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@tercelkisor I beg to differ but psalm 74 refers (9) to WE not seeing any prophet and (1) US being cast off forever.
Also you will see that while (mat22) Jesus refers to DAvid speaking ON THAT OCCASION "in the spirit" the psalms are often about pretty obviously prayers TO God not BY Him.
90:3 You turn us back to dust and say turn back you mortals
92:4 ..have made me glad by YOUR work (not 'our" or 'My" work)
101:2 I will study the way that is blameless when shall I attain it?
@shortwavejones the greek word is "theópneustos." the definition is "god-breathed." it refers to the origin of the scriptures. beyond this glaring, undeniable, evidence, the concept of the sovereignty of god proves it. god didnt see david writing and say after the fact, "oh, thats good. i call dibs on that psalm." it says also that christ is the word. his nature and character is what is spoken in the scriptures.
@tercelkisor The sovereign nature of God has little to do with the matter of who gave the law on divorce-are you saying that God changed his mind?Or that Jesus differing in opinion from God?Thats clearly not so leaving only the option that David was writing prayers and visions both AS himself and FOR himself.
ALL things a man writes in accordance with Gods will are "inspired" or even "breathed" by Him BUT thats NOT the same as saying that God was "speaking as Himself" in the psalms.
@shortwavejones no.. divorce was never permitted except because of the hardness of the hearts of the isrealites. jesus said that. i didnt say that god was speaking as himself. though, in a sense, its true. i did not say that david wasnt writing as himself. the truth that god said the words of scripture does not diminish the fact that david said it himself. thats a false assumption. its not different than the truth that god killed christ and that the jews killed christ. they are both true.
@shortwavejones and the sovereign nature of god, along with every one of his attributes, has everything to do with everything. we interpret every truth, every word, every action or inaction by the nature and character of god.
your argument is like that of a child that picks apart words, completely missing the meaning. david physically wrote the words, he even formulated them in his own mind. that is true. the bible says that what was happening when david was writing was god talking. it was god breathing his own character and nature into words. come on bro. you have got to see that.
@tercelkisor Hate to differ but without the words to pick apart then there is no message, its rather the point. WHERE do you get the idea that the Psalms were Jesus's words?I would assume FROM PICKING APART THE WORDS you read.
The argument given in this vid picks words apart in a most un-convincing manner, so perhaps you can provide a better argument.
Seriously, are you saying that God dictated ALL the books personally?
Mark10:5
"...hearts were hard that MOSES wrote you this law" says Jesus
everyone should do themselves a favor and never pay any attention to andrew bain at all. arguing with him encourages him, its the fuel to his fire, dissension is the reason his ministry exists.(romans 16:17) tells us to stay away from these type of people "such people are not serving the Lord but their own appetite.he has been doing this for a long time and he has been warned many times.he is not gonna repent for his ministry.may God help him.just pray for andrew theirs nothing more we can do
Hmm, I do believe the Psalms, as the other books of the Bible, were inspired by God (otherwise they wouldn't be included in the Old Testament), but they were not necessarily "objective", in the sense that king David wrote them from his own point of view. They were songs in which he poured out his heart before God, his joy and adoration, his fear and sorrow over things that troubled him, his guilt after the Urie incident, and most of all his faith and firm decision to keep relying on God's will.
You get more attention than you deserve. Some nerve - you think nothing of besmirching CS Lewis, one of our eminent and far-thinking theologians, by attributing to him such a video title - tantamount to an accusation. In doing so you slander him and defy God's Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. It is you not CS Lewis who has ridiculed the Bible, bringing an offense against his good name.
well , by the example of Jesus, we see Him praying the Psalms from the cross.
The revelation of God is progressive and that means that Christian read the Psalms in the light of the revelation of Jesus. Historically we have allegorized the Psalms that are not in accord with what we now know of the love of God. To love is to sacrifice and God in Jesus Christ showed us His great love for mankind. For that I am very thankful.
Like I quoted about infallability, I'm sure not! It's getting late and I made another goof while trying to make fun of myself! The last quote should be "no matter who" vs. "not matter who."
I've been an editor for several years and in that capacity I discovered another "Deep Spiritual Truth." In a book of funny newspaper mistakes I found "After a nation wide self-study among major newspapers, it was found that most newspaper errors were due to sloopy proofreading." Yes, "sloopy." Lol!
Here's something that many commenters, including me, had better keep in mind: According to Galations 5:22 anger, judgmentalism, and self-righteousness are NOT listed among the fruit(s) of the Spirit.
From a wise friend who prefers to remain anonymous:
"Nothing pays off like restraint of pen and tongue."
And:
"It is ever so hard to believe that any human beings, not matter who, are able to be infallible about anything."
Cont: Mr. Bain says the psalmists' words are actually Christ's. Curious indeed when one reads Psalm 32:5. "I made my sin known to you, did not conceal my guilt. I said, 'I shall confess my offence to Yahweh.' And you, for your part, took away my guilt, forgave my sin."
When the Spirit led me to texts that challenged my beliefs, I humbly allowed them to change me. Instead of a life of intellectual idolatry - I discovered a life of humble service and a deep sense of His approval.
Mr. Bain is an idolator - his faith is in what he believes. Only in the Modern Period did the traditional faith-as-humility-and-service morph into faith-as-intellectual assent to a set of propositoins. Paul said "I know whom I have believed." It took years of pondering that to cure me of my old faith-in-what-I-believed. Just like Mr. Bain I engaged in all sorts of intellectual gymnastics to explain away the plain reading of vast portions of the Bible that didn't fit what I had been taught.
You KNOW that Christ is the "only" speaker in the Psalms? What "proof texts" prove that? The psalms were used in the Temply worship and (later) in the synagogues, both of which were locales where Jesus worshipped too. Your thoughts are fanciful. CS Lewis doesn't look down his nose at the psalmists. He applauds their indignation at evil and marvels that God is open to us in our anger. God accepts the "hateful" words of the impreccatory psalms in the same way he accepts Job's ravings.
So another cool aid drinking Christian describing that which he has no grasp of. There are a lot of assumptions treated here as fact but I think that many, thos pious adherants, fail to recognise them. Of course, then it is easy to suspend the mind, when a comfortable lie is presented before one. And one who says, "a comfortable lie!?" Well then to you I will say to delve deeper and to not clinge to "because it is written" for it is the answer of fools and those of weak and dependent minds.
cs lewis used witchcraft to teach bible stories? that is blasphemy...witchcraft is an abomination to God...also he uses images for his stories that are pagan idols...be ye not fooled, God is not mocked.....be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness...come out from among them and be ye seperate and holy...how can we be holy if we mix sin with God's Word....shame on America...God save America
Andrew, you mean well, but your anxiety is misplaced. The Bible is not the Word as Christ is the Word. The writers of the Psalms at no time understood themselves to be oracles of God. Further, the Psalms can only be understood as the works of honest believers doing their best to wrestle things out with God. When one says, "I have been young, and am now old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed wanting bread," the writer can't even be taken seriously at face value.
I am reading " Mere Christanity " by C S Lewis. I am growing in my faith as I am reading this book. I don't agree with you. Please read this book with an open heart. and it will clear all your misunderstanding.
I take some of the psalms as expressions of the psalmist's own honesty before God: he was being honest, not good. EG Blessed he who bashes the heads of babylonian babies on a rock.
i am encouraged of this as showing that if i am in despair someone else has been there. i can cry out to God without pious platitude and be heard, even if I tell God that there are preachers who i hate and would see damned
Not all the psalms are the words of christ himself. HONEST prayer is what it is about
really? this is your argument? Can you read hebrew? Can you read the Hebrew Masoretic documents, parsing syntax and speaker voice to determine this? I'm assuming you can't, otherwise I wouldn't be so insulted at how poor your argument/scholarship is. The heretical Jesus Seminar has better scholarship than this. That is I'm assuming that they opened up a book to read it before making their claims, however poor and inaccurate. Your foolish pride is out of control. you must repent. period.
Psalms are not meant just to get Gods truth from. They are meant to be interpreted as coventant.....a two way street. We are to wrestle with them. Talk to God about them. Talk to each other about them and determine their meaning to us in our relationship with God. There is no dount some of the attitudes of the Psalms have sinful attitudes expressed. Sins are recorded in other books of the Bible too.
@Cihl280777 Well the God of the Hebrews and of the Christians is a more personal God who is interested in us personaly. I am not sure how true that is in Buddist thought. God wants to communicate with us and does through the Sacred Scriptures, through his interaction with the Hebrew Nation, and more recently throught the life of Jesus Christ. All Christians believe he communicates with us, but we differ somewhat in the nature of the communication. I am not sure the the
what???? you make no cents to me...you are ignorant of gods power and possibly you would not no his power IF it hit you like a max truck...!!! you are playing samanitcs with words......
I feel that the point that CSLewis makes in all his writing is missed here. I am not convinced that the psalms are Christ speaking. Man is speaking; the sinner is speaking. the Lord is addressed too much the be the words of Jesus. And if he is speaking, he is speaking for the sinner, as he took on our sins on the cross.
If anyone is interested in C.S. Lewis's view of sacred scripture.....you might want to read Micheal Christensen's "C.S. Lewis on Scripture. The video we are listening to is not overly helpful.
If you have something serious to share, please share it in a serious way, especially as regards your video titles. Many of your titles are worthy of a troll only.
Perhaps one day our kind will become sufficiently mature to face the day without need of magical glasses. The realm of the imagination and the realm of the supernatural are one and the same. How easy we dismiss all the hundreds of "Gods" worshiped by thousands of tribes over countless generations as myth, all imaginary except the "God" of the ancient Hebrew. YHWH commanded Abraham saw off the end of his penis and become leader of the self proclaimed chosen people. Anyone see a problem here?
