Paul Krugman Canadian healthcare

[Redeye1524]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[MindLibrarian2391]

I bust on old glory

[trevor8930]

If americas actaully believe that most canadians would prefer the american system, they're pretty close minded, i can assure the vast majority of canadians are just fine with there system.

are system may not be perfect, but when im sick i worry about getting better, NOT paying for treatment

[islandmuffin]

Polls show Americans living in Canada prefer the US system.

[moneynest]

both healthcare systems suck but in different ways

[cubreporter99]

What happened afterwards, why is a bad system, according to them?

[vorbeigehende]

the full debate

watch?v=fQSRkF8jMB8

[joshhankins75]

Just so no dumb nut 18 year old liberal doesn't go around saying ...WE WANT FREE HEALTH CARE.......its not FREE!!!! You pay for it in taxes you dumb fucks. Americans actually pay for what THEY want...not what the government decides to take and spend on other people. If you like FREEDOM...and truly believe in it, than you must support it in all forms. Not just the ones you are comfortable with.

[gavrilo2007]

Gotta say. As a Canadian living in the US (dual citizen in fact) the American health care system sucks balls by far. The service is good, but the paperwork, the authorizations, the retro-authorizations, the deductibles, the insurance company's directives, the bills????? And after all that, it still doesn't manage to cover a quarter of the country? Lame on you!

[jimbo525SE]

@gavrilo2007 Agreed, but I don't think the solution is more health insurance. Thats where most of that damn paperwork comes from anyway. Less health insurance would make the quality go up. If health insurance was a true risk pool than most people would have catastrophic health care coverage and nothing else.

[gavrilo2007]

@jimbo525SE but that's the thing, Jimbo, the Canadian system has less health insurance, not more: it's a single system for everyone, not competing levels of coverage, where you have doctors, hospitals, insurers, employers, and patients competing for their respective interests. That's where the bureaucracy is. In all my years in Canada, I never once saw any medical paperwork AT ALL! Granted, Obamacare does nothing to solve this problem, i.e. his approach is not a solution to the bureaucracy.

[jimbo525SE]

@gavrilo2007 Its still in reality more insurance. When the government is paying the bill suddenly you don't care what your health care really costs.

[gavrilo2007]

@jimbo525SE Your reply is something of a non-sequitur. I don't know whether or not Canada has more insurance than the US, or how one would even measure that, but my point from the original post is the same: there is decidedly more bureaucracy in the current US health system than in Canada, and it is decidedly less efficient, and it doesn't even cover everyone. Ergo, there's no reason to assume MORE government necessarily translates into MORE bureaucracy or less efficiency. I've lived it, man.

[jimbo525SE]

@gavrilo2007 Okay fair enough, but what happens when everyone is covered for everything and no one cares what anything costs because they aren't paying for it. Well then everyone consumes more and the taxpayer now has to pay an arm and a leg before he even takes the paycheck home. (Not like it already isn't bad enough)

[Converge88]

@jimbo525SE

Yeah, because I love getting needless colonoscopies and blood tests! You have no point here. If what you claim is in fact true, then it logically follows that Canadian healthcare would be much more expensive than the US's because of rampant abuse. However, the opposite is true. And just for the record, Canadian tax rates are not THAT much higher than the US's.

[jimbo525SE]

@Converge88 Thats because so many patients view malpractice suits like winning the lottery. I agree with Obama that our health care system needs work, but I want to go towards conditions that would lead to more competition for price rather than less.

[TimeWarp66]

@Converge88

Your not including sales taxes, which we don't have in the United States. When you factor those in, Canadians pay far more in taxes than Americans.

[Converge88]

For those trying to prove a point with this video, I have three words:

Small. Sample. Size.

Canada's single payer might not be perfect, but I will take it any day of the week over the American "health care" industry clusterfuck.

[amirla84]

then go to canada

[Converge88]

I do currently live in Canada, thank you very much.

And the Health Care is SO much better, as my extended family can attest.

[amirla84]

what is so much better? give us an example.

[Converge88]

I would not be covered right now if I was in the US. I'm a student, my Dad lost his great job, and my mom has to work a job that does not provide any benefits (and would not supply health insurance), and I just went to the doctor and had a tonne of preventive tests done (in like a week).

Three of my family members have had cancer, one had chemo, one radiation, one surgery. All procedures were done promptly. I can go on.

It's anecdotal, but the stats back it up too. Cheaper and better outcomes.

[amirla84]

what stats? you are living in dreams buddy. wake up. there is no prompt service in canada.

you only get prompt service in the US,

[alex7171]

@Converge88

Cheaper? Yes.

Better outcomes? Not at all.

I agree if you want cheap, crappy health insurance, you should move to Canada.

[Converge88]

@alex7171

Yawn. You're just wrong. Almost all metrics point to Canada having slightly (but significantly) better results AND we pay a lot less for it. Jesus, look it up. Just the fact alone that 45,000 Americans die every year from not having insurance alone makes the Canadian system much better.

[TimeWarp66]

@Converge88

That 45,000 number is just plain garbage.

[Nefinne]

It shows in his face that Krugman was concerned to have his world rocked in this way. But will he investigate further, with an open mind? Will we see a change in his writing now? If not, he is a hopeless ideologue, I am afraid.

[mitchrix31]

the fact is that healthcare systems suck either way

[buzzardist]

Yeah, it was only seven people, so it was hardly a legitimate random sampling, but at the same time, of the seven there, it was unanimous that Canada's system isn't all roses and golden streets. Krugman and Democrats want us to believe that Canadians are universally happy with their single-payer system, which simply is not true. Large numbers in Canada criticize various aspects of the system.

Watching Krugman's self-assured smugness shot down is classic, though. lol

[Staticnz]

Well, he was proven wrong, but c'mon...it was SEVEN freakin' people.

[SenatorMark4]

This is just another example of people that live in ivory towers believing that they understand the world moving underneath them. Nope. it's always as if, when they get control of the money, THEN things will be just right. Too bad they don't actually know how to make and count the money. 1099 for All.

[jbabmom]

How he didn't know they would answer this way shows he bought into the "single payer is better". Also, public speaking 101 - never ask a question if you don't know the answer. Duh.

[melvid4]

Hah jackass if the rest of us dont want what the liberals want why is the house, senate, and the white house controlled by Dems, because they were voted by the majority jackass. SO shut the F?&* Up.

[iamdannywilde]

Socialized medicine does NOT work It doesnt work anywhere in the world in any form never has never will.

[semiliteratedgod]

@iamdannywilde

I know it's gonna surprise you, but every single developed, industrial country has it and it works.

Welcome to reality...

[joshhankins75]

Just like most things liberals want, the rest of us dont! They have to cram this shit down our throats.