The 2nd Amendment -- Part 1

[CONUTTO]

Doug, You hit the nail right on the head. Keep up the great work and maybe, just maybe you will educate a few dumb liberals.

[CONUTTO]

Dough, you hit the nail on the head. Keep up the great work and maybe, just maybe you will educate a few dumb liberals.

[ToothbrushMan]

You say that the 2A was written to "protect you and I from our government". You state this as fact, when it is indeed the very issue that is being debated. You need to provide evidence that this is fact the case.

You also quote Hitler. However, just because Hitler said it, does not invalidate its validity. This is how creationists attack evolution. "Hitler was an evolutionist, therefore evolution is bad". A.k.a "Reducto-ad-Hitlerium"

[Trebor998]

@ToothbrushMan - Read it....

Second Amendment of the United States Constitution

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

[ToothbrushMan]

@Trebor998

So you said. But from how did you get from there to "protect you and I from our government" ? The 2A does not say anything about the people having to protect themselves from the government.

The 18th century meaning of "militia" is of a group of civilians that form a temporary unit which to protect their community, from marauding bandits and even other militias. The 2A was written to ensure that such militia were effectively armed when summoned.

[Trebor998]

@ToothbrushMan -as for the 2nd Amendment...What happens when your community is being attacked by a tyrannical government...(lets say England maybe)that same militia sworn to protect its community from bandits and other militias must just sit down. Look at the history that led up to the writing of the Bill of Rights. They wanted freedom from England and they knew that history has the chance of repeating itself so they wanted safe guards in place for the future.

[Trebor998]

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they may exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.

-Abraham Lincoln-

[ToothbrushMan]

@Trebor998

England is just one of the states that make up Britain. Calling Britain "England" is like calling the US "Connecticut".

You are correct when you say that the 2A is about having a readily armed militia with with to defend the free state from a foreign power. This is how I interpret the 2A. [Note that "state" in the 2A refers to the US as a country - the government and the people.]

But your statement was "to protect you and I from OUR government".

[Trebor998]

Protect from any power that interrupts life and liberty. State refers to the state of being free. The people as in "we the people"

[ToothbrushMan]

@Trebor998

Nope. "State" in the 2A refers to the society, the country. It does not refer to the "state of being free".

To say "the security of a free state" when using your definition of state sounds really odd.

[CONUTTO]

@ToothbrushMan “STATE” refers to a country. We are the "United States" 13 independent colonies fought for freedom and then voted as independent colonies or countries or states to Unite in one union, The United States. 2nd example. “The Secretary of State” does he or she represents one of the 50th state or the country? This is not a debate it’s a fact, State means Country!

[Trebor998]

@ToothbrushMan - I never quoted Hitler but look at what happened to the Jews after they were told to turn in their firearms. He made policy that helped him tighten his grip of his nation and the nations he invaded. As any Jew to turn in their weapons and I am sure you won't like the response you'll get. And for the record it takes more faith to believe in evolution than Creation...That arguement is flawed.

[ToothbrushMan]

@Trebor998

The whole gun control/Hitler thing is complete rubbish and a popular pro-gun bumper sticker myth. If anything Hitler relaxed gun control - he felt Germany had been humiliated by the WWI armistice and its restrictions. It is a common myth to state that Hitler disarmed people. Wrong. There were almost no guns to start with. Guns are rare in Europe.

I only mentioned evolution/creationism to illustrate reducto-ad-hitlerium. But nobody needs "faith" to "believe" in evolution anyway.

[Trebor998]

@ToothbrushMan-

"Man learns from history that man does not learn from history."

--It takes more faith FOR ME to believe a fish walked up on shore and became what we are today than to believe there is a God whom created all things in Heaven and on Earth.

Must we continue this....?

[ToothbrushMan]

@Trebor998

Er. Not really.

[Mossy500A]

It's funny how some "college-educated " people can't even get this right. Great video!

[47MasoN47]

Very well made, well thought out, great video! Keep 'em coming!

[AlderTheKitty]

"A well regulated militia being necissary to the security of a free state,"

this is called a preamble a preable state's the purpose it was very common in the 1770's in legal writing style

an example of a pre amble in modern legal terms

"the matrionial home being necisary to the wellness of the children, the matrimonial home may not be listed in a pre nuptual argeement"

the part that comes firsts state's why and the second part is the rule of law.

[AlderTheKitty]

also in 2a they're is no definition of arms it includesmuskets to high voltage photon blaster's and lazer rifle's. also taking regulated and saying "well that means i can pass any regulation i want blah blah blah" is lunacy. well regulated under the historical president ment "calibrated properly" or "in good working order" and in terms of a milita means "well trained and diciplined" this is from a period edition of the oxford dictionary.

[AlderTheKitty]

taking that into consideration translated into todays legal wording 2A would read something like this.

"a well armed trained and diciplined populice being necisary to the safty of our nation, the people's right to posses and carry Arms for self defence shall not be violated."

Notice that got more complicated well it's cause of stupid cunt's like sarah brady.

the spelling and definition of the wording exludes crimianls because they are not diciplined in any way.

[knightstalker1369]

LOL you're preaching to the choir however there are some ID 10 T's out there that won't understand unless they been hooked on ebonics lol

[MockStoneLLC]

My Opinion: All US Citizens (21+) should be given a cheap assult rifle with wireless shot calculation (so that if one is shot without good reason the owner should be punished). thus no worries of a militia less country. 

also we need to eliminate gun registration, thats just telling the commies who to eliminate first.