I don't. Just think a sec: How many religions have made it through all the changes of the Earth? Wicca? Nope, just a couple thousand. LaVey? nah, not around that long, has it? Buddhisim? Proabably not, when was Buddha born? Evolutionists? When was Charles Darwin? Mormon? The State of New York, in a woodland grove, April 6, 1830. Only one has lasted that long and MADE IT... Christanity. You've probably guessed, but I'm a Christian.
@Taggerung12 ....I Agree.....All of C.S. Lewis is an attempt to make a subtle mockery of the bible. Luciferians thrive on this stuff...twisting scripture to promote thier own ideas....well loved by the cannabis set.
People have the free will to continue in old thought patterns as long as they wish and hold time, as it were, at a standstill where all thought is a batle between Calvinism or Arminianism. You can do that if you want. But sometime you will wake up and discover there is so much MORE in the universe to discover and there are so many better paradigms to explore than your Reformation Biblicism. But go ahead, have it your way. For now :)
Psalm 51 is a perfect example of a psalm that is NOT attributed to Christ at all. "Against you only have I sinned and done evil in your sight" says the Psalmist. It has been known that this is the Psalm written right after David had Uriah killed and took his wife. A lot of other psalms in the context recall battles and struggles, like against Saul for instance, who wanted him killed.
Not everything can be attributed to Christ. CS Lewis has merit in what he says.
The maker of this video and quiet a few people posting comments on it clearly do not have a strong biblical foundation nor an understanding of what Lewis is saying. I would venture to guess that most of the people supporting this video are single issue christians who have allowed themselves to take one small piece of the Bible and make it paramount rather than looking at the whole picture that is the Gospel starting at Genesis and closing the Bible in Revelation. The whole Bible is about Jesus.
The Psalms are not especially more Christ's words then any other part of the Bible. All scripture is inspired of God, but all scripture is also very part of a particular human imagination & will. Both men & God author the scriptures. One needs to ask who wrote (as in applying their hand to the original sheet) it, when & why? The Psalms were created for the Temple of Jerusalem & were part of the liturgy there. The priests said these words on behalf of the nation, speaking from their pure office.
the name "jehovah" is never used in the Bible and is a common misconception of God's name. So I am not sure which Bible the author of this video used in his comments, surely not the new world translation.
I'm not certain what makes less sense...That Lewis post-conversion would ever ridicule The Holy Bible, or - amongst others - that the disciples "overlooked" reciting the psalms, or any other portion of what is commonly called The Old Testament. Throughout the NT, Christ references OT verse. Surely the disciples , if using Christ's method to deliver the gospel, would have done likewise.
Ok, so what's your basis for claiming that the psalms were Jesus' words? Who wrote the Psalms? The answer is many people. King David exerted a major influence on the psalms but he was not the only author. Sometime after the Babylonian exile the writings now known as the Book of Psalms were compiled into one collection of literature. If this body of literature was compiled before the birth of Christ how could the writings contained in them be his words?
I'm confused. How is this ridiculing the Bible? This is ridiculous. C.S. Lewis was a thinker. It shows in his writings. He is simply letting his thoughts out.
Ok....liatened further and heard his explanation. Talk about cherry picking a verse. Look at Psalm 51. Was Christ born in sin? The Psalmist knew his transgression, not another's. The before means in front of my consciousness. Bain comes up with interpretations no credible theologian in the history of the Church and assumes he is right. I can't believe I am even responding because he will probably take it as evidence of Christ's words that he would be persecuted for truth.
scripture should always be seen in it's historical context. david and solomon had foreign enemies, civil war, and even rebellion in their own houses. it's not a question of self-righteousness; they were God's chosen kings over God's chosen people and were attacked from all sides. they pleaded with God to protect them and He heard their cries. not once does Jesus or even paul criticize their prayers.
Paul encourages believers to speak to one another using the Psalms - Ephesians 5 v 19 and Colossians 3 v 16 Speak to one another with Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs - AGAIN Mr Bain you do not study Scripture enough to make a valid comment and thus discredit yourself
First off, Paul spoke to the believers to be united. that includes doctrine.Lewis DID NOT believe the gospel and this was proven by his actions asking for extreme unction.The gospel sets men free and does not need superstitious acts to validate it.Lewis was an Anglican.He taught in Mere Christianity that we were little gods.He used the same passage that the Mormons appeal to.What does that tell you?So, we are to enocurage the family of God with Pslams and hymns.Not heretics.
"If you believe Lewis, then you will see him again!"
In Hell right? That was what you were shooting for? I'd say that was a threat of damnation labeled against me, an albeit empty one, but it's still what it was.
With that said, you might like to look into a prescription for chill pills.
I certainly don't think I'm a victim, your personal anathemas and personal condemnations would have to carry some weight in order for me to feel victimized.
Do you have more of this bulls.... It`s quite entertaining. Get a life. Demand evidence for all that is presented to you. No evidence=no belief. Period.
If you quote "Romans" as evidence, you can as well quote your pastors` homily last Sunday as evidence. That`s what it is a letter(homily) of Paul to the Romans.
maz, speaking of mere christianity, it appears you have no problem with Lewis' views in the book on the mass, or becoming little deities, or that we have the ability to come and go as we please into God's kingdom. Therefore, it is you who misunderstands. If i may suggest many of you do your research and stop putting this man on a christian tower. He was religious but not a follower of the Lord according to the prescribed manner taught in the scripture. The Mass is DEVILISH! Moshe
Well, that depends on how seriously you take the Scriptures? Are they in fact, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Are they alone the word of God through men concerning doctrine and morals? Is taking this position seriously (as I do)a slam? Or, do you confuse me with a funnymentalist or an evanjellyfish? You liberal Gentiles are not interested in anything but liberalism sprinkled with God words. If you believe Lewis, then you will see him again! Moshe
I accept the Bible as a collection of inspired texts which are holy and direct me to the Person of Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God.
Empty threats of hellfire mean nothing to me, Jesus Christ is my salvation, my hope is in Him, not my religiosity, not in biblical hermeneutics or anything else.
However yours is an excellent example of a shallow and demeaning form of religion which rather than offering hope and good news offers only fear and damnation. The God I worship is a God of hope.
What fear? What threats? I will pose a simple question; If you say you know and understand the Gospel and you believe Clive Lewis was a Christian then you DO NOT know the Gospel! No threats, so stop with the victim mentality. All who believe in the doctrine of extreme unction DO NOT believe or understand the Gospel! Lewis was a Romanist at heart. Rome is under the anathema of God. Therefore, ALL who entertain Romes gospel are under God's anathema. Moshe
Doubt about salvation is not amongst genuine believers who believe 1 John 5:13. Doubt is among the evanjellyfish playing with the Scriptures and adding their humanism in with it. Doubt exists because so-called believers do not understand what it means to be declared "not guilty" by God because of the life and death of Yeshua. Most Arminians are hybrid Roman Catholics who trust in their efforts to be saved and remain saved. This is not good news. This is tyranny and self delusion. Moshe
Lewis frequently criticized the Bible, and that is why I respect him. His honesty is so disarming. How can you argue with a man who has already argued your point for you? Lewis was happy to admit that the Bible was a very confusing, contradictory, and even erroneous text. And yet he found more arguments for the Bible than against it. That is why we should listen to him. --An agnostic
Tooman, thats interesting that you respect a man who criticised the word of God. So, to follow in that reasoning,since the Messiah was the word of God made flesh I suppose you respected those who criticised the Messiah as well? Note to self; The word of God and God are inseperable! All Scripture is inspired by God. God breathed into the heart of men who wrote the Scriptures. Lewis was a fool to challenge God's word! Scripture is not on trial. Lewis and ALL mankind are. Moshe
Why is it those who claim to believe are so callous to believe we would or could never be lied to from those inside the Church? I said it before and I will say it again. ANYONE who receives the sacrament of extreme unction does not know and does not believe the gospel. If, it is paid in full as communicated by the Lord from the cross, then human efforts are worthless. Lewis didn't trust in the works of the cross and therefore trusted in Roman Catholic "back up" plans to ensure he makes it.
Philos, is false doctrine BS? Are men so stupid that they think these heros of the faith would never pull the wool over their eyes? Lewis was made a hero by so-called evangelicals. I said it before and Ill say it again. If you say you know the gospel, and believe a Roman Catholic is saved, then you DO NOT know the gospel. Lewis had roman catholic fleas and he never dealt with them. He didnt want to deal with them. He wanted them to jump on others to bite people with their doctrinal poison.Moshe
Philosophy is your god and humanism will never embrace the 66 scrolls as the word of God. Your disapproval is not a news flash to me. Romans 1 says pagans do what pagans do because they suppress the truth of God. And, Einstein does not represent God's elect! A Jew is not necessarily a Jew because he is snipped. Read Romans. I will post it for you. Also, why not quote Einstein before he died? We judge a man by his most recent statements, not his oldest! Repent of your humanism. Moshe
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. Moshe
The passage is taken out of context, for a start! Secondly, many of the Psalms were prophetic in regards to the Messiah, so you are correct in saying that many of the references are on behalf of Christ.
I don't see any reason to make a rationalistic distinction; the psalms were written (mostly) by Prophet/King David and Asaph. They are what they are and are considered inspired by the Holy Spirit. They express the necessary paradox of existence; to love good and hate evil, but how to do it when the good (what God created) is being corrupted by the evil (sin) ? Lewis points out rightly, then, that we should be careful not to take the Psalms as a warrant to condemn evil people to their face...
and indeed, the most true criticisms I have heard of the Bible come from within the faith itself. For they were written with human hands. And what of the interpreters? 'The receiver determines the meaning of the message', as they say in my industry. If you're not following the standard, your readout might be faulty.
What about Ezekiel? How the heck are we supposed to know what he was talking about? Alas, poor guy - didn't have the words to explain it. Didn't stop the Spirit of Truth, did it?
