@Shazoolo why do you refer atheists constantly instead of skeptics? there are religious people who don't believe in the Ouija board's supernatural proprieties.
The idiomotor effect is well known and understood, shown to exist in controlled experiments, shown to exist when using a Ouija board. This is about as solid a scientific fact as there is. You can't disprove ghosts but you can disprove the efficacy of the Ouija board.
The first edition of the game even explained in the manual that came with it as having been designed to evoke this known psychological effect... the second edition removed this explanation in order to sensationalize the game.
This whole video seems to be an 11 minute 50 seconds logical fallacy called "argument from incredulity". Yes, it is the ideomotor effect. Not being able to believe this because of different, unsubstantiated beliefs does not prove the ideomotor effect -or plain old pushing as Rockguitarnow said- are insufficient to explain the experiences when using a oujia board.
skeptics had a field day, particularly when they noted that Patience was somehow able to write a novel about the Victorian age, which came some 200 years after she had lived. lol a talented woman and a talented fraud :D
Claims about the paranormal, supernatural, spiritual, etc usually start with terms like "It is ... they are ... of course ... this must ... obviously ... " etc. What those claims almost invariably fail include is the follow up statement " ... because ...".
These claims would NEVER withstand the torturous crucible of actual scientific peer review.
@rmcdaniel423 its funny because people follow science blindly too like they say gods impossible what half human half monkey yeah i see those things walking around the grocery store all the time
@maju36able You ignorantly missed the whole point of my original comment. Science is not "blindly" followed, because proper science (such as the work done on evolution) has to rigorously show WHY they are making one claim or another. Religion and paranormal stuff just make claims that go beyond all understanding of the world around us, but don't bother explaining why, how, because, etc.
@rmcdaniel423 i get the point of science is to explain why but arguably so is religion i didnt miss the point i didnt state the point because i didnt feel i had to people do blindly follow anything science has been wrong before dipshit. scientists used to think the earth was flat the bible stated it was round.. theres flaws with both thats all im saying so dont get all cocky because you think youre smarter than someone religious cuz you arent youre just and sheep. THE END
@maju36able No, you still don't get my point. Scientists have to give actual observable repeatable REASONS for why they make certain claims. Religions and paranormal shit does NOT. Faith is not a reason. It is not evidence.
Sure science has been wrong. It also questions dubious claims and corrects itself whenever error is found. Does religion do that? NO. It says "believe this ancient book without question, or burn in hell".
@maju36able I understand that you were talking about people (not scientists, per se) who believe scientific claims without question. We agree that's foolish, whether it's unquestioning belief in science or religion. Where I believe you went wrong is in asserting that scientists and the understanding they have developed is based on no evidence. That is a gross misconception of the scientific process. My comment from 6 months ago was about the process, not individual beliefs.
@rmcdaniel423 its all just guessing when you get down to it we werent there we dont know what happened but imo its not really important since is good for learning and religion for creating morals but i get annoyed when people believe one thing and dismiss other peoples view points.. not that you were theres some evidence but its things are still called theories for a reason
By making that statement, you have clearly demonstrated your ignorance of evolutionary theory and anthropology. Go watch some more "crocaduck" videos. LOL
@maju36able Adapt + Adapt + Adapt (times millions of years) = evolve. It's a simple concept. It is substantially supported by DNA analysis and so on. It allows for many predictable explanations. How do you explain species that exist now, but no evidence of them in the far past, while past species are extinct? Species just magically poof into being? Support THAT with evidence, if you can. Stubbornness and ridicule does not make evidence go away.
@maju36able There is plenty of evidence. I think the problem here is that you think a chimp is going to go through some fancy anime animation sequence and become a human. You seem to vastly misunderstand what ACTUALLY happens. I agree with you 100% - animals ARENT fucking pokemon. They DONT instantly transform!
