Tanzania - Swahili Bongo Flava - Twanga Pepeta - Shafii

[MamiRicaaaa]

Why are ppl so obsessed with color? its disgusting, people from africa are all colors with or without outside influences!!!!!! the main important thing is WE ALL HAVE MELANIN IN ABUNDANCE :-) Thank the Creator!!!! This is cool!

[TheGlamfame]

i love this songg

[MrRemoremo]

I have followed with interest the arguments below about Rumba music being Congolese. And my take from it is that anything done by Non-Congolese is downgraded and despised. I think this is being narrow-minded and unexposed to the world of music. Jazz and rock music, though popularized by Caucasians has African American roots. Reggae(Caribbean/Jamaican) and rap (American) are performed all over the world. The Congolese should instead be proud of their influence in African and world music!

[MamiRicaaaa]

@MrRemoremo Hello!

[garracremasangre]

parece un festejo de chincha Peru, com la musica une a los pueblos y las razas que poblan la tierra GLORIA A DIOS

[ebaleNtomba]

Lingala just sounds sweeter.

[jakadenge]

Very good. Congolese eat your hearts out!

[mavinga]

@jakadenge those borders between Congo and Tanzania are irrelevant, outside of the colonial history of the two areas, there is no difference between the two countries, both just a collection of hundred of different Bantu tribes, and really Congolese can't claim this Rumba sound no more than Tanzania, even more than half of the Congolese artist were refugees from colonial Angola...anyway I don't see any reason Tanzanians can't do play this sound as good as Congolese, they are all related

[ebaleNtomba]

@mavinga

Refugees? Congo sound is Unique. So I guess the congolese really can't do this music or any music they just borrow it from from Tanzania and Angola. Name me one Tanzania Rumba Superstar and an Angolan one? Can't. This is congolese music and copied by everyone from West east to Southern Africa. If you listen to most African music it has same basic beat. They congolese beat is Unique, everyone is just off a little bit.

[mavinga]

@ebaleNtomba What the hell are you talking about, did you read what I wrote...you are being so arrogant as if the people of Congo is a tribal group or something...Congo is a mixture of 100's of different African people, what the hell is the difference CULTURALLY between the people on one side of the Congo and Angolan border and the other side, what the hell is the difference btw the people on one side of Tanzanian and Congolese border and the other...

[ebaleNtomba]

@mavinga

you are thinned skinned my man. what touch me off is the refugee thing. Anyways, 65 of congo is a conglomerate of mongo ethnic/tribe people - Mongo - Kundo, Ntomba, bolia, batetela, etc. So I am well aware of the the distinct language spoken in kikongo, but the biggest ones - not one many or the mongo people. when you say refugees, to me you implied that congolese who did come from outside the arbitrary borders are the ones who are creativity, etc.

[mavinga]

@ebaleNtomba no off course all the congolese are creative but congolese music is a mixture of all Bantu tribes who live in Congo who are as related to each other as they are to the ones on the other side of the political borders and also mixed with the cuban sound which itself was from kongo-angola bantu tribes so i was saying congolese should not act like african outside of congo can't make this music because we are culturally the same diverse people the berlin conference cant change that

[ebaleNtomba]

@mavinga

my brother,

me myself I will say that all congolese are not, there are crearive ones and there are ones like u & i who cheer them on. However, you still got to agree, it sounds sweeter in Lingala. I am not saying it does not sound good in kiswahili, just that it sounds sweeter in lingala

[ebaleNtomba]

@mavinga

But you got to agree, that it sounds sweeter in lingala!

[mavinga]

@ebaleNtomba who said this sound is borrowed from here or there..I didn't say anything about borrowing the sound is based on the sounds of various different Bantu groups in and around Congo...if you knew anything you would know that you are as RELATED culturally to a Tanzanian as to an Angola Gabonese, Congo-Brazza .this rhythms are also their rhythms all these are colonial labels that only separated politically...if you study you would know culturally the people are the same..

[mavinga]

@ebaleNtomba by the way as someone who claims to know Congolese music...I am surprise you have no idea of the role of the reintegrated Cuban Rumba and the Bakongo refugees from Northern Angola played in its early 40's to 60's stages. But I guess people like you who confuse colonially made political borders with cultural borders don't understand that these are all just the same Bantu African people who share the same culture from Cameroon to Tanzania...

[ebaleNtomba]

@mavinga

Actually my man the Bantu extend all the way to nigeria, but we will leave it to professors, like yourself to teach us only half of the story.