Your an arrogant ass and your hermeneutic is atrocious. Don't downgrade the the greatest theologian of the 20th century just because your ignorant. Listen long and be slow to speak, you learn more that way. By the way, the Psalms are NOT the word of Christ, except that Christ is God and scripture is inspired. Until you understand that, SHUT UP!!!
Downgrade the greatest theologion? LOL! A Romanist is no more saved than a hoppytoad.Theologions have theology.Lewis had Rome plus humanism sprinkled with christianity words.The Psalms are the word of God you numbskull!You think you can browbeat people with your human wisdom and language as if you have something to say.This is the common error with worldly philosophies and those who defend them.I repeat. Lewis was not saved.Extreme unction proves he did not understand salvation is of the Lord.
"Oh, Aslan, said Lucy. Will you tell us how to get into your country from our world? I shall be telling you all the time, said Aslan. But I will not tell you how long or short the way will be; only that it lies across a river.But do not fear that for I am the great Bridge Builder."
Prof. Lewis may have made some mistakes regarding Biblical hermeneutics. But it is the hermeneutic of Christ that makes one a Christian, not merely a defective hermeneutic of the Bible that makes one a non-Christian.
As Dr Dan Wallace once remarked, many Christians make the mistake of making Christ the handmaid of the Bible rather than the other way around.
Andrews ultimate conclusions... "Christ is the Psalmist!" If that is true then read psalm 51... is Christ the one who commits adultery with bathsheeba? Is Christ the one who asks God to cleanse him from iniquity? Andrew doesn't answer the question of sin in the psalms... and his ridiculous christological interpretations are reminiscent of early church allegory, in this way we can make the bible say whatever we want... get real.... come out of this illusory paradigm in which you live Andrew!
It is easy to have a "cop-out" theology and read the psalms with a christological focus (i.e. Andrew), yes some psalms can be read christologically but there has to be a balance... The thing that Lewis seemingly got wrong was that he didn't see the psalms had a historical context. They were not just hebraic poetry devoid of historical context... so when the psalmist pleads his innocence it is concerning a particular historical incident! Andrew your videos are random rants and have no realfocus
To justify this translation, you are using another translation the english one, there is a lot of hebrew grammatical,poetic, and syntax knowledge that needs to be taken into account before you can even make assumptions about the syntax of a psalm. Theology can not replace linguistics in the sense of translation or interpretation of the Hebrew language.
Is there something I missed? Is there a reason I'm not so angry or defensive as many of you are? It sounded to me like he was interpreting Psalms. Did I miss the part where he slaughtered a bunch of puppies and drank their blood?
Christians condemning other Christians? The very reason I respect C.S. Lewis is that he was willing to face the problematic passages in the bible without simply resorting to doctrine.
Andrew!!! You are making me so angry with your rubbish. Why don't you come with me to Sudan and see the power of God working and bring people to salvation. Why do you have to waste you time with doing this.
I don't think there is even a point in asking as so many people have asked you to stop. Makes me wonder...."God resists the proud". Seems all your posts are more about you than about God.
In defense of C.S. Lewis, I think he meant this as a "chicken or egg first" sort of question, applied to self-righteousness and the psalms. He doesn't assert one idea absolutely ("we MIGHT conclude") but admits his uncertainty, as he fears his theory might be oversimplistic or "too summary," and that there are more aspects affecting the writ: "We must consider the WHOLE experience".
I don't know if Calvin is bound for hell,but I'm sure he won't evade the responsiblity for sanctioning the burning of heretics or decapitating disobedient children.
the psalmists didnt think they were impeccable, they simply knew the prophecies about the jewish people being brought into a place of security and wealth and right-standing with god, so they were crying out to god to fulfill *his* words on the matter, standing upon those words, not their own actions.
i sometimes wonder_ wot you on about _ and furthermore why have you got more BANDWITH THAN OASIS< BASEJUMPING _ OR OWT WORTH LISTENING TO - well done!!!
O MAN... this man talks in a monotone... hard to really get what he means. I like to read psalms...but not with all of the happy tones this guy has...
Unfortunately, Lewis' fault is that he misses the social context of the Psalms... With few exceptions, these were songs written by the Hebrews held captive in Babylon: the writings of slaves in condemnation of their masters. Their anger is righteous and, I dare say, justified even if it sounds excessive to us.
@CoryTheRaven Raven, you should study before you say things. "With few exceptions, these were songs written by the Hebrews held vaptive in Babylon: the writings of slaves in condemnation of their masters." Nonsense. Where on earth did you come up with this. First of all, there are 150 Psalms, at LEAST 75 (half) of which were written by David. Other authors of Psalms were: The sons of Korah (10), Asaph (12), Solomon (1), Moses (1), Hemen (1), Ethan (1), The remaining 48 psalms remain anonymous
@CoryTheRaven Lol! Seriously?? That is SAD lol. Just goes to show who they let graduate from theology school. I got it straight from real bible scholars, historians and theologians. It's so commonly known it's printed right in the introduction to Psalms in my bible, lol. I have provided facts and sources, you provided "graduate degree in theology," which I don't even have reason to believe. You really are a fool aren't you?
@EerieTales I didn't find it necessary to elaborate because I kind of figured you'd reply with something along these lines. As studied as you claim to be about the Bible, and that is debatable, you evidently didn't learn anything about good behaviour from it.
@CoryTheRaven You assumed well. My behavior is outrage at you making false claims about the Word of God. I will not apologize that I am jealous for the Word of God. You should have as much passion as I do for the truth as you do for perverting it. I recall Jesus Himself calling the Pharisees hypocrites, snakes, broods of vipers. You pretend righteousness whilst mocking and maiming God's Word. Hypocrite! Btw I don't even need to be studied to read the psalm's title and see who wrote it. Fool.
@EerieTales: It takes a great deal of chutzpah to accuse someone who undertook a graduate degree in theology of not having a passion for Christ. Right now you are falling into an unfortunately common fault, which is to get defensive over differences of opinion. Rather than polite disagreement, you are simply calling me names and calling my faith into question, which suggests any number of insecurities and things going on in your own head.
@CoryTheRaven Does it? The Rabbis and Pharisees and Sadducees etc who killed Jesus Christ had degrees in theology as well. Most of the false prophets of the day have them. Do you think a theology degree makes you have a passion for Christ? Hardly. MOST theological seminaries today are in complete and utter heresy. The biggest battle we have as Christians today is the heresy from within the Church, not outside of it. And if you are going to sit there and tout your degrees and distort the bible at
@EerieTales: The Rabbis and Pharisees also had an extreme passion for the Word of God as they thought they understood it, which is what led them to execute Jesus as a heretic. You might want to learn from that experience. As it goes though, you're pretty much just expressing typical American anti-intellectualism: the odd belief that education invalidates your opinion. Since I'm not American myself, I can't take that seriously.
@CoryTheRaven Woah, do you really believe they were just following their conscience? Jesus exposed these people as hypocrites. They weren't merely following what they thought was right to the extreme of executing Jesus. Although their lack of understanding of the scriptures did fuel their ignorance, that same lack of understanding of the scriptures was a result of their hypocrisy, as Jesus made clear. They were hypocrites and "vipers." That indicates willful disobedience and maliciousness.
@EerieTales: Like yourself, I'm sure that the Pharisees were totally sincere hypocrites who very passionately believed what they believed but evidently didn't learn the message from those beliefs about how to treat other people. Their whole idea about how to relate to other people was screwed up, letting their "right" doctrine interefere with holy practice, just as your's is. And just as your conscience is malicious, as evidenced by your conduct here, I believe theirs was as well.
@CoryTheRaven Well... what can I say. You're right. I get overboard and speak hatefully when I'm charged up. I owe you an apology. I can speak the truth in love, without being a jerk. I have a hard time in that and I need to work on it. Sorry.
@EerieTales: No worries. Just remember that when Jesus - who is, unlike ourselves, God - called the Pharisees vipers and hypocrites, its because they were using the Law to mistreat other human beings. It wasn't over errata like whether the traditional attribution of the Psalms is factual. Doctrine is supposed to be a means to the end of reconciled, compassionate, loving relationships with others. It's not an end in itself. Christ died to give us life, not dogmas.
@CoryTheRaven That is true, He did die to give us life and not dogmas. That is very well spoken, assuming one understands also the dangers of inclusiveism. Just to clarify for those following us, it is still very important to rightly divide the Word, and to fight for the truth of Scripture. And I do very much think that includes attribution of books and psalms to the correct authors. It does matter very much, for instance, who wrote the psalms attributed to David. First of all, many of these
@EerieTales are messianic, or contain messianic portions. Jesus and Paul refer to these psalms in the New Testament and attribute them to David themselves as well. And I believe many of these psalms, I'm not sure.. maybe all, that are attributed to David were probably actually signed by him. If that is the case there can be no mistake that they are his. I believe God has preserved His word in scripture and protected it down through the ages. He oversaw exactly which books were included in the
@EerieTales canon, and which were not. I also believe, having gone that far, that He would also oversee and direct other important features such as book attributions. In my view of Scripture, no detail is mundane. Every jot and tittle should be treated with the utmost care and diligence. And indeed they have been. Even from the earliest manuscripts, hand copied over the years, there is very little error. And the errors that have been found to my knowledge never, ever change context or
@EerieTales meaning or idea. The meaning in those small instances of copy error is preserved.God did not preserve His Word down through the centuries, from heretics, pagans, the dark ages when they tried to eradicate the bible altogether, etc, only to fall asleep on the job in other aspects. These same men who have over the centuries taken great care in preserving the bible have taken great care to make sure the psalm titles are correct. And as I said, I'm not sure that the original manuscrpits
@EerieTales weren't actually signed so that we know for certain. I have not studied that part. But I do know enough not to call centuries of toil by diligent God inspired men into question, and but the same token not to question God's own integrity in preserving His Word for His people. Another amazing fact is concerning the Dead Sea Scrolls. When they found the DSS in 11 caves around the Dead Sea between 1947 and 1956, they contained the oldest known surviving copies of biblical manuscripts.