@MrZeus7 i beleive in animals adapting not evolving a fish is a fish from the time the cells are formed and it will always be a fish it may end up with some mino flaws but it wont end up creating anything other than a fish no matter how long down the timeline you go theres no know what ACTUALLY happened dude.. science or not if you werent there its still a guess
@MrZeus7 my uncle was a scientist and he believes in god ...he also said america is like 40 years behind everyone else as far as science goes but that was just a random irrelevant fact i for some reason felt the need to tell you.. you most likely know more than me about this subject but you havent really explained yourself you just keep saying im wrong and not going any further so its not really getting us anywhere
@maju36able The big bang theory says NOTHING about the existence, or non-existence, of supernatural gods. It is merely an explanation for the many observable aspects of the universe. It does not try to answer the question of what CAUSED the event. That is the untestable realm of many hotly debated scientific hypotheses and religious claims.
Also, science does not say gods are impossible. It only says they haven't been satisfactorily observed as of yet.
Holy faith buried deep inside the ground. Scattered prayers will never be found. A powerful vortex of dark unholy power. Victims of the master daemon's ax. Skull eyes shall weep the tears of blood. Their souls are now as black as night. The mortal remains buried in Lucifer's park. Don't play over there after dark. I wrote these words with the blood of faith. With the death of light and rotting prayers. Demons and darkness rule the Earth. Our mission is now complete. Hail Satan!
No more dangerous than Pictionary: the group as a whole determines where the subject matter goes. On the other hand, if you're Ouiji-ing solo, you're navel-gazing. Deal.
Its a fucking piece of cardboard you moron.
BackInTheCage 3 weeks ago
@Shazoolo why do you refer atheists constantly instead of skeptics? there are religious people who don't believe in the Ouija board's supernatural proprieties.
ZZzzzzzWhat 2 months ago
blablabla u only disregard science when its about your religion but use it along with skepticism and reason everywhere else.
MrThatguyaaron 2 months ago
@MrThatguyaaron Excellent point, sir.
rmcdaniel423 2 months ago
The idiomotor effect is well known and understood, shown to exist in controlled experiments, shown to exist when using a Ouija board. This is about as solid a scientific fact as there is. You can't disprove ghosts but you can disprove the efficacy of the Ouija board.
The first edition of the game even explained in the manual that came with it as having been designed to evoke this known psychological effect... the second edition removed this explanation in order to sensationalize the game.
Nemesis000000 7 months ago
This whole video seems to be an 11 minute 50 seconds logical fallacy called "argument from incredulity". Yes, it is the ideomotor effect. Not being able to believe this because of different, unsubstantiated beliefs does not prove the ideomotor effect -or plain old pushing as Rockguitarnow said- are insufficient to explain the experiences when using a oujia board.
Turgor 8 months ago
skeptics had a field day, particularly when they noted that Patience was somehow able to write a novel about the Victorian age, which came some 200 years after she had lived. lol a talented woman and a talented fraud :D
docterdroob 8 months ago
Claims about the paranormal, supernatural, spiritual, etc usually start with terms like "It is ... they are ... of course ... this must ... obviously ... " etc. What those claims almost invariably fail include is the follow up statement " ... because ...".
These claims would NEVER withstand the torturous crucible of actual scientific peer review.
rmcdaniel423 8 months ago 5
@rmcdaniel423 its funny because people follow science blindly too like they say gods impossible what half human half monkey yeah i see those things walking around the grocery store all the time
maju36able 2 months ago
@maju36able You ignorantly missed the whole point of my original comment. Science is not "blindly" followed, because proper science (such as the work done on evolution) has to rigorously show WHY they are making one claim or another. Religion and paranormal stuff just make claims that go beyond all understanding of the world around us, but don't bother explaining why, how, because, etc.
It is THEY who blindly follow.
rmcdaniel423 2 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 i get the point of science is to explain why but arguably so is religion i didnt miss the point i didnt state the point because i didnt feel i had to people do blindly follow anything science has been wrong before dipshit. scientists used to think the earth was flat the bible stated it was round.. theres flaws with both thats all im saying so dont get all cocky because you think youre smarter than someone religious cuz you arent youre just and sheep. THE END
maju36able 2 months ago
@maju36able No, you still don't get my point. Scientists have to give actual observable repeatable REASONS for why they make certain claims. Religions and paranormal shit does NOT. Faith is not a reason. It is not evidence.
