That was an intelligent answer, in a calm, self-confident way. All tribute for that ! Would be great if all muslims reacted so civilized and adult. Then, surely Islam would be more respected.
People elcected, democratically, to ban minarets. Whatever the motivation for each individual who participated in the process of approving the banning of minarets the final outcome was chosen by the people, for the people. That means it was not government imposed. The banning of minarets is not an attack on islam, the banning of mosques or the banning of islam itself would be an attack on islam, this was people chosing how their nation progresses.
We are Muslims who believe in the Messiah...we condemn all acts of terrorism and all acts of violence. Learn something about Ahmadi Muslims before you go grouping us with other Muslims who commit horrible acts. They do not represent true Islam, True Islam is peace loving and tolerant of all other religions.
And to go so far as to BAN the building of minarets? Islam is a beautiful religion whose peaceful nature has been tarnished by the horrid actions of a few. A government is supposed to act for the good of ALL its people--and yet, here the Swiss government is doing the exact opposite.
We all have different beliefs and perspectives- what fun would the world be if we didn't? AND- while we may not believe or support another's beliefs, we should respect them and seek to understand them-not ban them.
I personally disagree with the decision of the Swiss government to ban the the building of the minaret. The Swiss government needs to look out for all its people, not show bias against a particular group. And minarets are harmless--they are a symbol of peace and hope--yes, their original purpose was to call Muslims for prayer, similar to church bells calling the faithful to church on Sunday. Now they are simply a beautiful architectural piece...a symbol, a reminder of the past.
Switzerland is probably the most civilized country on earth. Could you imagine living in a quiet little swiss village and having maniacs screaming their "call to prayer" FIVE TIMES A DAY!! Each time proclaiming that there is no god but allah?? Basically saying all other religions are false!! Islam is just so freaking overbearing and obnoxious.
Really? Most civilized? Is that why until 1990 women in certain Swiss cantons couldn't vote? Seems pretty draconian to me my friend.
Additionally, the minarets were never once used for an external call to prayer. Not even once. But I guess a 'maniac' ringing a massive church bell is less intruding and less obnoxious...right?
Finally, Islam is the first and ONLY religion to recognize the TRUTH of all other religions. Muslims consider Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna true, Christians dont.
Oh, well if they don't scream 5 times a day then I have no problem with it...sorry.
But do you really want to go down the "draconian" path? Especially in regards to women?
And as for tolerance of other religions, there is 3:85 in the quran that basically says they will be the "losers" in the "hereafter" if they don't accept islam.
I consider all religions just institutionalized OCD...obsessive compulsive disorder (or maybe dogma)
Sure go down that path - but as you represent the Swiss, I'm speaking on the Islamic practice of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, who preach and practice complete equality for women and men and reject violence in every form, and have since their inception 120 years ago.
3:85 reaffirms the preceding verses - i.e. all true religion is from God. In 3:85, Islam means the grander sense, inclusive of every Prophet of God, which means, inclusive of every religion as at their core, they all taught Islam
or are they the real muslims, you know, the ones who believe mohamed was the last prophet...who said that there would be no other prophets after him.
Fundamentalists (muslims, xtians, jews...etc) are the real thing, they aren't pragmatists, they show the real face of religion; dogmatic, intolerant, power hungry, un-democratc, totalitarian.
The fundies here in the US would shred the constitution tomorrow if they thought it would bring back jesus
"the real" muslims? I'm sorry who's being dogmatic now? On one hand you accuse Muslims of being dogmatic and oppressive of women - and then, when an example is given to you of Muslims who Don't do that, you find an excuse that they're not "real" Muslims.
Don't look now pal, but you've turned into exactly what you're accusing others - a person who follows personal dogma rather than actual facts.
Fact is, Ahmadi Muslims believe Jesus has returned, and guess what, we love the Constitution.
I was expressing the opinion of the vast majority of the muslims in the world who consider your sect blasphemous, which makes you no better than me.
See you in hell.
I must confess that I halfheartedly approve of your sect, if for no other reason than it is just another fracture in the petrified scat that is religion.
My only dogma, is my intolerance of INSTITUTIONALIZED dogma.
But the AMC seem to be relatively benign, good for you!
Ah my dear friend do not mistake benignity from violence for benignity from logic and truth.
Should you endeavor to study the practice of the AMC, you will pleasantly find a beautiful and perfect fusion of faith and reason, without having to sacrifice either.
Indeed, I am relieved that my beliefs are halfheartedly approved by you good sir, I shall sleep well tonight ;)
The violent actions of some Muslims are incorrectly giving the impression that they represent the original and true Islam. This should be seen in contrast to what Islam actually is - a way of peace and tolerance - as represented by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community (AMC.) What Muslims are doing elsewhere shouldn't form a basis for imposing restrictions on peaceful Muslims. Yet still the AMC's response to the ban is peaceful- something that should be noted to verify our claim of peace.
When muslims stop killing Muslims you will make sense...until then...I think they did the right thing. When Iran listens to the people and terrorism ceases to exist...the Swiss did something that other Nations should follow as an example and that is to wake up Islam and show that enough is enough!! Look in the mirror before you point the finger at others!!
That was an intelligent answer, in a calm, self-confident way. All tribute for that ! Would be great if all muslims reacted so civilized and adult. Then, surely Islam would be more respected.
KarlMartell732 1 year ago
People elcected, democratically, to ban minarets. Whatever the motivation for each individual who participated in the process of approving the banning of minarets the final outcome was chosen by the people, for the people. That means it was not government imposed. The banning of minarets is not an attack on islam, the banning of mosques or the banning of islam itself would be an attack on islam, this was people chosing how their nation progresses.