@EerieTales some malicious person hasn't added in things?" Well, since the DDS are the oldest manuscripts, dating thousandsss of years back, and it's exactly the same as our current bible, that question no longer exists. Once again proving the Word of God has been miraculously preserved for us.
But back to our convo. You're right that love is the greatest. But next is the ferocity with which God expects us to defend and preserve His Word. To have a balance between the two is key. But what you
@EerieTales said about doctrine not being a means in itself, I think I take issue with that. Because although love is the most important, we are called to love God above all, and to fight for and defend His Word. Furthermore we are not truly loving other Christians if we allow the Word to be distorted. Contrary to the huge ecumenical movement of today, all opinions are not created equal. And we do not sacrifice truth for the sake of some wider ecumenical love fest between all the religions and
@EerieTales denominations. We can speak the truth in love, and are commanded to. But we sin greatly and become heretics if we, for the sake of love, allow any and every view to infiltrate God's holy Church. We are to cleanse it, not pollute it. And Christ loves it when we do this. In Revelation He warns one church for it's loss of it's first love, but commends them on the fact that they were diligent about the truth, trying false prophets and concluding they were not prophets, and for not being
@EerieTales tolerant of those who perverted the truth in General. There are many other places where God commands us to be seperate from those who "will not endure sound doctrine." In one instance in the Old Testament God commanded israel to wipe out an entire race of people - man, woman and child because of the cancerous effect their perversions were having on His people. How we handle the Word of God is no small matter. And we will be harshly judged if we allow error to infiltrate what we are
@EerieTales The oldest biblical manuscripts on EARTH that have been found so far! And for all the centuries of hand copying, there are almost no errors. And no inconsistencies. Amazing. God truly has preserved His word down through the centuries for His Church. All of my life I recall hearing enemies of the bible say things to the effect of: "Yeah.. but how do you know in all those centuries of hand copying that the bible hasn't been distorted through errors? Or how do we know that
@CoryTheRaven These people were not merely well intentioned but misguided people. They were the same as the Jews as a whole throughout history: stiff necked and rebellious. They were outraged that Christ would challenge their man-made theology. Christ wanted to destroy their hypocritical system. And they hated Him for it. That is not "extreme passion for the Word of God," friend. That is humanistic pride over their Jewish heritage, and them wanting to control the system. Christ called them sons
@CoryTheRaven of the Devil, many times. And as Christ exposed, these people were using their religious office to extort riches from the people and to set themselves up to be important. As Jesus said of them: "But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi,'Rabbi." Matt 5-7. In fact,
@CoryTheRaven Matthew 3-39 Jesus pronounces curse after curse on these hypocritical sham artists. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers." (v14) "Woe to you, blind guides..." "sons of hell", on and on in a barrage of attacks on them.
It is so very very clear that these men had Zero passion for the Word of God. Nor did it enter into their heats. They were hypocrites in the extreme, using God as a means of worldly gain.
@CoryTheRaven Again, Cory, you egregiously misunderstand and misrepresent the Word of God. Misrepresenting the Word of God carries a weight of condemnation with it that I do not think you are ready to bear. As the bible says, "...let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment." It is not a thing to be taken lightly and one should study and examine what he is saying before unleashing it. This is a serious business, friend. And you are on a role now of
@CoryTheRaven getting it wrong. I do not think you understand it. Which makes your comment about anti-intellectual ridiculous. I am very much pro-education. Education only enhances learning, in the right hands. I was only pointing out in your case that your [obviously liberal] theological education doesn't seem to have done you any good. You were using your degrees to demand that we take whatever you say as given. You seemed to keep saying "I have a degree, I have spoken, period." Which is
@CoryTheRaven pretty ridiculous, seeing as I have publicly made a fool of you here. This is more for the benefit of any onlookers, but I hope that you realize your capriciousness as well. I'm not here to personally insult you, but for the sake of the Word of God, and the fact that we're in a public forum, I want to make obvious your errors and the lack of scriptural understanding you display.
@CoryTheRaven Also, for anyone reading who might be interested, here is a link to a larger list of "Woes" that Jesus pronounces against the scribes and Pharisees, exposing them as hypocrites and children of Satan. And also thus exposing their real motive in the murder of Jesus Christ. (Just go to bible-history dott com then /jesus/jesusMat_23_Mk_123840_Lk_204547.htm)
@CoryTheRaven the same time, I will get very defensive yes. I will be polite. But I don't know how polite I can be to a man who gives erroneous facts that contradict the truth. This is not a difference of opinion. You need only to go to the Psalms to see the authors. Counting David's alone will discount your assertions. And I don't need a degree for that. The bible says for me to "rebuke with all authority" those who pervert truth. I have the very authority of Christ when I rebuke you. Heed it.
@CoryTheRaven Even if u just look in the bible at the actual psalms and the introductions, MANY of them SAYYY who wrote them. It says "A psalm of David," and "Sons of Korah," or "A Psalm of Asaph" lol. Have you ever even picked UP your bible? Laughable and despicable. You are not worth even responding to. But lest you pollute the rest of the readers here I must correct your lies. U need to burn that degree ... if you have one. Because you are an idiot lol
@CoryTheRaven Although of those remaining 48, Ezra is though to be the author of some. Certainly we cannot say the theme of most of the Psalms were Hebrew slaves condemning their masters. The Psalms cover a WIDE range of topics, from heavenly worship, to earthly war, and things in-between.
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lightandbeautiful 2 months ago
Jesus prayed the Psalms in the Garden. You fail.
StAugustine79 3 months ago
@StAugustine79 Jesus also cursed Fig Trees and said ugly things about people. Should we do that too?
ideologger 3 months ago
Psalms predate Jesus by a long way- they are not 'Christs own words'
shortwavejones 5 months ago
@shortwavejones christ predates everything by eternity. the psalms are christs own words.
tercelkisor 2 months ago
@tercelkisor I beg to differ but psalm 74 refers (9) to WE not seeing any prophet and (1) US being cast off forever.
Also you will see that while (mat22) Jesus refers to DAvid speaking ON THAT OCCASION "in the spirit" the psalms are often about pretty obviously prayers TO God not BY Him.
90:3 You turn us back to dust and say turn back you mortals
92:4 ..have made me glad by YOUR work (not 'our" or 'My" work)
101:2 I will study the way that is blameless when shall I attain it?
Jesus say that?
shortwavejones 2 months ago
@shortwavejones 2 tim 3:16 says that all scripture is god breathed. regardless of whose line it is, the author wrote it.
tercelkisor 2 months ago
@tercelkisor
Nope, it says INSPIRED not 'breathed' or 'dictated word for word' or 'writian by' ect.
Matt22:43 "Jesus responded, "Then why does DAVID, speaking under the inspiration of the Spirit, call the Messiah 'my Lord'? For David said..."
Psalm 110 "The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
So would Jesus call HIMSELF lord in the 3rd person or is it David under inspiration writing?
shortwavejones 2 months ago
@shortwavejones the greek word is "theópneustos." the definition is "god-breathed." it refers to the origin of the scriptures. beyond this glaring, undeniable, evidence, the concept of the sovereignty of god proves it. god didnt see david writing and say after the fact, "oh, thats good. i call dibs on that psalm." it says also that christ is the word. his nature and character is what is spoken in the scriptures.
tercelkisor 2 months ago
@tercelkisor The sovereign nature of God has little to do with the matter of who gave the law on divorce-are you saying that God changed his mind?Or that Jesus differing in opinion from God?Thats clearly not so leaving only the option that David was writing prayers and visions both AS himself and FOR himself.
ALL things a man writes in accordance with Gods will are "inspired" or even "breathed" by Him BUT thats NOT the same as saying that God was "speaking as Himself" in the psalms.
God bless.
shortwavejones 2 months ago
@shortwavejones no.. divorce was never permitted except because of the hardness of the hearts of the isrealites. jesus said that. i didnt say that god was speaking as himself. though, in a sense, its true. i did not say that david wasnt writing as himself. the truth that god said the words of scripture does not diminish the fact that david said it himself. thats a false assumption. its not different than the truth that god killed christ and that the jews killed christ. they are both true.
tercelkisor 2 months ago
@shortwavejones and the sovereign nature of god, along with every one of his attributes, has everything to do with everything. we interpret every truth, every word, every action or inaction by the nature and character of god.
tercelkisor 2 months ago
your argument is like that of a child that picks apart words, completely missing the meaning. david physically wrote the words, he even formulated them in his own mind. that is true. the bible says that what was happening when david was writing was god talking. it was god breathing his own character and nature into words. come on bro. you have got to see that.
tercelkisor 2 months ago
@tercelkisor Hate to differ but without the words to pick apart then there is no message, its rather the point. WHERE do you get the idea that the Psalms were Jesus's words?I would assume FROM PICKING APART THE WORDS you read.
The argument given in this vid picks words apart in a most un-convincing manner, so perhaps you can provide a better argument.
Seriously, are you saying that God dictated ALL the books personally?
Mark10:5
"...hearts were hard that MOSES wrote you this law" says Jesus
shortwavejones 2 months ago
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FollowTheCloud 8 months ago
Hmm, I do believe the Psalms, as the other books of the Bible, were inspired by God (otherwise they wouldn't be included in the Old Testament), but they were not necessarily "objective", in the sense that king David wrote them from his own point of view. They were songs in which he poured out his heart before God, his joy and adoration, his fear and sorrow over things that troubled him, his guilt after the Urie incident, and most of all his faith and firm decision to keep relying on God's will.