Before congolese/Zairian music became popular all over africa, no one was playing it. By they way rythm is one thing, but this genre of music is not traditional, so it can not be shared by all Bantu's it is a congolese creation, and I don't mind if Tanzanians are capable of duplicating it well, because we share the same rythm.

[mavinga]

@ebaleNtomba I hope this is not turning into an argument, I know very well the extend of Bantu people, I just spoke of the surrounding countries to emphasis that what is the difference btw the luba on the western border and the sukuma on the eastern border of congo tanzania...if leopold was given this area sukuma would be called congolese, if he left it to germans luba would be tanzania..

[ebaleNtomba]

@mavinga

No argument. I get your point. but let's say it this way. this type of music has been popularized by the congolese. Yes, others are well able to reproduce the same sound. However, it just a tinged different. You can't compare bongo Flava with Koffi Olomide, it is slightely different

[mavinga]

@ebaleNtomba This isn't really bonga Flava, bonga flava is more of a indigenized American hip-hop mixed with some taarab and some Congolese rumba and other traditional Bantu rhythms. The rest of Africa has a lot to learn from the political consciousness of some Tanzanian bonga "brain" hip hop, bc dance music is good, but we should give credit for Tanzanian young people for bringing critical thinkers in the music, because Africa society has a huge need for that...

[mavinga]

@ebaleNtomba .I agree though this Tanzania Rumba isn't on the same level as Koffi of course they just starting making their own, up until yesterday all the Rumba there was Congolese, but u have to admit this is better than a lot of the Rumba coming from the young Congolese generation I just hope that we stop competing culturally bc we are all the same people, u have to admit that Tanzanians remind u of Congolese, these beautiful women are our women I mean over 30 million Congolese speak swahili

[PapaBahia]

@ebaleNtomba It is not popularised by Congolese.. It is 100% Zairian music, the only differece being that it is sung in Swahili...

[ebaleNtomba]

@jakadenge

Yeah immitation is greater form of admiration and flattery. all can imitate but cannot compare. these guys though are better than most.

[debaba]

I agree with Tijiani- 4:15 is where it starts for me

[Tijiani]

Enjoy the music guys, Life is good :-)

[77me100]

I'm not tanzanian but kiswahili ni lugha inayosikika na inasemwa hata hapa america. Wa ndugu wa Twanga pepeta imbeeni lugha la taifa lenu.Naipenda sana Twanga.

[bandundu100]

There is no waswahili waswahili are people who do not have a tribe in Africa people like us who are mixed go and look for waswahili and tell me where is their village where you will only find them in the coast in big cities and they do not have a tribe because they are mixed learn research then talk give me a village just like wagogo in Dodoma or wazaramu in Daresalam every tribe in Africa has a location tell me where can i find swahili tribe you fool

[kodonga]

We Africans have a variety of features just like other races on this earth. All Africans are not dark in complexion. We have many different shades of colour even coming from the same parents. You will also realise that we do not all have broad flat noses . In fact you will realise that very dark skin Africans often have relatively straight noses. The same is true of hair texture. Many of the features have to do with geographical distribution and diet.

[BossGame]

But as I said you don't have to have European features to beautiful at all. You even look at some Chinese in which alot flat noses and then there is alot of Japanese who have straight noses.Alot of men perceive East Asian women as beautiful.

But like I said there is beauty in every shape and form I just want to know how diverse it really is. I've noticed alot of diversity in Ugandans, Kenyans, and Nigerians in particular. But do know, I make it an objective plan to take a trip to AFrica.

[IWannaBe120]

What's with all the Harlem jerzees? lol was this filmed in Harlem or something??

[penzoyle]

i luv the bass - deep!

[BossGame]

Are Tanzanians mixed with Arabs becuase I've noticed some of them have straight noses or small noses with cheekbones.

This is also indicative of their language Swahili,which would compliment this theory.

I've noticed East AFricans Horn and Central carrying these features

[granitePillar]

Some Tanzanians have some Arab mix, especially more noticeable in Zanzibar people.

Swahili is a contrived language and is a mixture of African Bantu and Arabic.

Tanzanian women are beautiful. I married one!!!

Hakuna matata rafiki wangu!!

[BossGame]

Congratulations,to your marriage brother.

I could not help but take notice to those phenotypical features.

But I've also looked some other videos involving women from Uganda who have straight noses ,cheekbones, and even light skin(I'm personally a fan of mocha dark complexion). I don't think Uganda had any arab invaders.

Its strange because this is the home of the Bantu/Congoids who have more negroid features.

