lucid dreams and causal body Ken Wilber

[tobiaslarsgunnar]

Ken is great - Mind - now compare to 'doing' w/ energy check out Matrix Energetics for ex....feel the difference, no better or worse - just different approaches. Choose what's right for us individually.

[nickotwincities]

thanks for the insite dear fellow human! peace be with you.

[qidaomaster]

Not only lucid dreaming can be a bi-product of learning Tai Chi, there is a style of Qigong dedicated to integrating the dreaming and waking consciousness, as well as the dream body with the physical body. It is called Qi Dao and based on Tibetan Dream Yoga. It actually integrates energy awareness into the practice of lucid dreaming. Since everything in dreams is nothing but energy of consciousness, it allows for practicing the most pure energy art. See qidao.org.

[SelfAware1]

is ken wilber asking himself this question. hahaha

[OGdank13]

haha that guy in the yellow wears his glasses like a tard

[DebyCedars]

So I'm a bit confused. Does he mean keep that state of being after waking up from a dream all the way into a work out or does he mean try to dream about working out?

Also what is a TM?

[radauto1]

@DebyCedars TM is Transcendental Meditation.

[anabelhenriquez]

I love you Ken...

so zen,

so lucid

so scientific

so experiencial

so... IT!

[nickotwincities]

I've had many lucid dreams over the years. But in a way I found them empty. Because I would approach 'others' in these dreams, knowing they were characters in my dreams and they were kind of shadow robotic characters. Not as real as people one interacts with in normal dreams. Anybody care to comment?

[qidaomaster]

@nickotwincities

Lucid dreaming can teach us to realize that the encounters with people in our daily lives have the same dreamlike nature as the encounters with dream characters. Whenever we think we are encountering someone in daily life, we always project certain qualities and have unconscious assumptions about them. Whatever they think of us, they are always daydreaming, since thinking about the past of future is daydreaming. The real awakening is to be lucid in the dream called life.

[Dajida]

I've had many experiences where lucid dreaming lead directly to out of body experiences. And all of my oobe's were preceeded by lucid dreaming.

I've not had a full blown oobe for several years, but just hearing Ken and this fellow talk like this brings up clear memories and flavors.

I'm a bit familiar with Kens books, but not so familiar with his material from the last several years. Does anybody have any leads to where Ken talks about working with oobe's? Thanks.

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[DustTown]

Ken does not talk about oobe, or any psychic phenomena that are extremely controversial(e.g. reincarnation, distant healing, telepathy). In fact, his most recent materials attempt to strip away most of metaphysics.

[MaBu888]

As much as I agree with Wilber, psychic phenomena themselves aren't and needn't be considered metaphysics. I can do remote viewing just fine, just so you know.

[plague613]

@DustTown Why is that?

[torment3d]

@DustTown well said - namely because not everyone can relate to those experiences. Unfolding of the mind, however...

[smallpotatoes989]

@Dajida what is an oobe? And how can I lucid dream?

[Dajida]

@smallpotatoes989

Out Of Body Experience - OOBE.

The most wonderful thing about oobe's and lucid dreaming is the access. I believe most people have access to these two states with relatively simple learning/training. That was the case with myself.

I spent four full months reading everything I could about oobe's. After another two months of practice I was having partial oobe's.

A state of consciousness exists that is distinctly different than waking, dreaming, and hallucinating. Check it out.

[smallpotatoes989]

@Dajida thanks! you have any recomendations for litarure? Has Ken written anything about it? Did you use any drugs, like shrooms or lsd?

[CloudshadowMan1]

Draw the causal body down into the subtle and then the gross. Good idea. It is always happening anyway so might as well be aware. This conversation was a good reminder that there is more Emptiness than thoughts, thoughts are always self liberating back into the Emptiness so why not enjoy the ride?

May all beings be love.

[MaBu888]

Is this kata exercise related to the three body work-out on the Integral Life Practice DVDs?

[DustTown]

I am not sure. I don't have the Integral Life practice kit. But kata can certainly be a part of the 3 body work out if you so choose. See the little book on integral vision for more detail. Or check out the latest book published in 2008 on integral practice.

[MaBu888]

Thx. Now I'm sure about the 3 body workout thing. I'll be checking the literature. Though, I have 3 body workout on DVD now. Especially love the weight training one, called focus intensity training.