Faunatik 9 months ago
Wait -- you think the Psalms were written by Jesus? I'm confused.
dcolby5 9 months ago
You get more attention than you deserve. Some nerve - you think nothing of besmirching CS Lewis, one of our eminent and far-thinking theologians, by attributing to him such a video title - tantamount to an accusation. In doing so you slander him and defy God's Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. It is you not CS Lewis who has ridiculed the Bible, bringing an offense against his good name.
diomedes1A 10 months ago 2
Andrew is a liar.
ProtoSteward 10 months ago
well , by the example of Jesus, we see Him praying the Psalms from the cross.
The revelation of God is progressive and that means that Christian read the Psalms in the light of the revelation of Jesus. Historically we have allegorized the Psalms that are not in accord with what we now know of the love of God. To love is to sacrifice and God in Jesus Christ showed us His great love for mankind. For that I am very thankful.
ozarkdox 11 months ago
And, it's "Galatians" not "Galations!" I hope I don't see any others. It's nearly 2:30am CST....
:-)
aardvark0123 1 year ago
Like I quoted about infallability, I'm sure not! It's getting late and I made another goof while trying to make fun of myself! The last quote should be "no matter who" vs. "not matter who."
I've been an editor for several years and in that capacity I discovered another "Deep Spiritual Truth." In a book of funny newspaper mistakes I found "After a nation wide self-study among major newspapers, it was found that most newspaper errors were due to sloopy proofreading." Yes, "sloopy." Lol!
aardvark0123 1 year ago
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aardvark0123 1 year ago
Here's something that many commenters, including me, had better keep in mind: According to Galations 5:22 anger, judgmentalism, and self-righteousness are NOT listed among the fruit(s) of the Spirit.
From a wise friend who prefers to remain anonymous:
"Nothing pays off like restraint of pen and tongue."
And:
"It is ever so hard to believe that any human beings, not matter who, are able to be infallible about anything."
Blessings to all!
aardvark0123 1 year ago
Cont: Mr. Bain says the psalmists' words are actually Christ's. Curious indeed when one reads Psalm 32:5. "I made my sin known to you, did not conceal my guilt. I said, 'I shall confess my offence to Yahweh.' And you, for your part, took away my guilt, forgave my sin."
When the Spirit led me to texts that challenged my beliefs, I humbly allowed them to change me. Instead of a life of intellectual idolatry - I discovered a life of humble service and a deep sense of His approval.
aardvark0123 1 year ago
Mr. Bain is an idolator - his faith is in what he believes. Only in the Modern Period did the traditional faith-as-humility-and-service morph into faith-as-intellectual assent to a set of propositoins. Paul said "I know whom I have believed." It took years of pondering that to cure me of my old faith-in-what-I-believed. Just like Mr. Bain I engaged in all sorts of intellectual gymnastics to explain away the plain reading of vast portions of the Bible that didn't fit what I had been taught.
aardvark0123 1 year ago
tuc tuc tuc
Aateu 1 year ago
Ahhh! Acho que com isso tu derrubou o cristianismo, tu é o cara
Aateu 1 year ago
Nice picture of Bodiam Castle. What does it have to do with Lewis?
Svatopluk 1 year ago
Dear Andrew,
please let me advice you this:
you always have a tendency to fall into
a false dilemma -
some things are contrary and complex-
but that does not make them necessarily wrong or contradictory!
Of course the Psalmists and Christs experiences
sometimes meet each other - but that is legitimate-
and why not? Since God gives his spirit to people -
and let´s not forget that the Holy Spirit is a person (!)
FallaciesDetective 1 year ago
You KNOW that Christ is the "only" speaker in the Psalms? What "proof texts" prove that? The psalms were used in the Temply worship and (later) in the synagogues, both of which were locales where Jesus worshipped too. Your thoughts are fanciful. CS Lewis doesn't look down his nose at the psalmists. He applauds their indignation at evil and marvels that God is open to us in our anger. God accepts the "hateful" words of the impreccatory psalms in the same way he accepts Job's ravings.
AKhomiakov 1 year ago
So another cool aid drinking Christian describing that which he has no grasp of. There are a lot of assumptions treated here as fact but I think that many, thos pious adherants, fail to recognise them. Of course, then it is easy to suspend the mind, when a comfortable lie is presented before one. And one who says, "a comfortable lie!?" Well then to you I will say to delve deeper and to not clinge to "because it is written" for it is the answer of fools and those of weak and dependent minds.
shinsaholic 1 year ago
cs lewis used witchcraft to teach bible stories? that is blasphemy...witchcraft is an abomination to God...also he uses images for his stories that are pagan idols...be ye not fooled, God is not mocked.....be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness...come out from among them and be ye seperate and holy...how can we be holy if we mix sin with God's Word....shame on America...God save America
phoenixangel1120 1 year ago
I might add that on the contrary, once I begin a psalm, I am compelled to read it through to the end for the poetry.
drhoobad 1 year ago
Andrew, you mean well, but your anxiety is misplaced. The Bible is not the Word as Christ is the Word. The writers of the Psalms at no time understood themselves to be oracles of God. Further, the Psalms can only be understood as the works of honest believers doing their best to wrestle things out with God. When one says, "I have been young, and am now old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed wanting bread," the writer can't even be taken seriously at face value.
yew2ewb 1 year ago
@yew2ewb Damn, I wish more people regarded scripture like you do.
drhoobad 1 year ago
I am reading " Mere Christanity " by C S Lewis. I am growing in my faith as I am reading this book. I don't agree with you. Please read this book with an open heart. and it will clear all your misunderstanding.
monubabu 1 year ago
I dont have much respect for CS LEwis anymore. But I think this author has responded wrongly to Lewis' erroneous critique.
Christians SHOULD have meekness humility and love, but i have never seen this in 30 years, even in myself
Strefanash 1 year ago
I take some of the psalms as expressions of the psalmist's own honesty before God: he was being honest, not good. EG Blessed he who bashes the heads of babylonian babies on a rock.
i am encouraged of this as showing that if i am in despair someone else has been there. i can cry out to God without pious platitude and be heard, even if I tell God that there are preachers who i hate and would see damned
Not all the psalms are the words of christ himself. HONEST prayer is what it is about
Strefanash 1 year ago
really? this is your argument? Can you read hebrew? Can you read the Hebrew Masoretic documents, parsing syntax and speaker voice to determine this? I'm assuming you can't, otherwise I wouldn't be so insulted at how poor your argument/scholarship is. The heretical Jesus Seminar has better scholarship than this. That is I'm assuming that they opened up a book to read it before making their claims, however poor and inaccurate. Your foolish pride is out of control. you must repent. period.
SymphonyforClassics 1 year ago
Paul did record that the early Christians repeated the Psalms in Song as prayers so the author is wrong on that.
pharmfarm59538 1 year ago
Psalms are not meant just to get Gods truth from. They are meant to be interpreted as coventant.....a two way street. We are to wrestle with them. Talk to God about them. Talk to each other about them and determine their meaning to us in our relationship with God. There is no dount some of the attitudes of the Psalms have sinful attitudes expressed. Sins are recorded in other books of the Bible too.
pharmfarm59538 1 year ago
Interesting. Can Christian psalms be compared to Zen Buddhist koans in your opinion?
Cihl280777 1 year ago
@Cihl280777 Well the God of the Hebrews and of the Christians is a more personal God who is interested in us personaly. I am not sure how true that is in Buddist thought. God wants to communicate with us and does through the Sacred Scriptures, through his interaction with the Hebrew Nation, and more recently throught the life of Jesus Christ. All Christians believe he communicates with us, but we differ somewhat in the nature of the communication. I am not sure the the
pharmfarm59538 1 year ago
@pharmfarm59538 And the renewed YT comment is broken beyond all beliefs. :-(
Cihl280777 1 year ago
what???? you make no cents to me...you are ignorant of gods power and possibly you would not no his power IF it hit you like a max truck...!!! you are playing samanitcs with words......
thelogicalGuy 1 year ago
I feel that the point that CSLewis makes in all his writing is missed here. I am not convinced that the psalms are Christ speaking. Man is speaking; the sinner is speaking. the Lord is addressed too much the be the words of Jesus. And if he is speaking, he is speaking for the sinner, as he took on our sins on the cross.
Dadbew 1 year ago
Aaagh! the man who held the Bible in the highest regard is meant to have ridiculed it? Trash!
ICR68 2 years ago
If anyone is interested in C.S. Lewis's view of sacred scripture.....you might want to read Micheal Christensen's "C.S. Lewis on Scripture. The video we are listening to is not overly helpful.
pharmfarm59538 2 years ago
Such a loving, Christ-like comment.
Zeupater 2 years ago
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socrhet26 2 years ago
I just finished reading psalms again. It doesn't take more than a cursory glance to see that many of them could not be talking about Christ.
Ratd0g28 2 years ago 3
If you have something serious to share, please share it in a serious way, especially as regards your video titles. Many of your titles are worthy of a troll only.
NathanYoshiyah 2 years ago 25
Perhaps one day our kind will become sufficiently mature to face the day without need of magical glasses. The realm of the imagination and the realm of the supernatural are one and the same. How easy we dismiss all the hundreds of "Gods" worshiped by thousands of tribes over countless generations as myth, all imaginary except the "God" of the ancient Hebrew. YHWH commanded Abraham saw off the end of his penis and become leader of the self proclaimed chosen people. Anyone see a problem here?
Thecandleconnection 2 years ago
I don't. Just think a sec: How many religions have made it through all the changes of the Earth? Wicca? Nope, just a couple thousand. LaVey? nah, not around that long, has it? Buddhisim? Proabably not, when was Buddha born? Evolutionists? When was Charles Darwin? Mormon? The State of New York, in a woodland grove, April 6, 1830. Only one has lasted that long and MADE IT... Christanity. You've probably guessed, but I'm a Christian.