Sure science has been wrong. It also questions dubious claims and corrects itself whenever error is found. Does religion do that? NO. It says "believe this ancient book without question, or burn in hell".
(LOL at your little tantrum of "THE END")
rmcdaniel423 2 months ago
@maju36able I understand that you were talking about people (not scientists, per se) who believe scientific claims without question. We agree that's foolish, whether it's unquestioning belief in science or religion. Where I believe you went wrong is in asserting that scientists and the understanding they have developed is based on no evidence. That is a gross misconception of the scientific process. My comment from 6 months ago was about the process, not individual beliefs.
rmcdaniel423 2 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 its all just guessing when you get down to it we werent there we dont know what happened but imo its not really important since is good for learning and religion for creating morals but i get annoyed when people believe one thing and dismiss other peoples view points.. not that you were theres some evidence but its things are still called theories for a reason
maju36able 2 months ago
@maju36able "Half human half monkey" . . .
By making that statement, you have clearly demonstrated your ignorance of evolutionary theory and anthropology. Go watch some more "crocaduck" videos. LOL
rmcdaniel423 2 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 theres no evidence of any animal evolving into another animal.. animals adapt but they arent fucking pokemon
maju36able 2 months ago
@maju36able Adapt + Adapt + Adapt (times millions of years) = evolve. It's a simple concept. It is substantially supported by DNA analysis and so on. It allows for many predictable explanations. How do you explain species that exist now, but no evidence of them in the far past, while past species are extinct? Species just magically poof into being? Support THAT with evidence, if you can. Stubbornness and ridicule does not make evidence go away.
rmcdaniel423 2 months ago
@maju36able There is plenty of evidence. I think the problem here is that you think a chimp is going to go through some fancy anime animation sequence and become a human. You seem to vastly misunderstand what ACTUALLY happens. I agree with you 100% - animals ARENT fucking pokemon. They DONT instantly transform!
MrZeus7 2 months ago
@MrZeus7 i beleive in animals adapting not evolving a fish is a fish from the time the cells are formed and it will always be a fish it may end up with some mino flaws but it wont end up creating anything other than a fish no matter how long down the timeline you go theres no know what ACTUALLY happened dude.. science or not if you werent there its still a guess
maju36able 2 months ago
@MrZeus7 my uncle was a scientist and he believes in god ...he also said america is like 40 years behind everyone else as far as science goes but that was just a random irrelevant fact i for some reason felt the need to tell you.. you most likely know more than me about this subject but you havent really explained yourself you just keep saying im wrong and not going any further so its not really getting us anywhere
maju36able 2 months ago
@rmcdaniel42 just like the big bang people say gods impossible but so is the big bang but yet one is taught as fact and the other as belief..
maju36able 2 months ago
@maju36able The big bang theory says NOTHING about the existence, or non-existence, of supernatural gods. It is merely an explanation for the many observable aspects of the universe. It does not try to answer the question of what CAUSED the event. That is the untestable realm of many hotly debated scientific hypotheses and religious claims.
Also, science does not say gods are impossible. It only says they haven't been satisfactorily observed as of yet.
rmcdaniel423 2 months ago
TheDarkLordLucifer 9 months ago
No more dangerous than Pictionary: the group as a whole determines where the subject matter goes. On the other hand, if you're Ouiji-ing solo, you're navel-gazing. Deal.
MsGingergingercat 10 months ago
Ouija is bogus, it's just people's real hands pushing it around. Usually one person dominates and pushes it.
Rockguitarnow 10 months ago 8
@Rockguitarnow Yep. Just blindfold your eyes or create a board and an observer will see that you just get a bunch of gibberish.
GratedTopping 7 months ago 2
I have heard many bad stories about the Ouija board. If anyone out their watching has one, Burn it . It will not give you anything but sorrows.
hellavadeal 10 months ago