Would you know why these features are prominent in Uganda also?

[mavinga]

you are ignorant, i would never disrespect English and call it a contrived language, so why the hell are you doing it with our language. English has tremendously more French words then Kiswahili has Arab words, and nobody says English is a mixture.

Kiswahili is a Bantu language, like Kikongo Kikamba, and hundreds of others. It just has some (less then English has French) Arab words in it. Stop spread misinformation

[BossGame]

I wouldn't what you say about English I really don't consider it my language, since it wasn't the language most my ancestors in the far past used anyway.

English has a lot of Latin vocabulary because that is what its writing system is based on Latin. Its Germanic language, and Germanic tribes such as the Saxons,Angles,Normans helped formulate this language in Britain over the years.

Anyway why are many Swahili in Tanzania identifying with being arab? I can't be that crazy for thinking that,

[bandundu100]

I am a product of Arab and Bantu and Swahili is my mother for and we are the only people who swahili is our mother there is no native African I say again there is no native African who is pure African who does not have another language beside swahili unless he comes from parents who are different tribes then they will communicate in swahili but all africans have there own languages we mixed are the only ones so before coming of Arabs there was no tribe in Africa who spoke Swahili

[mavinga]

You idiot, you act as if the MAJORITY of Waswahili is mixed with Arabic, just because you say you are, are the English people half French (English has more French words then Swahili has Arabic words). You remind me of the Somali who claim that the majority of the Somali are half Arabic...you are such an idiot, only a few Arabs came to the coast, but as the traders Arabic words came into the language of the people

[mavinga]

The Swahili language did exist before Arabs came there you idiot, when Arabs came, it just incorporated some Arab words PERIOD, but it shares the majority of the same vocabulary, syntax, grammer with its neighbors tribes in Tanzania, the Wagogo, Zaramo, etc.

[bandundu100]

I dont want to argue with a fool like you give me one Pure African tribe which claims they do not have another language except kiswahili listen swahili was not there before arabs the worh swahili itself is Arabic you fool and dont give examples of french or english it is swahili we are talking about

[mavinga]

you can call me a fool, but as much as it hurts your insecure heart...80-90 percent of the vocabulary of Kiswahili is African, and 100 percent of the grammar, structure, verbs, etc. are BANTU...sorry my friend...I will use another example for your anti-educated, Arab loving self, Persian has the same amount of Arab words in its language as Kiswahili, so is Persian a mixed language...you are a fool, wanting to embrace your so called Arab side so much that you lie to yourself and everyone else..

[bandundu100]

I am Arab and Bantu and yes Swahili is not pure African language since you metioned Kikamba I am assuming you are a kenyan tell me which native African tribe in Kenya speak swahili only no other language swahili was introduced after coming of arabs those light skinned you see them in Mombasa are the real swahili learn your history

[mavinga]

you are half Arab and Bantu, but 100 percent ignorant. I know my history, and more importantly I know linguistics. So let me educated you, do we call English a half Latin/French half Germanic language, NO, though it has a lot of French and Latin words.

[mavinga]

English has more Latin, French, Greek words in the vocabulary (around 70 %), then Kiswahili has Arabic words (probably 30 percent), do we say English is half French half German. Why? Well Mr. half Arab half Bantu, language is about grammer, how words are arranged, verbs in the language, Kiswahili is 100 % Bantu language with 30 % of its noun from Arabic, I dont care how much Arab you are, don't spread these lies about Kiswahili being half Arab, is Iranian half Arab..Russian half Latin..

[BossGame]

Its funny you say that I have cuchitic blood on my mother side since my great Grandfather is from NW Africa, my family stills bear the name, My patriarchal Great Grandmother was told be Watusi or from Kenya, maybe being Oromo,becuz I don't know of any Tutsi's in Kenya. I have heard of a Tutsi Diaspora though. But all in all from a nationalistic perspective no, I am not Kenyan per se, I have heard that Kiswahili may also be Farsi or Persian derived, did Persians also occupy the Tanzanian coast.

[bandundu100]

We are talking about the language here it did not exist before the arabs dont give me percentage cause thats not the issue understand please put it in your head it is not a native African language yes it has alot of bantu in it but it was not there before the arrival of foreigners read your history

[mavinga]

My friend, maybe I am confused, if I am you must excuse me, I am sure you are proud to be of Bantu descent, the Bantu have a rich past, and East Africa will one day have a bright future..so excuse me for not getting it into my head..but I have learned the follow..