Taggerung12 1 year ago
@Taggerung12 ....I Agree.....All of C.S. Lewis is an attempt to make a subtle mockery of the bible. Luciferians thrive on this stuff...twisting scripture to promote thier own ideas....well loved by the cannabis set.
vachief 1 year ago
@Taggerung12
Exactly what do you mean by "making it through all the changes of the Earth"?
amoxtlacatl 1 year ago
People have the free will to continue in old thought patterns as long as they wish and hold time, as it were, at a standstill where all thought is a batle between Calvinism or Arminianism. You can do that if you want. But sometime you will wake up and discover there is so much MORE in the universe to discover and there are so many better paradigms to explore than your Reformation Biblicism. But go ahead, have it your way. For now :)
MaestroJosephShore 2 years ago
Psalm 51 is a perfect example of a psalm that is NOT attributed to Christ at all. "Against you only have I sinned and done evil in your sight" says the Psalmist. It has been known that this is the Psalm written right after David had Uriah killed and took his wife. A lot of other psalms in the context recall battles and struggles, like against Saul for instance, who wanted him killed.
Not everything can be attributed to Christ. CS Lewis has merit in what he says.
minasoliman 2 years ago 24
The modern church is full of these dreary self appointed theological experts.
calum66 2 years ago 3
The maker of this video and quiet a few people posting comments on it clearly do not have a strong biblical foundation nor an understanding of what Lewis is saying. I would venture to guess that most of the people supporting this video are single issue christians who have allowed themselves to take one small piece of the Bible and make it paramount rather than looking at the whole picture that is the Gospel starting at Genesis and closing the Bible in Revelation. The whole Bible is about Jesus.
pilling19 2 years ago 3
your right on mate... what a brilliant story written by God
flyawaysuperman 2 years ago
The Psalms are not especially more Christ's words then any other part of the Bible. All scripture is inspired of God, but all scripture is also very part of a particular human imagination & will. Both men & God author the scriptures. One needs to ask who wrote (as in applying their hand to the original sheet) it, when & why? The Psalms were created for the Temple of Jerusalem & were part of the liturgy there. The priests said these words on behalf of the nation, speaking from their pure office.
VictorLepanto 2 years ago
the name "jehovah" is never used in the Bible and is a common misconception of God's name. So I am not sure which Bible the author of this video used in his comments, surely not the new world translation.
weezbright43 3 years ago
This guy needs advertence...
Silasdeutscher 3 years ago
I'm not certain what makes less sense...That Lewis post-conversion would ever ridicule The Holy Bible, or - amongst others - that the disciples "overlooked" reciting the psalms, or any other portion of what is commonly called The Old Testament. Throughout the NT, Christ references OT verse. Surely the disciples , if using Christ's method to deliver the gospel, would have done likewise.
NilDesperandum777 3 years ago
"before abraham was, I AM."-jesus speaking in John 8:58
replikantzero 3 years ago
Ok, so what's your basis for claiming that the psalms were Jesus' words? Who wrote the Psalms? The answer is many people. King David exerted a major influence on the psalms but he was not the only author. Sometime after the Babylonian exile the writings now known as the Book of Psalms were compiled into one collection of literature. If this body of literature was compiled before the birth of Christ how could the writings contained in them be his words?
againstheflo 3 years ago
I'm confused. How is this ridiculing the Bible? This is ridiculous. C.S. Lewis was a thinker. It shows in his writings. He is simply letting his thoughts out.
ps. CS Lewis is really my hero.
n2jesus419 3 years ago 3
It's really almost unbelievable how inconsistent and poor Bain's logic is. Why does anyone listen to this guy?
If all the Psalms are Christ's words then how do we deal with the Psalms that show the Psalmist repenting and having sinned?
tommie113 3 years ago 3
Ok....liatened further and heard his explanation. Talk about cherry picking a verse. Look at Psalm 51. Was Christ born in sin? The Psalmist knew his transgression, not another's. The before means in front of my consciousness. Bain comes up with interpretations no credible theologian in the history of the Church and assumes he is right. I can't believe I am even responding because he will probably take it as evidence of Christ's words that he would be persecuted for truth.
tommie113 3 years ago 2
How is this ridiculing the Bible?
Gheti 3 years ago 2
scripture should always be seen in it's historical context. david and solomon had foreign enemies, civil war, and even rebellion in their own houses. it's not a question of self-righteousness; they were God's chosen kings over God's chosen people and were attacked from all sides. they pleaded with God to protect them and He heard their cries. not once does Jesus or even paul criticize their prayers.
ajdicks 3 years ago
Paul encourages believers to speak to one another using the Psalms - Ephesians 5 v 19 and Colossians 3 v 16 Speak to one another with Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs - AGAIN Mr Bain you do not study Scripture enough to make a valid comment and thus discredit yourself
pianohbc 3 years ago
First off, Paul spoke to the believers to be united. that includes doctrine.Lewis DID NOT believe the gospel and this was proven by his actions asking for extreme unction.The gospel sets men free and does not need superstitious acts to validate it.Lewis was an Anglican.He taught in Mere Christianity that we were little gods.He used the same passage that the Mormons appeal to.What does that tell you?So, we are to enocurage the family of God with Pslams and hymns.Not heretics.
callednchosen 3 years ago
"If you believe Lewis, then you will see him again!"
In Hell right? That was what you were shooting for? I'd say that was a threat of damnation labeled against me, an albeit empty one, but it's still what it was.
With that said, you might like to look into a prescription for chill pills.
I certainly don't think I'm a victim, your personal anathemas and personal condemnations would have to carry some weight in order for me to feel victimized.
jbstuff 3 years ago
He did not ridicule the bible, you are an ignoramus.
gavcol12 3 years ago
Do you have more of this bulls.... It`s quite entertaining. Get a life. Demand evidence for all that is presented to you. No evidence=no belief. Period.
If you quote "Romans" as evidence, you can as well quote your pastors` homily last Sunday as evidence. That`s what it is a letter(homily) of Paul to the Romans.
Philos2006 3 years ago
To think that C.S. Lewis ridicules the bible is to sadly misunderstand so much of his writings...which cannot have even been read, I guess.
Andrew - have you read - and, also, have you understood, his book, 'Mere Christianity.'
You seriously, seriously miss the point.
He was an apologist FOR Christianity - and many are in the Kingdom now because of his writings.
maz59 3 years ago 12
maz, speaking of mere christianity, it appears you have no problem with Lewis' views in the book on the mass, or becoming little deities, or that we have the ability to come and go as we please into God's kingdom. Therefore, it is you who misunderstands. If i may suggest many of you do your research and stop putting this man on a christian tower. He was religious but not a follower of the Lord according to the prescribed manner taught in the scripture. The Mass is DEVILISH! Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago
You tell 'em Called, I mean the Bible is lyk so totally clear, n if u don't agree with the WORD OF GOD then ur of ur fater teh dlvel. Lolzzala
No seriously. How about engaging in a real conversation? Fundamentalism is so passe'.
jbstuff 3 years ago
Well, that depends on how seriously you take the Scriptures? Are they in fact, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Are they alone the word of God through men concerning doctrine and morals? Is taking this position seriously (as I do)a slam? Or, do you confuse me with a funnymentalist or an evanjellyfish? You liberal Gentiles are not interested in anything but liberalism sprinkled with God words. If you believe Lewis, then you will see him again! Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago
I accept the Bible as a collection of inspired texts which are holy and direct me to the Person of Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God.
Empty threats of hellfire mean nothing to me, Jesus Christ is my salvation, my hope is in Him, not my religiosity, not in biblical hermeneutics or anything else.
However yours is an excellent example of a shallow and demeaning form of religion which rather than offering hope and good news offers only fear and damnation. The God I worship is a God of hope.
jbstuff 3 years ago
What fear? What threats? I will pose a simple question; If you say you know and understand the Gospel and you believe Clive Lewis was a Christian then you DO NOT know the Gospel! No threats, so stop with the victim mentality. All who believe in the doctrine of extreme unction DO NOT believe or understand the Gospel! Lewis was a Romanist at heart. Rome is under the anathema of God. Therefore, ALL who entertain Romes gospel are under God's anathema. Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago
You claim to know the heart of another? You must have called and concurrently chosen yourself then.
87stailored 3 years ago 2
Wrong again.
87stailored 3 years ago
the psalmist wasnt a christian
lightoftheearth 3 years ago
andrewcbain=
"arrogant neophyte drooling rash,empty words, blubbering amateurish, inexpert nonsense"
Schleiermocker 3 years ago 2
Jesseakers: Because it`s NOT THE TRUTH.Peace !!
Philos2006 3 years ago
i like
one question-
why is doubt about salvation common amongst believers?
jesseakers 3 years ago
Doubt about salvation is not amongst genuine believers who believe 1 John 5:13. Doubt is among the evanjellyfish playing with the Scriptures and adding their humanism in with it. Doubt exists because so-called believers do not understand what it means to be declared "not guilty" by God because of the life and death of Yeshua. Most Arminians are hybrid Roman Catholics who trust in their efforts to be saved and remain saved. This is not good news. This is tyranny and self delusion. Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago
Lewis frequently criticized the Bible, and that is why I respect him. His honesty is so disarming. How can you argue with a man who has already argued your point for you? Lewis was happy to admit that the Bible was a very confusing, contradictory, and even erroneous text. And yet he found more arguments for the Bible than against it. That is why we should listen to him. --An agnostic
toomanfilms 3 years ago
Tooman, thats interesting that you respect a man who criticised the word of God. So, to follow in that reasoning,since the Messiah was the word of God made flesh I suppose you respected those who criticised the Messiah as well? Note to self; The word of God and God are inseperable! All Scripture is inspired by God. God breathed into the heart of men who wrote the Scriptures. Lewis was a fool to challenge God's word! Scripture is not on trial. Lewis and ALL mankind are. Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago
callednchosen; Do you have more of this bullshit. It`s quite entertaining. Peace !!