IreapsI 1 year ago
We are Muslims who believe in the Messiah...we condemn all acts of terrorism and all acts of violence. Learn something about Ahmadi Muslims before you go grouping us with other Muslims who commit horrible acts. They do not represent true Islam, True Islam is peace loving and tolerant of all other religions.
wakis00 1 year ago
And to go so far as to BAN the building of minarets? Islam is a beautiful religion whose peaceful nature has been tarnished by the horrid actions of a few. A government is supposed to act for the good of ALL its people--and yet, here the Swiss government is doing the exact opposite.
We all have different beliefs and perspectives- what fun would the world be if we didn't? AND- while we may not believe or support another's beliefs, we should respect them and seek to understand them-not ban them.
McUniStudent 2 years ago
I personally disagree with the decision of the Swiss government to ban the the building of the minaret. The Swiss government needs to look out for all its people, not show bias against a particular group. And minarets are harmless--they are a symbol of peace and hope--yes, their original purpose was to call Muslims for prayer, similar to church bells calling the faithful to church on Sunday. Now they are simply a beautiful architectural piece...a symbol, a reminder of the past.
McUniStudent 2 years ago
Switzerland is probably the most civilized country on earth. Could you imagine living in a quiet little swiss village and having maniacs screaming their "call to prayer" FIVE TIMES A DAY!! Each time proclaiming that there is no god but allah?? Basically saying all other religions are false!! Islam is just so freaking overbearing and obnoxious.
At least a church just rings a bell ONCE a week.
Blasphemer2 2 years ago
Really? Most civilized? Is that why until 1990 women in certain Swiss cantons couldn't vote? Seems pretty draconian to me my friend.
Additionally, the minarets were never once used for an external call to prayer. Not even once. But I guess a 'maniac' ringing a massive church bell is less intruding and less obnoxious...right?
Finally, Islam is the first and ONLY religion to recognize the TRUTH of all other religions. Muslims consider Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna true, Christians dont.
the1qfactor 2 years ago
Oh, well if they don't scream 5 times a day then I have no problem with it...sorry.
But do you really want to go down the "draconian" path? Especially in regards to women?
And as for tolerance of other religions, there is 3:85 in the quran that basically says they will be the "losers" in the "hereafter" if they don't accept islam.
I consider all religions just institutionalized OCD...obsessive compulsive disorder (or maybe dogma)
Blasphemer2 2 years ago
Sure go down that path - but as you represent the Swiss, I'm speaking on the Islamic practice of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, who preach and practice complete equality for women and men and reject violence in every form, and have since their inception 120 years ago.
3:85 reaffirms the preceding verses - i.e. all true religion is from God. In 3:85, Islam means the grander sense, inclusive of every Prophet of God, which means, inclusive of every religion as at their core, they all taught Islam
the1qfactor 2 years ago
Question...
Are the muslims in switzerland AMC?
or are they the real muslims, you know, the ones who believe mohamed was the last prophet...who said that there would be no other prophets after him.
Fundamentalists (muslims, xtians, jews...etc) are the real thing, they aren't pragmatists, they show the real face of religion; dogmatic, intolerant, power hungry, un-democratc, totalitarian.
The fundies here in the US would shred the constitution tomorrow if they thought it would bring back jesus
Blasphemer2 2 years ago
"the real" muslims? I'm sorry who's being dogmatic now? On one hand you accuse Muslims of being dogmatic and oppressive of women - and then, when an example is given to you of Muslims who Don't do that, you find an excuse that they're not "real" Muslims.
Don't look now pal, but you've turned into exactly what you're accusing others - a person who follows personal dogma rather than actual facts.
Fact is, Ahmadi Muslims believe Jesus has returned, and guess what, we love the Constitution.
the1qfactor 2 years ago
This is why I try not to argue with theists.
I was expressing the opinion of the vast majority of the muslims in the world who consider your sect blasphemous, which makes you no better than me.
See you in hell.
I must confess that I halfheartedly approve of your sect, if for no other reason than it is just another fracture in the petrified scat that is religion.
My only dogma, is my intolerance of INSTITUTIONALIZED dogma.
But the AMC seem to be relatively benign, good for you!
Blasphemer2 2 years ago 2
Ah my dear friend do not mistake benignity from violence for benignity from logic and truth.
Should you endeavor to study the practice of the AMC, you will pleasantly find a beautiful and perfect fusion of faith and reason, without having to sacrifice either.
Indeed, I am relieved that my beliefs are halfheartedly approved by you good sir, I shall sleep well tonight ;)
the1qfactor 2 years ago
Sir!!!?
I'm a girl !!!
*_*
Take care.
Blasphemer2 2 years ago
How foolish of me, accept my apologies.
Good night madam.
the1qfactor 2 years ago
@djbengineer
The violent actions of some Muslims are incorrectly giving the impression that they represent the original and true Islam. This should be seen in contrast to what Islam actually is - a way of peace and tolerance - as represented by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community (AMC.) What Muslims are doing elsewhere shouldn't form a basis for imposing restrictions on peaceful Muslims. Yet still the AMC's response to the ban is peaceful- something that should be noted to verify our claim of peace.
mraahs 2 years ago
When muslims stop killing Muslims you will make sense...until then...I think they did the right thing. When Iran listens to the people and terrorism ceases to exist...the Swiss did something that other Nations should follow as an example and that is to wake up Islam and show that enough is enough!! Look in the mirror before you point the finger at others!!
djbengineer 2 years ago