[mavinga]

I have learned that the language did exist before the Arabs, it was called Kingozi, and it was spoken by the Bantus of the E. African coast/islands, and they called themselves Washungwaya and that is were the Zanzibar island name of Unguja came from.

You might think I'm dumb, but I thought that if the grammar, verbs, and structure of swahili is 100% Bantu, and the vocabulary is majority Bantu that actually is not only part of the issue but that is the issue how can you say that it is not.

[mavinga]

Since the minority Arabs ruled the coast they changed the name of the language, and put into it a minority of Arab words, this is called LOANWORDS, words that were incorporated in the NATIVE language, thus Arabs DID NOT CREATE A NEW LANGUAGE, a African language took a small amount of Arabic words..

[mavinga]

If you took someone who spoke the language before the Arabs came they could easily have a conversation with a Swahili speaker today, or a Bantu from Central Tanzania using their NATIVE language they could have a basic conversation with Swahili speaker someone who speaks Arabic cannot do this with someone who speaks Kiswahili

You should be proud of the richness of your modern Bantu language, its a wonderful African Language with some Arabic, a little Persian, some English LOANWORDS

[fuckfreshmen]

@granitePillar just cuz they dont look like ur typical black person with flat nose, that doesnt mean theyre not black. my dad is congolese and he has straight nose, does that mean he's mix with arab? no. get educated.

[mavinga]

I don't blame you for your ignorance but I must correct you and let you know that there are millions upon millions of Africans who have "straight or small noses" and who are not mixed with Arab. All these concepts come racist Eurocentrist who believes that only "whites" or people mixed with whites can have the type of features you find in most white people

[BossGame]

First of all brotha, you should really reconsider a diaspora black as myself who's curiosity into African culture(in which he has long been separated from), not as "ignorance "but as unanswered insight into this subject matter

Now I have been taking a look at these videos because I am bit infatuated. I have heard that Africa is a diverse continent, but yes due to my brainwashing of European controlled media I was bit doubtful of that statement. So I've been wondering is it true or not

[kodonga]

My advice to you is to take a trip to Africa. Maybe that will make you change your views. You see, the Europeans always potrayed Africans in bad light for obvious reasons. For them the typical African is uglgy with very broad big nose, very big lips etc. We know this is far from the truth. It's just like potraying the white man or Arab with very big and pointed nose which some do have.

[BossGame]

Right, and even if you don't have straight nose doesn't necesarily mean your ugly as al ot of white people and Arabs do but are not what are considered attractive. For example they are many other features like big eyes, round lips, and just over all cuteness. Some say they are many Africans with mongoloid features chiny eyes, but i've only notice them in Pics of Xhosa and San people so I am very curious. I would really like to know how diverse as it is phenotypicaly as it is genetically.

[petitwood]

hell yeah dat's is my mum's band asha baraka love u mum

[mujersita1]

That type of music come from Republique Democratique of Congo( Zaire) We cannot say it come from Tanzanie. Its all good!!!

[pro818]

This is so Soukous

[kfs1976]

i wish that this guys come to germany..very nice

[bevulus]

i am from west, i love the language, it' sound sweet, pls can someone tell me what language they were singing in, swahilli or lingala? this is how bands should sound. very nice

[ilvendolo]

it Kiswahili

[kfs1976]

i like this too...

[b18k4705]

no its swahilli

[ottofan]

The name of my classmate is Shafi xD

[MbLaU84]

twanga pepeta kisima cha burudani....nimeipenda mwenyewe hata shinyanga nitaenda nayo na hata USA nimekuja nayo....love ths band.

[manboysoller]

siiii una pepeta!!

[manboysoller]

ja u pots dir ke es una pepeta

[KingBida]

Sebene utamu wake mauno, whether you dance or you watch u will enjoy... shekkingrotating and bam bam baunsing woooow

I love twanga

[kizito22]

Hizo buradani zina nikumbuha safari yangu ya Dar  na Kla...

[var1var1]

shafii sounds like a name of someone the singer is related to as a fried? or brother?

[emakma]

What going on here ??You guys from Tanzania can you explain ,what happen to Tanzanian music? Sound like Congolese to me .

[makumbele]

Here is a snipet mdwq Maisha ya milima kupanda kushuka Ukikosa leo usifikiri peke yako Hakuna wa kukusaidia... Life (is like) a hill you go up and down if today, you dont have (what you need) dont think you are alone there (might not be) anyone to help you -- yeah I know, it sounds rather hard knock...

[atekee222]

That song is about hard life you get it.

[mdwq]

I love the music but what are you singing about