Philos2006 3 years ago
Why is it those who claim to believe are so callous to believe we would or could never be lied to from those inside the Church? I said it before and I will say it again. ANYONE who receives the sacrament of extreme unction does not know and does not believe the gospel. If, it is paid in full as communicated by the Lord from the cross, then human efforts are worthless. Lewis didn't trust in the works of the cross and therefore trusted in Roman Catholic "back up" plans to ensure he makes it.
callednchosen 3 years ago
Philos, is false doctrine BS? Are men so stupid that they think these heros of the faith would never pull the wool over their eyes? Lewis was made a hero by so-called evangelicals. I said it before and Ill say it again. If you say you know the gospel, and believe a Roman Catholic is saved, then you DO NOT know the gospel. Lewis had roman catholic fleas and he never dealt with them. He didnt want to deal with them. He wanted them to jump on others to bite people with their doctrinal poison.Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago
Calledandchosen: There no right doctrine. they are all fantasy. Einstein wrote:
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.
Philos2006 3 years ago
Philosophy is your god and humanism will never embrace the 66 scrolls as the word of God. Your disapproval is not a news flash to me. Romans 1 says pagans do what pagans do because they suppress the truth of God. And, Einstein does not represent God's elect! A Jew is not necessarily a Jew because he is snipped. Read Romans. I will post it for you. Also, why not quote Einstein before he died? We judge a man by his most recent statements, not his oldest! Repent of your humanism. Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago
Pt. 2
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago 2
Mankind is not on trial. We are forgiven, the debt is paid, the sentence has been served by the only one who can judge.
87stailored 3 years ago 2
The passage is taken out of context, for a start! Secondly, many of the Psalms were prophetic in regards to the Messiah, so you are correct in saying that many of the references are on behalf of Christ.
bekkynixon 3 years ago
I don't see any reason to make a rationalistic distinction; the psalms were written (mostly) by Prophet/King David and Asaph. They are what they are and are considered inspired by the Holy Spirit. They express the necessary paradox of existence; to love good and hate evil, but how to do it when the good (what God created) is being corrupted by the evil (sin) ? Lewis points out rightly, then, that we should be careful not to take the Psalms as a warrant to condemn evil people to their face...
incorrigibleg 3 years ago 5
and indeed, the most true criticisms I have heard of the Bible come from within the faith itself. For they were written with human hands. And what of the interpreters? 'The receiver determines the meaning of the message', as they say in my industry. If you're not following the standard, your readout might be faulty.
What about Ezekiel? How the heck are we supposed to know what he was talking about? Alas, poor guy - didn't have the words to explain it. Didn't stop the Spirit of Truth, did it?
incorrigibleg 3 years ago
Your an arrogant ass and your hermeneutic is atrocious. Don't downgrade the the greatest theologian of the 20th century just because your ignorant. Listen long and be slow to speak, you learn more that way. By the way, the Psalms are NOT the word of Christ, except that Christ is God and scripture is inspired. Until you understand that, SHUT UP!!!
ree39401 3 years ago
Downgrade the greatest theologion? LOL! A Romanist is no more saved than a hoppytoad.Theologions have theology.Lewis had Rome plus humanism sprinkled with christianity words.The Psalms are the word of God you numbskull!You think you can browbeat people with your human wisdom and language as if you have something to say.This is the common error with worldly philosophies and those who defend them.I repeat. Lewis was not saved.Extreme unction proves he did not understand salvation is of the Lord.
callednchosen 3 years ago
"Oh, Aslan, said Lucy. Will you tell us how to get into your country from our world? I shall be telling you all the time, said Aslan. But I will not tell you how long or short the way will be; only that it lies across a river.But do not fear that for I am the great Bridge Builder."
87stailored 3 years ago
Prof. Lewis may have made some mistakes regarding Biblical hermeneutics. But it is the hermeneutic of Christ that makes one a Christian, not merely a defective hermeneutic of the Bible that makes one a non-Christian.
As Dr Dan Wallace once remarked, many Christians make the mistake of making Christ the handmaid of the Bible rather than the other way around.
mghysell 3 years ago
Andrews ultimate conclusions... "Christ is the Psalmist!" If that is true then read psalm 51... is Christ the one who commits adultery with bathsheeba? Is Christ the one who asks God to cleanse him from iniquity? Andrew doesn't answer the question of sin in the psalms... and his ridiculous christological interpretations are reminiscent of early church allegory, in this way we can make the bible say whatever we want... get real.... come out of this illusory paradigm in which you live Andrew!
prophetelijah 3 years ago 2
It is easy to have a "cop-out" theology and read the psalms with a christological focus (i.e. Andrew), yes some psalms can be read christologically but there has to be a balance... The thing that Lewis seemingly got wrong was that he didn't see the psalms had a historical context. They were not just hebraic poetry devoid of historical context... so when the psalmist pleads his innocence it is concerning a particular historical incident! Andrew your videos are random rants and have no realfocus
prophetelijah 3 years ago
To justify this translation, you are using another translation the english one, there is a lot of hebrew grammatical,poetic, and syntax knowledge that needs to be taken into account before you can even make assumptions about the syntax of a psalm. Theology can not replace linguistics in the sense of translation or interpretation of the Hebrew language.
BarneyMac10 3 years ago
Is there something I missed? Is there a reason I'm not so angry or defensive as many of you are? It sounded to me like he was interpreting Psalms. Did I miss the part where he slaughtered a bunch of puppies and drank their blood?
MetalSandman999 3 years ago
Your words ring hollow in my ears.
heckablonde7 3 years ago
C.S. Lewis was a great man, he made the Narnia books to capture childerns attention and hopefully lead them to know God.
heckablonde7 3 years ago
Christians condemning other Christians? The very reason I respect C.S. Lewis is that he was willing to face the problematic passages in the bible without simply resorting to doctrine.
nothingnesswithouten 3 years ago 3
Andrew!!! You are making me so angry with your rubbish. Why don't you come with me to Sudan and see the power of God working and bring people to salvation. Why do you have to waste you time with doing this.
I don't think there is even a point in asking as so many people have asked you to stop. Makes me wonder...."God resists the proud". Seems all your posts are more about you than about God.
Archacius 4 years ago
In defense of C.S. Lewis, I think he meant this as a "chicken or egg first" sort of question, applied to self-righteousness and the psalms. He doesn't assert one idea absolutely ("we MIGHT conclude") but admits his uncertainty, as he fears his theory might be oversimplistic or "too summary," and that there are more aspects affecting the writ: "We must consider the WHOLE experience".
yoOfelia 4 years ago
I'm confused...
Kerow1ng 4 years ago
Lewis's whole point was that Know it all nit-picking like this is the antithesis of the Holy Spirit.
yfiaj 4 years ago
Read CS Lewis' books for his thoughts and views. This ridiculous atheistic propaganda has no relation to his believes and life.
BBX118 4 years ago 4
so.. do you think lewis is bound for hell too now? like you think tozer and calvin are?
matthewallencampbell 4 years ago
Calvin? Oh for sure!
mainsqueeze1977 4 years ago
I don't know if Calvin is bound for hell,but I'm sure he won't evade the responsiblity for sanctioning the burning of heretics or decapitating disobedient children.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
the psalmists didnt think they were impeccable, they simply knew the prophecies about the jewish people being brought into a place of security and wealth and right-standing with god, so they were crying out to god to fulfill *his* words on the matter, standing upon those words, not their own actions.
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jon3m2007 4 years ago
O MAN... this man talks in a monotone... hard to really get what he means. I like to read psalms...but not with all of the happy tones this guy has...
sunshinelollipopgeig 4 years ago 3
Ridicule? I think you missed the point.
harker3355 4 years ago 5
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Viglaf 4 years ago
Unfortunately, Lewis' fault is that he misses the social context of the Psalms... With few exceptions, these were songs written by the Hebrews held captive in Babylon: the writings of slaves in condemnation of their masters. Their anger is righteous and, I dare say, justified even if it sounds excessive to us.
CoryTheRaven 4 years ago
@CoryTheRaven Raven, you should study before you say things. "With few exceptions, these were songs written by the Hebrews held vaptive in Babylon: the writings of slaves in condemnation of their masters." Nonsense. Where on earth did you come up with this. First of all, there are 150 Psalms, at LEAST 75 (half) of which were written by David. Other authors of Psalms were: The sons of Korah (10), Asaph (12), Solomon (1), Moses (1), Hemen (1), Ethan (1), The remaining 48 psalms remain anonymous
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales "Nonsense. Where on earth did you come up with this."
Graduate degree in theology.
CoryTheRaven 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven Lol! Seriously?? That is SAD lol. Just goes to show who they let graduate from theology school. I got it straight from real bible scholars, historians and theologians. It's so commonly known it's printed right in the introduction to Psalms in my bible, lol. I have provided facts and sources, you provided "graduate degree in theology," which I don't even have reason to believe. You really are a fool aren't you?
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales I didn't find it necessary to elaborate because I kind of figured you'd reply with something along these lines. As studied as you claim to be about the Bible, and that is debatable, you evidently didn't learn anything about good behaviour from it.
CoryTheRaven 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven You assumed well. My behavior is outrage at you making false claims about the Word of God. I will not apologize that I am jealous for the Word of God. You should have as much passion as I do for the truth as you do for perverting it. I recall Jesus Himself calling the Pharisees hypocrites, snakes, broods of vipers. You pretend righteousness whilst mocking and maiming God's Word. Hypocrite! Btw I don't even need to be studied to read the psalm's title and see who wrote it. Fool.