[DOUGandFRIENDS]

Wouldnt the wireless program be a breach of your rights?How could a computer tracking system ever really know the circumstances of your choosing to use a weapon? Self defense would still have to be proved, and they would know every time it goes off, kinda sounds like Big Brother! How could you support something like that and want to get rid of registration?

[MockStoneLLC]

hey, im not perfect, i cant find the perfect way but im just thinking aloud here.

[JimTL1000R]

Our goverment can order police and military against us. So is that a militia?

[Trebor998]

The National Guard is a select militia, like the Second Amendment was passed to defend against.

"Congress may give us a select militia which will, in fact, be a standing army - or Congress, afraid of a general militia, may say there shall be no militia at all. When a select militia is formed, the people in general may be disarmed."

-John Smilie

[JimTL1000R]

Interesting. Seems like our governmet is just a chess game against us.

[Trebor998]

Speaking with many of the US Soldiers I know, because of the oath they took in protecting the US Constitution from foreign and domestic enemies, that would be one order they could not obey. I mean if the Government not obeying the Constitution isn't Treason, I do not know what is.

[bothpartiessuck]

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." 1788 (Federal Farmer, p.169) RICHARD HENRY LEE

Learn your History people. The Bill of Rights are Individual Liberties. There you go. All you need to know. TRY TO TAKE GUNS AND you will have a riot like never before.

[bothpartiessuck]

ITS CONSTITUTIONAL

A signer of the Constitution

GEORGE WASHINGTON (First President)

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour."

[jamesfreddyc]

Most pro-gun control advocates believe the word "regulated" equates to "control the firearms". The dictionary you used actually supports that. So, I suggest you define "regulated" in the parlance of the time period. "Well Regulated" at that time would be like saying, "accurate" or "reliable". "A regulated clock would keep correct time".

So, "A well regulated milita" is referencing a "practiced, efficient, or well prepared group of citizens". Supporting the individual right argument.

[DOUGandFRIENDS]

The word regulated refers only to a militia, it has nothing to do with firearms! Look at the context and sentence structure!

[jamesfreddyc]

Exactly, that's why I mentioned that the sentence, "A well regulated militia" is analagous to "A practiced group of citizens". The whole notion that "regulated" infers to regulate the firearms is bunk, absurd, and downright wrong.

It's tough to say it all in such a short post, but my intent was to point out that the 2A infers an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT, not a "collective right" that so many anit-gun folks like to charge.

BTW, I think you did a good job on the vid.

[Mcdeathbruger]

another gun owner and user, and carrier! I'm from pittsburgh and I carry where ever I go as long as I'm "at home" any how good vid and all and you can check out some of mine I'm all about the right to bare arms and everything. So i'll be checking back often and hopfuly we can get a whole group of people on here supporting guys like us :D

[FartyFartyPoopyPants]

The adolf hitler quote is fake, he never said that.

[DOUGandFRIENDS]

Prove it! I did a lot of research to find some of his quotes.

[Lord666Belial]

Yes he did. That is one of his famous quotes. You should look it up and do some research before you talk.

[atlasdaddy]

Hello Mr. Doug. Call me atlasdaddy. I know that this video was posted in July this year but I just now ran accros it. I too am a gun owner and have been for years. My favorite is a Kimber .45 tle\rl and it saved my life. You have indeed made me think and I thank you for it. The words,"Shall not be infringed" ring in my ears. Thank you for your post and I shall be watching for more.

[atlasdaddy]

Hello Mr. Doug. Call me atlasdaddy. I know you posted this video in July but I just now ran across it. I thank you for your post. You have indeed made me think. I am a gun owner and have been for years. My gun has saved my life. .45 Kimber tle\rl. The words,"shall not be infringed" ring in my ears. Keep up the good work and I will be watching. Thanks again!

[RedneckGodfather]

I am a supporter of the Second Amendment I am a NRA member and a Gun Owner/Gun Nut. If you look throught history it is full of dictators pulling off Mass Genocide on people who are unarmed. Remember God made People but guns made us equal.

[Lindholmer5k]

No gun make you equal to God. And i realy dont understand why you need to carry guns in the streets, why you're police men need to carry a gun and kevlar. I think it's somthing fundamentaly wrong with a society when everyone is protecting them selvs from everyone.

[RedneckGodfather]

Ok. First.. Guns a For Protection. Its No Diffrent then having a smoke Detector in your home.. You hope not to ever have to use it but just in case It is there to Keep you safe when Time comes.. 2nd. Having guns in Law Abiding hands. Helps keep a Sociaty free from losing your rights. Criminals dont obey laws. Criminals dont care if you live or Die. This is why you protect yourself

[Coowallsky]

I think there's something wrong with someone who has a problem with someone else exercising their right to protect themselves.

[gnarkillkicksass]

Hi doug g'day australia thought i'd firstly say i like your original and interesting post!. I've been genuinely curious about the gun laws and the "2nd Amendment" in the US over the past few weeks and have a few questions, why do all pro gun debates relate to either stalin, hitler or other despots? And is it more important as a strategic freedom (against a potentially dangerous government) or a moral right? Not criticizing, just curious as a foreign gun owner! Cheers.

[DOUGandFRIENDS]

I would definitly concider it as both a strategic freedom and a moral right. Quoting despots just shows the fact that we need to learn from history, those despots controlled an unarmed group of people, and their statements sound really good and could come from some of our government officials today.

[Trebor998]

Great video. I love listening to these people who jump on the anti-gun bandwagon and think it helps prevent anything. I cannot wait for more videos from you. Thanks.

[DOUGandFRIENDS]

Thanks! More will be coming soon....