technical advances for one thing as you mentioned. Look at how much money the oil companies have made off of the recent wars in the middle east, not to mention the pharmaceutical industry and weapon manufactures. I think most modern war is motivated by money actually. If no one profited from war, I don't think we would have war.

[ZeroSky]

Now that, is truth. It also makes me consider if the opposite is true then. Does everything harm someone in some way? Can that same one spec of dust hurt somebody as well? Somebody with allergies, yes? Hmm that's a bit cynical, but I can't really argue against it.

[psychetruth]

You are correct. What is good for the hunter isn't good for the deer. I think all actions have a relative amount of help and harm. It's when help far out weights the harm that we say something is a good action & when the harm far out weights the help that we call something evil. Still I can look around the room and see many things that aren't harming anyone and most things obviously help someone.

[ZeroSky]

That really brings more light to your idea that the world would stand still if someone cannot be helped. If they cannot be helped, then they cannot be harmed, and that would mean they are some other entity other than human, if anything. The key thing to note, all people can be helped in some way, just as we would all agree that all people can be harmed in some way.

[markae0]

I agree 100% with this.

[markae0]

what does my diry floor help me with?

[psychetruth]

The questions wasn't "find something that doesn't help you" it was "find something that doesn't help anyone in anyway". The electricity company, the vacuum manufacturer, it's employees and the retail outlet all benefit from your dust.

[TJay9000]

This is genius! 5* again :)

[theredpill99]

astroglide helps me jerk off...ok, criminal justice system was originally set up to keep order but now it just makes sure that those in power stay in power because they keep coming up with more ridiculous laws every year...