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales: It takes a great deal of chutzpah to accuse someone who undertook a graduate degree in theology of not having a passion for Christ. Right now you are falling into an unfortunately common fault, which is to get defensive over differences of opinion. Rather than polite disagreement, you are simply calling me names and calling my faith into question, which suggests any number of insecurities and things going on in your own head.
CoryTheRaven 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven Does it? The Rabbis and Pharisees and Sadducees etc who killed Jesus Christ had degrees in theology as well. Most of the false prophets of the day have them. Do you think a theology degree makes you have a passion for Christ? Hardly. MOST theological seminaries today are in complete and utter heresy. The biggest battle we have as Christians today is the heresy from within the Church, not outside of it. And if you are going to sit there and tout your degrees and distort the bible at
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales: The Rabbis and Pharisees also had an extreme passion for the Word of God as they thought they understood it, which is what led them to execute Jesus as a heretic. You might want to learn from that experience. As it goes though, you're pretty much just expressing typical American anti-intellectualism: the odd belief that education invalidates your opinion. Since I'm not American myself, I can't take that seriously.
CoryTheRaven 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven Woah, do you really believe they were just following their conscience? Jesus exposed these people as hypocrites. They weren't merely following what they thought was right to the extreme of executing Jesus. Although their lack of understanding of the scriptures did fuel their ignorance, that same lack of understanding of the scriptures was a result of their hypocrisy, as Jesus made clear. They were hypocrites and "vipers." That indicates willful disobedience and maliciousness.
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales: Like yourself, I'm sure that the Pharisees were totally sincere hypocrites who very passionately believed what they believed but evidently didn't learn the message from those beliefs about how to treat other people. Their whole idea about how to relate to other people was screwed up, letting their "right" doctrine interefere with holy practice, just as your's is. And just as your conscience is malicious, as evidenced by your conduct here, I believe theirs was as well.
CoryTheRaven 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven Well... what can I say. You're right. I get overboard and speak hatefully when I'm charged up. I owe you an apology. I can speak the truth in love, without being a jerk. I have a hard time in that and I need to work on it. Sorry.
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales: No worries. Just remember that when Jesus - who is, unlike ourselves, God - called the Pharisees vipers and hypocrites, its because they were using the Law to mistreat other human beings. It wasn't over errata like whether the traditional attribution of the Psalms is factual. Doctrine is supposed to be a means to the end of reconciled, compassionate, loving relationships with others. It's not an end in itself. Christ died to give us life, not dogmas.
CoryTheRaven 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven That is true, He did die to give us life and not dogmas. That is very well spoken, assuming one understands also the dangers of inclusiveism. Just to clarify for those following us, it is still very important to rightly divide the Word, and to fight for the truth of Scripture. And I do very much think that includes attribution of books and psalms to the correct authors. It does matter very much, for instance, who wrote the psalms attributed to David. First of all, many of these
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales are messianic, or contain messianic portions. Jesus and Paul refer to these psalms in the New Testament and attribute them to David themselves as well. And I believe many of these psalms, I'm not sure.. maybe all, that are attributed to David were probably actually signed by him. If that is the case there can be no mistake that they are his. I believe God has preserved His word in scripture and protected it down through the ages. He oversaw exactly which books were included in the
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales canon, and which were not. I also believe, having gone that far, that He would also oversee and direct other important features such as book attributions. In my view of Scripture, no detail is mundane. Every jot and tittle should be treated with the utmost care and diligence. And indeed they have been. Even from the earliest manuscripts, hand copied over the years, there is very little error. And the errors that have been found to my knowledge never, ever change context or
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales meaning or idea. The meaning in those small instances of copy error is preserved.God did not preserve His Word down through the centuries, from heretics, pagans, the dark ages when they tried to eradicate the bible altogether, etc, only to fall asleep on the job in other aspects. These same men who have over the centuries taken great care in preserving the bible have taken great care to make sure the psalm titles are correct. And as I said, I'm not sure that the original manuscrpits
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales weren't actually signed so that we know for certain. I have not studied that part. But I do know enough not to call centuries of toil by diligent God inspired men into question, and but the same token not to question God's own integrity in preserving His Word for His people. Another amazing fact is concerning the Dead Sea Scrolls. When they found the DSS in 11 caves around the Dead Sea between 1947 and 1956, they contained the oldest known surviving copies of biblical manuscripts.
EerieTales 1 year ago
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EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales some malicious person hasn't added in things?" Well, since the DDS are the oldest manuscripts, dating thousandsss of years back, and it's exactly the same as our current bible, that question no longer exists. Once again proving the Word of God has been miraculously preserved for us.
But back to our convo. You're right that love is the greatest. But next is the ferocity with which God expects us to defend and preserve His Word. To have a balance between the two is key. But what you
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales said about doctrine not being a means in itself, I think I take issue with that. Because although love is the most important, we are called to love God above all, and to fight for and defend His Word. Furthermore we are not truly loving other Christians if we allow the Word to be distorted. Contrary to the huge ecumenical movement of today, all opinions are not created equal. And we do not sacrifice truth for the sake of some wider ecumenical love fest between all the religions and
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales denominations. We can speak the truth in love, and are commanded to. But we sin greatly and become heretics if we, for the sake of love, allow any and every view to infiltrate God's holy Church. We are to cleanse it, not pollute it. And Christ loves it when we do this. In Revelation He warns one church for it's loss of it's first love, but commends them on the fact that they were diligent about the truth, trying false prophets and concluding they were not prophets, and for not being
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales tolerant of those who perverted the truth in General. There are many other places where God commands us to be seperate from those who "will not endure sound doctrine." In one instance in the Old Testament God commanded israel to wipe out an entire race of people - man, woman and child because of the cancerous effect their perversions were having on His people. How we handle the Word of God is no small matter. And we will be harshly judged if we allow error to infiltrate what we are
EerieTales 1 year ago
@EerieTales commanded to purge and keep holy. To find the balance? Yes! To let one slip by the wayside? Never.
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@EerieTales The oldest biblical manuscripts on EARTH that have been found so far! And for all the centuries of hand copying, there are almost no errors. And no inconsistencies. Amazing. God truly has preserved His word down through the centuries for His Church. All of my life I recall hearing enemies of the bible say things to the effect of: "Yeah.. but how do you know in all those centuries of hand copying that the bible hasn't been distorted through errors? Or how do we know that
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven These people were not merely well intentioned but misguided people. They were the same as the Jews as a whole throughout history: stiff necked and rebellious. They were outraged that Christ would challenge their man-made theology. Christ wanted to destroy their hypocritical system. And they hated Him for it. That is not "extreme passion for the Word of God," friend. That is humanistic pride over their Jewish heritage, and them wanting to control the system. Christ called them sons
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven of the Devil, many times. And as Christ exposed, these people were using their religious office to extort riches from the people and to set themselves up to be important. As Jesus said of them: "But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi,'Rabbi." Matt 5-7. In fact,
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven Matthew 3-39 Jesus pronounces curse after curse on these hypocritical sham artists. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers." (v14) "Woe to you, blind guides..." "sons of hell", on and on in a barrage of attacks on them.
It is so very very clear that these men had Zero passion for the Word of God. Nor did it enter into their heats. They were hypocrites in the extreme, using God as a means of worldly gain.
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven Again, Cory, you egregiously misunderstand and misrepresent the Word of God. Misrepresenting the Word of God carries a weight of condemnation with it that I do not think you are ready to bear. As the bible says, "...let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment." It is not a thing to be taken lightly and one should study and examine what he is saying before unleashing it. This is a serious business, friend. And you are on a role now of
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven getting it wrong. I do not think you understand it. Which makes your comment about anti-intellectual ridiculous. I am very much pro-education. Education only enhances learning, in the right hands. I was only pointing out in your case that your [obviously liberal] theological education doesn't seem to have done you any good. You were using your degrees to demand that we take whatever you say as given. You seemed to keep saying "I have a degree, I have spoken, period." Which is
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven pretty ridiculous, seeing as I have publicly made a fool of you here. This is more for the benefit of any onlookers, but I hope that you realize your capriciousness as well. I'm not here to personally insult you, but for the sake of the Word of God, and the fact that we're in a public forum, I want to make obvious your errors and the lack of scriptural understanding you display.
EerieTales 1 year ago
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@CoryTheRaven Also, for anyone reading who might be interested, here is a link to a larger list of "Woes" that Jesus pronounces against the scribes and Pharisees, exposing them as hypocrites and children of Satan. And also thus exposing their real motive in the murder of Jesus Christ. (Just go to bible-history dott com then /jesus/jesusMat_23_Mk_123840_Lk_204547.htm)
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven the same time, I will get very defensive yes. I will be polite. But I don't know how polite I can be to a man who gives erroneous facts that contradict the truth. This is not a difference of opinion. You need only to go to the Psalms to see the authors. Counting David's alone will discount your assertions. And I don't need a degree for that. The bible says for me to "rebuke with all authority" those who pervert truth. I have the very authority of Christ when I rebuke you. Heed it.
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven Even if u just look in the bible at the actual psalms and the introductions, MANY of them SAYYY who wrote them. It says "A psalm of David," and "Sons of Korah," or "A Psalm of Asaph" lol. Have you ever even picked UP your bible? Laughable and despicable. You are not worth even responding to. But lest you pollute the rest of the readers here I must correct your lies. U need to burn that degree ... if you have one. Because you are an idiot lol
EerieTales 1 year ago
@CoryTheRaven Although of those remaining 48, Ezra is though to be the author of some. Certainly we cannot say the theme of most of the Psalms were Hebrew slaves condemning their masters. The Psalms cover a WIDE range of topics, from heavenly worship, to earthly war, and things in-between.
EerieTales 1 year ago